Hellas futebol

[Faliro]

Sá Pinto, Atrominos coach, said that the greek player has the cult of just playing hardly during the matches, but still they lack the same commitment when during the training sessions, that's what the main failure from the Hellas futebol...

^^ Fascinating. Do you have link to the article?

Sa Pinto has a unique insight.

[nqsbenfica]

Sá Pinto, Atrominos coach, said that the greek player has the cult of just playing hardly during the matches, but still they lack the same commitment when during the training sessions, that's what the main failure from the Hellas futebol...

^^ Fascinating. Do you have link to the article?

Sa Pinto has a unique insight.

http://www.record.xl.pt/Entrevistas/interior.aspx?content_id=923004

[Faliro]

Looks like the AEK stadium will be blocked.

AEK needed the municipality to give a small bit of land (next to the stadium plot) with about 54 trees on it. In compensation for this small bit of land AEK promised to plant 500 trees elsewhere in the park.

Syriza has refused this deal.

Here are the trees in question:

[T1n0_SLB]

completely nonsense

[HJDK]

Looks like the AEK stadium will be blocked.

AEK needed the municipality to give a small bit of land (next to the stadium plot) with about 54 trees on it. In compensation for this small bit of land AEK promised to plant 500 trees elsewhere in the park.

Syriza has refused this deal.

wtf

[Faliro]

Ninis finally got his blue card and started the cup game for PAO.

He promptly ran past 3 players and scored a good goal (1 min 5 seconds):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZAs6ARllug

[Faliro]

Hugo Almeida says he has no problem playing for AEK, but is unaware of the rumour.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=el&tl=pt&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sport24.gr%2Ffootball%2Fomades%2FAek%2Fougko-almeida-thelw-na-paiksw-sthn-aek.3238520.html&sandbox=1

[Faliro]

Asteras 3
PAOK 0

And it is only half time! 

Gianniotas with 2 goals. Said it for years, one of the biggest talents in Greece. Super player.

[Faliro]

Asteras 3
PAOK 0

Huge trashing. Cut them open easily. Should have been 5. Gianniotas once again superb, Asteras has too many south Americans for PAOK to cope with. This is the 11 they started with:

Tomas Kosicky 
Khalifa Sankare
Anastasios Tsokanis 
Brian Lluy 
Dorin Goian
Juan Manuel Munafo
Giorgios Zisopoulos 
Giannis Gianniotas
Pablo Mazza  Facundo
Jeronimo Barrales 
Martin Rolle

Highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiVNoUG8EQo

[H]

Ninis finally got his blue card and started the cup game for PAO.

He promptly ran past 3 players and scored a good goal (1 min 5 seconds):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZAs6ARllug

I don't know why, but I always liked Ninis quite a lot. Maybe it's because I had him in Benfica in FM 2010 and he was quite a beast. But I rememeber him scoring several super goals, one particularly on Champions League, can't remember against who.

Even though he's on PAO now, if you had the chance previously, would you oppose to have him in Olympiakos Squad?

[Faliro]

Ninis finally got his blue card and started the cup game for PAO.

He promptly ran past 3 players and scored a good goal (1 min 5 seconds):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZAs6ARllug

I don't know why, but I always liked Ninis quite a lot. Maybe it's because I had him in Benfica in FM 2010 and he was quite a beast. But I rememeber him scoring several super goals, one particularly on Champions League, can't remember against who.

Even though he's on PAO now, if you had the chance previously, would you oppose to have him in Olympiakos Squad?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEm5x53u-So
Some super goals in here.. ^^

He is a huge talent. He took apart Roma single handedly at 20 years old (around 30 secs on the video, also assisted the other two goals that game)

The problem with him and indeed Fefatzidis is that Greeks hate them. I mean actually hate them. Since they first came on the scene - they were described as 'arrogant' and not appreciative. Fetfatzidis would score a winning a goal and the fans would say he should have passed instead.. When Fetfazidis scored the winning goal in a Greece qualifier, all Santos could comment was 'he still has much learn to be effective..'

Ninis would score the winning goal and the fans would say he was lazy besides the winning goal. It is unprecedented. I would say around 70% of Greeks dislike them both. No Olympiakos fan probably besides myself would want Ninis, even the PAO fans have been attacking him since he re-signed and he is yet to play a game! They have been bitching about saying he will have a short leash - the moment he lazy - goodbye. This goal he scored this week in the cup was his first game for PAO since he left all those years ago and the headlines were, 'good goal, but he did nothing second half..' 

I find neither Fetfatzidis, Ninis or Gianniotas lazy. In fact I find them hyperactive and all 3 incredible talents who can dribble past defenders easily and score amazing goals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg3ieogjnds

[Baron_Davis]

Vitó Pereira arrived in Greece and Paok lost 3-0

the Pimp's effect 

[Faliro]

PAOK are a very shitty team, like H stated in the other thread, PAOK like Guimarães, started the league with a hard on full on piss, but now they have been to the toilet they are losing 4-2 to Xanthi, 0-3 to Asteras etc...

[H]

Yes, it was exactly that goal against Roma that I had seen on the Champions League, thrashed the Romans pretty good!

What I get from your post Faliro, correct me if I am wrong, is that Greek people don't like... flamboyant players? Or at least, flamboyant Greek players?

While reading your post, I was reminded of what people kept said about out player Gaitán, that he could solve a tough game in a few minutes, but could spend the next three games sleeping or acting "lazy". Now he's one of key pieces in the squad (captain yesterday) and generally regarded as probably the best midfielder playing in Portugal.

I think it's part of the genius players or on the very least the technically gifted players. They can wrap up the game in a few minutes and appear disinterested on the rest of it, but only aliens like Messi or Ronaldo can consecutevely solve games with their skill, one after another.

[Faliro]

Yes, it was exactly that goal against Roma that I had seen on the Champions League, thrashed the Romans pretty good!

What I get from your post Faliro, correct me if I am wrong, is that Greek people don't like... flamboyant players? Or at least, flamboyant Greek players?

While reading your post, I was reminded of what people kept said about out player Gaitán, that he could solve a tough game in a few minutes, but could spend the next three games sleeping or acting "lazy". Now he's one of key pieces in the squad (captain yesterday) and generally regarded as probably the best midfielder playing in Portugal.

I think it's part of the genius players or on the very least the technically gifted players. They can wrap up the game in a few minutes and appear disinterested on the rest of it, but only aliens like Messi or Ronaldo can consecutevely solve games with their skill, one after another.

Superb post. As for first part: Greek people don't like... flamboyant players? Or at least, flamboyant Greek players?

I am afraid that is case. Greeks are a lot more comfortable celebrating their defenders than attacking players. The appalling treatment Vassileos Tsiartas received - for me the most talented player to ever emerge from Greece, is testament to that.  Even weirder, Kyriakos Papadopoulos - a super player - the further up the pitch he plays in Germany, the more Greeks question his ability, even though he is a born DM and has huge ability with both feet and scores often. Greeks seem to think talented attacking players belong exclusively to South American and Spain and that Greeks should not attempt to encroach onto their territory. Greeks are slightly softer in their criticism to Greek power strikers - Mitroglou, Xaristeas, Alexandris etc. Another thing that irritates many Greeks about Gianniotas, Ninis, Fetfatzidis is their height, around 5'5.  You often hear in Greece, 'these players are not strong enough, they need to go to the gym...' 

As for the 'lazy' label. I am begining to think that perhaps, the more sensitive fans apply that label to players they don't think are strong enough or determined enough. Greece does produce lazy players, Samaras is the definition of a lazy player. However, Ninis and Fetfatzidis run like mad. The lazy label appears to be from very sensitive fans who perhaps do not understand the game to well. For example, if the game is 0-0 and Ninis has close to 100% pass completion and a few tackles and then scores the winning goal, he is man of the match for me. However, many Greeks including Greek journalists, will give the game to someone like Maniatis. I was always fascinated how each goal Fetfatzidis in particular scored was seen by many as 'arrogance.'  Rather than the wining the goal. When Fetfazidis would assist the winning goal, he was usually not mentioned at all. 

This nasty habit will probably not change for many years. What was funny is that when Tsiartas went to Sevilla, many AEK fans said he should be grateful he is being given  the option to go to Spain?? 

Ninis, Gianniotas and Fetfa all make chances during a game. As you said, they are not 10% near the level of someone like Messi, but they will usually create something easy to score with for themselves or someone else.