International politics

[Jotenko]

New set of proposals by Greece. Seems like Syriza dropped a lot of demands. Internal governmental dispute by the ultra-leftists.

[Faliro]

The new deal is a lot worse than the one the people rejected last week.

[Jotenko]

The new deal is a lot worse than the one the people rejected last week.

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What was the fucking point of the referendum besides spending money?

[Faliro]

I think it is best not to think of Tsipras as a very smart man.

[Jotenko]

I think it is best not to think of Tsipras as a very smart man.

I have a russian colleague over here and he has no doubts that Putin is ready to give his shoulder to Athens.

Now, I think that Tsipras is well aware of this. This is more than an economical crysis, this is a geopolitical serious situation here.

I saw the referendum has a way to "stretch the cord" as far as possible, to put pressure on the credors, as the russian shadow was well present at the same time.

But, if Syriza is opening hand of its demands now, I can't really understand what was the point of all this.

[Faliro]

No point. Just not a very smart man.

I am quite well traveled. Some of the most naturally stupid people I have met anywhere have been Greek leftists. Everything is about victims, persecutors and rescuers. Classic Karpman drama triangle.

[Jotenko]

No point. Just not a very smart man.

I am quite well traveled. Some of the most naturally stupid people I have met anywhere have been Greek leftists. Everything is about victims, persecutors and rescuers. Classic Karpman drama triangle.

I see Tsipras becoming a moderated politician.

[Faliro]

No point. Just not a very smart man.

I am quite well traveled. Some of the most naturally stupid people I have met anywhere have been Greek leftists. Everything is about victims, persecutors and rescuers. Classic Karpman drama triangle.

I see Tsipras becoming a moderated politician.

Tsipras took 10 years to complete a 3 year degree. His professors said they never even saw him attend any lecture or class and didn't know who he was. He did actually attend university, but only for student sit-ins and protests.

He is a South American type of Trotskyist. That is why Fidel personally congratulated him on his referendum along with the other South American pseudo marxist states.

[OmarLittle]

I can't see Tsipras as a stupid individual, from what i've seen of him in public speeches the guy is very well articulated and has a coherent thinking.

That being said, i think Varoufakis is on a class of is own when it comes to the greek government, well, not anymore but you understand the point.

[Faliro]

I can't see Tsipras as a stupid individual, from what i've seen of him in public speeches the guy is very well articulated and has a coherent thinking.

What was the coherent thinking behind the referendum? The deal submitted by Tsipras now is far far worse than the deal on the table before the referendum.

If Greece had voted ND to stay in power there would be even less austerity than Syriza are hoping to agree.. who promised to end austerity.

What intelligence do you see in Tsipras?

[St_John Chrysostom]

I can't see Tsipras as a stupid individual, from what i've seen of him in public speeches the guy is very well articulated and has a coherent thinking.

What was the coherent thinking behind the referendum? The deal submitted by Tsipras now is far far worse than the deal on the table before the referendum.

If Greece had voted ND to stay in power there would be even less austerity than Syriza are hoping to agree.. who promised to end austerity.

What intelligence do you see in Tsipras?

Since you are Greek wasn't Greece having economic growth with ND just before elections ?

I'm asking you this because all the data from EU showed good economic growth for greece.

[Faliro]

Greece was very slowly pulling out of its problems under ND. They are a terrible party - full of weirdos, traitors and idiots - but they were getting packages from the lenders that are far more favorable to Greece than what Syriza is managing with threats and bluffs.

Greece will always stagnate until Greeks decide to elect genuine capitalists. Greece is still living off the glories of its economic miracle. Since then, successive leftist parties have trashed the country. ND, SYRIZA and PASOK have very little difference between them and politicians switch parties often between the 3 showing all the politicians care about is getting elected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_economic_miracle

[AG]

Just like Portugal before the Carnation Revolution, when the leftist militars of MFA nationalized the main sectors of the economy, which killed the big companies of Portugal and big business men have to ran off the country until Bloco Central 1983/85.

FAliro, have IMF interventioned Greece in 1970s or 1980s like in Portugal?

[Faliro]

From what I know, I don't think so. Only Japan was growing at a faster rate than Greece from the 1950s to 1970s. The problems came when the Junta collapsed.

Leftist liberals took over the country and in the 1980s they got to work. Their first mission was turning the state run universities (Greece does not have private universities) into South American Marxist campus hell holes.  Public sector jobs were created en masse. Next they took 344 professions - anything from truck drivers and taxis to pharmacists and lawyers and made them closed professions. This meant you could only do your job if you had a difficult to earn licence from the Government. This effectively killed off capitalism in Greece as licences were sold and traded mafia style between those who had bought them for high sums of money (still are) and all their prices offered to the consumers became fixed. I remember a friend of mine bought his taxi licence off another taxi driver for €70,000.

You can see that all this meant Greece had to borrow..



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[St_John Chrysostom]

Greece was very slowly pulling out of its problems under ND. They are a terrible party - full of weirdos, traitors and idiots - but they were getting packages from the lenders that are far more favorable to Greece than what Syriza is managing with threats and bluffs.

Greece will always stagnate until Greeks decide to elect genuine capitalists. Greece is still living off the glories of its economic miracle. Since then, successive leftist parties have trashed the country. ND, SYRIZA and PASOK have very little difference between them and politicians switch parties often between the 3 showing all the politicians care about is getting elected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_economic_miracle

So  GD is different of them or GD will aply the same recipe ?

I'm asking you this because when I look to greek parties I see no real alternative.