Europa League: Benfica - Juventus

[pcssousa]

One question for you: is Juventus really guilty?
Not judging, cause even if you were, you were punished for it and it seems like other teams were also involved and punished. And Milan was also punished many years ago.

If you're not guilty, who framed you, for what reasons?

The story is very complex.
In 2006, the then leadership ( Moggi, Giraudo and Bettega ) wanted to become the owners of juventus .
This was seen in a bad eye by the owners of Fiat.
It took a scandal to oust Moggi and partners.
Calciopoli was born .
Do you think that , in the process sporty , juventus 's lawyer said : " The series B with penalty points is a just punishment ."
O my God , the one who had to defend Juve had condemned before the courts ... this is madness.

There was talk of warnings targeted for players of the teams they faced the juventus the next round , but it was discovered ( after a long time and made ​​the process ) that many of those players were not even warned .
There was talk of referees rigged draw , but even here the ordinary court (contrary to what sport) has ruled that the draw was correct.
Moggi was accused of having locked a referee in the locker room , which was absolutely out of the ordinary court .
I still remember the prosecutor said, " Inter do not exist incriminating phone calls on referees " ... years later Inter was graced by the prescription of crimes and many phone calls have been found .
What I wrote is just the tip of the iceberg.
The scandal also involved other teams, but only the juventus was sent to B, while AC Milan ( director had a direct telephone contact with the referees )was downgraded by 8 points, just to play in the CL, then won.

Back here, we have phone calls recordings of Porto's chairman buying referees and directors all sort of things... They were not punished since they argued those recordings were illegal.

We have the proofs, anyone can listen to them on YouTube, but all they did to them was nothing.

Shitty country, isn't it?

[JUVENTINO]

I believe Greeks have many stories regarding Italians and Germans from the WW II days...

Many loves were born during the Second World War soldiers Italian and Greek women.
The worst memories, however, are linked to the Italians: Italian after the signing of the armistice with the Allies were considered traitors from germany and was made rough justice of many soldiers by the Germans.
Divisions whole exterminated by German fire in Greece.
I think the greek friend has heard of the "Acqui Division."

[pcssousa]

The Germans were exceptionally cruel to the Greek civilians and 300,000 Greeks starved to death in one year under the occupation. The germans also burned monasteries and massacred various villages..

The Italians were there for fun. They didn't believe in the war and when they tried to invade Greece just before the Germans, they were easily beaten by the Greeks. The Italians who took most the islands thanks to the germans..were shocked at how similar Greek culture was to their own.. wine, music, olive oil... no one was bothered by the Italians.. to give an example.. after the war.. any woman who had slept with a german soldier under the occupation was usually murdered in the town square and left to rot.. however I am sure many Greek girls slept with Italians and no one cared..

To be honest, I really dislike Germans. Only love their cars...

[Festivus]

The Germans were exceptionally cruel to the Greek civilians and 300,000 Greeks starved to death in one year under the occupation. The germans also burned monasteries and massacred various villages..

The Italians were there for fun. They didn't believe in the war and when they tried to invade Greece just before the Germans, they were easily beaten by the Greeks. The Italians who took most the islands thanks to the germans..were shocked at how similar Greek culture was to their own.. wine, music, olive oil... no one was bothered by the Italians.. to give an example.. after the war.. any woman who had slept with a german soldier under the occupation was usually murdered in the town square and left to rot.. however I am sure many Greek girls slept with Italians and no one cared..

To be honest, I really dislike Germans. Only love their cars...

Don't really care for Germans as a people. I like their country, their culture and their products, though.

People I dislike... Brazilians, perhaps. Some Americans can be quite douchey as well.

[pcssousa]

I believe Greeks have many stories regarding Italians and Germans from the WW II days...

Many loves were born during the Second World War soldiers Italian and Greek women.
The worst memories, however, are linked to the Italians: Italian after the signing of the armistice with the Allies were considered traitors from germany and was made rough justice of many soldiers by the Germans.
Divisions whole exterminated by German fire in Greece.
I think the greek friend has heard of the "Acqui Division."

As Faliro said, Italians are and were completely different from Germans.

[Jotenko]

I don't like America overall. Nothing against the people. They don't have much history... it's like they don't have much substance afterall. I love being european in so many levels.

[pcssousa]

The Germans were exceptionally cruel to the Greek civilians and 300,000 Greeks starved to death in one year under the occupation. The germans also burned monasteries and massacred various villages..

The Italians were there for fun. They didn't believe in the war and when they tried to invade Greece just before the Germans, they were easily beaten by the Greeks. The Italians who took most the islands thanks to the germans..were shocked at how similar Greek culture was to their own.. wine, music, olive oil... no one was bothered by the Italians.. to give an example.. after the war.. any woman who had slept with a german soldier under the occupation was usually murdered in the town square and left to rot.. however I am sure many Greek girls slept with Italians and no one cared..

To be honest, I really dislike Germans. Only love their cars...

Don't really care for Germans as a people. I like their country, their culture and their products, though.

People I dislike... Brazilians, perhaps. Some Americans can be quite douchey as well.

Yeah, they also have nice sausages, but I prefer our own beer.
Met some German who also prefer ours to theirs.

[Jotenko]

The Germans were exceptionally cruel to the Greek civilians and 300,000 Greeks starved to death in one year under the occupation. The germans also burned monasteries and massacred various villages..

The Italians were there for fun. They didn't believe in the war and when they tried to invade Greece just before the Germans, they were easily beaten by the Greeks. The Italians who took most the islands thanks to the germans..were shocked at how similar Greek culture was to their own.. wine, music, olive oil... no one was bothered by the Italians.. to give an example.. after the war.. any woman who had slept with a german soldier under the occupation was usually murdered in the town square and left to rot.. however I am sure many Greek girls slept with Italians and no one cared..

To be honest, I really dislike Germans. Only love their cars...

Don't really care for Germans as a people. I like their country, their culture and their products, though.

People I dislike... Brazilians, perhaps. Some Americans can be quite douchey as well.

Yeah, they also have nice sausages, but I prefer our own beer.
Met some German who also prefer ours to theirs.

When I am masturbating, I like to spit in my genitals. That way I'm lubricating myself.

[Festivus]

The Germans were exceptionally cruel to the Greek civilians and 300,000 Greeks starved to death in one year under the occupation. The germans also burned monasteries and massacred various villages..

The Italians were there for fun. They didn't believe in the war and when they tried to invade Greece just before the Germans, they were easily beaten by the Greeks. The Italians who took most the islands thanks to the germans..were shocked at how similar Greek culture was to their own.. wine, music, olive oil... no one was bothered by the Italians.. to give an example.. after the war.. any woman who had slept with a german soldier under the occupation was usually murdered in the town square and left to rot.. however I am sure many Greek girls slept with Italians and no one cared..

To be honest, I really dislike Germans. Only love their cars...

Don't really care for Germans as a people. I like their country, their culture and their products, though.

People I dislike... Brazilians, perhaps. Some Americans can be quite douchey as well.

Yeah, they also have nice sausages, but I prefer our own beer.
Met some German who also prefer ours to theirs.

Erdinger is pretty good stuff. But Germany does not have the best beer in the world. That award belongs to Belgium. There's literally hundreds of Belgian beers.

[Faliro]

I believe Greeks have many stories regarding Italians and Germans from the WW II days...

Many loves were born during the Second World War soldiers Italian and Greek women.
The worst memories, however, are linked to the Italians: Italian after the signing of the armistice with the Allies were considered traitors from germany and was made rough justice of many soldiers by the Germans.
Divisions whole exterminated by German fire in Greece.
I think the greek friend has heard of the "Acqui Division."

The Greeks tried to save many of the Italians.. what happened to the Italians was disgusting.. when I was a boy I would see in many island ports, plaques on the floor.. something like 'from this spot left 200 Italian soldiers who never returned to Italy.' These plaques were everywhere.. Of course the Germans went out there way to massacre as many Italians as they could. It does bring a tear to my eye, the Italians did not deserve this..

[Jotenko]

Oh for fuck sake

[Festivus]

I don't like America overall. Nothing against the people. They don't have much history... it's like they don't have much substance afterall. I love being european in so many levels.

It's kind of a plastic country, yes.

[Fever]

Just the thought of disliking an entire population is stupid.

If I looked at things that way I'm pretty sure I would really dislike the portuguese... though everyone I like is portuguese.

Sorry to be rude and off-topic but I can never get my head around this discussion about which group of completely different people is better based on where they were born.

[Festivus]

Just the thought of disliking an entire population is stupid.

If I looked at things that way I'm pretty sure I would really dislike the portuguese... though everyone I like is portuguese.

Sorry to be rude and off-topic but I can never get my head around this discussion about which group of completely different people is better based on where they were born.

I'm not racist. I hate everyone equally.

[Fever]

Things went down before that for Serie A.

All of the 00s were already dominated by the marketing machine of the Premier League.

ok, but in 2003 In the Munchester champion's leage final there was Juventus and Milan, not Liverpool and Munchester utd ... and if we remeber correctly tahe semifinal match was Juventus-real madrid and Inter-Milan.
No english teams in semifinal.

Definitely. On the pitch italian clubs were clearly the most feared in the early 00s.

But the popularity of the league as a whole was free falling because of the marketing power and the potential of the Premier League.

I think Serie A has the potential to become bigger than La Liga globally honestly. You have incredible passion and 10 or more historic european clubs. Plus, "everyone" hates each other.
You just have to sell your league better. Hosting an international competition would definitely help.