Since I have been here, I have found the Benfica fans on this site have an incredible knowledge of world football outside Portugal. We can also use this thread to discuss anything you want relating to Greece.
So I want to use this thread to ask questions to tap that knowledge.
For example, Greece now is looking for a new NT coach.
Koeman said he refused the job this week because he was not first choice. :blah: I am sad about this, I think he would have been good.
Now apparently.... Camacho is first choice... I see he was briefly at Benfica..
Another name strangely mentioned around the place is Bielsa.
What is your opinion on these coaches?
Actually Koeman was also at Benfica. Great Champions League campaign. I like him but most fans don't.
Camacho was here twice, two different stints. Benfica fans love him. He put Benfica back on track after some terrible years. Won the Portuguese Cup against Mourinho.
The second stint was awful though. He came to try to save a season and was sacked before the end of it.
He's not a great coach tactically. He's all about discipline, organization and motivation. Very similar to Scolari. Might work in a national team.
Bielsa is a football genius. He can't be compared with the other two. He's the anti-Renhagel lol, he would make Greece one of Europe's most attractive teams. Or at least he would try. ;D
It seems Bielsa is one Greece should go for.
All Koeman wants is wine, whores and money...
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Março de 2014, 11:35
It seems Bielsa is one Greece should go for.
He's completely attacking-minded. Do you remember Athletic Biblao a couple of years ago? I'm not sure, with the amount of talent in your national pool that you have right now, if that would be a good bet.
And this is the point. We have been playing the same way for 10 years now. Defence and deconstruction of football. Horrible to watch.
What players do we have that can change this style for Bielsa. Not so many and the ones we do have are not regulars at their clubs. Defence we have lots of options, but looking forward from defence? Extremely limited.
Mids:
Katsouranis - PAOK ~ Finished.
Tziolis - Somewhere in Turkey. Useless.
Tachtsidis - Torino ~ Very slow but an upgrade to Tziolis.
Samaris - Olympiakos ~ I really rate him.
Katidis - Novara ~ Banned from the national team for a pseudo nazi salute. When he was at AEK he looked like he could really be something. His under 21 games were hugely impressive.
Attackers:
Lazaros - Bologna ~ Seems a low IQ player.
Kone - Bologna ~ Aggressive Greek Albanian player. Not been impressed.
Fetfatzidis - Genoa ~ Brilliant player imo.
Mitroglou - Fulham ~ Slow but a good target man.
Samaras - Celtic ~ Can't stand him. Terrible.
Ninis - PAOK ~ I like this player, but hated by most Greeks.
Salpigidis - PAOK ~ Don't know how much longer we can use him.
Athanasiadis - PAOK ~ You saw for yourselves..nothing special.
Vlachodimos - Olympiakos ~ Good player.
We are playing in a friendly this year with Portugal (May 31st) so you will see first hand how limited we are.
PS good luck vs Tottenham. Hate this club. Was happy you thrashed them at home. :bandeiraslb2: :bandeiraslb2: :bandeiraslb2: Knock them out! :estrelas:
Citação de: Shoky em 20 de Março de 2014, 12:55
All Koeman wants is wine, whores and money...
Barcelona/Russia must he his paradise. :smokin:
Faliro how u guys sold Fesja to play with Paulo Mustache Machado? :rir:
Why do they call you gays?
Fesja was hugely rated in Greece until he seemed to get injured 24/7. When he was fit he looked average. Maybe Olympiakos thought we were selling a broken player. Perhaps your staff/infrastructure is superior to Olympiakos's and you have managed to bring the player back to life.
Secondly - I truly believe Samaris is superior to Fesja. Maniatis is an inferior player and Machado - I do not rate at all playing centre mid. I think he would be more suited to playing in front of a midfield where Chori plays. However he is not as good as Chori. Ndinga imo is good enough.
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Março de 2014, 14:48
Fesja was hugely rated in Greece until he seemed to get injured 24/7. When he was fit he looked average. Maybe Olympiakos thought we were selling a broken player. Perhaps your staff/infrastructure is superior to Olympiakos's and you have managed to bring the player back to life.
Secondly - I truly believe Samaris is superior to Fesja. Maniatis is an inferior player and Machado - I do not rate at all playing centre mid. I think he would be more suited to playing in front of a midfield where Chori plays. However he is not as good as Chori. Ndinga imo is good enough.
O0 thanks. one more question. Have u guys already bought roberto? :estrelas:
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 20 de Março de 2014, 14:43
Why do they call you gays?
They = PAO, PAOK and AEK.
Olympiakos fans are called Gavros. Gavros are the small fish you see swimming around harbours that we like to eat in Greece. We were either called this because they are associated with the port at Piraeus - or because there seems there are simply so many olympiakos fans (ie as many as fish in the sea). Here is a plate of Gavros:
(http://dionisiou-realestate.com/userfiles/images/gavros-20091.jpg)
Now in Greek the word is ΓΑΥΡΟΣ (literally GAYROS) because AY is a diphthong which creates the 'AV' sound in Greek. I really don't understand why they can't just use Β (β) but anyway.. Greek is an old language with many strange habits. So all Olympiakos enemies calls us the gays.. or gavros..
Here is a big website with our name:
http://www.gavros.gr/
Citação de: iKatz em 20 de Março de 2014, 14:51
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Março de 2014, 14:48
Fesja was hugely rated in Greece until he seemed to get injured 24/7. When he was fit he looked average. Maybe Olympiakos thought we were selling a broken player. Perhaps your staff/infrastructure is superior to Olympiakos's and you have managed to bring the player back to life.
Secondly - I truly believe Samaris is superior to Fesja. Maniatis is an inferior player and Machado - I do not rate at all playing centre mid. I think he would be more suited to playing in front of a midfield where Chori plays. However he is not as good as Chori. Ndinga imo is good enough.
O0 thanks. one more question. Have u guys already bought roberto? :estrelas:
Yes, him and his wife are most welcome in piraeus.
The 3 names you go there, no doubt that the best of all would be a man like Camacho. And why? Because embodies perfectly what is the strength of your football strength and determination!
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Março de 2014, 14:59
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 20 de Março de 2014, 14:43
Why do they call you gays?
They = PAO, PAOK and AEK.
Olympiakos fans are called Gavros. Gavros are the small fish you see swimming around harbours that we like to eat in Greece. We were either called this because they are associated with the port at Piraeus - or because there seems there are simply so many olympiakos fans (ie as many as fish in the sea). Here is a plate of Gavros:
(http://dionisiou-realestate.com/userfiles/images/gavros-20091.jpg)
Now in Greek the word is ΓΑΥΡΟΣ (literally GAYROS) because AY is a diphthong which creates the 'AV' sound in Greek. I really don't understand why they can't just use Β (β) but anyway.. Greek is an old language with many strange habits. So all Olympiakos enemies calls us the gays.. or gavros..
Here is a big website with our name:
http://www.gavros.gr/
I've seen them calling you that and some Olympiacos fans with nicknames GavrosXXXXX, bu ive never associate those two words.
Thank you.
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Março de 2014, 14:48
Fesja was hugely rated in Greece until he seemed to get injured 24/7. When he was fit he looked average. Maybe Olympiakos thought we were selling a broken player. Perhaps your staff/infrastructure is superior to Olympiakos's and you have managed to bring the player back to life.
Secondly - I truly believe Samaris is superior to Fesja. Maniatis is an inferior player and Machado - I do not rate at all playing centre mid. I think he would be more suited to playing in front of a midfield where Chori plays. However he is not as good as Chori. Ndinga imo is good enough.
Well, when a coach doesnt see the players full potencial and benches him without any worth reason (Jardim) i guess its quite understandable when the board thinks that a player is useless because they hardly got to see anything from him
Thats what happened with Fejsa (sadly for you guys), then we came along, bought him and when the time came, put him on action to prove everyone otherwise
Still, i guess sometimes you have to make decisions, it came out wrong, oh well, life goes on
I was not keen on Jardim.
Olympiakos have destroyed many players this way. Better players than even Fesja was at the time. Young players who are outscoring - out assisting the senior players and yet get dropped to the bench for months just to see 5 minutes at the end of a cup game.
The best examples were Fetfatzidis (Genoa) and Kyriakos Papadopoulos (Schalke).
He was the youngest ever player to play in the Greek league at 15 years old. Papadopoulos showed from 17-18 - he was as good as our regular old first team CBs. He had a speacial type of talent I have not seen before at such a young age. Espanyol tried to sign him, but olympiakos convinced his father to let him stay at Oly. He realised it himself at a young age of his superior skill and asked for more playing time. He got the usual Greek response..'patience.' When he left to Schalke, many Olympiakos fans said - he is arrogant and shit. I stated he was a superior player and we fucked up big time.
He left being a player that would be lucky to get minutes in cup games in Greece. Schalke - the same year they signed him - had him as a starter in their midfield for Champions League's games.. Magath could not believe he was still only 18... :estrelas:
So the saying goes - 'Greeks eat their own children.'
Yeah thats true, but sometimes you have to understand that certain players do not have routines to play in a certain style and sometimes take more then usual time to adapt to his position, ill give you the example of Matic and Fejsa, two players that in a way were unacostumed to the way of playing in that particular position took some time to perfect it, Matic took one year even, and Fejsa took some months having a unfortunate injury in the midle of the season, but as time passed they learned how to play and to become better players, so i guess the greeks are not so wrong about patience in this particular subject, what good can bring keeping a player that may even succed in other clubs if he doesnt want to on your own?
About Jardim? Well, the guy is an pain on the arse, he took a lesson of football when he was defeated here in Estadio da Luz with Sporting, you did well of getting rid of him
Oh yea, jardim was disliked by the end.. fans booing him etc..
As for building players.. I am a very strong believer in exposing players to minutes on the pitch so that they can improve and adapt. We have had many players who showed glimpses of great talent, but they were not given any games - not even cup games.. so they stalled.
This is why in another thread I stated it is so important that Greece implements its B teams system from next year. So many good players are being wasted in Greece - the type of players who would be nurtured in Spain.
You got a point ill give you for that, i can say the same thing about some portuguese players that could be so much more if there was anyone willing to give them a shot
Some players from our B team would have been a great adiction to our team especialy last year when we lacked some solutions for the atack, those kind of things happen here in Portugal aswell, a lot actually
Nelson Oliveira for example wasnt very well succeded yeat, why?
Because the club is hesitant on giving him minutes that he wants because he has Cardozo and Rodrigo in a better shape, still he insisted on being loaned out two times and he still fails to susceed, why?
Because hes reckless, impatient, and lacks conviction on to his club, but Benfica is no free from responsability, because as his origin club, the one he grew in, should insist on him staying and force him to explain him that his time would eventualy come
So yeah, sometimes its the players fault, other times is the clubs, in this case its both of them...
In Greece, there is fanatical support and that irritates me. For example, if a player is overlooked by a coach like Jardim.. many olympiakos fans will assume Jardim is correct simply because he knows best and the fans are not qualified football coaches to make opinions.. Also most the media gives coaches free rides, its the players that usually get attacked.
Olympiakos used to give time to old crap burnt-out players rather than hungry and fast youth. We became famous for it.
If you look at Panathinaikos this year. They started from scratch. Put all their youth players in the team from the beginning. They lost lots and lots of games - were foten humiliated this season. However by the time they played us, they beat us 0-3 with these young guys who had been battle hardened. They have just built a young crop of players from nothing. AEK used to do the same. Only now at olympiakos are we trying to embrace younger players like Manolas (who is not even an Olympiakos product).
Yeah thats harsh, here in Portugal people are a litle bit more rational and despite some hipocrisy there is more tendence to evaluate a coach for what he is rather for what people want him to be
That depends much of each culture i guess
Ah and yeah,Manolas seems a really good player, i think he would do great here at Benfica even for a long-tearm replacement for Garay
I think I was asked when I first joined who the best player was in our team and I said Manolas. He has had a tough time at olympiakos - nothing to do with his skill or ability which is exceptional, simply where he came from.
He is the nephew of the famous AEK legend Stelios Manolas. When he was picked up by AEK, they encouraged him from a young age for greater things. Gave him start after start and he just grew. The problem began when AEK needed to sell him due to having no money. They had got him to sign a 3 year deal before hand and he stated to the press:
"I am extremely happy that I am going to continue playing for the team of my heart and it is an honour to wear the AEK Jersey for the next three years with my childhood club. I applaud AEK president Stavros Adamidis who believes in me and declined great offers from European teams to keep me at the club despite the huge economical problems the club is suffering. My dream now is to become the team's captain and win the league just like my uncle Stelios Manolas, who achieved this when he joined AEK.
So when he signed for Olympiakos he became a persona non grata for AEK fans and Olympiakos fans a like. Stupid really. Will be amazed if he leaves Olympiakos for less than €10 million.
As for your fans in portugal, you seem the very cultured.
Yeah changing to a rival team is always controvercial, no mather who is from.
I can give you a similar case to yours here in Portugal that happened in the 80s when Rui Águas who was the son of José Águas (still today considered a legend, you can see a famious photo were he holds our first Champions League cup) left Benfica for free to sign for Porto, it was quite controvercial over here, and even his own father who loved him more then anyone stoped talking to him because of his decision.
Two years after playing with Porto shirt he returned, but some fans from Benfica do not forgive him for what he did before still today
We are well cultured, but our problem is that people here do not have a standard opinion in here, because sometimes i feel like people change opinion and prespectives with no plausible reason, it happens most of times with our coach.
When we win, you can see many people come here and say that he is the best coach in the world, blahblahblah and all kinds of things to make him look like a god, when he has a bad match or looses, he is the worst.
This is the kind of hipocrisy that i do not understand in our own supporters, its not even a forum problem, but its from his own fans
In my prespective the man is a decent coach, has some good points and some bad, he is far from a Mourinho or Guardiola, and its not because we are ahead in the table i consider him the best, and i guarantee you that it wont be because of loosing the title he will be the worst.
In my honest opinion i believe his time is in a way done, and i do not have a short memory because i know he did a lot for the club and revotionalized our style of play, but the humiliations we suffered because of him were a lot too, so i would like to have a new president who is also a suporter of our club (ours is not), good structure, and a good young man to lead us into a new future witch i dont see it bright and shinning even if we win everything this year.
From everything you are saying, Portugal seems like a more sanitised and controlled version of Greece. My father actually had a business in portugal when he was young but left during the revolution quite bitter. Said bizarre things like 'all the portugese do is cry to fado music and get depressed.' :estrelas: I have no idea what happened to him down there, he rarely talked about it.
About players switching teams. If it is among the big 3 Athenian clubs, usually it ends with some sort of violence, fans throwing stiff etc.
Speaking of which Panathinaikos beat us 0-3 at home last month. their coach got a free drink...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWrXwBjOXAE
You are right yeah
About fado, i dont think people from our generation even hear about it, i personaly like other tipes of music more
Switching teams here causes lots of fury, but its more with Porto
When C.Rodriguez left us for Porto the guy was really contestated when he returned to Luz to play against us, lots of boohhing and insults to him by the whole stadium
He eventualy got along with that poor start with porto and made a decent first season, fortunate for us, he got karma coming to him when he got injured on his second season and after that well...He was destroyed and merely came from the bench to play, when he was realised no one even gave him a goodbye as it was even before his contract expiral
Don't mind Trap. Even youngsters listen to fado.
The average level of greek football is way too low. That doesn't mean that even now and then, Olympiakos can't make a good european performance...but when you see low class portuguese players being bought by PAO, AEK, PAOK and Olympiakos (now less than a couple of years ago), the four biggest and most representative clubs of greek football, you know that something is missing there.
Regarding greek players, it seems to be missing some top quality on atacking players. I can't point 10 attacking greek players, that would be undisputed choices in Benfica or Porto. That quality ended over at least, 6/7 years ago, when that great generation with Tsartas, Karagounis, Giannakoupolos crossed their 30's. I think that Rehaggel was important in giving you a thing that not even in 1000 years you'll be winning again, but his poor atacking football legacy (continued by Santos) will have repercussions for a period of time way too long. But hey...in the end you'll still have a European Championship on you CV.
Agree completely, will be amazed if we ever produce another Tsartas.
The league is a joke really. The only hope is Larissa and AEK return.. and of course Aris who are about to get relegated.. :victory:
Citação de: pcssousa em 22 de Março de 2014, 12:39
Don't mind Trap. Even youngsters listen to fado.
I only used to listen one music, nothing much ;D
Citação de: Trapattoni em 23 de Março de 2014, 00:08
Citação de: pcssousa em 22 de Março de 2014, 12:39
Don't mind Trap. Even youngsters listen to fado.
I only used to listen one music, nothing much ;D
You don't listen to "Ser Benfiquista" anymore?
Citação de: Trapattoni em 23 de Março de 2014, 00:08
Citação de: pcssousa em 22 de Março de 2014, 12:39
Don't mind Trap. Even youngsters listen to fado.
I only used to listen one music, nothing much ;D
You disappoint me, mr. Trap.
Citação de: Trapattoni em 23 de Março de 2014, 00:08
Citação de: pcssousa em 22 de Março de 2014, 12:39
Don't mind Trap. Even youngsters listen to fado.
I only used to listen one music, nothing much ;D
I consider Carlos do Carmo to be The Voice.
I love him since I was 17 or 18.
Ok, I prefer Fado de Coimbra rather than the conventional Fado de Lisboa. Always have, but one day I became student in Coimbra and that preference became stronger.
Actually, my favorite style of music is much more alternative and heavy.
Citação de: pcssousa em 24 de Março de 2014, 18:05
Citação de: Trapattoni em 23 de Março de 2014, 00:08
Citação de: pcssousa em 22 de Março de 2014, 12:39
Don't mind Trap. Even youngsters listen to fado.
I only used to listen one music, nothing much ;D
I consider Carlos do Carmo to be The Voice.
I love him since I was 17 or 18.
Ok, I prefer Fado de Coimbra rather than the conventional Fado de Lisboa. Always have, but one day I became student in Coimbra and that preference became stronger.
Actually, my favorite style of music is much more alternative and heavy.
Meanwhile me, well...I only listened to Marisa
In my case i dont have lots of musical types so i dont stick just to one because i like music of all kinds, some more others less
I know this is gonna sound a litle bit strange but when i was like 10 to 12 years old i loved listening to old classic music like U2,Michael Jackson, Paul Maccartney, Queen or Beetles because my unkle lived here at my house and he had lots of those CDs, sometimes i would pass great amount of days just listening to it, but when time passed i started to listen to diferent kinds of music and lost interest on those
Well, since you're talking about music, I have to say my favorite band, by far, is from Athens.
Athens, GA, not Athens Greece. R.E.M.
:D
Citação de: pcssousa em 24 de Março de 2014, 23:01
Well, since you're talking about music, I have to say my favorite band, by far, is from Athens.
Athens, GA, not Athens Greece. R.E.M.
:D
I enjoy a couple of Greek bands: Rotting Christ and Septic Flesh. Good extreme metal.
Good Greek music is Rebetiko and Laiko.
Citação de: Festivus em 25 de Março de 2014, 00:21
Citação de: pcssousa em 24 de Março de 2014, 23:01
Well, since you're talking about music, I have to say my favorite band, by far, is from Athens.
Athens, GA, not Athens Greece. R.E.M.
:D
I enjoy a couple of Greek bands: Rotting Christ and Septic Flesh. Good extreme metal.
I know this may sound strange, but most Greeks I know adore thrash metal/ extreme metal.. I have no explanation as to why. Greeks are simply infatuated with metal. :crazy2:
There was a survey a few years back that showed that more Greeks watch MTV per head than any other eu nation. Now I don't think anyone there cares about MTV, but they love music of all cultures especially Brazil/
Interestingly, a former president of Greece, Andreas Papandreou, comes to mind. He married his mistress - who was an airline hostess and in the end, she was running the country as his health faded. I heard from a few people, he would spend hours listening to fado in his office.. ::)
Myself I don't listen to Greek music much as it has too much emotion invested in it and I find it quite heavy. I listen to most music - rock- pop - classic - dance...still listen to a lot Bosa Nova.
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Março de 2014, 18:03
Citação de: Festivus em 25 de Março de 2014, 00:21
Citação de: pcssousa em 24 de Março de 2014, 23:01
Well, since you're talking about music, I have to say my favorite band, by far, is from Athens.
Athens, GA, not Athens Greece. R.E.M.
:D
I enjoy a couple of Greek bands: Rotting Christ and Septic Flesh. Good extreme metal.
I know this may sound strange, but most Greeks I know adore thrash metal/ extreme metal.. I have no explanation as to why. Greeks are simply infatuated with metal. :crazy2:
There was a survey a few years back that showed that more Greeks watch MTV per head than any other eu nation. Now I don't think anyone there cares about MTV, but they love music of all cultures especially Brazil/
Interestingly, a former president of Greece, Andreas Papandreou, comes to mind. He married his mistress - who was an airline hostess and in the end, she was running the country as his health faded. I heard from a few people, he would spend hours listening to fado in his office.. ::)
Myself I don't listen to Greek music much as it has too much emotion invested in it and I find it quite heavy. I listen to most music - rock- pop - classic - dance...still listen to a lot Bosa Nova.
Had no idea there was such a big Metal scene in Greece, to be honest.
No idea if MTV is popular here or not. I personally don't watch it. I'd guess that most people would rather listen to music on youtube or just download it instead.
I listen a lot to rock and classical music as well.
MTV is getting worser here, one of the guys who actualy made a program with them was on my school and he was such an ass...Even people from there hated him
A bunch of guys who think a lot of themselves because they like being Swaged, and then when he could would always come to botther me, problem was, i reacted once, after that the guy never had a single word with me, i guess he got the lesson
Its much better watching music from youtube or download it then to watch some pitty ass songs from MTV
MTV still exists?
:D
Hasn't MTV pretty much turned into a reality TV network?
Even Greece has a Heavy Metal festival dedicated to the old school sound:
http://www.up-the-hammers.gr/
:dance:
Citação de: josantiago em 26 de Março de 2014, 01:01
Even Greece has a Heavy Metal festival dedicated to the old school sound:
http://www.up-the-hammers.gr/
:dance:
Always good to discover new Metal bands. :metal:
I used to be very much into heavy and thrash metal in my teens and early twenties. Even death metal.
But I'm basically over it now. I can listen to something every now and then but it's not the same as before.
Kinda offtopic now but it fits the topic. ;D
I had really big expectations on Ninis, I watched him play for Pana a lot of times and I really saw a diferrent player for your standards. Very small, fast, technical, irreverent and not afraid to dribble opponents.
Don't know what happened(I know he had some injuries) but he did not make it recently to the national team and the he went to Parma. How's he doing in PAOK?
He played little against us but they were a weak side to be honest(it's really a walk in the park for you guys!).
Curiosity: He was linked to Benfica before he wento to Italy.
Off-topic: Yes, MTV programming consists basically of reality television now, but they are starting to make surprisingly good scripted dramas for teenage audiences.
I guess worldwide there are still a lot of music channels under the MTV brand though.
Citação de: HJDK em 26 de Março de 2014, 04:21
Kinda offtopic now but it fits the topic. ;D
I had really big expectations on Ninis, I watched him play for Pana a lot of times and I really saw a diferrent player for your standards. Very small, fast, technical, irreverent and not afraid to dribble opponents.
Don't know what happened(I know he had some injuries) but he did not make it recently to the national team and the he went to Parma. How's he doing in PAOK?
He played little against us but they were a weak side to be honest(it's really a walk in the park for you guys!).
Curiosity: He was linked to Benfica before he wento to Italy.
Well terrible events really.
We must put this into context of:
1/ Greeks (media and fans alike) disliking young players who 'don't have enough experience.'
2/ Panathinaikos medical team.
3/ The stupidity of Ninis himself.
When he broke out the ranks at Panathiankos, he was one of the hottest prospects in Europe, being tracked by Chelsea, Man U and receiving offers from smaller teams like Sevilla etc.. As you stated, huge ability - technical ability, good shooter, quick mind and natural grace.
What went wrong? Well firstly and most importantly he was dropped by various coaches inexplicably. Just as Victor Munoz had selected him from the academies and promotes him to the first 11 - which proved a massive success, the next coach..Jose Peseiro dropped him from the team altogether for the best part of a year. This was a huge mistake.
To confound matters Ninis had stomach issues. Many stated he had been overplayed too young (he was receiving starts and match day MVPs for the PAO first 11 at 16 years old). These injuries to his stomach were not properly understood as to their cause or best treatment.
Next comes the PAO fans (Vazelos) themselves.. they never seemed overly fond with Ninis despite his huge performances in Europe, for the national team and domestically. The Greek press were indifferent to Ninis - even when he was rescuing our national team while still a teenager.
So he leaves. Where does he go? The graveyard of Greek players - Italy. Played very little at parma, refused a loan to real betis and returned to Greece. At PAOK he has been heavily critised by the fans unless he scores a goal.. However when I have watched him, he has still looked good and just seems he needs more games.
I believe if Benfica had gambled on Ninis, he would have been something as your infrastructure is far superior to PAOK, PAO and Parma combined.
Fetfatzidis has had a similar history.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 26 de Março de 2014, 00:46
MTV still exists?
:D
It does, but I doubt anyone bothers with it anymore. In Greece they have had their own music channel for years called MAD which is still hugely popular.
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Março de 2014, 15:06
Citação de: Gottschalk em 26 de Março de 2014, 00:46
MTV still exists?
:D
It does, but I doubt anyone bothers with it anymore. In Greece they have had their own music channel for years called MAD which is still hugely popular.
Are there any tv shows dedicated to traditional Greek music?
:confused:
mm well MAD is more RnB hip hop, pop, rock... stuff 15-24 years old listen to in the hope it makes them more cool and can have sex easier..
MAD Greekz is another MAD channel but 24/7 Greek music, but more modern Greek stuff.. I am not sure there is a channel dedicated to 1950's - 1970's Greek music. Although before ERT was shut down last summer, they used to have a big show on Saturday night with everyone singing traditional songs and drinking wine etc..
I'm happy about Panathinaikos victory in the Cup. Berg is back after dark years in Germany. :D
34 detentions...
Citação de: Covenant em 27 de Abril de 2014, 16:42
I'm happy about Panathinaikos victory in the Cup. Berg is back after dark years in Germany. :D
His last goal in the game was impressive I must admit.
In other news AEK officially won promotion to the 'B' league today with a 2-0 victory. If they win this league they will be back in the top league from next summer. It will not be easy however, Iraklis, Aris, Larissa will all also be in the B league. The mayor of Nea Filadelfeia congratulated the team on the promotion and stated that he hopes to see them in their new stadium when they return to the Super League:
(http://www.sportdog.gr/sites/default/files/imagecache/lightbox_full/article/2014_04/3CD2F5B55244384C3EDBF7D2E6E41A4E.jpg)
Isn't AEK bankrupt?
How did they manage to get the money for a new stadium?
Citação de: OmarLittle em 27 de Abril de 2014, 23:37
Isn't AEK bankrupt?
How did they manage to get the money for a new stadium?
They're a big club with a devoted fanbase.
Big clubs can pull it back together.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 28 de Abril de 2014, 00:31
Citação de: OmarLittle em 27 de Abril de 2014, 23:37
Isn't AEK bankrupt?
How did they manage to get the money for a new stadium?
They're a big club with a devoted fanbase.
Big clubs can pull it back together.
I know, but still, you have to reckon that it's weird.
For example, a club like River (one of the biggest in the world) has been trying to renovate Monumental for ages and always have been unsuccessful.
Citação de: OmarLittle em 28 de Abril de 2014, 00:39
Citação de: Gottschalk em 28 de Abril de 2014, 00:31
Citação de: OmarLittle em 27 de Abril de 2014, 23:37
Isn't AEK bankrupt?
How did they manage to get the money for a new stadium?
They're a big club with a devoted fanbase.
Big clubs can pull it back together.
I know, but still, you have to reckon that it's weird.
For example, a club like River (one of the biggest in the world) has been trying to renovate Monumental for ages and always have been unsuccessful.
That's not true...
... They painted the stands.
Citação de: OmarLittle em 28 de Abril de 2014, 00:39
Citação de: Gottschalk em 28 de Abril de 2014, 00:31
Citação de: OmarLittle em 27 de Abril de 2014, 23:37
Isn't AEK bankrupt?
How did they manage to get the money for a new stadium?
They're a big club with a devoted fanbase.
Big clubs can pull it back together.
I know, but still, you have to reckon that it's weird.
For example, a club like River (one of the biggest in the world) has been trying to renovate Monumental for ages and always have been unsuccessful.
Perhaps AEK got some outside investment like PAOK? I'm not totally uptodate on that but it's possible.
It was a shame that they got relegated to begin with. Greece needs its biggest clubs on the First Divsion. Same said for Aris, for instance.
They were bought by some rich guy.
Their former owner (who they won the league with), waited for them to be relagated to the 3rd division due to debt punishment and then bought them. He is a billionaire and he is the one that started the process of rebuilding a modern stadium on the historic site:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitris_Melissanidis
The stadium plans means that it will be one of the most unique stadiums in Europe, although on the small side due to restricted space (32,000):
(http://imageshack.us/a/img707/8784/93ba.jpg)
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What's best about Greece isn't football. It's philosophy.
Greek women's too
Citação de: Jotenko em 28 de Abril de 2014, 16:07
What's best about Greece isn't football. It's philosophy.
Faliro, are you a thinker?
Too much
Money, women, time remaining, career, football, cars...
then food, meaning of life, clothes etc
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Abril de 2014, 16:49
Money, women, time remaining, career, football, cars...
then food, meaning of life, clothes etc
Time remaining? Ha!!!
Do you believe in God?
No I am not religious. I believe as Zorba said, when we die, we are worm food.
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Abril de 2014, 17:01
No I am not religious. I believe as Zorba said, when we die, we are worm food.
Then, what's the point of living? What's the point of supporting Olympiacos, if there is no eternal glory?
In that case you must feel really ridiculous right?
Why don't you sit in a chair and wait for the death to come?
Just because there is no afterlife contrary to what the desert religions preach - (Islam, Christianity and Judaism), doesn't mean there is no fun to have on earth.
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Abril de 2014, 17:11
Just because there is no afterlife contrary to what the desert religions preach - (Islam, Christianity and Judaism), doesn't mean there is no fun to have on earth.
But that sounds rather small. Having fun just for the sake of it? That's stupid. It will end anyway.
If you distance yourself from the line that is Time, between the beggining and end of the Universe, you will see only a dot.
That seems rather strange and odd. The creation makes no sense in that case.
Well we don't have all the answers yet and that is something every non religious person has to come to terms with.
Also there is nothing wrong in searching for pleasure, the ancients had no sensational afterlife to look forward to, but they still managed to have fun.
I find it weirder that Christians, Muslims and Jews worship a desert God that tells his creations that we are born sinners and unless we apologize, we will burn in Hell. But I suppose we live with banks and charges (Gas, electric, council tax), so we accept punishment is part and parcel of life..
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Abril de 2014, 17:27
Well we don't have all the answers yet and that is something every non religious person has to come to terms with.
Also there is nothing wrong in searching for pleasure, the ancients had no sensational afterlife to look forward to, but they still managed to have fun.
I find it weirder that Christians, Muslims and Jews worship a desert God that tells his creations that we are born sinners and unless we apologize, we will burn in Hell. But I suppose we live with banks and charges (Gas, electric, council tax), so we accept punishment is part and parcel of life..
Why are you talking about religions all the time? Couldn't it be that we are a product of a palpable creation plan?
Well I am talking about religion because you are talking about meaning of life without religion or belief in a 'plan.'
We all lived our lives knowing the difference between right and wrong before the emergence of the desert religions.
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Abril de 2014, 17:42
Well I am talking about religion because you are talking about meaning of life without religion or belief in a 'plan.'
We all lived our lives knowing the difference between right and wrong before the emergence of the desert religions.
If you don't believe in religions or the concept of creation or superior knowledge, then how do you define what's right or wrong?
The same way the ancients did, logic.
The saying, 'do not do to others what you would not want done to yourself' is older than Christianity. The law courts of Ancient Rome and Ancient Athens are not that different to the ones we have today. There was theatre, music, wine, food, restaurants, schools, lawyers, gyms, banks, councils, sports, olympic games, wars, charities, religious beliefs, etc all before Christianity and the other desert religions.. The desert religions did not shape our society, the ancient world did.
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Abril de 2014, 17:51
The same way the ancients did, logic.
The saying, 'do not do to others what you would not want done to yourself' is older than Christianity. The law courts of Ancient Rome and Ancient Athens are not that different to the ones we have today. There was theatre, music, wine, food, restaurants, schools, lawyers, gyms, banks, councils, sports, olympic games, wars, charities, religious beliefs, etc all before Christianity and the other desert religions.. The desert religions did not shape our society, the ancient world did.
Fair enough.
Thanks.
I have to take a shit now.
^ You like shit?
No, just don't like the idea of keeping one in..
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Abril de 2014, 17:57
No, just don't like the idea of keeping one in..
I call my poop pieces 'submarines'
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Abril de 2014, 17:51The saying, 'do not do to others what you would not want done to yourself' is older than Christianity.
And Christianity does not claim otherwise, since it believes that all moral absolutes come from God.
That they have been more or less present in civilisations prior to Christendom, or Israel, is of no surprise. It is, in fact, expectable.
Well Christianity does not speak with one voice. Here in the UK we have had a big debate recently with our Primeminister suddenly stating we are a 'Christian country' and should be more 'evangelical' about it..that he has strong christian beliefs etc.. :whistle2: He and others stated the 'values' we have in the UK are Christian and institutions like marriage are Christian heritage.
So to someone like myself who studied classics, it seems many Christians, in the UK and US believe that their values, morals and institutions are intrinsically Christian, when history teaches us that most our values, morals and laws were present in our pre-christian culture of Ancient Italy and Ancient Greece.
The desert religions are very extreme in general.
I'm not sure what your rant involving Cameron and the UK was about. That Europe as a whole, despite the large inroads made by secularism and liberalism in the 19th and 20th centuries, is still rooted at its core in common Christian values and concepts is undeniable. That's the driving force behind the matrix of what have come to call western civilisation, not the classics, no matter how important they have been (and they have). To highlight the Greco-Roman heritage of Europe at the expense of Christendom is the typical modern reactionary thought present, for instance, in the early drafts of the EU constitution.
In any case, that's immaterial to the point I was making. I pointed out that the presence of moral codes, even moral codes that contain truth in them that we still share, in civilisations that were not touched by Christianity, or that are antecedent to it and to the Jewish nation, is not an argument against the Christian religion but for it, since Christianity believes in one God who alone is the creator and fountain of all truth.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 29 de Abril de 2014, 09:47
I'm not sure what your rant involving Cameron and the UK was about.
Well I did not see it as a rant and all the others who attacked him, I did not see as ranting either..
CitaçãoThat Europe as a whole, despite the large inroads made by secularism and liberalism in the 19th and 20th centuries, is still rooted at its core in common Christian values and concepts is undeniable.
So it must be easy then for you to tell me what 'Core Christian Values' our society adheres to that were not borrowed/stolen from the ancient, pre-christian world. Because logic dictates, if they are the same values, calling them 'core christian' is a bit silly. Our society is based on education, sports, charity, entertainment, city councils, technology, money, family, marriage, the sanctity of children, moral codes against stealing and violence, law and order etc. These are not Christian inventions and they make up the MAJORITY of our society. Christianity - like other desert religions damaged many of the systems however, the ancient systems now rule again. Islam is simply a sister of Christianity going through its 'crusader' period.
CitaçãoThat's the driving force behind the matrix of what have come to call western civilisation, not the classics, no matter how important they have been (and they have).
Western Civilsation is the descendant of Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome. Saying our civilsation is Christian is like someone buying a Picasso painting and claiming credit for painting it himself because he has simply owned the painting for 40 years...
CitaçãoTo highlight the Greco-Roman heritage of Europe at the expense of Christendom is the typical modern reactionary thought present, for instance, in the early drafts of the EU constitution.
Actually - on this planet, for the last 2000 years, most intellectuals, when talking about western civilsation talk about Greece and Rome being the ancestor, not the desert religions.
CitaçãoIn any case, that's immaterial to the point I was making. I pointed out that the presence of moral codes, even moral codes that contain truth in them that we still share, in civilisations that were not touched by Christianity, or that are antecedent to it and to the Jewish nation, is not an argument against the Christian religion but for it, since Christianity believes in one God who alone is the creator and fountain of all truth.
Not only Christians believe that, most the desert religions do. The Bible is a collection of stories, many borrowed from other tribes and civilizations. To base your life on corrupted texts and attempt to pretend our world is not a descendant of the Ancient Greek and Ancient Roman is bizarre.
When the people of the Roman/Byzantium Empire were told that they had to worship a desert God, most resisted, others didn't care. All the old places of pagan worship were simply destroyed and churches put in their place - no matter how remote. The Olympic games was banned as a pagan festival. The body was covered up as it was sinful, public baths were seen as places of sin. The world became a very silly place - just as you would expect when a violent desert religion was allowed to govern over a world were Mathematics and logic were considered divine. Apollo the handsome son of God (zeus) who could heal by touch became Jesus to many - the chaste virgin - Athena - became Mary. The saints became many lesser Gods. Then the Romans started editing heavily the New Testament - throwing away histories that did not adhere to the type of Christianity they were trying to create. The new desert God needed European grooming and he got that. Wars were started on how best to worship him, millions were massacred since the foundation of the desert religion in the West. The West was not a bed of roses before Christianity, but this desert religion did little to nothing to improve the world, just brought much blood and the burning of many many books - which set our civilization back centuries.
As for 19th Century liberalism, I think you need to read a book called Father and Son by Edmund Goose. It was composed in the 19th Century and describes why Christianity began to die in the UK and it was nothing to do with liberalism, it was simply logic and education was starting to disprove large amounts of the desert Book, AKA Bible and many religious scientists and learned citizens simply gave up or had crisis with Christianity.
As for Cameron claiming we are a Christian Nation, the former Archbishop of the whole country stated last week we are a 'post christian' country and I am afraid the majority of the UK agrees..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27177265
Your post speaks for itself, Faliro. Just too much strawmen.
I used to be like that in my teens and early twenties, but I've grown past it. No offence, friend, but this interaction isn't likely to get us anywhere.
Faliro, do you like Greece being a Republic? Would you rather be a Kingdom, taking in account also that you live in the Uk?
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I don't believe in Monarchy so I am happy Greece does not have one. Especially as the monarchy had 0 Greek blood. They were German-Danish who managed to rule Greece for over 150 years.
However there was one king that Greece owes a lot to and after his death, the country fell apart. It was George I of Greece (1845-1913). He managed to take back huge amounts of Greece from the ottoman Empire. You can see the territorial gains under his rule were huge. He was assassinated by a Greek anarchist days after he had gained Macedonia for the Kingdom of Greece.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Greekhistory.GIF/800px-Greekhistory.GIF)
Citação de: Gottschalk em 29 de Abril de 2014, 21:56
Your post speaks for itself, Faliro. Just too much strawmen.
I used to be like that in my teens and early twenties, but I've grown past it. No offence, friend, but this interaction isn't likely to get us anywhere.
I understand too, I went to Catholic school, so I know how to deal with those who worship the Hebrew God. I witnessed first hand how facts are meaningless to them. We will go in peace. :smokin:
Oh... The discussion escalated quickly!
A song was released for Greece's world cup in Brazil.
It talks about poverty and some other messages, very emotional:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhUhRSk1eJc
There were 'problems' tonight at Leoforo in the game between PAO and PAOK... ::bater::
Should result in -3 points at the beginning of next season and an empty stadium for some games. The equally stupid owner of PAOK and PAO have become good friends lately - touching each other and holding each other at the last game against the two teams and today... nice to see their new love is not shared by the fans of the teams they control. Vazelos tried to set fire to the 300 PAOK fans tonight...
Molotovs and chairs ,,, the TV cameras were pointed away from the violence to protect PAO - showing instead the two lovebirds trying to settle the crowd.... but the photo journalists managed to show most the truth,, you know I like spoiling you great Benfiquistas with mad images from the Hellenic Republic..
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/SuperLeague/article2770592.ece/BINARY/original/1109347.jpg)
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"best fans in the world"
What do some of those fans have between their ears?! Seriously.
Tumbaspor at it again!
Citação de: Gottschalk em 05 de Maio de 2014, 00:35
Tumbaspor at it again!
They're the Greek Vitória de Guimarães I guess ;D
Citação de: Festivus em 05 de Maio de 2014, 00:37
Citação de: Gottschalk em 05 de Maio de 2014, 00:35
Tumbaspor at it again!
They're the Greek Vitória de Guimarães I guess ;D
They're a nice club.
But, as with other Greek fans, their supporters are maybe a bit too fanatical.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 05 de Maio de 2014, 00:40
Citação de: Festivus em 05 de Maio de 2014, 00:37
Citação de: Gottschalk em 05 de Maio de 2014, 00:35
Tumbaspor at it again!
They're the Greek Vitória de Guimarães I guess ;D
They're a nice club.
But, as with other Greek fans, their supporters are maybe a bit too fanatical.
No idea if they are or not. But I've always liked them. I blame it on the epic PK shoot-out with them back in 1999.
We got Sabry and Machairidis from them.
Only Sabry was good.
"Good."
Citação de: Gottschalk em 05 de Maio de 2014, 00:57
We got Sabry and Machairidis from them.
Only Sabry was good.
I liked Sabry when I was a kid. He scored against both of our rivals under heavy rain ;D
Tapatalk e coiso
Actually, the goal against the corrupts was shared with the back of João Pinto.
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article2771361.ece/BINARY/w620/1109697.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Maio de 2014, 10:57
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnY3fbTIZ60&feature=player_detailpage#t=24
PAOK have been deducted 3 points in the play offs for their incitement of violence which means they may miss out on the CL next season. They will also start the new season with a two game home ban and -3 points.
PAO should get -3 points also for the Leoforo incidents, however, they are one of the most corrupt clubs and may avoid the punishment through bribery.
As for the Greece national coach, Bielsa was lost to Marseille. The focus now is on the unprofessional Lothar Matteus and the under experienced coach Tardelli.
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Maio de 2014, 13:39
PAOK have been deducted 3 points in the play offs for their incitement of violence which means they miss out on the CL next season. They will also start the new season with a two game home ban and -3 points.
PAO should get -3 points also for the Leoforo incidents, however, they are one of the most corrupt clubs and may avoid the punishment through bribery.
As for the Greece national coach, Bielsa was lost to Marseille. The focus now is on the unprofessional Lothar Matteus and the under experienced coach Tardelli.
Matthaus,Tardelli? Greece deserve a more better coach than this 2 guys.
Citação de: MrCobb em 06 de Maio de 2014, 13:52
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Maio de 2014, 13:39
PAOK have been deducted 3 points in the play offs for their incitement of violence which means they miss out on the CL next season. They will also start the new season with a two game home ban and -3 points.
PAO should get -3 points also for the Leoforo incidents, however, they are one of the most corrupt clubs and may avoid the punishment through bribery.
As for the Greece national coach, Bielsa was lost to Marseille. The focus now is on the unprofessional Lothar Matteus and the under experienced coach Tardelli.
Matthaus,Tardelli? Greece deserve a more better coach than this 2 guys.
I know, many were just saying the EPO should give Bielsa whatever he wants. However, I recon they only offered €850,000.. so the result was obvious.. The EPO is an exceptionally corrupt organisation. They are very wealthy, but spend very very little money on the Greek NT or infrastructure. Instead they filter out the money into private accounts most probably. They recently won a court ruling (last year) meaning they don't have to show their accounts - how much they make, spend or owe making them completely masked. They are a disgrace and no one talks about it because no one cares. Most Greeks support their team first, the national team is not respected. Most those who attend games in the World Cup will be Greeks from Germany, Australia, America etc. Greeks from Greece don't give a shit about the national team and rarely go to games.
I see, in the home games the stadium, and they play in the Olympiakos stadium, don't even in the bigger OAKA. PAO is more corrupt than Olympiakos? I read that Olympiakos are corruptsin Greece. Even Cisse talked about that.
They play in Faliro and most the time the stadium is empty. They even let school children in to make it look more full..
As for PAO, must has been said already. The simplest way I can put it is like me buying a Ferrari and you buying a 1970's skoda and racing down a road. When I win, you complain that my tires are illegal and that is why I won...
PAO have not spend money on their team/stadium/ or infrastructure but that is not why they lose to teams at the bottom of the league... of course not.. it is because the refs are paid by olympiakos.. :disgust:
Nothing against Olympiakos....but life taught me to always be suspicious when a team wins 15 campionships out of 17. I find pretty hard to believe that in 17 years, there was just more capacity, better players, higher investment that could justify such difference to the other competitors. I don't know greek sporting environment...but by my own portuguese experience, I'd say that it's almost impossible...but hey, since I've seen Greece winning an Euro Cup, everything can happen.
I understand, but simply look at transfermarket.de. We outspent them massively every season the last 20 years except the year they bought Cisse with their new owner, Pateras, who left the year after. The year they spent more than us with Cisse they won the league...
They developed a culture of blaming Olympiakos for their owners under spending - even in Europe they would lose 5-0 non stop.. I remember one of their owners was distributing free dvd's showing how Olympiakos cheated before a game at Leorforos.. :crazy2:
If Olympiakos had not massively outspent PAO nearly every season, than yes, it would be suspicious.. but when we are spending 50 million euros more each year... it is like shooting fish in a barrel..
Citação de: Schweisen Tiger em 07 de Maio de 2014, 00:43
Nothing against Olympiakos....but life taught me to always be suspicious when a team wins 15 campionships out of 17. I find pretty hard to believe that in 17 years, there was just more capacity, better players, higher investment that could justify such difference to the other competitors. I don't know greek sporting environment...but by my own portuguese experience, I'd say that it's almost impossible...but hey, since I've seen Greece winning an Euro Cup, everything can happen.
Rosenborg also won 13 championships in a row once. I wonder if corruption was involved or if they were just simply better and outspent their opponents by a wide margin.
Can't think of any other place outside of Norway and Greece where something similar to this happened. Sure, both Rangers and Celtic have won around 7 to 9 leagues in a row each, but that's quite balanced. That league is a two-horse race. And then there's Lyon in France that won 7 in a row once, but I've never heard of corruption suspicions from there.
It's not that simple, I guess. Juventus, Porto, Fenerbahçe and Milan have been linked to corruption scandals before and none of them has won 7 or 8 championships in a row. In fact, Juventus record is only 3 in a row. And Fenerbahçe have never won more than 2 in a row unlike Galatasaray, Besiktas and Trabzonspor have in the past.
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Maio de 2014, 00:33
They play in Faliro and most the time the stadium is empty. They even let school children in to make it look more full..
As for PAO, must has been said already. The simplest way I can put it is like me buying a Ferrari and you buying a 1970's skoda and racing down a road. When I win, you complain that my tires are illegal and that is why I won...
PAO have not spend money on their team/stadium/ or infrastructure but that is not why they lose to teams at the bottom of the league... of course not.. it is because the refs are paid by olympiakos.. :disgust:
Only these last two season.
About stadiuns you should be gratefull to your government.
I wonder why PAO have been better than Olympiacos in Europeam competitions, always.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:06
I wonder why PAO have been better than Olympiacos in Europeam competitions, always.
Reminds me of Turkey. Galatasaray have always been better than Fenerbahçe in Europe.
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:03In fact, Juventus record is only 3 in a row.
It's 5 in a row actually. Juve, Toro and Inter have all won 5 in a row.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:10
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:03In fact, Juventus record is only 3 in a row.
It's 5 in a row actually. Juve, Toro and Inter have all won 5 in a row.
Really? I could have sworn that I've read somewhere that 3 Scudettos in a row was a record for Juventus. Checking it right now on the wikipedia it was back in the 30s. I don't think Juventus was linked to corruption back then.
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:10
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:06
I wonder why PAO have been better than Olympiacos in Europeam competitions, always.
Reminds me of Turkey. Galatasaray have always been better than Fenerbahçe in Europe.
But the diference betwen them is not that big.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:13
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:10
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:06
I wonder why PAO have been better than Olympiacos in Europeam competitions, always.
Reminds me of Turkey. Galatasaray have always been better than Fenerbahçe in Europe.
But the diference betwen them is not that big.
Liceu has 2 things that Fenerbahçe doesn't, though. :smokin:
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:10
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:06
I wonder why PAO have been better than Olympiacos in Europeam competitions, always.
Reminds me of Turkey. Galatasaray have always been better than Fenerbahçe in Europe.
Fener has reached the semis of the UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup and also the Quarter-finals of the Champions League. They also won the Balkans Cup back in 67.
Galatasaray have been better in Europe overall, that's true, but perhaps due to being a more European minded club.
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:13
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:10
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:03In fact, Juventus record is only 3 in a row.
It's 5 in a row actually. Juve, Toro and Inter have all won 5 in a row.
Really? I could have sworn that I've read somewhere that 3 Scudettos in a row was a record for Juventus. Checking it right now on the wikipedia it was back in the 30s. I don't think Juventus was linked to corruption back then.
There has always been corruption in Italian football, even back in the 30's, although the sport was purer in those days. It's unfair to constantly single Juventus out, IMO.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:17
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:10
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:06
I wonder why PAO have been better than Olympiacos in Europeam competitions, always.
Reminds me of Turkey. Galatasaray have always been better than Fenerbahçe in Europe.
Fener has reached the semis of the UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup and also the Quarter-finals of the Champions League. They also won the Balkans Cup back in 67.
Galatasaray have been better in Europe overall, that's true, but perhaps due to being a more European minded club.
I remember them winning the UEFA Cup. Some were predicting that Turkish football was gonna grow a lot in the next few years... and it didn't.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:18
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:13
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:10
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:03In fact, Juventus record is only 3 in a row.
It's 5 in a row actually. Juve, Toro and Inter have all won 5 in a row.
Really? I could have sworn that I've read somewhere that 3 Scudettos in a row was a record for Juventus. Checking it right now on the wikipedia it was back in the 30s. I don't think Juventus was linked to corruption back then.
There has always been corruption in Italian football, even back in the 30's, although the sport was purer in those days. It's unfair to constantly single Juventus out, IMO.
Yea, Juventus are no saints, but no one really is in Italy. I'm honestly surprised that they get the worst reputation in Italy when it comes to corruption, though. How are they more corrupt than AC Milan, Berlusconi's club? Surely a man who has been prime-minister of Italy like 3 times, owner of AC Milan and RAI network(don't quote me on this, I'm not 100% sure) could have corrupted with a lot more ease than Juventus that had different presidents/owners/chairmen in the last 20-30 years, right? Or was he too busy banging whores and drinking wine as PM of Italy?
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:18
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:17
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:10
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:06
I wonder why PAO have been better than Olympiacos in Europeam competitions, always.
Reminds me of Turkey. Galatasaray have always been better than Fenerbahçe in Europe.
Fener has reached the semis of the UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup and also the Quarter-finals of the Champions League. They also won the Balkans Cup back in 67.
Galatasaray have been better in Europe overall, that's true, but perhaps due to being a more European minded club.
I remember them winning the UEFA Cup. Some were predicting that Turkish football was gonna grow a lot in the next few years... and it didn't.
That was a fantastic achievement for a Turkish club.
Yes, the league didn't grow as much as expected but it's better nowadays. It's a long process.
It has nothing to do with the 80's and the 70's for instance.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:22
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:18
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:17
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:10
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:06
I wonder why PAO have been better than Olympiacos in Europeam competitions, always.
Reminds me of Turkey. Galatasaray have always been better than Fenerbahçe in Europe.
Fener has reached the semis of the UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup and also the Quarter-finals of the Champions League. They also won the Balkans Cup back in 67.
Galatasaray have been better in Europe overall, that's true, but perhaps due to being a more European minded club.
I remember them winning the UEFA Cup. Some were predicting that Turkish football was gonna grow a lot in the next few years... and it didn't.
That was a fantastic achievement for a Turkish club.
Yes, the league didn't grow as much as expected but it's better nowadays. It's a long process.
It has nothing to do with the 80's and the 70's for instance.
It's not one of the worst leagues, and it has potential. It's on the same tier as ours, Russia's and Eredivisie, imo.
Portuguese fans speaking in english with each other
Citação de: josantiago em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:24
Portuguese fans speaking in english with each other
It stops being awkward after a couple of minutes.
But you can't compare PAO vs Oly with Fener vs Gala.
Since 96 PAO won only 2 league.
And AEK was also stolen.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:25
But you can't compare PAO vs Oly with Fener vs Gala.
Since 96 PAO won only 2 league.
And AEK was also stolen.
Indeed, the Turkish league has more parity. The Greek league is a walkover for Olympiacos most of the time.
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:25
Citação de: josantiago em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:24
Portuguese fans speaking in english with each other
It stops being awkward after a couple of minutes.
And it didn't feel awkward after I mentioned it?
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:22
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:18
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:13
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:10
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:03In fact, Juventus record is only 3 in a row.
It's 5 in a row actually. Juve, Toro and Inter have all won 5 in a row.
Really? I could have sworn that I've read somewhere that 3 Scudettos in a row was a record for Juventus. Checking it right now on the wikipedia it was back in the 30s. I don't think Juventus was linked to corruption back then.
There has always been corruption in Italian football, even back in the 30's, although the sport was purer in those days. It's unfair to constantly single Juventus out, IMO.
Yea, Juventus are no saints, but no one really is in Italy. I'm honestly surprised that they get the worst reputation in Italy when it comes to corruption, though. How are they more corrupt than AC Milan, Berlusconi's club? Surely a man who has been prime-minister of Italy like 3 times, owner of AC Milan and RAI network(don't quote me on this, I'm not 100% sure) could have corrupted with a lot more ease than Juventus that had different presidents/owners/chairmen in the last 20-30 years, right? Or was he too busy banging whores and drinking wine as PM of Italy?
Berlusconi was more into football in the 80's when he bought the club and the 90's. After his political career got in its tracks, he basically left the running of the football club to Galliani and Braida.
Moratti is also a very powerful oil tycoon. And we all know about the Agnelli family and FIAT. All of the big three have enough power to check each others out.
Citação de: josantiago em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:27
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:25
Citação de: josantiago em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:24
Portuguese fans speaking in english with each other
It stops being awkward after a couple of minutes.
And it didn't feel awkward after I mentioned it?
No. Not to me, at least.
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:26
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:25
But you can't compare PAO vs Oly with Fener vs Gala.
Since 96 PAO won only 2 league.
And AEK was also stolen.
Indeed, the Turkish league has more parity. The Greek league is a walkover for Olympiacos most of the time.
Greece is a smaller and poorer country.
The fortunes of AEK and PAO (as well as Olympiaco's) are dependent on generous businessmen investing in the clubs. Once the cashflow ends, it's pretty much downhill.
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:26
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:25
But you can't compare PAO vs Oly with Fener vs Gala.
Since 96 PAO won only 2 league.
And AEK was also stolen.
Indeed, the Turkish league has more parity. The Greek league is a walkover for Olympiacos most of the time.
Walkover now, with that fatguy mone and influence over the league, and state help with infrastuture.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:27
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:22
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:18
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:13
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:10
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:03In fact, Juventus record is only 3 in a row.
It's 5 in a row actually. Juve, Toro and Inter have all won 5 in a row.
Really? I could have sworn that I've read somewhere that 3 Scudettos in a row was a record for Juventus. Checking it right now on the wikipedia it was back in the 30s. I don't think Juventus was linked to corruption back then.
There has always been corruption in Italian football, even back in the 30's, although the sport was purer in those days. It's unfair to constantly single Juventus out, IMO.
Yea, Juventus are no saints, but no one really is in Italy. I'm honestly surprised that they get the worst reputation in Italy when it comes to corruption, though. How are they more corrupt than AC Milan, Berlusconi's club? Surely a man who has been prime-minister of Italy like 3 times, owner of AC Milan and RAI network(don't quote me on this, I'm not 100% sure) could have corrupted with a lot more ease than Juventus that had different presidents/owners/chairmen in the last 20-30 years, right? Or was he too busy banging whores and drinking wine as PM of Italy?
Berlusconi was more into football in the 80's when he bought the club and the 90's. After his political career got in its tracks, he basically left the running of the football club to Galliani and Braida.
Moratti is also a very powerful oil tycoon. And we all know about the Agnelli family and FIAT. All of the big three have enough power to check each others out.
Oh right. I forgot that when Berlusconi acquired AC Milan he was only a businessman.
All I know is that Calciopoli looks kinda fishy. Even if the clubs involved were guilty of match fixing, it seems that they also got punished for things they weren't exactly guilty about. And no way I'm gonna believe that Inter is the only clean club in that country. Just no way.
Citação de: josantiago em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:24
Portuguese fans speaking in english with each other
We're just respecting the rules of the subforum, josantiago.
Get with the program!
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:31
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:26
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:25
But you can't compare PAO vs Oly with Fener vs Gala.
Since 96 PAO won only 2 league.
And AEK was also stolen.
Indeed, the Turkish league has more parity. The Greek league is a walkover for Olympiacos most of the time.
Walkover now, with that fatguy mone and influence over the league, and state help with infrastuture.
Tino is a PAO fan. We can tell.
Citação de: josantiago em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:29
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:28
Citação de: josantiago em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:27
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:25
Citação de: josantiago em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:24
Portuguese fans speaking in english with each other
It stops being awkward after a couple of minutes.
And it didn't feel awkward after I mentioned it?
No. Not to me, at least.
Damn!
You should have posted a .gif instead, man.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:29
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:26
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:25
But you can't compare PAO vs Oly with Fener vs Gala.
Since 96 PAO won only 2 league.
And AEK was also stolen.
Indeed, the Turkish league has more parity. The Greek league is a walkover for Olympiacos most of the time.
Greece is a smaller and poorer country.
The fortunes of AEK and PAO (as well as Olympiaco's) are dependent on generous businessmen investing in the clubs. Once the cashflow ends, it's pretty much downhill.
I wonder how long it will take until the bubble bursts here...
Even with the crisis, Portuguese clubs keep doing well in European competitions, especially the Europa League. Even Sporting and Braga have reached the latter stages of it in the past few years.
Maybe what's happening at Porto right now is a sign of things to come...
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:31
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:27
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:22
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:18
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:13
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:10
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:03In fact, Juventus record is only 3 in a row.
It's 5 in a row actually. Juve, Toro and Inter have all won 5 in a row.
Really? I could have sworn that I've read somewhere that 3 Scudettos in a row was a record for Juventus. Checking it right now on the wikipedia it was back in the 30s. I don't think Juventus was linked to corruption back then.
There has always been corruption in Italian football, even back in the 30's, although the sport was purer in those days. It's unfair to constantly single Juventus out, IMO.
Yea, Juventus are no saints, but no one really is in Italy. I'm honestly surprised that they get the worst reputation in Italy when it comes to corruption, though. How are they more corrupt than AC Milan, Berlusconi's club? Surely a man who has been prime-minister of Italy like 3 times, owner of AC Milan and RAI network(don't quote me on this, I'm not 100% sure) could have corrupted with a lot more ease than Juventus that had different presidents/owners/chairmen in the last 20-30 years, right? Or was he too busy banging whores and drinking wine as PM of Italy?
Berlusconi was more into football in the 80's when he bought the club and the 90's. After his political career got in its tracks, he basically left the running of the football club to Galliani and Braida.
Moratti is also a very powerful oil tycoon. And we all know about the Agnelli family and FIAT. All of the big three have enough power to check each others out.
Oh right. I forgot that when Berlusconi acquired AC Milan he was only a businessman.
All I know is that Calciopoli looks kinda fishy. Even if the clubs involved were guilty of match fixing, it seems that they also got punished for things they weren't exactly guilty about. And no way I'm gonna believe that Inter is the only clean club in that country. Just no way.
As far as I can tell, Inter was also caught but the thing just prescribed.
As I said many times before, it's an endemic thing. Corruption is part of Italian life and culture. Sure, we can discuss who's more corrupt than the other, but it's a waste of time. I prefer just to enjoy the game from afar.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:35
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:31
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:27
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:22
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:18
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:13
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:10
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:03In fact, Juventus record is only 3 in a row.
It's 5 in a row actually. Juve, Toro and Inter have all won 5 in a row.
Really? I could have sworn that I've read somewhere that 3 Scudettos in a row was a record for Juventus. Checking it right now on the wikipedia it was back in the 30s. I don't think Juventus was linked to corruption back then.
There has always been corruption in Italian football, even back in the 30's, although the sport was purer in those days. It's unfair to constantly single Juventus out, IMO.
Yea, Juventus are no saints, but no one really is in Italy. I'm honestly surprised that they get the worst reputation in Italy when it comes to corruption, though. How are they more corrupt than AC Milan, Berlusconi's club? Surely a man who has been prime-minister of Italy like 3 times, owner of AC Milan and RAI network(don't quote me on this, I'm not 100% sure) could have corrupted with a lot more ease than Juventus that had different presidents/owners/chairmen in the last 20-30 years, right? Or was he too busy banging whores and drinking wine as PM of Italy?
Berlusconi was more into football in the 80's when he bought the club and the 90's. After his political career got in its tracks, he basically left the running of the football club to Galliani and Braida.
Moratti is also a very powerful oil tycoon. And we all know about the Agnelli family and FIAT. All of the big three have enough power to check each others out.
Oh right. I forgot that when Berlusconi acquired AC Milan he was only a businessman.
All I know is that Calciopoli looks kinda fishy. Even if the clubs involved were guilty of match fixing, it seems that they also got punished for things they weren't exactly guilty about. And no way I'm gonna believe that Inter is the only clean club in that country. Just no way.
As far as I can tell, Inter was also caught but the thing just prescribed.
As I said many times before, it's an endemic thing. Corruption is part of Italian life and culture. Sure, we can discuss who's more corrupt than the other, but it's a waste of time. I prefer just to enjoy the game from afar.
All I know is that Calciopoli destroyed Italian football.
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:34
Maybe what's happening at Porto right now is a sign of things to come...
Unfortunately, nothing significant is happening with Porto right now. We just like to read things into the news. We just won one freaking championship, that's all. We can start speaking of "what's happening with Porto" once we nail 3 or 4 in a row.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:36
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:34
Maybe what's happening at Porto right now is a sign of things to come...
Unfortunately, nothing significant is happening with Porto right now. We just like to read things into what's happening. We just won one freaking championship, that's all. We can start speaking of "what's happening with Porto" once we nail 3 or 4 in a row.
I'm not partying just yet either. Next season is hard to predict. Who will we sell and sign? Will Jesus remain here? Will Porto sign some good players? Will Porto's new manager turn out to be good? Will Sporting go back to mediocrity? It's gonna be an interesting silly season...
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:36
All I know is that Calciopoli destroyed Italian football.
That's a bit dramatic.
Corruption itself damages and destroys Italian football from within. However, that's not likely to change. The match fixing scandal called
Totonero in 1980, that got Milan and Lazio relegated to Serie B, also threatened to shake the very foundations of Italian football.
But they eventually recovered anyway and in a few years Juve and especially Milan were shining in Europe.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:40
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:36
All I know is that Calciopoli destroyed Italian football.
That's a bit dramatic.
Corruption itself damages and destroys Italian football from within. However, that's not likely to change. The match fixing scandal called Totonero in 1980, that got Milan and Lazio relegated to Serie B, also threatened to shake the very foundations of Italian football.
But they eventually recovered anyway and in a few years Juve and especially Milan were shining in Europe.
It will eventually recover, obviously. Who knows when, though.
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:34
Citação de: josantiago em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:29
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:28
Citação de: josantiago em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:27
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:25
Citação de: josantiago em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:24
Portuguese fans speaking in english with each other
It stops being awkward after a couple of minutes.
And it didn't feel awkward after I mentioned it?
No. Not to me, at least.
Damn!
You should have posted a .gif instead, man.
No. I will put a video instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7phlHG78do
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:32
Citação de: josantiago em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:24
Portuguese fans speaking in english with each other
We're just respecting the rules of the subforum, josantiago.
Get with the program!
Never! I am rebel, I don't respect the rules!
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:41
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:40
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:36
All I know is that Calciopoli destroyed Italian football.
That's a bit dramatic.
Corruption itself damages and destroys Italian football from within. However, that's not likely to change. The match fixing scandal called Totonero in 1980, that got Milan and Lazio relegated to Serie B, also threatened to shake the very foundations of Italian football.
But they eventually recovered anyway and in a few years Juve and especially Milan were shining in Europe.
It will eventually recover, obviously. Who knows when, though.
By the end of the decade, I think they'll be on top again.
keep this on topic people. You have Seria A thread.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:47
keep this on topic people. You have Seria A thread.
There are just too many rebels here.
I'm afraid it's hard to maintain order.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:49
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 07 de Maio de 2014, 01:47
keep this on topic people. You have Seria A thread.
There are just too many rebels here.
I'm afraid it's hard to maintain order.
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
We're all κλέφτες and Αρματολοί here.
Faliro will understand the reference.
Hahaha ^^ ;D
Look T1no, since I have come here I have learnt much about what porto has done to portuguese football. What has happened in greece is not comparable.
Take a look at AEK. Huge club winning the league for fun in 92,93,94... What do they do? How does Olympiakos sabotage their success? AEK decide to demolish their own historical stadium because it has damage from previous earthquakes.. and then state they don't have the money to rebuild it... Their previous owner who brought the success, Mellisanidis - a billionaire gangstar... sells his 'beloved' club to ENIC - an English investment company that spends less than an Orthodox Jewish guy at christmas.. the club fades and fades fast.. then what? After much pain and anguish, AEK get another owner Makis Psomidis - an actual mafia guy who was sentenced to 10 years last month for embezzlement, conspiracy and money-laundering - stealing from AEK over €21 million in the process. He is known for decades in Greece as Big Mac and is famous for match fixing also:
(http://sup.kathimerini.gr/kath/engs/img/NEWS/2012/04/psomiadis_30.jpg)
So AEK went bankrupt after all these scandals and what do they do? Buy Rivaldo, Scocco and other players getting further into debt..finally they are put in the 3rd league after being relegated and insolvent. Their 'fans' - original 21...made sure to smash every stadium of every other team before they were relegated.
So now who buys them for €1.. Melissanidis:
(http://www.fimes.gr/wp-content/uploads/melissanidis1.jpg)
..one of the richest men in Europe. The man who sold AEK to ENIC in the first place.. They have been begging him for over 15 years to rescue them..he would attend games.. he was only interested when he could get them for free and that is exactly what he did... He will now build them the best stadium in Greece and fill the team with good players..but....
who is at fault for the demise of AEK, one of the most beloved clubs of Greece? AEK is at fault. PAO will tell you everything wrong with Greek football is because of Olympiakos, but it is simply not true.
Also AEK Basket will be playing in the OPAP top league next season, after promotion. As an Olympiakos fan, I always fear AEK more than PAO because PAO pressure referees to win games, AEK simply build attacking teams to win.
As for PAO vs Olympiakos in Europe. I believe Olympiakos has now won more games in Europe than PAO. Basketball is another matter.. PAO are ahead there.
Great post Faliro, didn't know the story of AEK like that.
So, what do you have to say about tha league in 2007?
And about your stadium?
I think you mean 2008? When Apollon fielded an illegal player against Olympiakos and we were given the 'win' and 3 points for the game after a ruling? Those are the rules and always have been. If a team fields an illegal player, the game (3 points) is given to opposing team. Yes, it meant AEK missed out on the league, but those are the rules and they were not changed or altered to suit Olympiakos. In fact Apollon were warned about this player, but played him anyway.
As for the Olympiakos stadium, what do you want to know?
The stadium in Votanikos or something for PAO will be made?
Votanikos will not happen. Babis Vovos who was building the mall which was part of it, is bankrupt. Also the nasty owner of PAO, Alafouzos has dismissed the idea.
A group connected with PAO (PAN.KI - Panathinaikos Movement) gave plans for a demolition and rebuild of Leoforos some months ago (Leoforos stadium is actually is owned by the state btw, not PAO, but they don't mention that often..). This was their plan (44,000 seater) and I must admit it was quite spectacular - would easily be the most impressive stadium in the Balkans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5kTpPlaVlE
However, these plans have been dismissed because they will need to knock down a few buildings next to Leoforos which will be costly (PAO's owner spends no money) and difficult (some apartments and a school would have to be relocated)..
So finally their cheap ass owner has decided to upgrade Leoforos last month, from 15,000 to 22,000 seats... what was even more pathetic was the plans seemed to be the most amateur ever released to the Greek press..embarrassing.. I am sure somehow they will blame Olympiakos for these plans...somehow.. Here they are:
(http://content-mcdn.sentragoal.gr/filesystem/images/20140429/low/pegasus_LARGE_t_1041_106261219.JPG)
(http://content-mcdn.sentragoal.gr/filesystem/images/20140429/low/pegasus_LARGE_t_1041_106261214.JPG)
Why does PAO remind me of the Boston Celtics?
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Maio de 2014, 19:53
Why does PAO remind me of the Boston Celtics?
It's also green and has a clover for symbol.
The stadium in the videos was the best can happen to PAO. But seems like they never make good ideas in reality.
PAO just talk...
That project looks like Celtic Glasgow's Celtic Park.
I think the PAN.KI project is spectacular if I am honest. An urban emerald.. looks like it belongs in Tokyo or something. Most people who understand stadia were blown away by that proposal. The problem is, there is some land next to the stadium that needs demolishing and these are historical buildings that were erected for Greek refugees.
The property that needs to be demolished is on the left of this picture, the avenue on the right is Leoforos Alexandris:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/14/01/28/191245.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Maio de 2014, 00:20
I think the PAN.KI project is spectacular if I am honest. An urban emerald.. looks like it belongs in Tokyo or something. Most people who understand stadia were blown away by that proposal. The problem is, there is some land next to the stadium that needs demolishing and these are historical buildings that were erected for Greek refugees.
The property that needs to be demolished is on the left of this picture, the avenue on the right is Leoforos Alexandris:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/14/01/28/191245.jpg)
I passed on that street. When I saw the stadium I was very surprised, seems like a stadium of a second division club not from a team like PAO.
It is a disgrace. Looks like a youth skateboard park.
(http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/4454461.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P5nber3ViJ8/UsK6sA9nF-I/AAAAAAAAFdA/-3y4yvb79qU/s1600/P1110864.JPG)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M7um4Gcc17g/UsK7Ptk14pI/AAAAAAAAFdk/aa0QoOGTMgs/s1600/P1110877.JPG)
(http://www.koolnews.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/GHPEDO-APOSTOLOS-NIKOLAIDIS-PANATHINAIKOS-570-800x533.jpg)
Seems like Estádio do Bonfim :tomates:
How many people this stadium supports ?
16,000 - and as Vitor stated, the place is a tip.
But to I am sure the Vazelos in their minds,, think it looks like this.. :2funny:
(http://static.spherasports.com/img/cache/4055-leo-crop-580-557.jpg)
Citação de: fyure em 09 de Maio de 2014, 01:06
Seems like Estádio do Bonfim :tomates:
That stadium could easily be in Greece... ^^ ::)
We have many shit stadiums like this Greece... Here is Panserrakikos.
(http://www.stadia.gr/serres/serres11.jpg)
Personally, I get very embarrassed at the stadiums in Greece, especially the thought of players like Rivaldo, Giovanni, Galletti, Yaya Toure, Cisse, Karembeu etc signing for a Greek team and then realising they have to play football in a stadium like this:
(http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/1982118.jpg)
Hey is Panserraikos stadium!!!
In that picture doesn't seem so bad as it is ;D
But is normal Panserraikos is very small club, I think in this times they are not playing in any professional division. But have a club from a village close to Serres that is in second division, and wasn't in so bad position, that was playing on that stadium: Ethnikos Gazoros. I was there in some games and there was almost nobody whacthing the game.
16.000 ? PAO's stadium only supports 16.000 spectators ? Wtf ? The team from my small city plays in a stadium for 18.000 spectators... on the regional league ! Ok, it is true that the stadium is big for the team, and the last time it had a good attendance was beacause Benfica played there, but how can a club like PAO have a stadium of a small club ?
Stadiums in Portugal are not that great too. And we didn't learn anything with the Euro 2004. We spent a lot of money in stadiums that shouldn't exist, like Algarve Stadium and Aveiro stadium (even Leiria Stadium), and a lot of teams playing professionaly still have stadiums of the level of a regional league... Some clubs had a different point of view of the think, like Gil Vicente. Gil Vicente decide to go to a new stadium, with a small projection and small costs, but modern and designed to the size of the club. Some other clubs weren't that smart...
Isn't AEK getting a new one?
AEK will have the finest stadium in the whole Balkan Peninsular. They are building it directly on where their original stadium was demolished. Works will hopefully start this summer. Here is the promotional video with English subtitles, when it is completed, no team will want to have to go there to get 3 points:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5WROims-k4
Citação de: fyure em 09 de Maio de 2014, 03:00
16.000 ? PAO's stadium only supports 16.000 spectators ? Wtf ? The team from my small city plays in a stadium for 18.000 spectators... on the regional league ! Ok, it is true that the stadium is big for the team, and the last time it had a good attendance was beacause Benfica played there, but how can a club like PAO have a stadium of a small club ?
Stadiums in Portugal are not that great too. And we didn't learn anything with the Euro 2004. We spent a lot of money in stadiums that shouldn't exist, like Algarve Stadium and Aveiro stadium (even Leiria Stadium), and a lot of teams playing professionaly still have stadiums of the level of a regional league... Some clubs had a different point of view of the think, like Gil Vicente. Gil Vicente decide to go to a new stadium, with a small projection and small costs, but modern and designed to the size of the club. Some other clubs weren't that smart...
The most amusing thing is PAO moved back there from the OAKA (71,000) because they could not afford the rent of the OAKA. They were not paying the electric bills - so towards the end, could only play games in the OAKA during the day.. :bow2:
The stadia problems in Greece are tragic.
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Maio de 2014, 11:07
AEK will have the finest stadium in the whole Balkan Peninsular. They are building it directly on where their original stadium was demolished. Works will hopefully start this summer. Here is the promotional video with English subtitles, when it is completed, no team will want to have to go there to get 3 points:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5WROims-k4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5WROims-k4)
really nice stadium
how many seats will that stadium have??
I skipped some parts just to see how it looks, so not sure if they said that on the video :ashamed:
The plot at Nea Filadefeia is very small and narrow. The maxiumum seats will be about 33,000 most probably.
(http://www.stadia.gr/ngoumas/aekworks1.jpg)
(http://www.aek-live.gr/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/21.2-006-1.jpg)
How it was before demolition:
(http://www.stadia.gr/ngoumas/ngoumasapoolympic.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Maio de 2014, 19:32
The plot at Nea Filadefeia is very small and narrow. The maxiumum seats will be about 33,000 most probably.
ahh I see
not many seats for such a nice stadium, but 33k is not that bad
and the fact that it doesn't have such a big capacity will make it a little eaier on the away team, I'm sure Olympiacos will make some good results there :P
Strangely, big stadium projects always get blocked in Greece, sometimes by leftist sabotage - sometimes by the fans themselves. Here are the 'big 3' failed projects:
The Votanikos project for PAO was never fully embraced by the Vazelos, so it died quite quietly. It was a beautiful project that work actually started. The architect was Manuel Salgado, capacity 42,000 and cost €80 million:
(http://oi43.tinypic.com/2uiw5ya.jpg)
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When Nikolaidis was president of AEK he proposed a 50,000 seater a mile away from Nea Fildaefeia in an area called Ano Liosia - the fans rejected the idea and repeated the slogan: Ghpedo mono stin NEA FILADELFEIA tr. 'Stadium only in Nea Filadelfeia. Interestingly, AEK seem to have no problem with their basketball arena being in Ano Liosia:
(http://www.stadia.gr/galatsi/galatsinow17.jpg)
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Olympiakos started building a stadium in the 1960's at Rentis (downtown area 1 mile from piraeus) - which is now our training grounds. The stadium was 120,000 seats, but the construction was stopped during the Junta when it was only half built. Here is the model:
(http://www.stadia.gr/karaiskaki/rendiold1.jpg)
Here is what was left of the construction before Olympiakos built their training facilities there:
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/vag3721/stadia/RentiOld.jpg)
Here site the site today:
(http://www.olympiacos.org/sites/default/files/330379_0.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gnuLh3Fkgz0/UauN0WQOOII/AAAAAAAEmtw/sgcDYrFiiMc/s1600/1.jpg)
(http://www.redplanet.gr/scores/article1842142.ece/BINARY/original/redi.jpg)
well, big stadiums are nice but if the attendance is bad... better smaller stadiums I guess
maybe that's why they don't do them too big there
how is it in Greece, even for the big clubs?
here we have some stadiums with good ammount of seats but for the most part the attendance sucks.
even Porto (50k stadium) and Sporting (45k I think) it's very rare they fill the stadium (for the most part it's only full when they play against us)... they have around 30k average, some times even less.
Benfica is the club with best attendance, with an average of 40/45k... but we actually put 50/55/60k quite often.
so for Benfica those 30/35k stadiums would be small, but for the rest here they'd be more than fine.
Attendance in Greece is poor - for a few reasons.
1/ Expensive tickets, even for teams who play in stadiums that would embarrass Syria..
2/ Hooliganism. Most families avoid games the last 10 years.
3/ Poor quality stadiums - people would rather just watch on TV without getting your face burnt off by a flare..
Olympiakos attendance is low - probably about 20k per game - full 32,000 on a big derby or any European game. Amazing to think AEK has the biggest attendance atm (sold the most season tickets and they were in league 3 this season). PAO seem to be better since they returned to their rat-hole Leoforo this season. Their hardcore support looked lost in the massive OAKA.
yeah, you guys seem to have more reasons there that keeps the people away from the stadiums, which is not good for the "show" :/
here the big 3 attendances are not great, but not too bad... who suffers the most are the smaller clubs.
small country where most support one of the big 3
Interesting.. :confused:
PAOK received -3 points directly from the playoffs and -3 points for the start of next season for their crowd troubles.
Now the crowd problems in leoforos last week were far more serious...remember?
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article2771361.ece/BINARY/w620/1109697.jpg)
(http://www.sportdog.gr/sites/default/files/imagecache/lightbox_full/article/2014_05/paopak.jpg)
(http://komikotragiko.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/10291857_10152396854674752_2221942816272057440_n.jpg)
Punishment? 2 games behind closed doors and a fine. No points deductions! :huh: That is what you call corruption. That is basically a free ticket for PAO to get CL football next season at PAOK's expense. Because PAO 'avoided' a point deduction.. it is now:
PAO 7
PAOK 4
Asteras Tripoli 4
Atromitos 3
Greece has an interesting potential as a footballing country. I've always thought so. Natural talent, passion for the game, historical clubs, etc.
But something serious should be done about Greek football overall. The situation is decaying.
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Maio de 2014, 15:47
Interesting.. :confused:
PAOK received -3 points directly from the playoffs and -3 points for the start of next season for their crowd troubles.
Now the crowd problems in leoforos last week were far more serious...remember?
Punishment? 2 games behind closed doors and a fine. No points deductions! :huh: That is what you call corruption. That is basically a free ticket for PAO to get CL football next season at PAOK's expense. Because PAO 'avoided' a point deduction.. it is now:
PAO 7
PAOK 4
Asteras Tripoli 4
Atromitos 3
weird as fuck
if the others got points deduction this one should have it too :estrelas:
what does the press and the teams that got points removed say there about this???
The 'red' media takes it as just another example of PAO corruption and match fixing. We are laughing about it.
All the other media are as quiet as the grave because they are mostly PAO. AEK media seems a little confused and PAOK.. shocked...What can they say? The owner of PAOK and PAO have been cuddling the last 2 games and sitting together before and during the games to show how much they hate Olympiakos.. you could not make it up...
(http://allsportsagrinio.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/savvidis-alafouzos.jpg)
(http://www.contra.gr/Soccer/Hellas/GreekCup/article2757853.ece/BINARY/alafouzos_savvidis+(1).jpg)
(http://www.sigmalive.com/application/cache/default/images/news/615x340/savvidis_alafouzos.jpg)
(http://www.contra.gr/Soccer/article2757806.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/alafouzos_savvidis.jpg)
After the troubles at leoforos their relationship became visibly more tense..
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/10312079_10152012207501945_411618378702568935_n.jpg)
Alafouzos is a piece of shit.. seriously.. and Savvidis, the PAOK owner just proved how stupid he is once again.
it doesn't surprise me you guys are shocked and talk about corruption, the rules/punishment should be equal for everyone
and the fact the owners of PAO and PAOK are so close makes it even worse :crazy2:
This current relationship between PAOK and PAO sounds like Porto/Sporting relationship a few years ago. As long as Benfica didn't win anything, Sporting fans and the board would be happy.
It is exactly that ^^
If you want to join the fraternity of corruption, as a club owner, you have to state how bad Olympiakos is and get close to Alafouzos. Melissanidis (AEK) did it as soon as he purchased AEK - said 'things are going to change concerning Olympiakos' :crazy2: Savvidis recently (he had kept quiet since he bought PAOK a few years ago) got close to Alafouzos against Olympiakos publically. Seems it cost him a CL place for PAOK.. :2funny:
The owner of Apollon Smyrnis and Patras both threatened to quit Greek footaball this season, the Apollon one did, the Patras one said he would remove Patras from the second league.., he is a Lawyer like Alafouzos and just tries to damage Olympiakos as much as he can.
How PAO avoided -3 points is the biggest joke in Greek football. As an Olympiakos fan, we just ignore their games and concentrate on playing attacking football. We have the best stadium, the best training facilities, the most expensive squad and the most fans. We just laugh at them.
Btw, I really like that project for AEK's future stadium.
Yea, the project is in parliament and it will be voted on the 17th. If it passes, construction can start that week.
It will be a sensational stadium. Each gate will be named after an ancient city of Greece and Western Turkey before the fall of Constantinople. One gate will be names after Sparta.
Inside there will be museums, spas, cafes, elite boxes, simply a sensational construction and it will lift Greek football hugely. Athens will be in constant football civil war which will be great for development of the sport. If it is not built, there will be more misery.
As an Olympiakos fan I want it built so we have more competition at home.
I'm glad that Greece and the Greeks don't forget their rich past and history.
You seem to have a considerable amount of respect for AEK. Is that a general feeling of Olympiakos fans? And what do AEK fans feel about Olympiakos, generally? Obviously their biggest rival is PAO, but they also view you guys as a rival as well, right? And I'm guessing there's not a rivalry between Piraeus and Athens like there is between Salonika and Athens...
Very good question and most Greeks wont answer you honestly sadly.
The truth is most Greeks who live in Athens or Salonika have roots from Turkey, it is hard to find an Athenian who does not have a relative who is a descendant of a Greek refugee from Turkey. In the countryside it is a different story..most have lived in the same place for 1000s of years, like the islands..and the south of Greece..
So nearly everyone in Athens has a relative who is AEK. My whole Greek family that remains in Greece is AEK. The refugees came with nothing, just the clothes on their backs in most cases and built the AEK stadium with their own hands. Their club was designed to keep alive memories of their ancestral homeland in Ottoman Turkey. Their colours, yellow and black are the colours of Byzantium and their symbol is the crest of the Byzantium/Constantinople. Most Greeks will have sympathy for them and their huge passion and soul. They lost everything in Turkey but tried to preserve their culture - one that was not interrupted since the fall of Troy..if that really happened..
As an Olympiakos fan we hate PAO the most. They were the original 'aristocratic' club of Athens founded in 1908 and Olympiakos, who were founded after the great catastrophe of 1922, were the poor from Piraeus - the dock workers, sailors, ship builders and refugees from Turkey. That hatred between the two clubs has never died.
AEK and PAO never cared about each other. Of course they would try and kill each other whenever they came in contact - especially when they had to share the OAKA (was hilarious - really.. Original 21 would simply set fire to anything PAO - including shops, mopeds etc), but the real hatred was never there - only hooliganism, just as Olympiakos never cared what PAOK or AEK had to say. PAOK were never dominant in Greece so we never cared - same with Aris.
As for myself, I started watching AEK in the 90's when I started to fall in love with football. They had a great team - very fast, and great fans - no one could really win there, including Real Madrid... Also my favorite Greek player played there, Tsiartas. Even their shirts were cool in those days..
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/cdd67ca2258a142f96729e3147045dc9/tumblr_mg0akrxKN21rctpiwo1_1280.jpg)
(http://www.pamesports.gr/thumbnail?filepath=/contentfiles/superleague/AEK/nikolaidis%2023-02-13.jpg&width=620&height=446)
So I must admit to have a soft spot for AEK and when they return, Greek football will be so much more alive and entertaining again. Also, seeing them win or lose in Europe is always fun too.
Interesting, concerning fan cultures, PAOK hate every one in Greece. They will destroy anyone's stadium, they simply feel it is them against the world.. :2funny: :2funny:
Side note, original 21, AEK's extreme fans hate every club in Greece and destroy/ smash every stadium they visit.
It's pretty pathetic when someone's happiness is based on the failure of others. That's why many of us couldn't respect Sporting for years.
Pretty good post about Greek football and history, Faliro. Strange that there's not much rivalry between AEK and PAO considering they're the two best teams from Athens.
Man, PAOK sound like the Greek Vitória de Guimarães. They bear the same colours even! ;D
Why wouldn't most Greeks answer my question honestly? Is the subject a taboo or something? :huh:
Yes, since I have been posting here, I noticed a dislike for Sporting and now I understand why and I know the feeling, trust me, I hate teams like this..
Please don't get me wrong, if an AEK fan (Original 21) sees Vazelos (what we call PAO fans - literally Vaseline..because we always slide in easy...), there is always violence.. you just never sense the extreme hatred that you get between PAO and Olympiakos. Original 21 will smash and burn anyone's fans/ stadia.. they are professional hooligans..but you always feel PAO will go out their way to kill olympiakos fans and vice versa.. many fans have been murdered between Olympiakos and PAO in bars and suburbs.. even when they meet on holiday in places like Crete.. :crazy2: Because Olympiakos is the undisputed best club of Greece most clubs focus their hatred on us. :smitten:
As for PAOK, they are like pirates.. where ever they go.. problems..violence and madness. Their games against Fener a few years ago were epic... nothing like seeing Greeks get off the coach in Istanbul to beat up Turks in a city that was once our capital for 800 years.. they are fearless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JCker4-O7M
starts at 4 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM09Iu_ddx0
Greeks will not be honest with you because most Greek fans are fanatics. ''Olympiakos is the best, fuck PAO, PAOK, AEK etc...'' But the reality is far more complex like in all football countries. For example some clubs seem to develop mutual respects somehow after tears.. an example is whenever Olympiakos play in Crete, we never have any fan trouble these days - seems OFI and Ergotelis are more relaxed about us and since then we can loan them players and become more civilised. In contrast, the moment any Olympiakos fan steps foot in Salonika, there is serious serious problems.
Yeah, we're the main target here as well. Everyone wants to beat us.
I know this thread is about Greek football, but since this is a Benfica and Portuguese forum, allow me to tell you more about Sporting's and Porto's fans and their relationship with us.
You see, Sporting have been our main rival from day one, pretty much. Both teams being from the same city and the grounds they've played at never being very far from the rival's. Nobody(at least in the center/northern regions of the country) gave much of a damn about Porto until the 80s or so, when they started growing and their criminal President got in power. But the thing is, while Porto and Sporting fans hate us the most alike, we're pretty divided. Some Benfiquistas hate Sporting more than Porto and the opposite happens as well. Many of us just hate both equally.
The thing is, Porto is a cheating scum of a club. Every time Benfica plays at their stadium, our fans get treated like garbage. Wearing Benfica apparel in Oporto can be fairly dangerous, while a Porto fan wearing his team's apparel here in Lisboa can do it without anyone batting an eye. Sporting, however, is not a cheating scum of a club. It just happens to be our rival. Now, when it comes to fans, it's hard to say which club's I dislike the most. I'm from Lisboa, therefore I do not know many Porto fans, I must say. I do, however know many Sporting fans, and my university has plenty of them. In fact, in my course, I'd say that about 60-70 percent of the students that like football are Sporting fans. My uni is pretty close to Sporting's stadium(you can see it from plenty of classrooms and from the uni's library, even), but I doubt that has any influence since students at universities come fro mall over the country. Anyway, Sporting fans have a huge inferiority complex with Benfica. They NEVER give us credit when we win. And they seem to be lost in their own little world/reality where they are the best team in the world and a huge club in Europe. The thing is, Sporting have always sucked at Europe, and they only have a Cup Winner's Cup in their trophy case. The fact that they think they can stand up to us, who have way more Championships and 2 European Cups in our trophy case is, quite frankly, laughable. Plus, Sporting fans have an elitist attitude. They consider themselves intellectually superior to us. To them, we're all a bunch of drunk rednecks who beat up our wives. Well, to me, Sporting fans are nothing but a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals. And for someone who claims to be so classy and cultured, they sure showed it by joking and being overjoyed over Eusébio's death back in January.
Now, as for Porto fans, they're pretty arrogant and also hate us a lot. They don't care much about Sporting. They just view them as a bunch of cry babies, like we do. They don't really take them seriously. Porto fans, like Sporting fans, view us as the main rival/enemy. But the thing is, when Porto fails, they don't latch onto Sporting like Sporting do to them. When Porto is doing badly, they'll just curse themselves and talk shit about us, but that's it. They try to focus on their mistakes and try to figure out what went wrong so they can strike back in the following season. Sporting fans, however, their main goal is finishing ahead of us. Last season they finished 7th(their worst season ever) and yet cared more about celebrating our terrible end of a season than sulking over their pathetic one. They've even celebrated Porto's victory against us as if Sporting had won a title or something like that. Benfica fans would NEVER do something as pathetic as this. When Sporting and Porto faced each other in the Portuguese Cup final back in 2007/2008, I didn't give a damn about the game. Benfica had finished 4th, so I was kinda depressed over it.
So basically: Porto is the big bully, while Sporting is that short cowardly kid who hangs out/hides behind the big bullies.
I never knew this about sporting fans. They really sound like a bunch cry babies. Similar to the Vazelos. I am always amazed at how pathetic fans can be. I remember years ago when teams would come to play us in Europe, some Vazelos would greet them at the airport and wish them luck in the game - even giving them flags and memorabilia to display at our stadium.... :crazy2:
Sporting seem truely pathetic and I am sure they would be in heaven having a night in at home with some Vazelos. some wine and talking about us to get hot. Football cultures can be very ugly.
Olympiakos is very similar to benfica in a few points. Firstly, every other team wants us to lose, even to other teams?? :crazy2: We are both the biggest teams in our country. We both wear red.
You made me laugh about the psuedo intellectualism.. AEK will tick that box.. Just as I can spot a PAO fan, within 1 minute of meeting him (they have a personality that cries about everything) - I can spot an AEK fan even more easily. 99% of them are leftists..psuedo communists and most think that they are intellectual and truely understand football :2funny:
I am amazed how similar Portugal is in football cultures. It seems that certain personalities always seem to do to certain clubs..
When I lived in Brazil, I lived in a city called Belo Horizonte. I spoke a lot about football. Everyone is either Cruzeiro or Atletico..Club America is sually in the second division and no one really cares. What amazed me was that Cruzeiro are widely supported by people who don't understand football. They are arrogant and simple. Atletico fans seem to analyse every single game, they seem to take every loss personally and everything for them is emotional. Cruzeiro reminded me a lot of the descriptions on here of Porto. Atletico seemed more like Benfica... much loved and respected.
And I can tell you a lot more, man. Porto have taken João Moutinho(their captain) and Izmailov away from Sporting and they didn't care much. We took Yannick Djaló, a shitty player away from them, and they went apeshit over it. The thing is, Sporting was the club that has suffered more with Porto's success, not us. They've only won like 4 championships in 40 years or so. And Porto might surpass Sporting in terms of support soon, if they have not already. You'd be surprised how most Sporting fans, in a conversation about football, will blindly side with Porto fans when the subject is Benfica. Hell, Sporting celebrate their biggest win over us, 7-1, to this day. They hold a commemorative dinner ever year even! They might as well consider it a trophy. And that season, we won the championship, so that win of theirs over us was pretty much useless.
Yeah, and Benfica and Olympiakos both bear the same colours, as do Sporting and PAO haha.
That bit of PAO fans welcoming your opponents at the airport reminds me of Porto fans welcoming Lazio's team at the airport before our CL qualifying round against them back in 2003/2004.
From my experience, Porto fans are more knowledgeable about football than Sporting fans. Sporting fans would rather sell their own families for money than admitting that Benfica were fair winners or that we have good players.
Yeah, I usually can tell a Sporting fan when I meet one as well. Dunno what it is, but something about their aura and their faces just screams "I'm a Sportinguista". ;D
Politics are kinda irrelevant here when it comes to football. Originally, Sporting fans came from a more upper middle class background, and Benfica fans from a working class one, but that has changed a lot over the years. Most of the time, people will just support the club of their own parents./family. I've met fans of both clubs of every social group/class. Although, Sporting seems to have a higher amount of uppder mid-class fans. When I was a kid, I went to a school in Alvalade, which is near Sporting's stadium. There were still many Benfica fans, and I honestly don't know if we weren't more than them. Anyway, in that area there's a big clash of social class/groups. I had as many classmates from upper mid class/rich families as from middle/lower mid-class families. It wasn't an indicator of anything, but the preppy ones that came from richer families tended to be Sporting fans.
And I can tell you a lot more, man. Porto have taken João Moutinho(their captain) and Izmailov away from Sporting and they didn't care much. We took Yannick Djaló, a shitty player away from them, and they went apeshit over it.
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: So typical. Reminds me of something so funny. We bought a player called Rafic Djebbour from AEK - they could not afford him and had massive financial problems. As soon as he came to us he blossomed and scored non stop. Of course the AEK fans branded him a traitor.. Us Olympiakos fans simply pointed out, players tend to try harder when they are actually paid the wages owed to them..rather than waiting 2 years for a bits and pieces of wages with the help of a team of lawyers..
Hell, Sporting celebrate their biggest win over us, 7-1, to this day. They hold a commemorative dinner ever year even! They might as well consider it a trophy.
Hahahahahaha.. That is gold. The best one I can compete with that is the owner of Panathianikos, 'Tzigger' handing out free DVDs to Vazelos before a game of supposed games where we had cheated - just to continue the myth that we win unfairly...
From my experience, Porto fans are more knowledgeable about football than Sporting fans. Sporting fans would rather sell their own families for money than admitting that Benfica were fair winners or that we have good players.
When my cousins found out I supported Olympiakos, they stopped talking to me. Hating Olympiakos is a national sport. Vazelos, after an Olympiakos game, analyse every single play trying to spot cheating. They don't even care about their games..Only ours. They go to work producing images to 'prove' their findings.. however they have done this so much that now everyone just posts sarcastic diagrams in response:
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Yeah, I usually can tell a Sporting fan when I meet one as well. Dunno what it is, but something about their aura and their faces just screams "I'm a Sportinguista". ;D
:2funny: It is the aura!! I am always amazed how I can spot opposing fans. Also I look for weakness in the eyes to spot Vazelos.
Politics are kinda irrelevant here when it comes to football. Originally, Sporting fans came from a more upper middle class background, and Benfica fans from a working class one, but that has changed a lot over the years. Most of the time, people will just support the club of their own parents./family. I've met fans of both clubs of every social group/class. Although, Sporting seems to have a higher amount of uppder mid-class fans. When I was a kid, I went to a school in Alvalade, which is near Sporting's stadium. There were still many Benfica fans, and I honestly don't know if we weren't more than them. Anyway, in that area there's a big clash of social class/groups. I had as many classmates from upper mid class/rich families as from middle/lower mid-class families. It wasn't an indicator of anything, but the preppy ones that came from richer families tended to be Sporting fans.
What I find interesting is almost any anarchist in Greece supports AEK. What is interesting about that is AEK's emblem is the emblem of a right wing religious empire - the Holy Second Roman Empire to be precise. Even their stupid magazine is called EMPIRE..just seems weird behaviour for those trying to 'fight' the system..
(http://img003.lazysports.info/sports/aek_athens/aek_athens_aek_empire_cover_j4FaVT5h.sized.jpg)
You know what else is funny? Porto's been linked to corruption scandals more than any other team here, and yet they label us "the corrupts". Sporting fans at least know that Porto is corrupt... but they also think that we're as bad as them. And if they know that Porto is worse, they'll still hate us more even if that ends up hurting them more than it helps them.
As for the player thing, Djaló was a stupid signing by us. He sucked at Sporting and sucked here as well. Now he's at the USA living the high life.
Porto's president once put something in the away visitor locker room that stunk the whole place up, thus forcing us to dress in the corridor. He even told Eriksson(our coach back then) "War is war!".
Sporting's current president claimed that the country's issues could be easily solved if red was taken away from the flag. Seriously ;D
OK, that is ridiculous. I would have never believed this of Portugal - it seems so civilised compared to Greece when I watch games from there. I suppose money makes people do ridiculous things.
What I hate, is certain fans in Greece - most fans in Greece will never admit their team lost because they were shit. It is always the ref's fault. I have never witnessed a Greek admit they lost fair and square in Greece. In European games it is another matter. Domestically - no team in the history of hellenic football has lost a game because they were worse than the other team.
AEK used to make me laugh. They would blame the ref, of course.. But the next day, they would all be at the AEK training ground and would beat up - yes physically attack - the players they secretly believed played shit. When they can't get to the players, they would smash their cars...
Oh, don't get me wrong. We love to blame the refs here as well, even if they had no influence in the outcome of the match.
As for us being civilized, well the thing is, our fans and ultras are not as crazy and violent as the ones from other countries. Portuguese people are generally calm and peaceful folk that avoid conflict. We love to criticize and talk shit about others, but when it comes to actually do something we just say "fuck it!". We're also kinda pesky and envious of others' success. And we lack a bit of national self-esteem. We talk badly about our country all the time, and always comparing us with other countries, making them look superior to ours.
OK so now we are at the crux.
Undoubtedly, Portugal is a superior footballing nation to Greece. It also has better infrastructure, stadiums and reputation. The people seem quite similar also. Greeks always bad mouth their own country - the old joke told by Greeks is that 'Greece is the only white African country in the world..' 'when you put a greek in a suit, he looks like a monkey in a suit.'
I think the football difference is, Greece has professional armies of fans. These people live and breath their club - many are also professional hooligans. Jobs/family/religion all come second to their football team. Maybe in the past they would have been in an actual army or something. They buzz around on their mopeds, looking for fights, watching the basketball department, football department or even water polo section of their teams, each day there is always something to watch or someone to attack. They control certain bars - they always have friends to chat shit with.. I question if many of them even have jobs. Their tattoos... it is even quite common to have a tattoo of you favorite player..
(http://inpaok.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/garcia-tattoo-1.jpg)
Attendance is only high here when a team is on the high. And yes, this applies to the big 3 as well. Most of the smaller clubs barely have fans. There's a few exceptions(Vitória de Guimarães, Vitória de Setúbal, Boavista, Leixões, etc).
As for other sports, football is the only one who gets decent support and mainstream coverage here.
Citação de: Festivus em 11 de Maio de 2014, 02:08
Attendance is only high here when a team is on the high. And yes, this applies to the big 3 as well. Most of the smaller clubs barely have fans. There's a few exceptions(Vitória de Guimarães, Vitória de Setúbal, Boavista, Leixões, etc).
As for other sports, football is the only one who gets decent support and mainstream coverage here.
Basketball is well attended in Greece as is water polo.
The smaller teams sometimes can barely muster 3000 fans. I remember in 2005 a team called Akratitos was in the top league. No one wanted them there as they had no fans..
During that season they also achieved the lowest attendance ever in then 'Alpha Ethniki', with only 26 spectators watching their home game against Skoda Xanthi.
Also are Vitoria fans the most crazy in Portugal?
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Maio de 2014, 02:13
Citação de: Festivus em 11 de Maio de 2014, 02:08
Attendance is only high here when a team is on the high. And yes, this applies to the big 3 as well. Most of the smaller clubs barely have fans. There's a few exceptions(Vitória de Guimarães, Vitória de Setúbal, Boavista, Leixões, etc).
As for other sports, football is the only one who gets decent support and mainstream coverage here.
Basketball is well attended in Greece as is water polo.
The smaller teams sometimes can barely muster 3000 fans. I remember in 2005 a team called Akratitos was in the top league. No one wanted them there as they had no fans..
During that season they also achieved the lowest attendance ever in then 'Alpha Ethniki', with only 26 spectators watching their home game against Skoda Xanthi.
Also are Vitoria fans the most crazy in Portugal?
Well, the thing is, plenty of people that support small clubs in Portugal also support one of the big 3. Guimarães fans seem to be the biggest exception, though. Pretty much everyone in the city supports the local club and most of its fans don't support any other team. Their stadium always has good attendance. And someone who supports another team is almost viewed like a traitor there.
Benfica and Porto fans tend to be victims of violence when their teams play at Guimarães' stadium. Also Guimarães' fans stir up shit with foreign team fans often.
Interesting link on the biggest sports media site in Greece, asks the fans and allows them to vote on what players they want selected:
http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/ethniki_elladas/epilekste_thn_ethnikh_toy_moyntial.2780912.html
Its quite sorry bunch of players - injury ridden - old players, out form and tired. Katsouranis is getting his ass handed to him in the vote.. O0
We will probably field this in Brazil and get humiliated especially by the faster sides like japan:
.................................Karnesis (Granada)....................................
Torosidis (Roma)....Manolas (OSFP)...Sokratis (Dortmund)....Xolebas (OSFP)
....................Tziolis (???).......Maniatis (OSFP).......Katsou (PAOK)
Salpi (PAOK).......................Mitroglou (Fulham)................Samaras (Celtic)
If it was up to me?
..................................Karnesis (Granada)....................................
Torosidis (Roma)....Manolas (OSFP)...Siovas (OSFP)....Tzavellas(PAOK)
....................Ninis(Parma).......Samaris (OSFP).......Petsos(Rapid)
Fetfatzidis(Genoa).......................Mitroglou (Fulham)................Xolebas(OSFP)
The young defender of Schalke don't play?
Papadopoulos
Citação de: Covenant em 12 de Maio de 2014, 19:14
The young defender of Schalke don't play?
Kyriakos Papadopoulos.
I wish, he is the best player we have.. unfortunately he dislocated his shoulder after coming back from surgery...he is going to be on the couch this summer.. :tickedoff:
We play Portugal on May 31st... please break Tziolis's and Katsouranis' legs...
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Maio de 2014, 19:21
Citação de: Covenant em 12 de Maio de 2014, 19:14
The young defender of Schalke don't play?
Kyriakos Papadopoulos.
I wish, he is the best player we have.. unfortunately he dislocated his shoulder after coming back from surgery...he is going to be on the couch this summer.. :tickedoff:
We play Portugal on May 31st... please break Tziolis's and Katsouranis' legs...
I wonder if we can finally beat Greece after all these years.
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Maio de 2014, 19:21
Citação de: Covenant em 12 de Maio de 2014, 19:14
The young defender of Schalke don't play?
Kyriakos Papadopoulos.
I wish, he is the best player we have.. unfortunately he dislocated his shoulder after coming back from surgery...he is going to be on the couch this summer.. :tickedoff:
We play Portugal on May 31st... please break Tziolis's and Katsouranis' legs...
With Pepe and Bruno Alves, there is that possibility.
Greece has announced it lambs to the slaughter in Brazil.. well many are too old to be lambs.. ;D but you get the idea:
Goalkeepers: Orestis Karnezis (Granada), Panagiotis Glykos (PAOK), Stefanos Kapino (Panathinaikos)
Defenders: Vassilis Torosidis (Roma), Loukas Vyntra (Levante), Sokratis Papastathopoulos (Borussia Dortmund), Kostas Manolas (Olympiakos), Vangelis Moras (Hellas Verona), José Holebas (Olympiakos), Georgios Tzavellas (PAOK), Giannis Maniatis (Olympiakos)
Midfielders: Alexandros Tziolis (Kayserispor), Kostas Katsouranis (PAOK), Giorgos Karagounis (Fulham), Andreas Samaris (Olympiakos), Panagiotis Tachtsidis (Torino), Panagiotis Kone (Bologna), Giannis Fetfatzidis (Genoa), Lazaros Christodoulopoulos (Bologna)
Forwards: Georgios Samaras (Celtic), Kostas Mitroglou (Fulham), Fanis Gekas (Konyaspor), Dimitris Salpingidis (PAOK)
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Faliro, I recall you mentioning that several Greeks don't support the NT due to being against the federation's policies and interests. What about you? Do you support Greece's NT?
When we play Katsouranis, Tziolis and Karagounis in the middle - I want us to lose to teach Santos a lesson. However Santos doesn't care - and always makes excuses when we lose like 'we lost concentration..'
So I still watch Greece play (unlike most Greeks who don't bother) but it is like watching a car crash in slow motion. I just throw insults at the players from my seat. I just swear at the TV and laugh. What else can I do? I want the team to make me proud.. but they don't even run!! ::bater::
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Maio de 2014, 18:29
When we play Katsouranis, Tziolis and Karagounis in the middle - I want us to lose to teach Santos a lesson. However Santos doesn't care - and always makes excuses when we lose like 'we lost concentration..'
So I still watch Greece play (unlike most Greeks who don't bother) but it is like watching a car crash in slow motion. I just throw insults at the players from my seat. I just swear at the TV and laugh. What else can I do? I want the team to make me proud.. but they don't even run!! ::bater::
Do you care most for the NT or Olympiakos?
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Maio de 2014, 18:29
When we play Katsouranis, Tziolis and Karagounis in the middle - I want us to lose to teach Santos a lesson. However Santos doesn't care - and always makes excuses when we lose like 'we lost concentration..'
So I still watch Greece play (unlike most Greeks who don't bother) but it is like watching a car crash in slow motion. I just throw insults at the players from my seat. I just swear at the TV and laugh. What else can I do? I want the team to make me proud.. but they don't even run!! ::bater::
Classic Fernando Santos. ;D And some people would like to have this loser back. :buck2:
A few people here don't support the NT either due to federation politics, naturalization of Brazilian players and BS, but they're a small minority. I can't say I've met more than a couple of people who didn't support the NT.
Santos is a shit coach, seriously.
When I was a young boy in Greece I was confused why everyone hated the Greek national team. They actually didn't 'hate' them, they simply did not care. Not even a bit. That is because our team has always been about status and internal mafias of players making sure their friends are selected - rather than the best player for the position.
Citação de: Jotenko em 21 de Maio de 2014, 18:32
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Maio de 2014, 18:29
When we play Katsouranis, Tziolis and Karagounis in the middle - I want us to lose to teach Santos a lesson. However Santos doesn't care - and always makes excuses when we lose like 'we lost concentration..'
So I still watch Greece play (unlike most Greeks who don't bother) but it is like watching a car crash in slow motion. I just throw insults at the players from my seat. I just swear at the TV and laugh. What else can I do? I want the team to make me proud.. but they don't even run!! ::bater::
Do you care most for the NT or Olympiakos?
Olympiakos.
Even the Greek national team don't support the Greek national team.. no one does. There is usually a fan with a trumpet and some drummers. Most the fans of the Greek national team are Greek australians and Greek americans trying to show how Greek they still are by supporting the ' Greek nt'
The German Greeks (Hellas Fan Club) are pretty much the most hardcore supporters of the Greek national team.
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Seems like you Greeks don't take any shit from anyone. I like that ;D
When I tell others that I care more about Benfica than Portugal when it comes to football, they always say "Dude, come on now!" or "What? Seriously?"
Ask any AEK, OSFP, PAOK, Aris, PAO fan who they support more, Greece or their club. Less than 1% will say Greece. Of course, when Euro 2004 happened, there was some madness in Greece for a while.. people just ripped off all their clothes and celebrated in the streets.. it was madness..
(http://s4.firstpost.in/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/1GreekFan_Helmet_AP.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Maio de 2014, 18:57
Ask any AEK, OSFP, PAOK, Aris, PAO fan who they support more, Greece or their club. Less than 1% will say Greece. Of course, when Euro 2004 happened, there was some madness in Greece for a while..
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Well, if you ask most people on this forum, I'd wager that 70% of them would pick Benfica over the NT. But only the most passionate fans join forums of their favorite team. I bet the whole country would be pretty split between club and NT.
And btw, that image looks like some 300 parody set in modern times.
That picture always makes me laugh because greece had just won euro 2004.. and this guy thought...'' i'll get my moped.. and... errr.. yea.. my helmet and spear - like in ancient times!!!''
Some of us, regardless of supporting the NT or not, still haven't forgiven them for losing the 2004 final in our home country after all these years.
Weirdest thing. Before the game with portugal, I was sure you would win. No doubt.
I spoke to some Greeks in Greece, they all said the same. 'Greece will win.' I was confused, I was like - how are you so sure? They were like: we will win, 100%.
Many years later I think I understood. Greeks were going to win that final whatever happened. They simply were not willing to lose having got to that position. They felt they had had a miracle to get there and there was no way they were going to let portugal win.
It is the equivalent of asking a hungry dog, if he is willing to share a piece of steak he just found.
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Maio de 2014, 19:14
Weirdest thing. Before the game with portugal, I was sure you would win. No doubt.
I spoke to some Greeks in Greece, they all said the same. 'We will win.' I was confused, I was like - how are you so sure? They were like: we will win, 100%.
Many years later I think I understood. Greeks were going to win that final whatever happened. They simply were not willing to lose having got to that position. They felt they had had a miracle to get there and there was no way they were going to let portugal win.
It is the equivalent of asking a hungry dog, if he is willing to share a piece of steak he just found.
I think pretty much everyone here expected us to win. My mother had a very bad feeling about it, though. "We've lost to them before and Scolari doesn't seem like the kind of coach that learns with his mistakes" she told me that morning and I chuckled. If only I had known... :(
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Maio de 2014, 19:14
Weirdest thing. Before the game with portugal, I was sure you would win. No doubt.
I spoke to some Greeks in Greece, they all said the same. 'Greece will win.' I was confused, I was like - how are you so sure? They were like: we will win, 100%.
Many years later I think I understood. Greeks were going to win that final whatever happened. They simply were not willing to lose having got to that position. They felt they had had a miracle to get there and there was no way they were going to let portugal win.
It is the equivalent of asking a hungry dog, if he is willing to share a piece of steak he just found.
I had the same feeling this year in the EL final.
My mother, who does not even know what football is - has never mentioned the sport to me before, told me to put €300 on Greece to win Euro 2004. I ignored her. Obviously I thought she had lost her mind. She persisted, I got pissed off and told her we don't stand a chance.
She than went to the betting shop herself - and the guy tricked her - he would not let her bet for Greece to win and convinced her after 20 mins to bet for scores rather than results...
Of course.. this is an episode I don't mention too much anymore.. :-X
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Maio de 2014, 19:24
My mother, who does not even know what football is - has never mentioned the sport to me before, told me to put €300 on Greece to win Euro 2004. I ignored her. Obviously I thought she had lost her mind. She persisted, I got pissed off and told her we don't stand a chance.
She than went to the betting shop herself - and the guy tricked her - he would not let her bet for Greece to win and convinced her after 20 mins to bet for scores rather than results...
Of course.. this is an episode I don't mention too much anymore.. :-X
Tell me the rest of the story?
Did Greece win?
As a youngster always supported our national team, but then I grew up.
Still prefer our NT wins rather than loses, but usually don't care much...
Citação de: pcssousa em 21 de Maio de 2014, 19:27
As a youngster always supported our national team, but then I grew up.
Still prefer our NT wins rather than loses, but usually don't care much...
I know you were fucked after 2004, you sissy.
I was 13 back in June 2004. I was saddened over our loss, but overcame it quickly. I can think of a handful of Benfica games that made me feel worse afterwards.
Citação de: Jotenko em 21 de Maio de 2014, 19:27
Citação de: pcssousa em 21 de Maio de 2014, 19:27
As a youngster always supported our national team, but then I grew up.
Still prefer our NT wins rather than loses, but usually don't care much...
I know you were fucked after 2004, you sissy.
I was. Back in 2004 the National Team brought back the illusion I had when I was a young boy... Still hurts a bit.
But someone who grew up in the ashes of Saltillo can never be a NT fanatic.
For some reason the 2006 basketball world cup final hurt, Spain destroyed Greece after Greece beat the 'dream team' in the semis. i didn't feel much like talking for a few weeks..
Another feeling of loss was Bordeaux beating oly in the last 16 of the cl in 2010.
Anyway, like my father says, "my heart and soul are Benfiquistas and I'm only Portuguese because I was born here".
I may sound bad, but it's how I feel.
I don't think agree with Festivus.
I've been known here for not liking our NT and sometimes even wanting them to lose so I might be biased but saying that half of the country is split between club and NT doesn't reflect reality at all.
There are a lot of NT fans but they are mostly people who don't really care that much about football and just "use" the NT to enjoy the sport without rivalries and discussion. It's a typical woman thing, to say that they support the NT. Portugal games in big tournaments for most people are essentially party matches where we can get friends or family together. They aren't matches where people act like maniacs sweating and crying. (that might have been me in the last EL final.)
People who really like football, every week of the year and not only once every two years, are way more passionate about their club than the NT. They wouldn't even think twice when asked that question.
I'm mostly speaking from experience. Whenever someone asks me "so, are we winning tonight?" and I tell them that I don't care about the NT, they always look disappointed or just frown. I mean, if people will almost brand you as a traitor if you tell them that you prefer Barça and Messi to Madrid and Cristiano, why wouldn't they if you tell them you don't care about the NT?
I do agree with you that people are more likely to get emotionally invested in their club than in the NT I still think that people care a lot about the NT. Maybe not as much as they did between 2004 and 2008, but they still care a lot. Also, you don't see many arguments between people regarding the NT because everyone is backing the same side, unlike in club football where you gotta defend your colors on a daily basis. And of course, gotta remember that your NT does not play as often as your club.
And yes, I know that people who are not big football fans mostly only care about major tournaments such as the Euro and the World Cup, whether they're men or women.
Not at all. At least here in Porto it's very common for young guys to "support" Barça to be different from the majority and because of Messi.
I think it's obvious that portuguese feelings for our NT are very very superficial. People care when it is constantly in the news. When it's not, no one cares. No one discusses during the year who should be called, who is performing better, none of that.
Even right now, go check portuguese sports newspapers covers the day after Paulo Bento announced our NT's squad for the World Cup. Only O Jogo put that on the front page. A Bola thought Benfica being received in the city hall was more important and Record decided to discuss Sporting's new signings.
Back in 2011 there were still several confessional Barça "fans" here. But since 2012 or so onward they seem to have disappeared. I guess some "jumped shift" to Atlético de Madrid.
Yup. A lot of young people with international football just jump from bandwagon to bandwagon, to whatever team it's the coolest at the moment.
It was impossible not to like Barcelona in early Pep years. But then it was way cooler to like Dortmund and now it's Atleti. We just have to wait for next years trend :P
Citação de: Fever em 22 de Maio de 2014, 03:16
It was impossible not to like Barcelona in early Pep years.
I didn't like them.
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Maio de 2014, 13:01
I think you mean 2008? When Apollon fielded an illegal player against Olympiakos and we were given the 'win' and 3 points for the game after a ruling? Those are the rules and always have been. If a team fields an illegal player, the game (3 points) is given to opposing team. Yes, it meant AEK missed out on the league, but those are the rules and they were not changed or altered to suit Olympiakos. In fact Apollon were warned about this player, but played him anyway.
As for the Olympiakos stadium, what do you want to know?
The same player was given the OK by EPO to play then after their lost he was found ineligible??
About your( its not really yours) stadium, i want to know why Ethnikos does not play there, whe it was sopose to hapenned-
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Maio de 2014, 23:37
Greeks will not be honest with you because most Greek fans are fanatics. ''Olympiakos is the best, fuck PAO, PAOK, AEK etc...'' But the reality is far more complex like in all football countries. For example some clubs seem to develop mutual respects somehow after tears.. an example is whenever Olympiakos play in Crete, we never have any fan trouble these days - seems OFI and Ergotelis are more relaxed about us and since then we can loan them players and become more civilised. In contrast, the moment any Olympiakos fan steps foot in Salonika, there is serious serious problems.
What you're trying to say is that you have several clubs in your pokects, the same way porto do with Braga, Nacional or Setubal.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 23 de Maio de 2014, 14:06
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Maio de 2014, 13:01
I think you mean 2008? When Apollon fielded an illegal player against Olympiakos and we were given the 'win' and 3 points for the game after a ruling? Those are the rules and always have been. If a team fields an illegal player, the game (3 points) is given to opposing team. Yes, it meant AEK missed out on the league, but those are the rules and they were not changed or altered to suit Olympiakos. In fact Apollon were warned about this player, but played him anyway.
As for the Olympiakos stadium, what do you want to know?
The same player was given the OK by EPO to play then after their lost he was found ineligible??
About your( its not really yours) stadium, i want to know why Ethnikos does not play there, whe it was sopose to hapenned-
That is a urban legend created by you know who. There is zero evidence for this other than rumours creaded artificially after the decision by CAS. Apollon were warned and ignored the warning.
The EPO does not have the power to stop a club fielding any player, only the power to punish afterwards.
As for Ethnikos, they can play at the karaiskaki anytime they wish. It is another urban legend created by the Vazelos media that they are not allowed to play there. Legally they are allowed but instead they chose to play at Hellinikon and develope that stadium - which was silly because it was designed for baseball...
I wonder why they play there rather in karaiskaki, it makes no sense, and why you call karaiskaki yours when it's not, i saw you saying that Leforos does not belong to PAO, but you tnever mentioned that karaiskaki does not belong to you.
I see, it's all urban legend.
The karaiskaki belongs to Olympiakos for another 40 years. It is leased to us. After 40 years we have to negotiate another lease if we wish to stay there. Under this lease we can do what we want except knock the thing down. We can even expand it if we wish.
Now, you tell me, when does the lease for Leoforos run out? :kiss:
Also, as to why Ethnikos chose to play at Hellinkon is more about stupidity than conspiracy. The owner was hoping to build a brand of Ethnikos and acquire that stadium at Hellinikon permanently. Surprise surprise, Olympiakos has good relations with Ethnikos! Their owner has stated when Ethnikos return to the top league, he will revisit the idea of using the karaiskaki, not before.
Here is Ethnikos stadium:
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No, it's not belong to you. It's not because you're saying that it will be truth and you know that, the govrmment. build it and lease it to you and Ethinikos.
Lease is diferet from sell.
Lease is ownership for a specific time. 90% of all UK property is leased and by law you are always allowed to renew a lease. While it is leased to Olympiakos it is ours. No one denies this in Greece or at Olympiakos.
I have answered all your questions. Now go back to your Vazelos and ask them when does the lease for leoforos expire. Surely they are not staying there for free at the cost of the greek tax payer??? :drool: Common, do tell. olympiakos legally lease the karaiskaki, tell me when the lease for the leoforos expires. I am waiting hear for your explanation. :coolsmiley:
Go ask these question to PAO fans.
but about that, i think they built it with their own money, and the rebuild they plan to do soon will be with their money.
We can't say the same about karaiskaki witch was built with tax payers money and leasead to you, how much do you pay for it? 500€/month like Porto pays for it's academy?
You can say whatever you want, but karaiskaki is not yours, you are not even the only team on that lease, so stop talking about "our stadium."
OK, you failed to answer honestly, so now I am going to show you how you are a Porto fan. Enjoy!
I have answered all your questions honestly and with reality, you have continued to make up things. Here we go:
By EU, international and Greek law, the Karaiskaki is the property of Olympiakos FC until 2052. After that, we can negotiate another lease - by law - and no one can stop us. Come to England and tell someone who has a lease on a house for 90 years, he does not 'own' the property. You will get a punch a face! :tonge:
The Karaiskaki was built on land owned by the railway company. The stadium only cost €60 million. The stadium was funded by the Olympic Comity and Olympiakos! We put in €20 million, the Olympic Comity €40 million. We then paid to lease the stadium!! After that we also pay the Greek state 15% of revenues from that stadium after tax!!!!
Now you sir are another corrupt Porto fan. You are getting your lies - first hand!! from a club that plays at a stadium owned by the Greek state for free!!!!!!!! PAO pays €0 to use leoforos despite it being owned by the Greek people!!! The lease for the Leoforos expired in 2012 and when the Mayor of Athens mentioned that, he had his life threatened!!!! That is why Greece is in the state it is financially, PAO steal from the state and no one says anything because they are like Porto!!! Olympiakos pays for its stadium, bought a lease LEGALLY from the Olympic comity!! - pays 15% revenues AFTER TAX for the honour and paid 33% of the construction and this stadium has been our home since the 1920s!! Olympiakos also is responsible for maintenance!!!!
PAO stadium at Leoforos is being stolen by PAO - the council legally voted to make the site a park for the people of Athens!!! but are threatened with violence if they start the demolition... PAO pay €0 to the state for the stolen property. That is the club you get your lies from, you are no better than a Portista. ;D PAO were completely bankrupt last season and should have been relegated by Greek football law for the size of their debts like other Greeks clubs were. What happened? Olympiakos voted to keep PAO up because we believe in CHARITY to mentally damaged people.
summary : Lease = buy.
You don't own the stadium, the state put 66% of public money in it, and you still call it yours.
Great.
Porto too has a academy leasead, look similar.
Go tell these stories to a PAO fan, not to me.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 23 de Maio de 2014, 15:37
summary : Lease = buy.
LIE 1
Reality. Lease = ownership for a specific period.
CitaçãoYou don't own the stadium,
LIE 2
Reality. Lease = ownership for a specific period.
Citaçãothe state put 66% of public money in it,
LIE 3
Reality:
The Olympic Comity put 66% of the money to build the stadium.
90% of the Olympic Comity funds came from the IOC - the International Olympic Comity. Note Greek taxpayers... sorry. :cry2:
Citação
and you still call it yours.
Great.
LIE 4
It is ours until 2052. Than we have to renegotiate with THE OLYMPIC COMITY. :winner:
CitaçãoPorto too has a academy leasead, look similar.
Go tell these stories to a PAO fan, not to me.
I don't give a shit what your corrupt friends at PAO or Porto do, just keep the lies
AWAY from my club. O0 At Olympiakos we do not steal from Greek taxpayers like PAO and Porto, learn that when you dig up a toilet, you end up smelling of shit like has happened here today. :) You had made up facts and suffered.
Ok, keep with your big lie, Lease = ownership.
What you are being doing here for months is what porto fans do at other teams foruns, wash theyr image.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 23 de Maio de 2014, 15:56
Ok, keep with your big lie, Lease = ownership.
A Lease thus consists of Ownership of land for a limited period
http://www.hartpub.co.uk/companion/propertylaw/chapterg1b.pdf
Learn English Portista.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 23 de Maio de 2014, 15:58
What you are being doing here for months is what porto fans do at other teams foruns, wash theyr image.
What you have done is find the club in Greece closest to Porto - Panathinaikos, than condition your mind to their lies, than report them on here like a parrot. You are 3 times removed from reality. :smokin:
All you lies have been dealt with, but keep on lying, clearly you need it just as PAO/Porto fans do.
I still don't get why do you keep conecting me with PAO, but keep with it.
I do not have to learn english to know that lease is not ownership, but that's is your problem who is calling ours to a property wich belong to others.
Calling a Benfica member portista at a Benfica forum is good option no doubt.
The club in greece closest to porto we all know witch is, but keep doing your jog, it's up to you.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 23 de Maio de 2014, 16:12
I still don't get why do you keep conecting me with PAO, but keep with it.
The reason you are connected with PAO and their lies, is because it is their tits you are sucking, right here and that is where you are picking up all your lies:
http://greeksoccer.com/forums/index.php?/topic/365-a-history-of-scandal-scams-and-lies-the-olympiakos-story/page-5
BUSTED T1n0_SLB or should I say, 'Apollo Vaz' ? ;D
Tell them to pay their fucking taxes while your their eh? And perhaps vacate the Leoforo which is owned by the hellenic people. Greek people don't need to be stolen from by your Hellenic /Porto fuck buddies... :crazy2:
Faliro, what you think about manolas?
Keep doing your job mate, it's a team work or somthing?
Citação de: ZICKLER em 23 de Maio de 2014, 16:19
Faliro, what you think about manolas?
I think he is the best player in Greece - by far. Natural Athlete. One of the fastest CB's in Europe and an incredible defender in every respect - arial ability and tackling. Also scores lots of goals.
Superb player. My favorite Greek player for the last 2 years. Was stunning at AEK and even better at OSFP. Made for the Iberian peninsular leagues. Sensational player. Can't speak highly enough about him.
He can pass a ball to a player who is more than 10 metres from him?
Faliro, Olympiakos defend zone or man-to-man?
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Maio de 2014, 16:21
Citação de: ZICKLER em 23 de Maio de 2014, 16:19
Faliro, what you think about manolas?
I think he is the best player in Greece - by far. Natural Athlete. One of the fastest CB's in Europe and an incredible defender in every respect - arial ability and tackling. Also scores lots of goals.
Superb player. My favorite Greek player for the last 2 years. Was stunning at AEK and even better at OSFP. Made for the Iberian peninsular leagues. Sensational player. Can't speak highly enough about him.
What you think about a possible Benfica move? How much would be needed for Olympiacos accept the deal?
Citação de: PsychoFan em 23 de Maio de 2014, 16:24
Faliro, Olympiakos defend zone or man-to-man?
Man to man.
Citação de: Reed em 23 de Maio de 2014, 16:31
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Maio de 2014, 16:21
Citação de: ZICKLER em 23 de Maio de 2014, 16:19
Faliro, what you think about manolas?
I think he is the best player in Greece - by far. Natural Athlete. One of the fastest CB's in Europe and an incredible defender in every respect - arial ability and tackling. Also scores lots of goals.
Superb player. My favorite Greek player for the last 2 years. Was stunning at AEK and even better at OSFP. Made for the Iberian peninsular leagues. Sensational player. Can't speak highly enough about him.
What you think about a possible Benfica move? How much would be needed for Olympiacos accept the deal?
I would be extremely sad to see him leave - he is irreplaceable and every year he stays is more about how much Marinakis pays to keep him. Also the fact that he is Greek has helped hugely. If he was Brazilian he would already be in La Liga by now on a big contract.. Greeks are seen more as risky deals and therefore don't get top dollar so to speak.
I think anything over €8 million Marinakis would be tempted. Perhaps even less, though I would be shocked. However, he is worth far more. He really is a blue a chip player, never makes mistakes, great passer, exceptionally fast - never out run.... If you keep him for a year, and sell you will already make a huge profit as Benfica has such a good reputation. I know many clubs this season and last have inquired about him. He demands first team football however and also wants a famous club.. So far Everton, Fulham, Sunderland, Arsenal (apparently made an offer), Liverpool, Bayern etc have all spoken to his agent. He famously refused Everton out of hand two years ago. Last week Manchester United and Juventus were linked to him.
I think he could become a cult player at Benfica, however you already have quite a nice defence.. so do you really need him? Have you heard something i havent??
Benfica will sell Garay to Zenit.
It's probably just speculation.
I will be extremely pissed off if there is anything behind the speculation. However.. I have never bought a football shirt other than Barcelona or Olympiakos. I would easily get a Benfica one with Manolas on the back. If there is any truth behind it, I am sure Karagounis and Katsouranis will sell it to him, both loved their time at Benfica.
He would be only the 5th greek wearing our sacred shirt.
The fist one, Machairidis, had a very poor performance. Awful player.
The other 3 were ok, no more. Fyssas was great in the 2004 cup final and the only one who was Champion around here.
Citação de: PsychoFan em 23 de Maio de 2014, 18:07
It's probably just speculation.
I also think it's just speculation really.
we've Lisandro, which did a pretty good 1st season in Europe
for 3rd CB we got Jardel, and Luisão will still do at least 1 more year at good level, so...
we've Siqueira and Silvio to buy, or at least one of them... I'd rather see Benfica spending money on them.
Benfica will not buy Silvio, and Siqueira I have my doubts, will see, if it was me, I wouldn't buy him.
On CB's we have Mitrovic and Sidnei. One of them will stay in the squad next season. If not... we have Benfica B.
Citaçãogreat passer, exceptionally fast - never out run
That's what we need to replace Garay.
Citação de: pcssousa em 23 de Maio de 2014, 18:22
He would be only the 5th greek wearing our sacred shirt.
The fist one, Machairidis, had a very poor performance. Awful player.
The other 3 were ok, no more. Fyssas was great in the 2004 cup final and the only one who was Champion around here.
Katsouranis was an highly respected player at Benfica. His first season was absolutely amazing. Was way above the "OK" level.
Citação de: Schweisen Tiger em 23 de Maio de 2014, 21:37
Citação de: pcssousa em 23 de Maio de 2014, 18:22
He would be only the 5th greek wearing our sacred shirt.
The fist one, Machairidis, had a very poor performance. Awful player.
The other 3 were ok, no more. Fyssas was great in the 2004 cup final and the only one who was Champion around here.
Katsouranis was an highly respected player at Benfica. His first season was absolutely amazing. Was way above the "OK" level.
OK overall. Very good first season, but that's it.
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Maio de 2014, 18:10
I will be extremely pissed off if there is anything behind the speculation. However.. I have never bought a football shirt other than Barcelona or Olympiakos. I would easily get a Benfica one with Manolas on the back. If there is any truth behind it, I am sure Karagounis and Katsouranis will sell it to him, both loved their time at Benfica.
Really? Not surprised about Katsouranis, but had no idea Karagounis loved this place so much.
Santos, Katsouranis and Karagounis make up the unholy alliance between Greece and Portugal. They are best friends - I would not be surprised if right now they are all in a bar somewhere laughing together. I am not sure but I think probably katsouranis and Santos quit smoking together years ago.. that bond has never died.. :confused:
The reason more Greeks have not played in Portugal is simply the agents. most Greek players have the same agent and that is why they always play for the same teams and go to the same countries. Italy... Genoa, Milan, Roma.. Germany - any club.. rarely they go to England.. rarely Spain, rarely Portugal, rarely France... the truth is, deep down there is very little talent in Greece football wise. I could fill a whole forum of greek player's names who are not good enough to play for Benfica - the players that are good enough? 1 line..
Karagounis was a fantastic player. Incredible skills, very hard to stole him the ball, a warrior. Too bad it was just two years. I loved him.
Katso was different. More classy, good header. I liked him alot in the first year, like every benfiquista, but what he did in the following seasons I don't forget. Most part of benfiquistas forgot what he did.
Fyssas won a cup and scored a goal against oporto in the final. I also liked him.
About Manolas, I don't know him, but despite it's quality, I don't think Benfica could or want to pay 9M€ for a CB.
I don't think you need him either. You could probably get him cheaper if there is a cut up of his sell on rights. I will be honest, I don't want him to go anywhere. There is no one close to his talent anywhere in the Balkans in that position.
Manolas and Sokratis will also probably be badly exposed this world cup if Santos puts katsouranis and Maniatis in front for protection - which he most likely will. I have not seen a forward outrun Manolas since he came to Olympiakos - internationally or in europe/Greece - but a poor world cup, will certainly lower his price.
On a depressing note, it seems the EPO is looking towards Sa Pinto for next national coach.
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Maio de 2014, 13:10
On a depressing note, it seems the EPO is looking towards Sa Pinto for next national coach.
That's just sad.
OFI who said goodbye to Sa Pinto.. just got Gattuso as manager!
Another 3 month job for him.
hahahaha!! He will love it in crete!! ;D
Gattuso will become a cult figure in Crete.
He would, his advisers told him Greece would be a step back in his career, so he decided to stay away from crete despite agreeing with the president.
OFI now will look to the 'Iberian peninsular' for their next coach.
In other news, Ranieri is now favorite for the Greek national team.
"Benfica? Olympiakos won't let me talk" - Manolas
Whe use to say Where there's smoke, there's fire.....
Interesting isn't it?
Inter have inquired and so have Sevilla (they might sell Fazio). I hope he stays personally, for a least one more season. Siovas is also a good defender, about 70% as good as Manolas, but after that, we have no one. Avram is finished since his injury.
Avraam is finished?
Isn't he still in his mid twenties?
He was very good up until 2012 when he blew out his knee, tore his ACL to pieces and was out 8 months. When he returned, he looked half the player. Some doctors told him to retire, he worked hard and came back, but he looks a liability now.
I've just checked.
He's still 29 years old. It's a shame.
Karnezis looks set to go to Sporting. He was at Granada this year.
Zagorakis became an MEP last week.
George Anatolakis, former Olympiakos defender, now an official in the ministry of Education.
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Junho de 2014, 22:50
Karnezis looks set to go to Sporting. He was at Granada this year.
Zagorakis became an MEP last week.
George Anatolakis, former Olympiakos defender, now an official in the ministry of Education.
wait...what?
yea, crazy. On the plus side he is right wing so hopefully less Stalin worship in Greece schools.
Ranieri is now favorite to take over Greece.
I'm glad I didn't watch the match between us two on Saturday, Faliro. Came to see the highlights later on and the first half had only two moments represented, must've been a hell of a game, haha!
I'm done with watching our national team playing silly games with Paulo Bento on command. While I recognize we usually play good on the competitions, our qualification phases and friendlies are always some of the worst matches of the year. In the end it's two hours of life we've lost, where we could've been doing something so much interesting. The team that played against Hellas Saturday, would be lucky to come out of the game against Germany with less than a handful of goals conceded.
Yea. I can say that Portugal can always have a chance to do something special.
With Greece, I simply can't imagine it unless we have a different team/coach.
I was surprised to see Bruno Alves start, will he start your big games?
Unfortunately, I think he will pair with Pepe for the World Cup on most games or at least at the most important ones, yeah. I'd like to see for example José Fonte, who apparently did a pretty good season on the EPL with Southampton, have a go with it, since I don't like Burro Alves (small wordplay I like to make, since Burro means Donkey/Dumb in Portuguese, haha), nor Ricardo Costa or Rolando, who I think are all pretty average/mediocre, especially compared with Pepe.
Actually, on the weekend I saw a resume of Portugal Qualification Campaign and there were at least 2 or 3 goals we've conceded on corner kicks, where Burro Alves didn't even jump and just followed the ball with his eyes going to the head of the adversary next to him, and into the goal.
The thing is, we don't have a great team at all, I mean, look at our Front Sector:
Postiga? Hugo Almeida? Even Éder is yet to impress me... Also, Meireles, Varela, Veloso and Nani are guys that could start on the initial squad and are currently players that don't make the difference at all and have been underperforming on the national team for years!
My confidence is based on the performances of Pepe, Fábio Coentrão, Moutinho and Ronaldo. If these guys appear in top shape and Patrício doesn't suffer any brain aneurysm, we might have a slight chance of holding in competition longer than expected.
If you were manager, what team would you start?
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Junho de 2014, 13:51
If you were manager, what team would you start?
My Team
R.Patricio
J.Pereira(unfortunately Silvio broke the leg)
Pepe
B.Alves
F.Coentrão
M.Veloso(some games William)
Tiago
Moutinho
Nani
Ronaldo
Éder
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Junho de 2014, 13:51
If you were manager, what team would you start?
My starting eleven would be something around these lines:
GK:Patrício
Defenders:-Fábio Coentrão
-Pepe
-José Fonte/Ricardo Costa
(Like I said JF had a pretty good season in the EPL; Don't like RC but he's currently better than Burro Alves and Rolando)-João Pereira
(Pretty average, but does his job and there ain't a better option currently for his place, except for Sílvio who broke his leg recently)Midfielders:-William Carvalho/Tiago
(WC is a good newcomer, with an excellent season behind and possible future world class and Tiago had a great season at Atlético Madrid)-João Moutinho
-Danny
(Paulo Bento doesn't like his face, that's why he isn't on the team, even though he's a great player and had a pretty good season)Forwards:-Cristiano Ronaldo
-Éder/Postiga/Almeida
(Éder hasn't convinced me yet, though it had a good season; Postiga and Almeida are just really average and "brickfooted")-Varela/Nani/Vieirinha/Rafa
(Big problem here... Varela is a quite mediocre player, but somehow scores every once in a while; Nani used to be a great player, now he's absolutely horrid; Vieirinha is a decent winger but never really does anything spectacular; Rafa isn't even a winger, but had a better season than the other three, with plenty of goals and assists, perhaps he could get adapted to the position?)
The thing is...
If Paulo Bento was an ambitious guy, who really had the confidence and belief that he could win something at the competition, he would swallow his pride and bring Tiago and Danny to the team. Unfortunately, he's just like Benfica's coach, a stubborn son of a bitch who won't forgive any past event or won't put you into the team if he doesn't get along with your face.
The difference is that Jorge Jesus gets the team playing and winning, whereas Paulo Bento makes horrid football games, who sometimes end well because of individualities.
If Carlos Mané or Ivan Cavaleiro were a bit more experienced, maybe they could get their chances at the winger position, but they haven't played enough time in the past season and are still very green.
In my opinion Portugal must play in 4-4-2.
My 11: Patrício, Amorim/Almeida, Pepe, Neto, Coentrão, William, Moutinho, Nani, Vierinha, Ronaldo, Postiga/Éder.
Mané is better than Rafa for example. Danny should be in the team too.
He might be, he might not be. After all Mané is a Winger and Rafa is not, but Rafa appears to be a lot more mature and counscious tactically. However I can accept a 4-4-2 formation as well, depending on the players.
Portugal have to play like Real Madrid, as JJ said.
Citação de: PsychoFan em 03 de Junho de 2014, 14:37
Mané is better than Rafa for example. Danny should be in the team too.
Dear god. :estrelas: :estrelas:
Citação de: PsychoFan em 03 de Junho de 2014, 14:37
Mané is better than Rafa for example. Danny should be in the team too.
SAY NO TO DRUGS
Well, that's my opinion. Rafa has good feet but decision making is very poor, and Mané in that aspect is far better, and being that the most important attribute in modern football, I say Mané is better than Rafa. Both have great potential. And no, I don't say no to drugs, eheh.
Rafa has the potential to become a very good midfielder but he's still not on that level.
Danny delivers in Russia and would be an interesting option for the squad but, truth be told, he never played that good when playing for the NT.
In other news, OFI definitely got Gattuso. Quite amazed really how that small club gets these players/coaches.
I like to smoke pot.
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Aka, do you think PAO could do the same thing Boavista did with theirs due to lack of space?
Boavista looks the image of the Independencia in Belo Horizonte.
PAO will be playing in that shit hole forever..
unless.. dun dun daaa!! :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9718/leoforos.jpg)
On a serious not they are going to add 5000 to the capacity by expanding a little.. but of course not with their own money... and now the communists are in power locally, not even that will happen.. getting money from that lot is like try to get water from a stone..
(http://content-mcdn.sentragoal.gr/filesystem/images/20140429/low/pegasus_LARGE_t_1041_106261214.JPG)
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 06 de Junho de 2014, 20:12
Aka, do you think PAO could do the same thing Boavista did with theirs due to lack of space?
Nem o AEK.
Mas há espaço para isso?
Dificilmente. O Bessa não está tão apertado quanto isso. A única solução seria ter os segundos anéis das centrais mesmo por cima da rua. Mas para quê uma merda dessas?
Mourinho in Mykonos on holiday currently:
(http://en.protothema.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/z49-820x418.jpg)
End of an era for Greece, I think Holland should easily dispatch Costa Rica (whose women looked very sexy at the stadium).
At least Santos is not your manager anymore.
Yes, he is gone. We have Ranieri now.
Karagounis may retire now at 37.
Salpi will have to be pushed out. I think he may try and keep his place, he is 32.
katsouranis at 35 will have to be aborted, he wont go willingly - even though the petition for him not to see the pitch today got over 110,000 likes.
Gekas at 34 may have to be dropped.
A lot will depend on how brave Ranieri is. The Euro quals are not far away.
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Junho de 2014, 01:07
Yes, he is gone. We have Ranieri now.
Karagounis may retire now at 37.
Salpi will have to be pushed out. I think he may try and keep his place, he is 32.
katsouranis at 35 will have to be aborted, he wont go willingly - even though the petition for him not to see the pitch today got over 110,000 likes.
Gekas at 34 may have to be dropped.
A lot will depend on how brave Ranieri is. The Euro quals are not far away.
Ranieri is a next coach of Greece? Confirmed?
Btw, Manolas will be world class.
I think he is already world class. I rarely say that. His speed alone is astonishing. We need to check his passport again I think. Greek players are not usually as well rounded as he is. He has everything.
Citação de: cipri_slb em 30 de Junho de 2014, 01:09
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Junho de 2014, 01:07
Yes, he is gone. We have Ranieri now.
Karagounis may retire now at 37.
Salpi will have to be pushed out. I think he may try and keep his place, he is 32.
katsouranis at 35 will have to be aborted, he wont go willingly - even though the petition for him not to see the pitch today got over 110,000 likes.
Gekas at 34 may have to be dropped.
A lot will depend on how brave Ranieri is. The Euro quals are not far away.
Ranieri is a next coach of Greece? Confirmed?
Yes
The league this year will be the weakest league I can remember.
No, AEK, Larissa, Aris, Iraklis, Apollon, etc.
Asteras Tripoli Tripoli Theodoros Kolokotronis Stadium 7,616
Atromitos Peristeri Stadium 10,200
Ergotelis Heraklion Pankritio Stadium 25,780
Kalloni Mytilene Mytilene Municipal Stadium 4,000
Kerkyra Corfu Kerkyra Stadium 2,776
Levadiakos Livadeia Levadia Municipal Stadium 6,500
OFI Heraklion Theodoros Vardinogiannis Stadium 9,088
Olympiacos Piraeus Karaiskakis Stadium 32,115
Niki Volos Volos Panthessaliko Stadium 22,700
Panathinaikos Athens Apostolos Nikolaidis Stadium 16,118
Panetolikos Agrinio Panetolikos Stadium 6,500
Panionios Athens Nea Smyrni Stadium 11,700
Panthrakikos Komotini Komotini Municipal Stadium 6,198
P.A.O.K. Thessaloniki Toumba Stadium 28,703
PAS Giannina Ioannina Zosimades Stadium 7,652
Platanias Chania Perivolia Municipal Stadium 4,000
Skoda Xanthi Xanthi Skoda Xanthi Arena 7,361
Veria Veria Veria Stadium 7,000
I think 18 teams is too much for you league
The more games the better!
Ronaldo eating in Mykonos last night:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0we93hjgm8
Faliro, when is that Olympiacos gives hypotheses to others?
Dont understand?
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Julho de 2014, 21:23
Dont understand?
He's trying to say "When is Olympiacos giving other teams a chance?"
I think 18 is too much cause many of those teams does not have capacity for a premier league, you'll have more game but with less quality.
Yes the amount of teams is a very interesting point and one that touches leagues such as the top league in Portugal and Switzerland.
I am for 18 teams in the Greek league for many reasons, although soon it will go back to 16 like two years ago because the EPO only extented it to 18 to avoid court cases with clubs who had the right to be in the Super League. They simply expanded it to make all the teams happy.
The reasons i believe 18 teams is important is the following.
1/ Greece does not have B teams. There are plenty of youth players who get 0 minutes. However, the longer the season - the more injuries and the more other players can show what they can do. The league becomes more severe and brings out and gives time to players who may not have been seen.
2/ Greece is usually caught with its pants down when the CL starts. Others have already begun their league and they play a Greek team in a crunch game and our league has not even started. 18 teams forced our league to start earlier like other leagues which helps in early European games, which Greek teams are always involved in.
3/ Even a low quality Greek game has some bizarre moments and I watch football not only for great play, but riots, weirdness, to see any potential new player who was hidden before and incidents.
4/ I like the idea of Greek teams playing more games rather than less. I believe even in the low quality games, their is experience to be gained.
Concerning Olympiakos giving other teams a chance. No way, not while marinakis is in charge, he wants to win everything. He will not help PAO and AEK as long as they make up lies daily about the team from piraeus.
Marinakis is the president who lost his wife to the coach?
Edit*
That never happened imo.
However the rumour with Antzas was true...
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Julho de 2014, 22:48
Edit*
That never happened imo.
However the rumour with Antzas was true...
Doesn't matter. We'd rather believe it happened. It's funnier that way :smokin:
Citação de: Festivus em 03 de Julho de 2014, 23:01
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Julho de 2014, 22:48
Edit*
That never happened imo.
However the rumour with Antzas was true...
Doesn't matter. We'd rather believe it happened. It's funnier that way :smokin:
(http://sites.euroimpala.pt/cache/bin.aspx?idfile=XPQUQowXX167794pNpAsNJhx9ZKU.jpg)
:whistle2: :whistle2:
Citação de: cipri_slb em 03 de Julho de 2014, 23:11
Citação de: Festivus em 03 de Julho de 2014, 23:01
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Julho de 2014, 22:48
Edit*
That never happened imo.
However the rumour with Antzas was true...
Doesn't matter. We'd rather believe it happened. It's funnier that way :smokin:
(http://sites.euroimpala.pt/cache/bin.aspx?idfile=XPQUQowXX167794pNpAsNJhx9ZKU.jpg)
:whistle2: :whistle2:
Can you blame him?
Dimitris Pelkas to Setubal on loan, good player.
I don't know what's happening with Setúbal.
Probably Jorge Mendes is pulling the strings, such weird signings.
Bayern goalkeeper, a Brazilian hot prospect, midfielder from Peru's National Team and now Pelkas.
This season Braga has already "splashed" 20M in signings..
20 million??????????????? Insane...
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Julho de 2014, 16:31
20 million??????????????? Insane...
Jorge Mendes...
Braga had 25% of Diego Costa future fee, Rafa(one of our big hopes) was bought 50% as well by Mendes. I bet he received the money of Costa, payed nothing for Rafa and in exchange "gave" 3 wonderkids he already owned to Braga...
He rules Mónaco, Atlético, Zenit, Valência and is very influential in Real, Benfica(....), Porto, Chelsea and in other minor clubs.
If you're against him you're simply screwed, look at Sporting for example.
Personally, I hate him, if a player signs for him you know you're not gonna hold him for long enough, he will do whatever it takes to sell him.
One of the richest guys in Portugal nowadays.
Sounds like a clever businessman!
Kapino to Sporting
Just read on Sport fm it is now off.
IMO he is not a good keeper.
Faliro I like your body.
And Jotenko, I love yours...
Asteras Tripoli start their European campaign in an hour. Good luck to the Arcadians. Going for their first ever win in Europe.
Ended 1-1.
I really hope the game was fixed. The asteras coach and 1-2 players almost seemed to be trying to make sure the score stays at 1-1/ The coach simply can't be that stupid... taking off Bakasetas, allowing Goian - even Usero to play 91 mins... neither wanted to pass forward... was a disgrace.
Asteras finally won their first game, 4-2. They are through to next europa round.
They have two exceptional young talents in their team.
One is Dimitris Kourbelis, defender, 20 years old, 6'0 - he scored today. Asteras are waiting to sell him for big money having turned down offers last year.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Dimitris_Kourbelis.jpg)
The other is a striker - also scored today called Bakasetas. Another player that will be big. He is also 21. 6'1.
(http://www.athleticradio.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/bakasetas.jpg)
So Faliro, you hired Ranieri as your new national team coach?
We did, he signed today for two years.
€800,000 per year.
Was interesting, before he signed he said he is going to change everything - that made the fans want him. After signing today he said he was impressed with how we played in the World Cup and said.. he wont change the core... :2funny:
Bielsa was the one we needed. We got an old Italian instead who got a great retirement package.
Poor Greece can't have any luck in picking good leaders for anything these days.
Greek leaders?
The last ones who actually improved anything were Perikles and Themistokles. Perhaps Kolokotronis too..
Since then it has been self serving pieces of shit who have damaged Greece and Greek people with lies and low intelligence.
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Julho de 2014, 20:52
Greek leaders?
The last ones who actually improved anything were Perikles and Themistokles. Perhaps Kolokotronis too..
Since then it has been self serving pieces of shit who have damaged Greece and Greek people with lies and low intelligence.
Same shit here, I'm afraid. So yea, I can empathize.
There's not a single Portuguese politician I've liked. I'm one of those people who find most politicians to be selfish shitheads who are only looking for power. This is why I don't even bother following politics. Left-wing and right-wing are two sides of the same coin.
Its tragic.
When you read about Perikles, you have a window into an human who wished beyond all things for the success of his city.
99% of politicians are corrupt, nasty and full of shit. What amazes me more than anything is people who vote them in each time.
The good news is many of the older generation are dying off. They were the ones who would vote and keep the system strong.
Every year less people vote... that is a good thing...
I used to be an idealist, then I leaned to the right. Now I am just an anarchist.
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Julho de 2014, 22:46
Its tragic.
When you read about Perikles, you have a window into an human who wished beyond all things for the success of his city.
99% of politicians are corrupt, nasty and full of shit. What amazes me more than anything is people who vote them in each time.
The good news is many of the older generation are dying off. They were the ones who would vote and keep the system strong.
Every year less people vote... that is a good thing...
Isn't voting compulsory in Greece, though? What happens to those who abstain anyway? Do they get fined or something?
Here, abstention rates are usually pretty high.
Not sure, I am not a greek citizen. ::)
I know in Brazil not voting is a big deal and must be done.
In the UK, hardly anyone votes anymore. It makes no difference if you do or don't both to you and the country.
In Greece most people vote for the party that promises the best state pension... Greek politicians are vile, just like English ones. Both sell out their country daily and despise the people they pretend to represent.
Oh, so you weren't born in Greece?
People here usually end up voting for the same ones. It's like they don't learn from their mistakes. They just complain and then end up voting for the same parties and people.
My grandfather was Greek.
The rest is Catalan, Austrian, English.
The good news is that voting goes down each year. Each new generation trusts politicians less and votes less.
What are the best prospects in the Greek league(ages 18-23)?
Some exceptional ones imo:
Kostas Manolas - already discussed at length.
Fetfatzidis - already discussed at length.
Giannis Gianniotas - 21, very good attacking midfielder, controls the game, being wasted at Fortuna in Germany.
Stafylidis (Fulham) 20, incredible left back. Starter, exceptional strength, crossing, speed and goal scoring ability.
Andreas Bouxalakis (OSFP) Huge talent, 21 years old, 6'1. Midfielder.
Goal yesterday against Milan- sensational: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a2oh4be8Fg
(http://www.conmebol.com/sites/default/files/field/image/malis_bakary_nimaga_l_vies_with_greeces_andreas_bouchalakis_during_the_group_stage_football_match_between_mali_and_greece_at_the_fifa_under_20_world_cup.jpg)
Diamantakos (OSFP), 21 years old, 6'1, big future. Striker.
(http://www.ergotelis.gr/upload_images//players_photos/men/2013-2014/diamantakos.jpg)
Nikos Vergos, 18 years old, 6'0 Striker - Great player already. (OSFP)
Kolovos 21 years old, 5'11 (OSFP) Attacking mid. Very clever and strong.
Dimitris Kourbelis, Asteras. defender, 20 years old, 6'0. Asteras are waiting to sell him for big money having turned down offers from the premiership last year.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Dimitris_Kourbelis.jpg)
Bakasetas. Asteras. Another player that will be big. He is also 21. 6'1. Striker.
(http://www.athleticradio.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/bakasetas.jpg)
Nice list. Vergos looks good and still so young, I guess he won't get much game time this year though? Olympiakos controls everything I see. Any standout players from the minor teams that will make a leap this year?
How is the economic situation at other clubes? Any light at the end of the tunnel for the rival teams? And about basketaball, are there still big budgets at greek teams? I assume Olympiakos is still strong(since they challenge in Europe), how about PAO and others?
How are the clubs funded, private money from their rich owners?
Cheers.
I will answer the first last.
All clubs in Greece by law have to have an amateur element, however, no one really cares about this anymore. Every now and again and cheap owner will try and sell the fans shares in their own club to make some more money - like PAO. However the majority of clubs simply have a rich/semi rich owner. The exception is Aris which is owned by its fans.
Asteras is an interesting case. It seems the owners may use the club to clean money. The owner/s Bakos and friends, have spent a fortune since they came up, but is it their money? is it some arab behind the scenes? We may never know. One or two other clubs did have mafia style criminals running them. One such man is Big Mac, (Makis Psomiadis) who was a mafioso, owned night clubs - and was in charge of AEK and Kavala. He is in jail now.
The economic situation is bad in Greece among the majority of clubs, but in a positive way it has finally forced clubs to rely on their academies. No matter how shit the situation is, Greece has always produced excellent youth players, who would later become nothings thanks to the systems of hierarchy and experience being favoured over raw ability in Greece. However lately - the last year or so, we are seeing many youth players being allowed minutes the super league and they are thriving.
As for rival teams, PAO has little hope, it is controlled by man who doesn't undertand football and spends extremely little. AEK has light, if they get promoted this season. Their owner spends and has won the league before with them. He has a massive vision. Other clubs that I hope are promoted are Larissa and Aris. Both have good stadiums and fans. The problem has always been their propensity to select rubbish players.
Olympiakos and PAO Basketball teams are owned by exceptionally wealthy people. They will always spend big and be successful. The others have financial problems. PAOK however are trying to re-establish themselves as a big player. Most of the Greek Basketball talent emerges from the smaller teams who are actually quite good.
As for Vergos, he is a talent. We were down on strikers last year due to injury and we gave him some minutes in the league against Asteras. He had just turned 18. He scored almost immediately. He is definitely talented. The problem is, there are a few strikers ahead of him. Diamantikos, was already playing at Ergotelis last season, is older and will probably get a chance. Vergos will either be loaned (because the EPO still has not allowed B teams) or will continue in the youth team.
The reason Olympicos has the best youth is because we scout them from everywhere and have the best acadmies. If you look to where we got the players or where they were actually born, few are actually from anywhere near Piraeus:
Kostas Manolas -Born in Naxos. Came late to Olympiakos after playing for AEK.
Fetfatzidis - From Drama, northern Greece.
Andreas Bouxalakis From Crete.
Diamantakos from Piraeus.
Nikos Vergos, Kilkis, norther Greece.
etc..
Olympaicos simply takes the best players from everywhere/everyone else.
I cannot think of any other players of big talent besides two owned by PAOK, Koulouris (Striker, 18 - very talented - already better than anyother striker in the club with more goals to minutes than anyone else) and Stelios Kitsiou, right back and already a starter at 20.
It needs to be mentioned that it seems the majority of talented players seem to emerge from clubs such as Panionios. They allow their youth players to play whole seasons in the top league and as a result they simply produce a huge amount of talented players.
As for break out years. I think perhaps kourbelis of asteras and possibly Bakasetas of the same club. A lot depends on whether the clubs allow the youth to play or who they are loaned to. PAO sometimes lets their youth play, but the wrong ones... they let a player called Risvanis play 15 games for them last season and he was a disaster.
Thanks for the comprehensive reply. Very interesting read.
It always fascinated me how Greece was so strong in basketball at club level, paying huge salaries and in football, while understanding that Olympiakos had some high paid players, they were never like a Galatasaray or a clube like that, that were splashing big money around. Basketball and football are independent from each other on the clubs management in Greece? Looking at the dreadful state of the football team of PAO and then seeing that they still have a good roster and a top coach in their basketball team, I assume that they're independent?
What is the balance of sports popularity in Greece. Basketball is that strong? It must hurt PAO fans that they are in such a sorry state, while in basketball they even managed to win the Euroleague two or three years ago.
I'll keep an eye out for those youngsters this season. If they get minutes, I'll try to watch some games.
Considering how dominant Olympiakos has been for so many years, shouldn't you have had more success in Europe? It must get boring to beat everyone in Greece and by midseason already having the league wrapped up.
Citação de: mrkx em 26 de Julho de 2014, 17:37
Thanks for the comprehensive reply. Very interesting read.
It always fascinated me how Greece was so strong in basketball at club level, paying huge salaries and in football, while understanding that Olympiakos had some high paid players, they were never like a Galatasaray or a clube like that, that were splashing big money around. Basketball and football are independent from each other on the clubs management in Greece?
Yes, the Basketball departments of Greek clubs are separate and unrelated financially.
CitaçãoLooking at the dreadful state of the football team of PAO and then seeing that they still have a good roster and a top coach in their basketball team, I assume that they're independent?
100% correct
It is owned by the Giannakopoulos family who are very wealthy. That is why they can buy big players. Their arena is one of the finest in Europe and their team is the most successful European basketball team only behind real Madrid .
CitaçãoWhat is the balance of sports popularity in Greece. Basketball is that strong? It must hurt PAO fans that they are in such a sorry state, while in basketball they even managed to win the Euroleague two or three years ago.
Can you believe when i was a kid basketball was the biggest sport in Greece? It only changed at the end of the 90's.
After the Greek national team won Euro basket in 87 I think it was, the Greek government was extremely clever (the only time in history). They forced every school in Greece to build a basketball court. That helped cement the sport in the minds of Greeks. Greeks make exceptionally good basketball players because of their size and strength and have always adored the sport. Towards the end of the 90's football became the dominant sport in Greece, but basketball holds almost a mystical place in the Greek mind. Greeks are also fascinated with the NBA.
As for PAO fans being hurt. They are emotionally and psychologically scared at how shit they have been the last decades. All this however has been from lack of investment. The one year they spent more than Olympiakos on players (bought players like Cisse etc..) - they won the league easily.
CitaçãoConsidering how dominant Olympiakos has been for so many years, shouldn't you have had more success in Europe? It must get boring to beat everyone in Greece and by midseason already having the league wrapped up.
The problem was the competition was so weak. Olympiakos would spend between 10 - 30 million on players, PAO and AEK - 7 million combined... Beating the league was simple, Europe was hard. However for me the biggest damage was that Olympiakos always found itself in the CL. I believe if we had always been only in the europa we may... have made a final by now.
Are you an agent?
Tomorrow, perhaps the biggest vote in parliament in years concerning Greek football.
It is the vote for the law allowing AEK to rebuild their stadium/ Articles 81 and 82 of the bill for the new master plan Attica.
The communists who have sought to block the project from day one came out with some classic lines today - 'we do not accept lessons in patriotism' - no shit... 'there is no difference btween 27,000 seats and 33,000'
ANEL party (right wing) declaration summarized, hilarious. ''There is AEK is AEKara. AEK are entitled stadium. The Government is not entitled to have them split up in New Philadelphia. SYRIZA (communists) albeit with vazelo president ruined the stadium project of PAO in Votanikos. And so was the Leoforos ruined. Leveled Votanikos for the mosque however and they have no complaints and block nothing!! Tomorrow we will tell you more about the stadium of AEK. Just think about why we do not like direct democracy? Referendum. The AEK must obtain Stadium. Like PAO. Modern stadiums, as Olympiacos'.
oh alas, what a dream could Hellas have been without pseudo communism... :buck2:
Elder Barbosa to AEK.
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Julho de 2014, 13:36
Elder Barbosa to AEK.
Used to be a promising player. Yet, it didn't turn out to be anything else... just a promise.
should find the second division in Greece easy.
Yeah, he deserved better. He's a first division player.
-off topic
Where we can discuss about Benfica in english?
Just check 6 topics below this one or here is the link.
http://serbenfiquista.com/forum/english-board/topic-of-sport-lisboa-e-benfica/
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/BEth/article2953388.ece/BINARY/w620/fff.JPG)
Barbosa first interview:
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Aek/mparmpoza_tha_epistrepsoyme_ekei_poy_anhkoyme.2953384.html
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Julho de 2014, 13:36
Elder Barbosa to AEK.
Don't know if it was on purpose but....it fits :2funny:
PAO got permission to add another 5000 seats to Leoforos, with ...public money.. :buck2:
So taxpayers will pay for renovation, the new stadium will go from this:
(http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/10013597.jpg)
to this in the next year:
(http://panathinaikos24.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/maketa-leoforos.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Paostadium.jpg)
Great victory for Asteras yesterday!
Huge. If you look at the two teams and think up until last week Asteras had never won a game in Europe - they were not even in the top league in Greece anytime in their history up until a few years ago, it is a massive massive victory. They also sabotaged themselves by not playing Bakesetas (their best striker) hardly at all in the tie because he is set to join Panionios. So they were without a striker got most the two games as the other one, Barrales was injured.
Mainz:
Population of city: 200,000
Squad value: £57 million
Stadium: 34,000 seats
Position at the end of last season: 7th
Asteras:
Population of city: 47,000
Squad value: £14 million
Stadium: 7600 seats
Position at the end of last season: 4th
What do you think about Orestis Karnezis?
Crap at penalties, can bet your house he wont save one.
Good in the air, good with crosses. However, nothing special imo. OK at shot stopping.
Perhaps he can improve?
6/10.
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Agosto de 2014, 16:05
Crap at penalties, can bet your house he wont save one.
Good in the air, good with crosses. However, nothing special imo. OK at shot stopping.
Perhaps he can improve?
6/10.
I hope he can improve, possibly be our goalkeeper this season.
You want him as first choice or second?
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Agosto de 2014, 17:01
You want him as first choice or second?
Probably as first option
He is not accident prone. He will save all the obvious shots. He doesn't spill often.
What pissed me off about him is every now again he would let one in for the NT I think he should have been better positioned for.
I think if you get him, he can improve with increased responsibility.
Our current goalkeeper is terrible, he literally is the unsafest GK I remember.
Every cross/crap shot can be a goal situation.
It won't be hard for Karnezis to grab the position.
Thanks for your insight O0
Vitor might be leaving PAOK.
Vitor did not follow directions during yesterday's practice and when Anastasiadis (the brain-dead moronic Greek coach) questioned him, Vitor talked back and as a result he was sent home from the practice. He was kicking the lockers and swearing as he left. Tzavellas (another dickhead) had some issues with Tziolis (who is a shit player), and Anastasiadis had few words for him, which he did not like.
Today, both players were asked to apologize in front of all the players. Tzavellas did, but Vitor did not and apparently had few more aggressive words towards the coach. As a result the coach sent Vitor to the front office to deal with the matter. In the end it was decided that both players will not join the team for the trip to Moldova for the Europa Cup game.
Aris agreed to be sent to the third division to clear their debts.. wont be seeing them again for a while.. Shame, great fans.
I've been searching and I believe that Seitaridis, right back, had a transfer fee of 10M to Dinamo Moscow, when he left Oporto. So that makes, Seitaridis, Samaris, Mitrogolu and if it goes through Manolas, as greek players whose transfers moved more than 10M.
Yes, true. The list was only how much a Greek clubs have sold players for.
I've been searching, because, someone was saying or asking the number of greek players transfered for more than 10M. The question was not directly related to the Greek League, was related to Greek players in general.
Very few.
Manolas
Mitroglou
Samaris
Giourkas
I think that is it.
Sokratis was also 10M and Machlas cost was 8,5M to Ajax, season 99/00
http://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/transferrekorde?saison_id=alle&land_id=56&ausrichtung=&spielerposition_id=&altersklasse=
Citação de: KBMASTER em 26 de Agosto de 2014, 01:20
Sokratis was also 10M and Machlas cost was 8,5M to Ajax, season 99/00
http://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/transferrekorde?saison_id=alle&land_id=56&ausrichtung=&spielerposition_id=&altersklasse=
ok.. think you are right, didn't think he got that much.. 5 players in total.
Call ups by Ranieri. 6 CBs! :huh: No Katsouranis/Gekas/Tzavellas/Tziolis! :clap1: Diamantakos first call. No Ninis (no club) No Fetfatzidis (injured). Not one player from PAO!! :bow2:
Karnezis Udinese
Glykos PAOK
Kapino Mainz 05
Holebas Olympiacos
Moras Verona
Papadopoulos Bayer Leverkusen
Manolas Roma
Siovas Olympiacos
Karabelas Levante
Torosidis Roma
Sokratis Borussia Dortmund
Vyntra Turkish team?
Papadopoulos Olympiacos
Maniatis Olympiacos
Christodoulopoulos Verona
Kone Udinese
Fortounis Olympiacos
Samaris Benfica
Tachtsidis Verona
Salpingidis PAOK
Samaras West Bromwich Albion
Mitroglou Fulham
Athanasiadis PAOK
Diamantakos Olympiacos
My Guess?
-------------Karnezis----------------
Toro---Manolas--Sokratis----Xolebas
-------caveman--Samaris--------
Kone---------Lazaros-----------Samaras
-----------Mitroglou---------------
Karelis should be in the squad instead of Athanasiadis and Triandafillopulos instead of Vyntra
Trianta is a terrible player, ask the Vazelos, they want him out the team.. last game he was lost apparently.
I agree about Vynta, he should not be in the team. He is either a RB or CB. We have 6 CBs in that squad.... and 2 RBs and all 8 are miles better than Vyntra. Was sad to see his name.
I also agree about Athanasiadis - both Bakesetas and Koulouris off more than him imo.
karelis has a very strong build, but I am not convinced he has the talent.
I would have like to seen Bouxalakis called.
Any of you Benfiquistas know the type of team Ranieri likes to put out?
You want to have a laugh Faliro?
Former Panathinaikos player Quincy just signed for Boavista, which still has players from it's third division squad, since they got promoted off the pitch.
Promoted off the pitch? What does that mean?
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Agosto de 2014, 20:08
Promoted off the pitch? What does that mean?
They were on the third division because they were relegated in the same corruption scandal that involved Porto.
Don't ask me details about the case but in short: the conclusive evidence is not valid on court, the cases are rotting away and, because some lawsuits expired, Boavista won the right to be promoted again directly to the Primeira Liga.
Yeah, it's a joke, but that's Portugal for you.
So they are in the first division again but they don't have any money and had a third division squad so life won't be easy for them anyway.
Man i thought Greece was fucked up, that is mad..
All the Greek clubs are asking to be put in the third division now to clear debts.. :buck2:
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Agosto de 2014, 21:04
Man i thought Greece was fucked up, that is mad..
All the Greek clubs are asking to be put in the third division now to clear debts.. :buck2:
Portuguese football is very strange. People outside have no idea what goes on here.
.
Citação de: Festivus em 27 de Agosto de 2014, 21:07
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Agosto de 2014, 21:04
Man i thought Greece was fucked up, that is mad..
All the Greek clubs are asking to be put in the third division now to clear debts.. :buck2:
Portuguese football is very strange. People outside have no idea what goes on here.
People inside also have no idea what really goes on in here.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 27 de Agosto de 2014, 23:35
Citação de: Festivus em 27 de Agosto de 2014, 21:07
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Agosto de 2014, 21:04
Man i thought Greece was fucked up, that is mad..
All the Greek clubs are asking to be put in the third division now to clear debts.. :buck2:
Portuguese football is very strange. People outside have no idea what goes on here.
People inside also have no idea what really goes on in here.
Well, obviously. Transparency isn't abundant around these parts.
Transparency is the quintessential trait of our president's policies, though.
You've got to give him that.
compartmentalisation
Seems Genoa don't want Fetfatzidis anymore as they are going for Maxime_Lestienne and need to free up money..
Would be a good pick up for Benfica.
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Agosto de 2014, 23:44
Seems Genoa don't want Fetfatzidis anymore as they are going for Maxime_Lestienne and need to free up money..
Would be a good pick up for Benfica.
Or maybe, he is coming back home ^-^
Would like that but I doubt it, Italian clubs just pass players around Serie A for a few years..
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Agosto de 2014, 13:27
Would like that but I doubt it, Italian clubs just pass players around Serie A for a few years..
If he pressures the team, may they will allow a loan. But Genoa is a complicated club.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwYJnZZIEAAJqcU.jpg:large)
:)
Almost forgot, how is Pelkas doing at setubal?
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Setembro de 2014, 13:14
Almost forgot, how is Pelkas doing at setubal?
Bench.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10660370_10152669123901870_6381886181538638007_n.jpg?oh=319a2062fdff496d6e62a9254f95e507&oe=548464B9&__gda__=1418574316_cd92a14d72676e793ff70612dae105ca)
Ranieri will destroy your national team. Even more defensive then Santos.
:cheerleaders:
It was not Santos that made Greece a defensive team. In fact,he never had a defensive approach in his coaching career.
I actually think he made Greece a little bit more ofensive and did a great job,in a difficult period with the end of your golden generation.It's just your mentality. We are exactly the opposite,always wanting to play attacking football even when we should be a bit more cautious. When we had someone that made us a defensive team (Queiroz),the players and the press didn't like it and found a way to sack him.
Ranieri was just an awful choice,but you still should qualify. I wouldn't mind Santos in the Portuguese national team,instead of that clueless Bentolas
I would like to believe that, but I think he changed in Greece.
He would feel most comfortable with 3 defensive midfielders. Would usually line up teams like this:
........GK.......
RB..CB..CB..LB
.DM..DM..DM
RW........LW
.....CF......
The DMs he used most often were..
Maniatis...Katsou...Tziolis
He disliked attacking midfeilders like Ninis and Fetfa, even when they were voted MVP in national games, he would drop them from the squad for the next games.
Citação de: Zlatan em 31 de Agosto de 2014, 16:35
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwYJnZZIEAAJqcU.jpg:large)
:)
damn.....he really looks like the devil
Loved Samaris Debut today, looks like you were right, he is going to be a hell out of a player in here at Benfica
Loved how he was growing second half. The more games he gets the better he will become. :bow2:
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Setembro de 2014, 23:52
Loved how he was growing second half. The more games he gets the better he will become. :bow2:
The team was really needing someone over his profile because since last year we have lost many players over that particular position, first Matic was sold then Fejsa came on great set, then he got the injury and so we chosen André Gomes to replace him, after some months he was moving out aswell and we had particulary no one to play in there, because Rúben Amorim would never be a safe bet because of his history with injusrys, and so i was right...
Fortunately with Bryan Cristante and Samaris hopefully i think that things will tend to get better, its just a shame that we had to "suffer" all the transfer market to actually get a competent, skilled and profitable team
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Setembro de 2014, 23:52
Loved how he was growing second half. The more games he gets the better he will become. :bow2:
Specially when Cristante came in.
Kalloni just beat the Vazelos... :2funny:
Kalloni.....the Lesbians... (team from Lesbos) is very small....this team is not from the capital of Lesbos - Mytilene... The team is from a small village in the interior of the island.. population? 1732....
(https://static.panoramio.com.storage.googleapis.com/photos/large/6750732.jpg)
:winner:
Hammer and sickle spotted.
Citação de: Festivus em 15 de Setembro de 2014, 03:46
Hammer and sickle spotted.
Definitely stands out. I dunno why but I think he chose this pic on purpose ;D
Citação de: HJDK em 15 de Setembro de 2014, 03:50
Citação de: Festivus em 15 de Setembro de 2014, 03:46
Hammer and sickle spotted.
Definitely stands out. I dunno why but I think he chose this pic on purpose ;D
It was literally the first thing I noticed in the picture.
I didn't actually, its sad but Greece still has a massive KKE following... communist party of Greece.. Here is the KKE building in Piraeus...
(http://toufekiastoskotadi.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/cf80cebbceb1cf84ceb5ceafceb1-cebacebfcf81ceb1ceae-cf80ceb5ceb9cf81ceb1ceb9ceaccf82.jpg)
Gattuso went crazy in his interview after the game against Atromitos. I mean there is serious comedy value in this. Just stick with it. The press conference is in Italian, Greek swears and English. If you make it past 4 minutes, you will be greatly rewarded.. only in Greece..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS9HxCjU9t0
:2funny:
Gattuso :bow2:
sensational, simply incredible.
Holy fucking shitballs, this is hilarious! ;D
Always liked Gattuso!
MALAKIA! FUCK OFF! EVERYDAY MALAKIA! :2funny:
Sá Pinto is back? :rir:
It seems. Unfortunately Santos is back too. If you know what I mean. :'(
Surprised the Portuguese appointed Santos.
Personally I don't like his style. However Portugal has better attacking players than Greece so he might be able to do something.
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 13:43
Surprised the Portuguese appointed Santos.
Personally I don't like his style. However Portugal has better attacking players than Greece so he might be able to do something.
Yes he will, he has good offensive ideas and with quality players, Portugal will do some damage, the problem is really the way his teams defend (man-to-man), and we'll see what players he selects.
Citação de: PsychoFan em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 15:00
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 13:43
Surprised the Portuguese appointed Santos.
Personally I don't like his style. However Portugal has better attacking players than Greece so he might be able to do something.
Yes he will, he has good offensive ideas and with quality players, Portugal will do some damage, the problem is really the way his teams defend (man-to-man), and we'll see what players he selects.
Also, he doesn't have any guts.
Citação de: PsychoFan em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 15:00
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 13:43
Surprised the Portuguese appointed Santos.
Personally I don't like his style. However Portugal has better attacking players than Greece so he might be able to do something.
Yes he will, he has good offensive ideas and with quality players, Portugal will do some damage, the problem is really the way his teams defend (man-to-man), and we'll see what players he selects.
The return of the Holy Cows. Like he did in Greece he will do the same with us. You can expect the likes of Meireles, J.Pereira, Ricardo Costa in Euro'16, even if they're on a wheelchair. At least we have a little consolation, we can't play worse so....
Citação de: HJDK em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 16:57
Citação de: PsychoFan em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 15:00
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 13:43
Surprised the Portuguese appointed Santos.
Personally I don't like his style. However Portugal has better attacking players than Greece so he might be able to do something.
Yes he will, he has good offensive ideas and with quality players, Portugal will do some damage, the problem is really the way his teams defend (man-to-man), and we'll see what players he selects.
The return of the Holy Cows. Like he did in Greece he will do the same with us. You can expect the likes of Meireles, J.Pereira, Ricardo Costa in Euro'16, even if they're on a wheelchair. At least we have a little consolation, we can't play worse so....
I don't think he will do that, he knows perfectly that Portugal NT needs a renovation. Now let's see how he does this renovation, which players he will select and not select.
He prefers older players in general. He is a strong believer in experience and trust as opposed to youth and gambles like Bielsa.
Citação de: PsychoFan em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 17:45
Citação de: HJDK em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 16:57
Citação de: PsychoFan em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 15:00
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 13:43
Surprised the Portuguese appointed Santos.
Personally I don't like his style. However Portugal has better attacking players than Greece so he might be able to do something.
Yes he will, he has good offensive ideas and with quality players, Portugal will do some damage, the problem is really the way his teams defend (man-to-man), and we'll see what players he selects.
The return of the Holy Cows. Like he did in Greece he will do the same with us. You can expect the likes of Meireles, J.Pereira, Ricardo Costa in Euro'16, even if they're on a wheelchair. At least we have a little consolation, we can't play worse so....
I don't think he will do that, he knows perfectly that Portugal NT needs a renovation. Now let's see how he does this renovation, which players he will select and not select.
He also knew that Hellas needed new blood. Result = Karagounis, Katsouranis, Salpingidis and so on.
Was worse, the team he took to the world cup...
Vyntra 33
Karagounis 37
Katsouranis 35
Gekas 34
Salpididis 33
Moras 33
etc
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 18:32
Was worse, the team he took to the world cup...
Vyntra 33
Karagounis 37
Katsouranis 35
Gekas 34
Salpididis 33
Moras 33
etc
But there are better players?
Citação de: PsychoFan em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 18:35
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 18:32
Was worse, the team he took to the world cup...
Vyntra 33
Karagounis 37
Katsouranis 35
Gekas 34
Salpididis 33
Moras 33
etc
But there are better players?
Paulo Bento, is that you?!
Citação de: PsychoFan em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 18:35
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 18:32
Was worse, the team he took to the world cup...
Vyntra 33
Karagounis 37
Katsouranis 35
Gekas 34
Salpididis 33
Moras 33
etc
But there are better players?
There were, far better. Katsouranis gave a way the ball, or passed backwards and got a red. We have better players than that. We have about 7 players better than Salpigidis. Vyntra is just a disaster. However they were all close friends of Santos and he rewards those he is friends with.
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 18:39
Citação de: PsychoFan em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 18:35
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 18:32
Was worse, the team he took to the world cup...
Vyntra 33
Karagounis 37
Katsouranis 35
Gekas 34
Salpididis 33
Moras 33
etc
But there are better players?
There were, far better. Katsouranis gave a way the ball, or passed backwards and got a red. We have better players than that. We have about 7 players better than Salpigidis. Vyntra is just a disaster. However they were all close friends of Santos and he rewards those he is friends with.
That's what doesn't make sense, the status and the personal relationship. If there were better players than the coach has to select em. It's not about the age, it's quality!
Everyone knows that the Greek NT is selected by the super-agent Giorgias Mendiakis.
Everyone? I don't for example. heheh
Check him out:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/22/-sp-jorge-mendes-agent-third-party-ownership-players
Very true ^^.
The thing is, Katsouranis used to smoke with Santos after games. Karagounis, Salpi, most these players were all coached by Santos at club level at some point and became very close friends. The agents knew this and Santos always sticks by his friends, even when they play terrible. In the same way he despises his enemies. Both Ninis and Fetfatzidis won games for Greece individually in quals and both were dropped not just from the team but the squad in the following games. Santos even attacked them both - which is very rare.
Also Santos is highly religious and has much 'faith' and 'prayers' when picking teams rather than actual facts.
LOOOOL fucking Santos...
Citação de: HJDK em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 19:04
Check him out:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/22/-sp-jorge-mendes-agent-third-party-ownership-players
Nice one ;D
http://www.zerozero.pt/noticia.php?id=143736
"The honest leader, that does not look to faces"
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 19:04
Very true ^^.
The thing is, Katsouranis used to smoke with Santos after games. Karagounis, Salpi, most these players were all coached by Santos at club level at some point and became very close friends. The agents knew this and Santos always sticks by his friends, even when they play terrible. In the same way he despises his enemies. Both Ninis and Fetfatzidis won games for Greece individually in quals and both were dropped not just from the team but the squad in the following games. Santos even attacked them both - which is very rare.
Also Santos is highly religious and has much 'faith' and 'prayers' when picking teams rather than actual facts.
:o :2funny:
Citação de: HJDK em 23 de Setembro de 2014, 18:59
Everyone knows that the Greek NT is selected by the super-agent Giorgias Mendiakis.
EVERYDAY MALAKIA!
All Greek sports banned this weekend, no football, no volleyball, no basketball - everything banned this weekend by the Government 'Deputy' minister of culture and sport, because a 46 year old fan died after injuries received in a third division game two weeks ago because of hooliganism. They waited to see when he died, yesterday... to make the decision. As soon as he died, from his injuries sustained two weeks ago, they closed the weekend of all sports.
This damages the season - teams need games to be competitive for European games.
Damaged Olympiakos and PAOK - we were supposed to play this weekend and get that massive game out the way..
This damages the sports - tv schedules, tv money and contracts broken.
This damages the spectacle.
This damages the image of Greece - makes the country look like it is controlled by a 45 year old woman who just got her period. Everything has to stop.
Stupid stupid country.
So, Karagounis retired.
Is he considered a Greek legend?
He is considered a Greek legend. Not by me, but by the herd.
He is now a director of football for the Greek NT - whatever the fuck that means.. he said..
''For now, I will mainly be with the seniors in the role of liaison between players and coach.''
Basically - you make me happy - you in the team ... role.... Very mafia, very Greek. In Italian mafia I would say the role is that of a caporegime.
Basically... the players selected will be those who get along with karagounis...
================================================
On an equally bizarre level, Fyssas will often liaise with Benfica from now on to swap information while working for the vazelos - what ever the fuck that means.
It seems Greeks are at the stage where once again, they are doing what they do best as a nation. Inventing meaningless jobs and running with it.
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Panathinaikos/mnhmonio_synergasias_me_thn_mpenfika.3062351.html
I never thought Pana was so weak. Suddenly, all your victories made sense.
What a poor side.
Exactly. That is why I wanted everyone on here to watch them. They are regularly beaten by village teams.
The last decent PAO side was that of Cissé.
And they won the league that year.
Yip.. Amazing what buying decent players does..
AEK officially changed their emblem.
It is something they should have done years and years ago, but better late than never.
They have introduced the cross the globe in the right talon which now corresponds with the emblem of the Second Holy Roman Empire or Byzantium to others.
How it was before:
(http://s1.aek365.com/uploads/articles/a5a12ca10968a0d7d31c3766ec2e22e7_85231.jpg)
The new emblem:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/16/New_updated_emblem_of_AEK_Athens.jpg/210px-New_updated_emblem_of_AEK_Athens.jpg)
Symbol of the Empire and the Greek church:
(http://blossomingbyzantine.yolasite.com/resources/485px-Flag_of_the_Greek_Orthodox_Church_svg.png)
How do Greeks pronounce AEK?
"Aik"?
a - ek - literally ah-ek
Ah-eh-kapa, tuga style! :metal:
To be honest it has been a relief not having those fans trashing athens these last two years...
They simply set fire to anything..
AEK played their first game of league 2 today and won 0-1. Their goal scorer was sent off.
(http://s1.aek365.com/uploads/articles/9e227bc0de52541ed98df4d94e66ba17_89310.jpg)
Next they play Apollon, which will not be easy...
They'll win the 2nd league easily.
Not sure, the second division is famous for not letting the good teams escape..
Barbosa. who gave the assist to the goal, complained after the match that this 'was not football.' He said the game was too violent and it seemed violent on purpose.
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3078681.ece/BINARY/w620/aek.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fGTt3Ql.png)
"My goal is the Euro Final".
I found that odd and awkward. So I did a little investigation:
Ranieri later expanded on his sitiuation, admitting that qualification was a must for the surprise 2004 champions.
"I know I have to arrive in the finals in Paris, that is my goal," he said.
"It is very important to beat Northern Ireland.
"If we do not reach Paris it is a disaster me, for everybody, and I would be the chief executive of the disaster."
Seriously, the portuguese press is such a huge pile of shit. They constantly mistranslate all the time, they will do anything for their catchy headliners.
Hahaha.
So far he has been a very shitty coach. Poor selections as per usual.
PAO-0 OFI-1 33'
Watching it now. :)
Ends 1-2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OFI score in 90 +4' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:cheerleaders: :cheerleaders: :bandeiraslb2: :cheerleaders: :cheerleaders: :bow2: :bow2: :cheerleaders: :dance: ;D :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Is OFI still a PAO satellite club?
Nope. They broke all ties with PAO a few years ago and subsequently got relegated. They worked hard with their new owner and came back and detest PAO now.
PAO can longer rely on them for 3 points. Never again. It is the opposite, OFI play with everything to beat their former masters.
Gattuso and OFI return to Crete this evening, 700 fans waiting for them at the airport..
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/article_full_610x343/public/article/2014-10/1158817.jpg?itok=OfpjEAqU)
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/gallery/public/1158809.jpg?itok=14rLnM7F)
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/gallery/public/1158819.jpg?itok=9o06fAEC)
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/gallery/public/1158821.jpg?itok=1JQYKdA3)
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/gallery/public/1158830_1.jpg?itok=Qid_8RBd)
In other news, the president of PAO spoke to the organisation that controls the club - the panathinaikos alliance and stated Olympiakos stole championships. Olympiakos refused to respond this time and simply opened up proceedings to take him to court and sue for libel. Alafouzes ..a lawyer.. already has a criminal record and is fearless in making up lies about Olympiakos - that is how he enamored himself with the vazelos in the first place..
(http://s11.postimg.org/4h6aqn937/Vathmologia_7h.jpg)
AEK got all permits, they are just now waiting for the building permit and they can start construction immediately.
Once this stadium is built, The Greek league instantly becomes a two horse race between AEK and Olympiakos and the league improves double over night.
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Aek/article3093923.ece/BINARY/w620/7ec8de007d18d9f4d9042e1649b4e8dc_L.jpg)
Gattuso quits after OFI loses 2-3!
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Ofi/paraiththhke_o_gkatouzo.3105285.html
Very sad, after all his passion i thought he would last a bit longer. Seems his ego is his problem. Very weird guy. Probably bi-polar, he was in ecstasy last week after beating PAO.
OFI are 9th.
What?
He quit?
That's weird.
Said his players didn't trust him. :huh:
Gattuso changes his mind after speaking to the administration and players.
He is returning as manager. This ridiculous episode was brought to you courtesy of Hellas, one of the most bat shit crazy countries on earth.
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/58/aa/22/58aa22e5c1fd8edc8cdaeef35debdb02.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Outubro de 2014, 19:48
Gattuso changes his mind after speaking to the administration and players.
He is returning as manager. This ridiculous episode was brought to you courtesy of Hellas, one of the most bat shit crazy countries on earth.
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/58/aa/22/58aa22e5c1fd8edc8cdaeef35debdb02.jpg)
So, it's a perfect place for Gattuso. :2funny:
He will never be more at home! :2funny:
How much Olympiacos, PAO, PAOK have spent and how much they have earned on players the last 5 years:
Olympiakos:
Year Purchase/Loans ||| Sales/Loans
2010-11 14.5 mil||| 1.1 mil.
2011-12 13.5 mil ||| 3.3 mil.
2012-13 5.5 mil ||| 9.1 mil.
2013-14 11.2 mil ||| 37.5 mil.
2014-15 25.5 mil ||| 30.1 mil.
Totals
From / to Purchase/Loans ||| Sales/Loans
2010-15 70.2 mil ||| 81.1 mil.
PANA:
Year Purchase/Loans ||| Sales/Loans
2010-11 2.2 mil ||| 2.2 mil.
2011-12 1.4 mil ||| 7.5 mil.
2012-13 510k ||| Zero
2013-14 400k ||| 5.6 mil.
2014-15 800k ||| 2.5 mil
Totals
From / to Purchase/Loans ||| Sales/Loans
2010-15 5.3 mil ||| 17.8 mil.
PAOK:
Year Purchase/Loans ||| Sales/Loans
2010-11 900k ||| zero revenue from sales
2011-12 800k ||| 5 mil.
2012-13 1.1 mil ||| 500K EUR
2013-14 4.5 mil ||| 1.5 mil.
2014-15 1.1 mil ||| zero revenue from sales
Totals
From / to Purchase/Loans ||| Sales/Loans
2010-15 8.4 mil ||| 7 mil.
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Olympiakos/h_kontra_se_arithmous_apo_to_2010_ews_shmera.3108867.html
I believe that what you posted can be explained by the fact that since 96, Olympiakos only lost two championships.
Greek super flop sensation returns to Panathinaikos! Let's see if he has anything left... at all...
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3126824.ece/BINARY/w620/1166542.jpg)
Who's that?
Ninis.
When he was younger, looked like a Brazilian hipster..
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3127756.ece/BINARY/original/3-10-05+%281%29.JPG)
(http://www.o-posts.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/o-AEK-ATHENS-NAZI-SALUTE-570.jpg)
What happened to him? He definitely knew how to treat a ball.
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Novembro de 2014, 16:30
Greek super flop sensation returns to Panathinaikos! Let's see if he has anything left... at all...
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3126824.ece/BINARY/w620/1166542.jpg)
where was he playing? or not playing has it seems.
Parma. Last season he was loaned at Great PAOK
Citação de: HJDK em 08 de Novembro de 2014, 06:22
(http://www.o-posts.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/o-AEK-ATHENS-NAZI-SALUTE-570.jpg)
What happened to him? He definitely knew how to treat a ball.
He was born into poverty and left school very young. I don't think he can read or write well. To many people's political disgust, I actually thought he was a good player. Fast, intelligent, scored and a natural leader - plus a strong tackler. He achieved all this very young at Aris to get his contract to AEK, where after his match winning goal, he performed the celebration you can see and was banned from ever playing for Greece again (at the time he was under 21 captain with a big future ahead of him). He never played again for AEK after the celebration and AEK failed to win another game without him that season and got relegated for the first time in their history. He then had to leave Greece as no one would touch him and he signed for Novara. He had some injuries at Novara and had some surgery. Plus the Italian parliament were questioning whether he should have been allowed in Italy after his celebration. This season he signed for Veria - a very good team by Greek standards. I am not sure if he will ever be the same player again because of the stigma.
All of this and yet - he is still only 21 years old as we speak! :o
Saw him briefly playing against Olympiakos this season, still looked good. He is hyperactive, all over the pitch - pro-active. This is him last month against Toumbaspor:
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Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 08 de Novembro de 2014, 11:34
Parma. Last season he was loaned at Great PAOK
Ninis was actually a sensation, no matter what people say in Greece. His fall from grace was colossal. Even when he was begging for minutes from Parma or PAOK, he could still win an international game single handedly like in the game against Israel. However, like Fetfatzidis, winning games on your own, does not mean you will be included in the team for the actual tournament...and often these players have been disregarded for 32 year old veterans come the big games... Interestingly both Ninis and Fetfatzidis have had surgery for hernias that have damaged both their careers. Both put off surgery for months at key points in their careers hoping their stomachs would ..heal themselves... :confused: considering how few attacking players Greece produces.. it is a shame..
Late 1980's kit:
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3138158.ece/BINARY/w620/GOAL.jpg)
Awesome. :)
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Citação de: HJDK em 12 de Novembro de 2014, 15:06
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Pretty cool ^^
I have to admit, I miss the designs of the past. The kits now look so generic.
The Greek one looks like pajamas.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kzKGv9p5HhA/UxX5gOjxYSI/AAAAAAAAWhU/AvmHAYRdTr0/s1600/Greece+2014+World+Cup+Home+Kit+(1).jpg)
80/90's football shirt and a denim jacket and you're ready to go!
(it's also very hipster/indie)
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These were the days. :(
But my favorites will always be with the Parmalat Sponsor:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IvkM_I0SFiE/U8aaxQ4e3mI/AAAAAAAADwA/CAg19cWqt54/s1600/benfica-portugal-olympic-1992-parmalat-tamg-importada-nova-11344-MLB20042296406_022014-F.jpg)
(http://mlb-s2-p.mlstatic.com/camisa-rara-benfica-fabricaco-olympic-e-parmalat-anos-90-14610-MLB4557472335_062013-F.jpg)
Really beautiful(imo).
These are cool. ^^ Mid to late 90's also...
I was always impressed by the Kappa Barcelona kits and the Kappa AEK kits..
Barca:
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(http://mlb-s1-p.mlstatic.com/camisa-antiga-do-barcelona-da-espanha-kappa-anos-90-14040-MLB4415029020_062013-F.jpg)
(http://www.verminososporfutebol.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Barcelona.jpg)
(http://www.blaugranas.com/media/galeria/25/4/0/5/3/n_f_c_barcelona_josep_guardiola-13504.jpg)
AEK:
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(http://www.oldfootballshirts.com/img/shirts/1040/aek-athens-third-football-shirt-1997-1998-s_4272_1.jpg)
(http://www.oldfootballshirts.com/img/shirts/1040/aek-athens-away-football-shirt-1997-1998-s_29470_1.jpg)
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(http://www.oldfootballshirts.com/img/shirts/1040/aek-athens-home-football-shirt-1997-1998-s_4274_1.jpg)
(http://www.aek-live.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/fd10629195f911ddaa95f0e9cf91344b_XL.jpg)
(http://www.pamesports.gr/thumbnail?filepath=/contentfiles/superleague/AEK/nikolaidis%2023-02-13.jpg&width=620&height=446)
Total meltdown. Greek league shut down indefinitely. :huh:
CitaçãoAttack on referee leads to another soccer shutdown
Olympiakos owner accuses AEK strongman for attack on refereeing official
By George Georgakopoulos
The Hellenic Football Federation (EPO) decided on Friday to ask the Central Committee for Refereeing (KED) not to appoint any match officials for next weekend's matches in the top three soccer divisions, in response to the attack on the committee's vice-president Christoforos Zografos late on Thursday. This effectively means that there will be no soccer action in the country's Super League next weekend either.
According to reports, Zografos was attacked by two men at Kolonos, west of Athens city center, resulting in the former referee being rushed to hospital with head injuries.
EPO held an extraordinary board meeting on Friday to discuss the situation in the game after this latest attack on a referee, and a source from the federation reportedly said that "we do not want to have any referees appointed to games, and the referees do not want to officiate anymore."
The jurisdiction of referee appointments belongs exclusively to KED, which is supposed to perform that duty three or four days before the games take place.
The Super League also held an extraordinary board meeting on Friday, in which the owner of Olympiakos Vangelis Marinakis placed the blame about the attack squarely on AEK Athens strongman Dimitris Melissanidis, and went as far as asking prosecutors to use the minutes of the board meeting to find out what happened to Zografos and why.
Earlier this season all team sport action was suspended for a week due to the killing of a soccer fan at a third division game.
Beating refs? Here some have lost his teeth. Death threats are also a classic here.
Last week Oporto went to Estoril and the result was a 2-2 draw, the 2-1 for Estoril was scored by Tozé, a young portuguese talent loaned from Oporto. In the end of the match, in front of everyone in the access tunnel, Oporto officials grabbed him by his neck and asked him what he was thinking. Result? No pasa nada. Even the player went to them media saying that things like these are normal. Yeah, right.
All I can say is after 2000 years of brain drain, Greeks are perhaps some of the most naturally stupid people walking planet earth today.
The only reason I can make such a coherent statement is because I am only one quarter Greek.
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Novembro de 2014, 20:31
All I can say is after 2000 years of brain drain, Greeks are perhaps some of the most naturally stupid people walking planet earth today.
:rir: It can't be that bad(I think) :tomates:
Portuguese are funny as hell too.
It is more to do with self sabotage. Greeks will usually always attempt to damage any other Greek who is smart, anyone with style or anyone with ideas. The people who are left in Greece after millenia of emigration are the ones either too stupid or too poor to leave. Out of those, the most stupid and corrupt of them will end up in the EPO, Government or general administration of the country.
I said it years ago, Greeks are still mentally Turkish slaves, they have not made the move up physiologically. Those who have left Greece and started new families, those are 100 times above the average native Greek. The more mixed the Greek abroad is - the more they marry into other cultures, the more hope. The more Greek.. the more idiotic. Simple really.
http://www.abola.pt/nnh/ver.aspx?id=512910
Another one from today. "I couldn't take a red shirt to training". I swear these guys are fucking sick/retarded. They basically sum up everything sports isn't.
Honestly, I don't have a clue how you got there. We were never a bright country(even in our golden age), there was always a lack of passion or interest in arts or culture. Without the money we still are the same thing and care about the same stuff for 500 years: Whores and wine.
But I look at Greece and think of Democracy, all these philosophers like Socrates, Thales of Miletus, Aristotle, Plato....people like Archimedes and so one....
I don't know how you got to your current state. :buck2:
Rome happened. Millions of Greeks emigrated there after the fall of Greece to Rome. There were so many Greeks in Rome, Greek was the lingua franca - same in southern Italy.
The Greeks left remaining faught off the goths and the few with any brains founded the Byzantine Empire.
When the Turks conquered that 800 years later, Greeks emigrated en masse again to Venice and Italy. Most Greeks who were lucky not to be sold into slavery - walked to Italy.. The only Greeks left in Greece or Turkey converted to islam and are now Turks or were too poor to leave (what is now modern greeks). They were farmers, thieves and peasants - their children are modern greeks. Out of them, some made money - those would immediately leave to. So you are left with the opposite of natural selection. You are left with a race - once the golden children of knowledge and art... now the dregs of society and you can see their stupidity in every decision. Oh my goodness how the Greek press turn on anyone who tries to improve anything in greece... :2funny:
Greece is the result of 2000 years of anyone with a brain, leaving and the dumb remaining, breeding new dumb.
How it is possible that your national team is losing against Faroe Islands? :confused:
Do you want Santos back?
Greece is pathetic. The team? PAO rejects... Ranieri a disgustingly bad coach. The EPO that selected him is so corrupt they recently won a battle to keep their finaces away from the public eye...
Terrible players selected, terrible game.
Disaster.
Still relieved Santos is not in charge however...
Population of faroe islands, 49,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rir: :rir:
Serious Mavrias, Lazaros, Athansiadis, Karelis, Maniatis are all exceptionally shit players. I would never recommend them - to any team unless I wanted that team to do badly.
Greece has some great players - like Bruno Xalkiadakis (Brazilian Greek, 21 years old), but they play for teams like Ergotelis - who stupid Greeks think should not be allowed to represent Greece unless they play for AEK, PAO, PAOK, or Olympiakos.
3 losses at home.
Ranieri out.
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Novembro de 2014, 20:59
Rome happened. Millions of Greeks emigrated there after the fall of Greece to Rome. There were so many Greeks in Rome, Greek was the lingua franca - same in southern Italy.
The Greeks left remaining faught off the goths and the few with any brains founded the Byzantine Empire.
When the Turks conquered that 800 years later, Greeks emigrated en masse again to Venice and Italy. Most Greeks who were lucky not to be sold into slavery - walked to Italy.. The only Greeks left in Greece or Turkey converted to islam and are now Turks or were too poor to leave (what is now modern greeks). They were farmers, thieves and peasants - their children are modern greeks. Out of them, some made money - those would immediately leave to. So you are left with the opposite of natural selection. You are left with a race - once the golden children of knowledge and art... now the dregs of society and you can see their stupidity in every decision. Oh my goodness how the Greek press turn on anyone who tries to improve anything in greece... :2funny:
Greece is the result of 2000 years of anyone with a brain, leaving and the dumb remaining, breeding new dumb.
So Greece is like a Huge Portuguese Secret Story home? :2funny:
Citação de: LMFPC em 14 de Novembro de 2014, 21:47
3 losses at home.
Ranieri out.
3 losses at home in a row with 0 goals scored!!!! :winner: :winner: ;D ;D
After this I just want to say that Samaris, as a Benfica player, should have stayed in Portugal. At least he could learn and train with the team.
As far as Samaris is concerned, if he was an asset being rated by a financial company, he would be junk status. Unrecognizable from the player last season.
Can you believe Mitroglou was not even selected for this squad? :2funny:
But why? He wanted to stay in Olympiakos? He needs to find the player inside him again. Probably is a psychological problem, I don't know. Last game he entered in the game to give stability in the midfield but he was a total mess. Unbelievable the amount of passes that he failed and he never managed to stop the adversary.
He needs to be more intelligent and have more confidence.
He is the kind of player that if he play well we will say that he have class.
I hope that he start to play well. Benfica is a great club to grow. I hope that he realises that.
And I was wondering where was Mitroglou. It's amazing how he is not selected.
I have no idea why Samaris has got worse. Could be many things, coach, environment, personal problems - maybe the seasons before he was just in great form? I only knew him from a year ago.. I did not like the way he played today. Looked stupid to me. Foolish even.
As for Mitroglou not being selected I have no idea what Ranieri is thinking. But the players he did select.... po po po as we say in Greece... karelis, Mavrias, Kone, Maniatis, Lazaros - terrible players.. really, you could find some gypsies playing in Piraeus on the street who have better ball control than these players... They are really very very poor players. PAO and PAOK puts big pressure through its newspapers it owns to play PAO or ex PAO players... but seriously, these players are a disaster - if the Faroe Islands was offered these players I doubt they would take any of them and I am being serious. Any team they are in, will play worse.
We call our nacional team "A Seleção do Mendes". Almost all the player that Paulo Bento used to select have Jorge Mendes as agent.
Now, with Santos, he selected almost all of the good players available. (But we still play really bad :-X).
So in Portugal is not the press or the clubs that put pressure, but Jorge Mendes. He controls so many things.
Think the same type of thing happens in Greece. Some of the players have no quality at all and yet walk into the team. 100% this is down to corruption and stupidity. I think it is great Greece lost tonight. Put huge pressure on the corrupt EPO, at least for one evening... tomorrow they will have forgot it.
Ranieri :buck2: :buck2: :estrelas:
Citação de: Maxi_14 em 14 de Novembro de 2014, 22:18
And I was wondering where was Mitroglou. It's amazing how he is not selected.
Really?! What the actual fuck...?! :estrelas:
Ranieri is leaving, right?
Can we call this "gregão"?
Apparently Sarris - the reject who appointed Ranieri has appologised for appointing him, which means that perhaps Ranieri is at the door.
Guess who the Greek media are talking bout to replace him?!
75 year old Trapattoni!!!
:cheerleaders: :cheerleaders: :cheerleaders: :cheerleaders: :cheerleaders: :cheerleaders:
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
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I will translate the headlines for you Benfiquistas! Headlines:
1 Looking for the formula of divorce.
2 The Xeftila has reached ceiling - Literally: 'The shame has caught the ceiling' :2funny:
3 Defeat has set us back decades.
:drool: :drool:
:2funny:
You guys sure know how to choose coaches ahah
Trapattoni is not like Ranieri....
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I and all benfiquistas have very good memories of Trapattoni ^-^
But yes maybe he's a little old for your team
75 is the perfect age for someone to be in Greece, they can't notice the nightmare evolving around them!
Torosidis, Greek captain just stated: 'Even if my village had played us, we would had lost'
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/torosidis-kai-me-to-xwrio-mou-na-paiksoume-tha-xasoume/796516
Ranieri or Trapattoni, right now, is like choosing between getting successively kicked in the balls and shaving yourself with barbed wire. I feel for you.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=805515606178561&id=226199297443531
:cool2:
Trap is a champion, Ranieri is a loser.
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The Old Fox! :bow2: :bow2:
I just think he is a bit too old.
I want them to appoint Sakis Tsiolis. He is the best Greek coach available (hated obviously because he says what he sees, but he builds fast attacking teams and knows football very well - also supports youth players).
The EPO will make the worst decision possible. The EPO is not the result of people educated in football and the top of their hierarchy. The EPO is the results of some peasants having bribed their way to the top of an industry they have no idea about. Their biggest achievement was making all EPO finances legally hidden from the public 2 years ago. That makes it so much easier to steal money. All they do is make stupid decisions, steal money and book friendlies with Romania, Albania and Armenia.
He is old in age and in ideas. Obviously not the best choice.
The EPO is run by people who don't understand football? Normal... In here is the same shit. As in the great majority of the countries.
Trap can motivate a team, in a national team, that is almost everything.
Wow, it took 4 games for Greece to know they made a mistake hiring Ranieri
Ranieri's born was also a mistake.
Ranieri got sacked.
The replacement coach for the game against Serbia is kostas Tsanas, the under 21 coach. :estrelas:
Serbia coach dik advocaat also got sacked today// ::
Yesterday ketsbaia - Georgia coach resigned.
Advocaat would be a better choice for Greece than Trapattoni, if you decided to sign a foreign manager. Despite the good memories Benfica supporters may have regarding Trap, he would not be a suitable replacement for Ranieri, unless you don't want to improve. :police:
I think Sarris, the head of the EPO, will be able to find a manager worse than Trap. We have to wait and see, but I think it is possible.
Sarris is already falling back on Greek tradition when something goes wrong. The tradition of lying. He said yesterday Takis Fyssas (remember him?) was part of the selection committee that decided to bring Ranieri to Greece. Fyssas came out to today and said the first time he ever met Ranieri was last week at the PAOK vs PAO game. Fyssas also said he did not include Ranieri on any list for a successor of Santos.
Fyssas!!!!
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AEK with a 100% record in the second division. Next season they're back :)
Faliro,any news regarding the new stadium? Looks like they have a very ambitious project. Do you think they can become the most serious opposition for Olympiakos in the coming years ?
There are dark times ahead Benfiquista_de_1ª. Marinakis just accused Melissanidis (billionaire owner of AEK) that he had something to do with the ref assault:
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite5_1_14/11/2014_544601
Melissanidis hates Marinakis, I mean HATES him.
Now concerning AEK they will 100% be back next year and there will be huge wars with Olympiakos because of this hatred starting right from the owners. Also the fans hate each other. There will be big problems. These problems will result in the corrupt politicians closing the league like what we have now, the league is shut until further notice.
Concerning whether AEK will over take PAO. The second AEK return next season PAO become the 3rd biggest club in Greece fighting with PAOK for that honour. AEK are miles bigger.
Concerning the AEK stadium. It will be one of the best seats of European football if it is built. All the permits have been acquired and construction is supposed to start this month. Now I dont know how much damage will come from the referee being beaten. He was beaten with metal bars and Marinakis has implicated Melissandis. Now if it blows over, I see construction starting asap. The stadium + AEK itself in the league will hugely raise Greece. However the deficit of actual Greek stupidity and self sabotage..... who knows what will happen. Greeks are literally one of the most stupid people I have ever met and also the most bitter and jealous with their own society towards each other.
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Thanks Faliro O0
I think that rivalry could benefit the league. Yes,there will be problems but at the same time it could push both clubs forward. If they hate each other so much,probably they'll want to invest even more to beat the "enemy" ;D
Had no idea that AEK were a bigger club than PAO. Isn't the latter the second club with the most supporters in Greece?
But yeah,if AEK go forward with the new stadium,they will be in a better position to compete with Olympiakos.
Fantastic stadium.Hopefully it will become reality soon.
Well the last few decades PAO has been in decline, dying. It is a zombie now, still walking but dead inside. Correctly so given their fans are dirt.
AEK sold more season tickets last season in the 3rd division than PAO did in the first. Also AEK has a billionaire owner who the last time he was in charge of AEK in the 90s, won the league with them. They are moving up. PAOK and PAO, down.
As you said, 100% correct, the rivalry could help the league, the only problem is, the violence and idiocy that will follow with all 3 big clubs back in the league, with 3 owners with stratospheric egos.
I also see more political lines drawn next year, AEK - the anarchist - ultra leftists, PAO - the naturally stupid depressive liberals blaming the world for their problems and Olympiacos - right wing. I can seriously see big problems with these 3 back in the same city and league. Violence and ..worse... The ban in place for away fans remains, but the problems will be what happens in areas in between clubs... the suburbs, coastal areas etc. The rough outline is Piraeus/south OSFP, North and Central AEK. Central PAO.
I am watching Dawn of the Planet of the Apes atm. Amazing how similar these apes are to Greeks.. well not that similar - I was in the Greek embassy 2 weeks ago and the nasty woman there who has twice before lied to me with malice, was easily more stupid and aggressive than any of he apes in this film.. but still, that aggressive clueless face... unmistakable resemblance.. :drool:
The new AEK stadium looks beautiful. :cry2: I have to confess, they were one of the first foreign teams I started to support when I was younger. It was around the mid 90's. Glad to see them climbing their way back to the top.
I discovered them at the same time, late 90s. They won 3 leagues and 2 cups in the 90's. They produced some great players.
I am torn personally. I want them back... but the hatred and violence could be unleashed when they are back. The league is already destroyed and broken without AEK, Aris, AEL and Iraklis even in the top league... with AEK back.. there will be a massive fan base right back in the face of Greek football - and Original 21 - AEK's hooligan wing - set fire to everything...
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Just notice this todya....greece lost at home againt the Faroe Island??? What the hell happen ?
Citação de: Slipknot_BMC em 17 de Novembro de 2014, 13:37
Just notice this todya....greece lost at home againt the Faroe Island??? What the hell happen ?
:rir:
Ranieri happened.
How can someone still hire Ranieri to coach a team these days?
Citação de: Gottschalk em 17 de Novembro de 2014, 15:15
How can someone still hire Ranieri to coach a team these days?
Probably the biggest loser of all time.
Trained Fiorentina,Chelsea, Valencia, Parma, Juventus, Roma, Inter and Monaco.
Managed to win the Italian Cup and one SuperCup(against Oporto, thank God).
Citação de: Gottschalk em 17 de Novembro de 2014, 15:15
How can someone still hire Ranieri to coach a team these days?
You mean someone like this?
(http://www.fromdusktildawn.org.uk/Pictures%20in%20sections/Animals/funny_monkey.jpg)
Here is the monkey Sarris when he shaves:
(http://www.futbolarena.com/imagesYUK/201411/b/tpi2yq3vzRMQ9c2DX1rUN.jpg)
Ranieri is the proof (one more, not the 1st neither the last) that even a looser can make a long carreer in professional football.
Most important thing in football is: You just need to know the right persons!
In this case, i'm sorry for Greek national federation have learned that so late.
Attack on referee official opens Pandora's box in soccer
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By Thanos Blounas
The mafia-like attack on the Alternate President of the Central Refereeing Committee (KED), Christoforos Zografos on Thursday night, and everything that followed with the knee-jerk reaction by the Hellenic Football Federation (EPO) to decide the suspension of all league action indefinitely, along with the accusations by Olympiakos president Vangelis Marinakis and by Dimitris Melissanidis, highlight and confirm the extent of rot in Greek soccer.
Everything that was said on Friday points clearly to the clash of strong and well-organized interests, that is taking place on the field of soccer and tends to spiral out of control.
AEK Athens strongman Melissanidis responded to the accusations by Marinakis – that Melissanidis demanded Zografos and EPO head Giorgos Sarris to appoint specific referees to the second-division match between Panachaiki and AEK – saying that "the people who have been summoned for some time now to answer to Justice and the prosecutors in the context of the investigation into the existence of a criminal organization in soccer, those who are accused of blackmailing, bribing, beatings and explosions, and who have ignored any value of healthy competition by undermining soccer in our country, have the cheek to speak about morality, values and progress."
Panathinaikos, which plays a leading role in the highlighting of corruption instances in soccer, has expressed its position saying: "We unequivocally condemn [Thursday's] deplorable occurrence, which people under investigation by Justice cannot hijack. We are blaming the government for its criminal tolerance of the growing rot in soccer all these years. This tolerance, as we have already stated, now entails guilt. We are also calling on Justice to accelerate its work and avert the upcoming statute of limitations for felonies."
For its part, the federation rushed hastily to make that spectacular decision for the indefinite suspension of all leagues, following its typical tactics of burying its collective head in the sand. It has failed to order an investigation to determine the actual facts after one of its members was attacked due to his competences.
The federation has also failed to refute what Marinakis claimed at the board meeting of the Super League, i.e. that Sarris and Zografos have been at the receiving end of pressures and threats intended to have specific referees appointed. On the contrary, Sarris unashamedly put the blame for the attack on Zografos on the press!
Yet what is most important is that the EPO president and its administration have incited the intervention of Justice and have already been summoned to testify as suspects about the case concerning the existence of a criminal organization in soccer. The EPO management is also facing criminal charges on the "healthcare card", according to Article 391 of the Penal Code, and its members have been summoned as suspects for the case of the fake social security and tax clearance documents.
Against all these phenomena of complete rot and corruption, the government has chosen to play the role of the passive viewer, showing a characteristic indifference. Furthermore, part of the Justice system is clearly stalling on cases of criminal character, such as the scandal of match-fixing, running the risk of the statute of limitations.
ekathimerini.com , Sunday November 16, 2014 (23:04)
From what i read that you post here... Greek football is/will be in big crisis.
Accusations from both sides will not stop for sure...
Whats the odd of police catch the guys who assaulted that Zografos? none or close, i bet.
0 chance of arrests
What is interesting is Sarris can't stop lying. Firstly he said Fyssas was someone who wanted Ranieri, which turned out to be a lie. Then he said Hugh Dallas (famous Scottish referee who works for the EPO now) was thinking of resigning due to threats on his life. Hugh Dallas came out today and said he has received no threats, but that if he did, then he would think about leaving.
Many people now in Greece are wondering how to get rid of Sarris.
Hugh Dallas was brought in, because of huge pressure to allow foreign referees to fight corruption. Zografos, a former FIFA referee, worked for Hugh Dallas..
Here is what Marinakis said after the attack:
"The police and legal authorities need to look into this in great depth, we must all work together to stop this filth," he told reporters after a meeting of Super League officials.
"I went to the meeting to discuss names and say what I've learned from my colleagues and collaborators about this murderous act," former Super League president Marinakis added.
"We are talking about human lives here, it's no longer about an insult, or bitter comments which are said on the radio or television in the heat of the moment; we are talking about a murderous attack on the man that is very lucky to be alive."
Marinakis also said he was available to help police with their enquiries into the incident and made references to evidence of threatening behaviour towards referees which he said was rife in the lower divisions.
"All of this is highly unacceptable and it will not be long before we find it in front of us in a few months in the Super League - that's why we have an obligation to denounce it and end it here."
Now one should note at this point he went on to accuse Melissanidis.
Dimitris Melissanidis, owner of AEK is worth around $3 billion. He is the world's largest supplier of fuel oil. Now this man - nick named 'Tiger', whose parents were from the Caucasus - making him a Pontian Greek, is severely dangerous. You can read about his controversies here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitris_Melissanidis
I have no doubt he could be complicit in this problem.
(http://www.paraskhnio.gr/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/dimitris-melissanidis.jpg)
A billionaire who cames from zero. Somewhat like Chelsea owner?
We have many in Portugal (but in general not so wealth), mainly all appeared as politics first and after that huge careers in banks, lawyers firms, construction companys, etc.
I personally think all of them are dirty, but that's my general idea for politics.
And if i understand correctly, according to Olympiakos president Zografos was attacked due to refuse Melissandis pressure on choosing refs for AEK matches?
Just passed by to say that I will be the Portuguese Aristotle Onassis. :metal:
You've read here first.
Citação de: Eddie_ em 18 de Novembro de 2014, 15:27
A billionaire who cames from zero. Somewhat like Chelsea owner?
We have many in Portugal (but in general not so wealth), mainly all appeared as politics first and after that huge careers in banks, lawyers firms, construction companys, etc.
I personally think all of them are dirty, but that's my general idea for politics.
And if i understand correctly, according to Olympiakos president Zografos was attacked due to refuse Melissandis pressure on choosing refs for AEK matches?
You understand correctly and given Tiger's previous ''dealings'' with the EPO and football institutions, it is 100% credible.
From today:
Kone vs Matic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqIlhThByvQ
:2funny:
He then attacks maniatis!
What a crazy dude.
If only he was talented... Most the team greece usually uses is rubbish and they nearly all play in Italy..
............................karnezis (Udinese)..............................
Toro (Roma)......Manolas (Roma) Moras (Verona).............Xolebas (Roma)
Kone (Udinese).......XXXXX.........Tatchidis (Verona)..........Lazaros (Verona)
....................................XXXXXX.......XXXXXX....................
This is now the worst run of games in Greek history. 1 goal in 8 hours.
Now there are lots of injuries, but if everyone was fit, the team I would put... so many Greeks would hate me for...
...........................................Paschalakis (Panthrakikos)......................................
Torosidis (Roma)............Manolas (Roma).......Sokratis (Dortmund)....Xolebas (Roma)
............................K.Papadopoulos (Bayer Lev)....Samaris (Benfica).....................
Ninis (PAO)..........................Fetfatzidis (Genoa)..............Bruno Araujo (Ergotelis)
.................................................Mitroglou (Olympiakos)......................................
Players I would not allow near the team? Vynta, Mavrias, Kone, Maniatis, Lazaros, Tziolis, Moras, Fortounis, Samaras and many more.
Fernando Santos = God
The master of the 1-0! :drunk:
Wait....Sokratis doesn't play? :huh:
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Novembro de 2014, 21:50
The master of the 1-0! :drunk:
Also master of the 3-0/3-1 away defeats.
Citação de: HJDK em 18 de Novembro de 2014, 21:52
Wait....Sokratis doesn't play? :huh:
Injured: Sokratis, Xolebas, Fetfatzidis, Ninis, Fortunis, Salpigidis, Kyriakos Papadopoulos, Siovas, ..... :tickedoff: Mitroglou.... eating a hamburger...
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/dee638b4bff58c5d3342f5d0b8f95808/tumblr_nf3erh5gmX1t9xvgao1_1280.jpg)
PAOK Thessaloniki
Amazing.
Todays News:
Marinakis testified to the what he knows about the attack of the referee in Court.
Sarris testified today in Court also.
Tomorrow Mellisanidis will give an official statement to the press. Expect explosions.
The president of Panaitolikos, Kostoulas, said if this was Sweden instead of Greece, Sarris would resign. Sarris is embroiled in a criminal court case and it is unthinkable of him to stay on. He said he is also looking to sell his club.
The former president of the EPO - Gagatsis, said that if he was Sarris, he would resign.
Xanthi gave an official statement that they are considering leaving the Super League because of this corruption.
We still don't know for sure if there will be games this weekend.
Faliro
Samaris is a real bulshit..... ::bater::
Citação de: ZICKLER em 19 de Novembro de 2014, 16:14
Faliro
Samaris is a real bulshit..... ::bater::
No, he isn't.
Faliro, lets do a Bankrupt International League, the best teams of:
-Portugal
-Italy
-Spain
-Greece
Who da fuck needs UCL.
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Novembro de 2014, 16:12
Todays News:
Marinakis testified to the what he knows about the attack of the referee in Court.
Sarris testified today in Court also.
Tomorrow Mellisanidis will give an official statement to the press. Expect explosions.
The president of Panaitolikos, Kostoulas, said if this was Sweden instead of Greece, Sarris would resign. Sarris is embroiled in a criminal court case and it is unthinkable of him to stay on. He said he is also looking to sell his club.
The former president of the EPO - Gagatsis, said that if he was Sarris, he would resign.
Xanthi gave an official statement that they are considering leaving the Super League because of this corruption.
We still don't know for sure if there will be games this weekend.
Things are hot in Greece.
Sarris will be out, right? That is good for who?
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Novembro de 2014, 20:32
From today:
Kone vs Matic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqIlhThByvQ
:2funny:
He then attacks maniatis!
Who is that Kone? Matic didn't made anything special...
And attacking a teammate when you are playing for national team, thats ankward
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Novembro de 2014, 20:32
From today:
Kone vs Matic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqIlhThByvQ
:2funny:
He then attacks maniatis!
'' I'll kill you!!!! oh wait... is the Matic... '' :rir:
Citação de: ZICKLER em 19 de Novembro de 2014, 16:14
Faliro
Samaris is a real bulshit..... ::bater::
This season he has fallen in form quite a bit. He just needs a good game to get back.
Citação de: Eddie_ em 19 de Novembro de 2014, 16:24
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Novembro de 2014, 16:12
Todays News:
Marinakis testified to the what he knows about the attack of the referee in Court.
Sarris testified today in Court also.
Tomorrow Mellisanidis will give an official statement to the press. Expect explosions.
The president of Panaitolikos, Kostoulas, said if this was Sweden instead of Greece, Sarris would resign. Sarris is embroiled in a criminal court case and it is unthinkable of him to stay on. He said he is also looking to sell his club.
The former president of the EPO - Gagatsis, said that if he was Sarris, he would resign.
Xanthi gave an official statement that they are considering leaving the Super League because of this corruption.
We still don't know for sure if there will be games this weekend.
Things are hot in Greece.
Sarris will be out, right? That is good for who?
I doubt Sarris will resign. He said he wont yesterday. He makes a lot of money and thinks he can ride this storm..
Citação de: Eddie_ em 19 de Novembro de 2014, 16:26
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Novembro de 2014, 20:32
From today:
Kone vs Matic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqIlhThByvQ
:2funny:
He then attacks maniatis!
Who is that Kone? Matic didn't made anything special...
And attacking a teammate when you are playing for national team, thats ankward
:estrelas: Kone is a nutcase Albanian Greek who is overrated, severely. He also has a big temper like Xolebas. I think his face was smashed a bit, his nose was bleeding on the sidelines when he went for treatment, but Matic did not seem to have malicious intent. Just out-muscled him. Kone is just one of the many players in the Greek setup that even San Marino would not take if they had an option on him.
In other news Sport24 took a poll of who the greek public want to be next manager. Sakis Tsiolis won the poll with 16%. To me he is the best manager of the bunch and has no connection with the big teams of Greece. However, I doubt Sarris will let him in.
Citação de: HJDK em 19 de Novembro de 2014, 16:16
Citação de: ZICKLER em 19 de Novembro de 2014, 16:14
Faliro
Samaris is a real bulshit..... ::bater::
No, he isn't.
Faliro, lets do a Bankrupt International League, the best teams of:
-Portugal
-Italy
-Spain
-Greece
Who da fuck needs UCL.
Would be a good idea for a summer tournament as well.
New from today:
President and deputy President of the Super League quit.
Sarris however has said twice he wont quit.
Sarris said the Super League is still banned for this weekend because the referees are not safe.
NOVA has the right to start suing the EPO €2 million for each weekend of cancelled football. So far there have been 2.
Melissanidis came out today (literally, like a gay guy) and stated:
-He wants prosecutors to check Marinakis' phone for corruption.
-The building of the Karaiskaki was illegal and a theft of the Greek people.
-Olympiakos earn millions and Marinakis is not an investor, he just takes money out.
-Everyone is against him because he said he will build a better stadium than the Karaiskaki.
-Olympiakos are involved in a betting scandal.
-He said he did indeed phone Zografos, but only to wish him luck and the second time to say AEK should not get any favours in a game.. :rir:
-He and the owner of PAOK, Savvidis, have agreed Karagounis should be the new president of the EPO.
- and plenty of other shit, all here: http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Aek/melissanidhs_polemos_mexris_esxatwn.3152244.html
Afternoon news.
Nova are going to sue the Super League €2 million for illegally cancelling games. They have in their contract they can do that.
The 100s of lies melissandis spun today are already starting to unravel.
Olympiakos responded saying melissanidis has admitted speaking with a referee who was a victim of attempted murder and the rest of lies make him look like a jester. His guilt is obvious.
One of Melissanidis' claims was some bullshit about Ergotelis being funded by an offshore account.
Ergotelis just replied and stated that 75% of Ergotelis belongs to the family Papoutsakis (Mr Papoutsakis died not too long ago and was a good man), there is no offshore accounts or dealings and if Milissanidis knows of any, please come forward with evidence. They also stated they work hard not to become a club like AEK. :smokin:
Deputy of the EPO: 'We are not stupid' :rir: He also attacked the former president of the EPO Gagatsis, who said if he was Sarris he would have stepped down.
Gregão runnin' wild, I see.
"Gregão."
:2funny:
So funny...and so true.
Is a even more crazy version of our Football. It's like 90's here
Citação de: Gottschalk em 20 de Novembro de 2014, 20:04
"Gregão."
:2funny:
So funny...and so true.
Not really a term that required a lot of imagination, though. It was a matter of time until someone came up with it.
Yes, Festivus.
But it was you who eventually said it first. Συγχαρητήρια!
PAOK suggested again that there should be foreign referees in greece.
This idea has been knocking around for years in Greece. There is a slim chance this might become a reality as the Super league is now without a president and deputy..
Dunno about that. They are as corrupt as local refs.
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Novembro de 2014, 00:23
PAOK suggested again that there should be foreign referees in greece.
This idea has been knocking around for years in Greece. There is a slim chance this might become a reality as the Super league is now without a president and deputy..
We talked about that in here as well. It faded with time that option.
Foreign referees can be corrupt as well.
As a short term measure it can work but as a long term measure it is an insult to a given country's football organization.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 21 de Novembro de 2014, 14:13
Foreign referees can be corrupt as well.
As a short term measure it can work but as a long term measure it is an insult to a given country's football organization.
Exactly. Foreign refs is just trying to get around the problem without actually fixing it. The problem is, football is rotten to the core, with UEFA and especially FIFA being very corrupt, so it's hard to make a change. Goal line technology was only used for the first time in fucking 2014, for God's sake.
I agree ^^
Today's news:
Football cancelled this weekend, all leagues.
The EPO has made contact with no coach to replace Ranieri..clearly they just concentrating on trying to hold on to their high paid jobs this week.
The presidents of PAO PAOK and AEK have joined forces to fix football and remove the 'Junta.'
Elefthopoulos, the former Oly keeper and manager of Panionios has asked Melissanidis to leave him out of his rants and not to mention him again. He also said Greek football is clinically dead.
AEK and PAO are best friends now, until they remove Olympiakos from the picture..
They decided to play a friendly today. Curious to where they got the referee from..
AEK beat PAO 3-2.. ;D AEK's best midfielder Mantalos picked up a nasty injury too.
(http://s1.aek365.com/uploads/articles/b2c45abb72c2a1d149c3e84e739e7494_58668.jpg)
Interview with Ricardo Sa Pinto about life in Greece, can use google translate:
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Atromitos/sa_pinto_den_exw_filoys_sthn_ellada.3163029.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPGSYSJ8xx8
How accurate is this? Discuss.
Just as I thought, the ref for the AEK PAO friendly game was acting illegally. He has a apologized.. no refs were allowed to work last weekend.
Citação de: HJDK em 29 de Novembro de 2014, 01:49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPGSYSJ8xx8
How accurate is this? Discuss.
I would say these one gives a better idea..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhtCR6AAwes
Citação de: Gottschalk em 20 de Novembro de 2014, 20:53
Yes, Festivus.
But it was you who eventually said it first. Συγχαρητήρια!
Actully i had already mentioned it as gragão
Faliro, is everything ok at Athens?
Another riot last night...
Far left riots happen almost every week of the year in Athens. Greece is the only country on earth that has professional anarchists.
They smash people's businesses, throw projectiles at police, set fire to cars and private property. It is seen as acceptable in Greece because Greece is deeply left wing as a country.
Xanthi vs PAOK full time!!
4-2 !!!
:metal: :metal: :metal:
;D ;D ;D
Asteras VS PAO.
Asteras said they were unsure about the 200 PAO fans at their stadium at a meeting, PAO left the meeting and 200 PAO fans stormed the stadium and are still there illegally. Game may be cancelled.
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/BEth/article3183730.ece/BINARY/w620/Pao.jpg)
useless team, they lose or draw always when they have to win.
AEK's stadium has been blocked by 17 residents.
This is usually common in Greece. Major stadiums all over the country have been blocked and never built because of a few residents objections and it doesn't take many. Usually these 'residents' are part of the communist party of Greece who protest anything 'capitalistic' but mask that fact behind protesting green space being removed or the fact that the stadium is privately owned.
Tiger (Melissanidis) - the owner of AEK, who Marinakis accused of orchestrating the beating of the referee, published the names of the 17 residents who blocked the project. They are now receiving death threats from AEK fans and some have already had their mopeds burnt or property damaged.
The communist party of Greece has come out to defend the 17 'residents' and has accused Tiger of terrorizing them.
communism :bah2:
Greece sounds like a very strange place. I gotta go there someday
Extremely strange.
But very interesting place to visit.
Seems next year the Greek league will be reduced to 16 teams. That means the bottom four teams will be relegated to make room. Personally I prefer 18 teams because it means more games, more preparation for the CL and Europa league in the summer and more opportunity for younger players.
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Dezembro de 2014, 20:00
Extremely strange.
But very interesting place to visit.
Seems next year the Greek league will be reduced to 16 teams. That means the bottom four teams will be relegated. Personally I prefer 18 teams because it means more games, more preparation for the CL and Europa league in the summer and more opportunity for younger players.
I prefer 16 teams myself. Although only 2 of them got relegated.
18 teams makes it worse, because the league already have 2 or 3 bad enough teams to be on the first tier and now we got a couple more. Also, with the shitty League Cup(competition created in 2007) and European games, it just makes our schedule heavier.
So you have the league + two cup competitions, + europe?
right
Well ok, that seems a lot.
In Greece we have one shitty cup... which is soon over!
And I want as many games as possible! :crazy2:
And our league cup doesn't give access to Europe. Ridiculous.
AEK are trying to get Orlando Sa:
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Aek/orlanto-sa-kserw-gia-to-endiaferon-ths-aek.3191023.html
One of my facebook friends posted this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBpNu4_TP9w
Do you pray to Zeus, Faliro?
I don't pray to Zeus, lol. But I respect the ancient religion of my ancestors as holding more truth to humanity than the Desert God of the ChrisMusJews.
I am upset the Greek Government sees the ancient religion as below Islam and Judaism and refuses them permission to pray at temples. However, I understand it to. Greeks are fully indoctrinated, like most the Mediterranean, to the Hebrew Desert God. They see the ancient religion of the twelve gods as a threat because they know its power was once very great - however they see Islam and Judaism as sister religions to Christianity.
What is interesting is there were a few famous Byzantine figures who argued to go back to the 12 Gods, but I doubt not even one percent of Greeks know that.
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Dezembro de 2014, 00:24
I don't pray to Zeus, lol. But I respect the ancient religion of my ancestors as holding more truth to humanity than the Desert God of the ChrisMusJews.
Faliro... :bow2:
I would sooner pray to Zeus, than to Jesus or Mohammed.
We Portuguese did have as well our own pagan beliefs, with Celtic origins and later obviously influenced by Greek/Roman mythology, before they infected us with that highly noxious religion, called Christianism. And much like you, I'm very proud of those beliefs and deities. O0
You don't pray for Jesus, you pray for his father. :P
Btw, for me, sooner or later, all religions are doomed to be mythology. So I rather like the cool ones, like Greek, Egyptian, and Nordic tales. I'm also a lot into the Japanese Shinto and all their folclore and legends.
Christianism is so lame. For you it's probably ordinary but you can't imagine how cool is to say names like Andromeda, Prometheus, Perseus, Artemis, Achilles, Heracles and so on. Talkin' about the twelve Olympians, Centaurs, Argonauts? :smokin: All ladies would be stunned.
Bitch, I pray to whomever I want! If I say that I pray to the scurvy lad that took a bite of the multiplied bread and fish, you can't stop me! >:(
I am not surprised there are so many enlightened members on here. O0 O0 O0 O0
One thing usually follows another in my experience and the fact you guys have such an open mind to football from other countries and are so welcoming to me and others, it follows you are also advanced spiritually.
Greeks are funny people. I suspect many are secretly fascinated with the Gods that dominated their ancient culture but many stay quiet most the time not to annoy more traditional Greeks who may be superstitious anything pagan is sinful.
What is interesting is many Greeks still have pagan names. Many Greeks today are called Achilleos, Heracles, Perikles, Sokratis, Themistokles (my middle name), Dionysos, Orestes, Stefanos, Nestoras, Minas etc etc
Many football clubs are named after pagan gods or ideals: Iraklis (Hercules), Aris (Ares), Atromitos (fearless), Apollon Athens (Apollo Athens), etc etc Some even have bizarre pagan slogans, like Panaitolikos in the Super League. On their emblem it reads: Titormos the Etolian is another Hercules:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Panetolikos_F.C._logo.png/175px-Panetolikos_F.C._logo.png)
Sometimes when people ask me if I am religious, I say, 'I worship the Dodekatheon' - just to see their reactions! :2funny:
Are there many pagans in portugal?
This reminds me of a conversation I had with a Norwegian friend of mine once. He told me that they barely learn about the Viking age and the Vikings' spiritual beliefs in school at all.
I find Celtic and Norse to be the most interesting mythologies. Also a fan of some of the Japanese an Greek mythologies. In the Japanese case, I like how the Japanese know how to mix beliefs and traditions from several religions and make them able to co-exist peacefully. Shinto deals with "pure" stuff like births, while Buddhism deals with "impure" stuff such as death. As for weddings, Japanese people like Western-themed weddings. Hell, if you're a white guy living in Japan, you can do that for a living. Act like a priest, pick and get money for acting in a wedding ;D. Indian mythology and religions like Hinduism raise a lot of interest in young people but I personally never cared much about it.
Greek gods were a bunch of perverts. I remember us tlakign about Odysseus/Ulisses in history class and my desk mate cracking jokes about Odysseus/Ulisses' wife cheating on him while he was away... and him cheating on her as well: with men, women and even goats. Sounds retarded now, but as a 14 year old I laughed my ass off the whole class.
You have a nice middle name, Faliro. :) Nowadays, Sokratis is a cursed named in Portugal. ;D
Most portuguese(84,6%, based on the 2011 census) follow Catholicism. But I would say that half of these are non active in religious terms(myself included). It's a normal result for almost 40 years of dictatorship and repression. Education was very restricted, only rich people or via The Church(funny, ain't it?) could study.
Paganism is not a thing in Portugal, even despite the fact that we have tradition in that matter. We have an association though:
http://pt.paganfederation.org/
Citação de: HJDK em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:28
You have a nice middle name, Faliro. :) Nowadays, Sokratis is a cursed named in Portugal. ;D
Most portuguese(84,6%, based on the 2011 census) follow Catholicism. But I would say that half of these are non active in religious terms(myself included). It's a normal result for almost 40 years of dictatorship and repression. Education was very restricted, only rich people or via The Church(funny, ain't it?) could study.
Paganism is not a thing in Portugal, even despite the fact that we have tradition in that matter. We have an association though:
http://pt.paganfederation.org/
And Angelos... Charisteas. THAT BASTARD!!!! ::bater:: ::bater:: ::bater:: ::bater:: ::bater::
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:14
Are there many pagans in portugal?
Unfortunately I would say there are close to none. I personally know only a handful of people that might fit into that criteria but I wouldn't say they practice it on traditional standards. I myself fit to a point, but my poor knowledge (in comparison) on subject keeps me from calling myself that. For instance, I have never heard about any sort of pagan rites happening inside the country, clandestine or not, but it is something I would like to get to know better and have felt increasingly curious about it over the years.
Personally, I would very much appreciate to witness or participate for example in a Yule like the old days or any sort of pagan ritual evoked by our Lusitanian ancestors but it's a shame that this Historical and Cultural part of us, Portuguese, is slowly fading away and getting forgotten. They don't teach us anything from the Lusitanian mythology on our schools and although I am extremely proud and deeply respect our "more recent" History, coming from when we became a recognized independent country (1143), it's a shame that we only get to know that a thousand years before that, we were lead by this mighty warrior and strategist called Viriato (Viriathus), who fiercely repelled and consecutevely defeated the Romans on the battlefield, until he got betrayed and killed by one of them.
But that's a good one mate, next time people ask me beliefs I'll just answer that "I worship Endovélico and Ataegina", the two most important deities of Lusitanian mythology, haha!
Citação de: Festivus em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:26
This reminds me of a conversation I had with a Norwegian friend of mine once. He told me that they barely learn about the Viking age and the Vikings' spiritual beliefs in school at all.
I find Celtic and Norse to be the most interesting mythologies. Also a fan of some of the Japanese an Greek mythologies. In the Japanese case, I like how the Japanese know how to mix beliefs and traditions from several religions and make them able to co-exist peacefully. Shinto deals with "pure" stuff like births, while Buddhism deals with "impure" stuff such as death. As for weddings, Japanese people like Western-themed weddings. Hell, if you're a white guy living in Japan, you can do that for a living. Act like a priest, pick and get money for acting in a wedding ;D. Indian mythology and religions like Hinduism raise a lot of interest in young people but I personally never cared much about it.
Greek gods were a bunch of perverts. I remember us tlakign about Odysseus/Ulisses in history class and my desk mate cracking jokes about Odysseus/Ulisses' wife cheating on him while he was away... and him cheating on her as well: with men, women and even goats. Sounds retarded now, but as a 14 year old I laughed my ass off the whole class.
I agree about the Norse beliefs, they are immensely cool. I am also fascinated by Japan from an early age and still read manga and have some good anime collections (Elfen Lied probably being my favorite).
Interesting point you made about modern Norwegians not being taught to much about their ancient religions. It does seem a bit odd how the education systems of many European cultures mask big parts of their past. My wife knew some Norweigens and the mother constantly reminded her kids they were once Vikings to the point her kids would tell people they were descended from Vikings when they met other kids. :2funny:
I was forced to read Homer's Iliad at university in London as part of my literature course and was amazed at how much violence and bloodshed there was intermixed with honour and disenchantment. The image of Ares coming down to the battlefield and chopping up Greeks with ease was one of my abiding images. It was a very hard poem to read but it did remind me a lot of something Japanese. Unashamed violence and questioning of the soul. The Odyssey was also really weird, but wonderful at the same time - and slightly easier to read. I especially liked Book 11 (Book of the Dead).
The real mythologies of ancient Greece are super violent and usually end in murder. There is also lots of interference from Gods and marriage problems. Quite entertaining really.
Citação de: HJDK em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:28
http://pt.paganfederation.org/
Damn HJDK, this is great, been looking for a site like this for some time, thanks a bunch. I'll buy you a mead mug when I'll meet you man!
@H
http://www.dn.pt/inicio/portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=1609456
Citação de: HJDK em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:28
You have a nice middle name, Faliro. :) Nowadays, Sokratis is a cursed named in Portugal. ;D
Most portuguese(84,6%, based on the 2011 census) follow Catholicism. But I would say that half of these are non active in religious terms(myself included). It's a normal result for almost 40 years of dictatorship and repression. Education was very restricted, only rich people or via The Church(funny, ain't it?) could study.
Paganism is not a thing in Portugal, even despite the fact that we have tradition in that matter. We have an association though:
http://pt.paganfederation.org/
Interesting. Christianity has had quite a history of elitism in general. For about 300 years, the only degree on offer at Oxford and Cambridge were 'Christian studies.' :confused: :whistle2:
Citação de: Festivus em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:26
This reminds me of a conversation I had with a Norwegian friend of mine once. He told me that they barely learn about the Viking age and the Vikings' spiritual beliefs in school at all.
That's curious. I am currently sharing a flat with other four people and one of them it's a Norwegian girl and she is quite an enthusiastic fan of the Norse mythology, but I think she learned all about it on school, if I remember correctly.
Citação de: H em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:37
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:14
Are there many pagans in portugal?
Unfortunately I would say there are close to none. I personally know only a handful of people that might fit into that criteria but I wouldn't say they practice it on traditional standards. I myself fit to a point, but my poor knowledge (in comparison) on subject keeps me from calling myself that. For instance, I have never heard about any sort of pagan rites happening inside the country, clandestine or not, but it is something I would like to get to know better and have felt increasingly curious about it over the years.
Personally, I would very much appreciate to witness or participate for example in a Yule like the old days or any sort of pagan ritual evoked by our Lusitanian ancestors but it's a shame that this Historical and Cultural part of us, Portuguese, is slowly fading away and getting forgotten. They don't teach us anything from the Lusitanian mythology on our schools and although I am extremely proud and deeply respect our "more recent" History, coming from when we became a recognized independent country (1143), it's a shame that we only get to know that a thousand years before that, we were lead by this mighty warrior and strategist called Viriato (Viriathus), who fiercely repelled and consecutevely defeated the Romans on the battlefield, until he got betrayed and killed by one of them.
But that's a good one mate, next time people ask me beliefs I'll just answer that "I worship Endovélico and Ataegina", the two most important deities of Lusitania mythology, haha!
So if someone asks you where you are from, you can say Lusitania!! :smokin:
Pretty cool name. I will have to research this ancient Portuguese religion!
By the way your avatar is very good. :bow2:
The human and the need to kneel down.
Citação de: PsychoFan em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:51
The human and the need to kneel down.
I DONT KNEEL DOWN BCAUSE DIS IS SPARTA
Citação de: PsychoFan em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:51
The human and the need to kneel down.
That need definitely exists in my opinion. I have no idea what is up there.. or down there.. ::)
However I relate far more to the ancient Gods who drank, had sex, got high and cherished the arts that the Hebrew desert God who seems a bit too ''foreign'' to my culture.
I went to catholic school, so had to study the Bible for over 8 years - and even on an aesthetic level, I usually preferred other mythologies to the Biblical Judaic ones - most of their stories were borrowed from the Babylonians anyway...
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:48
So if someone asks you where you are from, you can say Lusitania!! :smokin:
Pretty cool name. I will have to research this ancient Portuguese religion!
By the way your avatar is very good. :bow2:
Yeah, that would be a good one as well! Although I love our country's name, I confess that "Lusitânia" bears some sort of raw power and magic to it. :smokin:
About Lusitanian mythology, I suspect there's not much info available about it in other languages, but I might be wrong. Tell me if you find anything, there's some info on Wikipedia about it and its major deities by the way.
Thanks, always had a soft spot for painting and the one-eared Dutchman always was one of my favourites. ^-^
Impressionism and Expressionism are probably my two favorite art movements. I like me some Surrealism as well, especially Dali.
Got two van Gogh paintings(replicas, obviously) hanging on my apartment walls. My parents are both fans of him.
Citação de: H em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:57
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:48
So if someone asks you where you are from, you can say Lusitania!! :smokin:
Pretty cool name. I will have to research this ancient Portuguese religion!
By the way your avatar is very good. :bow2:
Yeah, that would be a good one as well! Although I love our country's name, I confess that "Lusitânia" bears some sort of raw power and magic to it. :smokin:
About Lustianian mythology, I suspect there's not much info available about it in other languages, but I might be wrong. Tell me if you find anything, there's some info on Wikipedia about it and its major deities by the way.
Thanks, always had a soft spot for painting and the one-eared Dutchman always was one of my favourites. ^-^
Wiki will be my first port of call! :2funny:
BTW I will tell you something crazy.. on the subject of Greeks and their secret feelings for the Dodekatheon.
My mother christened me Greek Orthodox (pissed off my father who was Catalan/English). Both my mother and father never mentioned God/religion to me as I suspect neither have a fucking clue if he/it exists. :2funny: However my mother would light candles in front of her old icon her father gave her in times of need.
Years and years ago when I was small, my mother was watching a programme on TV about aviation and I will never forget, she turned to me and said quietly, '... you know, men are Gods in their own right - never forget that.'
Years and years later I asked her what she meant by that and she uncomfortably admitted her Greek father used to tell her that and that she believed it. That to me is an example of shreds of southern European paganism surviving 1500 years of Christianity. Most Greeks never fully let go of their pagan past, it just became increasingly difficult to mention it without being ridiculed.
Hindu is interresting, i live now with a indian guy and i've been learing some good stuffs. Actually it's not a religion, it's culture, way of life.
Btw i used to pray to my mother asking money and cloths
Citação de: Festivus em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 02:04
Impressionism and Expressionism are probably my two favorite art movements. I like me some Surrealism as well, especially Dali.
Got two van Gogh paintings(replicas, obviously) hanging on my apartment walls. My parents are both fans of him.
I like Dali, fascinating artist. When I used to go to Barcelona, I always noticed everything was Gaudi, Miro etc Books, post cards, everything. I once asked why it was hard to find anything on Dali - who was also Catalan. They would all go quiet -'dali was a fascist!' ;D
The only catalan thing that can catalans don't talk about is Dali!
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 02:09
Btw i used to pray to my mother asking money and cloths
I would just use heavy emotional blackmail.. :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 02:09
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 02:09
Btw i used to pray to my mother asking money and cloths
I would just use heavy emotional blackmail.. :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Or to my maths teacher asking him for more lessons
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:56
Citação de: PsychoFan em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:51
The human and the need to kneel down.
That need definitely exists in my opinion. I have no idea what is up there.. or down there.. ::)
However I relate far more to the ancient Gods who drank, had sex, got high and cherished the arts that the Hebrew desert God who seems a bit too ''foreign'' to my culture.
I went to catholic school, so had to study the Bible for over 8 years - and even on an aesthetic level, I usually preferred other mythologies to the Biblical Judaic ones - most of their stories were borrowed from the Babylonians anyway...
The ancient gods were extraterrestrials who manipulated and controlled the incarnates. The god of the old testament including. Worshiping these gods is to worship who deprives you of your Freedom. Or in these days who deprived.
Citação de: PsychoFan em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 02:12
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:56
Citação de: PsychoFan em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:51
The human and the need to kneel down.
That need definitely exists in my opinion. I have no idea what is up there.. or down there.. ::)
However I relate far more to the ancient Gods who drank, had sex, got high and cherished the arts that the Hebrew desert God who seems a bit too ''foreign'' to my culture.
I went to catholic school, so had to study the Bible for over 8 years - and even on an aesthetic level, I usually preferred other mythologies to the Biblical Judaic ones - most of their stories were borrowed from the Babylonians anyway...
The ancient gods were extraterrestrials who manipulated and controlled the incarnates. The god of the old testament including. Worshiping these gods is to worship who deprives you of your Freedom. Or in these days who deprived.
I believe in the Dodekatheon, it was believed man was engineered by Prometheus and Epimetheus who were both titans. So in that case, we are the invention of aliens.
The Judaic God was also an alien it seems so either way we were built by aliens. :estrelas:
PsychoFan an his theories :bow2:
The bible god is just a really bad SIMS player.
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 02:16
Citação de: PsychoFan em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 02:12
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:56
Citação de: PsychoFan em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 01:51
The human and the need to kneel down.
That need definitely exists in my opinion. I have no idea what is up there.. or down there.. ::)
However I relate far more to the ancient Gods who drank, had sex, got high and cherished the arts that the Hebrew desert God who seems a bit too ''foreign'' to my culture.
I went to catholic school, so had to study the Bible for over 8 years - and even on an aesthetic level, I usually preferred other mythologies to the Biblical Judaic ones - most of their stories were borrowed from the Babylonians anyway...
The ancient gods were extraterrestrials who manipulated and controlled the incarnates. The god of the old testament including. Worshiping these gods is to worship who deprives you of your Freedom. Or in these days who deprived.
I believe in the Dodekatheon, it was believed man was engineered by Prometheus and Epimetheus the titan. So in hat case, we are the invention of aliens.
The judaic God was also an alien it seems so either way we were built by aliens. :estrelas:
Indeed lol. But understand that is not you that were built by these beings. And that's the most important. You are not what you think you are, i.e., a human.
Citação de: HJDK em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 02:17
PsychoFan an his theories :bow2:
It's not theories.
Citação de: PsychoFan em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 02:28
Citação de: HJDK em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 02:17
PsychoFan an his theories :bow2:
It's not theories.
Nulla è reale, tutto è lecito. Both you and I don't know what it's fiction and what it's not. In some way, that's part of beign human. But I wasn't mocking you or anything, I do enjoy your posts. :)
Citação de: Festivus em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 02:04
Impressionism and Expressionism are probably my two favorite art movements. I like me some Surrealism as well, especially Dali.
Got two van Gogh paintings(replicas, obviously) hanging on my apartment walls. My parents are both fans of him.
We have quite similar tastes mate. While I don't know too much about Expressionism, Impressionism is definitely my favourite movement, Monet, Renoir, Degas, Vuillard and Caillebotte are absolutely revered, if not worshipped, by me. Van Gogh is a very special man as well, he started and developed within a certain movement (I think he had an impressionist phase if I remember correctly, when he hanged around the dirty Parisian cafés of the Bélle Epoque with Toulouse-Lautrec and others) but then created their own style and became an unique, inimitable master.
Surrealism was the first movement I got into, after witnessing the relations between some Fernando Pessoa's poems and some Magritte's paintings, so it definitely holds a special place in my heart. Dalí, De Chirico e Magritte are the ones I like the most. Never got too much into Picasso and his surrealism, for some reason...
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 02:05
Wiki will be my first port of call! :2funny:
BTW I will tell you something crazy.. on the subject of Greeks and their secret feelings for the Dodekatheon.
My mother christened me Greek Orthodox (pissed off my father who was Catalan/English). Both my mother and father never mentioned God/religion to me as I suspect neither have a fucking clue if he/it exists. :2funny: However my mother would light candles in front of her old icon her father gave her in times of need.
Years and years ago when I was small, my mother was watching a programme on TV about aviation and I will never forget, she turned to me and said quietly, 'Vitas... you know, men are Gods in their own right - never forget that.'
Years and years later I asked her what she meant by that and she uncomfortably admitted her Greek father used to tell her that and that she believed it. That to me is an example of shreds of southern European paganism surviving 1500 years of Christianity. Most Greeks never fully let go of their pagan past, it just became increasingly difficult to mention it without being ridiculed.
Wow Faliro, you are bloody inspired today, you managed to share with us two sort of inspirational quotes, each one on its own way:
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Dezembro de 2014, 00:24
I don't pray to Zeus, lol. But I respect the ancient religion of my ancestors as holding more truth to humanity than the Desert God of the ChrisMusJews.
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Dezembro de 2014, 00:24'Vitas... you know, men are Gods in their own right - never forget that.'
:clap1:
But that is indeed crazy and at the same time perhaps, a proof of paganism's strength I would say. Being able to resist the invading Christian religion and survive for one and a half millenium is definitely noteworthy and respectable.
You know, despite all the shit you hear me say about Christianity, deep down I have a bit of respect for the Eastern Orthodox "strain". Maybe it's because of the trip I've done around Europe, where I got to see the overwhelming and way more beautiful temples in Serbia and Bulgaria. The icons, the frescos, the panels, the iconostasis, they all seem quite beautiful to me in an aesthetic sense. Although most people here on the forum know, you're probably not aware of this, but I have a strong fascination with Russia so maybe it came from there as well.
If your last sentence is true, I would say that the first half of it something to be proud of. About being ridiculed, well... nowadays it's hard not getting ridiculed for anything really. And especially if you hold some kind of respect or adoration for something old, what you get from other people is something like "OMG dat shit is soooo old lol, you should watch some Jersey Shore, dat some new cool religion and shit bro. YOLO"
Citação de: PsychoFan em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 02:12The ancient gods were extraterrestrials who manipulated and controlled the incarnates. The god of the old testament including. Worshiping these gods is to worship who deprives you of your Freedom. Or in these days who deprived.
(http://memestorage.com/_nw/78/15225745.jpg)
:drunk:
Citação de: H em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 11:46
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 02:05
Wiki will be my first port of call! :2funny:
BTW I will tell you something crazy.. on the subject of Greeks and their secret feelings for the Dodekatheon.
My mother christened me Greek Orthodox (pissed off my father who was Catalan/English). Both my mother and father never mentioned God/religion to me as I suspect neither have a fucking clue if he/it exists. :2funny: However my mother would light candles in front of her old icon her father gave her in times of need.
Years and years ago when I was small, my mother was watching a programme on TV about aviation and I will never forget, she turned to me and said quietly, '... you know, men are Gods in their own right - never forget that.'
Years and years later I asked her what she meant by that and she uncomfortably admitted her Greek father used to tell her that and that she believed it. That to me is an example of shreds of southern European paganism surviving 1500 years of Christianity. Most Greeks never fully let go of their pagan past, it just became increasingly difficult to mention it without being ridiculed.
Wow Faliro, you are bloody inspired today, you managed to share with us two sort of inspirational quotes, each one on its own way:
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Dezembro de 2014, 00:24
I don't pray to Zeus, lol. But I respect the ancient religion of my ancestors as holding more truth to humanity than the Desert God of the ChrisMusJews.
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Dezembro de 2014, 00:24'Vitas... you know, men are Gods in their own right - never forget that.'
:clap1:
But that is indeed crazy and at the same time perhaps, a proof of paganism's strength I would say. Being able to resist the invading Christian religion and survive for one and a half millenium is definitely noteworthy and respectable.
You know, despite all the shit you hear me say about Christianity, deep down I have a bit of respect for the Eastern Orthodox "strain". Maybe it's because of the trip I've done around Europe, where I got to see the overwhelming and way more beautiful temples in Serbia and Bulgaria. The icons, the frescos, the panels, the iconostasis, they all seem quite beautiful to me in an aesthetic sense. Although most people here on the forum know, you're probably not aware of this, but I have a strong fascination with Russia so maybe it came from there as well.
If your last sentence is true, I would say that the first half of it something to be proud of. About being ridiculed, well... nowadays it's hard not getting ridiculed for anything really. And especially if you hold some kind of respect or adoration for something old, what you get from other people is something like "OMG dat shit is soooo old lol, you should watch some Jersey Shore, dat some new cool religion and shit bro. YOLO"
I am curious myself to exactly how much the eastern orthodox church has retained from pagan ceremonies, besides the obvious holy water and offerings to votives. Probably the choral singing style is very similar also.
Well, the polyphonic choral singing is definitely one of the best traits of the eastern orthodox church. I am not aware if it has influence from pagan singing, but if it does, it's just another proof of the sublime beauty that is inherent to the pagan spirit.
Well I think there is a high possibility the chant style is 'borrowed.'
I believe for example, if you transported back to 400 BC France, they would be speaking some bizarre language, but the accent would still be french.
The Orthodox chanting and choral singing is not borrowed from Judaic traditions so therefore I assume its ancestors where the ritual chants in praise of the Gods - especially while giving offerings such as fatty meats to Zeus or milk and honey to Poseidon for example.
(http://bluebus.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/aliens-meme.jpg)
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 02:20
The bible god is just a really bad SIMS player.
No, he really is very good, and his companions as well.
Citação de: nqsbenfica em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 18:58
(http://bluebus.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/aliens-meme.jpg)
Giorgio Tsoukalos :2funny:
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 19:31
Citação de: nqsbenfica em 13 de Dezembro de 2014, 18:58
(http://bluebus.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/aliens-meme.jpg)
Giorgio Tsoukalos :2funny:
;D Classic.
(http://i.imgur.com/xCfPhjc.gif)
He looks like the definition of a white guy who has just smoked some crack. Always makes me laugh. :rir:
PAS Giannina 2 PAOK 0
72 minutes'
:2funny:
Completly shit
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 18 de Dezembro de 2014, 17:01
Completly shit
Finished 3-0!
;D
They are now only 1 point ahead at the top.
Now Xanthi play PAO, lets see what they got! bet365 showing the game.
2-1 Xanthi 22'
Super game.
4-2 Xanthi 63'
Both PAO and PAOK thrashed today. O0
Finally George Sarris resigns as head of the EPO. Despite his obvious corruption and stealing, he was also the one who thought Ranieri would be a good idea and then later tried to blame his decision on other people like Fyssas. Sarris might go into politics for Syriza (communist party surprise surprise ::bater::)
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=el&tl=en&u=http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/epo/paraiththhke-apo-thn-proedria-ths-epo-o-sarrhs.3213486.html&usg=ALkJrhg_cenekyZpt-OeYgL5zKWIHRHRBg
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In other news AEK are after André Simões and Custódio.
Custodio? I thought they were serious about making AEK a big team again
Is he shit?
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Dezembro de 2014, 21:15
Is he shit?
For the second division he would be ok. If AEK wanna challenge Olympiakos next season he's just not good enough
Merry Christmas, Faliro!
Merry Christmas to all my Benfica friends.
Very happy I was lucky enough to find this great place.
Feliz Natal
O0 O0 O0 O0
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Dezembro de 2014, 22:07
Merry Christmas to all my Benfica friends.
Very happy I was lucky enough to find this great place.
O0 O0 O0 O0
Καλά Χριστούγεννα for you. :)
Merry Christmas, Faliro :)
And Merry Christimas to our italian friend that is an interista, Lm_... :)
Cheers to both ! :drunk:
Merry Christmas, Faliro and others foreigns members
Happy New Year Faliro, Lm and other foreign membres :bandeiraslb2:
:drunk:
Happy New Year and for your clubs! ( Less when they play against Benfica )
For Faliro, ευτυχισμένο το νέο έτος.
For Дућа, Срећна Нова Година
For LM, buon anno.
Happy New Year for all. :cheerleaders:
And Benfica champion :slb2: :slb2:
Happy new year friends. :smokin:
I hope you take the league Benfica and I hope the same for my club and also we go a bit further in Europe this time round.
Gattuso finally left OFI.
Greece will go to elections..
Some other shit I can't remember.. I am still drunk from yesterday..
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Janeiro de 2015, 03:21
Happy new year friends. :smokin:
I hope you take the league Benfica and I hope the same for my club and also we go a bit further in Europe this time round.
Gattuso finally left OFI.
Greece will go to elections..
Some other shit I can't remember.. I am still drunk from yesterday..
TSIPRAS! TSIPRAS!
I fear for the future of Greece and EU. :'(
The EU has much to learn like all of us.
Will it learn the good way or the bad way? :tomates:
If the EU was controlled by Europeans for the good of Europe, it will be painless.
However the EU is controlled by banks, so...
Faliro
Samaris.....8/10
;D
Samaris.......5/10
::bater::
Samaris as an '8' in the champions League for Michel's Olympiakos 8/10.
Samaris as a '6' in the Portuguese League for Jesus' Benfica - 6/10.
:tomates:
However, I seen him play quite good sometimes for Benfica, 7-8/10.
Samaris is adapting himself to a new reality and a new position.
I'm confident he can deliver in the long run.
Sá Pinto, Atrominos coach, said that the greek player has the cult of just playing hardly during the matches, but still they lack the same commitment when during the training sessions, that's what the main failure from the Hellas futebol...
Citação de: nqsbenfica em 03 de Janeiro de 2015, 23:53
Sá Pinto, Atrominos coach, said that the greek player has the cult of just playing hardly during the matches, but still they lack the same commitment when during the training sessions, that's what the main failure from the Hellas futebol...
^^ Fascinating. Do you have link to the article?
Sa Pinto has a unique insight.
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Janeiro de 2015, 00:59
Citação de: nqsbenfica em 03 de Janeiro de 2015, 23:53
Sá Pinto, Atrominos coach, said that the greek player has the cult of just playing hardly during the matches, but still they lack the same commitment when during the training sessions, that's what the main failure from the Hellas futebol...
^^ Fascinating. Do you have link to the article?
Sa Pinto has a unique insight.
http://www.record.xl.pt/Entrevistas/interior.aspx?content_id=923004
Looks like the AEK stadium will be blocked.
AEK needed the municipality to give a small bit of land (next to the stadium plot) with about 54 trees on it. In compensation for this small bit of land AEK promised to plant 500 trees elsewhere in the park.
Syriza has refused this deal.
Here are the trees in question:
(http://s1.aek365.com/uploads/articles/bf43073553eebebccf25b6287a069b58_373463.jpg)
(http://s1.aek365.com/uploads/articles/f34ea55355b53d450f2f1baa017409be_373463.jpg)
completely nonsense
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Janeiro de 2015, 18:11
Looks like the AEK stadium will be blocked.
AEK needed the municipality to give a small bit of land (next to the stadium plot) with about 54 trees on it. In compensation for this small bit of land AEK promised to plant 500 trees elsewhere in the park.
Syriza has refused this deal.
wtf :rir:
Ninis finally got his blue card and started the cup game for PAO.
He promptly ran past 3 players and scored a good goal (1 min 5 seconds):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZAs6ARllug
Hugo Almeida says he has no problem playing for AEK, but is unaware of the rumour.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=el&tl=pt&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sport24.gr%2Ffootball%2Fomades%2FAek%2Fougko-almeida-thelw-na-paiksw-sthn-aek.3238520.html&sandbox=1
Asteras 3
PAOK 0
And it is only half time! :2funny:
Gianniotas with 2 goals. Said it for years, one of the biggest talents in Greece. Super player.
Asteras 3
PAOK 0
Huge trashing. Cut them open easily. Should have been 5. Gianniotas once again superb, Asteras has too many south Americans for PAOK to cope with. This is the 11 they started with:
Tomas Kosicky
Khalifa Sankare
Anastasios Tsokanis
Brian Lluy
Dorin Goian
Juan Manuel Munafo
Giorgios Zisopoulos
Giannis Gianniotas
Pablo Mazza Facundo
Jeronimo Barrales
Martin Rolle
Highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiVNoUG8EQo
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Janeiro de 2015, 19:35
Ninis finally got his blue card and started the cup game for PAO.
He promptly ran past 3 players and scored a good goal (1 min 5 seconds):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZAs6ARllug
I don't know why, but I always liked Ninis quite a lot. Maybe it's because I had him in Benfica in FM 2010 and he was quite a beast. But I rememeber him scoring several super goals, one particularly on Champions League, can't remember against who.
Even though he's on PAO now, if you had the chance previously, would you oppose to have him in Olympiakos Squad?
Citação de: H em 11 de Janeiro de 2015, 02:18
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Janeiro de 2015, 19:35
Ninis finally got his blue card and started the cup game for PAO.
He promptly ran past 3 players and scored a good goal (1 min 5 seconds):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZAs6ARllug
I don't know why, but I always liked Ninis quite a lot. Maybe it's because I had him in Benfica in FM 2010 and he was quite a beast. But I rememeber him scoring several super goals, one particularly on Champions League, can't remember against who.
Even though he's on PAO now, if you had the chance previously, would you oppose to have him in Olympiakos Squad?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEm5x53u-So
Some super goals in here.. ^^
He is a huge talent. He took apart Roma single handedly at 20 years old (around 30 secs on the video, also assisted the other two goals that game)
The problem with him and indeed Fefatzidis is that Greeks hate them. I mean actually hate them. Since they first came on the scene - they were described as 'arrogant' and not appreciative. Fetfatzidis would score a winning a goal and the fans would say he should have passed instead.. :crazy2: When Fetfazidis scored the winning goal in a Greece qualifier, all Santos could comment was 'he still has much learn to be effective..'
Ninis would score the winning goal and the fans would say he was lazy besides the winning goal. It is unprecedented. I would say around 70% of Greeks dislike them both. No Olympiakos fan probably besides myself would want Ninis, even the PAO fans have been attacking him since he re-signed and he is yet to play a game! They have been bitching about saying he will have a short leash - the moment he lazy - goodbye. This goal he scored this week in the cup was his first game for PAO since he left all those years ago and the headlines were, 'good goal, but he did nothing second half..' :2funny:
I find neither Fetfatzidis, Ninis or Gianniotas lazy. In fact I find them hyperactive and all 3 incredible talents who can dribble past defenders easily and score amazing goals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg3ieogjnds
Vitó Pereira arrived in Greece and Paok lost 3-0
the Pimp's effect :metal:
PAOK are a very shitty team, like H stated in the other thread, PAOK like Guimarães, started the league with a hard on full on piss, but now they have been to the toilet they are losing 4-2 to Xanthi, 0-3 to Asteras etc...
Yes, it was exactly that goal against Roma that I had seen on the Champions League, thrashed the Romans pretty good! O0
What I get from your post Faliro, correct me if I am wrong, is that Greek people don't like... flamboyant players? Or at least, flamboyant Greek players?
While reading your post, I was reminded of what people kept said about out player Gaitán, that he could solve a tough game in a few minutes, but could spend the next three games sleeping or acting "lazy". Now he's one of key pieces in the squad (captain yesterday) and generally regarded as probably the best midfielder playing in Portugal.
I think it's part of the genius players or on the very least the technically gifted players. They can wrap up the game in a few minutes and appear disinterested on the rest of it, but only aliens like Messi or Ronaldo can consecutevely solve games with their skill, one after another.
Citação de: H em 11 de Janeiro de 2015, 15:01
Yes, it was exactly that goal against Roma that I had seen on the Champions League, thrashed the Romans pretty good! O0
What I get from your post Faliro, correct me if I am wrong, is that Greek people don't like... flamboyant players? Or at least, flamboyant Greek players?
While reading your post, I was reminded of what people kept said about out player Gaitán, that he could solve a tough game in a few minutes, but could spend the next three games sleeping or acting "lazy". Now he's one of key pieces in the squad (captain yesterday) and generally regarded as probably the best midfielder playing in Portugal.
I think it's part of the genius players or on the very least the technically gifted players. They can wrap up the game in a few minutes and appear disinterested on the rest of it, but only aliens like Messi or Ronaldo can consecutevely solve games with their skill, one after another.
Superb post. As for first part:
Greek people don't like... flamboyant players? Or at least, flamboyant Greek players?I am afraid that is case. Greeks are a lot more comfortable celebrating their defenders than attacking players. The appalling treatment Vassileos Tsiartas received - for me the most talented player to ever emerge from Greece, is testament to that. Even weirder, Kyriakos Papadopoulos - a super player - the further up the pitch he plays in Germany, the more Greeks question his ability, even though he is a born DM and has huge ability with both feet and scores often. Greeks seem to think talented attacking players belong exclusively to South American and Spain and that Greeks should not attempt to encroach onto their territory. Greeks are slightly softer in their criticism to Greek power strikers - Mitroglou, Xaristeas, Alexandris etc. Another thing that irritates many Greeks about Gianniotas, Ninis, Fetfatzidis is their height, around 5'5. :crazy2: You often hear in Greece, 'these players are not strong enough, they need to go to the gym...' :crazy2:
As for the 'lazy' label. I am begining to think that perhaps, the more sensitive fans apply that label to players they don't think are strong enough or determined enough. Greece does produce lazy players, Samaras is the definition of a lazy player. However, Ninis and Fetfatzidis run like mad. The lazy label appears to be from very sensitive fans who perhaps do not understand the game to well. For example, if the game is 0-0 and Ninis has close to 100% pass completion and a few tackles and then scores the winning goal, he is man of the match for me. However, many Greeks including Greek journalists, will give the game to someone like Maniatis. I was always fascinated how each goal Fetfatzidis in particular scored was seen by many as 'arrogance.' :crazy2: Rather than the wining the goal. When Fetfazidis would assist the winning goal, he was usually not mentioned at all.
This nasty habit will probably not change for many years. What was funny is that when Tsiartas went to Sevilla, many AEK fans said he should be grateful he is being given the option to go to Spain?? :2funny:
Ninis, Gianniotas and Fetfa all make chances during a game. As you said, they are not 10% near the level of someone like Messi, but they will usually create something easy to score with for themselves or someone else.
So to sum out the latest news.
3000 AEK fans protested the mayor of Nea Filadelfea for blocking their stadium.
Also one AEK fan begun a hunger strike.
Many AEK fans believe Syriza was bribed by Olympiacos to block their stadium.. :crazy2:
Niki Volou demoted from the Super League due to debts.
OFI fined 6 points for not paying a serb player his salary from 2010. Also 15 players left OFI the last few days due to not being paid.. that includes almost the whole first team including the captain Makris. They have drafted in youth players to fill the ranks and now have a squad of 17 players - almost all youth players.
Jeez man, football in Greece looks like a giant clusterfuck! Makes football on slavic countries look organised and clean!
Your friend Fetfatzidis scored 2 golas last weekend Faliro.
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Sissies?! Explain >:(
Citação de: Festivus em 21 de Janeiro de 2015, 04:37
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Sissies?! Explain >:(
I think many Greek Australians started that when they saw CR7 cry at Euro 2004...
The retards above us on that map is spot on however. :confused:
Citação de: H em 20 de Janeiro de 2015, 23:05
Jeez man, football in Greece looks like a giant clusterfuck! Makes football on slavic countries look organised and clean!
Compared to Greece they are! :2funny:
Clusterfuck for me is the word that has always summed on Greece perfectly - especially the way many Greek players herd together in pointless groups on the pitch when we play important games..
Citação de: Covenant em 21 de Janeiro de 2015, 01:49
Your friend Fetfatzidis scored 2 golas last weekend Faliro.
Yip. His first start since his hernia operation, so his first start since last summer!!!
And he was playing as a centre forward!
I still maintain, he is one of the most naturally gifted players in Europe. Took his goals well. Would love to see him at a club that can actually pass the ball. Genoa can barely string two passes together... painful to watch. Benfica would adore this player. Makes chances non-stop, breezes past players... a real talent.
Goals 2.11 and 3.30:
http://matchvideo.net/video/genoa-3-3-sassuolo-seriea-19/
Faliro, can you elucidate on the Bulgaria "retardness"? Is it because of their betrayal on the Second Balkan War? If so, that label is totally deserved.
Citação de: H em 21 de Janeiro de 2015, 23:48
Faliro, can you elucidate on the Bulgaria "retardness"? Is it because of their betrayal on the Second Balkan War? If so, that label is totally deserved.
Well there was very blood because of that war, right up until the 90s believe it or not, when we became friends again. The retard label probably has more to do with how poorly educated they were under their communist system and it is noticeable when you meet them. As I say on here a lot, I find Greeks quite stupid at times, but these guys in Bulgaria and especially ''''Macedonia'''' - FYROM are especially demented. You can feel that they were eating turnips and grass for the last 50 years when you meet them - the scars of communism have not healed as well as they did on Russians and Serbs.
Rest in Peace Demis Roussos.
:disgust:
Yea, he was quite popular... the Greek walrus of love...
(http://www.vangelismovements.com/UniversumFrontB.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Janeiro de 2015, 14:39
Yea, he was quite popular... the Greek walrus of love...
(http://www.vangelismovements.com/UniversumFrontB.jpg)
The most famous greek singer ever!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3vCB3YBMUo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXfPO-thpZo
Citação de: Manel dos Anzois em 26 de Janeiro de 2015, 18:54
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Janeiro de 2015, 14:39
Yea, he was quite popular... the Greek walrus of love...
(http://www.vangelismovements.com/UniversumFrontB.jpg)
The most famous greek singer ever!
Perhaps but I think Nana Mouskouri has sold many more records.
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Janeiro de 2015, 20:09
Citação de: Manel dos Anzois em 26 de Janeiro de 2015, 18:54
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Janeiro de 2015, 14:39
Yea, he was quite popular... the Greek walrus of love...
(http://www.vangelismovements.com/UniversumFrontB.jpg)
The most famous greek singer ever!
Perhaps but I think Nana Mouskouri has sold many more records.
I believe she sold about 300 million records (!) and he sold more than 60 million. Amazing numbers, by the way.
I absolutely love her voice.
O0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42lg0kkCU74
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbq1zIQ0IPU
Citação de: pcssousa em 26 de Janeiro de 2015, 23:20
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Janeiro de 2015, 20:09
Citação de: Manel dos Anzois em 26 de Janeiro de 2015, 18:54
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Janeiro de 2015, 14:39
Yea, he was quite popular... the Greek walrus of love...
(http://www.vangelismovements.com/UniversumFrontB.jpg)
The most famous greek singer ever!
Perhaps but I think Nana Mouskouri has sold many more records.
I believe she sold about 300 million records (!) and he sold more than 60 million. Amazing numbers, by the way.
I absolutely love her voice.
I don´t have the idea that Nana Mouskouri sold so many records. Respect!
Nana Mouskouri sang in many different languages and had a very very wide audience.
Something about Demis was special I think.. honestly I knew almost 0 about him until yesterday.. I think my mother liked him... :2funny:
I also remember years ago some Greek telling me when I asked about him.. ''Of course he is still alive.... he is fat and sleeps with many women by his pool..''
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Janeiro de 2015, 00:53
Nana Mouskouri sang in many different languages and had a very very wide audience.
Something about Demis was special I think.. honestly I knew almost 0 about him until yesterday.. I think my mother liked him... :2funny:
I also remember years ago some Greek telling me when I asked about him.. ''Of course he is still alive.... he is fat and sleeps with many women by his pool..''
I don´t know your age, but as you know for sure, Demis gratest hits were on 70´s and 80´s years of XX century.
http://expresso.sapo.pt/a-grecia-vai-levantar-se-e-dizer-a-europa-nao-somos-vossos-escravos=f907817
Vassilis Vassilikos: "Greece will stand up and tell Europe: We're not your slaves!"
You often get that look in Greece... You want a coffee at a bar, you call the waiter, he looks like he doesn't want to be there.... You order your coffee.. nothing comes...
You ask again... and you get the 'I am not your slave' speech...
Should be the motto of Greece..
Tsipras is a lifelong PAO supporter btw.. Lets see if that religion is more powerful than his Trotsky one....concerning their stadium...
PAOK announced on Tuesday its agreement with Portuguese international defender Ricardo Costa.
Typical PAOK tansfer.. will be 34 in a few months...
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Janeiro de 2015, 23:30
PAOK announced on Tuesday its agreement with Portuguese international defender Ricardo Costa.
Typical PAOK tansfer.. will be 34 in a few months...
Good signing
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 27 de Janeiro de 2015, 23:38
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Janeiro de 2015, 23:30
PAOK announced on Tuesday its agreement with Portuguese international defender Ricardo Costa.
Typical PAOK tansfer.. will be 34 in a few months...
Good signing
Wasn't he rumored to join Sporting?
Citação de: Festivus em 28 de Janeiro de 2015, 06:42
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 27 de Janeiro de 2015, 23:38
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Janeiro de 2015, 23:30
PAOK announced on Tuesday its agreement with Portuguese international defender Ricardo Costa.
Typical PAOK tansfer.. will be 34 in a few months...
Good signing
Wasn't he rumored to join Sporting?
Both sporting and porto.
Citação de: pcssousa em 28 de Janeiro de 2015, 09:33
Citação de: Festivus em 28 de Janeiro de 2015, 06:42
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 27 de Janeiro de 2015, 23:38
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Janeiro de 2015, 23:30
PAOK announced on Tuesday its agreement with Portuguese international defender Ricardo Costa.
Typical PAOK tansfer.. will be 34 in a few months...
Good signing
Wasn't he rumored to join Sporting?
Booth sporting and porto.
Would be funny to see Porto sinking money on a defender on the twilight of his career. As for Sporting... he'd probably be better than most of their defenders.
Apparently PAOK kept negotiations secret so as not to alert Olympiakos.
Olympiakos have set up a deadline for the Neto transfer.
ricardo costa is a proof that you don't need to be a great footballer to have sucess in football. You really only need a great agent.
He's an average central defender and he made a very good career. he will be a good reinf to PAOK even so!
ATHENS, Jan 29 (Reuters) - Crisis club OFI Crete have been banned from playing in the Greek Super League until they are able to clear mounting debts with their staff.
The league said on Thursday that OFI would not fulfil their fixtures until outstanding wages are paid to Spanish midfielders Jorge Lopez and Jordi Lopez Pelpeto who are owed "large sums of money"
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-2931393/OFI-Crete-banned-league-mounting-debts.html#ixzz3QE7ceie5
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So that is Niki Volou and OFI gone from the Super Liga...
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PAO just got knocked out the cup by Xanthi who were a far better side!
0-1 just now and 1-2 on Aggregate.
Looks like their crappy coach will be leaving after this..
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/article_full_610x343/public/article/2015-01/medez_kokkini.jpg?itok=0Q7_YNlR)
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:2funny: :2funny:
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Ricardo Costa training today:
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Andre Simoes signed by AEK.
A little underrated here 'cause moreirense is a small team
AEK are already planing for next season.
This team usually has exceptional scouts.
PAOK 1
Panaitolikos 2
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Mavrias back to PAO on loan from Sunderland
Highly rubbish player. So therefore respected by those who are offended by the natural talent of Fetfatzidis, Ninis, Gianniotas etc
EPO has a new president. He was the only one standing for president..so won the ''election'' :crazy2:
He ticks all the boxes for a EPO President:
1. Naturally stupid
2. Proud (despite having nothing to be proud of) and arrogant.
3. No achievements except not getting caught for corruption... luckily..
4. Looks like a fucking zombie
(http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/NationalAssociation/02/20/49/91/2204991_w2.jpg)
His first big idea?
To reduce the number of teams in the Greek super league from 18 to below 14.. :crazy2:
Why is that a bad idea?
Citação de: PsychoFan em 02 de Fevereiro de 2015, 21:33
Why is that a bad idea?
Bellow 14 seems exaggerated, imo. 16 would be just fine, like it used to be in Tugão.
Tugão should be 12 teams imo. And if in Tugão is like this, in Gregão (eheh) even more I think, but Faliro knows better the level of the league.. we'll see what he says.
But in Tugão is obvious, bellow Maritimo, it's all shit. With 12 teams the league would be more competitive.
Well, the Greek league can produce many shocks (due to very good team construction on limited budgets) and if the refereeing was better, PAOK and PAO would lose even more than they do today.
Seems next year the Greek league will be reduced to 16 teams and then if this new zombie gets his way.. 14 teams or less!
Personally I prefer 18 teams because it means more games for fans and myself (!!), more fan interaction and interest from around Greece, more preparation for the CL and Europa league quals in the summer (Greek teams are usually knocked out in summer quals because the league has not started yet and everyone is still on holiday..) and more opportunity for younger players.
Below 14 teams is simply not enough games imo for a team to find consistency in Europe, the league and the cup (Greece only has one cup unlike Portugal and the Premiership). Sure, there is more money for fewer teams.. but my team doesn't need the extra 2 million it will gain from removing 4 teams from the league. Also more money will be lost because there will be fewer games therefore less tickets sold.
"Below 14 teams is simply not enough games imo for a team to find consistency in Europe."
How's that? It would be the same. The difference is that the league would finish earlier. Or u could make play-offs, what would prolong the league more.
About the more games. Games against shitty teams? I prefer not.
But that is the point. Greece's shitty teams can and do beat beat PAO, AEK and PAOK - so why reduce the league? PAO and PAOK fear playing these smaller teams and rightly so.
Also, the Greek League usually begins after most the European Leagues have started - giving the non Greek teams an advantage in the CL and Europa quals and the Greek league usually ends before the others finish... simply less football.
I prefer more games, more money, more spectacle and the teams to play as many games as they can. More intrigue, more injuries, more youth players getting a chance...If there are poor teams in Greece that everyone beats 6-0 then fine... we have too many, but that is not the case.. Even the smallest Greek team can beat PAO or PAOK at home.
Finally remember, Greece only has one Cup.. meaning Greece would have even less games..
Below 14 teams is around 22 league games a season.. plus or minus a few cup games... that is nothing.... Greeks love it when their village.. Kalloni for example, beat PAOK and PAO in the same season which happened this year...why should that romance be removed?
There is very little difference in budget of 70% of the teams in the league. So most teams are hard to beat.
Football is a religion... people should have the chance to pray to it every week.. not just twice a month...
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Fevereiro de 2015, 00:38
But that is the point. Greece's shitty teams can and do beat beat PAO, AEK and PAOK - so why reduce the league? PAO and PAOK fear playing these smaller teams and rightly so.
Also, the Greek League usually begins after most the European Leagues have started - giving the non Greek teams an advantage in the CL and Europa quals and the Greek league usually ends before the others finish... simply less football.
I prefer more games, more money, more spectacle and the teams to play as many games as they can. More intrigue, more injuries, more youth players getting a chance...If there are poor teams in Greece that everyone beats 6-0 then fine... we have too many, but that is not the case.. Even the smallest Greek team can beat PAO or PAOK at home.
Finally remember, Greece only has one Cup.. meaning Greece would have even less games..
Below 14 teams is around 22 league games a season.. plus or minus a few cup games... that is nothing.... Greeks love it when their village.. Kalloni for example, beat PAOK and PAO in the same season whuch happened this year...why should that romance be removed?
Football is a religion... people should have the chance to pray to it every week.. not just twice a month...
I see.. then in Gregão it wouldn't work.
Problem is, most Greeks believe there are too many teams.. They hate teams like Kalloni and Ergotelis.
Whenever PAOK or PAO lose to them, their fans always say the same: ''these small teams are embarrassing - they should not even be allowed to be in the league.. there are too many teams..''
But if they are embarrassing, why are they beating PAOK and PAO? Too many foreigners? Cheating?
This Zombie will reduce the league... but personally I would keep the league at 18. However, teams that cannot afford to stay in the league should be barred from entering the league.
What is frustrating is that so many important teams, or teams with good stadia are outside the top league due to poor management.
AEK
Apollon Smyrnis
Iraklis
Aris
Larissa
Kavala..
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Fevereiro de 2015, 00:47
But if they are embarrassing, why are they beating PAOK and PAO? Too many foreigners? Cheating?
Probably because they use the "bus tactic", as we call it in Portugal? ;D
Could be, but also many of these small teams buy better players.
For example - PAOK don't have a striker as good as...
Moreno of Panaitolikos (on loan from Braga)
PAO don't have a midfielder as good as ....
Fernando Godoy of Panaitolikos or Inglesias of Asteras...
The list goes on... The reason Kalloni beat PAOK and PAO - easily.. is that they bought better players - cheaper...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalloni_F.C.#Players
Also PAO and PAOK have terrible coaches... the smaller teams tend to get better coaches...
PAO and PAOK think that by buying shit players, hiring shit coaches - they should be able to win the league... when they can't even beat village teams..
But... If the other teams have better players how they finish in second, third...?
Most seasons PAOK and PAO don't finish second or third, but many they do..Sometimes they need the play off to help them, PAO missed out on those in 2012-13 by coming 6th!
Usually they do well because if you watch a game at Toubaspor or Leoforos (PAO) - the fans scream at the referee for every single imagined foul, throw in, tackle, corner, goal kick - everything. I say scream... I mean yell, throw objects and sound like there is about to a major riot. Look how Xanthi were treated for beating PAO in Leoforo last week...
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Most refs give in early and start giving every decision to the home team..PAOK, AEK and PAO..
They win so many games like this... so many.. Many of their more honest fans state after games.. 'few.. we were lucky...' translated: 'the other team was better but the ref helped us..' However they don't dwell on it, obviously they have pride... Refs get beaten up after games... we lost weeks of football due to a ref being beaten with iron bars a few months ago..apparently he was beaten on the orders of Melissandis according to Marinakis.
However When PAOK, PAO, AEK play away.... their fans are outnumbered. :police:
The ref is free to make discions without his car being set on fire after the game or a fan coming on the pitch to punch him. This is where the smaller teams teach PAOK, PAO, AEK that they know nothing about football...
Ya ya yada yada
So..back to Elladastan....
Remember OFI? Lost 15 players last month for not paying their wages? -10 points in the league last month for not paying 3 previous players? Banned from the super league last month for non payment of debts? They argued and argued and were allowed to play their game against PAOK today in Crete.
Their team today?
Manolis Bolakis - 20 years old..
Manolis Fazos - 19 years old..
Charalambos Damianakis - 19 years old..
current score:
OFI 2
PAOK 1
Live stream good quality:
http://www.rojadirecta.me/goto/micast.tv/gen5.php?ch=live5
I've watched a bit of Asteras vs Platanias and the weekend highlights on BTV. (Olympiacos is up next.)
God, this league is exactly like ours but with slightly worse football.
Boring as fuck, very poor pitches, empty stands and terrible ref decisions in every match.
Citação de: Lycaon em 04 de Fevereiro de 2015, 17:16
I've watched a bit of Asteras vs Platanias and the weekend highlights on BTV. (Olympiacos is up next.)
God, this league is exactly like ours but with slightly worse football.
Boring as fuck, very poor pitches, empty stands and terrible ref decisions in every match.
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Exactly!!!!!!!
You should have watched OFI vs PAOK though. Super game and great atmosphere/stadium. Always try and watch a game with PAOK, PAO, OSFP, AEK, Aris etc There is usually violence, drama and attacking football.
Asteras.... Platanias//// Kalloni.... empty... villages...
BTW:
OFI 3
PAOK 1
Huge humiliation for PAOK.
I'll watch a bit of Oly now.
Is it any kind of holiday in Greece today to have matches this early? Or is it the unemployment? :P
The calender is a bit fucked up because a ref got beaten with a steal bar, a fan of a third division club was murdered in a stadium in Crete and there was a general election. The result was over 1 month of football lost and now they are trying to make up for it.
BTW this weekend is PAOK vs Olympiakos. That is a game I recommend for entertainment.. :knuppel2: Don't know if Benfica TV will carry it..?
PAOK coach resigned! Now we have to see if the PAOK owner accepts it.
BTW OFI only had 14 players left on its roster for the game! All the others left the club last month.
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Fevereiro de 2015, 17:47
The calender is a bit fucked up because a ref got beaten with a steal bar, a fan of a third division club was murdered in a stadium in Crete and there was a general election. The result was over 1 month of football lost and now they are trying to make up for it.
BTW this weekend is PAOK vs Olympiakos. That is a game I recommend for entertainment.. :knuppel2: Don't know if Benfica TV will carry it..?
Weekends are tough. BTV is carrying all the games they can today because there's nothing else. On weekends there's Benfica sports (basketball, futsal, handball, volley, hockey) and Premier League games and the Greek League rarely gets coverage because we only have two channels.
Sa Pinto resigned and he is no longer coach of Atromitos.
He was under pressure the last few months. Again, like with Michel, this seems an overreaction. He was not doing badly and doesn't exactly have great players to work with like Panaitolikos and Asteras have.
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Atromitos/paraiththhke-o-sa-pinto.3288081.html
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And... The coach of PAOK will probably stay as the owner Savvidis seems to have refused his resignation!
The fans really dislike this Russian/Greek owner now.. A supporter group called BELLOS from Neopoli stated publicly they have returned their tickets for the Olympiakos game this weekend. They will also not go to another game in the championship!
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/article_full_610x343/public/article/2015-02/1149561.jpg?itok=2ReGgL8g)
Pelkas on fire in Tugão. He has talent. Sporting his following him very close.
Citação de: HJDK em 07 de Fevereiro de 2015, 10:53
Pelkas on fire in Tugão. He has talent. Sporting his following him very close.
PAOK will probably sell without a problem.
Setúbal can buy him for 350k, but knowing that they could make almost a million. Recently he gave an interview(ABola, I think) and said that in Greece he would have 0 minutes. I found it funny because you say that all the time.
100% correct. In Greece he would get a handful of cup games. His place in PAOK would be taken by a 35 year old Greek who last scored when Demis Roussos was still in the charts.
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Fevereiro de 2015, 03:04
100% correct. In Greece he would get a handful of cup games. His place in PAOK would be taken by a 35 year old Greek who last scored when Demis Roussos was still in the charts.
:rir:
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Fevereiro de 2015, 03:04
100% correct. In Greece he would get a handful of cup games. His place in PAOK would be taken by a 35 year old Greek who last scored when Demis Roussos was still in the charts.
They have a good triker from the academy and he doesn't play, in this winter transfer window they payed Ricardo Costa 800k/year.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 08 de Fevereiro de 2015, 15:49
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Fevereiro de 2015, 03:04
100% correct. In Greece he would get a handful of cup games. His place in PAOK would be taken by a 35 year old Greek who last scored when Demis Roussos was still in the charts.
They have a good triker from the academy and he doesn't play, in this winter transfer window they payed Ricardo Costa 800k/year.
Efthimis Koulouris?
yep
Yip another wasted talent. Agreed. Just like Vergos at Olympiakos - scored, looked dangerous whenever he played... and so put back in the fridge. :estrelas:
7 minutes till kick off!
Miguel Vitor and Costa the two CBs for PAOK.
Live stream:
http://www.bet365.com/extra/extra.aspx?contentpath=livestreaming,streaming
Fantastic atmosphere :bow2:
Wow, how shit is Affelay?
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Fevereiro de 2015, 19:10
Wow, how shit is Affelay?
In fairness,it´s been a poor game by both teams. Olympiakos have 2 very good full backs and Santana looks like a good signing. Regarding Paok,only Noboa and the right back look decent. Salpingidis still plays? ;D
Oly should be forcing for the 3 points here. Clearly a better team
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 08 de Fevereiro de 2015, 19:17
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Fevereiro de 2015, 19:10
Wow, how shit is Affelay?
In fairness,it´s been a poor game by both teams. Olympiakos have 2 very good full backs and Santana looks like a good signing. Regarding Paok,only Noboa and the right back look decent. Salpingidis still plays? ;D
Oly should be forcing for the 3 points here. Clearly a better team
Salpi still plays.. much to the disgust of most PAOKtzis :2funny:
I thought it was very poor game. I agree on our full backs, very competent.
I also noticed Santana this game. Looked very smooth on the ball.
I agree about PAOK.. everyone looks average.
I think Olympiakos approached the game all wrong. I would have put a 3 man midfield of Kasami, N'Dinga and the Milivojević . The top three would be Mitroglou, Dominguez and Dossevi.
I also think VP made a few mistakes with the subs. Kasami and Dominguez should have stayed on given their goal scoring records.. Jimny, Affelay, Fortounis were never going to change anything..
Affelay reminded me of this the whole game:
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljcep3g0wl1qhydpy.png)
Yeah, I don't like Affelay as well, he just looks clumsy, and his decision making is banal.
Kasami, didn't seem anything special tbh...
Kasami is not a DM or CM, he is really better just in front.
So Greece's new EPO zombie chief appointed a new manager finally.
Sergio Markarian. He is too old imo. To think Michel wanted the job and they ignored him.. :estrelas:
Sergio will take a broken team, with little chance of qualification...
Markarian... is he of Armenian ancestry?
He is... Some PAO fans remember years ago when he was playing Fener in Europe, he was emotionally charged about the game, due to the Armenian genocide etc...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10981209_10205794218002988_2785351274554898865_n.jpg?oh=edddf046d0df42f339d05c3ca62e8562&oe=555ACEDE&__gda__=1430996129_e50d5bff7296deb31ffd69554ac8bb0c)
Christine Lagarde hands out a Benfica's scarf to a thrilled Yanis Varoufakis.
Thus is Benfica: uniting Europe and the world.
Didn't even notice that it was shopped at first ;D
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Fevereiro de 2015, 12:23
So Greece's new EPO zombie chief appointed a new manager finally.
Sergio Markarian. He is too old imo. To think Michel wanted the job and they ignored him.. :estrelas:
Sergio will take a broken team, with little chance of qualification...
(http://i.imgur.com/S2STTQf.png?1)
OFI VS PAO
1pm GMT tomorrow
Recommended.
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Fevereiro de 2015, 21:53
OFI VS PAO
1pm GMT tomorrow
Recommended.
(http://i.imgur.com/NnoGhN1.gif)
I will watch it and I expect extreme fan support, goals and lots of
cacetada! :smokin:
:smokin: :smokin: :smokin:
Big big hate in this game and OFI must win.
OFI, debt ridden, -10 points, destroyed..lost players, managers, chairmen...all this season! Formerly a PAO colony team, now free and full of hate for PAO... beaten PAO already this season... Get ready!
(http://www.paokmania.gr/media/k2/items/cache/b0fb3dc0e60b37a6c5fe51519601467b_XL.jpg)
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OFI 2
PAO 3
What can I say? :smokin:
This was a good game, I knew it was not gonna disappoint, Faliro knows his Greek stuff!
(http://i.imgur.com/VhDw0.jpg)
Glad you liked it H.
Saw American Sniper today, great film.
At the end of the game the OFI fans started throwing bits of concrete at the PAO players and coach:
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3307223.ece/BINARY/original/1208720.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3307217.ece/BINARY/original/1208709.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3307223.ece/BINARY/original/1208720.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3307227.ece/BINARY/original/1208734.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BKFplGSCLk
Atromitos 4-0 Paok :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
PAOK is completely a disaster, one of the worst worldwide in terms of management.
Agree with you. And what is amazing is that most of Northern Greece supports them from birth. All they need is an owner with an IQ of over 100 and they are good to go. All they have had is idiots. I remember a guy who owned a radio station used to own them and stole millions like Big Mak did to AEK.
I watched the first half in bits and saw the red card, was totally deserved.
PAOK are a joke and so is their owner. Plus they have terrible players. If Pelkas was still there he would be in the reserves like Koulouris is.
Self sabotage.
Hélder Barbosa dá-se bem na Grécia: «O meu futuro passa pelo AEK»
Avançado internacional português decidiu jogar na segunda divisão da Grécia. «Foi uma boa decisão», que cada vez ganha mais sentido, como contou em entrevista ao «Maisfutebol»
Por Pedro Calhau hoje às 10:12
(http://www.maisfutebol.iol.pt/multimedia/oratvi/multimedia/imagem/id/54e3cd4c0cf2af26a22e73a1/600.jpg)
Hélder Barbosa dá-se bem na Grécia: «O meu futuro passa pelo AEK»
O país é a Grécia, a cidade é Atenas. O clube é o AEK, que disputa a segunda divisão do futebol helénico. A unir estes marcos está Hélder Barbosa, jogador internacional português que se revelou no FC Porto e se assumiu no Sp. Braga e que, desde o início da época, decidiu prosseguir a carreira nesta realidade.
Tratou-se, de facto, de uma decisão tomada, de uma decisão «boa» e que não só faz parte do presente como é, ao mesmo tempo, base para o futuro da carreira do avançado português de 27 anos.
É com simplicidade que Hélder Barbosa explica ao Maisfutebol este opção depois da passagem de uma época pela liga espanhola ao serviço do Almería. «Acabou por ser um projeto interessante, numa equipa conhecida na Grécia e também na Europa», afirma o extremo esquerdo contando que pesaram as «boas referências» dadas por outros jogadores portugueses.
«Não me cativou muito a ideia de jogar na segunda divisão, mas o projeto que me mostraram fez com que aceitasse», adverte a partir de Atenas, mas para dar mais força ao que ficou: «Foi uma boa decisão na minha carreira.»
Em 2013, o avolumar de dívidas do AEK levou os dirigentes do clube 11 vezes campeão da Grécia a uma decisão drástica: pela primeira vez, as camisolas amarelas e negras com uma águia bicéfala no emblema não iriam participar na primeira divisão do futebol grego. Em 2013-14, o AEK começou na terceira divisão grega – um escalão amador; com o objetivo de recuperar o estatuto de forma sustentada.
A subida à segunda divisão foi obtida de forma não só fácil, mas com a marca de 23 vitórias três empates e apenas uma derrota. Atual primeiro classificado do segundo escalão grego, defendendo a posição com nove pontos de vantagem, o AEK está em velocidade de cruzeiro para regressar ao primeiro escalão do futebol helénico.
E mantém os números excecionais. Aquela derrota na terceira divisão foi a última sofrida. O AEK não perde um jogo oficial desde fevereiro de 2014 – e neste ano já defrontou na Taça da Grécia três equipas da primeira liga estando a disputar os quartos de final com a quarta: o Olympiakos, em cuja casa empatou o jogo da primeira mão.
«Candidatos a vencer todos os jogos»
Quando no próximo dia 24 o AEK defrontar o Panachaiki para o campeonato da segunda divisão já terá passado mais de um ano civil... Hélder Barbosa só quer falar pela responsabilidade que tem em relação a esta época, mas também já vive com «a pressão dos adeptos e do que rodeia o clube». E vive bem: «Nós, os jogadores sabemos em que clube estamos.»
«Sabemos que somos candidatos a vencer todos os jogos», assume o nº7 do AEK frisando que «o melhor trunfo [da equipa] tem sido jogar como um bloco», «mesmo nos jogos com equipas da primeira divisão, como temos tido na Taça». Estar sempre a ganhar não causa assim tanta pressão em relação ao próximo encontro e «acaba por ser uma boa situação. «Também tive essa experiência de ganhar com o FC Porto», diz Hélder Barbosa que esse é tão só o objetivo: «Ser superior aos adversários» e «ganhar todos os jogos».
De cima do primeiro lugar do segundo escalão, Hélder Barbosa conta que «não passa pela cabeça de ninguém, nem no clube nem entre os adeptos» que o AEK não regresse à primeira liga. «Toda a gente convencida de que vamos subir e nós, os jogadores, temos dado tudo». O jogador português recorda que o clube «subiu com distinção a esta [segunda] divisão» e revela que o emblema da capital «tem-se preparado cada vez mais para a subida» ao primeiro escalão.
«Vamos preparando as bases para a primeira liga», refere o avançado garantindo que, «chegando à primeira divisão, o AEK não vai jogar para os lugares do meio da classificação, vai jogar para os primeiros lugares». Com 11 jogos no campeonato, Hélder Barbosa marcou três golos e fez quarto assistências – na Taça da Grécia fez sete partidas (com um golo e quatro assistências).
«Mais bem recebido do que estava à espera», o internacional português não tem desiludido e confirma que «as coisas correram bem desde o início» na equipa orientada por Traianos Dellas. «Sinto-me confiante. Sinto-me adaptado cá», confessa Hélder Barbosa com a vontade de fazer parte deste projeto. «Assinei três anos com o AEK, não era um contrato de um ano. Era com a intenção de me manter aqui», afirma o jogador reafirmando a convicção: «O meu futuro passa pelo AEK.»
Em Portugal, « estão na frente os dois do costume»
O futuro passa pelo AEK e pela Grécia, onde vive desde o verão passado com a mulher e o filho de dois anos e meio. É uma família portuguesa a viver num país que está na ordem do das reuniões políticas europeias. Hélder Barbosa constata tranquilidade a partir de Atenas: «Acabamos por não reparar muito, nem vejo as pessoas com a preocupação da crise. Pelo menos, no meio em que estou inserido...»
«A Grécia é um bom país para viver. Atenas é uma cidade ótima», assegura Hélder Barbosa destacando o «carinho» de que tem sido alvo, ao invés da conversa sobre a crise: «As pessoas falam, mas não se tem dado grande importância. Não é conversa do dia a dia; não em tão grande escala como se vê em Portugal.»
O acompanhamento de Portugal faz-se também pelo futebol considerando o avançado do AEK que, nesta época, houve «algumas equipas que acabaram por não ser tão fortes» e que «as duas costume estão na frente». «O Benfica está mais à frente», mas «o Porto ainda está a tempo», analisa Hélder Barbosa concretizando que o Sporting dispõe de «uma equipa super boa», mas que «tem vindo a tropeçar». «E agora é difícil», analisa o internacional português lembrando também o Sp. Braga com a realização de um «excelente campeonato».
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/article3313796.ece/BINARY/w620/pelkas_setubal_moreirense04012015.jpg)
Basically says Pelkas is not interested in returning to PAOK. Vitoria will most likely buy him for 350,000 and then sell his to sporting for 1 million.
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Paok/o-pelkas-protima-ekswteriko.3313795.html
Another victory for AEK today. They are well on their way back :metal:
Guaranteed they will be back Benfiquista. Will be amazed if they don't make it, and if they don't for some reason, their fans will burn down Athens.
So we can expect next season, more big games.. AEK vs PAOK, OSFP, PAO etc...
And more violence... So yea.. more entertainment...
Platellas is a player I think is quite good - he could probably do some good things in Europe. typical Gianniotas/Fetfatzidis type player again. Small but good skill and always goes for goal. Has scored many goals for AEK since they got him. Mantolas keeps scoring as usual.
(http://s1.aek365.com/uploads/articles/f84fdd4760030c7c3c9328e71340e5d2_82854.jpg)
I think they will give everything to win the Cup this year. The game against them in the OAKA has finally been announced and they have permission to open the second the tier, meaning they can probably fill over 55,000 if they want..
I will say once again, their owner 'Tiger' is easily the biggest mafioso in Greece. Billionaire and extremely extremely dangerous. Makes Marinakis look like this:
(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/16100000/Cute-Kitten-kittens-16122057-1280-800.jpg)
I'm rooting for them. Always liked them,maybe because their kit colours are the same of my town's club ;D
Will be great for the league to have another owner who is not just mafioso but also rich and willing to spend,since PAO and PAOK seem happy to have shit players.
And maybe with this clashes between Melissanidis and Marinakis,the later will get angry and start signing big name players like I used to see at Olympiakos
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 25 de Fevereiro de 2015, 00:40
I'm rooting for them. Always liked them,maybe because their kit colours are the same of my town's club ;D
Will be great for the league to have another owner who is not just mafioso but also rich and willing to spend,since PAO and PAOK seem happy to have shit players.
And maybe with this clashes between Melissanidis Marinakis,the later will get angry and start signing big name players like I used to see at Olympiakos
Exactly my hope Benfiquista - AEK are a bigger threat to Olympiacos than PAO and PAOK put together.. Considering the players we had at Olympiacos, this squad is a joke. I would even take Neri Castillo out of retirement and stick him in the 11 if I were in charge. He is miles better than Durmaz and Affelay and a big fan favorite.
AEK are already a Tiger club again. They have signed precontracts with some South Americans their scouts have already found. One of which I believe is Lucca..
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Lucca+Criciuma+v+Santos+7VbxoXTm2AGl.jpg)
They are only looking at transfers. Tiger is generous up until a point. He expects to win the cup this year and get into Europe next year....to pay for even more transfers. He is already building for this.. As you correctly said PAOK and PAO pay nothing for their players - hence why Asteras has a better team than them both.
Players like this :smitten:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxio7k_ja7I
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 25 de Fevereiro de 2015, 00:55
Players like this :smitten:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxio7k_ja7I
Ahh yes..... :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas:
And like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yajY9_pYvOU
and this... good music too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs8QoPEJXrY
To confirm (I just checked), if AEK win the cup, they in the Europa cup qualifiers... Probably Tiger is building the team for that also.
But is it possible for Olympiakos to sign those kind of players nowadays? With the economic crisis and all?
Easily.
Olympiacos is making millions. Has plenty of money to spend. The owner is always same. Win the league - all that matters. Will never spend more than he has to. The opposite, will work out the minimum to spend.. even selling players to make more money... Xolevas, Manolas, Weiss, Torosidis, Mitroglou, Mirallas etc etc..
If AEK come in with some good players - which they will, Olympiacos will return fire and sign some big players. Olympiacos has scouts all over South America on the payroll, however, they are not activated the last 2 years so much because most the interesting players start + €3 million....
Interesting. Always thought that the decrease in quality of players at Olympiakos, over the last 4 or 5 years, was due to the economic crisis in Grecce
With PAO yes. Since Pateras left PAO (he was the one who paid for Cisse and they won the league with him), they have been paying very small wages to mostly home grown players. Also PAO have a policy of never buying a player than played for Olympiacos or one of its friends... The crisis hit them. They were wise to return to Leoforo. Other teams also suffered.
Olympiacos would have experimented more with South Americans but the Brazilian players were hugely over priced the last few years - like everything in Brazil.
The crisis can't effect Olympiacos because we are a money spinner sadly... Hopefully that will change soon. This season has damaged the image of Marinakis hugely. The reason Olympiacos didn't buy but sold instead was because Marinakis didn't need to spend to win the league.. Sadly Olympiacos mirrors the quality of the league...
Leto have played in Olympiakos and in Pana was a idol, I believe.
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Fevereiro de 2015, 04:58
Leto have played in Olympiakos and in Pana was a idol, I believe.
Very true but Leto was never popular at Olympiacos and he was only brought over on a loan. After the loan he went back to Liverpool. PAO made an offer for him and he was sold to them for roughly 3 million. I believe the deal was partly to insult Olympiakos. Pateras - the millionaire major shareholder of PAO at the time who had also brought Cisse financed the deal. They won the league that year. Leto became a favorite at PAO and stated he never liked Olympiacos much and never felt a connection etc...
Major news.
OFI announces PAO have €3 million in unpaid taxes and no one seems to care.
Greek football shut down and suspended for 3rd time this season from today:
CitaçãoGreek football leagues indefinitely postponed Until measures are implemented
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Stavros Kontonis, Undersecretary of Sports decided the indefinite postponing of football championships. The Undersecretary announced measures to football bodies, officials and institutions, and clarified that the championships and leagues will begin when said measures are applied - all 18 clubs introducing smart-card ticketing and security camera systems at matches.
After meeting with Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras, where he received the latter's "green light" on moving forward, the undersecretary met with the competent bodies.
Mr. Kontonis also clarified that all matches of professional leagues will be indefinitely postponed until the measures are implemented to safeguard the league, players and people.
PAO will probably get -3 points for the riots/attack on Kasami/ attempted attack on Vitor etc.. general behaviour at the game. They may also get a few games to played behind closed doors.
Vazelos are already saying the suspension of the league is designed to help Olympiacos get some rest from their busy schedule.
When the PAO hooligans ran onto the pitch in an attempt to murder Vitor Pereira, the public announcer was saying over the stadium speakers.. "respect your team....we are better than them.'' ;D
Negative points for PAO?
The heroin dealer is working well...
I don't know what type of dealers you are used to, but in Greece they don't tend to be multi millionaire fat shipping magnates from a shipping dynasty.
Maybe you are trying to say, besides the millions he makes from Capital Maritime & Trading Corp, he likes to make around €200 a day standing on street corners in Omonia selling heroin to transvestites?
He is quite recognizable. I think we would have spotted him by now doing that if he was..
If you which to educate yourself on a club owner who actually has broken the law - multiple times and been caught, you need to research this billionaire gentleman a little - you know, the gentleman who owns the biggest betting company in Europe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitris_Melissanidis
Jesualdo Ferreira is not so lucky as Vitor Perreira. :bah2:
Why? Show images.
VP will get 3 points for free, Jesualdo didn't get it when some fans invaded the picth at Karaisakis, Cisse was about to be killed.
Someone grabbed Cisse there are images of it. However Kasami actually received burns yesterday that required treatment... he was therefore not able to play in the actual game. :huh:
It was a pitch invasion. Fereira was never in danger though, he was already out of sight, no one tried to kill him. Also that season Panathiankkos invaded the pitch also and were not punnished. If you want bitch about Oly, at least make sure you have the facts! O0 ;D ;D
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Fevereiro de 2015, 18:28
Someone grabbed Cisse there are images of it. However Kasami actually received burns yesterday that required treatment...
It was a pitch invasion. Fereira was never in danger though, he was already out of sight, no one tried to kill him. Also that season Panathiankkos invaded the pitch also and were not punnished. O0 ;D ;D
Against Olympiacos Volou, oh they were, yes they were.
Different again huh, no points deduction but same shit? You see how you are losing every attempt you make? This is what happens when you align yourself with losers. Have a nice read: ;D O0
Panathinaikos punished by greek football federation after supporters attacked own players against Olympiakos Volos 18.12.2010.
After final whistle in the match Panathinaikos - Olympiakos Volos 18.12.2010. Supporters of Panathinaikos invaded the pitch, chased their own players into the locker room and threw projectiles at them. They also attacked the VIP section. All this in anger after losing 1-0 against Volos.
Before the game Gate 13 showed a banner: "We are jobless and you wallow in luxury. Respect (the team symbols), patience is running thin."
Its not this single result it self that caused the anger. It was more like an outburst because of many things. Players acted like it was "fun time", team played like they were from second division and lack of patience.
Now the Greek football federation punished Panathinaikos. Two next matches, against Aris and Kavala will be played with empty stadium. They also received a fine on about 75 000 euro. Not long time ago they received a fine on about 100 000 euro for some other trouble.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faWOMp5pBq0#t=40
Ah ok, they lose the game, i though they had 3 points droped, any way, my point still stands, VP is lukier than Jesualdo Ferreira.
Your point doesn't stand, because you are desperate in your attacks on Olympiacos when PAO have done far more vicious riots than us.. even AEK have done worse. So therefore, talk about all the shit or none.... Otherwise it looks like you have a problem with Olympiakos and this thread becomes about that. Understand?
How did you feel when AEK fans rushed on the pitch at Kalithea and punched in the face their own legend coach Dusan Bajevic? Was he lucky?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBxOmUNVFgI#t=120
Super League to seek way out of impasse & Panathinaikos protests against points deduction
By George Georgakopoulos
The Super League governing board is convening again on Monday in a bid to overcome the tensions that keeps building up in Greek soccer despite the suspension of action on the field over the weekend; there was plenty of action off it anyway, with Panathinaikos warning on Saturday there are thoughts by certain clubs about a breakaway league.
"Panathinaikos is not seceding from the Super League, it cannot do so," said president Yiannis Alafouzos in the aftermath of what he called "extremely harsh" penalty of a three-point deduction for the riots in the derby with Olympiakos on February 22.
"We are not leaving the league because we would then leave it to the mafia," said Alafouzos. However when asked whether there is an understanding with other major clubs regarding the problems within the league he admitted there have been discussions about a breakaway league.
"With PAOK and AEK we have discussed some things. They are our rivals and we cannot forge a common front in everything, but we see eye to eye in some things. There are discussions, and not decisions, about breaking away from the Super League and the UEFA competitions – after all the league is always won by Olympiakos and the Champions League spot belongs to it. We and six or seven other clubs could create another league and play a more interesting championship, and leave Olympiakos just play with Platanias and Ergotelis," Alafouzos told a press conference at the Panathinaikos ground.
Olympiakos responded through sources on Saturday referring to "that paranoid little man" and promised to sue Alafouzos for allegedly orchestrating the riots at the derby. Asteras Tripolis owner Yiannis Kaymenakis issued a strong-worded statement asking the Panathinaikos president not to worry about his club.
Reports are converging to the preference of the majority of the clubs to return to action next weekend so they are likely to commit themselves to reforms that will increase fan safety and contain violence, as Deputy Minister Stavros Kontonis has requested ahead of a Wednesday decision over an extension to the suspension for another week.
Sources from the ministry say that the government will not back down and will be happy to extend the suspension unless it gets some concrete pledges from the Super League clubs.
fuck vp
LOL at VP.
"I'm a man, that's the reason i'm not afraid" :rir:
Super League clubs promise to combat violence, again
By George Georgakopoulos
The Super League clubs agreed on Monday to a blueprint of proposals for combatting violence in soccer grounds and will present it to Deputy Minister Stavros Kontonis to ask for the top flight to return to action this weekend after a one-week suspension.
Measures proposed will include a total ban on away fans, stricter penalties for riots, greater authority to referees and stewards, and improved policing of fans outside and inside the stadiums, according to statements by Super League president Giorgos Borovilos.
He added that the application of advanced technology such as the electronic tickets will be necessary for all clubs from next season, as the government has demanded.
Monday's meeting was particularly peaceful, a far cry from the violent scenes described after last week Super League board meeting that ended up in punches and water glasses thrown.
Both Olympiakos president Vangelis Marinakis and his Panathinaikos opposite number Yiannis Alafouzos said that the country's two main clubs will sort out their differences in court, not within the Super League.
Kontonis is set to give his verdict on Wednesday over whether the Super League resumes on Saturday.
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Fevereiro de 2015, 19:23
Your point doesn't stand, because you are desperate in your attacks on Olympiacos when PAO have done far more vicious riots than us.. even AEK have done worse. So therefore, talk about all the shit or none.... Otherwise it looks like you have a problem with Olympiakos and this thread becomes about that. Understand?
How did you feel when AEK fans rushed on the pitch at Kalithea and punched in the face their own legend coach Dusan Bajevic? Was he lucky?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBxOmUNVFgI#t=120
No he was not lucky, he didn't receive any point for free after provoking rival fans.
It stands because all the shit that has happened and you hadn't any point droped, don't try to come here and fool us like everything is ok.
What are you talking about? VP did not provoke any fans, what he did was what he does before every game. The pitch invasion with chains and weapons was not the first for PAO and was premeditated.
Also why are you saying Dusan Beyevic provoked anyone? He was simply the manager of AEK, they were losing and AEK fans came on the pitch and beat him up. It was one of the most shameful episodes in Greek football. Dusan is a pensioner who did not deserve that.
No one is being fooled here except you fooling yourself.
Where did i say Beyevic provoked anyone? Can't you read?
VP was told to not do that but yet he went there with his big(small in fact) balls trying to pose as a big man.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 03 de Março de 2015, 12:50
Where did i say Beyevic provoked anyone? Can't you read?
I can read. However it makes sense you can't remember what you wrote a post before. Clearly English is not your first language and you have confused yourself again, use Portuguese and I will use google translate. Fortunately we can quote here so you can learn...
I stated:
How did you feel when AEK fans rushed on the pitch at Kalithea and punched in the face their own legend coach Dusan Bajevic? Was he lucky?
You then stated:
No he was not lucky, he didn't receive any point for free
after provoking rival fans.
So to correct you, Bejevic did not provoke any fans when he was punched by his own AEK fans.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 03 de Março de 2015, 03:58
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Fevereiro de 2015, 19:23
How did you feel when AEK fans rushed on the pitch at Kalithea and punched in the face their own legend coach Dusan Bajevic? Was he lucky?
No he was not lucky, he didn't receive any point for free after provoking rival fans.
CitaçãoNo he was not lucky, he didn't receive any point for free after provoking rival fans
Can't you see i was refering to VP? :2funny:
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Março de 2015, 13:17
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 03 de Março de 2015, 12:50
VP was told to not do that but yet he went there with his big(small in fact) balls trying to pose as a big man.
Your Vazelos friend who is feeding you his excriment is lying to you. That is why you keep getting everything wrong. Do you want me to start quoting where you have got things wrong again so that you lower your tone a bit?
Tell me what punishment AEK got for beating up their own coach. O0
Well I mean ask you PAO friend or tell him to join the forum and tell me. Don't be his messenger bitch, because then your balls are smaller than VP's!
Since you keep asking me this question, can you tell me please what punishment Oly got when g7 tried to kill Jesualdo Ferreia and Cisse?
Oh yes, what VP did is super normal in greece derbies, it happens in every game, and its super normal for a president/owner sitting on the bench.
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Março de 2015, 13:26
We already showed that you lied about JF. Remember when I asked you where the evidence was his was assaulted and your Vazelos friend could not help you. It was because his balls were dry after feeding you his last package.
Rememeber how I asked you what punishment AEK had for actually beating Dusan?
Vazelos balls still empty on that one too..!
There were many others. I will continue to show you until your Vazelos friend stops cumming on your face and posts here himself. I find it disgusting that a Vazelos is using a portuguese citizen to empty his balls on. Tell your Vazelos friend to post here himself. I will not talk to his cum receptacle.
You keep bringing excuses and talking about things no one did.
And stop this Vazelos friend( dont't really know from where you came with this since i told you i'm more about PAOK) bs, i whatch your league, maybe more than you, i don't need any one to tell me what to tell here or anywhere.
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Março de 2015, 13:30
You talking Vazelos cum again... :smokin: Dusan did swear at the fans that were running onto the pitch, so they beat him up. VP didn't swear at anyone. He just did what he does every game.
Now wipe your mouth and bring the Vazelos into the forum. I refuse to talk with his Portuguese receptacle. Tell him to bring evidence of JF getting beat up too.. :smitten: Would love to see it.
Where did i tell that your fans beated JF? All i said is they tried to kill( exagerated of course) him.
What punishment you got for this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Xz1cI1hiw
The same punishment PAO got for ACTUALLY beating up their own players. Actually beating them up! A fine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faWOMp5pBq0&t=40
PS where was the punishment for AEK beating their own coach? Hint, not in the Vazelos cum you are being fed. Please don;t say you are PAOK, no PAOK fan sucks vazelos pinto. None. No PAOK fan has ever defended PAO like you lied/tried to...
PS where is JF in the video running for his life? I can't see him, another lie? I think so!!
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And suddenly VP get 3 points for free when he couldn't get them on the pich after provoking everything.
Lucky guy.
And you keep bring excuses and things no one mentioned.
I'm not defending enyone, all i said was, VP is luckier than JF, that's all.
Haven't you seen the video?
I've told you, bringing things no one mentionet and all this unecessary bs wont make your points any clear.
Fact remains, VP is luckier than JF, got 3 points for free.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 03 de Março de 2015, 14:16
Haven't you seen the video?
Write in Portuguese, you clearly can't read English.
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Março de 2015, 14:05
Where is JF being threatened with death like VP was? I watched your video,
Anyways, problem solved, just discovered the block function. O0
You keep showing your class over here.
The mayor of Salonika quipped they should turn the Xarilou into a supermarket.. :cry2:
Poor Aris... come back to the Super League... you have some of the best fans in the world..
Super super video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iqXaVfX7o8
Tickets went on sale for the AEK Olympiacos Cup second leg.
I think they sold around 35,000 today and it will most likely be a sell out. 46,000 + 12,000 season tickets.
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AEK have sold out the OAKA for the cup game against OSFP this week. Should be about 65,000 fans depending on what parts of the stadium are closed for security. They are erecting giant nets and making a huge security operation. However, if AEK fans bring flare guns, it will make little difference.
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In other news, PAO have managed to get a court ruling saying that tax payers money should go towards enlarging their stadium.. :huh: €7 million! This means they now have permission to build two extra tiers on top of the long stands. It should add around 4700 seats to the capacity of the stadium.
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Pana needs a new stadium. 30 000 seats.
They do. Even with these new seats it will still be smaller than Aris' stadium.
There were two massive plans for redevelopment, both of which failed due to lack of funds.
The first was building a brand new stadium at Votanikos - a very central industrial district. They found the land, got permissions and Manuel Salgado (Dragao stadium) drew up the plans. The stadium was basically similar to the Dragao but with steeper stands, 42,000 capacity. They started leveling the ground but then abandoned the project:
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Then last year, the 'PAO Movement' got plans for rebuilding the Leoforo. Sadly the plans required the acquisition of a neighboring school - so this was therefore just a fantasy. The stadium would have been 44,000. Shame, for me it would easily the best stadium in the whole Balkans if it was built.
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Isn't a 42,000 capacity stadium too big for PAO ? Maybe a 30,000 would be enough.
Anyway,if they could rebuild the current stadium would be a better option and probably cheaper
It's a debate I have wasted many an internet session debating with 2nd generation Greeks.
For example, if we look at AEK. They can sell 65,000 seats if they have a big game.. Champions League, big derby etc... So therefore. I think they should be building a stadium bigger than 40,000 - they sell more season tickets than anyone else in Greece.. However, many Greeks will argue, it will only be full around 10 times a year. I argue - 'so what?' A bigger stadium takes into account both AEK and football growth in Greece, it will be used for international matches, big summer friendlies/tournaments etc etc.. However, clearly - the Greeks with money agree with smaller = better. AEK are going to build at 30k stadium with saunas and bars included, that can never be enlarged. I see that as looking backwards. Demis Nikolaidis understood Nea Filadelfia could never hold a stadium more than 30,000 and wanted to build AEK a 50,000k stadium in Ano Liosia - about 10 minutes away from their old stadium. All the AEK fans told him to fuck off.
As for PAO - currently they sell very few season tickets. Their club is dying. They can either buy better players or build a beautiful stadium to revitalise the club. I am pretty sure they will do neither.
PAOK have a massive fan base, however their club is run like Penafiel. They should have a big stadium - but again for what? To watch low quality players lose?
Olympiacos attempted to enlarge the Karaiskaki, but in order to that, it needed deeper foundations. When surveys were carried out they found sand deep underground meaning it was not viable.
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As for the cup game tomorrow. More than 1,500 police officers will participate in draconian security measures for critical Cup match between AEK and Olympiakos, which will be attended by around 65,000 fans.
I think Juventus are a great example in this matter. There's no need to build a huge, and therefore, very expensive stadium if it will only be full in a couple of matches throughout the season.
You have a better atmosphere with a smaller stadium that is full than with a bigger stadium that is most times half empty. And financially it can also be well explored.
The best solution for countries like Portugal,Grecce,Italy etc is to build a smaller stadium but having the chance to expand it if the club wants to.
From what I see in the Greek league,most times stadiums are "empty" like in Portugal. If even Olympiakos can´t fill their stadium in most matches,PAO or AEK won't aswell,so 30,000 would be more than enough. Honestly,I don't see how AEK and football growth can chance so dramatically the current situation,therefore don't think there will be a huge need to expand the stadium
Thing is, one should not plan for the present. One should plan for the future and consider the past.
There was a time when Olympiacos and AEK would fill their stadiums even for small games. With the advent of hooliganism and the destructive 90's - the stadia emptied accordingly. Families do not go to games anymore. No one believes in football anymore in Greece. If it stays this way for the next 100 years, than yes - 30k for AEK is perfect.
Now I can imagine a club like AEK, which is always in the Champions League - fighting big derbies etc... needing more than 30k seats. Even in the second division, they have brought 65,000 fans to this game tomorrow. Imagine in better times!
Nea Filadefeia is a very small plot. It has height restrictions and problems with an adjacent park. There is no possibility of expansion on the site as they would be building into the road.
I find a 30k stadium for AEK not only naive but also short sighted. Olympiacos have lost millions in revenue because of the small size of its stadium. There have been many many games where many many fans have had to watch on TV because the stadium is too small.
Now for a team like Iraklis... Aris...Larissa, Kalamata..Xanthi etc... sure... smaller the better.. but for AEK? 30k is absolutely ridiculous imo. I am not imagining a 60k stadium would be appropriate, but I think they need a stadium over 40k - as does Olympiacos and PAO. Building a 40k stadium instead of a 30k has very little price differential - however the difference for the fans on big days is critical. That is why all 3 clubs attempted stadium around that size and 2 failed due to lack of funds, Olympiacos failed because of engineering issues.
Markarian: Greece need to attack more
(AFP) Thursday 5 March 2015
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Greece coach Sergio Markarian said he wanted Greece to play more attacking football against Hungary in their UEFA EURO 2016 qualifier on 29 March as his side strive to move off the bottom position.
"We know it is a very difficult time and we need a big effort, but I believe in the players and the chances that we have. With a good effort and cooperation we will do well," the 70-year-old Uruguayan coach told a press conference.
Markarian, who was picked to coach the Greeks through the EURO 2016 tournament last month, said that if Greece failed to qualify for the finals in France next year it would be a step backwards after such a good showing from 2002 onwards.
"But we are optimistic and will try our best," Markarian said. "We want to give the Greeks joy at this difficult time for them."
Markarian said that in the past Greece had been known for its defensive play, but he wanted the team to be more offensive.
In the past Greece had a style, good defense and goals in the counter attacks. With time this style has been lost.Greece head coach Sergio Markarian
"In the past Greece had a style, good defense and goals in the counter attacks. With time this style has been lost. We must move forward. Good football means good defense and good offense," the former coach of Peru and Paraguay added. Markarian said the match with Hungary would be crucial for his side.
"I cannot say if we will win or not, but I am sure with the help of the players we will play good football," he added.
Greece are bottom of the group with just one point in four matches. Romania head the table with ten points followed by Northern Ireland (9), Hungary (7), Finland (4) and Faroe Islands (3).
This coach is not actually that bad. I remember how he used to set out teams, quite clever.
Anyways, this is what I would go for with our remaining games.
.................................Karnezis....................................
Torosidis..........Manolas...................Sokratis............Xolebas
......................K.Papadopoulos...........Samaris.......................
...........Gianniotas................Fetfatzidis........................Ninis......................
......................................Mitroglou.....................................
A taste of Athens for the few members on here who havent visited.. Hope you enjoy the weirdness and the dirt that is Athens.
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Ψυρρή
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Ρεα???
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Boas fotos Faliro, efrraristo.
I've been in Athens once.
I didn't recall so many lousy graffitis, though. Why isn't the city hall doing anything about it?
The mayor, kaminis, is far left. You could graffiti his face and still not see jail.
In Greece, many see public law and order as fascist.
They should at least care how bad their capital city looks, no?
The Greek left traditionally don't care about appearances. Most Greeks are leftist or believe themselves to be.
Athens has some of the finest street graffiti anywhere on earth, however it is also has tons and tons of shitty vandalism graffiti that makes the place look.. rough.. really rough.
Here is some of the better stuff..
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(http://www.worldliteraturetoday.org/sites/default/files/2011/March/athens-robertwallace-sm.jpg)
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I love graffitis when done right, like you've shown above, but I think there should be prison sentences for people just "tagging" the streets, it's pure vandalism. Our lovely Lisbon is ruined as well on many places because of these wannabe criminals who think they're tough and that they earn street cred by spraying their shitty nicknames on a wall. They have no respect, they will even tag our beautiful tiles and historic statues from Camões, Marquês de Pombal or Fernando Pessoa, if they can.
If ever catched one of these filthy punks tagging my home, I would bash their fucking teeth in and bring him down to the police station myself.
As I had said before, pretty much everyone I'm talked to who has visited Greece has loved it, but disliked or even hated Athens. I guess the griffitti doesn't help much either.
^^ They need me to take them round and show them the cool places. O0 I would never recommend a friend to discover Athens on his/her own. Too much could go wrong. ;D
Also I agree with H, I would seriously damage anyone doing that to my place. I used to do some Graffito myself - quite big pieces, but never tagging other people's homes and businesses.
Greeks graffiti anything.(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01538/graffiti-statue_1538695i.jpg)
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Tomorrow Makarian announces his squad for the quals.
I expect a shit squad.
I'm starting to think Greeks are a more rebellious and aggressive version of the Portuguese.
Citação de: Festivus em 19 de Março de 2015, 20:22
I'm starting to think Greeks are a more rebellious and aggressive version of the Portuguese.
Totally.
Citação de: Festivus em 19 de Março de 2015, 20:22
I'm starting to think Greeks are a more rebellious and aggressive version of the Portuguese.
Far more aggressive.
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Março de 2015, 20:37
Citação de: Festivus em 19 de Março de 2015, 20:22
I'm starting to think Greeks are a more rebellious and aggressive version of the Portuguese.
Far more aggressive.
Try saying that Portugal is a province from Spain and you'll see if the Portuguese are less aggressive.
So Makarian has selected the Greek squad or 'walking dead' as I like to call them, for the make or break against Hungary. Here they are and my ratings for any agents out there. The heat map indicates how good the player is also.
Goalkeepers:
Karnezis (Udinese) 6.5/10 Fairly competent keeper. Haven't monitored him but he has made one or two mistakes in the past in big games.
Kapino (Mainz 05) 4/10 Mistake prone.
Vellidis (Giannina) 6/10 Fairly good.
Defence:
Torosidis (Roma) 7.5/10 Lock in for RB.
K. Papadopoulos (Leverkusen) 8.5/10. Best player Greece has produced imo.
Manolas (Roma) 8/10. Superior CB and one of the fastest in the game.
Xolebas (Roma)7.5/10 Attack minded LB. Clever and quick. Bit of a temper.
Bakakis (AEK) ? Have not watched this player enough to have an opinion.
Siovas (OSFP) 5/10 Once a towering dominant figure. Since the injuries, a shadow of who he once was.
Papastathopoulos (Dortmund) 6.5/10. Quality CB, however very card happy.
Moras (Verona) 5.5/10 Not a bad CB, not excellent.
Stafilidis (Fulham) 5.5/10 Attack minded LB playing for a very poor quality side, still young but will probably be a good player one day.
Midfielders:
Tachtsidis (Verona) 5/10 Slow but very good passer - also very strong.
Katsouranis (Atromitos) 2/10 Slow, card happy and generally past it. A liability of the first order.
Fortunis (OSFP) 5/10 Lightweight creative midfield player.
Lagos (PAO) 5/10 Average DM.
Samaris (Benfica) 7/10 Have only seen 3-4 games of Benfica this season. He should be a lock in at DM.
Xristodoulopoulos (Udinese) 5/10 Mediocre attacking left winger.
Fetfatzidis (Chievo) 8/10 Perhaps the best attacking player Greece currently has.
Gianniotas (Asteras) 7.5/10 Superior right winger, very happy he was called up.
Kone (Udinese) 5/10 Dislike this player. Has some ability I guess, but has many poor games and is very card happy.
Forwards:
Mitroglou (OSFP) 7/10 What can be said about this player which has not already been said? On his day a quality CF. On his day..
Karelis (PAO) 5/10 Beefcake attacking mid/striker. 1 good game for every 3 bad.
Athanasiadis (PAOK) 4/10 Yet to do anything of any significance for the NT, but keeps getting chances.
This is not a squad that will inspire however, if I were in charge..
............................Karnezis..............................
Toro.............Sokratis........Manolis...............Xolebas
...............K. Paps.....................Samaris................
Gianniotas................Fetfa......................Karelis..
..........................Mitroglou..................................
OFI announce that they have left the Super League. Like AEK, Aris and other clubs that went bankrupt, they will be sent to the amateur 3rd division. They will then look for an investor.
They were due to play PAS Giannina in 1 hour. That makes it two teams that have not made it to the end.. Niki Volos the other..
In other news, Angelos Charisteas of Euro 2004 fame is doing his military service. it was delayed because he was a footballer...
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Didn't know Greece had mandatory military service, that's so odd!! :confused:
The only other country I know that has military service is Austria, which is also weird, but in Austria I think you can do public service instead of military service, if you wish to.
Can you talk a bit of why do you have conscription in Greece? Does it have anything to do with your neighbours (mainly Turkey and the whole Cyprus issue)?
Greece has conscription due to the immediate and vast threat of Turkey, which does not recognise Greece's sea borders and questions the sovereignty of many Greek islands. Greece spends far more on weapons than most other EU nations because of this constant threat and has military conscription of all available males including priests.
Turkey regularly violates Greek airspace with armed jets and sails military frigates into Greek waters without permission.
As a result Greece and Turkey have come close to war on various occasions and Greece realises - the UK, Germany, Italy etc would not necessarily back Greece if it was invaded by Turkey.
Turkey's army is the second biggest in NATO - only the USA has a bigger army. Also Turkey is run by a neo ottomanist expansionist group of leaders who which to expand Turkey out into its former domains.
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OFI players and coach came on the pitch to say goodbye..
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PAS players looking on..
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Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Março de 2015, 19:42
Greece has conscription due to the immediate and vast threat of Turkey, which does not recognise Greece's sea borders and questions the sovereignty of many Greek islands. Greece spends far more on weapons than most other EU nations because of this constant threat and has military conscription of all available males including priests.
Turkey regularly violates Greek airspace with armed jets and sails military frigates into Greek waters without permission.
As a result Greece and Turkey have come close to war on various occasions and Greece realises - the UK, Germany, Italy etc would not necessarily back Greece if it was invaded by Turkey.
Turkey's army is the second biggest in NATO - only the USA has a bigger army. Also Turkey is run by a neo ottomanist expansionist group of leaders who which to expand Turkey out into its former domains.
Thanks for explaining that, exactly what I thought.
Turkey seems like an extremely unfriendly neighbor. I, as a Portuguese, have nothing against them, never even been there althought there's curiosity. In any case, looking at the tense relations between Turkey and Greece, Armenia and even with some muslim sects, an outsider gets a suspicious feeling coming from there, and I'm not even mentioning the whole trouble in the Balkans on the first half of the XX century. The people that are currently in power are indeed quite incovenient, to say the least.
This is probably a cliché question to ask and maybe even too sensitive to do so to a Greek person, but if I'm allowed to ask you and if you want to answer, can you tell me your thoughts on Hagia Sophia? I mean, concerning its past, current situation and Future? I only ask this because (I think I said this already on another thread) this is the kind of stuff we don't read in the books, it's in the common people's mind, not in the scholar ones.
PS: If you feel like it, you can take this last question as a metaphor for the general relation between Greece and Turkey.
The subject of the Hagia Sofia or Santa Sofia as it was known is purposefully confused by nationalists and those who have an exceptionally poor understanding of history.
I have read as much as can on the subject, and having a grandfather who spent some of his childhood is Istanbul (Constantinople) I feel I can give you the brutal reality of this curious subject.
Firstly, one has to understand the fall of Constantinople in basic and honest terms. Something rarely ever attempted on either side.
By the time Constantinople fell, 1453, the city was already mostly abandoned due do massive depopulation caused by the sacking of the city by crusaders and the destruction and capture of 90% of the Byzantine Empire by the Ottomans. The city was so abandoned that there were fields where houses and buildings once stood within the actual walls - rather than just pure city as it once was. Literally towns existed within the walls with farming and countryside in between.. a truly apocalyptic vision. The defending force was only about 7000..an unbelievably small number.. the Ottomans had around 150,000 troops surrounding the city give or take (with many Christian mercenaries helping.. :crazy2:).. It was a foregone conclusion. So therefore, to all the Greeks who claim it was a stunning city, the greatest city on earth, the original 'Poli' - it was, but this was not the city the Ottomans captured, rather the city the Crusaders sinfully looted 200 years prior. So therefore, many Greeks are wrong when they state the magnificent city fell. It was a mostly a beautiful and awe inspiring semi abandoned city with most of the prior residents having fled to Venice or other Italian provinces - whose descendants are just normal everyday Italians.
Having said this, the capture of the Byzantine Empire or 'Romania' as it was known to the actual Greeks at the time was a cataclysmic event. The Empire and city had miraculously survived many attempts on its existence, but this time, things would never ever be the same. The vast amount of Greeks left in the former realm converted to Islam to pay less taxes. That is why modern day Turks along the western coast of Turkey physically look very Greek and also why the current Turkish population is so massive. Even ex Byzantine Royals intermarried with Ottomans helping to create the Ottoman royal family. The Greeks who refused to convert were the Christian religious fanatics who were revolted by sunni islam. Their children were harvested through Ottoman child taxes (the children were taken young from Christian families, forced converted to islam and given a career in the Ottoman army through the infamous Devşirme system). They also had higher taxes thrust on them for remaining christian.
Now here comes the kicker. The Ottomans did not wipe out the Greek race. I have often wondered why they didn't eradicate them from history as Greeks always come back to bite you in the ass unless you completely remove them from a situation. Lately I believe simply it was because the Ottomans believed they could make a lot of money from taxing Christian Greeks, however this would prove to be a massive mistake for the Ottoman Empire. The small remaining population of Christian Greeks slowly recovered numbers. Poor Greeks left stranded within the this new Ottoman Empire tentatively started to flock to Constantinople and Smyrna (modern day Izmir). Because the Greeks were educated unlike Ottoman subjects (Greeks could read/write/were bilingual unlike Ottoman subjects who were encouraged to become brain-dead soldiers or religious peasants), they soon managed to almost completely dominate the banking sectors, merchant centres and commercial aspects of the Ottoman Empire, even becoming Grand Viziers - second only to the Sultan. The lax and contradictory Greek orthodoxy allowed Greeks to be as educated as their Italian or French counterparts. By the time the Ottoman Empire collapsed, the Greeks were the richest demographic in the Empire controlling the farms, banks, hotels and merchant sectors and also had vast populations in Western Turkey - They made up the largest demographic in Smyrna and second largest in Istanbul. They had literally risen from the ashes and had greatly influenced the Ottoman Empire - financially, architecturally and culturally. However this had happened almost under the radar - through subterfuge and corruption. The Ottomans were not happy about this, but they themselves were far too corrupt and infantile to deal with the problem of the Greeks and indeed the Armenians.
Now back to original question now that we have dealt with the brutal reality of history.
Hagia Sofia will never return to Greeks. Not unless someone murders over 70 million Turks, which I don't see on the horizon. Istanbul used to have huge Greek numbers living there. Now there are less than 2000. Nearly all the Greeks have been forced to leave through violent pogroms in the 1950s, population exchanges or through common sense. Istanbul will never be a Christian capital again. Not while we walk the earth. I believe accepting that is liberating.
I believe most logical and fairly smart Greeks accept that without condition. Sadly, that building, Hagia Sofia is the Greek Vatican, but alas, it will always have sunni muslim calligraphy hanging from is various internal domes. Many second generation Australian or American Greeks, when they are teenagers, repeat what their grandparents tell them that one day Greeks will take back the holy capital...however they soon grow out the phase if they have any sense. The chance was there to recover Anatolia in the 1920's however, it all went wrong..
Personally, having read how corrupt, insidious and completely mad the Byzantine Empire was, I don't feel it is such a big loss. People marvel at the lunacy of Caligula and the embarrassment of Nero only because they have not read about emperors like Justinian II in Byzantium. There is little doubt if the Greeks had managed to take back the city in the 1920s, it would now be one of the global capitals to rival New York or London. But, better the Turks have it. Let them try and make their own version of sunni islamic society there.. Also although I was christened Greek Orthodox as a baby, only my grandfather was Greek, so perhaps 'pure Greeks' may feel stronger about the whole disaster.. I found it painful to even discuss when I was younger I felt so strongly. As I got older I ceased to care.
Greeks will keep the dream alive.. they are good at that. They named a big area of Piraues 'Perama' after the famous Perama in Constantinople for example and the clubs AEK, Panionios, PAOK and Apollon will keep the idea or vision in the memory.
What is sad is that Greeks almost did it. They almost captured Anatolia in the 1920s.. The army made it to the gates of Anakara.. but then it went bad.. My grandfather, god rest his remains, was in that army. He saw much death and horror. He was only 15 at the time. All that is the past now. Anyone who talks about the Megali Idea (Greeks taking back their big population centres in the 1920s) is a fantasist imo.. although, it was a hugely tantalizing and euphoric dream that almost came true...
(http://www.ahistoryofgreece.com/photos/venizelosmap.jpg)
History lesson? All you need is one image:
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One of my favorites...
For me the Byzantine Empire was not something I find that awe inspiring.
I prefer the ancients more..
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Thank you for that superb explanation Faliro. Always interesting to have the thoughts on those matters, from a common man, not a politician or a scholar.
Just one last question: Do you think the Future holds peace between the two countries, even without "territorial reorganizations"? Or do you think that sometime in the Future, warfare might fall within the relations, even if not in numbers such as "70 million" (e. g. Golden Dawn coming into power and start doing some violent purges or Turkey trying to take the rest of Cyprus)?
Well as you probably figured out H, I am a cynic.
Sunni Islam is one of the strongest denominations of the Islamic religion. If someone blows themselves up, 99.99% of the time they are a Sunni and not a Shia. Many Turks, when they meet western strangers, put on a show of; 'we are all the same - we are just the same as Europeans.. coffee, disco..' I am afraid that is absolute rubbish. The Turks are set with the whole Sunni Islam thing and when that call to prayer rings out at dawn, people respect it and marvel at the idea that Allah is a merciful creator.
When the Romans were feeding Christians to the lions as a spectacle, none of them believed for a second that one day Rome would be worshiping the same desert God. Islam and Europe will reach a point of no return in a similar fashion. The scale of muslim reproduction in Europe is unprecedented. They already dominate many city councils and have the majority in many region's demographics. When this point of no return is reached, Europe will either have to decide to embrace Islam or fight it. Either way, it will be a truly apocalyptic time to be alive in Europe.
Christianity on its own was not enough to convince the European pagans to convert. Smashing their temples and destroying religious and pagan cultural precincts was how Christianity was able to dominate.
I truly don't ever see a time where Greece and Turkey will be friends. There are many far leftists who search for things in common with the two cultures (the need to take a shit, coffee, both Greeks and Turks usually have a set of eyes and two legs etc..) but you could find more in common with a Lion and a Gazelle than with a Greek and a Turk. Turks are hugely proud of the Ottoman Empire and very Islamic people and any Greek who believes their life would improve living under some type of Turkish partnership has clearly received some sort of brain damage. 100,000's of Greeks died to not have Greece exist as a slave to a muslim Empire. According to most polls, Greeks are perhaps the most distrustful of Muslims in Europe.
I don't believe greeks are particularly nice people, however, even they thank God each day they don't have to live near or under Turks. Those 400 years of virtual slavery will not be forgotten and should not be forgotten. Luckily Turkey reminds Greece each day that nothing has changed. They violate Greek air and sea borders weekly with war ships and military bombers. Talk monthly (their PM and foreign minister) about how a reintroduction of a new type Ottoman Empire would help the Balkans, etc...About how certain big Greek islands like Rhodes might not actually belong to Greece! They have it written in their constitution, that if Greece claims a 10 miles sea border (allowed by international law and which Turkey itself has in place on its southern and norther shores) - Turkey will officially go to war with Greece. Even if Greece extends its sea borders to 10 miles on its western facing shores - 100s of miles away from Turkey! That keeps Greeks aware of who their neighbors really are.. Italy and the rest of the world simply look on with popcorn in hand at the tragic show. Greece is simply too weak to take Turkey on and stop the bullying. Greece does not have one international ally.
Thanks Faliro. This is the kind of conversation I for once would like to have with you, while drinking a few beers and then perhaps watch a game between Benfica and Olympiakos.
Still about the subject, in any case of aggression, I'm pretty sure you would have the support of the Armenian Armed Forces as well, which should give you a good another million men to deal with the problem. Unless Azerbaijan puts their nose in it as well...
But do you get the feeling that not even your Balkanic neighbours, once upon a time united against the Ottoman Empire, would give you a hand? I know they have their own inner struggles (Ex-Jugoslavia issues, with Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc.) but don't you feel any sort of sympathy from them on this matter? Not even from your Orthodox brothers from Serbia?
PS: A person starts thinking if Europe is that much of a safe place, when discussing these problems. At least on the East, it seems like a boiling pot that is about to explode any day. And this is without even mentioning Ukraine vs Russia, Georgia vs Russia, Chechnya, Abkhazia, Ossetia, etc.
I'm pretty sure if it would happen, the entire EU would support Greece.
Not going to happen anyway...
And I don't want to face Olympiakos in a near future. That's for sure.
Citação de: pcssousa em 24 de Março de 2015, 17:35
I'm pretty sure if it would happen, the entire EU would support Greece.
Not going to happen anyway...
And I don't want to face Olympiakos in a near future. That's for sure.
:2funny: Remember that game with all the rain? What a strange day that was.. I would love to see a rematch. Simply because above anything, it's great to have a club like Benfica visit Athens and great to see how Olympiacos deal with Benfica in Lisboa.
Citação de: H em 24 de Março de 2015, 15:38
Thanks Faliro. This is the kind of conversation I for once would like to have with you, while drinking a few beers and then perhaps watch a game between Benfica and Olympiakos.
Still about the subject, in any case of aggression, I'm pretty sure you would have the support of the Armenian Armed Forces as well, which should give you a good another million men to deal with the problem. Unless Azerbaijan puts their nose in it as well...
But do you get the feeling that not even your Balkanic neighbours, once upon a time united against the Ottoman Empire, would give you a hand? I know they have their own inner struggles (Ex-Jugoslavia issues, with Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc.) but don't you feel any sort of sympathy from them on this matter? Not even from your Orthodox brothers from Serbia?
PS: A person starts thinking if Europe is that much of a safe place, when discussing these problems. At least on the East, it seems like a boiling pot that is about to explode any day. And this is without even mentioning Ukraine vs Russia, Georgia vs Russia, Chechnya, Abkhazia, Ossetia, etc.
Next time you in London, give me a call. O0
Now concerning the interesting point of Orthodox brotherhood. The first point to come to terms with was that the ''Russians'' armed Ataturk in the 1920s against Greece believing incorrectly Ataturk was a socialist... :crazy2: When the Greeks were fighting the Turks in Anatolia, they were alone. The Armenians where just watching. When the Armenians were being massacred by the Turks, the Greeks were keeping a low profile. When Turkey invaded Cyprus - Europe watched. Greece sent a handful of troops who engaged the Turkish troops in the battle for the island. Both these counties were/are NATO allies... counted for nothing. The Balkans wars? 1st Balkan war? Super! Greece, Serbia, Armenians, Bulgaria, Montenegro vs the Ottoman Empire. The 2nd Balkan war? Serbia, Greece, Ottoman Empire, Romania, Montenegro vs Bulgaria! :crazy2:
I truly believe Armenia would do absolutely nothing if Turkey engaged Greece in warfare - Bulgaria and Macedonia would watch the invasion on TV..
I also believe Serbia, and the EU would do nothing ((EU would put sanctions on Turkey and threaten to suspend Turkey's entry to the EU and tell Turkey to withdraw or else.. words. The EU has no agreements to protect Greece against a muslim invasion that I am aware of, which is unprecedented and mind-blowing in itself)). In fact concerning Serbia, I can imagine some ultra nationalists unofficially coming over to Greece to help, but only a handful. NATO would also do zero. If Greece had any confidence in any of the countries helping, they would slash their defense budget. Turkey also knows no one would help Greece, hence the provocations and constant talk of war and violations.
The only country that I believe
might do something would be Russia. Putin is the most pro Greek Russian leader in the last 100 years. He visits Greece a lot, prays regularly at mount Athos.. He is someone who would be strong enough to believe Russia has some type of duty to defend Greece.
On another note, today is Greek independence today. Marching in the wet conditions.
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In the worst case scenario (NATO and the EU standing by idly), Putin's Russia would never let Turkey invade Greece.
That is certain.
It's no wonder Russia feels hostilized with NATO being kept around after the Cold War was over. I don't like or want anything to do with the Russian government but I don't like my country being a dog of the Americans either. Joining them in the Iraq war was retarded. Not only we gave them Lajes in Azores but we also joined them in that crappy war? I don't see what we get in return. We're not under threat by any country so we don't need any protection from them. I'm afraid we're never leaving NATO since we're a founding member bah.
Sucks being a small and economically weak country. Not everyone can be Switzerland, I guess.
Russia or the Soviet Union has made made catastrophic decisions resulting in the deaths of millions. However they were spot when they told America and the UK to keep out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria. Greece is member of NATO but keeps out of all these conflicts since Korea.
However, by refusing to send troops, America has often punished Greece. the purist recent example is when Greece refused to send troops to Iraq. Macedonia sent 100 troops and America therefore backed Macedonia in the naming dispute With Greece, recognizing the name 'Macedonia' within 1 month of Macedonia promising to send troops to Iraq.
NATO is simply a con. No NATO country has to defend any other. The focus is simply'Russia.'
The same goes for the EU.
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Março de 2015, 23:02
Russia or the Soviet Union has made made catastrophic decisions resulting in the deaths of millions. However they were spot when they told America and the UK to keep out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria. Greece is member of NATO but keeps out of all these conflicts since Korea.
However, by refusing to send troops, America has often punished Greece. the purist recent example is when Greece refused to send troops to Iraq. Macedonia sent 100 troops and America therefore backed Macedonia in the naming dispute With Greece, recognizing the name 'Macedonia' within 1 month of Macedonia promising to send troops to Iraq.
NATO is simply a con. No NATO country has to defend any other. The focus is simply'Russia.'
The same goes for the EU.
Americans simply wanted oil and used Iraq as a scapegoat for 9/11. The Iraqi war only made islamic terrorism worse. Saddam wasn't a nice guy by any means but he wasn't a fanatical jihadist like the Saudis(great friends with the Americans) are.
Russia are FAR form being saints, as I've said, but I refuse to view the Americans as the good guys. It's kinda funny and hypocritical how everyone goes apeshit when Russia decides to take over Crimea but no one cares when they USA goes into an undeveloped country and decides to stir shit up. Not to mention American culture is far more of a threat to most European countries than the Russian one is. hell, just look at football nowadays. It's getting more and more Americanized.
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Março de 2015, 23:02
NATO is simply a con. No NATO country has to defend any other. The focus is simply'Russia.'
Not exactly true.
Since NATO is in fact a military alliance, each member state agrees to mutual defense in response to an attack by any external party. At least
theoretically that's how it is.
If one NATO member starts a conflict with another, the alliance does nothing. Greece was almost pushed into war with Turkey over a rock in the Aegean in the 90s. Shots were fired, people died. NATO did nothing.
NATOs existence is because of the threat of Russia...
That's why I said "external party."
War between NATO members is theoretically possible but I'm not sure how that would actually pan out in reality.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 25 de Março de 2015, 23:31
That's why I said "external party."
War between NATO members is theoretically possible but I'm not sure how that would actually pan out in reality.
Greece and Turkey were at war in cyprus. Again, both were NATO members and the blood was being let. NATO did nothing. It is best not to believe NATO will unilaterally do something until that point is reached. If history has taught us anything, it is that pieces of paper signed by various Governments in times of conflict are substitutes for cheap toilet paper. The UN is another example of a defunct organisation.
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Março de 2015, 23:42
Citação de: Gottschalk em 25 de Março de 2015, 23:31
That's why I said "external party."
War between NATO members is theoretically possible but I'm not sure how that would actually pan out in reality.
Greece and Turkey were at war in cyprus. Again, both were NATO members and the blood was being let. NATO did nothing. It is best not to believe NATO will unilaterally do something until that point is reached. If history has taught us anything, it is that pieces of paper signed by various Governments in times of conflict are substitutes for cheap toilet paper. The UN is another example of a defunct organisation.
NATO countries probably view Turkey as a useful ally in the middle east and not to mention the EU is considering allowing Turkey to join in someday.
Turkey was viewed as an ally against Communism during the Cold War and nowadays against Islamic extremism.
I'm not sure they'll ever be admitted into the EU. In fact, I strongly suspect the EU will collapse or morph into something else sooner than Turkey ever joining it.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 25 de Março de 2015, 23:51
Turkey was viewed as an ally against Communism during the Cold War and nowadays against Islamic extremism.
I'm not sure they'll ever be admitted into the EU. In fact, I strongly suspect the EU will collapse or morph into something else sooner than Turkey ever joining it.
I love the idea of the EU in theory, but it's clearly going through the problems everyone knows. let's see if its able to surpass them.
If Turkey ever joins the EU then I can see Israel eventually joining it as well. They already play in UEFA competitions just like Turkey...
I agree with a common European market and European convergence on topics related to security.
European federalism no.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 25 de Março de 2015, 23:51
Turkey was viewed as an ally against Communism during the Cold War and nowadays against Islamic extremism.
No one believes that since 2000. Most the heavy ISIS infantry that captured most of Iraq were trained and armed in Turkey and released into Syria to topple Assad. Apparently seeing these heavily armed soldiers around certain Turkish border cities before Syria erupted was common place. Once released into Syria they became in many cases founding members of ISIS. That is why Turkey
as a NATO member ::), refused up until late last year, to let America bomb these 'freedom fighters.' Once ISIS had established their caliphate, Turkey was hugely pressured to allow American bombers the use of Turkish airspace and finally caved in November! Turkey refused to allow this before hand because of its close links with these fighters. Turkey also has a history of arming Palestinian terrorists. (I am no fan of Israel btw..)
CitaçãoI'm not sure they'll ever be admitted into the EU. In fact, I strongly suspect the EU will collapse or morph into something else sooner than Turkey ever joining it.
As for Turkey joining the EU. Many Scandinavian nations and countries like the UK are hugely positive about Turkish membership of the EU. However, I believe by the time Turkey is allowed in, Europe will be far more Islamic in nature anyway, so it will be easier to accept 73 million Sunnis have free movement in the EU.
Turkey does more to promote Islam than the arabs..
Turkey to build Balkans' largest mosque in Tirana (http://"http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-to-build-balkans-largest-mosque-in-tirana.aspx?pageID=238&nID=73512&NewsCatID=351")
Turkey organization TIKA finance Ferhadija mosque reconstruction in Bosnia (http://"http://www.balkaneu.com/turkey-organization-tika-finance-ferhadija-mosque-reconstruction/#sthash.CuND3DTq.dpuf")
Turkish embassy in Serbia is helping to finance restoration of what remains of the country's Ottoman heritage (http://"http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/turkey-breathes-new-life-into-serbia-s-ottoman-relics")
Turkish company builds and Turkish Government co funds largest central asian mosque in Kazakhstan (http://"http://www.jamestown.org/programs/edm/single/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=39788&cHash=5a5b4804b2#.VJl-LF4gBA")
Turkey builds largest mosque in Japan - The Tokyo Camii (http://"http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/11/japan-rich-muslim-past-present-2014112115633107534.html")
Turkish Mega Mosque in Germany Sparks Controversy (http://"http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2012/October/Turkish-Mega-Mosque-in-Germany-Sparks-Controversy/")
Cuba Rejects Erdogan's Offer to Build Country's First Mosque (http://"http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/187526#.VJmB9l4gBA")
and in Turkey itself:
Turkey to open mosques 'in every university' (http://"http://www.france24.com/en/20141121-turkey-open-mosques-every-university/")
Erdogan to build Istanbul's biggest mosque with worlds highest minaret (http://"http://www.dw.de/mosque-construction-sparks-controversy-in-istanbul/a-17041396")
Citação de: Gottschalk em 25 de Março de 2015, 23:59
I agree with a common European market and European convergence on topics related to security.
European federalism no.
I like not needing a passport to go to many countries. Although tighter border control would be a better option security wise.
As for the federalism, Europe will never be a single country only. that's unrealistic as it gets. The Euro was a good idea on paper but having the same currency for each country with different economy and GDP didn't turn out very well. it's great travelling not another country without having to exchange money but such convenience sure came with a price, didn't it?
Turkey will never be in the EU with Erdoğan in power. And furthermore Turkey doesn't need the EU... it's more of an obstacle to their imperialist ambitions (and I am not saying expansionist, but more like those anti-press laws, arrests, etc, deeply anti-European). And their economy is going good so far.
The same far left loons that build mosques in Europe all day to make Sunnis feel 'welcome' in Europe are the same mentally deficient EU enlargement bureaucrats that are willing to start of war with Russia over some Russian speaking Ukrainians having an EU flag flying over their town hall in 5 years time.
The EU is becoming increasingly dangerous due to those dictating policy generally having very low IQs.
For me, Turkey is the main problem in that region.
And I strongly suspect that ISIS has direct help from Erdogan and his buddies.
Citação de: LMFPC em 26 de Março de 2015, 00:21
For me, Turkey is the main problem in that region.
And I strongly suspect that ISIS has direct help from Erdogan and his buddies.
The majority of the heavy infantry of ISIS last year (the ones that took over cities in Iraq like they were made of lego) were Turkish trained jihadists. Erdogan and specifically the then FM and neo ottomanist Ahmet Davutoglu believed these ''''rebels'''' would topple Assad leaving Turkey ready to ''police'' the freshly liberated Syria.
Citação de: LMFPC em 26 de Março de 2015, 00:21
For me, Turkey is the main problem in that region.
And I strongly suspect that ISIS has direct help from Erdogan and his buddies.
Saudi Arabia is another big cancer that breeds extremism in the Middle East. And ofc, American foreign policy wits its support of Israel doesn't help at all either.
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Março de 2015, 00:18
The same far left loons that build mosques in Europe all day to make Sunnis feel 'welcome' in Europe are the same mentally deficient EU enlargement bureaucrats that are willing to start of war with Russia over some Russian speaking Ukrainians having an EU flag flying over their town hall in 5 years time.
The EU is becoming increasingly dangerous due to those dictating policy generally having very low IQs.
We barely have any Muslims here and they don't cause problems. then again our Muslims don't come from Middle Eastern countries.
Countries like England and Sweden have a lot of problems, though. And in Sweden the PC far-leftist lobby is insane.
Saudi Arabia and Israel are in some way controlled by USA.
Turkey is a different case. They can cause troubles.
Europe is being tolerant towards the intolerants. I am a strong advocate of multiculturalism and social relationships between people with different ethnic backgrounds and I believe that only through this process mankind can achieve some kind of broader mutual understanding, but Europe is forcing this process a lot, going too far without really thinking about what's happening.
I live in London. Down my road you see muslim women - head to toe in black robes - taking their kids to school, shopping etc. They speak no English. There are 10,000's of them in my area. All are on benefits and all don't work. They are breeders. Their kids go to muslim only schools funded by the UK taxpayer. Their council tax bills are in arabic so they can read them better. Most have 3-4 children. Even their kids speak extremely little English. There are similar situations all over Europe.
Some countries are worse than others. However I truly believe that the most dangerous people in Europe are those who believe Islam is simply another culture that is compatible with the west and our laws and human rights.
The hospital where I was born is one of the biggest in the country. It is in central London. Here is the sign for the accident and emergency section... there are others with the same theme all over the place..
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UK is demented though.
In need of a major overhaul.
Although Cambridge is a super-multicultural city, we (still) don't get to see those adaptations. I would say that in here the muslim population is is equalled, if not surpassed, by the Indian population. We do get to see a lot of Turkish restaurants curiously, but the muslim population is mostly comprised of University students, who also work as well, which is great.
BTW something hilarious happened concerning AEK on monday.
Remember, the owner of AEK is a major criminal and billionaire who was protected by the previous Governments and even encouraged to buy illegally OPAP, for very little money - OPAP is Europe's biggest gambling company..and formerly state owned.
So the only party the last 5 years asking for him to be sent to jail was... SYRIZA and now they in power!!
So, AEK went to a meeting on Monday concerning their stadium project. They should have been worried already because the minister who organised the meeting decided he could not be present at the meeting last minute.. ::)
So they are sitting there, expecting to argue about the famous trees that need chopping down etc.. however everything they say is not entertained by the mayor.. everything the AEK representatives state is met with negative. The mayor even states anything above 22,000 capacity is not an option! When AEK, now in total shock, asked what they are supposed to do - the council replied - find somewhere else to build your stadium! :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
The AEK delegates panicked and now the AEK fans are in a total spin.. even starting to attack Tiger (the owner)...
Citação de: jase25 em 26 de Março de 2015, 00:37
Europe is being tolerant towards the intolerants. I am a strong advocate of multiculturalism and social relationships between people with different ethnic backgrounds and I believe that only through this process mankind can achieve some kind of broader mutual understanding, but Europe is forcing this process a lot, going too far without really thinking about what's happening.
I know I might upset some people with this post, but I really need to say this.
Multiculturalism eventually leads to conflict. We humans need a sense of belonging to a group. We're wired like that. And it's impossible for humans to achieve full equality. Communism tried to put an end to the class system but that's against human nature. We're competitive and won't settle for less. We strive to be better than others. Different ethnic and religious groups will always have some conflict of interests at one point or another.
Things like Affirmative Action in the USA and minority quotas don't really help fight racism, in my opinion. Who'd be happy getting refused admission into a University or not being hired by an employer in detriment of an ethnic minority who's protected by Affirmative Action?
Another problem is the ghettofication of immigrants. Although that goes both ways. Many times the government gives free housing with low rents to immigrants and minorities and they end up turning the place into a ghetto. The thing is, some people don't really have culture anymore. The gypsies are a prime example of this. They really aren't a culture anymore for the most part, but more like a de-culture. The state offers them housing and they make bonfires inside them, etc. Also Gypsy kids abandon school as soon as they can... not to mention they fail a lot of classes until they're old.
One must also be aware of the cultural proximity between two groups. A Portuguese who moves to France will adapt himself a lot easier than a German who moves to Iran, per example. I've only traveled outside of Europe once, Tunisia, and I felt almost like I was on a different planet.
It's fine to ban institutional racism, but people will always fear the unknown and view each other differently deep down. I'm sure Faliro will always consider himself Greek first and foremost despite being a Uk citizen, per example. And many immigrants or children of immigrants eventually go through identity crisis when they're "forced" to choose a side.
The Middle East is definitely currently going through some "dark ages" period like Europe went through in the Middle Ages. Some say that there aren't better and more advanced civilizations than others but I disagree. Civilizations go through cyclic periods, having their golden ages and also their lowest points. The thing is, the "nazism" and "racism" paranoia ever since WW2 as over has affected a lot of people, so if you tell someone "well European civilizations as a whole are more advanced than African and most Asian ones" people will immediately call you a racist, when you're not even referring to genetics and shit. Most people in Arab countries aren't educated and live under theocratic regimes. Imagine if we allowed fanatical Christians into power in Europe? We don't because people here are way more educated on average. Sadly, many people in the West allow those loonies to get what they want, because people are afraid of getting killed by terrorists. If politicians had the balls to face those religious extremists, they wouldn't blackmail European politicians with such threats any longer. As jase25 said, we're becoming tolerant towards intolerance. In countries like Sweden and the UK it's getting considered racist to even fly your country's flag because it offends immigrants.
That being said, I consider Portuguese society more backwards than most Western European ones. Just look at the inequality here in comparison to central and northern countries. Also the general attitudes towards sex here. Also, the fact that we still air bullfighting on public tv in 2015 is pretty absurd. No one is perfect and all civilizations and ethnic groups have their own faults. I have to be coherent and admit we have a lot of flaws and as does our country. And our society being more backwards than many other Western European ones ends up hurting the country as a whole since those same people end up getting in power.
Despite all the flags you see on the windows since Euro 2004(some of them even have lost color), I don't think Portuguese people as a whole are very proud or patriotic. Well maybe patriotic somewhat but if they were truly proud they would buy more national products, wouldn't back down to other countries on a political or institutional level, would promote the Portuguese language(it's gained a lot of importance since Brazil has improved its economy) and culture better worldwide, etc. Many foreigners don't know jack about this country, not even about the Age of Exploration. You might blame it on their ignorance... but then they know France, the UK and Spain all had empires. Clearly we're doing something wrong. Remember Faliro, when you've said that Italians were the best salesmen on Earth or something like that? Well, I dunno if they are or not but they sure now how to make good publicity. Italians have convinced the world that their men are handsome and great lovers, that their women are the finest in the world, that their products will make you sexy and good looking as well, and that their country is beautiful and romantic. What does Portugal show the world? "Oh we have nice beaches and Cristiano Ronaldo!". As much as I love football, it disgusts me that my country promotes itself as some sort of European Brazil. And speaking of Brazil, they also know how to promote their country and culture. Also they promote their people as friendly and their women as all being hot. If you ask someone "where would you like to live in?" you'll see many people answering "Brazil", "Italy" and hell even "Jamaica". Jamaica is a shithole, but dumb potheads and impressionable teenagers and young adults who are into reggae and Rastafarianism actually believe is some sort of paradise. Now I dare you to go up to someone and try to convince them Portugal is a paradise and they wont' believe you. They'll be like "Where's that?" or "What, the poorest country in western europe?". We're clearly not doing enough for our image and reputation worldwide. And while we do have nice beaches, we need to promote our urban areas, our architecture, etc. Tourism has been rising in Portugal lately, but some things needs to be improved. Our gastronomy needs ot be better promoted. Everyone knows about Spanish, Italian, Brazilian, Indian, etc. gastronomy. But they wont' be able to mention a single Portuguese cuisine dish. And what comes ot their mind when you mention "Feijoada" is the Brazilian version.
Anyway, nothing wrong at all with being proud of our best sportsmen... but before them should come our contributions to literature such as Saramago, Pessoa, Eça de Queirós, etc.
Brazilian's seem to have somewhat woken up in the last few years and protest against their politicians and try to change the image of their country worldwide that is pretty much Samba, Football, Carnaval, and big asses. Sadly for them, their most famous Brazilian author is Paulo Coelho, but hey I'm not Brazilian, so I don't care. Gotta look after your own yard, not your neighbour's.
Citação de: Festivus em 26 de Março de 2015, 00:26
Citação de: LMFPC em 26 de Março de 2015, 00:21
For me, Turkey is the main problem in that region.
And I strongly suspect that ISIS has direct help from Erdogan and his buddies.
Saudi Arabia is another big cancer that breeds extremism in the Middle East. And ofc, American foreign policy wits its support of Israel doesn't help at all either.
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Março de 2015, 00:18
The same far left loons that build mosques in Europe all day to make Sunnis feel 'welcome' in Europe are the same mentally deficient EU enlargement bureaucrats that are willing to start of war with Russia over some Russian speaking Ukrainians having an EU flag flying over their town hall in 5 years time.
The EU is becoming increasingly dangerous due to those dictating policy generally having very low IQs.
We barely have any Muslims here and they don't cause problems. then again our Muslims don't come from Middle Eastern countries.
Countries like England and Sweden have a lot of problems, though. And in Sweden the PC far-leftist lobby is insane.
In ME it's like this. Israel(US backed) vs Iran+Syria(Russia)vs Turkey(NATO)+Qatar vs Saudi Arabia(US)+UAE
I agree with your post entirely Festivus. I'm just going to highlight this tiny little bit:
Citação de: Festivus em 26 de Março de 2015, 01:54Now I dare you to go up to someone and try to convince them Portugal is a paradise and they wont' believe you. They'll be like "Where's that?" or "What, the poorest country in western europe?".
It's either that or, continuing the joke for Faliro the other day, "That's in Spain, right?". I've lost count the number of times I had to explain that no, we're not Spanish and no, we don't want to be Spanish and will never be. The Spaniards are our brothers, but as we usually say:
"De Espanha nem bons ventos, nem bons casamentos" (From Spain no good winds, nor good weddings)
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Março de 2015, 00:42
I live in London. Down my road you see muslim women - head to toe in black robes - taking their kids to school, shopping etc. They speak no English. There are 10,000's of them in my area. All are on benefits and all don't work. They are breeders. Their kids go to muslim only schools funded by the UK taxpayer. Their council tax bills are in arabic so they can read them better. Most have 3-4 children. Even their kids speak extremely little English. There are similar situations all over Europe.
Some countries are worse than others. However I truly believe that the most dangerous people in Europe are those who believe Islam is simply another culture that is compatible with the west and our laws and human rights.
The hospital where I was born is one of the biggest in the country. It is in central London. Here is the sign for the accident and emergency section... there are others with the same theme all over the place..
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GYqsS7ZGhBs/T6RB02X0yJI/AAAAAAAAEa0/Cb4k88Zrwrg/s1600/IMAG0238.jpg)
Saudi money O0
Do they speak arabic in India and Pakistan?
Citação de: H em 26 de Março de 2015, 02:05
I agree with your post entirely Festivus. I'm just going to highlight this tiny little bit:
Citação de: Festivus em 26 de Março de 2015, 01:54Now I dare you to go up to someone and try to convince them Portugal is a paradise and they wont' believe you. They'll be like "Where's that?" or "What, the poorest country in western europe?".
It's either that or, continuing the joke for Faliro the other day, "That's in Spain, right?". I've lost count the number of times I had to explain that no, we're not Spanish and no, we don't want to be Spanish and will never be. The Spaniards are our brothers, but as we usually say:
"De Espanha nem bons ventos, nem bons casamentos" (From Spain no good winds, nor good weddings)
I've actually never had someone say that to me.
Probably because you never met any inbred rednecks.
Citação de: H em 26 de Março de 2015, 02:08
Probably because you never met any inbred rednecks.
Indeed I have not.
Did you walk through trailer parks in Alabama or something?
800 years battling the Spanish to get out of our country, and there are still people thinking we are part of Spain
No man, these are the vicissitudes of having visited many countries in the Caribbean, which is dangerously close to the US of A.
Citação de: josantiago em 26 de Março de 2015, 02:12
800 years battling the Spanish to get out of our country, and there are still people thinking we are part of Spain
Many peopel also think Republic of Ireland is part of the UK or even Great Britain. Also many people confuse the Scandinavian countries and think the Finns are considered Scandinavian and speak a similar language to the other countries in the area.
And you'd be surprised how many people think Minsk is in Russia.
Citação de: josantiago em 26 de Março de 2015, 02:12
800 years battling the Spanish to get out of our country, and there are still people thinking we are part of Spain
I don't want to start it again, but we actually are part of Spain( Spain = Iberian península)
USA is a funny country. I've heard that Europe is a country and its capital is Paris.
But then again, what can you expect from a country where 4 out of 10 people believe in Creationism? They still teach it in schools in at least 14 states I think, hahaha!
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 26 de Março de 2015, 02:16
Citação de: josantiago em 26 de Março de 2015, 02:12
800 years battling the Spanish to get out of our country, and there are still people thinking we are part of Spain
I don't want to start it again, but we actually are part of Spain( Spain = Iberian península)
The peninsula is no longer called Hispania. And after Castille took over the other regions in the peninsula they renamed the country Spain in hope of eventually taking Portugal over in the near future. Didn't work, so basically the name "Hispania" ended up getting hijacked.
We're Iberian.
Citação de: Festivus em 26 de Março de 2015, 02:19The peninsula is no longer called Hispania. And after Castille took over the other regions in the peninsula they renamed the country Spain in hope of eventually taking Portugal over in the near future. Didn't work, so basically the name "Hispania" ended up getting hijacked.
We're Iberian.
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/60/6007bb926479e3cb7e3a1b36229bc797158bb0da0ec1bfe8fdc4e19b13118b67.jpg)
Take that, you Spaniards!
Talking about muslims in UK i think UK( and France btw) is paying for the mess they did in ME during and after WWI.
If you look, 90% of the muslims there are from south east Asia where they don't speak arabic, yet you have those things in in rabic, you can clearly see who is behind of all that.
And they allow a IS suporter(Anjem Choudary) to their tv shows, that's crazy when you know they government is conservative.
PS: Saudi Arabia is bombing Yemem right now.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 26 de Março de 2015, 02:22
Talking about muslims in UK i think UK( and France btw) is paying for the mess they did in ME during and after WWI.
If you look, 90% of the muslims there are from south east Asia where they don't speak arabic, yet you have those things in in rabic, you can clearly see who is behind of all that.
And they allow a IS suporter(Anjem Choudary) to their tv shows, that's crazy when you know they government is conservative.
PS: Saudi Arabia is bombing Yemem right now.
The Treaty of Versailles was a joke and because of it another worldwide war blew up 2 decades later. Also Germany got all the blame for it since France was still bitter about the Franco-Prussia war and wanted Alsace and Lorane back.
Who knows what would have been different nowadays if the Ottoman Empire was still around. The ME would be better off but there'd have been a big conflict in the Balkans sooner or later.
Balkans... Catholics, Orthodoxes, Muslims (especially if all in the same country)... Add a bit of Gypsies here and there and an Imperialist Turkey and there you go, perfect recipe for a giant mess!
Citação de: Festivus em 26 de Março de 2015, 02:27
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 26 de Março de 2015, 02:22
Talking about muslims in UK i think UK( and France btw) is paying for the mess they did in ME during and after WWI.
If you look, 90% of the muslims there are from south east Asia where they don't speak arabic, yet you have those things in in rabic, you can clearly see who is behind of all that.
And they allow a IS suporter(Anjem Choudary) to their tv shows, that's crazy when you know they government is conservative.
PS: Saudi Arabia is bombing Yemem right now.
The Treaty of Versailles was a joke and because of it another worldwide war blew up 2 decades later. Also Germany got all the blame for it since France was still bitter about the Franco-Prussia war and wanted Alsace and Lorane back.
Who knows what would have been different nowadays if the Ottoman Empire was still around. The ME would be better off but there'd have been a big conflict in the Balkans sooner or later.
You had greek turkish war.
I'm not talking about what they did to Germany but what they did with otoman empire in ME.
The mulstiple promises they made to many parts, the way they divide it betwen the Hussein bin Ali sons, the promise they made to jews and other arabs tribe.
In resume the Versailles Treaty was completely shame.
EDIT: I have to add the suport and agreements with the house of Saud, all in the same time.
Citação de: H em 26 de Março de 2015, 02:19
USA is a funny country. I've heard that Europe is a country and its capital is Paris.
But then again, what can you expect from a country where 4 out of 10 people believe in Creationism? They still teach it in schools in at least 14 states I think, hahaha!
A Country of morrons.
Citação de: H em 26 de Março de 2015, 02:19
USA is a funny country. I've heard that Europe is a country and its capital is Paris.
But then again, what can you expect from a country where 4 out of 10 people believe in Creationism? They still teach it in schools in at least 14 states I think, hahaha!
The Bible Belt could almost be a different country.
First time I heard the expression "Bible Belt". Thanks for cultivating me.
Citação de: H em 26 de Março de 2015, 02:56
First time I heard the expression "Bible Belt". Thanks for cultivating me.
I bet all of said states where creationism is taught at schools are in the Bible Belt. Or at least most of them.
That wouldn't be surprising in the slightest.
Now hand me that moonshine jug and some of that roadkilled raccoon, Billy Bob II.
Firstly may I congratulate Festivus on his long post last page. Super post and I agree with virtually all of it.
Concerning country's global images, I can't fault what he stated. Clearly some countries have built a better global identity than others.. and I believe this process is an ongoing one and begun 100s of years before we were born.
My father was an antique dealer and there was a time where he collected quite a few Piranesi prints. Piranesi was a very interesting artist who did much to sell the idea of beautiful and romantic crumbling Italian ruins. Many people's idea of Italy before the age of TV and newspapers came from Piranesi's urban landscapes. Here is an example:
(http://www.darsenarte.com/img/stampe7/Piranesi/Piranesi%20003.jpg)
What I find fascinating is even then, Germans and English were saying the purest and cleanest idea of classicism is of Greek, not Roman origin. Instead of just getting on his with his life, Piranesi was so offended anyone would suggest something Greek is superior to anything Roman, that he wrote illustrated books explaining why everything Roman was better than anything Greek. From column capitals to temples - he was obsessed. Now what is interesting is that every country needs a Piranesi - people who go out of their way - rightly or wrongly, to intellectualise why their country has some sort of global value. Italy has had many such characters and that is one of the reasons Italy is such a spectacular global brand. Countries like Greece and Portugal have failed to large extent in this arena. Spain on the other hand has succeeded. I say Spain, you don't need to leave Cataluyna to find a culture of people who obsess about what makes them different, why they eat what they do and how you can benefit by loving their small nation.
In Europe, many are obsessed with culture, part of my degree at university was in the 'culture industry.' As a result, you get many leftists who simply go the other way... ''There is no difference between people.. we all eat sleep and need to work..'' Strange.. even animals of the same species vary in their habits, but a guy from Bangladesh is suddenly no different to a Swede because that helps some guilt ridden middle class intellectual sleep better at night believing that?
Festivus commented on how I would probably see myself as Greek..My own story is a microcosm of this lunacy that we have covered. From the age of 0 to 9 I believed I was 100% English. This was until English would tell me I am not English. Even though I am pale, my hair is jet black.. something was clearly wrong... So after the 10th time of someone asking me where I was from and not being contented with my answer, 'I am English.' - I famously asked my idiot mother.. She said.. 'you are English.' I said, 'than why do English say I am not English?' My mother's response..'Well I actually see you as Greek, if my father was still alive, he would have raised you as a Greek..' So I am like... 'I am Greek... :disgust:' My mother says 'yes... but also Austrian, my mother was from Vienna..' :crazy2: I am like... fuck this shit.. I ask my Dad where I am from. One word answer.. 'British.' I say really? He says 'look at your passport.. British.' That same year I ask my mother where my second name comes from... She says..'it is from Barcelona.. your father's family were originally from there but he doesn't like to talk about it.. he also has an English mother.' So basically I am the result of my parent's inability to understand or deal with their own backgrounds.
Now there are probably quite a few like me - especially in London where Europeans mixed... however Islam is a different kettle of fish as we say.. These guys play for big stakes when it comes to cultural identity.
Well I guess I shouldn't have assumed that you identified yourself solely as Greek. I take back what I said.
Took you that long to find out you were Greek? When did you become an Olympiakos fan? And do you or did you ever support any EPL side? Now that I think about it, I've never seen you talk about the EPL before. Only mentioning that you grew up watching La Liga and that you disliked Serie A.
I started following Olympiacos about 8 years ago - as a fan. Before that I was always curious to watch teams like AEK and PAO in Europe if could. Even these days if a Greek side is playing in Europe and I can watch it, I do - simply for the entertainment value.
The club I have been supporting since a boy was always Barcelona, even before I knew I have ancestry from there. I was simply seduced by the football they played. To this day I love watching them play however dont have the time to watch the smaller games, so only watch the clasico and their CL games. I have been lucky enough to attend Barcelona playing at home in La Liga at the Camp Nou and watch them in an away CL game at Anfield. I have also attended Olympiacos games, home and away in in the CL and some friendlies.
Despite growing up and basically being a Londoner, I have always absolutely despised English football. I find it exceptionally agricultural. It always reminds me of the type of football the apes would attempt to play in Planet of the Apes, if they had their own league. Aggressive and anarchic. Despite this, my old boss used to give me his season ticket, so I went to around 10 games home and away for chelsea. I have also been to Fulham and Brentford games and a couple of internationals.
Two years ago I went to Cruzeiro vs Atletico in Belo Horizonte - played in Estádio Independência as the Mineirao was being refurbished at the time and Cruzeiro had to play all their games at Horto.
PS - I knock English football, however as you stated, I also find Serie A close to unwatchable. Any games involving teams like Genoa simply does not resemble football to me..
Aren't you like 30, though? You only became a fan of your team as an adult? Interesting and quite uncommon. And here I thought a person's football team was chosen when they're a little kid. I mean you said you supported Barcelona back then, but you like Olympiacos more, don't you? You'd support them over Barcelona, I'm guessing?
Citação de: Festivus em 26 de Março de 2015, 21:38
Aren't you like 30, though? You only became a fan of your team as an adult? Interesting and quite uncommon. And here I thought a person's football team was chosen when they're a little kid. I mean you said you supported Barcelona back then, but you like Olympiacos more, don't you? You'd support them over Barcelona, I'm guessing?
I am approaching my mid 30s now..
It is complicated indeed because of mixed allegiances. Indeed it is very rare to start supporting a club so late. I was probably in my early 20s when I started paying to go to Olympiakos games (which to me is the point you know you like a club). And it truly pissed of all my cousins in Greece who are diehard AEK. One of them had bought me a Tsiartas AEK away top when I was 16. When he saw me going one day going to the Karaiskaki, he never trusted me again or spoke to me much again. ;D But again, I was curious about Greek fan culture and I lived near the Greek area of London.. so it made sense.
Also I always like the underdog. Olympiakos may be the opposite to an underdog in Greece, but in Europe they are massive underdogs, so every goal they scored was always more of a celebration for me. Watching Greece win Euro 2004 or Olympiakos beating Werder Bremen 1-3 are probably the times I have screamed the loudest in my life.. :2funny:
Every time Barcelona score I feel happy, really really good. I really like Barcelona - the whole place. If Olympiakos were to play Barcelona I think I would support Olympiakos.. I would like to see Olymiakos achieve something in Europe before I die.. ;D ;D ;D
You share my tastes Faliro.
Barça. La Liga. Not caring about English football, which like you, I found it very poor. And now, you make me kinda support Olympiakos. And I think the same with Benfica for you, no?
^^ Oh yea, I really like Benfica now. I like the whole energy around the club, the fans obviously and that is all because of this place. Picking a club to support is a very personal thing and I have been around 100s of supporters and clubs and I never was even tempted to support their clubs..
I feel like I am so much wiser for having been allowed to post here and learn from you guys.
I also hope that I have increased your knowledge of the strange and beautiful Greece. O0
You've mentioned that we were the most globally educated fans of any sports team you had ever met . Have you ever joined other teams forums. If so, who'd you say were the least globally educated sports fans you've met?
Citação de: Festivus em 27 de Março de 2015, 00:14
You've mentioned that we were the most globally educated fans of any sports team you had ever met . Have you ever joined other teams forums. If so, who'd you say were the least globally educated sports fans you've met?
Yes, that is what I stated and I meant it. Easily the best educated football fans concerning the global game are Benfica fans. Will never get over that - going on a Benfica forum and meeting people who know more about Greek football than I do... :smokin: Knowledge of Serbian football, Italian football, South American football etc.. simply a ridiculous encyclopedic knowledge of football.
I have joined a few forums in my life and met many fans. The least educated about the actual game of football? Man United, Real Madrid and Man City fans (Man City even before they were bought out by rich arabs). They see very little outside their own clubs. The first time they hear about most famous players is when they are linked to them in transfer rumours.
I really like Madrid when I visited, however they - along with most castellanos in general - just seem to nothing in general - about anything.
Some of the nastiest fans I have dealt with are Tottenham fans, West Ham and Roma fans.
The biggest natural hooligans - PAOK.. no competition. Victim clubs - ie where the fans live in a world of complaining 24/7 - Arsenal, Fulham and PAO.
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Março de 2015, 00:29
Citação de: Festivus em 27 de Março de 2015, 00:14
You've mentioned that we were the most globally educated fans of any sports team you had ever met . Have you ever joined other teams forums. If so, who'd you say were the least globally educated sports fans you've met?
Yes, that is what I stated and I meant it. Easily the best educated football fans concerning the global game are Benfica fans. Will never get over that - going on a Benfica forum and meeting people who know more about Greek football than I do... :smokin:
I have joined a few forums in my life and met many fans. The least educated about the actual game of football? Man United, Real Madrid and Man City fans. They see very little outside their own clubs. The first time they hear about most famous players is when they are linked to them in transfer rumours.
I really like Madrid when I visited, however they - along with most castellanos in general - just seem to nothing in general - about anything.
Some of the nastiest fans I have dealt with are Tottenham fans, West Ham and Roma fans.
The biggest natural hooligans - PAOK.. no competition. Victim clubs - ie where the fans live in a world of complaining 24/7 - Arsenal, Fulham and PAO.
Haven't met big samples of foreign fans, but from my experience Chelsea fans were arrogant assholes and were mostly American. Not to mention they didn't know anything about football pre-2006... unsurprising. Also, I disliked their disrespect for Benfica. Okay, I don't blame them for being confident in a win against us because they have better teams and way bigger transfer budgets but they spoke about us as if we were a tiny club with no relevance whatsoever. They were extremely ignorant and arrogant. Maybe I've just met the wrong ones...
Citação de: Festivus em 27 de Março de 2015, 00:48
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Março de 2015, 00:29
Citação de: Festivus em 27 de Março de 2015, 00:14
You've mentioned that we were the most globally educated fans of any sports team you had ever met . Have you ever joined other teams forums. If so, who'd you say were the least globally educated sports fans you've met?
Yes, that is what I stated and I meant it. Easily the best educated football fans concerning the global game are Benfica fans. Will never get over that - going on a Benfica forum and meeting people who know more about Greek football than I do... :smokin:
I have joined a few forums in my life and met many fans. The least educated about the actual game of football? Man United, Real Madrid and Man City fans. They see very little outside their own clubs. The first time they hear about most famous players is when they are linked to them in transfer rumours.
I really like Madrid when I visited, however they - along with most castellanos in general - just seem to nothing in general - about anything.
Some of the nastiest fans I have dealt with are Tottenham fans, West Ham and Roma fans.
The biggest natural hooligans - PAOK.. no competition. Victim clubs - ie where the fans live in a world of complaining 24/7 - Arsenal, Fulham and PAO.
Haven't met big samples of foreign fans, but from my experience Chelsea fans were arrogant assholes and were mostly American. Not to mention they didn't know anything about football pre-2006... unsurprising. Also, I disliked their disrespect for Benfica. Okay, I don't blame them for being confident in a win against us because they have better teams and way bigger transfer budgets but they spoke about us as if we were a tiny club with no relevance whatsoever. They were extremely ignorant and arrogant. Maybe I've just met the wrong ones...
The worst fans of Chelsea are the away fans. They are the ones that have been banned from home games because of violence/hooliganism. I remember watching a game with them at Everton - some of the abuse - in front of children they brought with them!! was insane. There are some truly tragic Chelsea fans. Strangely this has become the norm for Chelsea. Before abramovich there were far more genuine fans at the club, but most were priced out as the club developed into a major business. That left only the hooligans and soulless glory hunters lot at the games. However i went to games before Abramovich and I still found the club unattractive in general.
As for their disrespect for Benfica, they disrespect all clubs. The most popular chant I remember when I used to go to games was.. 'we are the famous CFC..and we don't give a fuck..whoever you may be!'
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Março de 2015, 00:55
Citação de: Festivus em 27 de Março de 2015, 00:48
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Março de 2015, 00:29
Citação de: Festivus em 27 de Março de 2015, 00:14
You've mentioned that we were the most globally educated fans of any sports team you had ever met . Have you ever joined other teams forums. If so, who'd you say were the least globally educated sports fans you've met?
Yes, that is what I stated and I meant it. Easily the best educated football fans concerning the global game are Benfica fans. Will never get over that - going on a Benfica forum and meeting people who know more about Greek football than I do... :smokin:
I have joined a few forums in my life and met many fans. The least educated about the actual game of football? Man United, Real Madrid and Man City fans. They see very little outside their own clubs. The first time they hear about most famous players is when they are linked to them in transfer rumours.
I really like Madrid when I visited, however they - along with most castellanos in general - just seem to nothing in general - about anything.
Some of the nastiest fans I have dealt with are Tottenham fans, West Ham and Roma fans.
The biggest natural hooligans - PAOK.. no competition. Victim clubs - ie where the fans live in a world of complaining 24/7 - Arsenal, Fulham and PAO.
Haven't met big samples of foreign fans, but from my experience Chelsea fans were arrogant assholes and were mostly American. Not to mention they didn't know anything about football pre-2006... unsurprising. Also, I disliked their disrespect for Benfica. Okay, I don't blame them for being confident in a win against us because they have better teams and way bigger transfer budgets but they spoke about us as if we were a tiny club with no relevance whatsoever. They were extremely ignorant and arrogant. Maybe I've just met the wrong ones...
The worst fans of Chelsea are the away fans. They are the ones that have been banned from home games because of violence/hooliganism. I remember watching a game with them at Everton - some of the abuse - in front of children they brought with them!! was insane. There are some truly tragic Chelsea fans. Strangely this has become the norm for Chelsea. Before abramovich there were far more genuine fans at the club, but most were priced out as the club developed into a major business. That left only the hooligans and soulless glory hunters lot at the games. However i went to games before Abramovich and I still found the club unattractive in general.
As for their disrespect for Benfica, they disrespect all clubs. The most popular chant I remember when I used to go to games was.. 'we are the famous CFC..and we don't give a fuck..whoever you may be!'
They sound like Turkish fans. Those even spam their opponents' facebook pages with insults. Fenerbahçe's fans were huge cunts here in 2013 and even their press disrespected us. Turkish hooligans make English ones look like school children. Leeds United hooligans know that damn well from their visit to Instanbul many years ago.
As for English teams fans in general, from my experience:
Man Utd: Arrogant and feel entitled to win all the time. Also think they're gonna win everything every damn season.
Arsenal: Boring as shit. A bunch of conformists.
Liverpool: Passionate but a bit too emotive and irrational at times.
Everton: Chill and passionate for the most part. No negative experiences thus far.
Spurs: A huge inferiority complex with Arsenal and also many Americans support them just to feel hipsterish and cool. How corny.
Man City: Either teenage americans who just started watching football or English men in their 20s-30s who've been fans since forever and are impatiently waiting for their club to win the CL. They keep complaining about their draws and refs in Europe and also excusing their ranking for poor european performances.
Agree completely about the Turkish fans. Leeds and indeed the UK hooligan fraternity learnt that the hard way. Gala are the worst. PAOK went to play Fener and beat up pretty much everyone they came across, even stopping their own coaches in the middle of Istanbul to beat up random turks.. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JCker4-O7M
I think Turks in general, as far as football education goes, make Man U fans look like MENSA United in comparison. Their media as you stated is hostile however Besiktas and Fener fans are not hard to dominate. Gala are the real spicy pigs..
In general, many fans emulate the worst aspects of their society in general. You really get the feeling of the failed British Empire when you meet Chelsea fans.. Animalistic Turks with knives reminds us of the Ottomans marching through Europe.
Again agree with all your summations of the English clubs, especially Liverpool and Man City. Special mention to Rangers and Lazio who I just remembered.. who are a bunch of nasty pricks also.
As far as Spurs go, they have a constant rotation of new fans... An American or Korean exchange student will tell everyone they like/support Spurs...than they actually go to a game... than they don't talk about Spurs again... Also Spurs has a ridiculous jewish culture. I have met many London jews who support Spurs simply because they hope that the club represents them.. again, they have never been to an actual game.. :crazy2:
;D
Turkish fans look like girls when facing PAOK fans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDCAFiEeyAs
Alguém que diga ao Faliro pra me tirar na lista negra.
Ele meteu-te na ignore list?
Parece que sim, culpa do VP.
Faliro take Tino off your ignore list for a moment. He wants you to check out a video he posted.
Turkey is a wonderful place :smitten:
T1n0_SLB,Fenerbahce fans look like girls. If Paok fans did the same with Galatasaray fans they would be the ones looking like girls
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 27 de Março de 2015, 02:31
Turkey is a wonderful place :smitten:
T1n0_SLB,Fenerbahce fans look like girls. If Paok fans did the same with Galatasaray fans they would be the ones looking like girls
Against Galatasaray fans would have been even worst. Only Besiktas fans can match them, but they are friends.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 27 de Março de 2015, 02:32
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 27 de Março de 2015, 02:31
Turkey is a wonderful place :smitten:
T1n0_SLB,Fenerbahce fans look like girls. If Paok fans did the same with Galatasaray fans they would be the ones looking like girls
Against Galatasaray fans would have been even worst. Only Besiktas fans can match them, but they are friends.
Nah,Galatasaray fans are the most dangerous in Turkey,specially UltrAslan
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Março de 2015, 21:57
Citação de: Festivus em 26 de Março de 2015, 21:38
Aren't you like 30, though? You only became a fan of your team as an adult? Interesting and quite uncommon. And here I thought a person's football team was chosen when they're a little kid. I mean you said you supported Barcelona back then, but you like Olympiacos more, don't you? You'd support them over Barcelona, I'm guessing?
I am approaching my mid 30s now..
It is complicated indeed because of mixed allegiances. Indeed it is very rare to start supporting a club so late. I was probably in my early 20s when I started paying to go to Olympiakos games (which to me is the point you know you like a club). And it truly pissed of all my cousins in Greece who are diehard AEK. One of them had bought me a Tsiartas AEK away top when I was 16. When he saw me going one day going to the Karaiskaki, he never trusted me again or spoke to me much again. ;D But again, I was curious about Greek fan culture and I lived near the Greek area of London.. so it made sense.
Also I always like the underdog. Olympiakos may be the opposite to an underdog in Greece, but in Europe they are massive underdogs, so every goal they scored was always more of a celebration for me. Watching Greece win Euro 2004 or Olympiakos beating Werder Bremen 1-3 are probably the times I have screamed the loudest in my life.. :2funny:
Every time Barcelona score I feel happy, really really good. I really like Barcelona - the whole place. If Olympiakos were to play Barcelona I think I would support Olympiakos.. I would like to see Olymiakos achieve something in Europe before I die.. ;D ;D ;D
I have a greek-english friend who was born and have lived in England until his 24 and he does not care for english football. He suport PAOK and he's a big fan of our Rubem Amorim
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Março de 2015, 01:22
Agree completely about the Turkish fans. Leeds and indeed the UK hooligan fraternity learnt that the hard way. Gala are the worst. PAOK went to play Fener and beat up pretty much everyone they came across, even stopping their own coaches in the middle of Istanbul to beat up random turks.. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JCker4-O7M
I think Turks in general, as far as football education goes, make Man U fans look like MENSA United in comparison. Their media as you stated is hostile however Besiktas and Fener fans are not hard to dominate. Gala are the real spicy pigs..
In general, many fans emulate the worst aspects of their society in general. You really get the feeling of the failed British Empire when you meet Chelsea fans.. Animalistic Turks with knives reminds us of the Ottomans marching through Europe.
Again agree with all your summations of the English clubs, especially Liverpool and Man City. Special mention to Rangers and Lazio who I just remembered.. who are a bunch of nasty pricks also.
As far as Spurs go, they have a constant rotation of new fans... An American or Korean exchange student will tell everyone they like/support Spurs...than they actually go to a game... than they don't talk about Spurs again... Also Spurs has a ridiculous jewish culture. I have met many London jews who support Spurs simply because they hope that the club represents them.. again, they have never been to an actual game.. :crazy2:
Real Madrid and Barcelona fans are both dicks as well somewhat. Real Madrid fans are spoiled brats who think no player or coach is worthy of bearing their jersey. Barcelona fans question everything when things go wrong and also play the victim card even when they happen to be the instigator. No wonder games between both always have shameless displays of poor sportsmanship.
Government just announced AEK has full permissions to build at Nea Filadelfeia - all that needs sorting is the environment problems.
This means the 17 residents blocking the project and the Mayor of the area issues have been overruled.
Awesome, AEK needs a new stadium for yesterday.
:rir:
Some how, I think there is a lot more to come on this story... :smokin:
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Março de 2015, 01:14
Government just announced AEK has full permissions to build at Nea Filadelfeia - all that needs sorting is the environment problems.
This means the 17 residents blocking the project and the Mayor of the area issues have been overruled.
Witch means planting about one thousand trees somewhere else, right?
Feel sorry for a city like Athens having come in such a bad state...A city witch was once a great religious place is slowly getting destroyed by the same people who once helped build it, such a shame...
It is the way of the world.. In most cultures, those who destroy their famous temples are the descendants of the ones who erected them in the first place. Athens has been successfully butchered quite a few times.
Concerning PAOK, Savvidis plans to redevelop the Toumba and now he has his dream of most the PAO debt wiped by the Government, it is more likely than ever. The pitch will be lowered and the capacity increased to 35,000. There will be a new armoured shell to the stadium. New suites and the usual Greek luxury BS... total cost, €40 million.
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Paok/article3382289.ece/BINARY/w620/tria.jpg)
(http://www.paokfc.gr/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/stadio_toumbas.jpg)
That'd be a pretty sexy looking stadium.
Greece gearing up for a do or die against Hungary tomorrow. Must win game, new coach... same old shitty players.. lets see what happens..
Markarian press conference. (edit, just remembered this guy speaks Greek so most the interview is in Greek, I put some of the quotes below. The first 30 seconds he speaks in English and gives good words.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1gaiF9K8SM
''My plan for The Game Is to Stay focussed in The defensive end of The Field and TRY to Create as many Chances to score as possible. We know what we have to do tomorrow. If we fail to qualify to Euro 2016 in France, that would be a huge setback for Greece ", were Markarian's words.
Personal feeling is that if they play Kyriakos Papadopoulos in the centre or '6' it could be a good game.
And tomorrow Portugal square-off against Serbia at Luz.
With the Serbia vs Albania result beign a loss for both, Portugal almost secured a spot on Euro2016... even with that shameful loss at home against Albania.
Citação de: LMFPC em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:03
With the Serbia vs Albania result beign a loss for both, Portugal almost secured a spot on Euro2016... even with that shameful loss at home against Albania.
Portugal are usually lucky in the qualifying rounds. People have been wondering since the Euro 2008 qualifiers when we'll finally miss a big competition again.
Citação de: Festivus em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:04
Citação de: LMFPC em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:03
With the Serbia vs Albania result beign a loss for both, Portugal almost secured a spot on Euro2016... even with that shameful loss at home against Albania.
Portugal are usually lucky in the qualifying rounds. People have been wondering since the Euro 2008 qualifiers when we'll finally miss a big competition again.
We need to renovate the team, put some "fresh blood" in the mix, or maybe in 2022 we will not go to Qatar (the 24 team Euro's give us some margin to don't miss any).
Citação de: LMFPC em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:07
Citação de: Festivus em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:04
Citação de: LMFPC em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:03
With the Serbia vs Albania result beign a loss for both, Portugal almost secured a spot on Euro2016... even with that shameful loss at home against Albania.
Portugal are usually lucky in the qualifying rounds. People have been wondering since the Euro 2008 qualifiers when we'll finally miss a big competition again.
We need to renovate the team, put some "fresh blood" in the mix, or maybe in 2022 we will not go to Qatar (the 24 team Euro's give us some margin to don't miss any).
Just tell Mendes to fuck off and many things will improve.
Citação de: LMFPC em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:03
With the Serbia vs Albania result beign a loss for both, Portugal almost secured a spot on Euro2016... even with that shameful loss at home against Albania.
Nov 2014..
Greece 0
Faroe Islands 1
That is shame..
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/14/1416001519472_wps_1_Faroe_Islands_Joan_Edmund.jpg)
Citação de: Festivus em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:04
Citação de: LMFPC em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:03
With the Serbia vs Albania result beign a loss for both, Portugal almost secured a spot on Euro2016... even with that shameful loss at home against Albania.
Portugal are usually lucky in the qualifying rounds. People have been wondering since the Euro 2008 qualifiers when we'll finally miss a big competition again.
An important part of football.. but I think Portugal has quite a bit of quality.
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:18
Citação de: Festivus em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:04
Citação de: LMFPC em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:03
With the Serbia vs Albania result beign a loss for both, Portugal almost secured a spot on Euro2016... even with that shameful loss at home against Albania.
Portugal are usually lucky in the qualifying rounds. People have been wondering since the Euro 2008 qualifiers when we'll finally miss a big competition again.
An important part of football.. but I think Portugal has quite a bit of quality.
True, true. Portugal have clearly reached a new level since the mid-90s. The only failure was not qualifying for the 98 WC. Not to mention it's a lot easier to qualify for major tournaments these days. You have to be really shitty to not be able to qualify for a 24-team Euro.
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:17
Citação de: LMFPC em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:03
With the Serbia vs Albania result beign a loss for both, Portugal almost secured a spot on Euro2016... even with that shameful loss at home against Albania.
Nov 2014..
Greece 0
Faroe Islands 1
That is shame..
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/14/1416001519472_wps_1_Faroe_Islands_Joan_Edmund.jpg)
That is the top level of shame.
Citação de: Festivus em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:20
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:18
Citação de: Festivus em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:04
Citação de: LMFPC em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:03
With the Serbia vs Albania result beign a loss for both, Portugal almost secured a spot on Euro2016... even with that shameful loss at home against Albania.
Portugal are usually lucky in the qualifying rounds. People have been wondering since the Euro 2008 qualifiers when we'll finally miss a big competition again.
An important part of football.. but I think Portugal has quite a bit of quality.
True, true. Portugal have clearly reached a new level since the mid-90s. The only failure was not qualifying for the 98 WC. Not to mention it's a lot easier to qualify for major tournaments these days. You have to be really shitty to not be able to qualify for a 24-team Euro.
And we failed WC 98 because of Marc Batta. Not because of us being poor.
Citação de: LMFPC em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:21
Citação de: Festivus em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:20
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:18
Citação de: Festivus em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:04
Citação de: LMFPC em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:03
With the Serbia vs Albania result beign a loss for both, Portugal almost secured a spot on Euro2016... even with that shameful loss at home against Albania.
Portugal are usually lucky in the qualifying rounds. People have been wondering since the Euro 2008 qualifiers when we'll finally miss a big competition again.
An important part of football.. but I think Portugal has quite a bit of quality.
True, true. Portugal have clearly reached a new level since the mid-90s. The only failure was not qualifying for the 98 WC. Not to mention it's a lot easier to qualify for major tournaments these days. You have to be really shitty to not be able to qualify for a 24-team Euro.
And we failed WC 98 because of Marc Batta. Not because of us being poor.
Ye although fucking up in an away game at Ukraine didn't help either.
Citação de: LMFPC em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:20
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:17
Citação de: LMFPC em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:03
With the Serbia vs Albania result beign a loss for both, Portugal almost secured a spot on Euro2016... even with that shameful loss at home against Albania.
Nov 2014..
Greece 0
Faroe Islands 1
That is shame..
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/14/1416001519472_wps_1_Faroe_Islands_Joan_Edmund.jpg)
That is the top level of shame.
It is. Even the Guardian wrote an article on the game.. said it was the biggest shock in the history of football. :2funny: For me, it was totally expected.
We are not lucky,we're just lazy. We always leave it to be decided in the last matches and play-off but we always deliver when it really matters
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 28 de Março de 2015, 23:26
We are not lucky,we're just lazy. We always leave it to be decided in the last matches and play-off but we always deliver when it really matters
Faliro, this here is the true (
VP: "DA TRU") Portuguese spirit, if you were ever curious about that. This is probably the reason also why we don't have that international exposition, fame and status we all were discussing a few pages ago. ^-^
I can see Portugal and Greece are very similar on certain things and this is one of them..
It is a story as old as time..
(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/d/da/Frappe.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070317131238)
lol wat?!
Does the helmet have an oculus rift? ;D
It does.. these guys were really advanced for their time.. :2funny:
Just like ancient Egyptians were aliens.
The drink in his hand. :2funny:
A shame that it is photoshoped. :(
That is no 'drink'.. that is a Frappe© :2funny:
So line up announced. For the first time in 3 years, Greece has 1 blue chip player in the 11...
.............................Karnezis..............................
Torosidis.........Manolis...........Sokratis..............Stafilidis
.................K.Papadoupous.,,..Samaris................
Fetfatzidis....................Kone................Chistodolopolopolopoulos...
............................Athanasiadis.....................................
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkLJQu-fHw8
Looks good.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Cafe-frape-glas-holztisch-unscharf.jpg)
Samaras looks like a hobo... and I'm a bearded heavy metal fan.
Hobos can be trained to play football.. Samaras can't. He is a terrible footballer.
Fascinating game 0-0 FT. Greece out.
Now, as you may have in Portugal, many journalists give players 5/10 to say they were poor. For me 5/10 = average. So honest marks from the game today..
Karnezis 5/10. Not inspiring, not too bad.
Manolas 5/10.
Skoratis 5/10.
Stafilidis 6/10. Tried hard very few mistakes, lots of energy.
Torosidis 6/10. Made some opportunities.
K. Papadopoulos 5.5/10.
Samaris 5/10.
Christodolopoulos 1/10. He can't run past a defender, but it didn't stop him trying.
Fetfa 8/10. Total pleasure to watch.
Kone 1/10. Low quality player. Poor control and poor vision. Poor shooting too.
Athanasiadis 0/10. Nothing.
Samaras looks like a Fred Mercury son, using a nasty wig :confused:
Surprising that Faliro give the best number to Fetfa ahah
He was just sensational as usual.. There are so few players in the world that breeze past defenders and put the ball on a plate for a striker consistently. He skinned so many players today and ended up about 3 times in the box - laying the ball off to a striker or shooting. He is so unfortunate he was born Greek. Even if he was Albanian or Slovenian, he would be a household name by now. Greeks despise this player, but he - for me, is the best attacking midfielder in all the Balkan nations combined. He owned the game second half. Flicks, passes, control - he is like Giovinco but far far better.
He needs to go to Spain or better, Benfica :D
I've never watch him play, just some videos on utube. And he does look awesome in those videos. And with your sayings, I think he has the sufficient quality. But it would be good too, if he returned to Olympiakos. With VP, it would be great! We'll see what happens.
Citação de: PsychoFan em 30 de Março de 2015, 00:19
He needs to go to Spain or better, Benfica :D
I've never watch him play, just some videos on utube. And he does look awesome in those videos. And with your sayings, I think he has the sufficient quality. But it would be good too, if he returned to Olympiakos. With VP, it would be great! We'll see what happens.
He is far better than those videos even, his control and ability is sensational. He has partially been destroyed by poor career choices, but he can been salvaged. Genoa are broke and have to offload him. They have not even paid Olympiacos the original fee to buy him. Greeks don't like Greek players who have this kind of ability, we are far more happy if they are Brazilian or Argentinian.
I think Benfica could pick him up very cheaply in the summer if you want him. I think he could be a fan favorite. Very very impressive player. Could probably get him for less than €5,000,000.
I wish I had the number of Vieira.
Benfica would err less in transfers, seriously.
I wish I was a agent...
No Kostzilla, no fun! Also, Athanasiadis sounds like a really bad player, or maybe it's just me and he sounds like Euthanasia...
He is an abortion of a striker H. ^^
He is someone who unsurprisingly finds it easier against a 'Niki Volos' or a 'Platanias' than any international team. He has now played 11 times for the greek NT. 0 goals, 0 assists, 0 good shots.
I dislike AEK, but Aravidis is far better.
Even Kolovos of Panionios is better.
In more crazy news, 3 Greek players Fetfa, Tachtidis and Moras were in a taxi that crashed after the game. Fetfa is still in hospital and received stitches. The driver was killed.
(http://www.sport24.gr/multimedia/video/article3385720.ece/BINARY/w620/image+%281%29.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/multimedia/video/article3385722.ece/BINARY/original/image.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/multimedia/video/article3385721.ece/BINARY/original/image+%282%29.jpg)
Used with google translate:
Sa Pinto in gazzetta.gr: «Everything you need OFI, I'm here!"
(http://wcdn.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/default/public/article/2015-03/1098542.jpg?itok=3BjVCMea)
O Ricardo Sá Pinto in one deep confession in gazzetta.gr. "I was shocked when I heard about the destruction of OFI." How do you evaluate the service of the Cretan group and proposals have to return to Greece.
In October 2013, the former president of OFI, Manthos Poulinakis convince the Ricardo Sá Pinto to take the reins of the Cretan group.
Move if anything proved wise. With the Portuguese technician at the helm the "talker" occupied the sixth place of the standings, while eliminated in the semifinals of the Cup from Panathinaikos bending in overtime.
The perfectionist, hardworking and fond of discipline Ricardo Sá Pinto despite the limited batzet managing managed to create a group model, leaving an excellent impression.
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/sitefiles_2015-03/1057644.jpg)
"Help OFI in the difficult '
Approximately 10 months after the departure of the OFI there in the form we know. The 42 year-old coach obviously disappointed by the latest developments in Cretan club spoke to gazzetta.gr binder with OFI.
"It's very sad what happened to OFI and I could not imagine after the great year we had last year's season.
It's incredible, I was shocked when I was informed. I did not expect to ever happen. I wish the people who love OFI, those around the OFI, his followers to have courage and to remain strong in the future.
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/sitefiles_2015-03/1102216_0.jpg)
It's difficult moments. OFI free world does not exist. I repeat should stand on the side of the team and fight all to return the club sooner there is belonging. It will help the team as much as I asked if my. He has done great damage " are the first words of Ricardo Sá Pinto to continue:
"I love not only OFI, Crete and his followers, but all over Greece. Wherever you find yourself in Greece, all my talk with more courtesy. I have the best feelings in Greece »
The former coach of Atromitos explained how he managed to lead OFI the high layers of the score reveals the secret of his work. "The OFI we had a fantastic season. I got the team at the bottom last and finished in sixth place, while in the Cup arrived in the semifinals where excluded from Panathinaikos in overtime. You almost get to Europe by the procedure delete.
In every match we were totally focused. The group was joined in training and watched each game separately. Step by step we managed to create a great atmosphere. The group was like family. This was our big secret. "
"Falling all over the Poulinaki"
The Sa Pinto stated in his relationship with the former president of OFI, Manthos Poulinaki but also batzet called upon to manage.
" Even I have very good communication with Manthos Poulinaki. In the group we had some disagreements as many times he was alone and falling all over him.
Nevertheless you must admit that he tried to do the best for the team. We need to recognize it all.
But it is a serious man, who could in this situation of OFI provide solutions provided there is a financial investor. Surely this would be a great challenge. "
"By approaching three Greek groups"
The former Sporting Lisbon striker reported in future shots, revealing that already approached the three Greek clubs!
"I have decided not to work until the end of the season. There are proposals from Portugal but also from foreign clubs.
Three teams from Greece already been approached to work. No hurry though. As for OFI in the future, and on appropriate conditions maybe I discussed my return.
As I said I love the team. At this stage I want some guarantees for my next team, who will address the philosophy of the club, the ideas are, the dedication of players to the right conditions to work. "
The Ricardo Sá Pinto as a true gentleman he also sent his greetings to fans of clubs who worked leaving open the possibility to work again outside Portugal.
"I can work again outside Portugal"
"The family is always a priority for me, but I am a professional coach and certainly I could work again outside Portugal. 'You never know' whether to return to Greece. In closing I would like to send my greetings to the people and fans OFI and Atromitos with whom I worked. "
http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/article/722722/sa-pinto-sto-gazzettagr-oti-hreiastei-o-ofi-eimai-edo
Richard Lionheart :metal:
Faliro, I think I'll be going to London tomorrow, are you gonna be there? What do you think of having a few pints in a cheap pub (sorry man, I'm still a student, haha)?
If anyone else here on the Forum currently lives in London and wants to join in, you're very welcome.
Sure man, where you thinking of? I live in Brentford, plenty of cheap pubs down here also..
O0
Sorry mate, I actually didn't go because I was going to pick-up a guitar amp on Bexleyheath, but the guy yesterday actually told me he would send it by mail and since it's only £15 and the amp is quite big and heavy, that will save me a lot of hard work.
In any case we have to and we will chug down some pints in a near Future, I finish Uni work at the 5th of May, so after that will be even easier. :drunk:
I got home at 6am this morning.. my brain is still.. :crazy2:.. it is for the best...
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Homage tonight to Fetfa and Ninis - the two big hopes of Greek football.. terrible career choices, terrible agents.. a true tragedy... Tonight is for you boys - thanks for smiles..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls2QzyuKQBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e11HTEPaaOE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg3ieogjnds
Referees threaten boycotting Benfica vs. Porto.
Try beating that, Greece.
:bow2: :bow2:
But it will be resolved right?
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Abril de 2015, 20:03
:bow2: :bow2:
But it will be resolved right?
Of course it will. It's blackmailing, plain and simple.
Rocket war is coming!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SefoOTyK9s
What is Rocket War?
Rocket war or rouketopolemos (lol) is a very old tradition that takes place on the night Christ rose from the dead. It takes place in a town in Chios. The two rival parts of the town build around 100,000 rockets each and aim them at their rival's church - hoping to hit the bell of the church. There are understandably many injuries and those within the churches at the time always look scared..
(http://lovelace-media.imgix.net/getty/485720075.jpg)
Apparently, they used to use cannon before the Ottoman's outlawed it. Even today it is illegal, but.. no one cares..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouketopolemos
Zeca applying for greek passport so he can play for Greece:
http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/article/727481/ginetai-ellinas-o-zeka
:buck2: :buck2: :buck2:
A portuguese playing for Greece NT... :rir: :rir: :rir: :rir:
Interesting... :confused:
Is Zeca a paper Portuguese? He looks like an unwrapped mummy.
I really don't like this player. We already have wingers on the Greek national team who can't control the ball like Lazaros.
He is 100% portuguese.
He isn't a winger, he is a midfielder.
In Greece historically he plays mostly as a winger- usually on the right - where he usually loses the ball. He also plays central midfield sometimes as an 8.
This last year he has played deeper- the coach trying to make him a distributor. However if you watch games, he is usually pressed up against the flanks near the linesman.
I thought he was from one of the portuguese colonies because to me he doesn't look very portuguese - more north african.
(http://www.maisfutebol.iol.pt/multimedia/oratvi/multimedia/imagem/id/13380389/600.jpg)
He is from one of our former colonies, which was recently admitted as PALOP (countries which have portuguese language as their main spoken language). Maybe you haven't ever heard of it, because it's quite small. It's called Amadora.
Citação de: Schweisen Tiger em 11 de Abril de 2015, 15:17
He is from one of our former colonies, which was recently admitted as PALOP (countries which have portuguese language as their main spoken language). You may have not have ever heard of it, because it's quite small. It's called Amadora.
JJ is from Amadora. :tomates:
Citação de: LMFPC em 11 de Abril de 2015, 15:18
Citação de: Schweisen Tiger em 11 de Abril de 2015, 15:17
He is from one of our former colonies, which was recently admitted as PALOP (countries which have portuguese language as their main spoken language). You may have not have ever heard of it, because it's quite small. It's called Amadora.
JJ is from Amadora. :tomates:
But back then, it was considerd as Portugal. Now it is just one more african country.
Yeah Faliro, he has some african ancestry, for sure.
Citação de: Schweisen Tiger em 11 de Abril de 2015, 15:17
He is from one of our former colonies, which was recently admitted as PALOP (countries which have portuguese language as their main spoken language). Maybe you haven't ever heard of it, because it's quite small. It's called Amadora.
I found the suburb of Lisboa called Amadora through google. There was also an African state with the same name?
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Abril de 2015, 15:29
Citação de: Schweisen Tiger em 11 de Abril de 2015, 15:17
He is from one of our former colonies, which was recently admitted as PALOP (countries which have portuguese language as their main spoken language). Maybe you haven't ever heard of it, because it's quite small. It's called Amadora.
I found the suburb of Lisboa called Amadora through google. There was also an African state with the same name?
That suburb has so many africans, that it's almost an independent african state.
Citação de: LMFPC em 11 de Abril de 2015, 15:18
Citação de: Schweisen Tiger em 11 de Abril de 2015, 15:17
He is from one of our former colonies, which was recently admitted as PALOP (countries which have portuguese language as their main spoken language). You may have not have ever heard of it, because it's quite small. It's called Amadora.
JJ is from Amadora. :tomates:
As if his unintelligible dialect wasn't proof enough that he was from a different country already.
He is more like from Algeria than Angola or others former colonies.
Citação de: Covenant em 12 de Abril de 2015, 01:38
He is more like from Algeria than Angola or others former colonies.
Could be from Mozambique...they have a lot of population with that skin colour.
Will he change his name to Zekos?
He is already known as Zeka in Greece. :)
I would suggest:
Zekas
Zekopoulos
Zekaris
Zekakis
Zekou
Zekathostathopoulos
One question regarding greek (and turkish) names: do the -glou (in greek) and -ğlu (in turkish) terminations of names come from the same origin?
Although no expert I always thought it was logical to be this way and always suspected that the turkish -ğlus are former greeks. Am I right or am I completely missing the point?
Glu is 100% Turkish. 'Glou' is simply the Greek spelling of it. The word means 'son of.'
Because many Greeks lived in Turkish cities - they altered their names to fit in. I will explain for why.
'Poulos' in Medieval Greek - from latin = 'son of.'
Papadopoulos (most common Greek name) lit means the son of the priest - Papa (priest) Poulos (son of).
Now many Greeks living in Turkish society, altered their names to fit in. For example, the footballer Mitroglou. He is originally from Turkey. So his name is literally - son of Mitros. If his ancestors had not Turkified the end of his name, it would have most likely have stayed Mitropoulos - a very common name in Greece.
Greek names usually follow patterns and some places have very homogenous names. For example, nearly everyone in Crete has a surname that ends in akis - for example - Marinakis (Son of Marinos). Akis like the endings poulos, idis, idas (last two from the Peloponnese) etc all mean 'son of' or 'junior.'
For example:
Dimitris - Dimitrakis (son of Dimitri)
Petros - Petropoulos (son of Petro)
Then you have names that indicate a profession. Samaris for example, was probably descended from someone who made saddles for horses.
Samari = saddle
Samaras = saddler
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Great stuff, thanks! I always assumed glou was greek, don't know why. O0
Citação de: jase25 em 12 de Abril de 2015, 04:18
Great stuff, thanks! I always assumed glou was greek, don't know why. O0
As a general rule, I always say - any word that sounds like you may have too much spit in your mouth is Turkish in origin. Glu, og, gin, gul, slu etc.
Greeks tend to love strong vowl sounds and heavy endings to words. That is why most Greek words are easy to read for a European.
For example, Greeks don't say Marinakis.. They say Mari-na - kisss. Usually big emphasis on the end of words. Myko - noss. etc... :)
Yep, I am generally aware of that, I like languages a lot. Just never gave a scientific look at that glou thing. ;D
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Abril de 2015, 04:30
Citação de: jase25 em 12 de Abril de 2015, 04:18
Great stuff, thanks! I always assumed glou was greek, don't know why. O0
As a general rule, I always say - any word that sounds like you may have too much spit in your mouth is Turkish in origin. Glu, og, gin, gul, slu etc.
Greeks tend to love strong vowl sounds and heavy endings to words. That is why most Greek words are easy to read for a European.
For example, Greeks don't say Marinakis.. They say Mari-na - kisss. Usually big emphasis on the end of words. Myko - noss. etc... :)
Greek seems o have simple phonetics. In fact, its phonetics seem to resemble Spanish at first. many say that Greek sounds like a Spaniard speaking gibberish.
Citação de: Festivus em 12 de Abril de 2015, 20:04
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Abril de 2015, 04:30
Citação de: jase25 em 12 de Abril de 2015, 04:18
Great stuff, thanks! I always assumed glou was greek, don't know why. O0
As a general rule, I always say - any word that sounds like you may have too much spit in your mouth is Turkish in origin. Glu, og, gin, gul, slu etc.
Greeks tend to love strong vowl sounds and heavy endings to words. That is why most Greek words are easy to read for a European.
For example, Greeks don't say Marinakis.. They say Mari-na - kisss. Usually big emphasis on the end of words. Myko - noss. etc... :)
Greek seems o have simple phonetics. In fact, its phonetics seem to resemble Spanish at first. many say that Greek sounds like a Spaniard speaking gibberish.
It does indeed resemble the speech of the Spanish. There are even quite a few greeks who add the famous lisp to the way they speak Greek, that makes it even more similar to Spanish. They 'sshhh' clean
s sounds and 'thh' a lot - it is more obvious when greeks speak English. I have never understood why Greeks do this and it is mostly women who do this for some reason. I have met a few Spanish who speak Greek so well, I have only known they are Spanish because they have told me. They have virtually no accent in Greek. The problem with greek is some words are simply too long. Greeks have no trouble saying them extremely fast because they are used to them. The words are not difficult to say - because Greek has very obvious basic word construction with very nicely spread vowels to contestants - like Kathoristiko - καθοριστικό (means 'decisive'). However saying these words fast like they do in Athens takes time. In the south they speak much slower.
Of course there are two in Greeks imo...
The Greek of the news,,,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXt5T8f7Ux4
And the Greek of social conversations...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uxCeBmgQAE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FE4cffvHBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgyfN0rVmuk
^^ Which does indeed sound like complete Spanish mountain gibberish.
And we speak Russian gibberish.
The genitive termination -oğlu, hellenized as "oglou" is indeed Turkish. It comes from oğul, "son."
Faliro already covered most of it. Another famous hellenized Turkish family name is Karamanlis. We instantly recall the famous family that gave to the world Konstantinos Karamanlis, a former President and Prime Minister of Greece. The name comes from the turkish adjective Karamanlı, "of Karaman," a town in south central Turkey known as Laranda in ancient times. The Karamanlides, a Turkish-speaking Eastern Orthodox Christian group, are also related to that area.
Another much debated name of Turkish origin is Karagounis - a name Benfica fans will remember.
(http://i.imgur.com/HWZGZuI.png?1)
"Black Greek" in Turkish would be Kara Yunan.
It's possible that it could have been hellenized over time as something like Karagounanis and then shortened to Karagounis.
I believe the black fur etymology also holds weight.
Every Greek academic is far left and likes to show Greeks are just a bunch of mixed gypsies.
The '''academic''' who I quoted stated that the Karagounides - a people from Thessaly in Greece, are not known to wear furs. That is the biggest load of crap I have ever read. People in Thessaly have been wearing furs from the dawn of time up until the 1950s. It gets seriously seriously cold there. In fact anyone not wearing furs in that region in winter was in big trouble. The Karagounides tribe like most Greeks also used to wear a lot of black clothing. Greeks make fun of anyone with this name Karagounis because it usually depicts silly peasants. Here they are:
(http://hellas.teipir.gr/prefectures/greek/Karditsas/Karditsa/karditsa_ptyxiakh/images/ethima.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DaeB_jOKlm0/UsFYfjXfplI/AAAAAAAAIzA/uYDXl_rLqIg/s640/%CE%B1%CF%81%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AF%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%823.jpg)
(http://4gym-kozan.koz.sch.gr/ergasies/foresies/S73_1500.JPG)
The area in winter:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fb/b8/e8/fbb8e86aa38f234ccf4cdc3cc8821956.jpg)
(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/6999770.jpg)
Citação de: Festivus em 12 de Abril de 2015, 20:04
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Abril de 2015, 04:30
Citação de: jase25 em 12 de Abril de 2015, 04:18
Great stuff, thanks! I always assumed glou was greek, don't know why. O0
As a general rule, I always say - any word that sounds like you may have too much spit in your mouth is Turkish in origin. Glu, og, gin, gul, slu etc.
Greeks tend to love strong vowl sounds and heavy endings to words. That is why most Greek words are easy to read for a European.
For example, Greeks don't say Marinakis.. They say Mari-na - kisss. Usually big emphasis on the end of words. Myko - noss. etc... :)
Greek seems o have simple phonetics. In fact, its phonetics seem to resemble Spanish at first. many say that Greek sounds like a Spaniard speaking gibberish.
Indeed. I've talked with Faliro about this some months ago on another thread:
Citação de: H em 16 de Janeiro de 2015, 12:37
As you might now Faliro, I'm quite a fan of polyphonic chants, such as the ones found in byzantine music. Today I was listening to these monks of Simonopetra Monastery and there is one track that sounds like Spanish or even Portuguese in several parts.
By the way, the other day I met this Greek girl who was doing an Inter Rail with another guy and they started the trip here in Cambridge. She teached me some Greek stuff and we were discussing as well, how difficult it is for an Englishmen to speak Portuguese or Greek, but that it's not that difficult for a Portuguese to speak Greek or otherwise. I used the example of "Thank You", as we have no problem of saying the "efRRaristo" but the English can't say that, they go like efHaristo". Same thing when you have spanish words with J, which is supposed to be read as RR but they read it as H.
I've asked her to tell me some bad words, obviously, so here's what I got:
-Aderramichu
-Ramo (te panaghea)
-Ramoto
-Chkata
A month ago, I also was working with an half-Italian, half-Greek guy, in this big employability and education fair in Portugal, we were the representatives of our University, me as the student representative and him as the the corporative representative, and we had some good times together. He explained to me the difference between Malaka and Malakia and had quite some fun discussing the differences between Portuguese, Italian, Greek and English girls.
Citação de: H em 14 de Abril de 2015, 10:55
By the way, the other day I met this Greek girl who was doing an Inter Rail with another guy and they started the trip here in Cambridge. She teached me some Greek stuff and we were discussing as well, how difficult it is for an Englishmen to speak Portuguese or Greek, but that it's not that difficult for a Portuguese to speak Greek or otherwise. I used the example of "Thank You", as we have no problem of saying the "efRRaristo" but the English can't say that, they go like efHaristo". Same thing when you have spanish words with J, which is supposed to be read as RR but they read it as H.
I've asked her to tell me some bad words, obviously, so here's what I got:
-Aderramichu
-Ramo (te panaghea)
-Ramoto
-Chkata
A month ago, I also was working with an half-Italian, half-Greek guy, in this big employability and education fair in Portugal, we were the representatives of our University, me as the student representative and him as the the corporative representative, and we had some good times together. He explained to me the difference between Malaka and Malakia and had quite some fun discussing the differences between Portuguese, Italian, Greek and English girls.
:2funny: :2funny: H, that made me laugh, it took me 2 seconds to work out what she said..
I think these are the ones she meant:
Ade Gamisou = Go fuck yourself.
Gamo tin panagia sou = I fuck your icon (that's is right boys and girls - Greeks often tell each other to fuck their own religious icon).
Gamoto = Fuck it (IE - I give up)
Skata = Shit (where the word
scatological comes from)
Some other favorites from the Greek peninsular you can easily here by just observing incidents in the streets:
Malaka - wanker
Malakia - nonsense
Malakismeno - someone who lives as a malaka
Gamo tin psyche sou - I fuck your soul.
Gamo to mouni pou se petage - I fuck the pussy that threw you out.
Papara - wanker/asshole.
Pousti - faggot. (very common)
Feefees - faggot.
Floros - faggot.
Poutana - whore.
Skatofatsa - shit face.
Skata na fas - eat shit.
Kolotripa - asshole.
Tsoustouni - someone who has a child's penis.
Mouno pano - pussy rag (very common).
Tha xeso mesa stin aderfi sou to stoma - i'll shit in your sister's mouth.
Mounothiella - pussy storm (lit means a lot of women in an area)
Skata ston tafo sou - I shit on your grave (remember these are not uncommon and are in everyday use :crazy2:)
Poutso kelftis - dick thief.
and of course...
kolopedi - ass child.
These are all fairly common and if you have a keen ear you will hear most of them in heated moments or even when people get mildly annoyed at something.
However there are far more and I don't have the time to post them all!
http://www.myinsults.com/comebacks/greek-insults
Yeah I forgot to mention that I was severly intoxicated at the time I learned these words, I just transcribed them from my cellphone, exactly the way I perceived them at the time, hence all the non-sense that I wrote... :smokin:
Almost fell from the chair laughing with "dick thief". "Pussy rag" was a particularly good one as well! :2funny:
What I get from this hilarious insult exchange and translation is that in Greek you read the G's as RR (this is how we write the sound in Portuguese, but imagine a dog growling), right? And if so, what's the equivalent for the G sound as in "ground", "garnet", "Gabriel", etc.?
Yea, dick thief is a classic. What is insane is these are everyday insults in common use. In the UK, you hear - wanker, knob and cunt and nothing more. I go to a lot of football games, it is the same 3 in repetition perhaps with the added - 'you fucking cunt'. Greeks on the other hand have a cannon of swear words and phrases within a dictionary of insults. I think Greeks believe it is one of their human rights to able to properly insult a fellow Greek. :2funny: :2funny:
The G sound in Gamisou is indeed a g sound - but a soft G that we don't often use in English. It is the G of the letter Gamma. The sound is this: 'gaaa,' almost a subtle growl as you described it.
You can here it here if you press the speaker button:
https://translate.google.com/#el/mt/%CE%B3%CE%B1%CE%BC%CE%AE%CF%83%CE%BF%CF%85
To make the classic english G sound in words such as great or gates or garage - the Greeks use Γκ - literally Gamma and Kappa together to get the hard G. For example, the Greek footballer, Theofanis Gekas has a hard G in his name, so In Greek it looks like this: Θεοφάνης Γκέκας. However most the time, and in all the swears, Greeks use the Gamma - that looks like this: Gamisou - Γαμήσου.
Diogo Amado na mira de PAOK e Karabukspor
O futuro de Diogo Amado poderá passar pela Grécia ou pela Turquia. PAOK e Karabukspor têm o médio do Estoril debaixo de olho e já estabeleceram contactos no sentido de saberem quais as condições que poderão fazer o jogador mudar de ares no final da temporada.
Diogo Amado, de 25 anos, é um dos jogadores mais influentes da equipa canarinha, tendo falhado apenas um jogo esta época no campeonato, devido a castigo. No Estoril há três anos, Amado encontra-se em final de contrato e será livre para decidir o seu futuro.
Tanto PAOK como Karabukspor têm jogadores conhecidos dos portugueses: na equipa grega alinham Ricardo Costa e Miguel Miguel, enquanto nos turcos está o cabo-verdiano Kuca, que jogou com Diogo Amado no Estoril.
25% of Greek men would be open to a one night stand - doesn't mater where you go in Greece. However, when women were asked the same question, the map below indicates which regions have women who are open to a one night stand and by what percent.
(http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/xartis_12.jpg)
Thanks for the great post, as usual Faliro.
So I'm guessing then that Gyros would be with the Γκ as well, right? Funny how you and the Russians have the same letter for G, though in Russian Γ is a definite hard G. Do you guys say that you hit a girl's G spot or her Γ spot? :smokin:
I also find it interesting to notice how sigma can be visually interpreted as an S and as a Ç. I would say that only Portuguese, Greek and Turkish have that kind of letter, Ç, or at least something resembling it? Wellt, I can't remember right now any other language with that. Also, could have S derived from that as well? It would actually make sense... Sorry, I'm really into other languages and alphabets, I wish I'd know how to speak a lot more languages. Perhaps I'll study linguistics in a distant future, who knows.
Citação de: H em 16 de Abril de 2015, 12:53
Thanks for the great post, as usual Faliro.
So I'm guessing then that Gyros would be with the Γκ as well, right? Funny how you and the Russians have the same letter for G, though in Russian Γ is a definite hard G. Do you guys say that you hit a girl's G spot or her Γ spot? :smokin:
I also find it interesting to notice how sigma can be visually interpreted as an S and as a Ç. I would say that only Portuguese, Greek and Turkish have that kind of letter, Ç, or at least something resembling it? Wellt, I can't remember right now any other language with that. Also, could have S derived from that as well? It would actually make sense... Sorry, I'm really into other languages and alphabets, I wish I'd know how to speak a lot more languages. Perhaps I'll study linguistics in a distant future, who knows.
Gyros or γύρος is also spelt with gamma and that is because it is again pronounced with a soft
g. Almost pronounced
yearos. Greeks use so much English in their everyday speech and writing, most will know and use the phrase exactly in English -
G-spot. As you can see from below:
(http://i.imgur.com/JxLFluz.png?1)
About the
Sigma, we have no idea how ancient Greeks would have sounded out a sigma - we can only guess. The sigma is quite versatile today and can indeed substitute the Ç when needed. When the sigma is in the middle of the word, it takes this form: σ At the end of a word, it takes this form: ς And of course the famous capitalised sigma is: Σ.
Citação de: Festivus em 09 de Abril de 2015, 22:59
Referees threaten boycotting Benfica vs. Porto.
Try beating that, Greece.
OK, let me try, from today - Greece could be excluded from FIFA and UEFA unless the Sports Minister backs down, which he said he wont. Incidentally Olympiakos has said the greek Government should not have the power to ban a Greek club from European competition and the Government should back down. Panathinaikos backs the Government:
Greece on collision course with Fifa, Uefa16 April 2015, 15:05
The leftist Greek government appears on a collision course with world and European football's governing bodies Fifa and Uefa over plans announced on Thursday to tackle violence in domestic sport.
Deputy Sports Minister Stavros Kontonis told a press conference that despite disagreements with Fifa and Uefa his government plans to go ahead with an auditing and supervisory role in all aspects of sports in Greece.
"After decades of experience we all have at least drawn our own conclusions.
"Greek justice now has official conclusion of the actions of two criminal organisations. If an international body considers that the current legislative framework has worked well, let them come and tell us," Kontonis said.
Greek media report that Fifa and Uefa are concerned that new legislature will take away the autonomy of the country's football federation.
"The state recognises the self rule as it exists in municipalities, regions and universities.
"Where public money is involved no one can be excluded from control. We want self rule, but all sports federations will be monitored and managed in a uniform manner, with no exceptions," Kontonis said.
Tough new legislation to combat football violence was unveiled in a draft bill by Kontonis last month.
Under the new legislation the government would have the right to impose fines ranging from 10 000 to 25 million euros for violent incidents, to order the postponement or cancellation of sporting events and even to prohibit teams from playing in European competition.
The legislation also includes the possibility of fines to be imposed on media outlets for showing or inciting violence and prison for individuals from unrecognised supporters clubs for issuing tickets.
It also sets out guidelines on the use of cameras and electronic ticketing while referees will be required to submit financial statements of their wealth to the relevant authorities.
"We believe that the bill puts on the rails again the responsibilities of the state to handle the tsunami of violence in sports. The government and the parliament are the only legitimized bodies of the Greek people," Kontonis said.
He added that Fifa and Uefa are international organisations governed by Swiss law while "the Greek parliament is the place to legislate with the direct mandate of the Greek people."
Alrighty. I've been hearing "gyros" wrong my entire life and always thought it was said with a hard G. I could use some gyros now by the way, feeling hungry as shit.
There is one place that for me is the best in the world:
Thanasis in Athens. Best place. Does a mixed beef and lamb souvlaki in pita... stunner. Very famous place.
(http://othanasis.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/DSC_9975.jpg)
In fact the last time i was there, two years ago, i photodocumented my Thanasis experience.
(http://i.imgur.com/BavKPGr.jpg?1)
Gyros was the first thing I had when I went to Greece.
It's very good.
Funnily enough, never had gyros in Greece. The only times I've had it, were in Serbia, where it seems to be a highly popular (cheap) food. Can't remember about Novi Sad, but in Belgrade, every street had at least one gyros or greek food shop. It was so good that I always ended up having a 2nd gyros after the 1st one.
This one is for you H:
https://youtu.be/M52j1Ml_74w
:rir:
Is that for real? Does it literally mean that? Hysterical! ;D
It does mean that. ;D
In fact the literal translation is even funnier. Literally translated to English it is ''something's running (going on) at the gypsy's camp.''
There are plenty of these. ;D I knew a Spanish guy once who found these sayings so hilarious, he learnt most of them and used to converse in Greek using them. Whenever he would speak to Greeks using them, the Greeks would never laugh, because they are not meant to be laugh at - they are just a great examples of how supremely apathetic and deeply sarcastic Greeks are when they converse with each other. ;D
One of my all time favorites is a Cretan saying that is basically saying.. are you sure you know what the fuck you are doing? The translation from Greek to English is literally:
Where are you going amongst the marrow patch at night with your pants around your ankles?
Another classic is:
In Greece, a situation doesn't just "get out of hand"...it turns into "a whore's fencepost" (της πουτἀνας το κἀγκελο).
Ξεκωλιάστηκα..
Literal English Translation: "Un-assed."
What the Greeks really mean: "I have over-exerted myself." Very hardcore.. ;D
"Tο εχουν παραχέσει."
Literal English Translation: "They have overshitted it."
What the Greeks really mean: "They have overdone it."
min mou zalizeis ta arxithia - don't make my balls dizzy - lit: Stop saying nonsense to me.
Millions of others... don't have the time to post them all..
13. A Greek person doesn't just "cheat on you"...he "puts horns on you" (σε κερατὠνει).
This is used here in Portugal as well.
Source: http://matadornetwork.com/abroad/21-funniest-greek-expressions-use/
Yea, there was a point where i had no idea what 'horns' meant. You know when people used to do this:
(https://superaalifragilistic.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/woman-with-peace-sign-over-meditating-guru-s-head.jpg)
Everyone would do it to everyone and no one had a clue what it meant until we got older.. :disgust:
Ahahah exactly.
"Don't make my balls dizzy", that one cracked me up so bad, hahahaha! :2funny:
Loved the others too obviously. You got to post more of those man.
H MOUNOTRIXA TRAVAI KAI KARAVI
(A WOMAN'S PUBE CAN TOW A SHIP)
AFTOS POU PIDAI POLA PALOUKIA THA TOU HOTHI KAI ENA STO KOLO
(HE WHO JUMPS MANY POLES WILL EVENTUALLY GET ONE UP HIS ARSE)
THA TA FORTOSEIS STON KOKORA
(YOU WILL LOAD THEM ON THE ROOSTER) No idea what the fuck that means.. ;D
Sikothikane ta aggouria kai gamisane ton manav
(The cucumbers got up and fucked the greengrocer)
"O kosmos kaigete kai to mouni ksirizete"
(The world is burning and the vagina is shaving itself) - surely one of the greatest sayings ever created.. ;D ;D
na xerathi to skato sto kolo sou
may your shit dry up on your arse
Ego milao kai aloga klanoun
Im speaking and horses are farting
"ekane kai i miya kolo kai ehese olon ton kosmo"
the fly grew a ass and shitted on all the world - WTF ;D
THA SOU ALAXO TA FOTA
I'll change your lights - very common - means I am going to beat you up..
THA FAS XILO
(YOU WILL EAT WOOD). Get beaten up.. very common..
NA SOU EVGI TO SKATO SAN PETRA
MAY YOUR SHIT COME OUT LIKE STONE
Gamoto kandili sou
Fuck your candle ;D lit: fuck your stupid religious candle.. ;D ;D
Me epiase to kefali mou
My head has grabbed me - no idea what this means
ante hessou
'go shit yourself' very common.
Otan sou'rhete to abvo sto kolo.. den exeis folia na to valeis
When you get that egg in your ass.. there's no nest to put it
Xipna re tha se fane ta mirmigia
(Wake up or the ants will eat you!)
Pernao apo tin porta sou kai mirizo psari. Psinis keftathakia kai leo "siynomi, then kapnizo".
(I pass by your door and I smell fish. You are cooking meatballs and I say "sorry, I don't smoke"!)
Mounoklatho
(Vagina pube)
"Me Doulevis Tora?"
...Are You Working Me Now?
Sikou poutso mou grigora,tha pame sto spiti
Rise up quickly my dick were going home ;D
pos pas san to kavoura?
where are u going like a crab?
eipane tis grias na hesi kai auti xekoliastike
they told the old lady to shit and she unassed herself...
Your fantasy does orgy! (Η φαντασία σου οργιάζει!)
Are you working me? (Με δουλεύεις;)
I am not fighting her... (Δεν την παλεύω...)
I farted door latches... (Έκλασα πόμολα...)
You changed my lights. (Μου άλλαξες τα φώτα.)
I | He/She/It | We |You | They did her from hand. (Την έκαναν από χέρι.)
It doesn't exist we say. (Δεν υπάρχει λέμε.)
Welcome my eyes the two! (Καλώς τα μάτια μου τα δυο!)
The fat priest ate fat lentil, why fat priest did you eat fat lentil? (Ο Παπάς ο παχύς έφαγε παχιά φακή, γιατί παπά παχύ έφαγες παχιά φακή;)
Fart me a stonewall of testicles! (Κλάσε μου μια μάντρα αρχ...!)
He is a fart bathtub. (Είναι κλασομπανιέρας.)
I made my shit cracker. (Έκανα το σκατό μου παξιμάδι.)
Better five and in hand than ten and waiting (Κάλλιο 5 και στο χέρι παρά 10 και καρτέρι)
Better donkey-bonding than donkey-searching (Κάλλιο γαϊδουρόδενε παρά γαϊδουρογύρευε)
It says! (Λέει!)
It says many! (Λέει πολλά!)
It wrote! (Έγραψε!)
I took it in my scalp. (Τα πήρα στο κρανίο.)
It counts. (Μετράει.)
I've played them! (Τα έχω παίξει!)
I made her lottery! (Την έκανα λαχείο!)
I stayed bone! (Έμεινα κόκαλο!)
I saw the Christ soldier and the Holy mother patrol. (Είδα τον Χριστό φαντάρο και την Παναγιά περίπολο.)
It happened the come to see. (Έγινε το έλα να δεις.)
Go to the corner to see if I come! (Πήγαινε στην γωνία να δεις αν έρχομαι!)
Like the unfair curse (Σαν την άδικη κατάρα)
Something's running down to the gypsies. (Kάτι τρέχει στα γύφτικα.)
It didn't sit on us. (Δεν μας έκατσε.)
He gives her to me. (Μου την δίνει.)
You take him and you incline. (Τον παίρνεις και γέρνεις)
It breaks her to me. (Μου την σπάει.)
He owes me his horns. (Μου χρωστάει τα κέρατα του.)
Who pays the bride? (Ποιος πληρώνει την νύφη;)
He made them sea. (Τα έκανε θάλασσα.)
He doesn't understand Christ! (Δεν καταλαβαίνει Χριστό!)
Your mind and a pound and the painter's brush (Τα μυαλά σου και μία λίρα και του μπογιατζή ο κόπανος)
I came out of my clothes. (Βγήκα από τα ρούχα μου.)
This place is at Devil's mother. (Αυτό είναι στου διαόλου τη μάνα.)
It rains chair legs. (Βρέχει καρεκλοπόδαρα.)
Hairs curly (Τρίχες κατσαρές)
I don't have face to come out in society. (Δεν έχω πρόσωπο να αντικρίσω την κοινωνία.)
How from here morning morning? (Πώς από δω πρωί πρωί;)
I don't know my blindness. (Δεν ξέρω την τύφλα μου.)
The blind man's right (Του στραβού το δίκιο)
Pale I cut it. (Χλωμό το κόβω.)
He is de-watered! (Αυτός είναι ξενέρωτος!)
Did he tell her to me now? (Μου την είπε τώρα;)
You are for the festivals. (Είσαι για τα πανηγύρια.)
Three-blanket party (Τρικούβερτο γλέντι)
You catch me? (Με πιάνεις;)
They don't chew. (Δεν μασάνε.)
Does the goat chew salted fish roe? (Μασάει η κατσίκα ταραμά;)
Slow the cabbages! (Σιγά τα λάχανα!)
Catch the egg and mow it!! (Πιάσε το αυγό και κούρεφ' το!!)
Are we gluing coffee pots? (Μπρίκια κολλάμε;)
Marrows drums! (Κολοκύθια τούμπανο!)
Marrows with olive & oregano (Κολοκύθια λαδορίγανη)
They played wood. (Έπαιξαν ξύλο.)
On the deaf man's door, knock as much as you want! (Στου κουφού την πόρτα, όσο θέλεις βρόντα!)
Slow the much-oil (Σιγά τον πολυέλαιο)
To the down-down of the writing (Στο κάτω κάτω της γραφής)
Are you asking and the change from over? (Ζητάς και τα ρέστα από πάνω;)
In the end they shave the groom. (Στο τέλος ξυρίζουν τον γαμπρό.)
He ate door/Χ/invalidity. (Έφαγε πόρτα/Χι/άκυρο.)
He sleeps with the chickens. (Κοιμάται με τις κότες.)
He stuck me to the wall. (Με κόλλησε στον τοίχο.)
He returned me the entrails. (Μου γύρισε τα άντερα.)
He sat on my neck. (Μου κάθισε στο λαιμό.)
Has the weather turnings. (Έχει ο καιρός γυρίσματα.)
He does the duck/Chinese/American. (Κάνει την πάπια/τον Κινέζο/τον Αμερικάνο.)
We did black eyes to see you. (Κάναμε μαύρα μάτια να σε δούμε.)
Slow the eggs (Σιγά τα αβγά)
He put the tail under the crotch. (Έβαλε την ουρά στα σκέλια.)
It isn't very day Saint John's. (Δεν είναι κάθε μέρα τ' Άη-Γιαννιού.)
Moon's fair (Του μ*υνιού το πανηγύρι)
Are you scratching? (Ξύνεις;)
Scratcher! (Ξύστη!)
Shit high and gaze. (Χέσε ψηλά κι αγνάντευε.)
And then became the save. (Και τότε έγινε το σώσε.)
He does the Chinese man. (Κάνει τον Κινέζο.)
He pulls masturbation. (Τραβάει μαλακία.)
He sells insanity. (Πουλάει τρέλα.)
Big-head (Κεφάλα)
Atomic pizza (Ατομική πίτσα)
You better have your eye out than your name. (Κάλλιο να σου βγει το μάτι παρά το όνομα.)
He cannot crucify girlfriend. (Δεν μπορεί να σταυρώσει γκόμενα.)
I shall burn you John I shall spread you oil. (Να σε κάψω Γιάννη να σ' αλείψω λάδι)
Silk pants want and skillful asses. (Τα μεταξωτά βρακιά θέλουν και επιδέξιους κώλους)
Wall-wall and wherever i come you off! (Τοίχο-τοίχο κι όπου σε πετύχω!)
From where does the red mullet fart through? (Από πού κλάνει το μπαρμπούνι;)
The rials-rials and where are they? (Τα ριάλια ριάλια τσε πούν' τα;)
It will happen the prostitute's. (Θα γίνει της πουτάνας)
Never of the drinks. (Ποτέ των ποτών)
About appetite, pumpkin pie. (Περί ορέξεως, κολοκυθόπιτα)
Slow the thing. (Σιγά το πράγμα)
Take my testicles asshole. (Πάρτα αρχίδια μου μαλάκα)
Take them so that I dont owe them to you. (Πάρτα να μην στα χρωστάω)
You swelled my testicles. (Μου πρηξες τα αρχίδια)
Prostitute's banister. (Της πουτάνας το κάγκελο)
You have your black carpets. (Έχεις τα μαύρα σου τα χάλια)
He got belled. (Καμπανιάστηκε)
Am I putting horseshoes on cicadas? (Τζιτζίκια πεταλώνω;)
To my testicles. (Στα αρχίδια μου)
Eye vs eye. (Οφθαλμός αντί οφθαλμού)
We have you to the Opa Opa. (Σε έχουμε στα όπα όπα)
Person unwritten, wood uncreaved. (Άνθρωπος αγράμματος ξύλο απελέκητο)
Like the barber's ass. (Σαν τον κώλο του κουρέα)
Like the monkey's ass. (Σαν τον κώλο της μαϊμούς)
Ιt will laugh and the colourfull goat. (Θα γελάσει και το παρδαλό κατσίκι)
Are you with your goods? (Είσαι με τα καλά σου;)
I'm playing her. (Την παίζω)
You're not playable!/ You can't be played! (Δεν παίζεσαι!)
I write you to my testicles! (Στα αρχίδια μου σε γράφω!)
Anybody walking in the night steps on mud and shit. (Όποιος τη νύχτα περπατεί, λάσπες και σκατά πατεί)
If February februarizes it will smell summer, but if he gets angry he will bury us in the snow. (Ο Φλεβάρης κι αν φλεβίσει καλοκαίρι θα μυρίσει, μα αν τύχει και θυμώσει μες στο χιόνι θα μας χώσει)
Live my May to eat clover. (Ζήσε Μάη μου να φας τριφύλλι)
The much ficki-ficki makes the mind (apple) Firiki. (Το πολύ το φικι φικι κάνει το μυαλό φιρίκι)
The much tacka-tacka makes the child asshole. (Το πολύ το τάκα τάκα κάνει το παιδί μαλάκα)
Of the Saint Cock's eve. (Του Αγίου Πούτσου ανήμερα.)
Plate are you doing me? (Πλάκα με κάνεις;)
He farted mints. (Έκλασε μέντες)
She is a takeall. (Eίναι παρτόλα)
The fast and charm it has. (Το γοργόν και χάριν έχει)
I cut vein. (Έκοψα φλέβα)
He needs wood ! (Χρειάζεται ξύλο)
Alone and desert (Μόνος και έρημος)
He does priests. (Κάνει παπάδες)
The masturbation goes cloud. (Η μαλακία πάει σύννεφο)
Shit us! (Χέσε μας!)
Bad year have you! (Κακό χρόνο να'χεις!)
Eat eyes fishes and the belly roundstreet. (Φάτε μάτια ψάρια και κοιλιά περίδρομο)
He is asswidth! (Είναι κωλόφαρδος!)
It ate him the black snake. (Τον έφαγε το μαύρο φίδι)
The fly did ass and it shitted all the world. (Έκανε η μύγα κώλο και έχεσε τον κόσμο όλο)
Take my three. (Παρ' τα τρία μου)
They exploded nose the slappers! (Έσκασαν μύτη οι μπάτσοι!)
I tapped you for the goods. (Σε τάπωσα για τα καλά)
The black man's fig tree. (Η συκιά του μαύρου - κυπριακό)
Cut your neck. (Κόψε το λαιμό σου)
The feminin horse shitted in the field. (Χέστηκε η φοράδα στ' αλώνι)
It will eat the fly iron and the mosquito steel. (Θα φάει η μύγα σίδερο και το κουνούπι ατσάλι)
One the thief's, two the thief's, three and his bad day. (Μια του κλέφτη, δυο του κλέφτη, τρεις και η κακή του μέρα)
The brains in the rails. (Τα μυαλά στα κάγκελα)
You will say the water little water. (Θα πεις το νερό νεράκι)
Bad dog death doesn't have (Κακό σκυλί ψώφο δεν έχει)
The nigger and if you wash your soap you spoil. (Τον αράπη κι αν τον πλένεις το σαπούνι σου χαλάς)
Cocks blue. (Πούτσες μπλε)
Blowjobs blue and green and pardal. (Πίπες μπλε και πράσινες και παρδαλές)
Others the eyes of the rabbit and others of the owl. (Άλλα τα μάτια του λαγού κι άλλα της κουκουβάγιας)
From little and from crazy you learn the truth. (Από μικρό και απο τρελό μαθαίνεις την αλήθεια)
Sleepy! (Κοιμήσι!)
Boil rice. (Βράσε ρύζι)
Like the snows! (Σαν τα χιόνια!)
Not in the much the -f- (Ουκ εν τω πολλώ το εύ)
When the shit blows on the wall. (Όταν σκάσει το σκατό στον τοίχο)
Τhe cunt drags ship. (Το μouniί σέρνει καράβι)
Set/establish ass. (Στήσε κώλο)
Carpet i will be to step me. (Χαλί θα γίνω να με πατήσεις)
Hi! Me I am! (Γεια! Εγώ είμαι! -τηλεφωνική επικοινωνία-)
Shit to eat. (Σκατά να φας)
Scroll the pan and found the cap. (Κύλισε ο τέντζερης και βρήκε το καπάκι)
Masters and slaves the same shit we have become all. (Αφεντικά και δούλοι ίδια σκατά γίναμε όλοι)
Cool become the bricks and whistles from the holes. (Μάγκεψαν τα τούβλα σφυρίζουν και απ' τις τρύπες)
One yours and one mine. (Μία σου και μία μου)
Say hello to my platan. (Χαιρέτα μου τον πλάτανο)
Here the world burns and the cunt brushes its hair. (Εδώ ο κόσμος καίγεται και το μουνί χτενίζεται)
We fell in the pit with the assfingers. (Πέσαμε στον λάκκο με τα κωλοδάχτυλα)
Little sheep white and fat, its mother's pride. (Αρνάκι άσπρο και παχύ, της μάνας του καμάρι)
Wolf black and thin, his father's longing. (Λύκος μαύρος και ισχνός, του πατέρα του καημός)
You made my three two. (Μου έκανες τα τρία δύο)
Penis and awe. (Πέος και δέος)
Cock, ball and seesaw. (Πούτσα, μπάλα και τραμπάλα)
Listen to see. (Άκου να δεις)
Ι did them on me. (Τα έκανα πάνω μου)
I cocked her. (Την πούτσησα)
I painted her. (Την έβαψα)
Look to see. (Κοίτα να δεις)
I don't lift fly on my sword. (Δεν σηκώνω μύγα στο σπαθί μου)
Moving telephone. (Κινητό Τηλέφωνο)
Congratulations, and at superiorly. (Συγχαρητήρια και εις ανώτερα.)
Why do you want a little spoon to give me the poison? (Tί το θες το κουταλάκι να μου δώσεις το φαρμάκι;)
Hellowings to the power. (Χαιρετίσματα στην εξουσία)
Glew you and you slipped. (Σού 'φεξε και γλίστρησες)
Cool become the corks and dive. (Μάγκεψαν οι φελλοί και κάνουν καταδύσεις)
You will say the despot Panagiotis. (Θα πεις το δεσπότη Παναγιώτη)
The pussy and the octopus as long as you hit it, it spreads. (Το μουνί και το χταπόδι, όσο το βαρείς απλώνει)
I stayed bone. (Έμεινα κάγκελο)
I am dogbored. (Σκυλοβαριέμαι)
Like the snows! (Σαν τα χιόνια!)
Only mountain with mountain don't mingle! (Μόνο βουνό με βουνό δε σμίγουν!)
Shit and Fromshit. (Σκατά κι απόσκατα)
I am going to take the mountains! (Θα πάρω τα βουνά!)
What honey will be done! (Τι μέλλει γενέσθαι!)
Ιn the well I pissed? (Στο πηγάδι κατούρησα;)
No cat, no damage. (Ούτε γάτα ούτε ζημιά)
Where should I tell you now. (Πού να στα λέω τώρα)
Don't make me waters. (Mη μου κάνεις νερά)
Our vagina has coagulated. (Έχει πήξει το μουνί μας)
My dudeness left me. (Μου έφυγε η μαγκιά)
You earthed me! (Με γείωσες!)
Time good in your stern and wind in your sails. (Ώρα καλή στην πρύμνη σου και αέρας στα πανιά σου)
Transporting I'm talking. (Μεταφορικά μιλάω)
Ηow and so? (Πώς κι έτσι;)
I'm hitting myself! (Βαριέμαι!)
My balls are eating me. (Με τρώνε τα αρχ*δια μου)
Changed Emmanuel and put his clothes differently. (Άλλαξε ο Μανωλιός κι έβαλε τα ρούχα του αλλιώς,)
He broke my nevres! (Μου 'σπασε τα νεύρα!)
Something you told us now. (Κάτι μας είπες τώρα)
Wherever you hear many cherries, hold and a small basket! (Όπου ακούς πολλά κεράσια, κράτα και μικρό καλάθι)
Thou Lord, prison my mouth! (Θου Κύριε, φυλακή τω στόματί μου)
The prostitute wants to hide and the happiness doesn't let her. (Θέλει η πουτάνα να κρυφτεί και η χαρά δεν την αφήνει)
Abyss the soul of the man. (Άβυσσος η ψυχή του ανθρώπου)
If the cock was violin, many would play it. (Αν η ψωλή ήταν βιολί, θα το παίζανε πολλοί)
My old art sieve. (Παλιά μου τέχνη κόσκινο)
He/She/It wants a hand of dirtywood. (Θέλει ένα χέρι βρωμόξυλο.)
Your face will eat ground. (Θα φάει η μούρη σου χώμα.)
Whoever wants the many, loses and the few. (Όποιος θέλει τα πολλά, χάνει και τα λίγα.)
Whoever gets mixed with the roughages, is eaten by the chicks. (Όποιος ανακατεύεται με τα πίτουρα, τον τρώνε οι κότες).
Of the slanting dick the hair it blamed to her. (Της στραβής ψωλής οι τρίχες της φταίξανε.)
What is missing from the scabby? Tuft with pearl! (Τι του λείπει του ψωριάρη? Φούντα με μαργαριτάρι!).
The whores and the mad females have the good the lucks! (Οι πουτάνες κι οι τρελές έχουν τις τύχες τις καλές!).
First leaves the soul and then the kink! (Πρώτα φεύγει η ψυχή και μετά το χούι!).
He played everything crown-letters! (Έπαιξε τα πάντα κορώνα-γράμματα!).
Farted the bride schooled the wedding! (Έκλασε η νύφη σχόλασε ο γάμος!).
All of the wedding difficult and the bride pregnant/transvestite! (Όλα του γάμου δύσκολα κι η νύφη γκαστρωμένη/τραβεστί!)
You deafened us! (Μας κούφανες!)
Go quit us! (Άει παράτα μας)
Good wines (Καλά κρασιά)
Life and chick (Ζωή και κότα)
Front cliff and back stream (Μπρός γκρεμός και πίσω ρέμα)
And the minds to the banisters (Και τα μυαλά στα κάγκελα)
He/She blows it and it's not getting colder. (Το φυσάει και δεν κρυώνει.)
Communication long mandolin (Συνεννόηση μπουζούκι)
You sleep and your luck is working (Εσύ κοιμάσαι και η τύχη σου δουλεύει)
Friend, I caught bottom (Φίλε, έπιασα πάτο)
Teacher you were teaching and law you didn't hold (Δάσκαλε που δίδασκες και νόμο δεν εκράτεις)
The masturbation goes cloud (Η μαλακία πάει σύννεφο)
I have drunk him (Τον ήπια!)
Give him to understand (Δωσ'του να καταλάβει!)
The old man goes or from fall or from shit(Ο γέρος πάει ή από πέσιμο ή από χέσιμο!)
Whatever we eat, whatever we drink and whatever snatch our ass! (Ότι φάμε, ότι πιούμε και ότι αρπάξει ο κώλος μας!)
It will take you and it will lift you up! (Θα σε πάρει και θα σε σηκώσει!)
No idea what the fuck most of these mean, however they are all used often.
My favorite is ''while one man's beard is on fire burns, another man lights a cigarette.''
Hi Faliro, i have one question for you.
This Easter i went to visit Athens with my girlfriend. We really loved it, from the Akropolis, to both Agoras, National Gardens, Manstiraki and Syntagma square, etc. And i won't even talk about your food... :D :D :D
We had the chance to go to Olympiakos stadium, buy a shirt at the Red Store, and even go the VIP cafe/restaurant.
Next to the entry of that area there is a statue of a player. Is it of some ancient Olympiakos player, or just representative of something? I am making a digital album and i wanted to add a subtitle to the photos we took next to the statue!
Thank you in advance!
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Abril de 2015, 00:25
Yea, there was a point where i had no idea what 'horns' meant. You know when people used to do this:
(https://superaalifragilistic.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/woman-with-peace-sign-over-meditating-guru-s-head.jpg)
Everyone would do it to everyone and no one had a clue what it meant until we got older.. :disgust:
That's more like rabbit ears than horns.
Horns are what Metal fans do at shows... and I'm not talking about cheating now.
Citação de: TSVaz em 18 de Abril de 2015, 02:08
Hi Faliro, i have one question for you.
This Easter i went to visit Athens with my girlfriend. We really loved it, from the Akropolis, to both Agoras, National Gardens, Manstiraki and Syntagma square, etc. And i won't even talk about your food... :D :D :D
We had the chance to go to Olympiakos stadium, buy a shirt at the Red Store, and even go the VIP cafe/restaurant.
Next to the entry of that area there is a statue of a player. Is it of some ancient Olympiakos player, or just representative of something? I am making a digital album and i wanted to add a subtitle to the photos we took next to the statue!
Thank you in advance!
Glad you enjoyed Athens and impressed you went to the Karaiskaki, red store and even found the cool VIP cafe. Most tourists don't do this kind of stuff.
Can you post the picture of it? I am not sure which is it.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5446/10196242855_b8f6c47875_h.jpg
I didn't enjoy it, i really loved it! We went to Faliro, Piraeus, took the boat to Aegina, went to see the temple of Alphaia... Amazing really! I organized myself with what i wanted to see, and of course i put Karaiskaki in my planning! :metal: For me, Olympiakos is Greece's ! :flagglorioso:
The statue i am talking about is this:
(http://i61.tinypic.com/eg75z6.jpg)
My only regret was that Olympiakos didn't have a game at home that weekend! But we plan on coming back!
And if anyone plans on visiting Athens, they can add me on facebook and see the pictures we took to have a little idea of how it is: https://www.facebook.com/joana.etiago.5 (https://www.facebook.com/joana.etiago.5)
OK - I asked some friends, because I have no idea who it is. Apparently it is the athletic champion youth on our emblem who has no name.
Aegina must have been pretty in spring with all the flowers out.. Never been there myself
If you get some time, show some of the pictures on here!
O0
Sorry, it was Benfica's time! :metal: :flagglorioso: :slb2:
Absolutely! It is very beautiful, and the trip by boat, in a sunny day like we had, it's even better!
Aegina:
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2ilkhsw.jpg)
Temple of Alphaia:
(http://i62.tinypic.com/33xhc44.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/10cuvma.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/hungab.jpg)
Amazing ocean's view, seen from the temple:
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2exc9si.jpg)
The port of Aegina:
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2aexbtz.jpg)
If you want me to post pictures from our trip to Athens, for you to show people from the forum how nice it is, just say! :amigo:
Beautiful. O0
Post as many as you want. O0
Panthrakikos 2
Panathinaikos 1
:)
Just saw today that Olympiacos won the title once more
Congrats Faliro!
Congrats Faliro.
Congrats
Congrats Faliro. :drunk:
Tough year for Greek football. So much unpleasantness. The extra title helps, but I think it will take a while to get back on track.
AEK will be back in the summer.. that is when the league will start to resemble a normal league again..
Also it will be 16 teams next year.
What is the situation with Aris? They are making a good season?
Started badly. They were still in free fall at the beginning of the season after being punished and relegated to the third division. They have started to make a comeback but it may be too little too late.. They won today but so did their rivals. Kavala and Panserraikos should not be down there either..
(http://i.imgur.com/aSyqnXY.png?1)
They still get the crowds even in the third division. Sad situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtHSARCfiEg
Congratulations, poutso kelftis! :smokin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD44-ZoAkG8
Great stuff. The video is horribly distasteful, but the music is really, really good.
The precursor to football chants! O0
Looks like Greece will be leaving UEFA and FIFA.
The far left Government has been repealing all laws which it feels are capitalist, right wing or leaves them without control.
Last week the minister for education repealed all the laws put in place in 2010. That means once again, university students have an unlimited time to complete a degree at university. Most Greeks take over 12 years to do a 3 year degree... It also means leftist students can elect university deans and once again, the universities will become bastions of the far left. Tsipras the PM, took 10 years to complete his degree and he never turned up to classes, only student sit-ins and protests.. :disgust:
Anyway, this far left minister (Deputy Sports Minister), here is his face:
(http://www.sport24.gr/Basket/ElladaBasket/article3304389.ece/BINARY/w620/Kontonis_stavros.jpg)
He has passed a bill which removes the EPO from being in charge of the football in Greece and lets the Government make the decisions. This is in direct violation of UEFA and FIFA statutes. Greece will most likely be removed from FIFA and UEFA - which to honest will be no big loss to the world, but hard on the fans in Greece who will have Taliban status in the world of football.
http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/ti-tha-ferei-to-grexit-sto-podosfairo.3426541.html
Lol, Greece...
UEFA, FIFA warn Greece over government's planned new laws
NYON, Switzerland (AP) — UEFA and FIFA say they have sent a final warning to Greece that it faces suspension from international football for government interference.
The Greek government wants to pass laws punishing violence at sports events, including imposing fines and threatening to cancel matches.
Football's governing bodies have strict rules protecting their member federations' independence to run their own affairs.
UEFA general secretary Gianni Infantino says a joint letter with FIFA was sent to the Greek government on Wednesday.
Infantino hopes the threat "will make them reconsider their actions, so we can still work together to resolve the issues affecting Greek football."
Teams and officials from suspended countries cannot take part in international matches and meetings.
In 2006, FIFA briefly suspended Greece when European champion for government interference.
Sadly, Greece leaving UEFA and FIFA...will only strengthen F.C. Oporto.
^^ That is what everyone is thinking in Greece at the moment but no one has the guts to say out loud.
On the other hand, if Greece stays put, that will only give more...
(http://s11.postimg.org/fko1esx9t/image.jpg)
Citação de: Gottschalk em 23 de Abril de 2015, 02:27
Sadly, Greece leaving UEFA and FIFA...will only strengthen F.C. Oporto.
Why so?
Both FIFA and UEFA nowdays are associations with such a power that can change a country government.
They have much more power than they should.
Citação de: Eddie_ em 23 de Abril de 2015, 17:40
Citação de: Gottschalk em 23 de Abril de 2015, 02:27
Sadly, Greece leaving UEFA and FIFA...will only strengthen F.C. Oporto.
Why so?
Why do you ask?
By asking, you're just strengthening F.C. Oporto.
Ok, you are trolling O0
But we all know what trolling does... :-X
strenght bastards, we know :rir:
AEK seem to have got Simoes. Marseille made an offer for him and he asked his manager if he could go for it, but it was too late, AEK have signed him apparently. They are also close to Orlando Sa.
Simoes is a pig but it's a good player. Orlando is shit.
If he Greek league still exists next season, it will have perhaps quite a Portuguese flavour.
There are already quite a few portuguese in the league:
Miguel Vítor
Ricardo Costa
Daniel Fernandes
Zeca
Pele
Carlos Milhazes
Jordão Diogo
Fábio
Live feed:
http://www.sportingvideo.tv/20150426/vv553ce6703d7015.73340815-1058720.html
Iraklis vs AEK - second division playoff.
1-0 Iraklis so far.
Faliro, did you saw Fejsa se last match against Porto?
He was top! Didnt lose almost any ball, made enourmous rebounds for possetion and almost scored a goal that would give the victory
Really hope he recovers this year
Didn't see him, only saw the first 30 mins. Lets hope he stays fit for you guys.
(https://scontent-bru.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/268068_248304665184557_5136984_n.jpg?oh=3d3ad936bc8da904ae260f9ae8cef9ed&oe=559807AE)
Im sure there are great things to come with his return, when i went to see the match against Académica and i was very surprised with what i saw in there, he was in beast mode really...
Lets really hope he continues this way, hopefully he will recover his place back in the starting eleven in the pre-season, there we might get a litle "Sketch" of what will be our team :)
Ergotelis relegated after last night's result..
First goal by Bruno was good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWropMJnyfA
My latest article. Hope you like it boys:
http://www.phantis.com/content/stavros-kontonis-greeces-own-inspector-clouseau
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Abril de 2015, 17:52
Didn't see him, only saw the first 30 mins. Lets hope he stays fit for you guys.
(https://scontent-bru.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/268068_248304665184557_5136984_n.jpg?oh=3d3ad936bc8da904ae260f9ae8cef9ed&oe=559807AE)
Samaris + Fejsa = Wall
Kontonis!
Found in No Comments thread.
(http://i.imgur.com/T9IaZuz.jpg)
Moon just now..
(http://i.imgur.com/6gD1YoB.png?1)
Gotta love Black Adder. Got it all on DVD.
At the end of every season in Greek football, 2 things happen.
1/ The teams near European places push for the teams that made it into the Europe to be removed. For example, PAS were close to securing 5th position, so two games ago - the EPO told them they would be banned from Europe due to debts.. :-X Panathinaikos and PAOK have been on the phone every day asking the EPO to throw out Olympiakos so that they can get the automatic CL spot in their place. Remember, the owner of PAO owns a television channel and some newspapers, so through those he has been pushing also.
2/ Teams that are normally relegated try and get teams that survived the relegation battle, relegated on technicalities. This year, two mainstays, Ergotelis and Levadiakos were relegated. They have obviously spoken to the EPO and now there will be meetings tomorrow to get Kerkyra and Veria chucked out the league in their place due to debts and an ongoing criminal investigation.. Details here:
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=el&tl=en&u=http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/SuperLeague/favori-gia-paramonh-levadeiakos-kai-ergotelhs.3462897.html&usg=ALkJrhjSRBVLIVdM8JZnxqfMOHCgF2wv2g
The fascinating world of Greek football.
:bow2:
Citação de: Gottschalk em 12 de Maio de 2015, 02:24
The fascinating world of Greek football.
:bow2:
Feels like home.
Panionios vs PAOK was a bizarre game on Sunday.
The ref destroyed the game by sending off the Panionios number 3 for a legitimate tackle (2nd yellow was for him complaining for the first).
So towards the end, the Panionios ball boys decided to end the game their way.. the Panionios players helped also.. :rir:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIbDo-Bhoe4
Final goal stats for the Super League:
(http://i.imgur.com/gE83f3s.png?1)
Best attacking players:
(http://i.imgur.com/9sujHkX.png?1)
"Gregão"
Veria just cleared of match fixing.
Yip seems the whole Veria bullshit was thrown out. Back to normal.
In other news, AEK taking down the steel frame walls protecting the nea filadelfeia site. They will be clearing the site so as soon as permission is given, works can begin:
(http://s2.aek365.com/uploads/articles/images/7/718655ec382ebde285797eff0dfb01c8_397204.jpg)
(http://s2.aek365.com/uploads/articles/images/c/c7906e60384b12507630cd6308cb97a5_397204.jpg)
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With AEK's win today, they are officially back the Super League for next season. It appears Iraklis will be joining them.
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In other news, Ninis is starting to get games now for PAO and some of the magic is back. In the first incredible assist he leaves Katsouranis bewildered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTIDzF3_1Zc
He have contract for next season?
Hope that the AEK stadium can exist. It will be good for greek football
Yes, Ninis signed a 2.5 year contract with PAO late last summer. Fetfatzidis will be kinda free in the summer.. I doubt Genoa paid any of the money they owe OSFP yet..
As for AEK, their squad is currently worth around €13 million. Good to know that is all you need to spend to get out of the Greece second division.. :smokin:
As for the AEK stadium, they now need only one more licence, each day there is works there now.. if built it will bring Greek football at least into 2001. If PAO modernise their stadium and PAOK enlarge and renovate the Toumba.. Greece will be a decent modern footballing country (not in reality, but he stadia will at least look good.. ;D)
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Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Maio de 2015, 23:02
As for AEK, their squad is currently worth around €13 million. Good to know that is all you need to spend to get out of the Greece second division.. :smokin:
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Any news regarding the "scandal" ?
^-^
You know how Greece is a piece of dirt country that could not organise a piss up in a brewery? Well this scandal is the same. It seems to change from day to day. I read today something about a second Veria investigation that is about to be opened! ;D Obviously they were not happy with the results of the first one!
Again, this is being done is such a amateur fashion. No one really knows what is going on.. it is like a bad episode of the X-files.
I think it should blow over.. however, hopefully now everyone is a little more scared to fix games.. the clubs doing this sort of thing were usually the smaller ones. They would fix a result and than put €100,000s on the exact scoreline at betting shops.
Anyway, it is good news AEK are back. I am pretty sure PAOK will be forced to spend more this season, or find themselves second to AEK..behind Olympiakos of course..
Savvidis the owner of PAOK said recently he wants PAOK to be a top 20 team in Europe. That quote alone will make me laugh all next season. Pontian Greeks are famous for not spending much money.. lets see how he is going make PAOK a top 20 team now they are debt free as of last week.
Around this time of year Greek teams begin to look to sign faded stars.
Essien is close to PAO.
Van de Vaart close to AEK.
Can gire something to tese teams, honestly, if they have some desire.
What a play from Ninis, can't believe a talent like him is still lost in Greece.
I agree Omar.. The problem with Ninis is that he is a sensitive man. If the coach does not believe in him, he does not push forward. When the coach says, Ninis is a starter and talented, he can do what you just saw every week.
Super talent and like the few Greeks with his ability over the years.. not a fan favorite. A lot of the blame falls to the media in Greece he made numerous campaigns against him.
Ninis was a FM wonderkid a few years ago.
It is that time of the season where I share something meaningless and ridiculous with my Portuguese friends, but also something weird and entertaining.
Every now and again a story breaks in Greece that changes the way people think... an event so important and fundamental to our lives, that it takes years.. sometimes decades to fully understand the magnitude of what we have witnessed.
Queue some Greek guy in his house in Serres killing a snake with an axe this week.. He begins: ''the cat was near.. the woman shouts snake.. I come with the axe..'' He then boasts about how he dealt with the snake - with extra 'cobra' sounds for effect. Complete bullshit news story.. went viral..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Wg7Xh3yys
Here is him in a change a clothes... Notice the 5-a-side trainers, bandanna, Frappe (sketo) etc..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNBBTRh4ONA
Of course the media and bloggers got hold of this within hours..
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A few words in English as he watches his cat eat the snake..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMSLz4LwJwY
Some more sound effects,,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA-Vty3y0Ds
Kougias is scum. I should have watched this one to see him get arrested..
AEK 1
Panaxaiki 1
Kougias is corrupt lawyer who takes everyone to court for libel. He runs his mouth off, is extremely stupid and lies 24/7. He has stated he resigning as the owner of Panaxaiki 3 times at least. He is perhaps one of the worst owners of any Greek club.
He was arrested today - he was causing trouble from the stands and the police ripped him out the stands and arrested him..
In your face you filthy piece of dirt.
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Ahah seems funny.
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
We have our own special chairmans here in Portugal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJdTdgRzr4A
But nothing like that :rir:
So many owners in Greece are dogs. Kougias is easily the worse. He just moved his club, Panaxaiki (based in Patras) to the city of Corinth... without consulting the fans... :buck2:
Anyways... AEK still chasing Orlando Sa. Also chasing Ronald Vargas. Simoes is already theirs.
PAO will give Essien a medical tonight in Athens.
Olympiacos looking for Filip Helander of Malmo and Ishak Belfodil of Parma.
PAOK want Michael Laudrup as coach as advised by their new TD.
Live feed of Essien arriving at Athens airport..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=715e0Nl-W_M
:2funny:
Belfodil would be a good signing.
Citação de: HJDK em 01 de Junho de 2015, 21:22
Belfodil would be a good signing.
What are your thoughts on him?
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Junho de 2015, 21:26
Citação de: HJDK em 01 de Junho de 2015, 21:22
Belfodil would be a good signing.
What are your thoughts on him?
Really strong in the air, he plays simple but knows hot to treat the ball as well. At last but not least he has a good killer instinct, always in the right place. Also, Lyon youth academies are world class, definitely a good background.
This season was rough because Parma, well....we all know why.
Interesting. Mitroglou is almost certainly gone and Olympiacos want to use Jara as a bargaining chip for Guido Carrillo although now it seems Monaco are the favorites. No loss, was never impressed by Carrillo.
Mitroglu would be great for us, hope Samaris gives him a call.
I know we talked about that Guido before but he doesn't look nothing special. ;D
Jara should leave, you deserve way better.
Which Oly players do you think will be more harassed this summer?
Gaitan will leave(United, Pool or Arsenal) for 30M, we got lucky that Salvio had a injury that will keep him away from the pitch for at least 3 months. He was already sold.
Citação de: HJDK em 01 de Junho de 2015, 21:46
Mitroglu would be great for us, hope Samaris gives him a call.
I know we talked about that Guido before but he doesn't look nothing special. ;D
Jara should leave, you deserve way better.
Which Oly players do you think will be more harassed this summer?
Gaitan will leave(United, Pool or Arsenal) for 30M, we got lucky that Salvio had a injury that will keep him away from the pitch for at least 3 months. He was already sold.
Gaitan is perhaps my favorite Benfica player. Will bet interesting to see who gets him. He should avoid Liverpool.
Mitroglou is yours if you want him. I am sure he would be happy to play for Benfica on Samaris' recommendation, especially as now I doubt he will go anywhere near northern Europe. It seems definite he will leave.
Jara we are looking to offload, in the same way you did us, as part of a deal for another player.
Yea Carrillo's youtube videos are probably the most underwhelming I have seen anywhere. ;D
The players who will be the hardest to keep for Olympiacos will be Masuaku, Kasami and Roberto. Possibly Benitez (Mainz after him).
Essien arrives in Athens.. I am sure he will be known as Wil I am by rival fans.. at least I will try and start that name for him.. ::)
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Simoes arrives in Athens.. he looks a bit Robert Downey Jr..
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The way he does up his jacket and holds his face reminds me also of VP..
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André Simões, that son of a bitch.
Lionel Pontes is new coach of Panaitolikos.
They are a good side that usually saturates their sides with south american players.
Essien at PAO?
If he's truly fit and not just in for a retirement on a Greek beach, it looks like a genuine step forward for the Vazeli.
If he can stay injury free, it is certainly an upgrade to their midfield.
There are lots of teams trying to take Karelis from them this summer.
Your National Team...:buck2:
Mirrors Greek society.
The team is picked through bribes and favours. MVP players like Nikos Kaltsas don't even make the squad because their agents don't offer the EPO anything. Any coach who doesn't include Vyntra, Katsouranis, Tziolis etc is soon removed and replaced with a coach who does.
Tell me HJDK, do you work in football?
No, I don't. Would like to, though.
What about the media or the fans? Do they play along with that bullshit? I mean, this is a new all time low. No players showing up in the youth teams(as far as we know, obviously) and the current generation it's pretty pathetic.
I always saw greeks as warriors and very committed people but you had Santolas for a while, maybe he contaminated your players with his boring, resigned, low ambition attitude.
Citação de: HJDK em 14 de Junho de 2015, 23:49
No, I don't. Would like to, though.
What about the media or the fans? Do they play along with that bullshit?
They play along better than Oscar nominated actors could ever do.
CitaçãoI mean, this is a new all time low. No players showing up in the youth teams(as far as we know, obviously) and the current generation it's pretty pathetic.
I always saw greeks as warriors and very committed people but you had Santolas for a while, maybe he contaminated your players with his boring, resigned, low ambition attitude.
It was rotten before Santolas, but he made it even worse. He would start 33 year olds in friendlies. Very little rotation. He would abandon game winners like Ninis and Fetfatzidis because he said they were not committed.. but seemed to admire Katsouranis walking for 90 minutes..
Greece has a few warriors, Kyriakos Papadopoulos, Xolebas, etc.. but they are either dropped or eternally injured. The rest are lazy and have so many tattoos - I am pretty sure they have some sort of blood poisoning.
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As requested, the transfer news from Greece. Not much movement yet, here are a few.
AEK:
Signed:
Rodrigo Galo
André Simões
Rumoured:
- Javi Varas
- Dušan Kuciak
- Ronald Vargas
- Orlando Sa
- João Meira
PAOK:
Signed:
Coach: Igor Tudor
Slobodan Rajković
PAO:
Signed:
Maldin Ymeraj
Jens Wemmer
Michael Essien
Robin Lod
Nikos Kaltsas
Rumoured
- Ronaldinho
- Sergio Sánchez
- Joleon Lescott
Asteras:
Signed:
Apostolos Giannou
Taxiarchis Fountas
Rachid Hamdani
Dudu
Elini Dimoutsos
Thanks, these clubs should pick many of our more than 70 players.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 22 de Junho de 2015, 13:43
Thanks, these clubs should pick many of our more than 70 players.
101 to be more precise.
Orlando Sá still playing ?
A few years ago he was the «next big thing». Another poor Portuguese striker with good press.
Seems the crisis is affecting signings - not there there is no money for signings, simply that targets are afraid of what is going on in Greece.
Seems Corfu are going to be booted out the SL for fucking around with shares.. I don't really have the energy to even care about the exact details. Seems Levadiakos and Apollon want the spot.
AEK getting the anual blessing for the new Super League season:
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will greek clubs loose competitiveness next season due to all this fuss going on? less stability, less money, less credibility, higher risk
It seems that way. The situation has put many players off coming to Greece. However, there should still be enough money to be competitive for the most part. It will be a long hard season, but it should be fun.
I read that Larissa is again in a bad situation.
Desperate. They had a massive argument and fight with the former owner who owns the new stadium. It resulted in AEL not even using their new stadium all last season and instead using their old stadium. Sadly they just got bought this week by Kougias - remember the guy who got arrested in Corinth during the game - where he was idiotically trying to relocate his club - Panaxaiki (based in Patras) to..
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Greece sometimes looks like Africa
Greeks say themselves, Greece is the only white African country in the world.
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Julho de 2015, 10:20
Greeks say themselves, Greece is the only white African country in the world.
That's funny, because Portugal has been referred to as "the only African colony in Europe" before.
Does PAO have a official youtube account? I've just searched for it and found nothing.
Btw,their official website is pathetic. Seems like something from 10 years ago :buck2:
To be honest I have never looked for or noticed it. I am pretty sure if they did have one it would just be showing a constant wallpaper of Essien's pinto 24/7.
PAOK now has a similar channel to Olympiacos - rock music with interviews and videos of the processes of the club, just like Olympiacos. I watched the live stream of their new manager Tudor (of Juventus fame) just after Marco's presentation on the Olympiacos channel and it was quite interesting. He seems a no nonsense type of guy and he is now in charge of one of the biggest nonsense clubs in Greece. He has already been shouting down players for turning up late and not showing respect. Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB3MF5JuhO8#t=2235s
Tudor punnished Lucas and Pereira for being late to practice and they refused to pay the fine. So he dropped them from the squad for their first Europa League game tomorrow. Pereira is probably the best player PAOK have. Looks like the self sabotage has started early at PAOK this season. May be hard to blame Olympiacos for this, but I am sure they will find a way.
In other news, PAO from this year onwards have Puma as their new shirt maker. Their new shirts were unveiled tonight:
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That second kit is one of the worst i've ever seen :2funny:
It will be another walk in the park for you. Can't see Paok and PAO sorting themselves out and AEK have been a lot less ambitious than I expected. Maybe because of this crisis?
AEK are owned by a Pontian Greek, like PAOK. Pontians are notorious for being the Jews of Greece. Meaning they spend less than Jewish Catalan who shops at Lidl.. Tiger is worth close to a billion euros, he simply doesn't like spending. I have no idea how rich Savvidis is, but just look at the squad of PAOK, they would be relegated in one season in the Portuguese division.
AEK I think have built an okay side, perhaps they are hoping to sneak past PAOK and PAO to get a CL spot. They are buying quite a few latin americans. I think Tiger will try and get one big buy to sell shirts. They are looking at either Scocco and Buonanotte as the big signing and sniffing round the right-back Giovanni but Fluminense may have got to him.
Alain Baroja signs a one year loan deal to AEK.
He is the starting Venezuela keeper.
There will probably be more South Americans on their way to AEK. I predict the club will probably look like a bottom half La Liga club by the end of the summer. So far..
.....................Baroja (VEN)........
Galo (BRA).. Arzo (ESP)..Lambro (GRE).. Soliedis (GRE)
Simoes (POR)...Cordero (ESP)...Johansson (SWE)
Barbosa (POR)...Aravidis (GRE)..Vargas (COL)
With Platellas (GRE), Djebbour (ALG), Mantolas (GRE), Zoric (MNE) in the running.
That diamond pattern blue kit of PAO is really ugly. Any team that dresses that way should be forbade of winning anything :D.
Good luck to your Olympiacos Faliro! Hope you have a great season mate :amigo:
Thanks mate ^^ :amigo: I wish the same for Benfica!
Will be an interesting season. Marco has to start strongly, because the owners of PAO, AEK and PAOK will not hesitate throwing games to make sure Olympiacos doesn't get the league.
Asteras new kit:
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Paok 6-0 :D
Yip, worked out for them in the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0whJLrCpVA
Markarian quit as NT coach. He cited some people sabotaging him who he didn't expect.. Everyone knows he is talking about Karagounis.
Karagounis is basically out of the NT now - but the EPO does not want to fire to him because of the compensation that they will need to pay him. So they are waiting for him to quit..
Complete chaos.
PAO vs Brugge live CL:
http://www.laola1.tv/en-int/live/panathinaikos-fc-club-brugge/364359.html
Was a mad game. Sanchez got a yellow, then the ref thought about and changed his mind and gave him a straight red. Never seen that before.
Two pens, mad game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXtwAwRpa98
Great victory for PAO with 10 men. They've given themselves a good chance of progressing against a very good Brugge team (managed by one of our best goalkeppers of all time ^-^)
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 28 de Julho de 2015, 23:55
Great victory for PAO with 10 men. They've given themselves a good chance of progressing against a very good Brugge team (managed by one of our best goalkeppers of all time ^-^)
Quite a few people in Greece remembered this keeper. I had no idea who he was.
Looking at the game it seems the fans managed to pull the team through. I thought Ninis was inspired first half. Was subbed off second due to the red card.
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Julho de 2015, 00:00
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 28 de Julho de 2015, 23:55
Great victory for PAO with 10 men. They've given themselves a good chance of progressing against a very good Brugge team (managed by one of our best goalkeppers of all time ^-^)
Quite a few people in Greece remembered this keeper. I had no idea who he was.
Looking at the game it seems the fans managed to pull the team through. I thought Ninis was inspired first half. Was subbed off second due to the red card.
You didn't know him? :o :disgust:
He was one of the best keepers of his generation.
He's a legend for us :) Unfortunately he played here in a terrible period for the club and didn't win the trophies he deserved.
I am not as worldly as you Benfiquistas! !
:coolsmiley:
Best keeper at world cup 94.
Latest storm:
Remember the match fixing claims against Olympiacos? All those were instigated by Melissanidis. Many think he is worth around €3.7 billion now.. :crazy2:
Anyways, he owns OPAP - the biggest gambling firm in Europe. Olympiacos pointed out last week - how can he own OPAP - who sponsors the Greek Super League - and AEK - who plays in the Super League..as obviously there is a conflict of interests.
So he was asked to drop one. He said no. So now it seems OPAP will not be allowed to take any bets concerning AEK! ;D
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Marco Paolo signed for Panaitolikos. He spent the last 5 years in Portugal. The club is managed by Pontes.
PAOK beat Trnava 1-0 in the Toumba last night in the Europa League quals. PAOK went down to 10 when Vitor was sent off on 3'. They played the whole game with 10 men and scored late second half.
It was very hot last night. Apparently, Trnava - who wanted the game called off - returned to Slovakia and 5 players and 3 coaching staff were hospitalised due to heat exhaustion and fever.
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Coming from Genoa, after half a season spent playing on loan for Chievo Verona, Greek international winger and half-forward Ioannis Fetfatzidis (24) has been signed by UAE side Al-Ahli on undisclosed terms.
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He isn't that good. At least he will have money and can play where his failures don't matter because the football there is too weak.
He is one of only 5 footballers of Greek descent - globally - that can trap the football in less than 5 touches. :crazy2:
Colossal waste. He is going for the money. Like Ninis and Samaras, he turned down Spanish clubs to stay in a shit club and rot. Real shame.
He is not very smart.
He hás the talent, but don't have the brain.
I agree. If he had gone somewhere other than Genoa - even to Turkey, he would have had a chance to be something. He is a precocious talent. It seems he is just another Vladamir Weiss. Just not very smart.
Most Greek footballers think Italy is the best place they can end up. What happens is the get sold into a type of human trafficking where they get loaned out every other month to someone new. This is the typical story of a Greek in Italy:
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Karagounis and Markarian sacked from the Greek national team (Markarian resigned, Karagounis had to be pushed):
http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/article/783197/telos-karagkoynis-markarian-apo-tin-ethniki
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What a shame man. From what you told us, I always thought we would be witnessing Katsouranis and Karagounis on the Greek NT in their forties. ^-^
There is still hope for Katsouranis. He wont leave the NT until someone has the guts to push him out. ;D
What is the Mitroglu's nickname?
Pistolero
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Jonas e Mitroglou: A Dupla de Pistoleiros
AEK sign Buonanotte. Good capture for Greek football.
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2015, 02:26
AEK sign Buonanotte. Good capture for Greek football.
The type of player that you like.
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Agosto de 2015, 18:39
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2015, 02:26
AEK sign Buonanotte. Good capture for Greek football.
The type of player that you like.
Lets see what he has, never seen him play before. But the statement of intent is there from AEK. They are hungry.
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Inter 0 AEK 0 (Friendly)
I can clearly see why Tiger tried so hard to get Olympiacos removed this summer and why Olympiacos made sure he lost money with OPAP losing rights over the SL. This AEK team is clearly good and capable of winning the league if Olympiacos were not in the league. Compact and clever team Tiger has built full of Latin flavour. Inter looked toothless.
.............Baroja
Galo..Arzo..Tzan..Didac
...........Johansson
.....Simoes......Anakoglou
Vargas......................Barbosa
...............Aravidis
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3618457.ece/BINARY/original/1292300.jpg)
Ratings:
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MitroGOAAALLLL!!!
Atromitos robbed by an Italian referee tonight. Should have had 2 pens against fener and fener's goal was a foul. Disgrace.
PAOK won 5-0 and missed a pen and PAO got a miserable 0-0.
Azeri football improved a lot. That result isn't that bad for Panathinaikos.
Paok is on fire. Tudor <3
Citação de: Covenant em 21 de Agosto de 2015, 01:39
Azeri football improved a lot. That result isn't that bad for Panathinaikos.
Paok is on fire. Tudor <3
What measures did the Azerbaijan football federation implement?
AEK vs Platanias in 10 minutes.
There first Super league game after there two year absence.
Team:
Alain Baroja
Aristides Soiledis
Vangelis Platellas
Jakob Johansson
Christos Aravidis
Dimitrios Kolovetsios
Adam Tzanetopoulos
Ronald Vargas
Rafik Djebbour
Rodrigo Galo
Andre Simoes
substitute players :
Vassilios Lambropoulos
Helder Barbosa
Dimitris Anakoglou
Dimitrios Grontis
Giannis Anestis
Macauley Chrisantus
Diego Buonanotte
Platanias:
Kevin Olimpa
Yaya Banana
Ousmane Coulibaly
Vanderson
Yevhen Selin
Filip Stanisavljevic
Ognjen Gnjatic
Konstantinos Mendrinos
Azrach-Yassine Mahamat
Gilvan
Igor Angulo
Good victory for AEK.
Yip they are back. The league is far more competitive now. Also Iraklis were back today after a 54 month absence. They won also.
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Agosto de 2015, 22:31
Yip they are back. The league is far more competitive now. Also Iraklis were back today after a 54 month absence. They won also.
How is Aris?
Citação de: Festivus em 21 de Agosto de 2015, 01:51
Citação de: Covenant em 21 de Agosto de 2015, 01:39
Azeri football improved a lot. That result isn't that bad for Panathinaikos.
Paok is on fire. Tudor <3
What measures did the Azerbaijan football federation implement?
Money is the answer. Baku is a rich place and the are some clubs that can pay for good south american players.
In Kazakhstan is the same.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 22 de Agosto de 2015, 22:47
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Agosto de 2015, 22:31
Yip they are back. The league is far more competitive now. Also Iraklis were back today after a 54 month absence. They won also.
How is Aris?
As we speak trying to negotiate their way out the 3rd division where they were put because of debts. They came second in their group so missed promotion but they are begging the epo to throw someone out of league two so they can take their place. ..
What a goal from Rodrigo Galo :o
He is talented. Good at defending too.
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Agosto de 2015, 16:55
He is talented. Good at defending too.
I knew he was good but couldn't imagine him doing something like that ;D
Hope AEK do well. Looks like Paok will be stronger too,which would make things more interesting. Olympiakos should still come out on top
PAO won tonight 1-2 at Panaitolikos.
This will be a very bitchy league. All three Athens giants won on round 1. Table:
(http://i.imgur.com/F1W6nFP.png?1)
How's Marco handling the pressure at Piraeus?
Perfectly.
Every PAO and AEK fan is saying Olympiacos bought the first game and paid the ref because they say Durmaz controlled the ball with his arms first goal. For me it was not handball - but their journalists and foreign born fans are going wild. Here is the goal:
http://gazzetta.novasports.gr/VideoId/25260/
Vazelos knocked out tonight by an Azerbaijani team with a squad worth less than half PAO's value. fans attacked Sanchez and Nano after the final whistle.
Oh wait, it seems PAO made it..
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:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Thoughts on the EL groups?
PAOK is an unknown quantity (virtually a new squad and new manager) but has a earth shatteringly bad defence. They got the lowest 2 teams from the lowest two pots - including the Azeris that knocked out Pana. I don't see many points, but I could be wrong. Second is doable, but it will be a very big struggle.
Asteras has the best technical team in Greece and usually builds very good South American/Latin dominated sides who know how to score. Will be curious to see how they get along as they sold Barralles - their best striker 2 weeks ago. They tried to get Erik Moreno from Braga as a replacement - a player I rate - but it seems the deal is off.
I think both teams will struggle but Asteras can be the best one to watch. If PAOK can build up an angry head of steam with some victories - they may make it out the groups.
Aris lost their appeal. They stay in the third division.
Really sad in a away. Super fans, super stadium in a country that needs them in the top league. Shitty management.
Hopefully AEL Larissa will make it into the top league next year. They have a great new stadium and passionate fans.
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Agosto de 2015, 11:15
Perfectly.
Every PAO and AEK fan is saying Olympiacos bought the first game and paid the ref because they say Durmaz controlled the ball with his arms first goal. For me it was not handball - but their journalists and foreign born fans are going wild. Here is the goal:
http://gazzetta.novasports.gr/VideoId/25260/
It's not a handball.
People need to calm down.
You are welcome on that forum if you ever get bored here. O0
Pontes, manager of Panaitokios, does what many teams - including European teams - have failed to do. Win in Tripoli against Asteras:
http://www.novasports.gr/web-tv/on-demand-player/video/25444/asteras-tripolis-panaitolikos-0-2-hl/
PAOK sign Berbatov - big signing for them. They removed half their squad to free up wages for this guy. Pereyra, Salpigidis, Rat, etc all gone.
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Setembro de 2015, 10:19
PAOK sign Berbatov - big signing for them. They removed half their squad to free up wages for this guy. Pereyra, Salpigidis, Rat, etc all gone.
How many years?
The league is getting better. So thats nice1
1 year contract.
Just heard about Markousis. So sad. :(
Very sad.
Berba presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znwgclqatKg
Another disgraceful result? What happened ?
How did Samaris and Mitroglou play ?
Everyone was poor. Disastrous football. 3 shots on target in 94 minutes.
karnezis 5 - punched Kyriakos' head in on a clearance and was mediocre.
Sokratis 5 - average.
Kyriakos 6 - strong.
Xolebas 8 - MOM - best player. Attacking and defending with skill.
Vyntra 3 - EPO selection, no business being i the team.
Tziolis 2 - EPO selection, no business being in the team.
Samaris 4 - no much of anything as usual for the NT.
Karelis 1 - nearly everytime he had the ball, he shot. All his shots were miles over the bar except one that was straight at the keeper.
Aravidis 1 - didn't even notice him.
Fortounis 4 - you can see he wants o believe he is special, but there is not much there.
Mitroglou 4 - good hold up play, but nothing much of anything.
When you get beat 1-0 at home by the Faroe Islands you know your team ain't gonna have a good campaign. :-X
You have some good players:
Manolas, Sokratis, Papadopoulos, Torosidis, Holebas, Mitroglou, Samaris, etc.
They should have done more !
Citação de: Blitzer em 05 de Setembro de 2015, 16:21
When you get beat 1-0 at home by the Faroe Islands you know your team ain't gonna have a good campaign. :-X
You have some good players:
Manolas, Sokratis, Papadopoulos, Torosidis, Holebas, Mitroglou, Samaris, etc.
They should have done more !
Most of the good players are defenders. Upfront they lack quality.
Having said that,it still should be enough to beat teams like Finland and Faroe Islands.
Benfiquista has nailed it.
Greece only has 3 players that can trap the ball with one touch. Xolebas, Fetfatzidis and Ninis. All 3 are hated by the fans and general media. Ninis and Fetfa didn't even play.
Now Ninis and Fetfa are not world beaters, but they can pass and move. Tziolis, Kone, Lazarus, Karelis, Aravidis, Fountas, Taxi, etc can't.
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Setembro de 2015, 00:29
Benfiquista has nailed it.
Greece only has 3 players that can trap the ball with one touch. Xolebas, Fetfatzidis and Ninis. All 3 are hated by the fans and general media. Ninis and Fetfa didn't even play.
Now Ninis and Fetfa are not world beaters, but they can pass and move. Tziolis, Kone, Lazarus, Karelis, Aravidis, Fountas, Taxi, etc can't.
You have to ask Spanoulis to switch sports and be your number 10.
Spanoulis has talent - He would be good at most contact sports..
Lazaros, Aravidis kone, Tziolis, Vyntra, Karelis and friends can't even control a football when it is passed to them. They are 3rd division Portuguese players - if that. Completely lacking in skill and ability.
many Greeks have said it. Even a team like Platanias or Panthrakikos could probably beat the Greek NT.
The EPO (Greek FA) sells caps to highest bidders. They deal directly with the players agents. That is why the best Greek footballer did not play today - Kyriakos Papadopoulos. He is not willing to buy a cap off the EPO.
Aris lost their appeal. They stay in third division.
The rebuilding has started.
Just signed Andreas Tatos (ex OSFP), Gaël N'Lundulu, Xavier Ginard Torres, Raul Bravo (ex OSFP), Dounis (ex AEK), Rovas (ex AEK) among others. Anastopoulos as coach also.
They'll be back soon hopefully.
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Fetfatzidis scoring the same type of goals he did in Italy and Greece in the Emirates.. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-qRgun9ZVg
Panionios 1
PAO 0
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Panionios demolished them. Panionios started with 10 Greeks in the starting 11. The only foreigner was Boumale who speaks fluent Greek. Ref was perfect - Vazelos don't know who to blame because Alafouzos is not responsible for anything bad that happens.
Panionios decided that the total gate receipts for today's game will be given to the players for playing so well.
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AEK 3
PAS 1
Diego Buonanotte just formerly introduced himself to AEK and the Super League with 2 goals.
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I know I go on about this, but how fascinating.. Karipidis was voted in as Aris director of football (by the amatuer fans) and he has just bought a team that would challenge the top 5 in the Super League.. even though they are in the 3rd division! Karapidis gave a big interview. He revealed his favorite team is Olympiacos! That he is going to sell Veria to the Chinese and that he believes Aris has no ceiling in potential! He also has bad blood with Savvidis (Russian Greek PAOK owner).
Buonanotte <3 I think that the kid is your type, Faliro.
Citação de: Covenant em 14 de Setembro de 2015, 15:02
Buonanotte <3 I think that the kid is your type, Faliro.
He may be able to find himself in Greece. AEK fans really give many of their talented players the boost they need to make it big. Their two starting CBs are 23 and 20. In the past they played many teenagers as starters and their values skyrocketed.
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Setembro de 2015, 15:23
Citação de: Covenant em 14 de Setembro de 2015, 15:02
Buonanotte <3 I think that the kid is your type, Faliro.
He may be able to find himself in Greece. AEK fans really give many of their talented players the boost they need to make it big. Their two starting CBs are 23 and 20. In the past they played many teenagers as starters and their values skyrocketed.
What about Larissa?
It turns out last week that the former owner of AEL had still not transferred his shares to Kougias (the former owner of Panaxaiki). However I think Kougias (Lawyer but really a corrupt idiot) is now in control of the club (but in Greece you never know who owns what the reason Kerkyra FC (Corfu) were banned this year).
The Championship has not started yet but AEL are looking to win the league and get back into the Super League. They really should be there with Aris. Aris has not lost a European game at home since the 1960s! Big clubs. AEL are the only non Athens/Salonika club to have won the league.
So it's very possible to have all the biggest clubs in the super league by 2017? And it looks like Iraklis is getting their shit together.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 14 de Setembro de 2015, 23:21
So it's very possible to have all the biggest clubs in the super league by 2017? And it looks like Iraklis is getting their shit together.
It is possible - I remember the year Greece had 6 teams in Europe and most the big teams were in the league! Since then most of them were relegated due to debts. In 2017 we could have all the big boys back together and the league will be great.. Aris/ PAOK/ Iraklis/ AEL/ AEK/ OSFP/ PAO - plus Asteras, Xanthi, Panaitolikos, Panionios, Atromitos and perhaps OFI or Ergotelis - that is a very fun league to watch with some good stadiums.
I think Iraklis will struggle because their owner spent very little money on them this summer. Spyros Papathanasakis is the owner - he is a Canadian and took over in 2014. He recently signed or tried to sign a deal with...Turkish Airlines to sponsor the team.. So he is short of cash we can gather.. :disgust: ;D They have the fans.. just need some serious brains (the type Panionios and Asteras have for example). Also the Iraklis stadium is very soulless - they had plans to build a new one at Mikra (their training centre) but ran out of money.
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vT1_Il_6Okw/hqdefault.jpg)
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They have one of the lowest budgets so we will have to see. They lost tonight at home to Levadiakos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwzYBIqytdo
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Setembro de 2015, 23:38
Thank you.
It seems you have a lot of problem with good stadiuns down there, how is the construction of AEK stadium going? And what about PAO? They will remain in Leoforos? Did they make any improvement? The PAOK renovation plan?
PAOK plans involve a total renovation of the stadium and lowering the pitch (the Toumba was originally an Olympic style stadium) to increase the capacity to perhaps 33k - 35k. Here is their plan. The club is now officially debt free from this summer so Savvidis now has no excuses not to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bza_mEkYALg
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PAO are owned by an exceptionally tight owner, so I see no chance of anything, they will stay at the Leoforo and even that stadium wont be renovated or increased in capacity until someone comes in with money and takes over the club. Their massive project at Votanikos by Portuguese architect Manuel Salgado was abandoned due to money problems. PAO still carry a lot of debt. Here was the Votanikos project. It was supposed to be 42,000 seats with a Basket ball arena thrown in!
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Finally we get to AEK. There are a few more consultations to go through and Melissanidis despite being worth over $3 billion... still wants someone else to put around 20 million into the stadium.
Interestingly the new owner/ operator? of Aris - Karapidis says he will increase the capacity of the Aris stadium. This can be done because one of the stands is ridiculous. The Aris stadium is one one of the hottest in Europe. Probably why no European club has beat them there in over 40 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ndV-zZRVCA
The project at Votanikos is from 2007/2008, Roght? I remember seeing that render in 2010/2011, it's a great project indeed.
How many games had Aris played for europeans competition in that stadium?
That video is very famous.
Believe it or not that was a friendly welcome to Boca!
The intense pyrotechnics are reserved for derbies like against PAOK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZczzHZnqsY
The PAO stadium at Votanikos could still be built, just needs money. Here is the final project complete with steep seating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV_wTeNiZGs
For me the new Leoforo project is far better but sadly is impossible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_4o3ySuy-g
Aris record of being unbeaten in Europe for over 40 years is a remarkable one. I think it is 26 games according to Wiki:
(http://i.imgur.com/YLEOmfL.png?1)
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I have seen some games betwen Aris and PAOK, i know how is the atomesphere during the games. I believe you, just wanted to know the stats and i knew that we got our taste.
I think PAO should keep the project and when they have money they can build it, for now Leforos is ok for them. The capacity is still at 17k?
Even less probably. Just under 16,000. The Votanikos project is not going anywhere. The whole project was connected to a shopping mall that went bankrupt and was never finished.
Votanikos is the old semi abandoned factory district of Athens and very central. It is a massive quadrant. I believe the part in green was where the stadium and mall (partly completed) would be:
(http://www.dimand.gr/images/Regeneration/Votanikos/4.JPG)
Something very funny happened today.
Panathinaikos' big signing, Essien is yet to play a minute for Panathinaikos. He came injured. Had surgery. Recovered. Then said he felt discomfort and was sidelined again. The vazelos fans have been really upset by this car crash marquee signing. He was supposed to be fit for this week but left training saying he didn't feel right. He was stopped by Police on Saturday night on the Attiki Odos and gave a positive sample for alcohol! :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: Panathinaikos are denying the samply he gave was positive and are viciously attacking the police who says he was positive and was fined..
Old habits die hard I spose..
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Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Setembro de 2015, 14:29
Something very funny happened today.
Panathinaikos' big signing, Essien is yet to play a minute for Panathinaikos. He came injured. Had surgery. Recovered. Then said he felt discomfort and was sidelined again. The vazelos fans have been really upset by this car crash marquee signing. He was supposed to be fit for this week but left training saying he didn't feel right. He was stopped by Police today on the Attiki Odos and gave a positive sample for alcohol! :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Old habits die hard I spose..
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PAO really are the Sporting of Greece. ::bater::
PAOK's new kits. WTF to the second one. :huh:
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Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Setembro de 2015, 10:59
PAOK's new kits. WTF to the second one. :huh:
(http://wcdn.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/default/public/article/2015-09/12028964_10153341727559737_236736768_n.jpg?itok=qblCKiwa)
Ladies with army uniform fetish will be very happy.
Not just the ladies ^^ :police:
PAOK 2
AEK 1
Was not streamed anywhere but seemed a real tough game. Both teams went full attack. Simoes got his knee smashed in apparently. Here is the goal of Gary Rodrigues, should work if you click on the play button:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4owpIEfnKq0
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Setembro de 2015, 21:19
Not just the ladies ^^ :police:
PAOK 2
AEK 1
Was not streamed anywhere but seemed a real tough game. Both teams went full attack. Simoes got his knee smashed in apparently. Here is the goal of Rodrigues, should work if you click on the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4owpIEfnKq0
In good portuguese:
Chupa, boi!
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Simoes injury - could be serious:
https://vine.co/v/ePEgX0AHQr2/embed
All goals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=3&v=31BYpur-tEQ
Katsouranis retired today:
(http://i.imgur.com/UScEafE.png?1)
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Setembro de 2015, 22:28
Katsouranis retired today:
(http://i.imgur.com/UScEafE.png?1)
http://bp0.blogger.com/_BO4Yd4VHu8g/R4AYOlDYE_I/AAAAAAAAD1U/9IZAdTFrILQ/s320/luis%C3%A3o+katsouranis.bmp
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2178/2169786387_fcf5b1df72.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2287/2170581972_c3fd4fa879.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b246/pobodonorte1/katso_luisao_dedoth.jpg
:D
How is Pelkas doing at PAOK ?
Recently made his debut in the national team and, in the last match, played the full 90 minutes against Hungary.
He was one of the highlights of V. Setúbal despite his short stint at Tugão.
He is a great example of how stupid Greeks are. O0 O0
I followed him in Portugal with thanks to the Benfiquistas on here.
When he came back to Greece this season the PAOK fans didn't even remember who he was. He started to play a few games and was MVP and the PAOK fans (true Greek style) were like, 'he thinks he is all that - he has proved nothing, he needs to pass more' etc etc - ad infinitum.. Tudor started to play him every game and he soon became their best player. Tudor even complained when Pelkas was not selected for the NT the games before the last batch, saying that if he was Croatian he would have got a call up.
Since then Pelkas plays a little less as many think he is selfish and arrogant..
He was unlucky not to score vs Hungary, was a highly entertaining game.
Faliro,what do you have to say about this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYPt6XjsRS4
:rir:
What I see nothing wrong with this. I watched the video yesterday. That is normal procedure - chuck the player on a broken stretcher like he is decapitated zombie and then drop him on the side of the pitch while complaining to the medic that it was a waste of time.. :estrelas:
I would tell you if ever Benfica play Larissa at the AEL Arena- I think it is best you ensure before kick off that if one of your players gets injured - you will not be requiring those two Neanderthals to carry him off the pitch like he is a sack of rotting potatoes. What is funny about the whole thing - as always - is the accompanying Greek commentary: 'Now.. that is not a very good picture..definitely.... not a very good picture..'
Full video.. comic..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=22&v=QwZxf-VBpDs
Oh c'mon, he was only trying to rape him.
AEK in melt down after Olympiacos hammered them 4-0 and Marinakis called Melissandis a fraud.
They just sacked Dellas their coach. IMO he was an extremely poor coach.
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Outubro de 2015, 22:03
AEK in melt down after Olympiacos hammered them 4-0 and Marinakis called Melissandis a fraud.
They just sacked Dellas their coach. IMO he was an extremely poor coach.
Traianos Dellas? If it's him, he deserves to get shot by a Czech guy.
Gus Poyet to be the new coach of AEK ?
I like him. Could be a really good appointment for them.
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 29 de Outubro de 2015, 01:16
Gus Poyet to be the new coach of AEK ?
I like him. Could be a really good appointment for them.
I agree will be a massive coup for AEK and Greek football. Seems he is likely to be the new coach.
In the UK he was seen as the crazy one. In Greece, he will be for the first time the 'normal one.' He watched AEK's game against Xanthi in the Cup in the hotel tonight in Athens..
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/15/10/28/200304.jpg)
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Skibbe appointed Greek national coach.
His CV is massive.
1 Turkish Super Cup.
It's official.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSfDjgQXAAA94ux.jpg)
Was harsh on Dellas,after promoting them back to the first division,but Poyet is a good appointment
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3746750.ece/BINARY/w620/poyet1.jpg)
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Panathinaikos 0-0 AEK
Watched this one. AEK were far better. At the end of the game there were massive chants against Alafouzos and Anastasiou.
Faliro, what's Oly record concerning consecutive wins in the League?
I am not sure on that one HJDK. However this should answer it perhaps:
(http://i.imgur.com/rzxQ2Fo.png?1)
Concerning the CL I imagine Silva has either already broken the record for consecutive group games or is about to with the game against Dinamo. I also think he has probably broken the record for consecutive CL away victories.
You guys have 9 victories in 9 games. If that's not a record it must be pretty close. I wonder how far will this run go.
I hope a solid win against Zagreb. Hate them.
That "Longest Sequence of Wins" probably has Cup games and Uefa Cup or something.
I think that was just a record win.
I think the record is 16. Achievable but it wont be easy. Every time a Greek side plays us they go all out, double footed challenges, fouls, everything to beat us. However if we hold our nerve and Silva keeps the formula, he will break many records this season.
Citação de: HJDK em 02 de Novembro de 2015, 15:29
That "Longest Sequence of Wins" probably has Cup games and Uefa Cup or something.
Must do, was a very different time, 18 teams in the league would have helped, must be including Cup as you said (notice Cypriot giants Omonia in the league as well):
(http://i.imgur.com/7bw4G24.png?1)
Anastasiou of PAO sacked, although according to the latest poll, most blame correctly.. Alafouzos..
(http://i.imgur.com/MoBOkQp.png?1)
President
Coach
Players
?
Citação de: Covenant em 02 de Novembro de 2015, 18:44
President
Coach
Players
?
'I Fyssas - Vokolos'
Takis Fyssas & Leonidas Vokolos - the PAO '''technical team''' that decided to blow all their money on Essien - who is yet to play one minute.. and Sanchez - who has all the skill and pace of a dying water-buffalo..
Yeah, it's Fyssas, my bad ;D
Bento for PAO?
(http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41725&d=1431299649)
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Novembro de 2015, 22:09
Bento for PAO?
(http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=41725&d=1431299649)
Some of our fans in this forum have been requesting him to substitute Vitória, so... :tomates: :estrelas:
Bentos safe..
Alafouzos picked a coach who has never coached a club..Paunović
NOOOO
The club is just pathetic.
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Novembro de 2015, 12:42
The club is just pathetic.
But won the world cup under 20. :p
The previous coach before Panathinaikos has never coached too.
Yip, Anastasiou was €300,000 per season.
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Novembro de 2015, 12:10
Bentos safe..
Alafouzos picked a coach who has never coached a club..Paunović
Fake
Yip, apparently he did not want PAO..
Apparently. He wants more money than PAO are offering. I think PAO will back down and give him what he wants to end the farce..
Luxemburg 1
Greece 0
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2015, 21:07
Luxemburg 1
Greece 0
What about the whole France thing. Crazy.
Completely expected. When you have over 4 million sunnis in your country with statistics showing that anywhere between 10% and 50% of them have 'sympathy' for terrorism - it is just a problem waiting to explode.
France is an ultra weak socialist state with a Government that arms and then bombs different Jihadists depending on which week it is. They need to copy Spain and leave the region alone. They are boxing above their weight to sit at the big table with the bog boys - UK, USA etc. France is a fragile and weak country with no money - the fact it spends 100s of millions of taxpayers money on bombing and arming different Jihadists is a sham.
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Today we have the Derby of the eternal enemies ! :D
Panathinaikos - Olympiakos (17h30)
Live pictures of the vazelos attacking police:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/15/11/21/173209.jpg)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/15/11/21/181228.jpg)
Game called off before it could begin.
Some of the most horrific and violent scenes seen in Greece for well over a decade.
The violence outside the stadium was on an unprecedented scale. The violence with - horror movie stuff.
Panathinaikos - the club that complains about other clubs more than any other - once again proves it is a disgrace.
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/article3782575.ece/BINARY/w620/1349203.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/AzQcs1s.png?1)
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3782914.ece/BINARY/original/image.jpg)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/15/11/21/205537.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3783175.ece/BINARY/original/image.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3783190.ece/BINARY/original/image.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzAuQxNmL_w
I betted on Oly. Hope it doesn't fuck up my bet or I could get my money back.
Olympiacos should get the points for what happened - like last year.
Your betting company should refund the money immediately.
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Novembro de 2015, 20:45
Olympiacos should get the points for what happened - like last year.
Your betting company should refund the money immediately.
Yeah but this is Portugal and, brace yourself, the "online" betting is...on paper..:buck2:
Well even so they should give you your money back.
As for the events, truly shocking, even for Greece. Many neutral Greek papers are calling panathinaikos fans kitten Jihadists, Kafirs and ISIS13.
Truly a real disgrace.
PAO is a disgrace.
Faliro, any date for the match?
Harry R. Scrack, York, United Kingdom, about 4 hours ago
On this weekend when leagues across Europe are showing solidarity with their French neighbours, it's nice to know we can rely on the Greeks to keep things normal and carry on throwing missiles at each other.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3328800/Athens-derby-Panathinaikos-league-leaders-Olympiacos-called-violent-clashes-flares-thrown-pitch.html#ixzz3sEJrpttA
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:2funny:
Citação de: HJDK em 22 de Novembro de 2015, 14:11
Faliro, any date for the match?
It wont be played. Olympiacos will be given the points most likely. PAO will have a heavy punishment - hopefully the point reduction will keep them out of Europe.
They are already working 24 hours a day trying to blame the referee, Olympiacos and corruption saying their fans had no choice but to destroy Athens and attack police before the game and destroy the stadium and attack police after the game was called off.
Just like Islamists - the excuses are already there before the first bomb goes off..
Iraklis 1
Panathinaikos 0
HT
:estrelas:
FT Iraklis win.
Nice to see their fans out also, a once very proud club doing well this season.
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3794266.ece/BINARY/original/1354907.jpg)
(http://www.contra.gr/Soccer/Hellas/Superleague/article3794182.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/vellios1.jpg)
Faliros, you should start to intervene more in the other threads.
Just turn on an automatic translator or something.
Besides that, you should consider coming to Lisbon for a trip and meet up with the rest of us!
SUCAEK MY DICK
KINGDOM OF PORTUGAL
Citação de: Jotenko em 30 de Novembro de 2015, 14:44
SUCAEK MY DICK
KINGDOM OF PORTUGAL
Jotenko, you're a faggot.
PAO got 4 matches behind closed doors, 190,000 fine, -3 points and the game was awarded to Olympiacos 0-3.
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Dezembro de 2015, 01:49
PAO got 4 matches behind closed doors, 190,000 fine, -3 points and the game was awarded to Olympiacos 0-3.
12 wins in the first 12 games. All-time record for Marco. :bow2:
AEK sniffing around a Benfica legend.
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Aek/sth-gwnia-gia-karntoso.3800533.html
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2015, 19:05
AEK sniffing around a Benfica legend.
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Aek/sth-gwnia-gia-karntoso.3800533.html
Fuck off, AEK.
Citação de: HJDK em 03 de Dezembro de 2015, 19:10
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2015, 19:05
AEK sniffing around a Benfica legend.
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Aek/sth-gwnia-gia-karntoso.3800533.html
Fuck off, AEK.
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2015, 19:16
Citação de: HJDK em 03 de Dezembro de 2015, 19:10
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2015, 19:05
AEK sniffing around a Benfica legend.
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Aek/sth-gwnia-gia-karntoso.3800533.html
Fuck off, AEK.
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
I read the coments, with the translator ofcourse, is Cardozo that known in Greece? :huh:
Of course he is. The only race that gamble more than the Greeks are the Chinese. No one who has scored as many goals as Cardozo goes unnoticed in a country like Greece.
BTW the owner of AEK is now worth over 3 billion euros. If Cardozo likes Greece the deal is already done.
Unless we grab him first, even tho we dont need him. :tomates:
Faliro. Today in class, we watched these two videos about the dispute between Greece and FYR Macedonia about the name "Macedonia" and Alexander the Great's place of birth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eL81t_OwdM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWIKDhhTvnU
What's your input on this? :p
Citação de: Festivus em 07 de Dezembro de 2015, 20:48
Faliro. Today in class, we watched these two videos about the dispute between Greece and FYR Macedonia about the name "Macedonia" and Alexander the Great's place of birth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eL81t_OwdM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWIKDhhTvnU
What's your input on this? :p
Well you probably know me quite well by now and know I have no romanticism about Greeks. It is the opposite. As a partial outsider - I have no fear describing the less attractive parts of the culture and people. In fact - I revel in it. Not like some demented leftist who believes any national pride is abhorrent - but simply because I enjoy analysing everything about Greece. I fell in love with the place as a boy - but the people - I have very little time for.
Concerning this dispute with FYROM. The whole thing is a result of Greek weakness and leftism in Greece. For example - say you have sister - and everyday she starts smashing up the apartment in which your whole family live because she is unhappy. Immediately or sooner rather than later - a family member will reprimand her. However, there are families who will let her do what she wants ad infinitum - simply because she is the younger sister - and we all feel sorry for her for example. As soon as this sister realises she can get away with murder and will not be punished unlike the other brothers and sisters - she may become even more mental - attacking family members - the neighbours etc.
This sister is FYROM. These people are 100% pure Bulagrians who no one wanted. They were offered to Greece by Tito but Greece refused. So - Tito created a pseudo state named Macedonia - in the hope of one day claiming a Greek port and thus an important Mediterranean port. Greeks from day one found this country's invented language, invented history and aggression abhorrent. But you know what Greeks did about it? Nothing. The less Greeks did, the more enabled and viscous this little country became.
Are these people ancient Macedonians? Nope. They are slavs who came down to region in the middle ages and who the Byzantines documented and converted to Christianity each step of the way. Are they Bulgarians? 100%. Do they have ambitions of Northern Greece? Everyday they get upset that Northern Greece is not part of their project. Were they ever a majoirty in the region? Never.
These slavic people are simply the result of irreversible Ottoman policies and Greek neglect. Are they smart? Smarter than Greeks yes - but that is not saying much. The whole thing is a nightmare - but a very good lesson in life. When someone acts mental and aggressive - ignoring them is not always the best option, especially if they share a border with you. Greece should have wiped that country off the map decades ago - but Greece is so submissive since WW2 - it was never going to happen. FYROM will continue to insult Bulgaria, Albania and Greece - and those 3 countries will continue to shake their heads and throw insults back..
When you reward insecurity - you enable aggression.The Dog Whisperer
Same applies to humans and countries.
Big win from PAOK!
Incredible. Was another Tottenham job. Very impressive.
A few of you were curious about whatever happened to Larissa, aka AEL..aka.. you get the idea of Greek football club naming conventions.. :-X
Anyways, they have a new - dangerous and stupid owner - but one who will probably get them back into the SL next year. They played AEK in the cup today - in their empty stadium arena due to fan violence punishment. AEK won 0-5 - Buonanotte's second was nice..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItgechbTSqo
Panthakikos 1
PAO 0
Knock out.
AEK 1
Levadiakos 2
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV_5czJf0PM
Looks like Ninis is done at PAO. Stramaccioni is clearly not a fan. PAO may also lose Karelis.
You are the only fan of Ninis.
In the land of the blind the one-eyed is king.
There are only a handful of players of Greek origin that can trap a football. Karelis' muscles and Lazarus' speed are nice etc, but don't make the difference considering they run the ball out if play most the time.
He is done man.
So the round up. Psomiadis AKA Big Mak died today aged 60. Former president of AEK and cult criminal match fixer who did a while in prison. Too many crazy stories about this gentleman. And to think, he was the son of priest.. same old story..
(http://www.balkaninside.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Makis-Psomiadis.jpg)
In other news, PAO have signed 2 Under 21 Brazilian internationals. Lucas Evangelista and Yuri Mamute
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Janeiro de 2016, 19:17
So the round up. Psomiadis AKA Big Mak died today aged 60. Former president of AEK and cult criminal match fixer who did a while in prison. Too many crazy stories about this gentleman. And to think, he was the son of priest.. same old story..
(http://www.balkaninside.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Makis-Psomiadis.jpg)
In other news, PAO have signed 2 Under 21 Brazilian internationals. Lucas Evangelista and Yuri Mamute
Loans?
Yes both loans.
Interesting lately to note that a former player of AEK, Tsiartas, is putting the club in a difficult position concerning Tzanetopoulos - the 20 year old talented CB of AEK. Tsiartas is his agent and Sevilla made an offer for the player.. however AEK declined, but the CB has not signed a new contract meaning he could go for free.. Interesting because Tsiartas was considered a traitor by many AEK fans for refusing a pay cut when they were broke..
Makes me laugh that he is always annoying AEK and yet.. even though I am an Olympiacos fan (Gottshalk if you are reading.. ;D), Tsiartas is easily the player I admired most of greek origin. For me to this day, he is easily the most talented player of Greek origin I have ever seen. Perhaps one of the best dead ball specialists I have seen of any origin. Tsiartas.. I remember I asked my cousin to buy me your shirt when i was younger. He bought me your shirt..I still have it...black Nike AEK away kit.. then when he found out I was Olympiacos years later, my cousin never really spoke to me again! :tickedoff:
This is for you buddy. Arrogant, some say lazy! For me the most naturally talented and gifted Greek player to ever play and a pleasure to watch. Never fully appreciated and playing a style of 10 that seems to have died in the modern game. I hope you enjoy the goals and the second video you can see the interview where he speaks flawless Spanish and describes his career at Sevilla.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVS_l_ME9Bo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7pOvqddoTU
This final video shows how precise he was with his freekicks..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMJI3PcHQU8
Ninis to Charleroi.
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/sumfwnise-me-sarleroua-o-ninis-pic/3136124
Karelis to Genk. Scored with his first touch a magnificent goal.
https://youtu.be/yP7j1fb8K-I
Ukra from Rio Ave to AEK.
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Janeiro de 2016, 11:42
Ukra from Rio Ave to AEK.
I though AEK's project was more ambitious
Ukra is a midtable player.
Bizarre signing. Just to repeat the facts, AEK are second and could get into the CL next season. The owner is worth over €3 billion... and then we hear about Ukra.. doesn't fit...
Is one player close to Seba, in terms of quality.
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Janeiro de 2016, 13:32
Bizarre signing. Just to repeat the facts, AEK are second and could get into the CL next season. The owner is worth over €3 billion... and then we hear about Ukra.. doesn't fit...
Maybe the AEK owner is investing on the entertainment industry and is trying to please the fans off the pitch. Check this out to understand the extent of what I`m saying:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rz6bIQwRbc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rz6bIQwRbc)
https://www.instagram.com/ukra17/ (https://www.instagram.com/ukra17/)
Ukra is a one of the great characters in tugão. And that is not by any means, an easy feature to accomplish. Pure comedy gold.
Is that actually Ukra in the thong. ^
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Janeiro de 2016, 14:37
Is that actually Ukra. ^
The real deal :2funny:
Check out the instagram link I provided and scroll down a few dozen pictures for some laughs.
How our shadows undestand us (that`s his girlfriend)
https://www.instagram.com/p/4cSe3mjLtL/?taken-by=ukra17 (https://www.instagram.com/p/4cSe3mjLtL/?taken-by=ukra17)
Pre season. New acquisition. Teammate to share the room.
https://www.instagram.com/p/44Fo0SDLuv/?taken-by=ukra17 (https://www.instagram.com/p/44Fo0SDLuv/?taken-by=ukra17)
WOW, Kontonis, Sports Minister has just banned Gate 13 of PAO attending games for the rest of the season!! PAO are going ballistic.
Also Ergotelis went into liquidation today and ceased to exist. They could not find a new owner after their last one died. They are currently in the 2nd division but will now be removed.
Citação de: lost_paradise em 19 de Janeiro de 2016, 14:51
How our shadows undestand us (that`s his girlfriend)
https://www.instagram.com/p/4cSe3mjLtL/?taken-by=ukra17 (https://www.instagram.com/p/4cSe3mjLtL/?taken-by=ukra17)
Pre season. New acquisition. Teammate to share the room.
https://www.instagram.com/p/44Fo0SDLuv/?taken-by=ukra17 (https://www.instagram.com/p/44Fo0SDLuv/?taken-by=ukra17)
His gf has quite a big ass.
Levadia snowed under. Looks like yet another game will be cancelled because of snow..
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/01/20/121813.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
AEK vs PAOK live stream:
http://olympiakos-live.gr/streaming/Aek-Paok
AEK win 1-0. As I predicted, AEK would be ahead of PAO and PAOK this season, even though it is their first season back.
The game featured 4 Portuguese players.
Simoes MVP:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/01/24/233029.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Janeiro de 2016, 18:08
AEK vs PAOK live stream:
http://olympiakos-live.gr/streaming/Aek-Paok
AEK win 1-0. As I predicted, AEK would be ahead of PAO and PAOK this season, even though it is their first season back.
The game featured 4 Portuguese players.
Simoes MVP:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/01/24/233029.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
The guy "i" putted on the newspaper's because of his cunt actions.
Good times.
They like him at AEK..
HD stream PAO vs Atromitos Cup live now. Stadium ban lifted, but Gate 13 closed. I think I can hear them in other parts of the stadium though singing:
http://www.thefeed2all.eu/watch/405453/3/watch-panathinaikos-vs-atromitos.html
Didn't know that there was Inácios in Greece. Well done, Faliro.
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Janeiro de 2016, 15:24
They like him at AEK..
HD stream PAO vs Atromitos Cup live now. Stadium ban lifted, but Gate 13 closed. I think I can hear them in other parts of the stadium though singing:
http://www.thefeed2all.eu/watch/405453/3/watch-panathinaikos-vs-atromitos.html
Faliro's working hard to become next Sporting Lisbon's football director.
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Citação de: Jotenko em 27 de Janeiro de 2016, 15:53
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Janeiro de 2016, 15:24
They like him at AEK..
HD stream PAO vs Atromitos Cup live now. Stadium ban lifted, but Gate 13 closed. I think I can hear them in other parts of the stadium though singing:
http://www.thefeed2all.eu/watch/405453/3/watch-panathinaikos-vs-atromitos.html
Faliro's working hard to become next Sporting Lisbon's football director.
Bastard. He was a spy among us all along!
Common guys, we all know deep down it was me that gave you Samaris and Mitroglou..
Larissa refuse to play football for 2 minutes in their league game yesterday in remembrance of all those who drown in the Aegean.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkCsY8Zadzo
Panetolikos signed Clesio. :dance:
Hey Faliro, could you translate this to me pls:
ooo poustarades, o babas sas, in arianos
putana i omada ke rufianos o laos
mia zoi tha trehete de ginete alios
Citação de: RodriE em 31 de Janeiro de 2016, 12:42
Hey Faliro, could you translate this to me pls:
ooo poustarades, o babas sas, in arianos
putana i omada ke rufianos o laos
mia zoi tha trehete de ginete alios
It is a favourite chant of the
Super 3 fans of Aris.
Oοο you are gays, your father is ARIS' fans,
your team is whore and your fans are rats,
you always run away from us, you cant do otherwise
:estrelas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR24xgxm6p8
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Janeiro de 2016, 15:59
Citação de: RodriE em 31 de Janeiro de 2016, 12:42
Hey Faliro, could you translate this to me pls:
ooo poustarades, o babas sas, in arianos
putana i omada ke rufianos o laos
mia zoi tha trehete de ginete alios
It is a favourite chant of the Super 3 fans of Aris.
Oοο you are gays, your father is ARIS' fans,
your team is whore and your fans are rats,
you always run away from us, you cant do otherwise
:estrelas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR24xgxm6p8
I already knew that it was a chant from Gate3. Thank you for the translation O0. It sounds better when you dont understand crap of what they are saying. :confused:
Yea, they not a very philosophical bunch..
Well AEK are following suit ^^ :estrelas:
Just signed Tomáš Pekhart and Bruno Zuculini.
PAO signed Rodrigo Moledo, Yuri Mamute (on loan from Grêmio), Lucas Evangelista (loan also) and Giandomenico Mesto.
Zuculini?????
Yip
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/02/01/012745.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
Panathinaikos is a disaster.
Did you watch the game? I watched the second half, was great viewing. O0
AEK lost 1-0 to Atromitos.
One fan was stabbed in the back (Atromitos fan). Once again - fans bringing weapons into games - unopposed. No law and order. Once again - 100s fighting - police managed a grand total of 3 arrests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Sch5DJzrQ
Poyet's first English TV interview in AEK from Skysports.
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/10172801/poyets-sights-set-on-premier-league
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http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/sullipseis-egklimatiki-omada-summeteixe-kai-sta-epeisodia-sti-lewforo/3145690
Remember the PAO riots in the Olympiacos game at Leoforo? Stunning stunning news from today ^^.
Police have just busted a group of over 24 individuals. They were a gang involved in drugs, arson, criminal damage, bombs, robberies far left marches - and of course on weekends, putting on (in this case) Panathinaikos colours and attacking police. 2 of them were Albanian. They were also attacking police outside the Athens University at various demonstations..
I have said this from day one, these people have nothing to do with football, they are leftist criminals who thrive in a state that bases its existence on the events of 1973. These are not people who are so upset that Marinakis owns football that they have to vent - these people are professional organised criminals.
7 minutes to go. Should be at least 3 Portuguese nationals playing. Zeca, Simoes and Barbosas. Both teams flooded their teams with attacking players today. Here is AEK:
(http://s2.aek365.com/uploads/articles/images/1/1751d8d92928c9402730759e9bc2e19a_445155.jpg)
Tudor just sacked from PAOK for losing against Panthrakikos this weekend and saying "Pelkas and Mystakidi are no Fortouni and Indeje - what do you expect"
In other news the Super League meeting went ahead and everyone insulted everyone and it almost descended into a fight. Here is the transcript, use google translate if you interested. :clap1:
http://www.sport-fm.gr/events/21960680
;D Very interesting.
In Portugal should be the same.
I remember this:
Last Summer, after a league meeting the Gil Vicente president spok to Vitória de Setúbal officials:
http://expresso.sapo.pt/desporto/2015-07-28-Video.-Presidente-do-Gil-Vicente-atira-se-a-dirigentes-do-Setubal-Tenham-vergonha-cumpram
Translation:
Be ashamed! Comply!
Who doesn't eat garlic doesn't smell like it!
Explain to the people how did you get the certificates!
You come there to arm in smarter than others!
::bater::
Savvidis was insulting everyone and viciously.
The funniest line in the whole debate for me was from the Olympiacos team in repulse to Savvidis aggression against Olympiacos:
We do not deal with a caricature of a clown who is a guest in our country
Savvidis went ballistic at this saying he is a pontian Greek to all media outlets after the meeting etc and even the communist mayor of Salonika, Boutaris - who does not believe in races and borders said Olympiacos should apologise! ;D
Problem aren't referees, problem are the fans in Toumba.
Theodoridis
:2funny:
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Março de 2016, 14:48
Savvidis was insulting everyone and viciously.
The funniest line in the whole debate for me was from the Olympiacos team in repulse to Savvidis aggression against Olympiacos:
We do not deal with a caricature of a clown who is a guest in our country
Savvidis went ballistic at this saying he is a pontian Greek to all media outlets after the meeting etc and even the communist mayor of Salonika, Boutaris - who does not believe in races and borders said Olympiacos should apologise! ;D
Savvidis = Bruno de Carvalho
Savvidis is a total animal. Just before the riot - Robert Mak, spat on the face of the referee's assistant - the one behind the goal. Savvidis said the day after, 'I do not blame Mak - he was just being manly.' :buck2:
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3946643.ece/BINARY/w620/Pelkas-Giannoulis.jpg)
Giannoulis (Veria) and Pelkas (PAOK) - reporting for duty! They will be able to get certificates so they dont have to do military service.
Tiger in trouble!! :) Use google translate!
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/kurkos-ston-eisaggelea-ithikos-autourgos-o-melissanidis/3150432
A thread about urbanism, city life and experiences has been created. You can drop by and post some pics of nice Greek urbanism... or bad ones. I bet there's a lot of to complain about urbanism in Greece just like there is here :smokin:
http://serbenfiquista.com/forum/index.php?topic=59059.0
Where do I start? Athens is an urban behemoth.. :estrelas: More concrete in that one city than anywhere else in the EU.
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2016, 01:58
Where do I start? Athens is an urban behemoth.. :estrelas: More concrete in that one city than anywhere else in the EU.
Would you like to have Tomás Taveira?
I really don't like that guy's style, I mean this for me is a nightmare..
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7750/2761/1600/Amoreiras.0.jpg)
But in Greece, there are height restrictions, that is why you don't see so many high-rises. Also Greece decided on one style of architecture in the 1950s and just ran with it. The cities are exceptionally homogeneous looking. Bauhaus with balconies - ad infinitum..
(http://www.airphoto.gr/wp-content/aerofotografies/dorean/kalithea2.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-E92o4GhD5KM/VVdTxTEB_fI/AAAAAAAAEWs/P7VhQM8Myxk/w2048-h1367/108832331-athens-city-dusk.jpg)
That's funny, the Amoreiras are the only project of his that I like. The rest can all go to hell.
Ever heard of Siza Vieira? He's also another famous Portuguese architect. Are there any well known Greek architects?
There are two or three fabulous Greek architects, perhaps the best of which committed suicide sadly. Well, imo, he was one of the best. Here is some of their stuff:
Takis Zenetos (RIP)
(http://ayarchitects.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/FIX_ZENETOS-600x498.jpg)
(http://www.sadas-pea.gr/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/pe14_15_img_6.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d5/77/28/d577286762a0ace8aae308bc09771228.jpg)
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w487/diskovolos1/OikiaKavouriZenetos_zps1b710731.jpg)
Another of my favourites is Nicos Valsamakis - wrote the book on modernist villas, his designs are still used globally:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/600x315/f8/54/a7/f854a7d3acf65a413482ed37afcd8fc3.jpg)
(http://plastolux.com/blog1/NicosValsamakis8.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mrOKU2iwZRE/UkjXf_0Ay9I/AAAAAAAAAes/2HqrqCjqnKM/w640-h400-p-k/NICOS%2BVALSAMAKIS%2B001.JPG)
(https://bigolive.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/capture1.jpg)
(http://domesindex.com/media/buildings/koilada1_valsamakis_photos_01.jpg)
(http://www.tovima.gr/files/1/migratedData/D2005/D1009/1neb57a.jpg)
Tombazis:
(http://assets.wallpaper.com/wallpaper/live/galleryimages/17052029/gallery/01_tombarzi_230810.jpg)
A few others. In general I would say nothing special from Greek architects.. Greece is just full of these post modern soulless things..
(http://i.imgur.com/j3eUGBr.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/ajogVP8.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/9udtDxT.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/Bp4kj17.jpg?1)
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Skyscrapers%20and%20Modern%20Architecture%205/SyggrouAvenue-small900x.jpg)
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Infrastructures/KifissiasAvenue-TowardsCarrefour.jpg)
I dare you to guess where's this GIF from:
(http://cdn3.livescore.com/web/img/flash.gif)
Faliro, what you think about last games of Greece
Disgraceful. Terribly weak players selected like Tziolis - one of the reasons Platanias and other minnows can dominate the PAOK midfield every game. Skibbe played 3 CBs but there were not enough CBs, so one of the CBs was a natural FB - Tzavellas.. :crazy2: He also instead of picking MVPs in Greece picked obscure Greek players who cost us the Euro quals due to their poor performances like Stafilidis. Stafilidis is a very crap mistake-prone left back and Skibbe played him as a CM.. :estrelas: next to Tziolis// ::bater::
All in all terrible players selected, terrible manager and the crowd at both games in Piraeus was in the 100s. No one wanted to watch it.
Not that it matters. Because..
The meeting between FIFA/UEFA concluded today. Kontonis stuck to his guns.
Original decided to turn up to the meeting to protest Kontonis and the EPO - saying they are both owned by Olympiacos. However Kontonis stuck to his guns of banning the Cup like PAO/PAOK and AEK wished he would do and soon after the meeting Original went home.
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/pano-tis-ORIGINAL-eksw-apo-ti-sunadisi-UEFA-kodonis-tha-kanoun-o-ti-thelei-i-paragka-tou-baggeli/3154653
During the meeting the FIFA/UEFA leaders had terminal failure in trying to understand why Kontonis had banned the cup but not the whole league where violence persists. They did not understand why foreign refs for the games were not considered and playing the games behind closed doors. All the violence in Greece since the ban did not help Kontonis's case either. FIFA and UEFA delegates travel to the most bizarre places, but they had genuine trouble understanding why Kontonis had done what he did and how he thought what he did would change anything.
Either way Kontonis stuck to his guns so from April 1st, Greek National team is barred from WC quals and official FIFA/UEFA games and all Greek clubs will be barred from UEFA competitions.
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/sta-akra-kodonis-FIFA/3154685
(http://images.uncyc.org/pt/thumb/d/df/Final_euro2004.jpg/300px-Final_euro2004.jpg)
:rir:
Hope that Greece will be suspended. Maybe the country have to restart from zero.
Citação de: Jotenko em 30 de Março de 2016, 16:02
(http://images.uncyc.org/pt/thumb/d/df/Final_euro2004.jpg/300px-Final_euro2004.jpg)
:rir:
Hey now...
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Março de 2016, 18:10
Hope that Greece will be suspended. Maybe the country have to restart from zero.
That will only happen if you remove all Greeks from the equation and replace them with ethereal beings who believe in love, honesty and efficiency. You can't be an idealist and believe 'Greeks are good people, they just need a new start.' Nothing changes in Greece.
Isto é alguma macumba tua, Jotenko?
Citação de: Jotenko em 30 de Março de 2016, 16:02
(http://images.uncyc.org/pt/thumb/d/df/Final_euro2004.jpg/300px-Final_euro2004.jpg)
:rir:
That image still gives me headaches, probably the worst day of my entire life after the final against Seville :X
Unfortunately the national team became quite a mocking circus Sporting Lisbon style since 2008
Citação de: Trapattoni em 30 de Março de 2016, 19:09
Citação de: Jotenko em 30 de Março de 2016, 16:02
(http://images.uncyc.org/pt/thumb/d/df/Final_euro2004.jpg/300px-Final_euro2004.jpg)
:rir:
That image still gives me headaches, probably the worst day of my entire life after the final against Seville :X
Unfortunately the national team became quite a mocking circus Sporting Lisbon style since 2008
Chelsea and Kelvin?
Citação de: Mr.10 em 30 de Março de 2016, 19:10
Citação de: Trapattoni em 30 de Março de 2016, 19:09
Citação de: Jotenko em 30 de Março de 2016, 16:02
(http://images.uncyc.org/pt/thumb/d/df/Final_euro2004.jpg/300px-Final_euro2004.jpg)
:rir:
That image still gives me headaches, probably the worst day of my entire life after the final against Seville :X
Unfortunately the national team became quite a mocking circus Sporting Lisbon style since 2008
Chelsea and Kelvin?
Not as much, i was ready for defeat in both matches even tough Kelvin opened a wound to be sealed on the season after
In Chelsea case i would have been damm surprised in case we did won
Against Seville i was expecting a win regardless the circumstances and we were robbed
After Aris's victory today they are mathematically promoted to the Football League (Second Tier).
Alan Pulido seems a good player to me.
He is. The reason you have not seen more of him is due to the massive dispute with his former club which involved all levels of FIFA. They said he signed an extension with them before signing for Olympiacos. He denied it and said the mexicans forged his signature.
All goals from the games today:
http://www.sport-fm.gr/videos/24082796
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09tbeY8IRXQ
Nice video ^^
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Abril de 2016, 21:13
All goals from the games today:
http://www.sport-fm.gr/videos/24082796
http://www.sport-fm.gr/videos/1026391
:2funny:
Faliro, why do you guys use greek characters sometimes and western characters in other times?
What's the rationale?
Citação de: Jotenko em 05 de Abril de 2016, 10:59
Faliro, why do you guys use greek characters sometimes and western characters in other times?
What's the rationale?
Like when exactly?
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Abril de 2016, 13:27
Citação de: Jotenko em 05 de Abril de 2016, 10:59
Faliro, why do you guys use greek characters sometimes and western characters in other times?
What's the rationale?
Like when exactly?
In the websites above, per example.
Well it's been covered before but nearly every Greek is fairly fluent in English. Greeks do not dub foreign movies or TV shows so by the time they are 16 - with school also, their English is pretty good. They know all the expressions in English and they use them without fear in conversation. 'Car park' 'live tv' 'web based systems' 'EU regulations' 'Tax fraud.' Greece has no language protections like the French do to stop foreign words entering the discourse and lexicon. So Greeks embrace foreign words. Most the sports newspapers even have English names - written in English..
(http://a2014.kiosko.net/06/12/gr/sport_day.750.jpg)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/sportfm/newspapers/16/04/05/goalnews.jpg?w=800)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/sportfm/newspapers/16/04/05/livesport.jpg?w=800)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/sportfm/newspapers/16/04/05/metrosport.jpg?w=800)
In fact, even Olympiacos is written in English on the actual stadium..
(http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/images/aug_11/gun__1314342003_ground_olympiacos.jpg)
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/09/79/eb/6b/giorgos-karaiskakis-stadium.jpg)
Even the smaller clubs have everything in English:
(http://footballtripper.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/platanias-fc-club-store.jpg)
Most shops have English names or Greek names in the latin alphabet to help the trade..
(http://athens-taxi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/athens-shopping-02-ermou.jpg)
(http://athensguide.com/ermou/ermou-street2.jpg)
Thanks Faliro.
I was just trying to find some logic here. Like "when to write in greek and when to write in english".
The funny thing is Greeks have no problem with their language being disintegrated, but in true Greek logic, certain websites wont publish comments written in Greeklish.
Greeklish:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeklish
Hello my portuguese friends. A big update from the country that should be called Elladastan. I will tell you what happened.
As you know everyday has been touch and go for whether Greece would be booted from FIFA. The press has been playing their games and backing their sides. Kontonis the communist said unless the EPO (Greek football association) resigned, he would not reinstate the Cup and we would be booted. Everyday Kontonis said the EPO and the president of the EPO - Girtzikis have to resign or Grexit. Well today he did what the Greeks call Κωλοτούμπα - literally a somersault. He gave in to FIFA on the proviso the EPO follows FIFA and UEFA ethics. :smokin:
So Greece is back. Most likely Silva and Poyet will now stay. The Cup will be played through to completion behind closed doors, outside of Athens most likely - with the stadium spectators consisting only of school children. Also the refs for these games will most likely be non Greek!
AEK beat badly 3-0 by Levadiakos on the final day today. The AEK fans stormed the hotel demanding answers from the players.
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/04/17/235745.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
The funniest thing happened. The fans went up to Djebour asking for an explanation and he said, ''πες του Μελισσανίδη να κάνει μεταγραφές'' which translates as - ''tell it to Melissanidis who makes the transfers.''
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Poyet sacked.
Said yesterday he would leave in the summer, Tiger said he will leave today in response and not even be allowed to coach aek tomorrow in their semi final.
Greece is crazy
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Abril de 2016, 20:22
Poyet sacked.
Said yesterday he would leave in the summer, Tiger said he will leave today in response and not even be allowed to coach aek tomorrow in their semi final.
Tiger is crazy! :rir:
Poyet said today Tiger did not spend enough money. He is right, Aek spent less than a million euros on players this season! :estrelas: And they still finished second.. Tells you how absolutely pathetic PAOK and PAO are when it comes to running a football club.
PAOK and AEK sniffing after Paulo Fonseca of Braga.
http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/SuperLeague/maxh-paok-aek-gia-fonseka.4032470.html
Many former Benfica players, Greeks in Estádio da Luz, a tradition to be carried for years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZJE9HAiohk
It's an interesting video.
I would definitely have had Machlas, Gekas (most prolific expat goalscorer of all time), Stelios Giannakopoulos in that list.
Panathinaikos start work on their Leoforo stadium this summer after the completion of the play-offs. All permissions and money secured so work can start without any problems. The first phase will be a new tier added to one of the main stands adding around 2500 seats. Than they will build next year the 4 corner buildings and the second tier along the second main stand. This will bring the total capacity up to around 20,000 seats.
Current form:
(http://www.stadia.gr/leoforos/leoforos13.jpg)
(http://content-mcdn.ethnos.gr/filesystem/images/20130817/low/2013072004151_158124555.jpg)
From the summer:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/05/09/152121.jpg)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/05/09/152157.jpg)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/05/09/152215.jpg)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/05/09/152233.jpg)
^^ To Resist.. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PgfX5_XzSw
Panaitolikos just signed this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Fernando_Pereira_Rodrigues
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Maio de 2016, 12:51
Panaitolikos just signed this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Fernando_Pereira_Rodrigues
Good signing. I can see you buying him if he succeeds with them.
I dont know if its my impression but Djebour seems to be a hell out of a "character" on Greek football since he already represented two of the biggest rivals from the country ;D
He is actually a lunatic. I am not exaggerating. In Greece his nickname is the terrorist and he is fine with that. He is a wild character. He flourished at Olympiacos after leaving AEK - they considered him a traitor.. then he went back to AEK after travelling around a bit and it seems he has won them over again with his desire to destroy Olympiacos in the Cup Final this month.
His weakness and the reason he did not become perhaps a massive player is that apparently he has always had a bad knee that only allows him to last about 70 mins. I have never noticed this however, but their were rumours of him having difficulties in medicals when signing for clubs outside of Greece.
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Maio de 2016, 14:17
He is actually a lunatic. I am not exaggerating. In Greece his nickname is the terrorist and he is fine with that. He is a wild character. He flourished at Olympiacos after leaving AEK - they considered him a traitor.. then he went back to AEK after travelling around a bit and it seems he has won them over again with his desire to destroy Olympiacos in the Cup Final this month.
His weakness and the reason he did not become perhaps a massive player is that apparently he has always had a bad knee that only allows him to last about 70 mins. I have never noticed this however, but their were rumours of him having difficulties in medicals when signing for clubs outside of Greece.
Yeah i have noticed that when i read on the impact it had over AEK followers when he signed for Olympiacos.
I still think that they are very far away from you guys in regards from the competitive level since they barely came out from the second division to the first league.
Funny that even Manolas that was son to a great figure in AEK accepted to play for their biggest rivals ;D
Manolas just wanted to get paid like Djebbour. At the time AEK were not paying their player's wages but accused anyone who left as a traitor.. :crazy2:
The minute Djebbour and Manolas moved to Olympiacos and were paid on time, they flourished.
The funniest thing is AEK still tries to pretend they are better at developing players.
Their two main CBs? Both Olympiacos youth products. ^-^
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Tzanetopoulos - wanted by Sevilla.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassilis_Lambropoulos
BTW the Manolas thing was very funny. You are right his uncle is an AEK legend (current AEK manager too!) When he left they said he left for the money. He came out and gave an interview from Italy and said he is and always has been an Olympiacos fan!!! Now they really hate him. BTW Manolas seemed to pick up Italian in record time, I always thought this player was good enough for one of the two La Liga giants. Don't know of another CB with his pace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b9aEQBjUK4
Djebbour sucks.
Ibarbo to PAO?
Citação de: RodriE em 25 de Maio de 2016, 22:30
Ibarbo to PAO?
He has agreed with PAO, just needs the Italian club to agree.
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Maio de 2016, 22:43
Citação de: RodriE em 25 de Maio de 2016, 22:30
Ibarbo to PAO?
He has agreed with PAO, just needs the Italian club to agree.
Thats actually a big signing to your league! O0
Shortly after signing the contract, Manolas stated to the press, "I am extremely happy that I am going to continue playing for the team of my heart and it is an honour to wear the AEK Jersey for the next three years with my childhood club. I applaud AEK president Stavros Adamidis who believes in me and declined great offers from European teams to keep me at the club despite the huge economical problems the club is suffering. My dream now is to become the team's captain and win the league just like my uncle Stelios Manolas, who achieved this when he joined AEK.
And that is what killed them..
http://www.sdna.gr/monimes-stiles/paraskinia/article/184678/manolas-se-opado-tis-aek-eimai-olympiakara
Talking of Manolas, he was at the Olympiacos vs PAO game last night, showing big support for Olympiacos as usual!
(https://scontent.fbrs1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13240035_540384929497578_8706334919830317799_n.jpg?oh=48619f501bac8848199612d601a47d98&oe=57E03B96)
Was a good game, we won.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFCmU4qrka4
Manolas sell out! At least I don't like when a player said that support X club, and two years later supports another club.
Manolas never supported AEK. He just said what he did to ingratiate himself with the Original21 fan club that controls AEK. These guys would have crucified him if he had said anything different at the time. They are also the same ones that beat up their own iconic AEK coach and now the current AEK technical director Dusan Bejevic.
0.49 the punch to the back of his head.. real coward's punch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QIaj6nLd5o
AEK fans severely disassociating themselves with manolas now..
(https://scontent.fbrs1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13310519_10209631640289202_7782945631921876425_n.jpg?oh=6edff3f3337b493b00423d1b24b838d1&oe=57D56EA6)
Fortounis also at the game!
(https://scontent.fbrs1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13310539_893921104052063_7516047077811482026_n.jpg?oh=74e1f206e34ebce26b13b2aea8d04220&oe=57C60677)
We have an oral agreement with this gentleman.
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/05/28/083157.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Maio de 2016, 14:27
We have an oral agreement with this gentleman.
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/05/28/083157.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
Not a bad choice, altough inferior to João Mário he can be a usefull player to have on the squad.
He did good season one year ago with Leonardo Jardim on Sporting but lost his place last year when he was replaced by Mário on the starting eleven
169cm for a cm always worries me a little unless he has a lot of talent like Xavi or Ibagaza.
Citação de: Trapattoni em 28 de Maio de 2016, 15:17
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Maio de 2016, 14:27
We have an oral agreement with this gentleman.
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/05/28/083157.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
Not a bad choice, altough inferior to João Mário he can be a usefull player to have on the squad.
He did good season one year ago with Leonardo Jardim on Sporting but lost his place last year when he was replaced by Mário on the starting eleven
2 years.
Faliro, seems like a playoff is underway in Greece. How come?
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Citação de: Jotenko em 31 de Maio de 2016, 22:54
Faliro, seems like a playoff is underway in Greece. How come?
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Just finished today. There was a massive delay due to SYRIZA banning football 100 times this season. PAOK won the playoffs and will go into CL qualification with another inexperienced coach like last season.. and of course their crappy players..
PAO came second - had a totally disastrous season.. as usual. Uefa Cup for them.
AEK came third and Panionios 4th. Both Uefa Cup.
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Maio de 2016, 22:59
Citação de: Jotenko em 31 de Maio de 2016, 22:54
Faliro, seems like a playoff is underway in Greece. How come?
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Just finished today. There was a massive delay due to SYRIZA banning football 100 times this season. PAOK won the playoffs and will go into CL qualification with another inexperienced coach like last season.. and of course their crappy players..
PAO came second - had a totally disastrous season.. as usual. Uefa Cup for them.
AEK came third and Panionios 4th. Both Uefa Cup.
But why the hell there's a need for a playoff? Aren't the european competitors defined accordingly to their position at the end of the league?
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Citação de: Jotenko em 31 de Maio de 2016, 23:08
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Maio de 2016, 22:59
Citação de: Jotenko em 31 de Maio de 2016, 22:54
Faliro, seems like a playoff is underway in Greece. How come?
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Just finished today. There was a massive delay due to SYRIZA banning football 100 times this season. PAOK won the playoffs and will go into CL qualification with another inexperienced coach like last season.. and of course their crappy players..
PAO came second - had a totally disastrous season.. as usual. Uefa Cup for them.
AEK came third and Panionios 4th. Both Uefa Cup.
But why the hell there's a need for a playoff? Aren't the european competitors defined accordingly to their position at the end of the league?
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The play-offs are a complete waste of time. Truly a stupid system for Greece. The league games should be enough to decide European places.
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Maio de 2016, 23:27
Citação de: Jotenko em 31 de Maio de 2016, 23:08
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Maio de 2016, 22:59
Citação de: Jotenko em 31 de Maio de 2016, 22:54
Faliro, seems like a playoff is underway in Greece. How come?
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Just finished today. There was a massive delay due to SYRIZA banning football 100 times this season. PAOK won the playoffs and will go into CL qualification with another inexperienced coach like last season.. and of course their crappy players..
PAO came second - had a totally disastrous season.. as usual. Uefa Cup for them.
AEK came third and Panionios 4th. Both Uefa Cup.
But why the hell there's a need for a playoff? Aren't the european competitors defined accordingly to their position at the end of the league?
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The play-offs are a complete waste of time. Truly a stupid system for Greece. The league games should be enough to decide European places.
Who will enter the playoffs? 2nd to 5th place?
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Yes, it finished to today. They have been playing them the last two weeks.
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Maio de 2016, 23:35
Yes, it finished to today. They have been playing them the last two weeks.
So that means that there is no really advantage in finishing in 2nd when compared to finishing in 5th?
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Citação de: Jotenko em 31 de Maio de 2016, 23:37
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Maio de 2016, 23:35
Yes, it finished to today. They have been playing them the last two weeks.
So that means that there is no really advantage in finishing in 2nd when compared to finishing in 5th?
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Exactly.. stupid..
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Maio de 2016, 23:37
Citação de: Jotenko em 31 de Maio de 2016, 23:37
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Maio de 2016, 23:35
Yes, it finished to today. They have been playing them the last two weeks.
So that means that there is no really advantage in finishing in 2nd when compared to finishing in 5th?
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Exactly.. stupid..
That is stupid, alright. It also makes the league less interesting.
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Literally the moment Olympiacos win the league - all that a few people wait for is the play-offs.. also means all that hard work to get to second place is meaningless too.. you get like a 2 point advantage in the play-offs..
Why doesn't the Hellenic Football Association end that madness?
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Citação de: Jotenko em 01 de Junho de 2016, 01:20
Why doesn't the Hellenic Football Association end that madness?
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Because they are under no pressure to do the right thing. AEK, PAOK and PAO are useless and they love the play-off system because they can have a shit season - finish 5th and still finish second after the play-offs.. PAOK finished 4th this season, 10 points behind PAO who finished second. And yet today, PAOK just won the play-offs and turned a shitty season into a chance at CL football.. All 3 of these loser clubs also all encouraged Kontonis to get Greece kicked out of FIFA/UEFA .. :crazy2:
If it wasn't for Olympiacos, Greek teams will still not be able to play on Mondays. I can't remember which coach it was, but he said a few years ago - 'how can Greece function without having the option of Monday games?'
The real question is: how can Greek football survive and thrive in a poisonous and chaotic environment such as the current one?
Citação de: Gottschalk em 01 de Junho de 2016, 04:51
The real question is: how can Greek football survive and thrive in a poisonous and chaotic environment such as the current one?
Cannot.
They are doomed if they can't change this situation.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 01 de Junho de 2016, 04:51
The real question is: how can Greek football survive and thrive in a poisonous and chaotic environment such as the current one?
It will survive the same way someone does with a chronic zombie bite. Every year worse..
Just to think Kougias will be in the SL next season with AEL.. :buck2: Another nut-case lawyer owner.. with massive mouth..
This is him last year after fighting with police at the Korinthos game..
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3501869.ece/BINARY/original/1256097.jpg)
(http://www.protothema.gr/Images/ImageHandler.ashx?m=Fit&f=Ly8xMC4yMDEuMTAuMjMwL3Byd2ViZGF0YS9maWxlcy8xLzIwMTUvMDUvMzEva291Z2lhcy5qcGc%3D&t=0&w=1000&h=1000)
Larrisa in the Super League?
Yip they are back.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 02 de Junho de 2016, 18:22
Larrisa in the Super League?
Nice
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1erDorY0olg/U4fnuBGnnRI/AAAAAAAAH0Q/_OwRvL9ZxAM/s1600/larissa-riquelme-23_396x594.jpg)
I sincerely wish it was her instead of the steroid kings A.E.Larissa..
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Junho de 2016, 20:23
I sincerely wish it was her instead of the steroid kings A.E.Larissa..
But you months ago support their comeback lol.
It will make the league more competitive. So in that sense great and I am still happy they are back. Also they have a very nice stadium by Greek standards. So visually the league becomes better too.
But sadly they are owned by a malaka - who will encourage violence, games being abandoned and in the main - like most Greeks - general anarchy.
The team I would really like back is Aris. They are fighting in the courts as we speak to be allowed into the second league. They won their group and should be promoted, but they still carry many debts and the former owners are being sued. Aris is trying to explain to the Government that there is more chance of them paying off their debts in higher leagues - than constantly being demoted due to their debts..
How is Panathinaikos going?
My best friend is Greek and he supports Pana.. mind you, his first club is actually AC Milan, then Benfica, then in Greece, Pana.. weird..
I support Benfica, thenBenfica B, then Benfica juvenis ;D
Neve did understand supporting a club from somewhere else
PAO are just in cruise mode as usual... terrible season, no interesting players being linked with them and they are renewing contracts of players even Levadiakos would not want...
Many Panathinaikos supporters say they support one of the Milan sides.. Karagounis said his favourite club on earth was Inter,, Why do PAO fans do this?
Firstly they (milan sides) were very big in Greece in the 90s (no idea why?)
Secondly, most Panathinaikos fans are partially ashamed of the team and often pretend they are not big PAO supporters to take pride off another team..
Sporting.. I mean Panathinaikos new kit..
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article4124880.ece/BINARY/w620/pao+fanela.jpg)
Citação de: Cloughie em 29 de Junho de 2016, 21:14
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Junho de 2016, 11:39
Velios from Iraklis.
He's any kind of good?
So so. I think Bakasetas was the one to go for this year. More goals and assists per minute than Vellios and younger. Vellios seems a little heavy.
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Junho de 2016, 23:53
Citação de: Cloughie em 29 de Junho de 2016, 21:14
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Junho de 2016, 11:39
Velios from Iraklis.
He's any kind of good?
So so. I think Bakasetas was the one to go for this year. More goals and assists per minute than Vellios and younger. Vellios seems a little heavy.
So Nottingham Forest has done a crapy choice.
Typical. :disgust:
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Maio de 2016, 12:51
Panaitolikos just signed this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Fernando_Pereira_Rodrigues
He is one of my best friend's cousin. Great defender, with no luck last year just because he didn't wanted to sign a new contract. He played very well in the few game in wich it was given a chance to him, tough.
I can see him being a surprise in the greek league, and I wish him all the luck. Maybe he can join Olympiacos in the future.
Nuno Reis - - > Panathinaikos.
12 years ago:
(http://allaboutsoccer.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/greece-euro2004.jpg)
The Greek media covered it in detail. ^^
IMO a one off experience.
I have been in Greece last two weeks so could not respond much. Now I am back I can comment more.
Citação de: Covenant em 04 de Julho de 2016, 13:12
Nuno Reis - - > Panathinaikos.
What do you make of this transfer? PAO seem to think they did well.
Citação de: fyure em 03 de Julho de 2016, 08:23
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Maio de 2016, 12:51
Panaitolikos just signed this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Fernando_Pereira_Rodrigues
He is one of my best friend's cousin. Great defender, with no luck last year just because he didn't wanted to sign a new contract. He played very well in the few game in wich it was given a chance to him, tough.
I can see him being a surprise in the greek league, and I wish him all the luck. Maybe he can join Olympiacos in the future.
O0
He will get plenty of time to prove himself most probably. Panaitolikos is a fairly well run club.
His career was stagnant in Sporting B. He spend too much years in B side.
I don't know how he was playing in Metz, but seems that played a important role in the club promotion.
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Junho de 2016, 23:02
PAO are just in cruise mode as usual... terrible season, no interesting players being linked with them and they are renewing contracts of players even Levadiakos would not want...
Many Panathinaikos supporters say they support one of the Milan sides.. Karagounis said his favourite club on earth was Inter,, Why do PAO fans do this?
Firstly they (milan sides) were very big in Greece in the 90s (no idea why?)
Secondly, most Panathinaikos fans are partially ashamed of the team and often pretend they are not big PAO supporters to take pride off another team..
Seria A was the biggest league in the world in the 90s so I guess it makes sense somehow
hi Faliro, how are you? can you update us about the transfer in gregão?
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 13 de Julho de 2016, 18:07
hi Faliro, how are you? can you update us about the transfer in gregão?
Hellenic - ao
To be exact.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 13 de Julho de 2016, 18:07
hi Faliro, how are you? can you update us about the transfer in gregão?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_football_transfers_summer_2016
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 13 de Julho de 2016, 18:07
hi Faliro, how are you? can you update us about the transfer in gregão?
The transfers are now beginning to flow now Euro 2016 has finished. Panaitolikos have 4 Portuguese nationals now. Larissa got their licence and are now back.
Some quite garbage players coming in for AEK/PAOK and PAO.. except for Olympiacos.. as usual. Problem is - Greece's league was so destroyed last season by the Fidel Castro wannabes - most players of any quality avoid Greece.
PAO's stadium reconstruction has stopped because they dont have permission for what they wanted to do yet.. so it looks like they will be playing at the OAKA like AEK. That will hurt them.
Not too much to report yet, covenant's link links to a page that is being updated well this year so you can see exactly what is going on.
On Friday we get to see what the European quals look like for PAOK/PAO/OLY and AEK.
On an interesting side, Alexandros Maniatoglou is now on the coaching staff of Asteras, he was the main assistant to Santos over the last 10 years. Never realised he has a Portuguese mother.
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/ethniki_elladas/article3710892.ece/BINARY/w620/Maniatoglou.jpg)
Talks here about Santos:
http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/ethniki_elladas/o-santos-ths-zwhs-moy.4160526.html
PAS Giannina play their first ever game in Europe tonight in the Q2 game for the Europa League. They are only there because Panionios was disqualified due to financial reasons.
PAS sold most their good players this summer. They had to draft 10 players from the youth squad just to make a squad of 25! Let's see what they can do!
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Julho de 2016, 13:17
PAS Giannina play their first ever game in Europe tonight in the Q2 game for the Europa League. They are only there because Panionios was disqualified due to financial reasons.
PAS sold most their good players this summer. They had to draft 10 players from the youth squad just to make a squad of 25! Let's see what they can do!
Great result.
It is not over yet!
3-0 now!
Well well done PAS. They played terrible, but the vikings played worse.
Uefa ties:
Olympiacos vs Sherif or Hapoel Beersheba (should be easy).
PAOK vs Ajax (would say Ajax are slight favourites).
AEK vs St Etienne (Can't imagine AEK progressing).
PAO vs AIK Solna (Sweden) or Europa FC (Gibraltar) (doable).
PAS vs AZ Alkmaar (very tough).
Hugo Almeida - - > AEK ;D
Sheer desperation. They sacked their technical adviser Branko Milovanović last week for not being able to find any players.. however as always with AEK - it comes down to one of the richest men in Europe - Mellisanidis not willing to spend his money.
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Julho de 2016, 12:12
Sheer desperation. They sacked their technical adviser Branko Milovanović last week for not being able to find any players.. however as always with AEK - it comes down to one of the richest men in Europe - Mellisanidis not willing to spend his money.
Branko played here in Portugal. :)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnpuKNVXEAIqsUB.jpg:large)
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Julho de 2016, 12:12
Sheer desperation. They sacked their technical adviser Branko Milovanović last week for not being able to find any players.. however as always with AEK - it comes down to one of the richest men in Europe - Mellisanidis not willing to spend his money.
I'm sure they don't know our b squad nor the players we have that we don't need, if so they would be able to get some good players paying peanuts.
Their whole scouting department is also under-funded. Just to clarify, Tiger is worth over 3 billion.
BTW Panaitolikos bought former Benfica B player Clésio Baúque.
Ok, but Aek has money to buy some of our waste, Rui Fonte, Pelé, Marçal, Diego Lopes, candeias, Djuricic, Kevin
I think AEK realise they wont beat St Etienne so are not even bothering to build a team for Europe.
They have to build a team for The league
They clearly don't want to compete for the title.. they will rely on getting games cancelled by the Government like they did with the cup.
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Julho de 2016, 11:44
BTW Panaitolikos bought former Benfica B player Clésio Baúque.
Yeah... In january.
Seems Kasami and Alafouzos' daughter are good friends - seen at a club together this week. I am sure daddy is happy. ;D
(http://www.parapolitika.gr/sites/default/files/article/2016-07/kasami-alafouzou.jpg)
Fernando Varela from Steaua Bucharest to PAOK, good CB.
PAOK's signings seem riff-raff to me..
(https://i.snag.gy/8hcFsZ.jpg)
They seem to be doing better signings than AEK.
How´s Aris doing?
Aris will be playing in the second division next season. They have an exceptionally solid base and will be looking to win the league and get promoted to the Super League for 2017. Their group of players is already strong enough to do well. I expect them to make some more signings on top of those.
Iraklis is disintegrating. owner can't sell - he seems a criminal also. As it stands, Iraklis will be relegated mid season due to financial problems.
Panathinaikos new kits today:
(http://wcdn.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/fanela3_1.jpg)
(http://wcdn.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/default/public/article/2016-07/1500353.jpg)
Ibarbo joined pao?
Fifa legend! :bow2:
And in real life?
They also just signed Lautaro Rinaldi.
They seem to be doing a good squad. Who´s their manager?
This guy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Stramaccioni
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Julho de 2016, 21:58
This guy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Stramaccioni
You migh be in for a challenge, you know?!
I think they are trying to copy us.. We got Pardo (fairly good Colombian winger) - they get Ibarbo and Wakaso etc. PAOK also think they have made good signings. I am not convinced - each year it is the same and each year Panionios beats them all.
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Julho de 2016, 22:07
I think they are trying to copy us.. We got Pardo (fairly good Colombian winger) - they get Ibarbo and Wakaso etc. PAOK also think they have made good signings. I am not convinced - each year it is the same and each year Panionios beats them all.
They look good on paper but after all it matters the most on the field.
True, I actually think their oldest signing will help them the most, Ledesma.
Europa update:
PAO beat AIK 1-0
AEK - first game back in Europe for 5 years.. did well, they drew 0-0 with St Etienne. AEK played just like they did against Olympiacos in the final. Very physical - every pass direct and cutting. Horrible team to play atm. Their new central defender Chygrynskiy looked like a fucking rock.
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/07/29/114350.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
Faliro, when starts the greece league, and the day of super cup?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/greek-superleague/fixtures
As for the Super Cup it is no longer held. it would be Olympiacos vs AEK again if it was held. :amigo:
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Julho de 2016, 17:27
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/greek-superleague/fixtures
As for the Super Cup it is no longer held. it would be Olympiacos vs AEK again if it was held. :amigo:
O0
To those of you with an interest in this...
(http://aolx.tmsimg.com/movieposters/v7/NowShowing/163191/p163191_p_v7_aa.jpg)
Something interesting happened this year. FC Sparti (aka as Sparta in English) are now in the second division. Not only that, they have a very rich backer who wants them in the top league next year.. he is the same man who controls PAO BC:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrios_Giannakopoulos
Here is their logo:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4d/Sparta_Football_Club.jpg/800px-Sparta_Football_Club.jpg)
Their main supporters are called '300' and here is the team that won promotion:
(http://apela.pinet.gr/photos/3832516200.jpg)
Their celebration of promotion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik-Nlsoof2I
PAOK vs Ajax - sold out within six hours of the tickets being put on sale.
AEK vs St Etienne - All 5000 online tickets sold already and I think they have sold around 20,000 tickets today for the game. We could be looking at over 60,000 AEK fans at the OAKA for this game.
Looking forward to watch the PAOK game.
You think they can do it?
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Agosto de 2016, 11:54
You think they can do it?
They have a chance, but it would not be the first nor the secound time that they lose a qualification after having good result in the first leg.
I think Ajax will win 1-2.
PAOK had very little control of the midfield in the first game. Will be interesting to see what happens at the Toumba.
:coolsmiley:
Classic
For this first time in 20 years the Group stages of the CL will be without a Greek team.
This season will be the most vicious in memory.
PAOK missed so many sitters...
Citação de: RodriE em 04 de Agosto de 2016, 00:01
PAOK missed so many sitters...
If they had just an average striker who could score tap-ins they could have had 4 goals last night. As it was - they have Klaus - one of the worse strikers in Greece and they persist with him.
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Agosto de 2016, 09:58
Citação de: RodriE em 04 de Agosto de 2016, 00:01
PAOK missed so many sitters...
If they had just an average striker who could score tap-ins they could have had 4 goals last night. As it was - they have Klaus - one of the worse strikers in Greece and they persist with him.
They can get Rui Fonte.
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/08/05/085409.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
Remember this guy?
Luis Fariña to Asteras Tripoli loan.
AEK sign left back Kostas Manolas from the Manolas dynasty. How Portuguese does this guy look?
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/08/05/163117.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
PAO sign Lautaro Rinaldi:
(http://www.lt10.com.ar/multimedia/in1468360316951.jpeg)
(http://wcdn.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/default/public/article/2016-08/rinaldipaooo.jpg?itok=V0leCJrL)
Greek draws for Europa:
Arouca (POR) v Olympiacos (GRE)
Dinamo Tbilisi (GEO) v PAOK (GRE)
Brondby (DEN) v Panathinaikos (GRE)
Lol, he still belongs to us.
We have so many players and our board is so transparent that we only know that we sell/loan some players trowgh others team information.
So... The Championship will be delayed?
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Agosto de 2016, 09:58
Citação de: RodriE em 04 de Agosto de 2016, 00:01
PAOK missed so many sitters...
If they had just an average striker who could score tap-ins they could have had 4 goals last night. As it was - they have Klaus - one of the worse strikers in Greece and they persist with him.
Faliro, would you trade the EURO 2004 title for a UEFA Champions League title for OLY?
Citação de: Jotenko em 10 de Agosto de 2016, 19:18
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Agosto de 2016, 09:58
Citação de: RodriE em 04 de Agosto de 2016, 00:01
PAOK missed so many sitters...
If they had just an average striker who could score tap-ins they could have had 4 goals last night. As it was - they have Klaus - one of the worse strikers in Greece and they persist with him.
Faliro, would you trade the EURO 2004 title for a UEFA Champions League title for OLY?
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
File, that is a hard one. Depending on the day I may answer differently. It seems though Greece deserved the Euro 2004 where as Olympiacos (besides a few unlucky calls over the years - esp in the Europa) does not deserve it as much.
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Agosto de 2016, 19:14
So... The Championship will be delayed?
Delayed? It may never start, Kontonis is again blackmailing FIFA.. we know how that always ends..
PAO owner in big trouble:
CitaçãoGreek businessman and shipowner Giannis Alafouzos has had his assets frozen by the Greek financial crime prosecutor, which is investigating "irregularities" in his accounts, reports say.
Giannis was formerly the head of tanker owner Ermis Maritime and is the son of Aristeidis Alafouzos, who is the head of Kyklades Maritime.
The younger Alafouzos was targeted by investigators after his name appeared on a list of around a million Greek taxpayers, who made transactions of more than EUR 300,000 between 2000 and 2012, according to reports in Greece.
Alafouzos has been unable to justify some EUR 50m during the period, leading the Control Center of Taxpayers with Great Wealth (KEFOMEP) to freeze his assets.
Since its creation in 2015, KEFOMEP, an agency of the Greek Tax Office, has frozen the accounts of hundreds of individuals in Greece who have large bank accounts without having declared proportionate incomes to the tax office.
In a statement, Alafouzos said he welcomed the investigation and would cooperate.
"I have repeatedly stated and I emphasize now that all my income is from shipping activities abroad. The only activities I have in Greece are the investments I've made in the media for 26 years and continue to do so today, and my participation in the last four years in Panathinaikos," he stated.
He is the president of Greece's Panathinaikos football club and is founder and chairman of the country's SKAI media group.
http://splash247.com/head-of-kyklades-maritime-probed-by-greek-financial-prosecutor/
Gets worse for Alafouzos. He was paying off journalists and advertisers with black money. All his assets have now be frozen. We are looking at tax avoidance in the region of €63 million.
Also his TV station SKAI stole 3 hours of Tinos' religious ceremony from ERT.
The walls are closing in. I am not sure you have this saying in portuguese, but in English we say 'people in glass houses should not throw stones.' Alafouzos used his media empire daily to question the ethics of Olympiacos and damage Olympiacos. He paid journalists millions in black money to do this - but where he should have been spending money - was on accountants to cover his colossal tax fraud.. seems he goes cheap on that also and that was his downfall.
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2016, 17:27
Gets worse for Alafouzos. He was paying off journalists and advertisers with black money. All his assets have now be frozen. We are looking at tax avoidance in the region of €63 million.
Also his TV station SKAI stole 3 hours of Tinos' religious ceremony from ERT.
The walls are closing in. I am not sure you have this saying in portuguese, but in English we say 'people in glass houses should not throw stones.' Alafouzos used his media empire daily to question the ethics of Olympiacos and damage Olympiacos. He paid journalists millions in black money to do this - but where he should have been spending money - was on accountants to cover his colossal tax fraud.. seems he goes cheap on that also and that was his downfall.
We have that saying too. O0
League officially cancelled by Kontonis, probably until mid September. He said the reason was violence and hooliganism and the police cannot guarantee safety. FIFA will ask why the big games can't be be played behind closed doors - and the smaller clubs with no history of violence can't play their games. Kontonis will mostly deflect the question and once again evolve the argument to include Girtzikis as he did last time. The illegal referee argument collapsed so Kontonis will stick with the violence argument for the first week. Click on image for link:
(https://i.snag.gy/gVQb2w.jpg) (http://"http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/SuperLeague/anavolh-ths-supere-league-toylaxiston-gia-treis-evdomades.4219796.html")
Lescott to AEK... :rir:
And they lost Barbosa! :rir:
Samba --> Panathinaikos?
Yes. There is a little economic difference, but everyone is still positive it will happen.
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Agosto de 2016, 15:23
Yes. There is a little economic difference, but everyone is still positive it will happen.
Panathinaikos will have the Heavyweight Championship with Samba.
Looking at the teams, PAOK and PAO have both had the best transfer season. The Championship will be very hard fought and will as usual - be based around who the smaller teams can steal points from.
Kontonis (Communist Sports Minister) just cancelled the Cup. So now the League and the Cup have be cancelled. That means all 3 Greece's Europa's sides will be playing their first Europa League games without having played an official game in 3 weeks. Young Boys for example will have already played 7 league games when Olympiacos meet them.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrA7O4jXYAED180.jpg)
Just so weird..
His career has been going downhill fast since he left Goodison, I'll be surprised if he can make an impact in Greece.
Citação de: Saveloy em 29 de Agosto de 2016, 15:22
His career has been going downhill fast since he left Goodison, I'll be surprised if he can make an impact in Greece.
Até least after that he won something.
Citação de: Covenant em 29 de Agosto de 2016, 20:00
Citação de: Saveloy em 29 de Agosto de 2016, 15:22
His career has been going downhill fast since he left Goodison, I'll be surprised if he can make an impact in Greece.
Até least after that he won something.
Sure, maybe I should have said "his football" instead of "his career", even at City he became a shadow of the player he once was.
Something running parallel atm that perhaps may interest you. The communist Government of Greece has decided Greece only needs four television channels. So all the other channels (MEGA, STAR, SKAI, ALFA, etc) besides ERT, were told to apply and fight for one of the four licences.
Because football is a representation of Greek life and economics - guess who has been bidding to own one of the channels? Marinakis, Alafouzos (already owns SKAI) and Savvidis! All the current TV channels will be dissolved by the Bolsheviks.
Interestingly - today - the potential channel owners had to go to the main meeting to decide who gets a licence to own a channel. Rumours are that Marinakis secured a licence for his new TV station he wants to start - 'Alta Ego.'
This is basically a war for who can control the media/news in Greece.
Madness.
So after all these millionaires being locked up in the bidding building - the four licences were finally given. Even the chief of SKAI said the process does not belong in civilised Europe. No one could leave the building for days and even police would accompany you to the toilet! It was literately a prison! The process was even more bizarre and the winning bids seemed unfair:
SKAI (Alafouzos) - 43.6 Million Euro over 56 rounds!!
Vladimiros Ioannis Kalogritsas - 52.6 Million Euro over 78 rounds
ANT1 - 75.9 million Euro over 99 rounds
Alter Ego (Marinakis) 73.9 million Euro over 117 rounds
So now Alpha, Star, Mega etc have 90 days do go off-air and make all their staff unemployed. A nasty view into a leftist distopian future.
Winning bids, notice Savvidis didn't make it either despite outbidding Alafouzos! :crazy2:
Top row are those bidding, left-hand-side down is each auction - the winner in red!
(http://i67.tinypic.com/dr3typ.png)
Now here is what in interesting. Olympiacos used to be free to watch until ERT ceased to exist under the last Government. Now ERT is back but NOVA still have all Olympiacos's games. Marinakis will probably now seek to make his new channel have exclusive rights on Olympiacos games! Because these channels are (terrestrial) free - he may try and make Olympiacos games free for all of Greece - as it was before!!
In Portugal we need to pay more than 35 euros per month to watch Benfica (home and away). :rir:
Draw for the Football League took place today.
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Suddenly a group of 30 hooligans in balaclavas and helmets raided the event 5 minutes after the draw was made. They were armed with old school wooden clubs. They beat up a few people (children were present at the event), smashed the place and then smashed parked cars outside and threw flares. After their dose of ultra violence - they got bored and left. Zero arrests as police arrived a while after the hooligans left. One of the hooligans dropped his keys at the scene. They have a Panathinaikos key ring. Remember the almost identical last attack against referees this year whilst having a meeting - the victims also described PAO insignia then. Here are the keys found at the scene today with PAO's club house on the keyring:
(http://gavros.gr/Media/Default/Blog%20Images/augousto2016/14194443_10202119740270315_438637347_n.jpg) Another day in Elladistan.
Images from the attack:
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That's horrible, man.
I hope the people who were attacked are alright.
Season finally begins this weekend. Because of the delays the season starts on round 3:
(http://wcdn.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/default/public/article/2016-09/1498181_0.jpg?itok=wwZrgRcS)
Go PAOK :metal:
Almeida with an insane goal just now against Xanthi. Currently 3-1 with 20 minutes gone.
https://streamable.com/d0yw
AEL's first game back in in the Super League for years. They were playing in their very attractive AEL arena. They were 2-1 ahead of Iraklis and Degra (AEL keeper) made a big mistake that leader to 2-2. Mistake can be seen here at 2:56:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QX1ugMners
Kougias - the owner of AEL (lawyer who specialises is punishments - penologist and former player :estrelas:) proceeded to strangle Degra in the tunnel and than terminated his contract at the same time!
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/09/12/231236.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Setembro de 2016, 23:23
AEL's first game back in in the Super League for years. They were playing in their very attractive AEL arena. They were 2-1 ahead of Iraklis and Degra (AEL keeper) made a big mistake that leader to 2-2. Mistake can be seen here at 2:56:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QX1ugMners
Kougias - the owner of AEL (lawyer who specialises is punishments - penologist and former player :estrelas:) proceeded to strangle Degra in the tunnel and than terminated his contract at the same time!
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/09/12/231236.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
But his wife is top.
Who the hell are Platias Chania?
Village team from Crete - an actual village team. Crete has cities - but this team is from a village. Like most village teams in Greece, they build decent sides full of players from across the globe like most other small sides in the Super League. I have no idea what so ever how these teams do it.
Ioannis Amanatidis. What you think about this guy, Faliro?
Strange guy - very emotional at times. Never believed he was a reliable striker although he had somewhat cult status a Frankfurt. He openly said that the players chosen for the Greek national team were fixed and suspicious - which everybody knows deep down. I will always remember him for one goal only:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOluBWnL4-s
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Outubro de 2016, 12:26
Strange guy - very emotional at times. Never believed he was a reliable striker although he had somewhat cult status a Frankfurt. He openly said that the players chosen for the Greek national team were fixed and suspicious - which everybody knows deep down. I will always remember him for one goal only:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOluBWnL4-s
Yap, I think the same about him.
And Zagorakis?
Another interesting and strange guy. I think of fairly average ability - and before Euro 2004 - he openly doubted everything giving a few demoralizing interviews to the media. After 2004 he became more lion-like. Pesident of PAOK for a while (where his heart is) - did some TV adds for Zagori water. ;D Don't really have an opinion on the guy. I think he is a MEP now for ND.
Pleasant news after quiet time for AEK new stadium. By depositing the altitude study, the file of "Agia Sophia" is full and the final approval is expected by the middle of October.
Citação de: Covenant em 04 de Outubro de 2016, 13:39
Pleasant news after quiet time for AEK new stadium. By depositing the altitude study, the file of "Agia Sophia" is full and the final approval is expected by the middle of October.
mmm.. you have a link for that?
I can only see this for their future currently..
(http://www.kazam.gr/online/sites/default/files/images_uploaded/u1119/NEO_gipedo_AEK.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Outubro de 2016, 15:18
Citação de: Covenant em 04 de Outubro de 2016, 13:39
Pleasant news after quiet time for AEK new stadium. By depositing the altitude study, the file of "Agia Sophia" is full and the final approval is expected by the middle of October.
mmm.. you have a link for that?
I can only see this for their future currently..
(http://www.kazam.gr/online/sites/default/files/images_uploaded/u1119/NEO_gipedo_AEK.jpg)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1640345&page=14
They have been reporting the same for two years now. Every month it is next month. The major problem is that the actual mayor of the area is against the project. Also the ruling party - Syriza - believes correctly Tiger should be in jail - so they are not speeding up the project. In fact Syriza have blocked every single major project they have come across unless the project is publicly owned...
I hope it is built, it will transform the Greek soccer environment. Currently there are only 5 decent football specific stadiums (Leoforos (tiny), Xarilaou (Aris are in the 2nd division), Karaiskaki, AEL Arena, Xanthi). However I don't see anything happening with the AEK stadium this year. I said the same in 2014 and got yelled at by AEK fans - but I know how Greece works. The left hate big private projects and there is more bureaucracy in Greece than grains of sand in the Gobi.
AEK's stadium was quite a fortress before it was knocked down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8lgDuSNjiI
You Also have the Olympic stadium, but it is too big...
Far too massive. You are very far from the action.
https://youtu.be/xlKLq0hXewk
AWESOME
Very famous games vs Russia. We can never get that passion or those crowds back. Most the home games now get around 4000 supporters.. There is no passion for the NT anymore.
To be honest - you cannot expect a Greek with an IQ of over 60 to pay €30 + to watch Tziolis, Klaus, Maniatis, Tzavellas, Kone, Stafylidis etc. I mean it is insulting. We have far better players who are not picked.
For example, we play Cyprus tomorrow. You know who was called up? Tziolis and Maniatis! Both are training alone as the coaches of PAOK and OSFP told them to find new clubs in the summer. They could not find anywhere to play - so neither have played a game this season - they are not even allowed to train with the main club because they are not wanted. Skibbe called them both up and it looks like Maniatis will start! You can't expect people to pay to see that.
Tzavellas out for one month after being injured vs Cyprus. Lots of people happy about this. :tomates:
However Fortounis also got injured - not as serious - but will miss the next game next week.
(http://wcdn.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/default/public/article/2016-10/1540599.jpg?itok=_5N92hg4)
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Outubro de 2016, 18:19
Tzavellas out for one month after being injured vs Cyprus. Lots of people happy about this. :tomates:
However Fortounis also got injured - not as serious - but will miss the next game next week.
(http://wcdn.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/default/public/article/2016-10/1540599.jpg?itok=_5N92hg4)
Faliro, how did Mitro play yesterday?
7/10
Greeks are pushing hard to get Zeca a Greek passport very shortly so he can play for Greece. Both Skibbe and the PAO coach are pushing this to happen.
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Outubro de 2016, 18:01
Greeks are pushing hard to get Zeca a Greek passport very shortly so he can play for Greece. Both Skibbe and the PAO coach are pushing this to happen.
He´s average at best! :rir:
I agree. 4/10 for me. Poor passer, poor control & technique - but runs a lot. Also complains to the ref a lot.
Sadly it seems the Panathinaikos media is behind the move and the AEK, OSFP and PAOK fans are too myopic to say anything before it is too late.
Citação de: Covenant em 06 de Outubro de 2016, 14:38
https://youtu.be/xlKLq0hXewk
AWESOME
when ultras groups decided to support the national team.
now it's almost impossible
They stopped going, but a handful still go to a game which has some sort of hatred - like Greece vs Turkey.
Ultras now mostly stick to club games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeScVCMNeas
Ketsbaia sacked it seems. :rir:
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Outubro de 2016, 14:23
Ketsbaia sacked it seems. :rir:
AEK won their game yesterday...
He was a dead man walking since the Olympiacos thrashing. Melissanidis had business in asia so waited to come back to Greece before removing him.
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Mourinho disciple.
Aris fans were unhappy with the 1-1 against Aiginakio. Stormed the pitch at the end.. Djeboour punched one of the Aris staff trying to punch one the Aris fans (Djebbour is an Aris player). :estrelas:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/11/06/180858.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
So.. 30 fans went into the tunnel after Djebbour - broke down the door of the dressing room and were searching for Djebbour (of AEK and Oly fame) to beat up. there were too many people in their way, so they punched whoever got in the way.. like the owner Karapidis - who was trying to prtect the players..! Finally they got to Djebbour and beat him up.. :estrelas:
http://www.contra.gr/Columns/contra-epithesi/aris/sovaro-peristatiko-efagan-ksulo-karypidhs-kai-tzempour.4358009.html
Video of the flash point on the pitch..
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/i-grothia-tou-tzempour-ston-opado-video/3239609
He played that bad?
Djebbour, for the time he played on Nottingham Forest, deserved that beating. :tomates:
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Novembro de 2016, 01:44
He played that bad?
Didn't see the game - however he is not a running sort of striker anyway..
Oh my Zeus, the Gregão is too good to be true! :2funny:
All leagues were cancelled this week because the head of referees had his house set on fire.. he quit hours after his house was torched. League resumes tomorrow.
OFI beat PAO 2-1 in the cup!!
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(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4407784.ece/BINARY/original/pano.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Novembro de 2016, 23:52
Aris fans were unhappy with the 1-1 against Aiginakio. Stormed the pitch at the end.. Djeboour punched one of the Aris staff trying to punch one the Aris fans (Djebbour is an Aris player). :estrelas:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/16/11/06/180858.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
So.. 30 fans went into the tunnel after Djebbour - broke down the door of the dressing room and were searching for Djebbour (of AEK and Oly fame) to beat up. there were too many people in their way, so they punched whoever got in the way.. like the owner Karapidis - who was trying to prtect the players..! Finally they got to Djebbour and beat him up.. :estrelas:
http://www.contra.gr/Columns/contra-epithesi/aris/sovaro-peristatiko-efagan-ksulo-karypidhs-kai-tzempour.4358009.html
Video of the flash point on the pitch..
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/i-grothia-tou-tzempour-ston-opado-video/3239609
LMAO @ the sunglasses dude's expression :2funny:
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Novembro de 2016, 20:36
OFI beat PAO 2-1 in the cup!!
(https://i.snag.gy/WhnkS3.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4407784.ece/BINARY/original/pano.jpg)
PAO coached sacked!! :rir:
Panathinaikos winning against PAOK.
Yea, was a miserable affair. PAOK now only 4 points above the relegation zone..
Gate13 were banned from the game, so no atmosphere. Ouzounidis begins his PAO coaching career with a much needed win.
Panathinaikos broke a few records this year - worst team officially in the Europa Cup. Not even one win.
(https://i.snag.gy/8Qngzm.jpg)
Greek football is sinking.
Not only is this the worse Europa performance by any team in the Europa Cup group stage - it is the worse European run in PAO's history. They gained less than €3 million from this season in Europe.
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Dezembro de 2016, 23:01
Panathinaikos broke a few records this year - worst team officially in the Europa Cup. Not even one win.
(https://i.snag.gy/8Qngzm.jpg)
Even Sporting got one win... but then Legia beat them.
Alafouzos (chairman and chief of Panathinaikos) has been sentenced to over a year in jail.
:rua:
Any rumour about January?
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Dezembro de 2016, 08:23
Any rumour about January?
Tonnes.
PAO have secured Kourbelis from Asteras for around €700,000 - paid over 3 years. Asteras also get 40% of any future sell on.
PAOK wants Vieirinha back. :crazy2:
AEK are trying to convince Nabil Bahoui to sign with them. :estrelas: They are also after Jorge Pereira Diaz. He is an Argentinian striker, 26 years old. Platellas also left via mutual agreement.
AEK signed Bosnian Ognjen Vranjes.
Asteras today terminated the contracts of Argentinians Osmar Ferreyra and Emmanuel Ledesma by mutual consent.
Larissa have made a fair few signings in order to stay in the Super League. Usual latino low grade players and world odd balls.. Pablo Gállego, Steven Thicot (remember him?), Lehlogonolo Masalesa and today they just agreed to sign Adrian Fernandez of Independiente Rivadavia. :huh:
PAOK and the others will get going in the next few days. This year they are trying to stop rumours - but I expect many moves from PAOK this January - how else will they beat Schalke? :tomates:
Panathinaikos chairman Alafouzos was sentenced again to jail last week.. it is the 2nd time in two weeks he has received a jail sentence for breaking the privacy act.. He will most likely pay the fine rather than serve the time.
Esien is demanding the money Panathinaikos owe him - around €700,000. PAO are claiming they dont have the money - but as Esien's lawyers have said, PAO just bought Kourbelis from Asteras..
Panaitolikos after this guy:
http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/article/1028614/kleinei-lopez-o-panaitolikos-vid
PAOK - 0
PAS Giannina - 1
:rir: :rir: :rir:
This may be the worst Olympiacos side in 20 years, but this is turning out to be my favourite season!
(https://i.snag.gy/85mZQ0.jpg)
:rir: :rir: :rir:
Paok, Panathinaikos, AEK... ALL GARBAGE.
Citação de: Covenant em 08 de Janeiro de 2017, 19:46
Paok, Panathinaikos, AEK... ALL GARBAGE.
They are. They have been this way for years.
What has changed and pushed them further down the table is that PAS, Panionios, Asteras and Xanthi (small clubs) are now far far better run than before. Better scouting, better players (faster and stronger + better technique), better facilities - they pay their players on time etc (PAO players were not paid for 3 months this season).
Even more ridiculous is Alafouzos (PAO owner) announced today he is cutting the budget by €5 million! He has been paying the players with loans! Esien is taking him to court for non payment of wages too.
My friend can you tell what is the budget in Panathinaikos football section and in basketball section?
Citação de: Covenant em 08 de Janeiro de 2017, 21:18
My friend can you tell what is the budget in Panathinaikos football section and in basketball section?
The football section is in debt and fewer and fewer banks will give loans to Alafouzos to pay players. So therefore there is no budget to calculate. Alafouzos said he will cut the 'budget' by €5 million yesterday - so to translate - he will offload players and staff to reduce spending (probably to prove to banks he will repay them..). The walls are starting to close in on him. He is a wealthy man (because of his father) but he does not put his own money into the club. Instead he created a front called the
Panathinaikos Alliance and probably used his own wealth to secure loans for the club. The fans are starting to turn on him now and this will make loans even harder to negotiate. I suspect Berg may leave soon too. Each game has less fans.. and the club is easily beaten by any team in the league. They also made the least money in their modern history this year in Europe. Alafouzos who constantly encouraged the communist sports minister to cancel the league (which he did - over two months of cancelled games!) - meant that NOVA SPORTS (the broadcaster of the SL) lost millions in revenue - and they have it in their contract that they only have to pay SL clubs for games played.. so he has lost millions there too - by his own hand. He attempted to take them to court recently, but it seems it was only a prideful bluff as usual. Therefore - they have no budget. They will now be looking to sell what they have. The buying of Kourbelis this winter from Asteras was bizarre. Clearly they paid no money up front and he was very cheap (€700,000) - but that immediately brought Esien to their door demanding back wages from last year. He was clearly told they were broke, but the minute he saw the Kourbelis transfer - he realised he was being scammed.
Now the basketball section - like with all the Greek multi-sports clubs, is a separate entity and structure - legally and financially. It has nothing to do with the football section. PAO basketball is owned by the pharmaceutical magnet Giannokopoulos (his family actually owns it, he is the front-man). They do have a budget - this season around €14 million, however in previous seasons they were well over €39 million.
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
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Pictures from PAO's game today against kerkyra:
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article4470027.ece/BINARY/original/4013429.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article4470032.ece/BINARY/original/4013488.jpg)
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(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article4470059.ece/BINARY/original/4013621.jpg)
Really wish Greek commentators were like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I358CO_LBRc
Garry Rodrigues to Galatasaray, €3.8M.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 10 de Janeiro de 2017, 11:44
Garry Rodrigues to Galatasaray, €3.8M.
Yip. Sold their best player - under his €5.5 million release clause. They are still in Europe and 8th in the league. Not a good time to sell.
Here is what the player was capable of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mRPVK_Kl_k
In other news the Levadiakos vs AEK game is cancelled today, too much snow at the stadium.
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Levadiakos/article4471004.ece/BINARY/w620/livadeia_exo.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Janeiro de 2017, 16:09
PAOK - 0
PAS Giannina - 1
:rir: :rir: :rir:
This may be the worst Olympiacos side in 20 years, but this is turning out to be my favourite season!
(https://i.snag.gy/85mZQ0.jpg)
:rir: :rir: :rir:
Really?
the title is a matter of time, it's in the pocket.
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Janeiro de 2017, 12:01
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 10 de Janeiro de 2017, 11:44
Garry Rodrigues to Galatasaray, €3.8M.
Yip. Sold their best player - under his €5.5 million release clause. They are still in Europe and 8th in the league. Not a good time to sell.
Here is what the player was capable of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mRPVK_Kl_k
In other news the Levadiakos vs AEK game is cancelled today, too much snow at the stadium.
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Levadiakos/article4471004.ece/BINARY/w620/livadeia_exo.jpg)
I know him, personally.
Nice ^^
Can you believe the cheek of Melissanidis? He is actually trying to get Michel!
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/o-mitsel-einai-no1-gia-ton-melissanidi/3256622
:o
José Morais resigned today after AEK's 3-2 loss at Agrinio.
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/SuperLeague/article4484996.ece/BINARY/w620/4022823.jpg)
Normal... Surprising was the fact that they signed him in first place.
Citação de: Covenant em 18 de Janeiro de 2017, 19:26
Normal... Surprising was the fact that they signed him in first place.
Not really that surprising if you know what a tight arse Melissandis is. He is still bitter over the Poyet debacle.
Former coach Manuel Jiménez will be in Athens tomorrow to sign with AEK.
PAOK and PAO both had home games today.
Both the games were virtually abandoned as the fans are not happy with their respective owners.
(http://gavros.gr/Media/Default/_Profiles/b196ead4/74fb3e72/1605448.jpg?v=636204550548088348)
(http://gavros.gr/Media/Default/_Profiles/b196ead4/74fb3e72/1605081.jpg?v=636204457836019939)
PAOK sign Amr Warda from Panaitolikos and are close to Pedro Henrique Konzen.
AEK close to Sergio Araujo of Las Palmas.
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Janeiro de 2017, 20:01
PAOK sign Amr Warda from Panaitolikos and are close to Pedro Henrique Konzen.
AEK close to Sergio Araujo of Las Palmas.
I have doubts on this one. :huh:
Citação de: RodriE em 24 de Janeiro de 2017, 20:14
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Janeiro de 2017, 20:01
PAOK sign Amr Warda from Panaitolikos and are close to Pedro Henrique Konzen.
AEK close to Sergio Araujo of Las Palmas.
I have doubts on this one. :huh:
Yip. He was not enthusiastic about the move. It seems it is simply a question of how much money Melissanidis will give him in wages to bribe him to come over to AEK.
Araújo will be AEK player on loan. Las Palmas wants to get rid of him.
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Janeiro de 2017, 14:25
Araújo will be AEK player on loan. Las Palmas wants to get rid of him.
You seen him play?
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Janeiro de 2017, 18:06
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Janeiro de 2017, 14:25
Araújo will be AEK player on loan. Las Palmas wants to get rid of him.
You seen him play?
Good player but have a lot of problems in his head...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWSnVtmlvXc
Poor bastard..
:rir:
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Janeiro de 2017, 18:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWSnVtmlvXc
Poor bastard..
:rir:
?
^^
Araujo arriving in Athens.
:rir:
(http://www.sport24.gr/paraskinio/article4499691.ece/BINARY/w620/araujo2.jpg)
Just another problem for AEK. More than a solution.
Citação de: Covenant em 27 de Janeiro de 2017, 19:13
Just another problem for AEK. More than a solution.
Here he is:
(http://s2.aek365.com/uploads/articles/images/5/569fc181f3feef9d178740fd94c0a19e_502484.jpg)
(http://s2.aek365.com/uploads/articles/images/0/0890f8c375b2f0c5d39431353d9c0ffd_502457.jpg)
In other news...
Pana still desperately trying to offload Ibarbo who doesn't want to play for Pana anymore..Mubarak Wakaso - also declared he wants to leave and is near Granada. Also their debt is now reaching serious levels. Most the staff have not been paid in 2 months and players are being paid through loans. Despite this - their owner is still pretending everything is OK - and they are about to complete on Altman from from Israel.
AEK have been trying all winter to get back Barbosa from the Arabs. They have failed and it looks impossible now. Brazilian Vinicius of Lazio is about to sign for AEK for 3.5 years.
PAOK signed Pedro Henrique Konzen.
Panathinaikos will have the same fate of AEK and Aris?
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Janeiro de 2017, 17:51
Panathinaikos will have the same fate of AEK and Aris?
A little known fact. The exact time Pana was taken over by Alafouzos, their debt was bad enough to get them relegated by Super League rules (like what happened to Aris). The SL clubs took a vote on whether to allow Pana to stay in the league according to Alafouzos's promises of restructuring. The SL teams (
including Olympiacos) voted to keep Pana in the league. This was in 2012.
Now Pana's debt will grow. Alafouzos is probably hoping for a top 5 finish so he can tell the banks he may make some euro competition money - and thus take out more loans. The club is in a downward spiral and it needs to go lower to get rid of Alafouzos. He is so scared he doesn't even appear in public anymore or go to games. He convinced the knuckle-heads at gate13 he was the only one willing to save PAO - and they bought it. In reality, he has probably blocked far richer people taking over PAO. Alafouzos has also been sentenced twice to jail terms last month. He will probably pay the fines so he doesn't serve time in jail.
Citação de: Covenant em 27 de Janeiro de 2017, 19:13
Just another problem for AEK. More than a solution.
What a debut!! Straight to business. Two headers despite not scoring a header in 5 years! reuniaozw8.gif Clearly Levadiakos has defensive problems.
(https://i.snag.gy/2Tby6P.jpg)
His goals:
http://dai.ly/x5abd17
http://dai.ly/x5abiqj
(http://s2.aek365.com/uploads/articles/images/d/db5c6b741ab9cf67f743049d90fdb572_502953.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Fevereiro de 2017, 20:30
Citação de: Covenant em 27 de Janeiro de 2017, 19:13
Just another problem for AEK. More than a solution.
What a debut!! Straight to business. Two headers despite not scoring a header in 5 years! reuniaozw8.gif Clearly Levadiakos has defensive problems.
(https://i.snag.gy/2Tby6P.jpg)
His goals:
http://dai.ly/x5abd17
http://dai.ly/x5abiqj
(http://s2.aek365.com/uploads/articles/images/d/db5c6b741ab9cf67f743049d90fdb572_502953.jpg)
Buonnanotte was also good in the beginning.
Citação de: Covenant em 02 de Fevereiro de 2017, 00:54
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Fevereiro de 2017, 20:30
Citação de: Covenant em 27 de Janeiro de 2017, 19:13
Just another problem for AEK. More than a solution.
What a debut!! Straight to business. Two headers despite not scoring a header in 5 years! reuniaozw8.gif Clearly Levadiakos has defensive problems.
(https://i.snag.gy/2Tby6P.jpg)
His goals:
http://dai.ly/x5abd17
http://dai.ly/x5abiqj
(http://s2.aek365.com/uploads/articles/images/d/db5c6b741ab9cf67f743049d90fdb572_502953.jpg)
Buonnanotte was also good in the beginning.
He was. In fact I thought he was good most the time, coach didn't like him though. By the time he left he had more goals per minutes played than nearly anyone else in Greece.
BTW remember when you asked me a PAO going the way of Aris? Rumours now that PAO's debt is now way over their overall value as a club if everything is sold. This is the ratio that gets you demoted to the third division under Greek law.
Such a Shame a club like Panathinaikos in that situation.
Indeed heart-breaking.. but with signings like these..anyone can beat them
(https://scontent.fbrs1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/16406703_1854978481381501_5264633737670247719_n.jpg?oh=7c445f2fc4ff9ad16775360c5933bd05&oe=59140601)
However - Greeks will help out Panathinaikos. They will most likely reduce the amount of teams in the league yet again..to 14 next season. That should equate to €1-2 million extra for Panathinaikos as smaller teams who often beat Panathinaikos like Platanias are pushed out because they are 'small.'
Sa Pinto back at Atromitos:
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article4515152.ece/BINARY/w620/sapinto_site.jpg)
Some hot prospects are emerging in the Greek League !
Leonardo Koutris (PAS Giannina)
Igor Carioca (Asteras Tripolis)
Taxiarchis Fountas (Panionios)
Dimitrios Limnios (Atromitos)
Albert Roussos (Iraklis)
and of course...
Panagiotis Retsos (Olympiacos)
Faliro, what can you tell me about them ?
Especially Retsos. :)
Citação de: Blitzer em 20 de Fevereiro de 2017, 17:29
Some hot prospects are emerging in the Greek League !
Leonardo Koutris (PAS Giannina)
Igor Carioca (Asteras Tripolis)
Taxiarchis Fountas (Panionios)
Dimitrios Limnios (Atromitos)
Albert Roussos (Iraklis)
and of course...
Panagiotis Retsos (Olympiacos)
Faliro, what can you tell me about them ?
Especially Retsos. :)
I can tell you I want a cut of any transfer fee you negotiate if you are an agent. Even a couple of 1000 euros! I am not greedy! PM me your details.
:)
I will give write ups in them tomorrow.
Leonardo Koutris (PAS Giannina) - Brazilain mother - Greek father and holds joint nationality I believe. Steady player. Nothing spectacular.
Igor Carioca (Asteras Tripolis) - Asteras currently having their worse season in memory. The Brazilian is hard to judge due to Asteras having been raped many times defensively this season.
Taxiarchis Fountas (Panionios) - Should actually be spelt 'Foudas' but he has said nothing like most Greeks and his name has been translated literally - missing the diphthong 'nt' which should equal 'd.' Good attacking player. Has a future if he works hard.
Dimitrios Limnios (Atromitos) Have seen nothing of this player so can't comment.
Albert Roussos (Iraklis) Have not seen him play. I suspect he is half Spanish as he has a duel nationality.
and of course...
Panagiotis Retsos (Olympiacos) Nothing much to say on this on this one. At 18 he is already twice the player Figueiras is - better passer, better tackler - more aggression and faster and yet.. Retsos isn't even a full-back! He was originally a CB and the last few games he has been played as a DM and has done well as usual. Blue chip player.
Faliro you´re in our newsppaper today :rir:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5MJC0WXAAEYH0S.jpg)
The tittle says:
Braga´s Party has come to Athenas
Citação de: Slipknot_BMC em 21 de Fevereiro de 2017, 14:02
Faliro you´re in our newsppaper today :rir:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5MJC0WXAAEYH0S.jpg)
The tittle says:
Braga´s Party has come to Athenas
:rir:
When I saw the name I immediately thought of the Platanias Giakoumakis!
(http://ssl.superleaguegreece.net/img/uploads/big/145311062674.jpg)
Zeca got called up for our qualifier as he now has a Greek passport. :estrelas:
Skibbe called up the usual old garbage who are not currently even playing.. like Maniatis..
On a plus he called up Androutsos and Manthatis. O0
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:32
Zeca got called up for our qualifier as he now has a Greek passport. :estrelas:
Skibbe called up the usual old garbage who are not currently even playing.. like Maniatis..
On a plus he called up Androutsos and Manthatis. O0
New low for the greek NT.
Citação de: HJDK em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:34
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:32
Zeca got called up for our qualifier as he now has a Greek passport. :estrelas:
Skibbe called up the usual old garbage who are not currently even playing.. like Maniatis..
On a plus he called up Androutsos and Manthatis. O0
New low for the greek NT.
Indeed.. Tziolis, Maniatis, Zeca, Tzavellas, Ekonomou, Stafylidis.. Vellios? Absolute Garbage. We have far far better players. Maniatis hasn't played any football for a year!
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:40
Citação de: HJDK em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:34
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:32
Zeca got called up for our qualifier as he now has a Greek passport. :estrelas:
Skibbe called up the usual old garbage who are not currently even playing.. like Maniatis..
On a plus he called up Androutsos and Manthatis. O0
New low for the greek NT.
Indeed.. Tziolis, Maniatis, Zeca, Tzavellas, Ekonomou, Stafylidis.. Vellios? Absolute Garbage. We have far far better players. Maniatis hasn't played any football for a year!
Vellios is so, so bad. :rir:
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:40
Citação de: HJDK em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:34
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:32
Zeca got called up for our qualifier as he now has a Greek passport. :estrelas:
Skibbe called up the usual old garbage who are not currently even playing.. like Maniatis..
On a plus he called up Androutsos and Manthatis. O0
New low for the greek NT.
Indeed.. Tziolis, Maniatis, Zeca, Tzavellas, Ekonomou, Stafylidis.. Vellios? Absolute Garbage. We have far far better players. Maniatis hasn't played any football for a year!
But on the other hand, you have God playing by your side... :coolsmiley:
(http://i.giphy.com/89uVNlznpifCM.gif)
Citação de: e.pluribus.unum em 16 de Março de 2017, 01:23
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:40
Citação de: HJDK em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:34
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:32
Zeca got called up for our qualifier as he now has a Greek passport. :estrelas:
Skibbe called up the usual old garbage who are not currently even playing.. like Maniatis..
On a plus he called up Androutsos and Manthatis. O0
New low for the greek NT.
Indeed.. Tziolis, Maniatis, Zeca, Tzavellas, Ekonomou, Stafylidis.. Vellios? Absolute Garbage. We have far far better players. Maniatis hasn't played any football for a year!
But on the other hand, you have God playing by your side... :coolsmiley:
(http://i.giphy.com/89uVNlznpifCM.gif)
True, but who is going to pass to him? Maniatis? Tziolis? Stafylidis? Mitroglou is surrounded by shit in the Greek NT.
Maniatis? Oh god.
Citação de: Faliro em 16 de Março de 2017, 12:02
Citação de: e.pluribus.unum em 16 de Março de 2017, 01:23
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:40
Citação de: HJDK em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:34
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:32
Zeca got called up for our qualifier as he now has a Greek passport. :estrelas:
Skibbe called up the usual old garbage who are not currently even playing.. like Maniatis..
On a plus he called up Androutsos and Manthatis. O0
New low for the greek NT.
Indeed.. Tziolis, Maniatis, Zeca, Tzavellas, Ekonomou, Stafylidis.. Vellios? Absolute Garbage. We have far far better players. Maniatis hasn't played any football for a year!
But on the other hand, you have God playing by your side... :coolsmiley:
(http://i.giphy.com/89uVNlznpifCM.gif)
True, but who is going to pass to him? Maniatis? Tziolis? Stafylidis? Mitroglou is surrounded by shit in the Greek NT.
You are forgetting Samaris...
Katsouranis is in the reserve squad, I can almost bet.
Citação de: Faliro em 16 de Março de 2017, 12:02
Citação de: e.pluribus.unum em 16 de Março de 2017, 01:23
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:40
Citação de: HJDK em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:34
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:32
Zeca got called up for our qualifier as he now has a Greek passport. :estrelas:
Skibbe called up the usual old garbage who are not currently even playing.. like Maniatis..
On a plus he called up Androutsos and Manthatis. O0
New low for the greek NT.
Indeed.. Tziolis, Maniatis, Zeca, Tzavellas, Ekonomou, Stafylidis.. Vellios? Absolute Garbage. We have far far better players. Maniatis hasn't played any football for a year!
But on the other hand, you have God playing by your side... :coolsmiley:
(http://i.giphy.com/89uVNlznpifCM.gif)
True, but who is going to pass to him? Maniatis? Tziolis? Stafylidis? Mitroglou is surrounded by shit in the Greek NT.
He doesn't need anyone. :)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/mnfY0B7m4OP4c/giphy.gif)
Citação de: e.pluribus.unum em 17 de Março de 2017, 01:41
Citação de: Faliro em 16 de Março de 2017, 12:02
Citação de: e.pluribus.unum em 16 de Março de 2017, 01:23
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:40
Citação de: HJDK em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:34
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:32
Zeca got called up for our qualifier as he now has a Greek passport. :estrelas:
Skibbe called up the usual old garbage who are not currently even playing.. like Maniatis..
On a plus he called up Androutsos and Manthatis. O0
New low for the greek NT.
Indeed.. Tziolis, Maniatis, Zeca, Tzavellas, Ekonomou, Stafylidis.. Vellios? Absolute Garbage. We have far far better players. Maniatis hasn't played any football for a year!
But on the other hand, you have God playing by your side... :coolsmiley:
(http://i.giphy.com/89uVNlznpifCM.gif)
True, but who is going to pass to him? Maniatis? Tziolis? Stafylidis? Mitroglou is surrounded by shit in the Greek NT.
He doesn't need anyone. :)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/mnfY0B7m4OP4c/giphy.gif)
Do you have a gif against Braga? That was savage.
But yeah, he's surrounded by mediocrity in the NT.
Citação de: HJDK em 17 de Março de 2017, 01:44
Citação de: e.pluribus.unum em 17 de Março de 2017, 01:41
Citação de: Faliro em 16 de Março de 2017, 12:02
Citação de: e.pluribus.unum em 16 de Março de 2017, 01:23
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:40
Citação de: HJDK em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:34
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Março de 2017, 12:32
Zeca got called up for our qualifier as he now has a Greek passport. :estrelas:
Skibbe called up the usual old garbage who are not currently even playing.. like Maniatis..
On a plus he called up Androutsos and Manthatis. O0
New low for the greek NT.
Indeed.. Tziolis, Maniatis, Zeca, Tzavellas, Ekonomou, Stafylidis.. Vellios? Absolute Garbage. We have far far better players. Maniatis hasn't played any football for a year!
But on the other hand, you have God playing by your side... :coolsmiley:
(http://i.giphy.com/89uVNlznpifCM.gif)
True, but who is going to pass to him? Maniatis? Tziolis? Stafylidis? Mitroglou is surrounded by shit in the Greek NT.
He doesn't need anyone. :)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/mnfY0B7m4OP4c/giphy.gif)
Do you have a gif against Braga? That was savage.
But yeah, he's surrounded by mediocrity in the NT.
Mediocrity would be fine by me - I wish Mitroglou was surrounded by Greek mediocrity.. Mitroglou is surrounded by Greek players in the NT that are so shit, they are likely to tackle him by accident as he makes his way towards the opposition's goal.. I have actually seen this happen before. They get in his way when he is on one of his runs.. and the players collide.. :crazy2: Also I have lost count of how many shots get blocked by a fellow Greek teammate by accident. :estrelas: No one moves out the fucking way. No coach has the balls to say - listen - when Fortounis or Mitroglou get the ball - get the fuck out their way. Greeks are such natural communists. I am sure the coach is as well. 'The whole team is equal' etc.. 'each player is an important as the next..' etc 'We win and lose together.' In reality - every Greek game I watch - there are usually at least two Greek players who seem to be playing for the opposition. Not because they are traitors.. just because their skill level is so poor - they actually do more damage remaining on the pitch than if they had been sent off. These type of players give the ball away deep in our own half.. - they break up our attacks with miss-placed passes and bitch and whine more than actually watching the fucking ball.
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/17/03/21/135528.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/17/03/21/135542.jpg)
https://youtu.be/FNqmJzMQhO8?t=95
Zeca speaking fluent Greek! ^^ Kudos for that at least! :rir: José Carlos Gonçalves Rodrigues AKA Zeca will from this day forth be know as Iosifipos Karlos Gonkalvolas Rodrigas AKA Ζέκα. :rir:
The training session, most the bug hitters are there, Manolas, Mitro, Sokratis etc - including Zeca:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PppcprDsno
Any Greek citizen here can answer me a question please?
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Citação de: Peteroak em 26 de Março de 2017, 21:16
Any Greek citizen here can answer me a question please?
Enviado do meu ONE A2003 através de Tapatalk
Not a Greek citizen but I may be able to help. O0
I need a legit check on a greek e-store, i don't know if this is appropriate to ask here but if anyone helped... I ould be very grateful.
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I don't know many e-stores in Greece. What store?
Greece cup semi finals :
Panathinaikos vs PAOK
Olympiakos vs AEK
PAOK well beaten by PAO
HT:
OSFP 1
AEK1
Very entertaining game. Figueiras scored a corker. Second half to start soon.
1-2 AEK. FT.
They deserved it. Far better in attack than us. Could have had 3 or more.
AEK won 1-2.
Panathinaikos and AEK in a good position.
Yea, I dont think we have the weaponry to go to the OAKA and beat them. They will sell close to 40k and will make sure they are in the final. Jiminez is a very good coach and uses his players well.
Cardozo should not have started today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLhu32ynpbM
Congrats Faliro :)
Citação de: sammer em 23 de Abril de 2017, 17:57
Congrats Faliro :)
Thanks Sammer!
This and then Barcelona... my two native bloods....
What a great night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
Congratulations Faliro. :)
4-0, PAOK in the cup final
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 27 de Abril de 2017, 23:01
4-0, PAOK in the cup final
Yep and all indications are that the final will be played in the PanCretan Stadium:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/17/04/28/081115.jpg?w=880&f=bicubic)
Another season in the second division for Aris... :disgust: :tickedoff:
Citação de: RodriE em 01 de Maio de 2017, 12:28
Another season in the second division for Aris... :disgust: :tickedoff:
Really sad.
Citação de: RodriE em 01 de Maio de 2017, 12:28
Another season in the second division for Aris... :disgust: :tickedoff:
Very poor management. Plus Apollon (glad to see back actually) had better players.
Aris is a team that need to be super league for all concerned. They tried hard this year but could not make it - even the refs were helping them out from time to time and it was not enough... They of course pretended the refs were against them and stated that publicly.. but the team just wasn't good enough.
In other news, the EPO stupidly decided to hold the cup final in the Panthessalian stadium in Volos. Capacity..22,000.. This was due to Savvidis convincing the idiots at the EPO the OAKA stadium favours AEK.
(https://e-thessalia.gr/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/panthessaliko_205856625.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Maio de 2017, 17:40
Citação de: RodriE em 01 de Maio de 2017, 12:28
Another season in the second division for Aris... :disgust: :tickedoff:
Very poor management. Plus Apollon (glad to see back actually) had better players.
Aris is a team that need to be super league for all concerned. They tried hard this year but could not make it - even the refs were helping them out from time to time and it was not enough... They of course pretended the refs were against them and stated that publicly.. but the team just wasn't good enough.
In other news, the EPO stupidly decided to hold the cup final in the Panthessalian stadium in Volos. Capacity..22,000.. This was due to Savvidis convincing the idiots at the EPO the OAKA stadium favours AEK.
(https://e-thessalia.gr/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/panthessaliko_205856625.jpg)
What about PanCretan stadium?
Citação de: Covenant em 01 de Maio de 2017, 18:19
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Maio de 2017, 17:40
Citação de: RodriE em 01 de Maio de 2017, 12:28
Another season in the second division for Aris... :disgust: :tickedoff:
Very poor management. Plus Apollon (glad to see back actually) had better players.
Aris is a team that need to be super league for all concerned. They tried hard this year but could not make it - even the refs were helping them out from time to time and it was not enough... They of course pretended the refs were against them and stated that publicly.. but the team just wasn't good enough.
In other news, the EPO stupidly decided to hold the cup final in the Panthessalian stadium in Volos. Capacity..22,000.. This was due to Savvidis convincing the idiots at the EPO the OAKA stadium favours AEK.
(https://e-thessalia.gr/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/panthessaliko_205856625.jpg)
What about PanCretan stadium?
EPO decided against it. I think Savvidis wanted a stadium equidistant between Athens and Salonika. Why anyone even listened to him is beyond absurd.
Seems AEK will play in the Cup Final tonight in their classic strip but with yellow shorts/socks.
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p403x403/18222002_1587134484661357_4521236926429514789_n.jpg?oh=bb3af910ebb81135f3e6fb45bde06774&oe=59BB7F60)
There were rumours a few days ago that Mel had agreed to throw the game and let PAOK win. :crazy2:
Breathtaking violence before kick-off:
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659176.ece/BINARY/w620/kentriki.jpg)
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/scale_n_crop_812x457/public/article/2017-05/0050142173_symplokes_1.jpg?itok=j5pzgWA1)
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/sitefiles_2017-05/1683090.jpg)
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/sitefiles_2017-05/1683012.jpg)
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/sitefiles_2017-05/1682838.jpg)
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/sitefiles_2017-05/1683146.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659144.ece/BINARY/original/ep1.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659145.ece/BINARY/original/ep2.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659146.ece/BINARY/original/ep3.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659156.ece/BINARY/original/ep6.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659159.ece/BINARY/original/ep7.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659211.ece/BINARY/original/ap1.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659174.ece/BINARY/original/ep11.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659187.ece/BINARY/original/ep13.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659188.ece/BINARY/original/ep14.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659196.ece/BINARY/original/ep15.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659198.ece/BINARY/original/ep16.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659212.ece/BINARY/original/ap2.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659214.ece/BINARY/original/ap4.jpg)
^^ :rir:
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659218.ece/BINARY/original/ap5.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659220.ece/BINARY/original/ap6.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659222.ece/BINARY/original/ap7.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659223.ece/BINARY/original/ap8.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659224.ece/BINARY/original/ep1.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659227.ece/BINARY/original/ep3.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659239.ece/BINARY/original/ep5.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659252.ece/BINARY/original/ep2.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659261.ece/BINARY/original/ap1.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659299.ece/BINARY/original/rr1.jpg)
Come to Greece, live you Myth - Fight on the colonnade of the Gods:
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659301.ece/BINARY/original/rr3.jpg)
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(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article4659304.ece/BINARY/original/rr4.jpg)
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Just another Day in Greece.
The goalkeeper of PAOK is always so shitty?
Besides that, good victory for them.
It was funny seeing PAOK fans giving Savvidis hugs.
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Maio de 2017, 04:25
Just another Day in Greece.
The goalkeeper of PAOK is always so shitty?
Besides that, good victory for them.
It was funny seeing PAOK fans giving Savvidis hugs.
Actually the PAOK keeper is usually solid. I think he probably just got nervous. Was a ridiculous error. Could see he was in shock for much of the game after that mistake.
PAOK's winning goal was offside. Clearly. The linesman apologised, said he is devastated after the game and said he is quitting football as a result of his decision.
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It Wasn't a Easy decision. Too many players moving in different directions.
This should teach the owners of the Volos stadium to avoid dealing with Savvidis again.
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And to think - the convicted criminal Beos said there was enough security and Sport-FM and others gave him a platform to say that before kick-off! :rir:
It looks like a terrorist attack. :o
Citação de: Cloughie em 07 de Maio de 2017, 15:45
It looks like a terrorist attack. :o
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More videos emerging of the riots.
Video 1 (mad)
http://www.sport-fm.gr/videos/24084493
Video 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve0l_K12KZo
AEK 0
Panionios 1
FT
:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:
PAO vs PAOK now live. 1-0 to PAO. Two reds (one each team)....and a massive fight between the teams after.
Game stopped! Some idiot threw a full can of beer on Vladan Ivic's head!!!!!
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Here is the actual incident. Seems it was a can of Alfa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDPy8O8jIKU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzqWZ9mVYzs
Off to hospital for stitches and a scan.
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This playoff thing is completely stupid.
Iraklis not given a licence to compete in the Super league next season. They will therefore be thrown out the Super League next season. They were going to appeal - but today dropped their appeal. They will try and appeal under another method most likely. Levadiakos will therefore stay in the SL.
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2017, 13:39
Iraklis not given a licence to compete in the Super league next season. They will therefore be thrown out the Super League next season. They were going to appeal - but today dropped their appeal. They will try and appeal under another method most likely. Levadiakos will therefore stay in the SL.
Not even in this way can Aris get to the superleague... >:(
Citação de: RodriE em 26 de Maio de 2017, 15:44
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2017, 13:39
Iraklis not given a licence to compete in the Super league next season. They will therefore be thrown out the Super League next season. They were going to appeal - but today dropped their appeal. They will try and appeal under another method most likely. Levadiakos will therefore stay in the SL.
Not even in this way can Aris get to the superleague... >:(
You can guarantee Aris are looking as every single possible way to sneak in. The Greek Super League is fairly unique in that most teams work almost as hard getting each other thrown out the league through the courts as they do winning on the pitch. PAOK has been officially present at all the hearings concerning the Olympiacos vs Platanias debacle - to make sure Olympiacos are gravely damaged and Olympiacos is doing the same over the PAOK vs AEK cup final riots.
Aris will definitely exhaust all legal loopholes to get in the SL for next season.
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2017, 16:46
Citação de: RodriE em 26 de Maio de 2017, 15:44
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2017, 13:39
Iraklis not given a licence to compete in the Super league next season. They will therefore be thrown out the Super League next season. They were going to appeal - but today dropped their appeal. They will try and appeal under another method most likely. Levadiakos will therefore stay in the SL.
Not even in this way can Aris get to the superleague... >:(
You can guarantee Aris are looking as every single possible way to sneak in. The Greek Super League is fairly unique in that most teams work almost as hard getting each other thrown out the league through the courts as they do winning on the pitch. PAOK has been officially present at all the hearings concerning the Olympiacos vs Platanias debacle - to make sure Olympiacos are gravely damaged and Olympiacos is doing the same over the PAOK vs AEK cup final riots.
Aris will definitely exhaust all legal loopholes to get in the SL for next season.
I really hope that they can get in. The league needs them badly.
Citação de: RodriE em 26 de Maio de 2017, 16:50
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2017, 16:46
Citação de: RodriE em 26 de Maio de 2017, 15:44
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2017, 13:39
Iraklis not given a licence to compete in the Super league next season. They will therefore be thrown out the Super League next season. They were going to appeal - but today dropped their appeal. They will try and appeal under another method most likely. Levadiakos will therefore stay in the SL.
Not even in this way can Aris get to the superleague... >:(
You can guarantee Aris are looking as every single possible way to sneak in. The Greek Super League is fairly unique in that most teams work almost as hard getting each other thrown out the league through the courts as they do winning on the pitch. PAOK has been officially present at all the hearings concerning the Olympiacos vs Platanias debacle - to make sure Olympiacos are gravely damaged and Olympiacos is doing the same over the PAOK vs AEK cup final riots.
Aris will definitely exhaust all legal loopholes to get in the SL for next season.
I really hope that they can get in. The league needs them badly.
They have already tried to get the league to cut points off Lamia (2nd spot) for various reasons. However they may be exhausting the last options they have. They are currently trying to get Apollon's very stringent and workaholic current technical director (Apollon won the league) which tells me they are planning for another season in the Championship.
Panathinaikos should have won the play-off, but because of their stupid fans they finished in third behind AEK and PAOK.
Citação de: Covenant em 01 de Junho de 2017, 17:56
Panathinaikos should have won the play-off, but because of their stupid fans they finished in third behind AEK and PAOK.
Correct. Alafouzos - the president - spread rumours in the press he would quit after the can hit Ivic. This week however he did a 360 and said he will stay.. as usual. The person who threw the can was caught - you could not get a more stereotypical hooligan. Was using his dad's season ticket and has a history violence. He must be a hero by now - even though he personally cost his club perhaps over 4 million euros at the very least. Moledo walked away from the club on Monday (key defender for them) and Leto left today with no warning. Their debts have also gone up. However they seem happy with Alafouzos, so good luck to them.
AEK managed to get in the CL quals. They need to somehow get Araujo back from Las Palmas. Construction on their new stadium should start in a few months.
Faliro round-up.
Ivic sacked from PAOK.
Vitor Pereira and Kasami sentenced to jail for 8 months - suspended for three years for absolutely nothing.
0-0 With Bosnia today - Greek NT attacked after the game. Bosnian assistant punched Gianniotas so hard - he knocked out his teeth:
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PAOK wants Miguel Leal?
Citação de: RodriE em 13 de Junho de 2017, 18:30
PAOK wants Miguel Leal?
Have not heard his name as of yet. Răzvan Lucescu seems to be favourite. He left Xanthi and is now free.
Faliro what you think about Panathinaikos keeper?
Citação de: Covenant em 14 de Junho de 2017, 20:43
Faliro what you think about Panathinaikos keeper?
You must mean Vlachodimos? Good shot stopper however made a few mistakes later in the season through lack of concentration. Needs to improve a lot. However, he has much potential with the correct coaching. Needs to toughen up.
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Junho de 2017, 22:37
Citação de: Covenant em 14 de Junho de 2017, 20:43
Faliro what you think about Panathinaikos keeper?
You must mean Vlachodimos? Good shot stopper however made a few mistakes later in the season through lack of concentration. Needs to improve a lot. However, he has much potential with the correct coaching. Needs to toughen up.
Thanks bro.
PAOK announce Aleksandar Stanojević as their new coach.
Helder Lopes to AEK.
Livaja & Araujo too.
Citação de: RodriE em 20 de Junho de 2017, 13:56
Helder Lopes to AEK.
Straight swap for Didac Vila who just left.
Livaja is extremely close but both AEK and Las Palmas deny there has been any discussion for Arajuo.
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This will be AEK's 10th Portuguese player in their history:
António Folha
Bruno Alves
Geraldo Alves
Manú
Edinho
Yago Fernández
Helder Barbosa
Simoes
Almeida
Apollon are trying to get Chori who has left Olympiacos. They cannot offer as much money as Olympiacos was paying Chori but they are aware Chori wants to stay in Athens and they can guarantee him football. They are basically saying - come here and have some fun..
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/apollonon-smirnis/to-story-toy-tsori-me-apollwna.4729732.html
Berg is appealing the decision of PAO not to sell him to the arabs for around €5 million.
He is desperate to leave but Alafouzos wants to keep him.
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Junho de 2017, 14:03
Berg is appealing the decision of PAO not to sell him to the arabs for around €5 million.
He is desperate to leave but Alafouzos wants to keep him.
Good player, I follow since the European under 21 in Sweden. Berg and Toivonen scored a lot of goals, but after that never got what they deserved because a lot of reasons.
In Middle East he can have a lot of money, but I would prefer see him in a good European club. Benfica, Ajax or something like that.
Citação de: Covenant em 21 de Junho de 2017, 15:05
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Junho de 2017, 14:03
Berg is appealing the decision of PAO not to sell him to the arabs for around €5 million.
He is desperate to leave but Alafouzos wants to keep him.
Good player, I follow since the European under 21 in Sweden. Berg and Toivonen scored a lot of goals, but after that never got what they deserved because a lot of reasons.
In Middle East he can have a lot of money, but I would prefer see him in a good European club. Benfica, Ajax or something like that.
A few PAO fans are going into meltdown.. even blaming Olympiacos and the 'fixed league'.. :crazy2:
However most PAO fans understand the club is going no where under Alafouzos and understand why Berg wants out.
Faliro, is Panathinaikos situation that bad? I read that they are in risk of ending like Rangers.
Citação de: Playah em 23 de Junho de 2017, 20:36
Faliro, is Panathinaikos situation that bad? I read that they are in risk of ending like Rangers.
Very bad and may I say I have been laughing all day? Literally all day I have been checking phone for the latest hammer blow. Is that bad of me? I have been taking so much pleasure in it.
Began 2 weeks ago. Players and staff have not been paid for months. So Leto walks last week. Says goodbye and leaves. Doesn't hint why although today he said: 'PAO is a big club with a management that does not match..' Either way he left. That was a forewarning. Next. This week Berg is in the Emirates and deactivates comments on his Facebook and Twitter! Everyone is like wtf?? He was trying to sign with an Arab team! PAO knew nothing. He was certainly not on holiday. Then it turns out he is actively trying sign with an Arab team who have given him a 24 deadline to cut his ties with PAO! PAO block the move (imagine not paying a player but blocking him talking to other clubs.. :crazy2:). Berg makes an official complaint to be released from PAO! It is now in the courts - but no way is he coming back. Hult and Klonaridis want out too!! Then - it all kicked off last night when there were rumours Ouzounidis (their coach) is quitting! So some PAO hooligans go down to the PAO offices and smash the place today! Only problem - it was not Ouzounidis quitting - the rumour was wrong - it was the technical director Lyberopoulos who quit saying he couldn't work under these circumstances (ie - no pay and Alafouzos fucking up everything he touches!).
People are jumping like rats off a sinking ship. Club is in complete free-fall. Even at this late stage - G13 - the pot-head hooligans who control the amateur (all Greek teams by law have an amateur section of control) are kinda still backing Alafouzos and Alafouzos himself is pretending nothing weird is happening.
Small club.
Robert Mak is back! Good player.
Citação de: Covenant em 05 de Julho de 2017, 07:32
Robert Mak is back! Good player.
He is a total prick. Spat at a ref and the ref's decision was correct. Of course that made him an instant fan favourite at PAOK.
Faliro, when starts greece league?
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Junho de 2017, 11:20
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This will be AEK's 10th Portuguese player in their history:
António Folha
Bruno Alves
Geraldo Alves
Manú
Edinho
Yago Fernández
Helder Barbosa
Simoes
Almeida
AEK's kit is amazing!
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 05 de Julho de 2017, 16:03
Faliro, when starts greece league?
I am not sure it has been decided but probably some time in August.
Citação de: NicoGaitan10 em 06 de Julho de 2017, 14:40
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Junho de 2017, 11:20
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This will be AEK's 10th Portuguese player in their history:
António Folha
Bruno Alves
Geraldo Alves
Manú
Edinho
Yago Fernández
Helder Barbosa
Simoes
Almeida
AEK's kit is amazing!
Kinda liked their old ones in the 90s.
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Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Julho de 2017, 16:32
Citação de: NicoGaitan10 em 06 de Julho de 2017, 14:40
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Junho de 2017, 11:20
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This will be AEK's 10th Portuguese player in their history:
António Folha
Bruno Alves
Geraldo Alves
Manú
Edinho
Yago Fernández
Helder Barbosa
Simoes
Almeida
AEK's kit is amazing!
Kinda liked their old ones in the 90s.
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That kit seems a mess.
Have you seen the signing of Emenike?
Citação de: NicoGaitan10 em 06 de Julho de 2017, 17:19
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Julho de 2017, 16:32
Citação de: NicoGaitan10 em 06 de Julho de 2017, 14:40
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Junho de 2017, 11:20
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This will be AEK's 10th Portuguese player in their history:
António Folha
Bruno Alves
Geraldo Alves
Manú
Edinho
Yago Fernández
Helder Barbosa
Simoes
Almeida
AEK's kit is amazing!
Kinda liked their old ones in the 90s.
(http://static.pblogs.gr//62896-96-97.jpg)
That kit seems a mess.
Have you seen the signing of Emenike?
Yes. I am underwhelmed. Every Turk I have spoken to has said not only is he shit in front of goal, he also has massive psychological problems.
Andriopoulos: The works start!
The project manager of "Agia Sophia" confirmed that within the week the dream will finally become reality.
The ... good news that AEK expects during the week for the stadium was confirmed by Dimitris Andriopoulos. The project manager of "Agia Sophia" talked about the historical moments that come, but also about the obstacles that came from third parties ...
"I thought that the route until the license authorization, reminded a Marathon. Ultimately, it was probably the ... "round of France"! But now, we have managed to get to the finish! We literally count only a few days. It remains only a few days to get the license in our hands and get started. We are ready and I can tell you that the project will start immediately and will not stop until the stadium is over.
We lost a lot of time in the past month, with questions that arose from ... third parties. However, we have managed to overcome the obstacles that have arisen and to find ourselves at the end of the journey. The AEK stadium will begin in the coming days to be constructed. I do not know whether it will be Tuesday or Wednesday, but it will be one of the next few days"
Citação de: Covenant em 24 de Julho de 2017, 15:19
Andriopoulos: The works start!
The project manager of "Agia Sophia" confirmed that within the week the dream will finally become reality.
The ... good news that AEK expects during the week for the stadium was confirmed by Dimitris Andriopoulos. The project manager of "Agia Sophia" talked about the historical moments that come, but also about the obstacles that came from third parties ...
"I thought that the route until the license authorization, reminded a Marathon. Ultimately, it was probably the ... "round of France"! But now, we have managed to get to the finish! We literally count only a few days. It remains only a few days to get the license in our hands and get started. We are ready and I can tell you that the project will start immediately and will not stop until the stadium is over.
We lost a lot of time in the past month, with questions that arose from ... third parties. However, we have managed to overcome the obstacles that have arisen and to find ourselves at the end of the journey. The AEK stadium will begin in the coming days to be constructed. I do not know whether it will be Tuesday or Wednesday, but it will be one of the next few days"
What a journey it has been. And to think AEK are back in the CL qualifier tonight for the first time in 10 years! It is definitely emotional. I will update with the works of the stadium. This project will be vital to AEK, the Greek League, jobs, Olympiacos (more competitive league) - and nearly every aspect of Greece. It will also add some spice to European competition as AEK were very strong at home in their old stadium before the demolition and subsequent homelessness. A very big moment for Greek football and the country as a whole.
Panathinaikos should left their shitty stadium and go for a new One. In Votanikos or another place.
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Julho de 2017, 13:57
Panathinaikos should left their shitty stadium and go for a new One. In Votanikos or another place.
They were going too. Manuel Salgado designed an €80 million stadium for them at Votanikos. Everything was set but then they went into severe debt. Here is the project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NKjgWCVvQk
Now the Govt has promised them a site to build a new stadium at Goudi (East Athens - good area).
http://www.ekathimerini.com/218776/article/ekathimerini/sports/sports-digest-deal-signed-for-new-panathinaikos-stadium
PAO will never do anything with Alafouzos in charge. AEK are not even back in the Super League 5 minutes and they are already ahead of PAO in every way.
Two massive games where Greece needs co-efficient points tonight. We sit currently in 15th.
AEK vs CSKA tonight at 6.30pm at the OAKA.
Partizan vs Olympiacos at 7.45pm.
Two tough opponents for the Greeks.
AEK already out.
Citação de: Covenant em 26 de Julho de 2017, 04:26
AEK already out.
As I said a few posts ago before the game, they will get raped by CSKA. They simply dont have the players to hurt CSKA and Arajuo is not coming back.
The interesting thing is their owner, Tiger, stated last week AEK have the best team in the Super League this year..
Citação de: Covenant em 24 de Julho de 2017, 15:19
Andriopoulos: The works start!
The project manager of "Agia Sophia" confirmed that within the week the dream will finally become reality.
The ... good news that AEK expects during the week for the stadium was confirmed by Dimitris Andriopoulos. The project manager of "Agia Sophia" talked about the historical moments that come, but also about the obstacles that came from third parties ...
"I thought that the route until the license authorization, reminded a Marathon. Ultimately, it was probably the ... "round of France"! But now, we have managed to get to the finish! We literally count only a few days. It remains only a few days to get the license in our hands and get started. We are ready and I can tell you that the project will start immediately and will not stop until the stadium is over.
We lost a lot of time in the past month, with questions that arose from ... third parties. However, we have managed to overcome the obstacles that have arisen and to find ourselves at the end of the journey. The AEK stadium will begin in the coming days to be constructed. I do not know whether it will be Tuesday or Wednesday, but it will be one of the next few days"
Licence issued yesterday. It's official. It will be built starting immediately. Tomorrow there will be a celebration at the plot. Tiger has been trying to loan your eagle for the celebrations.
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As promised, updates on the AEK stadium.
Sanctification of the ground last night.
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AEK wanted One of our Eagles in the inauguration!
Citação de: Covenant em 28 de Julho de 2017, 14:39
AEK wanted One of our Eagles in the inauguration!
Yea, Benfica told them the new environment would not be beneficial to the animal. AEK also tried to get Lazio's eagle (the one that was bizarrely attacked by a crow not too long ago).
I think Benfica thought this would happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koo8XG8P1Vc
PAO vs Bilbao :coolsmiley:
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AEK vs Brugge
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PAOK vs Ostersund FK
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Sadly Panionios got knocked out last night by the Israelis.
Paok is the only favourite...
AEK's new stadium will be called Hagia Sophia?
That's such a turn on for me. I love it already!
Citação de: Gottschalk em 05 de Agosto de 2017, 19:32
AEK's new stadium will be called Hagia Sophia?
That's such a turn on for me. I love it already!
Yes. It will be known officially as the Agia Sophia Stadium (Στάδιο Αγία Σοφία). May later get a another nomen for marketing purposes - but I doubt anyone will use the marketing name. Earth works are continuing at an alarming rate. Most days AEK fans turn up at the site just to quietly watch the works - quite emotional. Some guy said a few days ago his friend saw them working there and they are very busy - but breaks for cigarettes every 5 minutes..
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I'm already in love with this Hagia Sophia project.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 06 de Agosto de 2017, 02:28
I'm already in love with this Hagia Sophia project.
The first phase is removing soil. They will excavate down to 8 meters. This should be completed around November. Then they will start foundation works. It is an interesting project and I will update you and others here as it takes shape. Small stadium however - only 31,000 but double tiered.
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Exceptionally small and urban site they are using.
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Will it have any motifs harking back to the famous constantinopolitan basilica?
Citação de: Gottschalk em 06 de Agosto de 2017, 13:41
Will it have any motifs harking back to the famous constantinopolitan basilica?
100s. Each gate except Gate 21 will be named after an important Greek city in Asia Minor. The interior has many Byzantine touches including a chapel.
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M A S T O D O N I C
Citação de: Gottschalk em 06 de Agosto de 2017, 14:06
M A S T O D O N I C
O0 O0
Gallery is here:
https://www.aekfc.gr/stp/agia-sofia-42938.htm?lang=el&path=-233246111
:o :o :o
Head of all refereeing in Greece is this gentleman as of today. Plenty of articles in Greek, will give you one in Portuguese:
http://www.tsf.pt/desporto/interior/vitor-pereira-vai-comandar-arbitragem-na-grecia-8665860.html
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Razvan Lucescu, son of Mircea Lucescu, is the new coach of PAOK.
https://twitter.com/PAOK_FC/status/895993950267469828
Citação de: Blitzer em 11 de Agosto de 2017, 16:00
Razvan Lucescu, son of Mircea Lucescu, is the new coach of PAOK.
https://twitter.com/PAOK_FC/status/895993950267469828
The serb only lasted 57 days I believe.. what a club. ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opjMQKMknR8
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Agosto de 2017, 17:36
Citação de: Blitzer em 11 de Agosto de 2017, 16:00
Razvan Lucescu, son of Mircea Lucescu, is the new coach of PAOK.
https://twitter.com/PAOK_FC/status/895993950267469828
The serb only lasted 57 days I believe.. what a club. ::)
Why?
Citação de: Covenant em 13 de Agosto de 2017, 23:01
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Agosto de 2017, 17:36
Citação de: Blitzer em 11 de Agosto de 2017, 16:00
Razvan Lucescu, son of Mircea Lucescu, is the new coach of PAOK.
https://twitter.com/PAOK_FC/status/895993950267469828
The serb only lasted 57 days I believe.. what a club. ::)
Why?
Team played badly in the friendly against Lamia and lost. That seems to be enough. I suspect Athanasiadis (hasn't scored in a year) is also angry the coach the didn't like him and wanted to get rid of him and sabotaged the coach best he could. Club is toxic and Savvidis's son who tweets more than Kim Kardashian is like the idiot arrogant son of a emperor.
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Agosto de 2017, 14:56
:o :o :o
Head of all refereeing in Greece is this gentleman as of today. Plenty of articles in Greek, will give you one in Portuguese:
http://www.tsf.pt/desporto/interior/vitor-pereira-vai-comandar-arbitragem-na-grecia-8665860.html
You couldn't find any former Greek referee for that?
Citação de: Festivus em 14 de Agosto de 2017, 11:41
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Agosto de 2017, 14:56
:o :o :o
Head of all refereeing in Greece is this gentleman as of today. Plenty of articles in Greek, will give you one in Portuguese:
http://www.tsf.pt/desporto/interior/vitor-pereira-vai-comandar-arbitragem-na-grecia-8665860.html
You couldn't find any former Greek referee for that?
Non-Olympiacos fans believe any Greek former ref is bought by Olympiacos.. and that foreign refs are honest. The guy before this one was Scottish.. :crazy2:
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Agosto de 2017, 18:00
Citação de: Festivus em 14 de Agosto de 2017, 11:41
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Agosto de 2017, 14:56
:o :o :o
Head of all refereeing in Greece is this gentleman as of today. Plenty of articles in Greek, will give you one in Portuguese:
http://www.tsf.pt/desporto/interior/vitor-pereira-vai-comandar-arbitragem-na-grecia-8665860.html
You couldn't find any former Greek referee for that?
Non-Olympiacos fans believe any Greek former ref is bought by Olympiacos.. and that foreign refs are honest. The guy before this one was Scottish.. :crazy2:
That's quite a slap in the face of the Greek federation.
Sometimes people talk about foreign refs here in Portugal.
Citação de: Festivus em 14 de Agosto de 2017, 18:10
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Agosto de 2017, 18:00
Citação de: Festivus em 14 de Agosto de 2017, 11:41
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Agosto de 2017, 14:56
:o :o :o
Head of all refereeing in Greece is this gentleman as of today. Plenty of articles in Greek, will give you one in Portuguese:
http://www.tsf.pt/desporto/interior/vitor-pereira-vai-comandar-arbitragem-na-grecia-8665860.html
You couldn't find any former Greek referee for that?
Non-Olympiacos fans believe any Greek former ref is bought by Olympiacos.. and that foreign refs are honest. The guy before this one was Scottish.. :crazy2:
That's quite a slap in the face of the Greek federation.
Sometimes people talk about foreign refs here in Portugal.
The Greek federation is influenced hugely by the big clubs who pressure the federation through the SL organisation represented by the club themselves. AEK, PAOK and PAO publicly announced they would unify their resources a few years ago to change Olympiacos's
corruption of the league. Up until mid last season - the 3 clubs were giving joint announcements some of the time! :crazy2: However most the rules brought in have ironically damaged themselves more than Olympiacos. The heavy penalties they backed for violence at games has almost entirely fallen on the clubs who produce the most violence at games and PAOK, AEK and PAO have lost many points and been punished with many closed games because of the laws. Olympiacos is the least violent of the 4 and has thus benefited the most. :rir:
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Agosto de 2017, 22:27
Citação de: Festivus em 14 de Agosto de 2017, 18:10
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Agosto de 2017, 18:00
Citação de: Festivus em 14 de Agosto de 2017, 11:41
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Agosto de 2017, 14:56
:o :o :o
Head of all refereeing in Greece is this gentleman as of today. Plenty of articles in Greek, will give you one in Portuguese:
http://www.tsf.pt/desporto/interior/vitor-pereira-vai-comandar-arbitragem-na-grecia-8665860.html
You couldn't find any former Greek referee for that?
Non-Olympiacos fans believe any Greek former ref is bought by Olympiacos.. and that foreign refs are honest. The guy before this one was Scottish.. :crazy2:
That's quite a slap in the face of the Greek federation.
Sometimes people talk about foreign refs here in Portugal.
The Greek federation is influenced hugely by the big clubs who pressure the federation through the SL organisation represented by the club themselves. AEK, PAOK and PAO publicly announced they would unify their resources a few years ago to change Olympiacos's corruption of the league. Up until mid last season - the 3 clubs were giving joint announcements some of the time! :crazy2: However most the rules brought in have ironically damaged themselves more than Olympiacos. The heavy penalties they backed for violence at games has almost entirely fallen on the clubs who produce the most violence at games and PAOK, AEK and PAO have lost many points and been punished with many closed games because of the laws. Olympiacos is the least violent of the 4 and has thus benefited the most. :rir:
Greek football is just like the portuguese one.
Olympiakos = Benfica
PAOK, PAO and AEK = Sporting and Porto
Citação de: NicoGaitan10 em 15 de Agosto de 2017, 15:38
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Agosto de 2017, 22:27
Citação de: Festivus em 14 de Agosto de 2017, 18:10
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Agosto de 2017, 18:00
Citação de: Festivus em 14 de Agosto de 2017, 11:41
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Agosto de 2017, 14:56
:o :o :o
Head of all refereeing in Greece is this gentleman as of today. Plenty of articles in Greek, will give you one in Portuguese:
http://www.tsf.pt/desporto/interior/vitor-pereira-vai-comandar-arbitragem-na-grecia-8665860.html
You couldn't find any former Greek referee for that?
Non-Olympiacos fans believe any Greek former ref is bought by Olympiacos.. and that foreign refs are honest. The guy before this one was Scottish.. :crazy2:
That's quite a slap in the face of the Greek federation.
Sometimes people talk about foreign refs here in Portugal.
The Greek federation is influenced hugely by the big clubs who pressure the federation through the SL organisation represented by the club themselves. AEK, PAOK and PAO publicly announced they would unify their resources a few years ago to change Olympiacos's corruption of the league. Up until mid last season - the 3 clubs were giving joint announcements some of the time! :crazy2: However most the rules brought in have ironically damaged themselves more than Olympiacos. The heavy penalties they backed for violence at games has almost entirely fallen on the clubs who produce the most violence at games and PAOK, AEK and PAO have lost many points and been punished with many closed games because of the laws. Olympiacos is the least violent of the 4 and has thus benefited the most. :rir:
Greek football is just like the portuguese one.
Olympiakos = Benfica
PAOK, PAO and AEK = Sporting and Porto
Sporting fans in particular remind me of PAO fans. Same nonsense.
EPO has a new president/ His first action today was to scrap the Super League Play-Offs!!
Good start imo.
:metal: :metal: :metal:
Signings these last few days:
Omar El Kaddouri to PAOK.
South Americans Andres Chavez and Emanuel Insúa to PAO.
PAOK :rir: The disgrace of Thessaloniki.
Citação de: RodriE em 24 de Agosto de 2017, 19:58
PAOK :rir: The disgrace of Thessaloniki.
You beat me to it!!! :2funny: :2funny:
I would have sympathy - but Savvidis and his saddam hussein-like son tweeting bullshit non-stop.. tough shit guys. Shitly organised club. Buy better players next time.
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AEK back in Europe for the first time in 6 years.
Welcome back guys.
Was a super game. Simoes was terrific. Could have been 6-0 with the amount of chances AEK made.
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Panathinaikos lose Zeca to Copenhagen!
Add to this..
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BTW they drew yesterday at home and looked very weak. Alafouzos blamed the Government for the draw however. :crazy2:
PAOK get back their icon.
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Also close Mauricio:
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AEK get back their icon.
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Here he is getting off the plane just now.. :tocha:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t_lTmhBAAo
Such gorgeous light Greece has in the early night.. all my life - it still captivates me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jusEPmcjO1o
Greeks.
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Spending this summer:
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Yesterday I was surprised with Greeks fans after their defeat. They cheered the team, I was expecting riots lol.
Citação de: Covenant em 04 de Setembro de 2017, 14:02
Yesterday I was surprised with Greeks fans after their defeat. They cheered the team, I was expecting riots lol.
Yea, I they love Skibbe for playing garbage like Tziolis every single game and starting the game with a flat back 6 vs Belgium. The press as well praised the spirit of the team and thought the game where we had 1 shitty shot on target against Estonia at home was 'unlucky.' Greek NT fans know nothing about football and the media even less. The EPO makes the NT selections. That is why Schuster refused to coach Greece. He came to sign - all financials had been agreed - however the minute he realised the EPO and agents decide the NT 11 - he got back on the plane 3 hours later and left Greece without signing. Skibbe was the brought in to share his experiences of getting sacked by a shitty Turkish team.
Greece only has about 5 players - 5 Greek players - who can control and trap a football in less than 1 touch. All the rest - Tzavellas, Tziolis, Kone, Maniatis, Zeca, Bakasetas, etc need 2 -3 touches and around 2-3 seconds to trap a football passed to them.
The players who can play one touch football are Ninis, Fetfatzidis, Androutsos, Bouxalakis and Manthatis and the EPO refuses to let any of them near the 11. Just look at Fetfatzidis - even as of today he has a better NT minute to goal ratio than even Fortounis - however he is not allowed near the team. How I miss him.. No Greek has his ability.. The clips don't do justice. Watching him in a game is electric.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnMViVoBC7w
Ninis is a flop, you have to realize that lol.
Citação de: Covenant em 04 de Setembro de 2017, 18:10
Ninis is a flop, you have to realize that lol.
I remember him being a great player in one of the Football Managers. ;D
Citação de: Covenant em 04 de Setembro de 2017, 18:10
Ninis is a flop, you have to realize that lol.
He is a flop. He can't even get into the squad for the Belgium team he is with. But that doesn't change the facts does it? He can trap a football and has had some excellent performances for our NT - even single-handedly winning games. So even as a flop we need him. And again.. notice where the players are who are regulars for the NT.
Tziolis (NT Captain) Can't run, can't pass and has zero technique - plays for Al-Fayha FC in the Saudi League. They are not doing well..
(http://i.imgur.com/Z6cDXDd.jpg)
Vellios (NT striker behind Mitroglou!) Can't even get into the squad this season for Championship side Forest! Can't even get in the squad!
Tzavellas and Maniatis? Both play nearly every game for the NT. Their club? The mighty Alanyaspor!Doing well?
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Need I go on? So when we call Ninis a flop.. By Greek standards - he is not. However whether he is a flop at club level or not matters not. All that matters is that if you pass to him - unlike with Tzavellas for example - he will trap the ball and head up in one touch. If you do the same to Tzavellas or Tziolis - the ball will roll up their leg most of the time - they will shimmy and bring the ball down if possible. By the time they have the ball fully under control they have an opposing player in their face and their only idea is to boot the ball into the air.
Vellios doesn't play in Forest because Warburton is dumb as fuck.
Citação de: Cloughie em 04 de Setembro de 2017, 18:45
Vellios doesn't play in Forest because Warburton is dumb as fuck.
Vellios is dog shit. You should have watched the Estonia game. Seriously. He is garbage.
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Setembro de 2017, 18:48
Citação de: Cloughie em 04 de Setembro de 2017, 18:45
Vellios doesn't play in Forest because Warburton is dumb as fuck.
Vellios is dog shit. You should have watched the Estonia game. Seriously. He is garbage.
In Forest every time he plays he can score and gives good things to the team.
And he cannot be worse than Daryl Murphy who is a tree...
Citação de: Cloughie em 04 de Setembro de 2017, 18:52
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Setembro de 2017, 18:48
Citação de: Cloughie em 04 de Setembro de 2017, 18:45
Vellios doesn't play in Forest because Warburton is dumb as fuck.
Vellios is dog shit. You should have watched the Estonia game. Seriously. He is garbage.
In Forest every time he plays he can score and gives good things to the team.
And he cannot be worse than Daryl Murphy who is a tree...
I have been watching Vellios since he was at Everton and his brief return to Greece. I actually think Everton treated him like shit - dropping him from the their squad when he was their lead prem scorer. However since then he has turned to shit. He was so bad against Estonia - so bad.. many think he will never be allowed to put on the NT shirt again. Again - like Klaus and 100s of other Greek NT players - he has never scored for Greece and likely never will. Just no talent.
Ninis without club... Again ahahah.
Is it on next tuesday, the day that Olympiakos are going to rape sporting lisbon?
;D
Citação de: JeSuisÉder em 06 de Setembro de 2017, 14:23
Is it on next tuesday, the day that Olympiakos are going to rape sporting lisbon?
;D
Yes, that is the day! I don't know if we can rape them though.. I hope we can. Portuguese sides have very good technique - I can see it being a physical game because they will throw everything at us.
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Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Setembro de 2017, 20:57
Citação de: JeSuisÉder em 06 de Setembro de 2017, 14:23
Is it on next tuesday, the day that Olympiakos are going to rape sporting lisbon?
;D
Yes, that is the day! I don't know if we can rape them though.. I hope we can. Portuguese sides have very good technique - I can see it being a physical game because they will throw everything at us.
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You guys made a couple of good signings though, Engels, Djurdjevic and besides that, its always really hard playing at Karaiskakis, the atmosphere is terrible for the away side team.
It used to be a stronger atmosphere there - but now we get €10,000s fines if a fan even sneezes in there from UEFA. Flares and smoke bombs also carry huge penalties in a CL game. Nearly every game at the Karaiskaki results in around at least €20,000 in fines from the Greek FA. UEFA are far more strict. That is why you wont see this at the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq9xT9skZR8
Some updates.
Historical club Iraklis officially dissolved. Personally I despised this club so happy to see them go. Whenever they lost they would smash up the city, blame government, EPO, bribery etc - anything but admit they are shit. They also threatened to join the Fyromian league if they didnt get their way.. :crazy2:
AEK beat Rijecka 1-2 tonight. Good result. Lifts their co-effiecient and first time they have had two wins a row in Europe since 2006.
Their stadium site is still being worked on 24/7.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq_QUET4yvg
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Setembro de 2017, 21:12
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrios_Giannakopoulos
Is this going to change the lanscape of Greek Football?
Citação de: RodriE em 14 de Setembro de 2017, 21:17
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Setembro de 2017, 21:12
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrios_Giannakopoulos
Is this going to change the lanscape of Greek Football?
My opinion is twofold.
1/ I think he will take the club from Alafouzos in the next few weeks.
2/ Dimitri Giannokopoulos is the same as a Alafouzos. A fucking idiot beta male. Yes he had success with PAO BC - but he spends most his time (like Alafouzos) blaming the government every time PAO lose a game. He used to only blame the Government for supporting Olympiacos - but like Alafouzos, since AEK and PAOK have over taken PAO - he now blames the Government for supporting AEK, PAOK and Olympiacos.. in fact any team that PAO lose to! ::bater:: So yes, he is a fucking idiot.
You know what is really funny? :) Dimitri was humiliated this summer. He owns FC Sparti - that is right - the team of Sparta! He bought them a few years ago and now they are in the Football League (second division)! Unluckily for him - they had to play Olympiacos in the Greek Cup this summer. Before the game - Dimitri spewed his usual shit - just like Alafouzos. He stated the Government and refs promote Olympiacos and the league is fixed in their favour. One problem with that statement. The Peloponnese is Olympiacos territory. ;D Sparta, Leonidio - most of the states of Laconia and Arcadia are Olympiacos fans. There is a massive connection with Piraeus due to cultural ties and business. So when he said his usual shit about Olympiacos before the game (in order to put pressure on the refs.. :rir:) - the Sparta fans told him to fuck off!!! ;D ;D They told him to stop talking shit!! He immediately acted like the spoilt brat he is and threatened to leave! They said fine - Adios!! So he quit FC Sparta and no longer owns the club!! :rir: :rir:
He is a pathetic piece of shit. Just look at his face.
(http://statbank.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Dimitris-Giannakopoulos.jpg)
However I love what happened with Sparta. That sums up the type of person he is.
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Setembro de 2017, 21:32
Citação de: RodriE em 14 de Setembro de 2017, 21:17
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Setembro de 2017, 21:12
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrios_Giannakopoulos
Is this going to change the lanscape of Greek Football?
But will he be able to put PAO competitive or not? ;D
Citação de: RodriE em 14 de Setembro de 2017, 21:40
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Setembro de 2017, 21:32
Citação de: RodriE em 14 de Setembro de 2017, 21:17
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Setembro de 2017, 21:12
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrios_Giannakopoulos
Is this going to change the lanscape of Greek Football?
But will he be able to put PAO competitive or not? ;D
He wants to take them back to the OAKA... That is a really stupid move. He has a massive ego... and he is not very intelligent. So I would say no. Maybe 5% more competitive considering Alafouzos is one of the most naturally stupid people in Greece anyway.
Alafouzos has left.
Citação de: RodriE em 21 de Setembro de 2017, 19:50
Alafouzos has left.
He says he has. He has single-handedly made Greece look like Pakistan. You know who he blames for Kerkyra beating PAO 2 weeks ago? The Greek Government. :crazy2:
He spent €10,000s on journalists who were instructed to tell the world Olympiacos is corrupt. That is before both PAOK and AEK over took PAO - now he blames all 3.
He is filth.
AEK clearly not wanting any fines tonight, LOL.
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:rir:
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Setembro de 2017, 18:16
PAO keeper is really coming in January. How good is he, again?
Good victory today. Belgium was important too.
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Outubro de 2017, 22:00
Good victory today. Belgium was important too.
It is just such a shit team.. if they make it into the WC, they will get raped by everybody..
Skibbe is a terrible coach.
Around 70 mins into the game tonight vs Gibraltar - the Greek fans started beating each other up and the whole stadium booed. What happened is PAO and Olympiacos fans spotted each other. In this video you see a guy in PAO shirt trying to escape and them dragging him back into the stands to beat him.
https://streamable.com/ub7js
The guy was pretty dumb imo
He was.
He will be the first and last guy who tries to take a selfie in the Karaiskaki with a PAO shirt on.
Full video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H5BtQ_asNY
I remember when I was 19 I got in a bar fight in Greece - it was 3 of them against me. I was in the right but that didn't matter. I managed to get out with my life, just a few very small scars left on my left rib cage that are almost completely gone now. But it was a big lesson. The real pain when was when I went in the ice cold sea the next day - the wounds just reopened in the sea and the pain - I remember it now - but I knew the sea was the best thing for it. There is no right or wrong in Greece. There is only the reality of the tribe. You fuck with the rules of the tribe - there will be an incident - it is that kind of place.
After the Nazis were defeated in Greece and retreated - Greece was free for a year before the civil war. Under the Nazis 100,000s of Greeks starved to death. It was actually appalling. Disgusting for that to happen to greeks. truly appalling - around 10% of the population met their end under that occupation. As the screw was turning in Greece and people began to die in their 1000s - some Greek women flirted and slept with Nazi officers for food - water - whatever they could get. When the Nazis left - every Greek woman who had gone with a german was captured by the villagers and hung in the town squares across Greece - their bodies left to rot while swinging from trees. That is because Greeks don't forget - anything. Any break in the moral - any betrayal will always have an answer. It is a country of vengeance.
No wonder you have barbed wire outside the stadium...
Xanthi 1
AEK 1
Super game. Xanthi saw two red cards and still managed to get a point. A big part of that is down to their Portuguese scorer - Armindo Rodrigues Mendes Furtado AKA Brito. He scored a stunning free-kick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYTZks_qwiI
Brito got a yellow before that free kick. Apparently it was for wiping the foam off his boot on the back of the refs leg!! :rir:
(http://www.sport24.gr/multimedia/video/article4892353.ece/BINARY/w620/brito2.jpg)
Citação de: FP3 em 11 de Outubro de 2017, 21:48
The guy was pretty dumb imo
Can you give a insight about the league until now?
I was bit shocket when i found out both AEK and PAOK ahead of Olympiacos.
Olympiacos have their worst start to a season in maybe two decades? AEK and PAOK are going for the title this year.
We play PAOK on the weekend in Piraeus. That will be a big one.
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Outubro de 2017, 20:19
Olympiacos have their worst start to a season in maybe two decades? AEK and PAOK are going for the title this year.
We play PAOK on the weekend in Piraeus. That will be a big one.
Worst than Zico?
I believe so yes.
Tough game between AEK and PAOK last weekend Faliro?
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 14:41
Tough game between AEK and PAOK last weekend Faliro?
Yes, very tough. 3 red cards - all deserved. Vicious tackles and lots of aggression. Here are the HQ highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw8i2_fA9zs
As usual AEK allowed fans to break into the game without tickets. If they are punished for this they will say the league is fixed against them as per usual.
Zambrano forgot 2 seconds that he had a yellow Card... Enough to be sent-off.
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 16:18
Zambrano forgot 2 seconds that he had a yellow Card... Enough to be sent-off.
I think Zambrano should have been told to calm down immediately after he got Araujo sent off. They are both hot heads. Araujo could have been sent off countless times last year but somehow the refs protected him.
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 16:33
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 16:18
Zambrano forgot 2 seconds that he had a yellow Card... Enough to be sent-off.
I think Zambrano should have been told to calm down immediately after he got Araujo sent off. They are both hot heads. Araujo could have been sent off countless times last year but somehow the refs protected him.
Zambrano besides been sent-off show some class in the ocasion.
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 16:39
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 16:33
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 16:18
Zambrano forgot 2 seconds that he had a yellow Card... Enough to be sent-off.
I think Zambrano should have been told to calm down immediately after he got Araujo sent off. They are both hot heads. Araujo could have been sent off countless times last year but somehow the refs protected him.
Zambrano besides been sent-off show some class in the ocasion.
Indeed. PAOK have some good players. What they lack is discipline - in every aspect.
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 16:42
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 16:39
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 16:33
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 16:18
Zambrano forgot 2 seconds that he had a yellow Card... Enough to be sent-off.
I think Zambrano should have been told to calm down immediately after he got Araujo sent off. They are both hot heads. Araujo could have been sent off countless times last year but somehow the refs protected him.
Zambrano besides been sent-off show some class in the ocasion.
Indeed. PAOK have some good players. What they lack is discipline - in every aspect.
They see Savvidis, so they do wrong things for trying to emulate what he is doing. :D
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 16:44
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 16:42
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 16:39
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 16:33
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Novembro de 2017, 16:18
Zambrano forgot 2 seconds that he had a yellow Card... Enough to be sent-off.
I think Zambrano should have been told to calm down immediately after he got Araujo sent off. They are both hot heads. Araujo could have been sent off countless times last year but somehow the refs protected him.
Zambrano besides been sent-off show some class in the ocasion.
Indeed. PAOK have some good players. What they lack is discipline - in every aspect.
They see Savvidis, so they do wrong things for trying to emulate what he is doing. :D
100%. Don't forget his idiot son - Saddam Junior.. tweeting nonsense daily.
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/article3946207.ece/BINARY/w620/georgos+savvidis+1.jpg)
''Today we are choosing a new PAOK stadium design - it will be a good one.'' :crazy2:
BTW AEK still full steam ahead on their stadium, they have already cleared 100s of tonnes of soil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7XNvYUkmxA
In other news Atromitos still top of the league!! Jose Anigo showing his natural talent as a manager at Levadiakos. But Atromitos is the only unbeaten team in Greece and that is all down to Damir Canadi.
:cheerleaders:
BTW where the hell is Damir Canadi from originally? I know he is born in Austria - but with a name like that - I am thinking something slavic?
Does anyone read about corruption scandal in greek football? Olympiakos can be relegated
Citação de: Kyoto em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 00:38
Does anyone read about corruption scandal in greek football? Olympiakos can be relegated
The lead prosecutor is a PAO fan. Even been to PAO games where he was pictured with PAO's owner. He tried very very hard to get the pictures deleted but I saved copies somewhere.
Sa Pinto is also accused.. :rir:
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 01:01
https://serbenfiquista.com/forum/mercado/pape-cisse-(olympiacos)-abola/
What's your opinion about Pape Abou Cissé?
Is the starting eleven for tomorrow already known, what is your opinion Falirio? Who can jump into Manolas' shoes? Good luck Hellas!
Citação de: KamikazeSLB em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 09:53
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 01:01
https://serbenfiquista.com/forum/mercado/pape-cisse-(olympiacos)-abola/
What's your opinion about Pape Abou Cissé?
Good player. Strong, fast and passionate. Also has goals in him. Benfica are right to be intetested.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 10:08
Is the starting eleven for tomorrow already known, what is your opinion Falirio? Who can jump into Manolas' shoes? Good luck Hellas!
Skibbe never reveals the 11 or even hints to it before the actual game.
There are quite a few injuries.
Donis will miss the first game - doubtful for the second game.
Torosidis and Sokratis are both on individual programs - not sure if either will play the first game or be ready for the second.
Mantolas tore his ACL - he will be back sometime next year.
Skibbe is a fairly shit coach - who always plays his favourites - the team is always ultra defensive.
I predict we will see something like this:
........................Karnezis........................
Retsos.......Sokratis?......K. Papadopoulos...Tzavellas
......................Tziolis....Zeca...........................
Baketsetas?.........Fortounis.....Stafilidis
.......................Mitroglou........................
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 11:32
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 10:08
Is the starting eleven for tomorrow already known, what is your opinion Falirio? Who can jump into Manolas' shoes? Good luck Hellas!
Skibbe never reveals the 11 or even hints to it before the actual game.
There are quite a few injuries.
Donis will miss the first game - doubtful for the second game.
Torosidis and Sokratis are both on individual programs - not sure if either will play the first game or be ready for the second.
Mantolas tore his ACL - he will be back sometime next year.
Skibbe is a fairly shit coach - who always plays his favourites - the team is always ultra defensive.
I predict we will see something like this:
........................Karnezis........................
Retsos.......Sokratis?......K. Papadopoulos...Tzavellas
......................Tziolis....Zeca...........................
Baketsetas?.........Fortounis.....Stafilidis
.......................Mitroglou........................
Thanks Faliro! Too bad, you are plagued by injuries and suspensions, but I still think that you can pull off a surprise with your responsible play in defense and Mitroglou's counter-attacks.
For Croatia, I read that Mandzukic is in doubt ( but he will probably play) and Badelj will not play, which enables you to make a quick transition from your half to theirs.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 11:43
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 11:32
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 10:08
Is the starting eleven for tomorrow already known, what is your opinion Falirio? Who can jump into Manolas' shoes? Good luck Hellas!
Skibbe never reveals the 11 or even hints to it before the actual game.
There are quite a few injuries.
Donis will miss the first game - doubtful for the second game.
Torosidis and Sokratis are both on individual programs - not sure if either will play the first game or be ready for the second.
Mantolas tore his ACL - he will be back sometime next year.
Skibbe is a fairly shit coach - who always plays his favourites - the team is always ultra defensive.
I predict we will see something like this:
........................Karnezis........................
Retsos.......Sokratis?......K. Papadopoulos...Tzavellas
......................Tziolis....Zeca...........................
Baketsetas?.........Fortounis.....Stafilidis
.......................Mitroglou........................
Thanks Faliro! Too bad, you are plagued by injuries and suspensions, but I still think that you can pull off a surprise with your responsible play in defense and Mitroglou's counter-attacks.
For Croatia, I read that Mandzukic is in doubt ( but he will probably play) and Badelj will not play, which enables you to make a quick transition from your half to theirs.
I really wish Skibbe would select players who can make quick transitions. The players he likes are very basic ones. I mean just look at Tziolis - slow, poor passer and plays in Saudi Arabia for a side looking at relegation.. Stafilidis and Tzavellas are also both not really international standard.
I think the whole game will depend on how much passion the ethniki players show. Their best hope is playing with full body and soul. There are only really 2 technical players in the whole squad.
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 11:49
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 11:43
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 11:32
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 10:08
Is the starting eleven for tomorrow already known, what is your opinion Falirio? Who can jump into Manolas' shoes? Good luck Hellas!
Skibbe never reveals the 11 or even hints to it before the actual game.
There are quite a few injuries.
Donis will miss the first game - doubtful for the second game.
Torosidis and Sokratis are both on individual programs - not sure if either will play the first game or be ready for the second.
Mantolas tore his ACL - he will be back sometime next year.
Skibbe is a fairly shit coach - who always plays his favourites - the team is always ultra defensive.
I predict we will see something like this:
........................Karnezis........................
Retsos.......Sokratis?......K. Papadopoulos...Tzavellas
......................Tziolis....Zeca...........................
Baketsetas?.........Fortounis.....Stafilidis
.......................Mitroglou........................
Thanks Faliro! Too bad, you are plagued by injuries and suspensions, but I still think that you can pull off a surprise with your responsible play in defense and Mitroglou's counter-attacks.
For Croatia, I read that Mandzukic is in doubt ( but he will probably play) and Badelj will not play, which enables you to make a quick transition from your half to theirs.
I really wish Skibbe would select players who can make quick transitions. The players he likes are very basic ones. I mean just look at Tziolis - slow, poor passer and plays in Saudi Arabia for a side looking at relegation.. Stafilidis and Tzavellas are also both not really international standard.
I think the whole game will depend on how much passion the ethniki players show. Their best hope is playing with full body and soul. There are only really 2 technical players in the whole squad.
I can relate to you. Our former coach Muslin played Gudelj who plays in China and did not want to play Sergej Milinkovic Savic. His explanation: The best team is not composed of the best players, but of those who fit best into my formation and vision.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 12:04
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 11:49
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 11:43
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 11:32
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 10:08
Is the starting eleven for tomorrow already known, what is your opinion Falirio? Who can jump into Manolas' shoes? Good luck Hellas!
Skibbe never reveals the 11 or even hints to it before the actual game.
There are quite a few injuries.
Donis will miss the first game - doubtful for the second game.
Torosidis and Sokratis are both on individual programs - not sure if either will play the first game or be ready for the second.
Mantolas tore his ACL - he will be back sometime next year.
Skibbe is a fairly shit coach - who always plays his favourites - the team is always ultra defensive.
I predict we will see something like this:
........................Karnezis........................
Retsos.......Sokratis?......K. Papadopoulos...Tzavellas
......................Tziolis....Zeca...........................
Baketsetas?.........Fortounis.....Stafilidis
.......................Mitroglou........................
Thanks Faliro! Too bad, you are plagued by injuries and suspensions, but I still think that you can pull off a surprise with your responsible play in defense and Mitroglou's counter-attacks.
For Croatia, I read that Mandzukic is in doubt ( but he will probably play) and Badelj will not play, which enables you to make a quick transition from your half to theirs.
I really wish Skibbe would select players who can make quick transitions. The players he likes are very basic ones. I mean just look at Tziolis - slow, poor passer and plays in Saudi Arabia for a side looking at relegation.. Stafilidis and Tzavellas are also both not really international standard.
I think the whole game will depend on how much passion the ethniki players show. Their best hope is playing with full body and soul. There are only really 2 technical players in the whole squad.
I can relate to you. Our former coach Muslin played Gudelj who plays in China and did not want to play Sergej Milinkovic Savic. His explanation: The best team is not composed of the best players, but of those who fit best into my formation and vision.
:2funny: :2funny:
This is exactly the warped logic our coaches have. Greece is the only team in the world I am aware of that when an inform midfielder scores a winning a goal (in a team that rarely scores many goals) - he is usually dropped from the squad soon afterwards.
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 12:13
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 12:04
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 11:49
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 11:43
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 11:32
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 10:08
Is the starting eleven for tomorrow already known, what is your opinion Falirio? Who can jump into Manolas' shoes? Good luck Hellas!
Skibbe never reveals the 11 or even hints to it before the actual game.
There are quite a few injuries.
Donis will miss the first game - doubtful for the second game.
Torosidis and Sokratis are both on individual programs - not sure if either will play the first game or be ready for the second.
Mantolas tore his ACL - he will be back sometime next year.
Skibbe is a fairly shit coach - who always plays his favourites - the team is always ultra defensive.
I predict we will see something like this:
........................Karnezis........................
Retsos.......Sokratis?......K. Papadopoulos...Tzavellas
......................Tziolis....Zeca...........................
Baketsetas?.........Fortounis.....Stafilidis
.......................Mitroglou........................
Thanks Faliro! Too bad, you are plagued by injuries and suspensions, but I still think that you can pull off a surprise with your responsible play in defense and Mitroglou's counter-attacks.
For Croatia, I read that Mandzukic is in doubt ( but he will probably play) and Badelj will not play, which enables you to make a quick transition from your half to theirs.
I really wish Skibbe would select players who can make quick transitions. The players he likes are very basic ones. I mean just look at Tziolis - slow, poor passer and plays in Saudi Arabia for a side looking at relegation.. Stafilidis and Tzavellas are also both not really international standard.
I think the whole game will depend on how much passion the ethniki players show. Their best hope is playing with full body and soul. There are only really 2 technical players in the whole squad.
I can relate to you. Our former coach Muslin played Gudelj who plays in China and did not want to play Sergej Milinkovic Savic. His explanation: The best team is not composed of the best players, but of those who fit best into my formation and vision.
:2funny: :2funny:
This is exactly the warped logic our coaches have. Greece is the only team in the world I am aware of that when an inform midfielder scores a winning a goal (in a team that rarely scores many goals) - he is usually dropped from the squad soon afterwards.
What can I say..real brothers ^-^ I bet that if he could, your coach would play 7 defenders.. :confused:
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 12:18
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 12:13
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 12:04
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 11:49
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 11:43
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 11:32
Citação de: StellaRojas em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 10:08
Is the starting eleven for tomorrow already known, what is your opinion Falirio? Who can jump into Manolas' shoes? Good luck Hellas!
Skibbe never reveals the 11 or even hints to it before the actual game.
There are quite a few injuries.
Donis will miss the first game - doubtful for the second game.
Torosidis and Sokratis are both on individual programs - not sure if either will play the first game or be ready for the second.
Mantolas tore his ACL - he will be back sometime next year.
Skibbe is a fairly shit coach - who always plays his favourites - the team is always ultra defensive.
I predict we will see something like this:
........................Karnezis........................
Retsos.......Sokratis?......K. Papadopoulos...Tzavellas
......................Tziolis....Zeca...........................
Baketsetas?.........Fortounis.....Stafilidis
.......................Mitroglou........................
Thanks Faliro! Too bad, you are plagued by injuries and suspensions, but I still think that you can pull off a surprise with your responsible play in defense and Mitroglou's counter-attacks.
For Croatia, I read that Mandzukic is in doubt ( but he will probably play) and Badelj will not play, which enables you to make a quick transition from your half to theirs.
I really wish Skibbe would select players who can make quick transitions. The players he likes are very basic ones. I mean just look at Tziolis - slow, poor passer and plays in Saudi Arabia for a side looking at relegation.. Stafilidis and Tzavellas are also both not really international standard.
I think the whole game will depend on how much passion the ethniki players show. Their best hope is playing with full body and soul. There are only really 2 technical players in the whole squad.
I can relate to you. Our former coach Muslin played Gudelj who plays in China and did not want to play Sergej Milinkovic Savic. His explanation: The best team is not composed of the best players, but of those who fit best into my formation and vision.
:2funny: :2funny:
This is exactly the warped logic our coaches have. Greece is the only team in the world I am aware of that when an inform midfielder scores a winning a goal (in a team that rarely scores many goals) - he is usually dropped from the squad soon afterwards.
What can I say..real brothers ^-^ I bet that if he could, your coach would play 7 defenders.. :confused:
They have tried that before I think. A former coach used to play CB's at CM so in games we would have 4 CB's on the pitch. It becomes more ambiguos when you think Maniatis - our starting CM played most his career at RB - his natural position and Tziolis has been played at CB before. K. Papadopoulos plays both as CB and CM - Tzavellas has played LB, CB and LW for the Greek NT... Stafilidis is an LB - but Skibbe plays him in the midfield. The whole thing is ridiculous. The Greek NT does everything humanly possible not to play our players in their correct positions.
Here is our squad and I have crossed out the players who are not at international standard.
Goalkeepers:
Giannis Anestis (AEK)
Stefanos Kapino (Olympiacos) - Mistake prone, Gianniotis - 700 mins currently this season without conceding (new record) is better by miles.
Orestis Karnezis (Watford)
Defenders:
Vassilis Torosidis (Bologna),
Sokratis Papastathopoulos (B. Dortmund),
Kostas Manolas (Roma),
Panagiotis Retsos (Bayer Leverkusen),
Kyriakos Papadopoulos (Hamburg),
Kostas Stafylidis (Augsburg),
Giorgos Tzavellas (Alanyaspor) Garbage. Plays in Turkey. Poor at defending. Poor passer too.
Babis Lykogiannis (Sturm Graz)
Midfielders:
Panagiotis Tachtsidis (Olympiacos),
Andreas Samaris (Benfica),
Giannis Maniatis (Alyanspor), Slow, poor passer - poor at attacking.
Alexandros Tziolis (Al-Fayha), Very slow, poor passing, poor defending - poor shooting and attack.
Carlos Zeca (FC Kobehavn),
Dimitris Kourbelis (Panathinaikos),
Kostas Fortounis (Olympiacos),
Dimitris Pelkas (PAOK),
Giannis Gianniotas (Real Valladolid),
Lazaros Christodoulopoulos (AEK)
Forwards:
Dimitris Diamantakos (Karlsruhe), Absolute garbage. Rarely plays for his club and when he does - he is poor.
Kostas Mitroglou (Marseille),
Tasos Bakasetas (AEK),
Apostolos Vellios (Nottinghame Forest) Is so shit - he has not even made the Forest squad (championship side) in months! Not even in the squad! Yet plays for the NT! And when he plays he is atrocious.
ARIS 1-0 Boca :metal:
(https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23316260_1533653376722764_1122658111424911768_n.jpg?oh=719a8a768eccb9639dae7799f70087fb&oe=5A684A15)
(https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23376133_1533653946722707_8122983177501779233_n.jpg?oh=b2ea3184acb48944c0af605ec573d5b6&oe=5A9D9DA6)
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Novembro de 2017, 21:54
ARIS 1-0 Boca :metal:
(https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23316260_1533653376722764_1122658111424911768_n.jpg?oh=719a8a768eccb9639dae7799f70087fb&oe=5A684A15)
(https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23376133_1533653946722707_8122983177501779233_n.jpg?oh=b2ea3184acb48944c0af605ec573d5b6&oe=5A9D9DA6)
Holy fuck Calcio! I forgot that was tonight!!
Let's see.
Edit - it looked mad!!
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article4928978.ece/BINARY/w620/Vikelidis.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qysi7VA4HI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAIt5Cn8MIw
Aris won the game too!!
Hellas needs to score a goal today.
Can not believe what he did.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 19:53
Hellas needs to score a goal today.
Can not believe what he did.
Who?
Citação de: Covenant em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 20:07
Citação de: StellaRojas em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 19:53
Hellas needs to score a goal today.
Can not believe what he did.
Who?
The Greek goalkeeper. Also, it looks like the only way Greece can score is that Lovren scores an own goal. Skibbe does not have a plan B obviously.
Bravo!
Citação de: StellaRojas em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 20:13
Citação de: Covenant em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 20:07
Citação de: StellaRojas em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 19:53
Hellas needs to score a goal today.
Can not believe what he did.
Who?
The Greek goalkeeper. Also, it looks like the only way Greece can score is that Lovren scores an own goal. Skibbe does not have a plan B obviously.
Bravo!
Read this thread on my forum if you want a laugh! :2funny:
http://sedra.eu/index.php?topic=336.75
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 22:03
Citação de: StellaRojas em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 20:13
Citação de: Covenant em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 20:07
Citação de: StellaRojas em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 19:53
Hellas needs to score a goal today.
Can not believe what he did.
Who?
The Greek goalkeeper. Also, it looks like the only way Greece can score is that Lovren scores an own goal. Skibbe does not have a plan B obviously.
Bravo!
Read this thread on my forum if you want a laugh! :2funny:
http://sedra.eu/index.php?topic=336.75
Read it. You have a good disposition- fighting misery with humour. I do not have that talent. It was really unwatchable, I stopped watching after the 4th goal. Sure, Greece was decimated by injuries/ suspensions, but what Skibbe plays is a disgrace. How is that man even a professional coach?
Citação de: StellaRojas em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 22:28
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 22:03
Citação de: StellaRojas em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 20:13
Citação de: Covenant em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 20:07
Citação de: StellaRojas em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 19:53
Hellas needs to score a goal today.
Can not believe what he did.
Who?
The Greek goalkeeper. Also, it looks like the only way Greece can score is that Lovren scores an own goal. Skibbe does not have a plan B obviously.
Bravo!
Read this thread on my forum if you want a laugh! :2funny:
http://sedra.eu/index.php?topic=336.75
Read it. You have a good disposition- fighting misery with humour. I do not have that talent. It was really unwatchable, I stopped watching after the 4th goal. Sure, Greece was decimated by injuries/ suspensions, but what Skibbe plays is a disgrace. How is that man even a professional coach?
Well Skibbe was never really a coach anyway. Look at his record, he has acheived nothing. Everywhere he went they hated him.
You see the Greek NT is controlled by the EPO. The EPO takes bribes form player's agents for starts in games. Bernt Schuster agreed financial terms to become the next Greek coach - flew to athens to sign - but then flew back a few hours later without signing. Why? The EPO were forcing him to take the EPO lacky Tsanas for a assistant. Schuster immediately realised what was going and left. Skibbe was fine with Tsanas as an assistant and got the job. More offensive than that? Michel stated he would not mind coaching Greece. He had just left Olympiacos and had a massive knowledge of the local players. The EPO sent Karagounis to interview him and Karagounis stated he did not want him... what Karagounis was really saying is that he did not want a Gavros in charge of the Greek NT!
So we got Skibbe. A scum bag with zero football knowledge. All the press suck his balls because they are all paid off too.
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 22:48
Citação de: StellaRojas em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 22:28
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 22:03
Citação de: StellaRojas em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 20:13
Citação de: Covenant em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 20:07
Citação de: StellaRojas em 09 de Novembro de 2017, 19:53
Hellas needs to score a goal today.
Can not believe what he did.
Who?
The Greek goalkeeper. Also, it looks like the only way Greece can score is that Lovren scores an own goal. Skibbe does not have a plan B obviously.
Bravo!
Read this thread on my forum if you want a laugh! :2funny:
http://sedra.eu/index.php?topic=336.75
Read it. You have a good disposition- fighting misery with humour. I do not have that talent. It was really unwatchable, I stopped watching after the 4th goal. Sure, Greece was decimated by injuries/ suspensions, but what Skibbe plays is a disgrace. How is that man even a professional coach?
Well Skibbe was never really a coach anyway. Look at his record, he has acheived nothing. Everywhere he went they hated him.
You see the Greek NT is controlled by the EPO. The EPO takes bribes form player's agents for starts in games. Bernt Schuster agreed financial terms to become the next Greek coach - flew to athens to sign - but then flew back a few hours later without signing. Why? The EPO were forcing him to take the EPO lacky Tsanas for a assistant. Schuster immediately realised what was going and left. Skibbe was fine with Tsanas as an assistant and got the job. More offensive than that? Michel stated he would not mind coaching Greece. He had just left Olympiacos and had a massive knowledge of the local players. The EPO sent Karagounis to interview him and Karagounis stated he did not want him... what Karagounis was really saying is that he did not want a Gavros in charge of the Greek NT!
So we got Skibbe. A scum bag with zero football knowledge. All the press suck his balls because they are all paid off too.
Well, that reminds me of someone. Wait a minute...Yes, of us. And Croatia. However, they were protesting against their FA when they were doing bad, now, they will forget about everything. I'm not saying that Skibbe should be hanged at Syntagma square, but...You just HAVE to use the liability that is Dejan Lovren in matches like this. Even I would have been able to storm past him. But Skibbe has not got a clue.
My friend Skibbe usually plays 3 to 4 poor quality left backs in the same starting 11. :o He is a buffoon. That is why i dont take it seriously. If Greece started at least 9 of its best players in an 11 - i would have been devastated atvthe defeat. But we played 2 of our best players tonight. Stafylidis has not played all season. Karnezis has played 31 minutes all season. Tziolis barely plays for his relegation side in saudi arabia. Same foe maniatis for al Ahmed fc in Turkey.
The team should have been this.
.......................Gianniotis.............
Torosidis...Sokratis....Restos.....Xolebas
.....................Taxi...Zeca..........
Gianniotis.......Fetfatzidis....Lazaros
........................Mitroglou.............
An English/Spanish speaker goes to the Aris vs Boca game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwwF-bZfxG8
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Novembro de 2017, 10:58
My friend Skibbe usually plays 3 to 4 poor quality left backs in the same starting 11. :o He is a buffoon. That is why i dont take it seriously. If Greece started at least 9 of its best players in an 11 - i would have been devastated atvthe defeat. But we played 2 of our best players tonight. Stafylidis has not played all season. Karnezis has played 31 minutes all season. Tziolis barely plays for his relegation side in saudi arabia. Same foe maniatis for al Ahmed fc in Turkey.
The team should have been this.
.......................Gianniotis.............
Torosidis...Sokratis....Restos.....Xolebas
.....................Taxi...Zeca..........
Gianniotis.......Fetfatzidis....Lazaros
........................Mitroglou.............
Sad. I see it is all about managers and bribes. And the worst of all- you can not do anything about that. Cut off one head, another one will grow.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 10 de Novembro de 2017, 15:17
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Novembro de 2017, 10:58
My friend Skibbe usually plays 3 to 4 poor quality left backs in the same starting 11. :o He is a buffoon. That is why i dont take it seriously. If Greece started at least 9 of its best players in an 11 - i would have been devastated atvthe defeat. But we played 2 of our best players tonight. Stafylidis has not played all season. Karnezis has played 31 minutes all season. Tziolis barely plays for his relegation side in saudi arabia. Same foe maniatis for al Ahmed fc in Turkey.
The team should have been this.
.......................Gianniotis.............
Torosidis...Sokratis....Restos.....Xolebas
.....................Taxi...Zeca..........
Gianniotis.......Fetfatzidis....Lazaros
........................Mitroglou.............
Sad. I see it is all about managers and bribes. And the worst of all- you can not do anything about that. Cut off one head, another one will grow.
Indeed. Every EPO president leaves after being under investigation for corruption. I can't remember the last head of the EPO who wasn't in court for corruption.
How it works is this. You have a shit player. Take Tziolis for example. Can't run, pass, shoot or tackle. He also plays bad for every club he has been at. However he always finds a new club to be crap at. Why? Because when the clubs research him they see he is a starting international! How is he a starting international? the same way Tzavellas, Maniatis, Stafylidis etc all are. Their agents give a percentage to the EPO to get starts. Simple.
All that is really disgusting right? That is only the tip of the iceberg. The players also have journalists on the payroll! You can tell when a player doesn't - he is destroyed in the media like Fetfatzidis, Xolebas, Ninis and Gianniotas are. The players who pay the journalists always get good write ups and are protected.
Even after our defeat last night - it was our biggest defeat since 2012 when Germany hammered us. The biggest Greek sports website Sport24 had a story from immediately after the game to now! - Top of the page - first thing you read - explaining why Skibbe must stay to coach us into Euro 2020! :crazy2: :crazy2: Here is the article!
http://www.sport24.gr/Columns/giannis-seretis/moyntial-sthn-tv.4930922.html
Greece has had players with super ability come through the ranks. Natural ability. But they have been cast aside simply because they have not bribed the right people. They are called names in the media etc.
Greece is such a disappointment. What an embarrassing exhibition. Shame on your national team, Faliro.
Faliro, I hope that you are looking for a new coach, if you do not intend to drive out your corrupt EPO, with shovels, sticks, baseball bats or whatever.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 12:22
Faliro, I hope that you are looking for a new coach, if you do not intend to drive out your corrupt EPO, with shovels, sticks, baseball bats or whatever.
The problem is most Greeks have no dignity.
Take Tsipras as an example. Tsipras lied to the Greek people - actually did the rare thing of humiliating them in front of the world. He held a referendum asking the Greek people if they wanted to continue with EU austerity loans - the country voted no as he wanted them to and the PM then signed a new loan deal a few days later. Have to go back to Byzantine times for that kind of humiliation. Did Tsipras apologise? Nope. Said nothing. Greeks rewarded him by voting him back in power after complaining about him up until the election day! :huh: That is very Greek and it is connected with a lack of dignity - nothing more, nothing less. Fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice.. Tsipras's own Education Minister took Turkey's side and said there was no Greek Genocide for fucks sakes! :estrelas: Imagine all the butchered Greeks turning in their graves... but it is Greece... one more chance.. always one more chance..
Skibbe's situation is very similar. Not unlucky as a coach - just shit. So shit that everyone in Greece could spot it. Elementary and tragic mistakes and mistakes made with arrogance! Zero humility. Like Tsipras - did he apologise? Nope. Skibbe said he didn't really make any mistakes! :buck2: Next game at home - where he has to show fundamental mistakes like he made vs Croatia and vs Estonia were just one offs - shots on target last night in 94 minutes? 1 shot. Reward? Two more years contract.
This is very Greek - even more so as I already stated - if Skibbe was Greek, he would have been sacked last night - I can assure you. That tells you how little respect Greeks have for their own compared to Germans or in Tsipras's case - German supplicants. Sure there are some Greeks who are not like this. You even say Tsipras' name in the town I come from - there is a fight coming.. that is how much he is hated. But alas there are large swathes of Greece that have no dignity. No finesse. No lateral thinking. It is a big problem. That is why I never blamed the financial crisis on anyone but Greeks. They vote for politicians that promise them new helicopters, rainbows and free everything. When things crash they get angry - but never at themselves.
The players (who have had their careers boosted by constant NT call ups) want Skibbe to stay. Most the media wants him to stay and those morons in the stadium last night seemed happy with him. It is the same crowd who earlier cheered the Croatians as they entered the pitch because they got confused and thought the Croatians were Greeks because they had similar tracksuits. :2funny:
Two polls this morning on whether Skibbe should stay? Speaks volumes..
Vote on his future:
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/mundial/Poll-thelete-na-meinei-o-skimpe-stin-ethniki/3476240
and here:
http://www.sport24.gr/quiz/polls/na-meinei-h-na-fugei-o-skimpe.4934828.html
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 12:35
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 12:22
Faliro, I hope that you are looking for a new coach, if you do not intend to drive out your corrupt EPO, with shovels, sticks, baseball bats or whatever.
The problem is most Greeks have no dignity.
Take Tsipras as an example. Tsipras lied to the Greek people - actually did the rare thing of humiliating them in front of the world. He held a referendum asking the Greek people if they wanted to continue with EU austerity loans - the country voted no as he wanted them to and the PM then signed a new loan deal a few days later. Have to go back to Byzantine times for that kind of humiliation. Did Tsipras apologise? Nope. Said nothing. Greeks rewarded him by voting him back in power after complaining about him up until the election day! :huh: That is very Greek and it is connected with a lack of dignity - nothing more, nothing less. Fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice.. Tsipras's own Education Minister took Turkey's side and said there was no Greek Genocide for fucks sakes! :estrelas: Imagine all the butchered Greeks turning in their graves... but it is Greece... one more chance.. always one more chance..
Skibbe's situation is very similar. Not unlucky as a coach - just shit. So shit that everyone in Greece could spot it. Elementary and tragic mistakes and mistakes made with arrogance! Zero humility. Like Tsipras - did he apologise? Nope. Skibbe said he didn't really make any mistakes! :buck2: Next game at home - where he has to show fundamental mistakes like he made vs Croatia and vs Estonia were just one offs - shots on target last night in 94 minutes? 1 shot. Reward? Two more years contract.
This is very Greek - even more so as I already stated - if Skibbe was Greek, he would have been sacked last night - I can assure you. That tells you how little respect Greeks have for their own compared to Germans or in Tsipras's case - German supplicants. Sure there are some Greeks who are not like this. You even say Tsipras' name in the town I come from - there is a fight coming.. that is how much he is hated. But alas there are large swathes of Greece that have no dignity. No finesse. No lateral thinking. It is a big problem. That is why I never blamed the financial crisis on anyone but Greeks. They vote for politicians that promise them new helicopters, rainbows and free everything. When things crash they get angry - but never at themselves.
The players (who have had their careers boosted by constant NT call ups) want Skibbe to stay. Most the media wants him to stay and those morons in the stadium last night seemed happy with him. It is the same crowd who earlier cheered the Croatians as they entered the pitch because they got confused and thought the Croatians were Greeks because they had similar tracksuits. :2funny:
Two polls this morning on whether Skibbe should stay? Speaks volumes..
Vote on his future:
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/mundial/Poll-thelete-na-meinei-o-skimpe-stin-ethniki/3476240
and here:
http://www.sport24.gr/quiz/polls/na-meinei-h-na-fugei-o-skimpe.4934828.html
Are you describing Serbs or Greeks? :2funny:
It is not about the lack of dignity, believe me. The Serbs are the same. It is about people dropping into apathy and hoping that something will somehow change without their involvement, or at least that it will not get worse. In our case, people believed that if they deposed Milošević, they would " get a better life". But nothing changed, except for the names of politicians. It even got worse. We have centuries-old saying describing that: Sjaši Kurta, da uzjaše Murta ( Kurta gets off ( people's backs) only for Murta to get on). The positions of power call for negative selection, attracting the most ruthless, lazy ( our president has a Law degree but not a day of work in his life) and morally depraved people. Even those who start out as the idealists, eventually become corrupted. I was friends with this assistant professor from my faculty, who helped me a lot with his advice and was a kind and honest person. But then he became the Minister of Justice and I could not recognize him. A new person. I envy the Swiss who do not even know the name of their president, because they rotate them every month. That is the only cure.
So people just start thinking: What is the point? Nothing will ever change, no matter what we do. It is just a vicious circle.
Very surprised to see the results of these polls. :bah2:
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 13:53
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 12:35
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 12:22
Faliro, I hope that you are looking for a new coach, if you do not intend to drive out your corrupt EPO, with shovels, sticks, baseball bats or whatever.
The problem is most Greeks have no dignity.
Take Tsipras as an example. Tsipras lied to the Greek people - actually did the rare thing of humiliating them in front of the world. He held a referendum asking the Greek people if they wanted to continue with EU austerity loans - the country voted no as he wanted them to and the PM then signed a new loan deal a few days later. Have to go back to Byzantine times for that kind of humiliation. Did Tsipras apologise? Nope. Said nothing. Greeks rewarded him by voting him back in power after complaining about him up until the election day! :huh: That is very Greek and it is connected with a lack of dignity - nothing more, nothing less. Fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice.. Tsipras's own Education Minister took Turkey's side and said there was no Greek Genocide for fucks sakes! :estrelas: Imagine all the butchered Greeks turning in their graves... but it is Greece... one more chance.. always one more chance..
Skibbe's situation is very similar. Not unlucky as a coach - just shit. So shit that everyone in Greece could spot it. Elementary and tragic mistakes and mistakes made with arrogance! Zero humility. Like Tsipras - did he apologise? Nope. Skibbe said he didn't really make any mistakes! :buck2: Next game at home - where he has to show fundamental mistakes like he made vs Croatia and vs Estonia were just one offs - shots on target last night in 94 minutes? 1 shot. Reward? Two more years contract.
This is very Greek - even more so as I already stated - if Skibbe was Greek, he would have been sacked last night - I can assure you. That tells you how little respect Greeks have for their own compared to Germans or in Tsipras's case - German supplicants. Sure there are some Greeks who are not like this. You even say Tsipras' name in the town I come from - there is a fight coming.. that is how much he is hated. But alas there are large swathes of Greece that have no dignity. No finesse. No lateral thinking. It is a big problem. That is why I never blamed the financial crisis on anyone but Greeks. They vote for politicians that promise them new helicopters, rainbows and free everything. When things crash they get angry - but never at themselves.
The players (who have had their careers boosted by constant NT call ups) want Skibbe to stay. Most the media wants him to stay and those morons in the stadium last night seemed happy with him. It is the same crowd who earlier cheered the Croatians as they entered the pitch because they got confused and thought the Croatians were Greeks because they had similar tracksuits. :2funny:
Two polls this morning on whether Skibbe should stay? Speaks volumes..
Vote on his future:
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/mundial/Poll-thelete-na-meinei-o-skimpe-stin-ethniki/3476240
and here:
http://www.sport24.gr/quiz/polls/na-meinei-h-na-fugei-o-skimpe.4934828.html
Are you describing Serbs or Greeks? :2funny:
It is not about the lack of dignity, believe me. The Serbs are the same. It is about people dropping into apathy and hoping that something will somehow change without their involvement, or at least that it will not get worse. In our case, people believed that if they deposed Milošević, they would " get a better life". But nothing changed, except for the names of politicians. It even got worse. We have centuries-old saying describing that: Sjaši Kurta, da uzjaše Murta ( Kurta gets off ( people's backs) only for Murta to get on). The positions of power call for negative selection, attracting the most ruthless, lazy ( our president has a Law degree but not a day of work in his life) and morally depraved people. Even those who start out as the idealists, eventually become corrupted. I was friends with this assistant professor from my faculty, who helped me a lot with his advice and was a kind and honest person. But then he became the Minister of Justice and I could not recognize him. A new person. I envy the Swiss who do not even know the name of their president, because they rotate them every month. That is the only cure.
So people just start thinking: What is the point? Nothing will ever change, no matter what we do. It is just a vicious circle.
Very surprised to see the results of these polls. :bah2:
It seems the Serbs and the Greeks have very similar problems culturally. It is nice to be able to speak about politics with you. In Greece you are always one word away from a fist fight - especially when dealing with the left.
I was in Greece this summer and was stuck in 3 hours of traffic coming back into Athens. The guy who rented the car was saying 'where are you.' I said I am in traffic 2 miles away, can't move. The whole city was closed down with police in the streets forcing cars away from the centre. Why? A far leftist terrorist was being jailed that day so anarchists decided to smash and set fire to Greece's premier shopping district - Ermou Street.
When I spoke to a restaurant worker about it ('Thanassis' - a very good Souvlaki place) - he looked confused. He stated 'it is called democracy.' I said what an earth does communists burning down businesses because a terrorist is being jailed have to do with democracy? I could see a fight was coming so we walked away - we had already eaten and paid the bill.
My Grandfather left Greece because of this. This disgusting apathy. Described best by the Greek saying. 'As one man's beard burns - a man next to him lights a cigarette.' It is a love of self sabotage.
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 14:17
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 13:53
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 12:35
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 12:22
Faliro, I hope that you are looking for a new coach, if you do not intend to drive out your corrupt EPO, with shovels, sticks, baseball bats or whatever.
The problem is most Greeks have no dignity.
Take Tsipras as an example. Tsipras lied to the Greek people - actually did the rare thing of humiliating them in front of the world. He held a referendum asking the Greek people if they wanted to continue with EU austerity loans - the country voted no as he wanted them to and the PM then signed a new loan deal a few days later. Have to go back to Byzantine times for that kind of humiliation. Did Tsipras apologise? Nope. Said nothing. Greeks rewarded him by voting him back in power after complaining about him up until the election day! :huh: That is very Greek and it is connected with a lack of dignity - nothing more, nothing less. Fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice.. Tsipras's own Education Minister took Turkey's side and said there was no Greek Genocide for fucks sakes! :estrelas: Imagine all the butchered Greeks turning in their graves... but it is Greece... one more chance.. always one more chance..
Skibbe's situation is very similar. Not unlucky as a coach - just shit. So shit that everyone in Greece could spot it. Elementary and tragic mistakes and mistakes made with arrogance! Zero humility. Like Tsipras - did he apologise? Nope. Skibbe said he didn't really make any mistakes! :buck2: Next game at home - where he has to show fundamental mistakes like he made vs Croatia and vs Estonia were just one offs - shots on target last night in 94 minutes? 1 shot. Reward? Two more years contract.
This is very Greek - even more so as I already stated - if Skibbe was Greek, he would have been sacked last night - I can assure you. That tells you how little respect Greeks have for their own compared to Germans or in Tsipras's case - German supplicants. Sure there are some Greeks who are not like this. You even say Tsipras' name in the town I come from - there is a fight coming.. that is how much he is hated. But alas there are large swathes of Greece that have no dignity. No finesse. No lateral thinking. It is a big problem. That is why I never blamed the financial crisis on anyone but Greeks. They vote for politicians that promise them new helicopters, rainbows and free everything. When things crash they get angry - but never at themselves.
The players (who have had their careers boosted by constant NT call ups) want Skibbe to stay. Most the media wants him to stay and those morons in the stadium last night seemed happy with him. It is the same crowd who earlier cheered the Croatians as they entered the pitch because they got confused and thought the Croatians were Greeks because they had similar tracksuits. :2funny:
Two polls this morning on whether Skibbe should stay? Speaks volumes..
Vote on his future:
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/mundial/Poll-thelete-na-meinei-o-skimpe-stin-ethniki/3476240
and here:
http://www.sport24.gr/quiz/polls/na-meinei-h-na-fugei-o-skimpe.4934828.html
Are you describing Serbs or Greeks? :2funny:
It is not about the lack of dignity, believe me. The Serbs are the same. It is about people dropping into apathy and hoping that something will somehow change without their involvement, or at least that it will not get worse. In our case, people believed that if they deposed Milošević, they would " get a better life". But nothing changed, except for the names of politicians. It even got worse. We have centuries-old saying describing that: Sjaši Kurta, da uzjaše Murta ( Kurta gets off ( people's backs) only for Murta to get on). The positions of power call for negative selection, attracting the most ruthless, lazy ( our president has a Law degree but not a day of work in his life) and morally depraved people. Even those who start out as the idealists, eventually become corrupted. I was friends with this assistant professor from my faculty, who helped me a lot with his advice and was a kind and honest person. But then he became the Minister of Justice and I could not recognize him. A new person. I envy the Swiss who do not even know the name of their president, because they rotate them every month. That is the only cure.
So people just start thinking: What is the point? Nothing will ever change, no matter what we do. It is just a vicious circle.
Very surprised to see the results of these polls. :bah2:
It seems the Serbs and the Greeks have very similar problems culturally. It is nice to be able to speak about politics with you. In Greece you are always one word away from a fist fight - especially when dealing with the left.
I was in Greece this summer and was stuck in 3 hours of traffic coming back into Athens. The guy who rented the car was saying 'where are you.' I said I am in traffic 2 miles away, can't move. The whole city was closed down with police in the streets forcing cars away from the centre. Why? A far leftist terrorist was being jailed that day so anarchists decided to smash and set fire to Greece's premier shopping district - Ermou Street.
When I spoke to a restaurant worker about it ('Thanassis' - a very good Souvlaki place) - he looked confused. He stated 'it is called democracy.' I said what an earth does communists burning down businesses because a terrorist is being jailed have to do with democracy? I could see a fight was coming so we walked away - we had already eaten and paid the bill.
My Grandfather left Greece because of this. This disgusting apathy. Described best by the Greek saying. 'As one man's beard burns - a man next to him lights a cigarette.' It is a love of self sabotage.
Tsipras was idolized by the leftists here too. In fact, one of my professors abruptly cut her lesson short and said: Enough for today. I'm off to listen to the winner's ( Tsipras) inauguration speech. During that time, Podemos political party was growing in Spain, so everything looked like there could be a new revolution in place. I'm not surprised that communism/ anarchism is taking hold in Greece, the country struggling financially and feeling betrayed by its political elites, or that nationalism is taking hold in the countries struggling with the influx of migrants. People just want to live better, and they are desperately clinging to every thread of hope. And some demagogues take advantage of that. It's all very frustrating indeed, because the most educated and hard-working people are leaving the country and leaving the corrupt ones in their place.
Yes, it is the same mentality. People are not against the corruption, they would just like to be in place of those who are progressing through the corruption- not to have it eradicated. In a meantime, they admire the Chinese for how they deal with their corrupt political elites. :huh:
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 15:43
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 14:17
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 13:53
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 12:35
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 12:22
Faliro, I hope that you are looking for a new coach, if you do not intend to drive out your corrupt EPO, with shovels, sticks, baseball bats or whatever.
The problem is most Greeks have no dignity.
Take Tsipras as an example. Tsipras lied to the Greek people - actually did the rare thing of humiliating them in front of the world. He held a referendum asking the Greek people if they wanted to continue with EU austerity loans - the country voted no as he wanted them to and the PM then signed a new loan deal a few days later. Have to go back to Byzantine times for that kind of humiliation. Did Tsipras apologise? Nope. Said nothing. Greeks rewarded him by voting him back in power after complaining about him up until the election day! :huh: That is very Greek and it is connected with a lack of dignity - nothing more, nothing less. Fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice.. Tsipras's own Education Minister took Turkey's side and said there was no Greek Genocide for fucks sakes! :estrelas: Imagine all the butchered Greeks turning in their graves... but it is Greece... one more chance.. always one more chance..
Skibbe's situation is very similar. Not unlucky as a coach - just shit. So shit that everyone in Greece could spot it. Elementary and tragic mistakes and mistakes made with arrogance! Zero humility. Like Tsipras - did he apologise? Nope. Skibbe said he didn't really make any mistakes! :buck2: Next game at home - where he has to show fundamental mistakes like he made vs Croatia and vs Estonia were just one offs - shots on target last night in 94 minutes? 1 shot. Reward? Two more years contract.
This is very Greek - even more so as I already stated - if Skibbe was Greek, he would have been sacked last night - I can assure you. That tells you how little respect Greeks have for their own compared to Germans or in Tsipras's case - German supplicants. Sure there are some Greeks who are not like this. You even say Tsipras' name in the town I come from - there is a fight coming.. that is how much he is hated. But alas there are large swathes of Greece that have no dignity. No finesse. No lateral thinking. It is a big problem. That is why I never blamed the financial crisis on anyone but Greeks. They vote for politicians that promise them new helicopters, rainbows and free everything. When things crash they get angry - but never at themselves.
The players (who have had their careers boosted by constant NT call ups) want Skibbe to stay. Most the media wants him to stay and those morons in the stadium last night seemed happy with him. It is the same crowd who earlier cheered the Croatians as they entered the pitch because they got confused and thought the Croatians were Greeks because they had similar tracksuits. :2funny:
Two polls this morning on whether Skibbe should stay? Speaks volumes..
Vote on his future:
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/mundial/Poll-thelete-na-meinei-o-skimpe-stin-ethniki/3476240
and here:
http://www.sport24.gr/quiz/polls/na-meinei-h-na-fugei-o-skimpe.4934828.html
Are you describing Serbs or Greeks? :2funny:
It is not about the lack of dignity, believe me. The Serbs are the same. It is about people dropping into apathy and hoping that something will somehow change without their involvement, or at least that it will not get worse. In our case, people believed that if they deposed Milošević, they would " get a better life". But nothing changed, except for the names of politicians. It even got worse. We have centuries-old saying describing that: Sjaši Kurta, da uzjaše Murta ( Kurta gets off ( people's backs) only for Murta to get on). The positions of power call for negative selection, attracting the most ruthless, lazy ( our president has a Law degree but not a day of work in his life) and morally depraved people. Even those who start out as the idealists, eventually become corrupted. I was friends with this assistant professor from my faculty, who helped me a lot with his advice and was a kind and honest person. But then he became the Minister of Justice and I could not recognize him. A new person. I envy the Swiss who do not even know the name of their president, because they rotate them every month. That is the only cure.
So people just start thinking: What is the point? Nothing will ever change, no matter what we do. It is just a vicious circle.
Very surprised to see the results of these polls. :bah2:
It seems the Serbs and the Greeks have very similar problems culturally. It is nice to be able to speak about politics with you. In Greece you are always one word away from a fist fight - especially when dealing with the left.
I was in Greece this summer and was stuck in 3 hours of traffic coming back into Athens. The guy who rented the car was saying 'where are you.' I said I am in traffic 2 miles away, can't move. The whole city was closed down with police in the streets forcing cars away from the centre. Why? A far leftist terrorist was being jailed that day so anarchists decided to smash and set fire to Greece's premier shopping district - Ermou Street.
When I spoke to a restaurant worker about it ('Thanassis' - a very good Souvlaki place) - he looked confused. He stated 'it is called democracy.' I said what an earth does communists burning down businesses because a terrorist is being jailed have to do with democracy? I could see a fight was coming so we walked away - we had already eaten and paid the bill.
My Grandfather left Greece because of this. This disgusting apathy. Described best by the Greek saying. 'As one man's beard burns - a man next to him lights a cigarette.' It is a love of self sabotage.
Tsipras was idolized by the leftists here too. In fact, one of my professors abruptly cut her lesson short and said: Enough for today. I'm off to listen to the winner's ( Tsipras) inauguration speech. During that time, Podemos political party was growing in Spain, so everything looked like there could be a new revolution in place. I'm not surprised that communism/ anarchism is taking hold in Greece, the country struggling financially and feeling betrayed by its political elites, or that nationalism is taking hold in the countries struggling with the influx of migrants. People just want to live better, and they are desperately clinging to every thread of hope. And some demagogues take advantage of that. It's all very frustrating indeed, because the most educated and hard-working people are leaving the country and leaving the corrupt ones in their place.
Yes, it is the same mentality. People are not against the corruption, they would just like to be in place of those who are progressing through the corruption- not to have it eradicated. In a meantime, they admire the Chinese for how they deal with their corrupt political elites. :huh:
Balkans is just so fucked. Could write a book on all the fucked things I have seen. The left is very strong in Greece - except when you come down to where I am from. They have never voted in a left wing candidate in their history. The whole region is similar. Most old people there even have pictures of the exiled Royal Family on their walls! However when you go to Athens or Northern Greece - You really feel the strength of the left. Their hatred for historical patriotism - their positive curiosity and apologetic nonsense concerning Turkey.
You know when I was kid what soap operas Greece had? South American, US and Greek.
You know what soaps are on day time TV in Greece now? Turkish - in Turkish - with Greek subtitles. Because apparently Greeks can relate to a 14th century arranged Sunni marriage story more than to a soap opera set in California in 2017... The leftist agenda is constantly pushed in Greece. Constantly. Most the Greeks who left Greece were right wing - capitalists. The ones who stayed? Farmers, intellectual left in cushy nationalised sectors and people on benefits.
Greece is finished. Seriously. For every Greek who you go - what a cool guy! There are 9 who are leftist drones - with a cigarette hanging out their mouthes and wrapped in Palestinian scarves - Cyrpto Anarchists - saying things like 'it is the system against Greeks - the system fucked us - they decided to destroy Greeks - Amerika, Yermanyy... they destroy us on purpose because they know we are too strong...'
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 16:14
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 15:43
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 14:17
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 13:53
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 12:35
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 12:22
Faliro, I hope that you are looking for a new coach, if you do not intend to drive out your corrupt EPO, with shovels, sticks, baseball bats or whatever.
The problem is most Greeks have no dignity.
Take Tsipras as an example. Tsipras lied to the Greek people - actually did the rare thing of humiliating them in front of the world. He held a referendum asking the Greek people if they wanted to continue with EU austerity loans - the country voted no as he wanted them to and the PM then signed a new loan deal a few days later. Have to go back to Byzantine times for that kind of humiliation. Did Tsipras apologise? Nope. Said nothing. Greeks rewarded him by voting him back in power after complaining about him up until the election day! :huh: That is very Greek and it is connected with a lack of dignity - nothing more, nothing less. Fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice.. Tsipras's own Education Minister took Turkey's side and said there was no Greek Genocide for fucks sakes! :estrelas: Imagine all the butchered Greeks turning in their graves... but it is Greece... one more chance.. always one more chance..
Skibbe's situation is very similar. Not unlucky as a coach - just shit. So shit that everyone in Greece could spot it. Elementary and tragic mistakes and mistakes made with arrogance! Zero humility. Like Tsipras - did he apologise? Nope. Skibbe said he didn't really make any mistakes! :buck2: Next game at home - where he has to show fundamental mistakes like he made vs Croatia and vs Estonia were just one offs - shots on target last night in 94 minutes? 1 shot. Reward? Two more years contract.
This is very Greek - even more so as I already stated - if Skibbe was Greek, he would have been sacked last night - I can assure you. That tells you how little respect Greeks have for their own compared to Germans or in Tsipras's case - German supplicants. Sure there are some Greeks who are not like this. You even say Tsipras' name in the town I come from - there is a fight coming.. that is how much he is hated. But alas there are large swathes of Greece that have no dignity. No finesse. No lateral thinking. It is a big problem. That is why I never blamed the financial crisis on anyone but Greeks. They vote for politicians that promise them new helicopters, rainbows and free everything. When things crash they get angry - but never at themselves.
The players (who have had their careers boosted by constant NT call ups) want Skibbe to stay. Most the media wants him to stay and those morons in the stadium last night seemed happy with him. It is the same crowd who earlier cheered the Croatians as they entered the pitch because they got confused and thought the Croatians were Greeks because they had similar tracksuits. :2funny:
Two polls this morning on whether Skibbe should stay? Speaks volumes..
Vote on his future:
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/mundial/Poll-thelete-na-meinei-o-skimpe-stin-ethniki/3476240
and here:
http://www.sport24.gr/quiz/polls/na-meinei-h-na-fugei-o-skimpe.4934828.html
Are you describing Serbs or Greeks? :2funny:
It is not about the lack of dignity, believe me. The Serbs are the same. It is about people dropping into apathy and hoping that something will somehow change without their involvement, or at least that it will not get worse. In our case, people believed that if they deposed Milošević, they would " get a better life". But nothing changed, except for the names of politicians. It even got worse. We have centuries-old saying describing that: Sjaši Kurta, da uzjaše Murta ( Kurta gets off ( people's backs) only for Murta to get on). The positions of power call for negative selection, attracting the most ruthless, lazy ( our president has a Law degree but not a day of work in his life) and morally depraved people. Even those who start out as the idealists, eventually become corrupted. I was friends with this assistant professor from my faculty, who helped me a lot with his advice and was a kind and honest person. But then he became the Minister of Justice and I could not recognize him. A new person. I envy the Swiss who do not even know the name of their president, because they rotate them every month. That is the only cure.
So people just start thinking: What is the point? Nothing will ever change, no matter what we do. It is just a vicious circle.
Very surprised to see the results of these polls. :bah2:
It seems the Serbs and the Greeks have very similar problems culturally. It is nice to be able to speak about politics with you. In Greece you are always one word away from a fist fight - especially when dealing with the left.
I was in Greece this summer and was stuck in 3 hours of traffic coming back into Athens. The guy who rented the car was saying 'where are you.' I said I am in traffic 2 miles away, can't move. The whole city was closed down with police in the streets forcing cars away from the centre. Why? A far leftist terrorist was being jailed that day so anarchists decided to smash and set fire to Greece's premier shopping district - Ermou Street.
When I spoke to a restaurant worker about it ('Thanassis' - a very good Souvlaki place) - he looked confused. He stated 'it is called democracy.' I said what an earth does communists burning down businesses because a terrorist is being jailed have to do with democracy? I could see a fight was coming so we walked away - we had already eaten and paid the bill.
My Grandfather left Greece because of this. This disgusting apathy. Described best by the Greek saying. 'As one man's beard burns - a man next to him lights a cigarette.' It is a love of self sabotage.
Tsipras was idolized by the leftists here too. In fact, one of my professors abruptly cut her lesson short and said: Enough for today. I'm off to listen to the winner's ( Tsipras) inauguration speech. During that time, Podemos political party was growing in Spain, so everything looked like there could be a new revolution in place. I'm not surprised that communism/ anarchism is taking hold in Greece, the country struggling financially and feeling betrayed by its political elites, or that nationalism is taking hold in the countries struggling with the influx of migrants. People just want to live better, and they are desperately clinging to every thread of hope. And some demagogues take advantage of that. It's all very frustrating indeed, because the most educated and hard-working people are leaving the country and leaving the corrupt ones in their place.
Yes, it is the same mentality. People are not against the corruption, they would just like to be in place of those who are progressing through the corruption- not to have it eradicated. In a meantime, they admire the Chinese for how they deal with their corrupt political elites. :huh:
Balkans is just so fucked. Could write a book on all the fucked things I have seen. The left is very strong in Greece - except when you come down to where I am from. They have never voted in a left wing candidate in their history. The whole region is similar. Most old people there even have pictures of the exiled Royal Family on their walls! However when you go to Athens or Northern Greece - You really feel the strength of the left. Their hatred for historical patriotism - their positive curiosity and apologetic nonsense concerning Turkey.
You know when I was kid what soap operas Greece had? South American, US and Greek.
You know what soaps are on day time TV in Greece now? Turkish - in Turkish - with Greek subtitles. Because apparently Greeks can relate to a 14th century arranged Sunni marriage story more than to a soap opera set in California in 2017... The leftist agenda is constantly pushed in Greece. Constantly. Most the Greeks who left Greece were right wing - capitalists. The ones who stayed? Farmers, intellectual left in cushy nationalised sectors and people on benefits.
Greece is finished. Seriously. For every Greek who you go - what a cool guy! There are 9 who are leftist drones - with a cigarette hanging out their mouthes and wrapped in Palestinian scarves - Cyrpto Anarchists - saying things like 'it is the system against Greeks - the system fucked us - they decided to destroy Greeks - Amerika, Yermanyy... they destroy us on purpose because they know we are too strong...'
:2funny:
All the same. Here too, people once watched the American telenovelas, Venezuelan, Brazilian...now, on every TV channel there is a Turkish soap opera. The most popular was Suleyman the Great and Hurem ( something like that), women in particular adored it. They also love some guy who played the character of Bali bey, he visited Serbia to meet his fans. A lot of people have started learning Turkish because of that. Others are scandalized, saying: Almost 500 years of Turkish rules were apparently not enough. Our president says: We need to nourish our centuries- long friendship with Turkey.
The most incredible of all, Erdogan recently visited Serbia and our Minister of Foreign Affairs! sang the song " Osman pasha" in Turkish! to him! It is a scandal, unheard of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP-Nt6H7G84
Here too, ahead of important elections ( the day before) our popular group released the song that had millions of views" The system lies to you". Of course, if people believe that the system lies to them, they will not vote and will accept the status quo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-CYklsgtVA
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 16:33
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 16:14
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 15:43
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 14:17
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 13:53
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 12:35
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 12:22
Faliro, I hope that you are looking for a new coach, if you do not intend to drive out your corrupt EPO, with shovels, sticks, baseball bats or whatever.
The problem is most Greeks have no dignity.
Take Tsipras as an example. Tsipras lied to the Greek people - actually did the rare thing of humiliating them in front of the world. He held a referendum asking the Greek people if they wanted to continue with EU austerity loans - the country voted no as he wanted them to and the PM then signed a new loan deal a few days later. Have to go back to Byzantine times for that kind of humiliation. Did Tsipras apologise? Nope. Said nothing. Greeks rewarded him by voting him back in power after complaining about him up until the election day! :huh: That is very Greek and it is connected with a lack of dignity - nothing more, nothing less. Fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice.. Tsipras's own Education Minister took Turkey's side and said there was no Greek Genocide for fucks sakes! :estrelas: Imagine all the butchered Greeks turning in their graves... but it is Greece... one more chance.. always one more chance..
Skibbe's situation is very similar. Not unlucky as a coach - just shit. So shit that everyone in Greece could spot it. Elementary and tragic mistakes and mistakes made with arrogance! Zero humility. Like Tsipras - did he apologise? Nope. Skibbe said he didn't really make any mistakes! :buck2: Next game at home - where he has to show fundamental mistakes like he made vs Croatia and vs Estonia were just one offs - shots on target last night in 94 minutes? 1 shot. Reward? Two more years contract.
This is very Greek - even more so as I already stated - if Skibbe was Greek, he would have been sacked last night - I can assure you. That tells you how little respect Greeks have for their own compared to Germans or in Tsipras's case - German supplicants. Sure there are some Greeks who are not like this. You even say Tsipras' name in the town I come from - there is a fight coming.. that is how much he is hated. But alas there are large swathes of Greece that have no dignity. No finesse. No lateral thinking. It is a big problem. That is why I never blamed the financial crisis on anyone but Greeks. They vote for politicians that promise them new helicopters, rainbows and free everything. When things crash they get angry - but never at themselves.
The players (who have had their careers boosted by constant NT call ups) want Skibbe to stay. Most the media wants him to stay and those morons in the stadium last night seemed happy with him. It is the same crowd who earlier cheered the Croatians as they entered the pitch because they got confused and thought the Croatians were Greeks because they had similar tracksuits. :2funny:
Two polls this morning on whether Skibbe should stay? Speaks volumes..
Vote on his future:
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/mundial/Poll-thelete-na-meinei-o-skimpe-stin-ethniki/3476240
and here:
http://www.sport24.gr/quiz/polls/na-meinei-h-na-fugei-o-skimpe.4934828.html
Are you describing Serbs or Greeks? :2funny:
It is not about the lack of dignity, believe me. The Serbs are the same. It is about people dropping into apathy and hoping that something will somehow change without their involvement, or at least that it will not get worse. In our case, people believed that if they deposed Milošević, they would " get a better life". But nothing changed, except for the names of politicians. It even got worse. We have centuries-old saying describing that: Sjaši Kurta, da uzjaše Murta ( Kurta gets off ( people's backs) only for Murta to get on). The positions of power call for negative selection, attracting the most ruthless, lazy ( our president has a Law degree but not a day of work in his life) and morally depraved people. Even those who start out as the idealists, eventually become corrupted. I was friends with this assistant professor from my faculty, who helped me a lot with his advice and was a kind and honest person. But then he became the Minister of Justice and I could not recognize him. A new person. I envy the Swiss who do not even know the name of their president, because they rotate them every month. That is the only cure.
So people just start thinking: What is the point? Nothing will ever change, no matter what we do. It is just a vicious circle.
Very surprised to see the results of these polls. :bah2:
It seems the Serbs and the Greeks have very similar problems culturally. It is nice to be able to speak about politics with you. In Greece you are always one word away from a fist fight - especially when dealing with the left.
I was in Greece this summer and was stuck in 3 hours of traffic coming back into Athens. The guy who rented the car was saying 'where are you.' I said I am in traffic 2 miles away, can't move. The whole city was closed down with police in the streets forcing cars away from the centre. Why? A far leftist terrorist was being jailed that day so anarchists decided to smash and set fire to Greece's premier shopping district - Ermou Street.
When I spoke to a restaurant worker about it ('Thanassis' - a very good Souvlaki place) - he looked confused. He stated 'it is called democracy.' I said what an earth does communists burning down businesses because a terrorist is being jailed have to do with democracy? I could see a fight was coming so we walked away - we had already eaten and paid the bill.
My Grandfather left Greece because of this. This disgusting apathy. Described best by the Greek saying. 'As one man's beard burns - a man next to him lights a cigarette.' It is a love of self sabotage.
Tsipras was idolized by the leftists here too. In fact, one of my professors abruptly cut her lesson short and said: Enough for today. I'm off to listen to the winner's ( Tsipras) inauguration speech. During that time, Podemos political party was growing in Spain, so everything looked like there could be a new revolution in place. I'm not surprised that communism/ anarchism is taking hold in Greece, the country struggling financially and feeling betrayed by its political elites, or that nationalism is taking hold in the countries struggling with the influx of migrants. People just want to live better, and they are desperately clinging to every thread of hope. And some demagogues take advantage of that. It's all very frustrating indeed, because the most educated and hard-working people are leaving the country and leaving the corrupt ones in their place.
Yes, it is the same mentality. People are not against the corruption, they would just like to be in place of those who are progressing through the corruption- not to have it eradicated. In a meantime, they admire the Chinese for how they deal with their corrupt political elites. :huh:
Balkans is just so fucked. Could write a book on all the fucked things I have seen. The left is very strong in Greece - except when you come down to where I am from. They have never voted in a left wing candidate in their history. The whole region is similar. Most old people there even have pictures of the exiled Royal Family on their walls! However when you go to Athens or Northern Greece - You really feel the strength of the left. Their hatred for historical patriotism - their positive curiosity and apologetic nonsense concerning Turkey.
You know when I was kid what soap operas Greece had? South American, US and Greek.
You know what soaps are on day time TV in Greece now? Turkish - in Turkish - with Greek subtitles. Because apparently Greeks can relate to a 14th century arranged Sunni marriage story more than to a soap opera set in California in 2017... The leftist agenda is constantly pushed in Greece. Constantly. Most the Greeks who left Greece were right wing - capitalists. The ones who stayed? Farmers, intellectual left in cushy nationalised sectors and people on benefits.
Greece is finished. Seriously. For every Greek who you go - what a cool guy! There are 9 who are leftist drones - with a cigarette hanging out their mouthes and wrapped in Palestinian scarves - Cyrpto Anarchists - saying things like 'it is the system against Greeks - the system fucked us - they decided to destroy Greeks - Amerika, Yermanyy... they destroy us on purpose because they know we are too strong...'
The most incredible of all, Erdogan recently visited Serbia and our Minister of Foreign Affairs! sang the song " Osman pasha" in Turkish! to him! It is a scandal, unheard of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP-Nt6H7G84
Just sickening. My ancestors shed blood to get the Turks and Albanians out. Greece is lost.
We even have regions in the north that will be the next Bosnia/Kosovo... we allowed Turkic muslims to stay in the country and breed - learn Turkish at school despite Turkey kicking out all the Greeks.. and each time Erdogan makes a statement he talks about freeing these muslims!!
If ever I decide to live in Greece and am putting up a massive flag outside my house to piss off all the communists. Something like this:
(http://www.spartavoice.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/mani-2014-800x445.jpg)
BTW you are welcome to join my forum and chime in on whatever want. Sedra.eu
Good to have a patriot around.
Are the greek fans pleased with yesterday exibition?
Unbelievable, it was one of the most boring matches I've ever watched. A team that needs to win 3-0 and only is capable of shooting once at target...
Citação de: TFFS em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 17:48
Are the greek fans pleased with yesterday exibition?
Unbelievable, it was one of the most boring matches I've ever watched. A team that needs to win 3-0 and only is capable of shooting once at target...
51% are pleased
49% want him gone
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/mundial/Poll-sportfm-gr-oriaka-uper-tis-paramonis-skimpe-stin-ethniki-o-kosmos/3476354
The media, players and other assorted idiots are all backing him.
Anyone who knows basic football wants him out.
I haven't missed an NT match since 2003. If Skibbe stays I am not going to bother watching anymore. Had enough of watching
absolute scum like Tzavellas, Tziolis, Stafylidis, Maniatis, Bakasetas and Lazarus. They can't fucking even control the ball. They can't fucking even pass to feet. None of them are regulars at their clubs - Stafylidis hasn't played for his club 1 minute all season! The team plays like the Iraqi national team in the 1980s. Most the players look like they specialise in other sports - but put on the national football shirt thanks to their agents.
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 17:50
Citação de: TFFS em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 17:48
Are the greek fans pleased with yesterday exibition?
Unbelievable, it was one of the most boring matches I've ever watched. A team that needs to win 3-0 and only is capable of shooting once at target...
51% are pleased
49% want him gone
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/mundial/Poll-sportfm-gr-oriaka-uper-tis-paramonis-skimpe-stin-ethniki-o-kosmos/3476354
The media, players and other assorted idiots are all backing him.
Anyone who knows basic football wants him out.
I haven't missed an NT match since 2003. If Skibbe stays I am not going to bother watching anymore. Had enough of watching absolute scum like Tzavellas, Tziolis, Stafylidis, Maniatis, Bakasetas and Lazarus. They can't fucking even control the ball. They can't fucking even pass to feet. None of them are regulars at their clubs - Stafylidis hasn't played for his club 1 minute all season! The team plays like the Iraqi national team in the 1980s. Most the players look like they specialise in other sports - but put on the national football shirt thanks to their agents.
I would put Bakasetas in bold. He is awful. Makes me think that with the right connects I would be playing for Greece if I was born there. one of the worst players I've seen in a medium/high quality national team. And Zeca. What an average player.
Citação de: TFFS em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 18:40
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 17:50
Citação de: TFFS em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 17:48
Are the greek fans pleased with yesterday exibition?
Unbelievable, it was one of the most boring matches I've ever watched. A team that needs to win 3-0 and only is capable of shooting once at target...
51% are pleased
49% want him gone
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/mundial/Poll-sportfm-gr-oriaka-uper-tis-paramonis-skimpe-stin-ethniki-o-kosmos/3476354
The media, players and other assorted idiots are all backing him.
Anyone who knows basic football wants him out.
I haven't missed an NT match since 2003. If Skibbe stays I am not going to bother watching anymore. Had enough of watching absolute scum like Tzavellas, Tziolis, Stafylidis, Maniatis, Bakasetas and Lazarus. They can't fucking even control the ball. They can't fucking even pass to feet. None of them are regulars at their clubs - Stafylidis hasn't played for his club 1 minute all season! The team plays like the Iraqi national team in the 1980s. Most the players look like they specialise in other sports - but put on the national football shirt thanks to their agents.
I would put Bakasetas in bold. He is awful. Makes me think that with the right connects I would be playing for Greece if I was born there. one of the worst players I've seen in a medium/high quality national team. And Zeca. What an average player.
Agree completely. It is all about having the right connections. Bakasetas is a tragic footballer. I remember a few years ago Samaras was once filmed playing in an amateur 5-a-side game. He looked lost. He was the NT's starting winger for years.
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 19:02
Citação de: TFFS em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 18:40
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 17:50
Citação de: TFFS em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 17:48
Are the greek fans pleased with yesterday exibition?
Unbelievable, it was one of the most boring matches I've ever watched. A team that needs to win 3-0 and only is capable of shooting once at target...
51% are pleased
49% want him gone
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/mundial/Poll-sportfm-gr-oriaka-uper-tis-paramonis-skimpe-stin-ethniki-o-kosmos/3476354
The media, players and other assorted idiots are all backing him.
Anyone who knows basic football wants him out.
I haven't missed an NT match since 2003. If Skibbe stays I am not going to bother watching anymore. Had enough of watching absolute scum like Tzavellas, Tziolis, Stafylidis, Maniatis, Bakasetas and Lazarus. They can't fucking even control the ball. They can't fucking even pass to feet. None of them are regulars at their clubs - Stafylidis hasn't played for his club 1 minute all season! The team plays like the Iraqi national team in the 1980s. Most the players look like they specialise in other sports - but put on the national football shirt thanks to their agents.
I would put Bakasetas in bold. He is awful. Makes me think that with the right connects I would be playing for Greece if I was born there. one of the worst players I've seen in a medium/high quality national team. And Zeca. What an average player.
Agree completely. It is all about having the right connections. Bakasetas is a tragic footballer. I remember a few years ago Samaras was once filmed playing in an amateur 5-a-side game. He looked lost. He was the NT's starting winger for years.
Samaras... And he still played for Celtic as a starter.
When Samaris came to Benfica, the first time that someone speaked of him being associated to Benfica, I became livid thinking and asking (that horrible guy from Celtic?) but then I realized it was the Olympiakos one and it was a real relief
Johansson tore his front cruciate tonight against Italy - he will be out for 6 months. He is AEK's captain.
AEK's best player Mantalos - tore his ACL last week. Out for 6 months. He is perhaps the best 10 in Greece.
Don't see AEK recovering from this easily. They were perhaps favourites for this years title. Will be hard to replace these players.
In positive news their stadium is still continuing and you can see where the massive Byzantine pillars on each corner will be inserted at a depth of 8 meters. Stadium capacity is not fixed and it will be 31,800. Foundation work starts in two weeks.
(https://i.imgur.com/PFIzS20.jpg)
Citação de: TFFS em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 19:19
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 19:02
Citação de: TFFS em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 18:40
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 17:50
Citação de: TFFS em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 17:48
Are the greek fans pleased with yesterday exibition?
Unbelievable, it was one of the most boring matches I've ever watched. A team that needs to win 3-0 and only is capable of shooting once at target...
51% are pleased
49% want him gone
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/mundial/Poll-sportfm-gr-oriaka-uper-tis-paramonis-skimpe-stin-ethniki-o-kosmos/3476354
The media, players and other assorted idiots are all backing him.
Anyone who knows basic football wants him out.
I haven't missed an NT match since 2003. If Skibbe stays I am not going to bother watching anymore. Had enough of watching absolute scum like Tzavellas, Tziolis, Stafylidis, Maniatis, Bakasetas and Lazarus. They can't fucking even control the ball. They can't fucking even pass to feet. None of them are regulars at their clubs - Stafylidis hasn't played for his club 1 minute all season! The team plays like the Iraqi national team in the 1980s. Most the players look like they specialise in other sports - but put on the national football shirt thanks to their agents.
I would put Bakasetas in bold. He is awful. Makes me think that with the right connects I would be playing for Greece if I was born there. one of the worst players I've seen in a medium/high quality national team. And Zeca. What an average player.
Agree completely. It is all about having the right connections. Bakasetas is a tragic footballer. I remember a few years ago Samaras was once filmed playing in an amateur 5-a-side game. He looked lost. He was the NT's starting winger for years.
Samaras... And he still played for Celtic as a starter.
When Samaris came to Benfica, the first time that someone speaked of him being associated to Benfica, I became livid thinking and asking (that horrible guy from Celtic?) but then I realized it was the Olympiakos one and it was a real relief
Yea Samaras was complete garbage. I feel like I am saying that a lot lately about Greek players, but so many are crap.
Samaras means 'saddle' - Samaris is just another variation. These guys ancestors made saddles? Fuck knows, they are crap at football.
It's fucking great to see international users being active over here.
About the lack of self respect, same thing could be said about the Portuguese, although that mindset has been changing lately.
Per example, when it comes to Portuguese products and industry, some years ago people were inclined to avoid Portuguese products in fear of lack of quality. Nowadays, Portuguese products equal quality and people are actually proud to see our products outshine international competition.
Same thing applies to football, we're afraid of no one now and feel our NT can win any team.
Still, there's a long way to go if we compare - for example - to Germany or the UK.
The Portuguese are not stupid people. That is obvious. They work out how to move forward.
There is a spark there. When I meet a Greek who is smart - I feel like adopting them - they are so rare. How they have intellectually survived everything around them is fascinating.
Greeks are regressive for the most part. Self saboteurs. The Greeks of the revolution in the 1820s are a minority.
I am fucking tired of Greek NT football. The fucking Syriza Sports Minister came out today and said Skibbe has to stay as coach and was just 'unlucky.' ::bater:: ::bater:: ::bater:: ::bater:: ::bater::
Greeks threw away everything that was achieved in 2004. We actually bizarrely and quite ingeniously managed to undo every single positive. Said it enough on here. Greece is a beautiful country - seriously - the land is blessed. Naturally gorgeous place. The people? As Kazantzakis said - Greece needs to be lifted up - brush all the people into the see and start again.
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 22:51
Johansson tore his front cruciate tonight against Italy - he will be out for 6 months. He is AEK's captain.
AEK's best player Mantalos - tore his ACL last week. Out for 6 months. He is perhaps the best 10 in Greece.
Don't see AEK recovering from this easily. They were perhaps favourites for this years title. Will be hard to replace these players.
In positive news their stadium is still continuing and you can see where the massive Byzantine pillars on each corner will be inserted at a depth of 8 meters. Stadium capacity is not fixed and it will be 31,800. Foundation work starts in two weeks.
(https://i.imgur.com/PFIzS20.jpg)
They will need investiment in January I believe.
Maybe Patito can now show what he is capable of.
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Novembro de 2017, 14:29
The Portuguese are not stupid people. That is obvious. They work out how to move forward.
There is a spark there. When I meet a Greek who is smart - I feel like adopting them - they are so rare. How they have intellectually survived everything around them is fascinating.
Greeks are regressive for the most part. Self saboteurs. The Greeks of the revolution in the 1820s are a minority.
I am fucking tired of Greek NT football. The fucking Syriza Sports Minister came out today and said Skibbe has to stay as coach and was just 'unlucky.' ::bater:: ::bater:: ::bater:: ::bater:: ::bater::
Greeks threw away everything that was achieved in 2004. We actually bizarrely and quite ingeniously managed to undo every single positive. Said it enough on here. Greece is a beautiful country - seriously - the land is blessed. Naturally gorgeous place. The people? As Kazantzakis said - Greece needs to be lifted up - brush all the people into the see and start again.
Do not despair, Faliro! More optimism...
Nothing left! :cool2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AzpHvLWFUM
PAO 1
AEK 1
These games are always boring as shit. Highlight was manolo saluting the Leoforos on 83'
(https://scontent.flhr1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23621546_385029041917411_6108090704562804934_n.jpg?oh=1b2963ac8dd79b534ed62c2622cb5928&oe=5AAB19CA)
Citação de: Covenant em 14 de Novembro de 2017, 14:47
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Novembro de 2017, 22:51
Johansson tore his front cruciate tonight against Italy - he will be out for 6 months. He is AEK's captain.
AEK's best player Mantalos - tore his ACL last week. Out for 6 months. He is perhaps the best 10 in Greece.
Don't see AEK recovering from this easily. They were perhaps favourites for this years title. Will be hard to replace these players.
In positive news their stadium is still continuing and you can see where the massive Byzantine pillars on each corner will be inserted at a depth of 8 meters. Stadium capacity is not fixed and it will be 31,800. Foundation work starts in two weeks.
(https://i.imgur.com/PFIzS20.jpg)
They will need investiment in January I believe.
Maybe Patito can now show what he is capable of.
Their team has been winded with the loss of those two starters. They need to open the purse in winter. Patito has been at the door for months. Not liked by the coaching staff.
Patito still not not getting minutes, I see a departure in January.
Good for Olympiakos the draw between Panathinaikos and AEK.
Great game tomorrow, PAOK vs Atromitos.
I'm wondering how could Ognjen Vranješ remain in Greece after his statements and promising " hell in Zenica", after that match in Greece. He is a complete disgrace. He had a tattoo with the map of Republic of Srpska on his hand, and had to re-do it ( into a watch) to be able to play for Bosnia and Herzegovina. He will never again play for Zvezda, that is for sure, fans will not allow that.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 00:23
I'm wondering how could Ognjen Vranješ remain in Greece after his statements and promising " hell in Zenica", after that match in Greece. He is a complete disgrace. He had a tattoo with the map of Republic of Srpska on his hand, and had to re-do it ( into a watch) to be able to play for Bosnia and Herzegovina. He will never again play for Zvezda, that is for sure, fans will not allow that.
What you think about the differents countrys that made Yugoslavia?
Citação de: Covenant em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 01:05
Citação de: StellaRojas em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 00:23
I'm wondering how could Ognjen Vranješ remain in Greece after his statements and promising " hell in Zenica", after that match in Greece. He is a complete disgrace. He had a tattoo with the map of Republic of Srpska on his hand, and had to re-do it ( into a watch) to be able to play for Bosnia and Herzegovina. He will never again play for Zvezda, that is for sure, fans will not allow that.
What you think about the differents countrys that made Yugoslavia?
Haha, you are pulling my tongue...Indifferent attitude at best, hostile at worst. The reason why I mentioned Ognjen is not that Serbs who play for Bosnia and Herzegovina, can not play for Zvezda. But his case is unique, he spat on himself, in order to jumpstart his career by playing for any NT- he would have played for the national team of ISIS too, I guess. That is why he is not even welcome in his hometown of Banjaluka. So he can forget about Zvezda forever.
Oh, but I really want to know your feelings about Croatia, Bósnia, Kosovo, etc...
Citação de: Covenant em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 10:21
Oh, but I really want to know your feelings about Croatia, Bósnia, Kosovo, etc...
Not sure if this is the right topic....For one thing, I ( we) do not recognize Kosovo. It is a failed narco quasi-state.
As for those ex-Yugoslav states, they chose to be " independent", bought into the fairy tales of their nationalist " elites" and ravaged Yugoslavia. So they should not complain because they are now fully dysfunctional ( like Bosnia) or pushed to the European periphery, like Croatia, or about to be run over by Albanians like the FYROM.
Citação de: Covenant em 19 de Novembro de 2017, 22:53
Great game tomorrow, PAOK vs Atromitos.
Should be. O0
@StellaRojas
Concerning Vranješ - he had a massive bust up with Jiminez last week in training. Made all the papers. He apologised later. He is a hot head on the pitch - he always looks like he is about to smash someone.
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 12:59
Citação de: Covenant em 19 de Novembro de 2017, 22:53
Great game tomorrow, PAOK vs Atromitos.
Should be. O0
@StellaRojas
Concerning Vranješ - he had a massive bust up with Jiminez last week in training. Made all the papers. He apologised later. He is a hot head on the pitch - he always looks like he is about to smash someone.
Thank God they decided to keep him there. Or we would have to fight against him coming to Zvezda once again.
sporting lisbon vs Olympiakos this wednesday. It's gonna be a tough game, I guess, unless sporting goes sporting, again.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 13:12
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 12:59
Citação de: Covenant em 19 de Novembro de 2017, 22:53
Great game tomorrow, PAOK vs Atromitos.
Should be. O0
@StellaRojas
Concerning Vranješ - he had a massive bust up with Jiminez last week in training. Made all the papers. He apologised later. He is a hot head on the pitch - he always looks like he is about to smash someone.
Thank God they decided to keep him there. Or we would have to fight against him coming to Zvezda once again.
Any idea where Damir Canadi is originally from - ancestrally speaking?
Citação de: Demichel em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 17:02
sporting lisbon vs Olympiakos this wednesday. It's gonna be a tough game, I guess, unless sporting goes sporting, again.
Sporting clear favourites - no question. Will be very tough.
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 17:14
Citação de: Demichel em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 17:02
sporting lisbon vs Olympiakos this wednesday. It's gonna be a tough game, I guess, unless sporting goes sporting, again.
Sporting clear favourites - no question. Will be very tough.
They have nice players as Patrício(best GK playing in Portugal nowadays). Their defensive line is not great, but they have a nice midfield(WC, Bruno Fernandes), dangerous wingers (Gelson and Acuna) and of course... Bas Dost, he could be very lethal.
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 17:13
Citação de: StellaRojas em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 13:12
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 12:59
Citação de: Covenant em 19 de Novembro de 2017, 22:53
Great game tomorrow, PAOK vs Atromitos.
Should be. O0
@StellaRojas
Concerning Vranješ - he had a massive bust up with Jiminez last week in training. Made all the papers. He apologised later. He is a hot head on the pitch - he always looks like he is about to smash someone.
Thank God they decided to keep him there. Or we would have to fight against him coming to Zvezda once again.
Any idea where Damir Canadi is originally from - ancestrally speaking?
The Croatians say that he is of Croatian origin. But he is probably mixed. Canadi last name is originally Hungarian, but a lot of them living in Croatia became assimilated as Croatians.
Citação de: Demichel em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 17:23
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 17:14
Citação de: Demichel em 20 de Novembro de 2017, 17:02
sporting lisbon vs Olympiakos this wednesday. It's gonna be a tough game, I guess, unless sporting goes sporting, again.
Sporting clear favourites - no question. Will be very tough.
They have nice players as Patrício(best GK playing in Portugal nowadays). Their defensive line is not great, but they have a nice midfield(WC, Bruno Fernandes), dangerous wingers (Gelson and Acuna) and of course... Bas Dost, he could be very lethal.
Is Acuna injured?
So huh
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/934789095145996288
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Novembro de 2017, 15:29
So huh
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/934789095145996288
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
I love PAOK fans again!!!
:rir: :rir: :rir: :rir:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFTtMn7xqNY
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:11
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
If you read something about that tell us. How he played last games?
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:58
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:11
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
If you read something about that tell us. How he played last games?
He plays the same way. Fairly decent. Nothing special. Gianniotis is the one with talent.
PAO played a couple of their teenagers today. They are getting ready to lose everyone this month. Panionios beat them well.
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:07
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:58
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:11
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
If you read something about that tell us. How he played last games?
He plays the same way. Fairly decent. Nothing special. Gianniotis is the one with talent.
PAO played a couple of their teenagers today. They are getting ready to lose everyone this month. Panionios beat them well.
They're gonna sell the whole team? Who should we pick up? :coolsmiley:
Citação de: Calcio em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:54
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:07
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:58
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:11
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
If you read something about that tell us. How he played last games?
He plays the same way. Fairly decent. Nothing special. Gianniotis is the one with talent.
PAO played a couple of their teenagers today. They are getting ready to lose everyone this month. Panionios beat them well.
They're gonna sell the whole team? Who should we pick up? :coolsmiley:
All garbage. A few I don't know because they are youth players rushed to main squad the last 2 weeks.
1 Greece GK Sokratis Dioudis
Meh..
2 Sweden DF Mattias Johansson
Rubbish3 Argentina DF Emanuel Insúa
Meh..
4 Greece DF Giorgos Koutroubis
Garbage5 Portugal DF Nuno Reis
Average6 Greece MF Christos Donis (5th-captain)
Meh7 Israel MF Omri Altman
Garbage8 Sweden FW Guillermo Molins (4th-captain)
Inconsistent - mostly garbage.9 Argentina FW Andrés Chávez
Garbage10 France MF Anthony Mounier
Garbage.
11 Ecuador FW Bryan Cabezas (on loan from Atalanta)
Good.
14 Sweden MF Oscar Hiljemark (on loan from Genoa)
Meh..
15 Greece DF Tasos Avlonitis
Average..
17 Finland MF Robin Lod
Average..
18 Brazil FW Luciano
Garbage.
19 Argentina MF Lucas Villafáñez (3rd-captain)
Average21 Greece MF Dimitris Kourbelis (captain)
Could be a good player in the right environment.22 Greece MF Fanis Tzandaris
Jury out.23 Sweden DF Niklas Hult
Garbage - terrible defender.26 Greece DF Dimitrios Kolovetsios -
Average.27 Greece GK Konstantinos Kotsaris
No idea.29 Mali MF Yacouba Sylla (on loan from Rennais)
No idea.31 Brazil DF Rodrigo Moledo (vice-captain)
Average.
34 Greece MF Paschalis Staikos
No idea.39 Greece MF Anastasios Chatzigiovannis
No idea.41 Greece DF Stefanos Evangelou
No idea.49 Greece FW Sotiris-Pantelis Pispas
No idea.78 Mali DF Ousmane Coulibaly
Meh.. always injured too.99 Germany GK Odisseas Vlachodimos
Already said.
Great start for Aris.
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:07
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:58
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:11
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
If you read something about that tell us. How he played last games?
He plays the same way. Fairly decent. Nothing special. Gianniotis is the one with talent.
PAO played a couple of their teenagers today. They are getting ready to lose everyone this month. Panionios beat them well.
They are in real danger of getting relegated due to financial problems, right?
Citação de: TFFS em 04 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:48
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:07
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:58
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:11
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
If you read something about that tell us. How he played last games?
He plays the same way. Fairly decent. Nothing special. Gianniotis is the one with talent.
PAO played a couple of their teenagers today. They are getting ready to lose everyone this month. Panionios beat them well.
They are in real danger of getting relegated due to financial problems, right?
Correct. PAO are in a worse position than Aris were in when they got relegated. They will try and sell all players in the Xmas but it will not be enough. Many lawyers are involved. They still owe players wages from a decade ago..
Citação de: Covenant em 04 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:59
Great start for Aris.
Yes. I am sad to say I have seen the ref helping them non-stop but it seems they will be back in the SL next season - which is a massive boost. They also have beautiful kits this season.
(https://i.snag.gy/dtKHx9.jpg)
(http://www.pressaris.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/fanela.jpg)
AEK have completed excavations today (15 days early thanks to good weather in October) and the first stage of three in total is now completed. All trucks left this morning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anAELleOVck
(https://i.imgur.com/PFIzS20.jpg)
The next stage is the laying down of the foundations and needs a seperate contractor.
When the stadium is completed, it is believed the interior will look very similar to this - the Pepsi Arena in Poland:
https://www.google.se/maps/@52.220478,21.040167,3a,75y,87.81h,88.47t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipMqJ6uMCOQYvhrd7iJ_19Be8jJ3bh3FnSq5Qh0p!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMqJ6uMCOQYvhrd7iJ_19Be8jJ3bh3FnSq5Qh0p%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya117.72162-ro-0-fo100!7i10000!8i5000
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 21:30
Citação de: Calcio em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:54
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:07
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:58
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:11
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
If you read something about that tell us. How he played last games?
He plays the same way. Fairly decent. Nothing special. Gianniotis is the one with talent.
PAO played a couple of their teenagers today. They are getting ready to lose everyone this month. Panionios beat them well.
They're gonna sell the whole team? Who should we pick up? :coolsmiley:
What about the rest of the league? Who sould we and Oly be looking at? :coolsmiley:
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:55
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 21:30
Citação de: Calcio em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:54
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:07
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:58
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:11
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
If you read something about that tell us. How he played last games?
He plays the same way. Fairly decent. Nothing special. Gianniotis is the one with talent.
PAO played a couple of their teenagers today. They are getting ready to lose everyone this month. Panionios beat them well.
They're gonna sell the whole team? Who should we pick up? :coolsmiley:
What about the rest of the league? Who sould we and Oly be looking at? :coolsmiley:
Nothing really stand out besides Gianniotis of Atromitos being easily the best Greek keeper this season. Can't believe Hasi gave him the boot this summer.. ::bater:: Milojevic said in an interview today he is the best keeper in Greece.
Siopis is also one of the best or perhaps the best CM in Greece too. You can't really go wrong with any players from Atromitos or Panionios.. They get the job done.
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 15:28
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:55
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 21:30
Citação de: Calcio em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:54
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:07
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:58
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:11
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
If you read something about that tell us. How he played last games?
He plays the same way. Fairly decent. Nothing special. Gianniotis is the one with talent.
PAO played a couple of their teenagers today. They are getting ready to lose everyone this month. Panionios beat them well.
They're gonna sell the whole team? Who should we pick up? :coolsmiley:
What about the rest of the league? Who sould we and Oly be looking at? :coolsmiley:
Nothing really stand out besides Gianniotis of Atromitos being easily the best Greek keeper this season. Can't believe Hasi gave him the boot this summer.. ::bater:: Milojevic said in an interview today he is the best keeper in Greece.
Siopis is also one of the best or perhaps the best CM in Greece too. You can't really go wrong with any players from Atromitos or Panionios.. They get the job done.
My boy Siopis. Shame you guys cant figure out that he's better than a washed up Gillet.
Citação de: Calcio em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:19
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 15:28
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:55
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 21:30
Citação de: Calcio em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:54
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:07
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:58
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:11
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
If you read something about that tell us. How he played last games?
He plays the same way. Fairly decent. Nothing special. Gianniotis is the one with talent.
PAO played a couple of their teenagers today. They are getting ready to lose everyone this month. Panionios beat them well.
They're gonna sell the whole team? Who should we pick up? :coolsmiley:
What about the rest of the league? Who sould we and Oly be looking at? :coolsmiley:
Nothing really stand out besides Gianniotis of Atromitos being easily the best Greek keeper this season. Can't believe Hasi gave him the boot this summer.. ::bater:: Milojevic said in an interview today he is the best keeper in Greece.
Siopis is also one of the best or perhaps the best CM in Greece too. You can't really go wrong with any players from Atromitos or Panionios.. They get the job done.
My boy Siopis. Shame you guys cant figure out that he's better than a washed up Gillet.
We sold Gianniotis to Atromitos - not even a loan... :crazy2: he is an Iberian style keeper. You know how rare that is for Greece?
It is to do with the fan's impatience and over estimations of 'experienced' players. Greeks have not yet realised that 34 year old players are not the answer. There has been progress with the promotion of players like Koutris, Manolas, Nikolaou, Papa Abou Cisse to the first team etc and also using players like Androutsos.. but we are still far behind the Iberian mindset.
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:13
Citação de: Calcio em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:19
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 15:28
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:55
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 21:30
Citação de: Calcio em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:54
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:07
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:58
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:11
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
If you read something about that tell us. How he played last games?
He plays the same way. Fairly decent. Nothing special. Gianniotis is the one with talent.
PAO played a couple of their teenagers today. They are getting ready to lose everyone this month. Panionios beat them well.
They're gonna sell the whole team? Who should we pick up? :coolsmiley:
What about the rest of the league? Who sould we and Oly be looking at? :coolsmiley:
Nothing really stand out besides Gianniotis of Atromitos being easily the best Greek keeper this season. Can't believe Hasi gave him the boot this summer.. ::bater:: Milojevic said in an interview today he is the best keeper in Greece.
Siopis is also one of the best or perhaps the best CM in Greece too. You can't really go wrong with any players from Atromitos or Panionios.. They get the job done.
My boy Siopis. Shame you guys cant figure out that he's better than a washed up Gillet.
We sold Gianniotis to Atromitos - not even a loan... :crazy2: he is an Iberian style keeper. You know how rare that is for Greece?
It is to do with the fan's impatience and over estimations of 'experienced' players. Greeks have not yet realised that 34 year old players are not the answer. There has been progress with the promotion of players like Koutris, Manolas, Nikolaou, Papa Abou Cisse to the first team etc and also using players like Androutsos.. but we are still far behind the Iberian mindset.
According to Football Manager you have a clause to buy hum back for less than 200k€ :tomates: :tomates:
Citação de: Calcio em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:15
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:13
Citação de: Calcio em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:19
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 15:28
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:55
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 21:30
Citação de: Calcio em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:54
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:07
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:58
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:11
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
If you read something about that tell us. How he played last games?
He plays the same way. Fairly decent. Nothing special. Gianniotis is the one with talent.
PAO played a couple of their teenagers today. They are getting ready to lose everyone this month. Panionios beat them well.
They're gonna sell the whole team? Who should we pick up? :coolsmiley:
What about the rest of the league? Who sould we and Oly be looking at? :coolsmiley:
Nothing really stand out besides Gianniotis of Atromitos being easily the best Greek keeper this season. Can't believe Hasi gave him the boot this summer.. ::bater:: Milojevic said in an interview today he is the best keeper in Greece.
Siopis is also one of the best or perhaps the best CM in Greece too. You can't really go wrong with any players from Atromitos or Panionios.. They get the job done.
My boy Siopis. Shame you guys cant figure out that he's better than a washed up Gillet.
We sold Gianniotis to Atromitos - not even a loan... :crazy2: he is an Iberian style keeper. You know how rare that is for Greece?
It is to do with the fan's impatience and over estimations of 'experienced' players. Greeks have not yet realised that 34 year old players are not the answer. There has been progress with the promotion of players like Koutris, Manolas, Nikolaou, Papa Abou Cisse to the first team etc and also using players like Androutsos.. but we are still far behind the Iberian mindset.
According to Football Manager you have a clause to buy hum back for less than 200k€ :tomates: :tomates:
This could be the case. Problem is not that and Olympiacos are indeed confident of getting him back. Problem is if another club gets involved. The guy is good enough to be Benfica's first keeper and a lot of people are watching him now. Guy has the perfect physical nature to be a very famous keeper.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIyEsyuWsAAZBkW.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:26
Citação de: Calcio em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:15
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:13
Citação de: Calcio em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:19
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 15:28
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:55
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 21:30
Citação de: Calcio em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:54
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:07
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:58
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:11
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
If you read something about that tell us. How he played last games?
He plays the same way. Fairly decent. Nothing special. Gianniotis is the one with talent.
PAO played a couple of their teenagers today. They are getting ready to lose everyone this month. Panionios beat them well.
They're gonna sell the whole team? Who should we pick up? :coolsmiley:
What about the rest of the league? Who sould we and Oly be looking at? :coolsmiley:
Nothing really stand out besides Gianniotis of Atromitos being easily the best Greek keeper this season. Can't believe Hasi gave him the boot this summer.. ::bater:: Milojevic said in an interview today he is the best keeper in Greece.
Siopis is also one of the best or perhaps the best CM in Greece too. You can't really go wrong with any players from Atromitos or Panionios.. They get the job done.
My boy Siopis. Shame you guys cant figure out that he's better than a washed up Gillet.
We sold Gianniotis to Atromitos - not even a loan... :crazy2: he is an Iberian style keeper. You know how rare that is for Greece?
It is to do with the fan's impatience and over estimations of 'experienced' players. Greeks have not yet realised that 34 year old players are not the answer. There has been progress with the promotion of players like Koutris, Manolas, Nikolaou, Papa Abou Cisse to the first team etc and also using players like Androutsos.. but we are still far behind the Iberian mindset.
According to Football Manager you have a clause to buy hum back for less than 200k€ :tomates: :tomates:
This could be the case. Problem is not that and Olympiacos are indeed confident of getting him back. Problem is if another club gets involved. The guy is good enough to be Benfica's first keeper and a lot of people are watching him now. Guy has the perfect physical nature to be a very famous keeper.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIyEsyuWsAAZBkW.jpg)
You probably have dibs on him too. After that it's down to him to choose.
Citação de: Calcio em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:27
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:26
Citação de: Calcio em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:15
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:13
Citação de: Calcio em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:19
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Dezembro de 2017, 15:28
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:55
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 21:30
Citação de: Calcio em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:54
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:07
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:58
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:11
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
If you read something about that tell us. How he played last games?
He plays the same way. Fairly decent. Nothing special. Gianniotis is the one with talent.
PAO played a couple of their teenagers today. They are getting ready to lose everyone this month. Panionios beat them well.
They're gonna sell the whole team? Who should we pick up? :coolsmiley:
What about the rest of the league? Who sould we and Oly be looking at? :coolsmiley:
Nothing really stand out besides Gianniotis of Atromitos being easily the best Greek keeper this season. Can't believe Hasi gave him the boot this summer.. ::bater:: Milojevic said in an interview today he is the best keeper in Greece.
Siopis is also one of the best or perhaps the best CM in Greece too. You can't really go wrong with any players from Atromitos or Panionios.. They get the job done.
My boy Siopis. Shame you guys cant figure out that he's better than a washed up Gillet.
We sold Gianniotis to Atromitos - not even a loan... :crazy2: he is an Iberian style keeper. You know how rare that is for Greece?
It is to do with the fan's impatience and over estimations of 'experienced' players. Greeks have not yet realised that 34 year old players are not the answer. There has been progress with the promotion of players like Koutris, Manolas, Nikolaou, Papa Abou Cisse to the first team etc and also using players like Androutsos.. but we are still far behind the Iberian mindset.
According to Football Manager you have a clause to buy hum back for less than 200k€ :tomates: :tomates:
This could be the case. Problem is not that and Olympiacos are indeed confident of getting him back. Problem is if another club gets involved. The guy is good enough to be Benfica's first keeper and a lot of people are watching him now. Guy has the perfect physical nature to be a very famous keeper.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIyEsyuWsAAZBkW.jpg)
You probably have dibs on him too. After that it's down to him to choose.
I hope that is the case, but again - that is not the problem. Olympiacos have spent virtually no money on him, he has been loaned out since day 1. Here is the problem. Say a team say - 'mm.. we would like him - how much?' And Olympiacos go... 'mmmmm... 10 million!' The other club laughs and goes - '5 million for 50%...' Then I think Olympiacos will go like this: :confused: The problem is we have already got rid of that shit keeper Kapino. So now we are left with the old Proto and Choutesiotis... What we need from either January or the summer is Gianniotas as our starting keeper. The Greek NT needs him too.
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:55
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 21:30
Citação de: Calcio em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 17:54
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 16:07
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:58
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:11
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Dezembro de 2017, 13:21
Vlachodimos in the bench... Why? Something about the transfer?
No idea. However it looks that way. Just hoping Panionios beat them second half.
If you read something about that tell us. How he played last games?
He plays the same way. Fairly decent. Nothing special. Gianniotis is the one with talent.
PAO played a couple of their teenagers today. They are getting ready to lose everyone this month. Panionios beat them well.
They're gonna sell the whole team? Who should we pick up? :coolsmiley:
What about the rest of the league? Who sould we and Oly be looking at? :coolsmiley:
PAOK - 4
PAO - 0
Pelkas (remember him?) played a stunner. His first two goals were another level. Was a super game - good enough to be in one of the two Iberian top leagues. Very high tempo. Pelkas is the type of player who the Greek NT will never start in a game - but nearly every other NT in the planet would.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYa4r7NPPiU
What a fucking goal by Pelkas!
Not sure if someone already asked you that...
But how the greeks feel in general about having Zeca in their national squad? :)
Citação de: cipri_slb em 18 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:18
Not sure if someone already asked you that...
But how the greeks feel in general about having Zeca in their national squad? :)
They have noticed he runs more than the native Greek players (not really an achievement - most Greek NT players walk during games and only attempt to jog if the ball is right in front of them..). I would say most Greeks feel this way:
(https://i.imgur.com/okmxqEx.jpg)
PAO's players are now starting to leave.
1 Greece GK Sokratis Dioudis Meh..
2 Sweden DF Mattias Johansson Rubbish
3 Argentina DF Emanuel Insúa Meh..
4 Greece DF Giorgos Koutroubis Garbage
5 Portugal DF Nuno Reis Average
6 Greece MF Christos Donis (5th-captain) Meh
7 Israel MF Omri Altman Garbage
8 Sweden FW Guillermo Molins (4th-captain) Inconsistent - mostly garbage.
9 Argentina FW Andrés Chávez Garbage
10 France MF Anthony Mounier Garbage.
11 Ecuador FW Bryan Cabezas (on loan from Atalanta) Good.
14 Sweden MF Oscar Hiljemark (on loan from Genoa) Meh..
15 Greece DF Tasos Avlonitis Average..
17 Finland MF Robin Lod Average..
18 Brazil FW Luciano Garbage.
19 Argentina MF Lucas Villafáñez (3rd-captain) Average
21 Greece MF Dimitris Kourbelis (captain) Good player in right environment.
22 Greece MF Fanis Tzandaris Jury out.
23 Sweden DF Niklas Hult Garbage - terrible defender.
26 Greece DF Dimitrios Kolovetsios - Average.
27 Greece GK Konstantinos Kotsaris No idea.
29 Mali MF Yacouba Sylla (on loan from Rennais) No idea.
31 Brazil DF Rodrigo Moledo (vice-captain) Average.
34 Greece MF Paschalis Staikos No idea.
39 Greece MF Anastasios Chatzigiovannis No idea.
41 Greece DF Stefanos Evangelou No idea.
49 Greece FW Sotiris-Pantelis Pispas No idea.
78 Mali DF Ousmane Coulibaly Meh.. always injured too.
99 Germany GK Odisseas Vlachodimos Already said.
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Dezembro de 2017, 00:00
PAO's players are now starting to leave.
1 Greece GK Sokratis Dioudis Meh..
2 Sweden DF Mattias Johansson Rubbish
3 Argentina DF Emanuel Insúa Meh..
4 Greece DF Giorgos Koutroubis Garbage
5 Portugal DF Nuno Reis Average
6 Greece MF Christos Donis (5th-captain) Meh
7 Israel MF Omri Altman Garbage
8 Sweden FW Guillermo Molins (4th-captain) Inconsistent - mostly garbage.
9 Argentina FW Andrés Chávez Garbage
10 France MF Anthony Mounier Garbage.
11 Ecuador FW Bryan Cabezas (on loan from Atalanta) Good.
14 Sweden MF Oscar Hiljemark (on loan from Genoa) Meh..
15 Greece DF Tasos Avlonitis Average..
17 Finland MF Robin Lod Average..
18 Brazil FW Luciano Garbage.
19 Argentina MF Lucas Villafáñez (3rd-captain) Average
21 Greece MF Dimitris Kourbelis (captain) Good player in right environment.
22 Greece MF Fanis Tzandaris Jury out.
23 Sweden DF Niklas Hult Garbage - terrible defender.
26 Greece DF Dimitrios Kolovetsios - Average.
27 Greece GK Konstantinos Kotsaris No idea.
29 Mali MF Yacouba Sylla (on loan from Rennais) No idea.
31 Brazil DF Rodrigo Moledo (vice-captain) Average.
34 Greece MF Paschalis Staikos No idea.
39 Greece MF Anastasios Chatzigiovannis No idea.
41 Greece DF Stefanos Evangelou No idea.
49 Greece FW Sotiris-Pantelis Pispas No idea.
78 Mali DF Ousmane Coulibaly Meh.. always injured too.
99 Germany GK Odisseas Vlachodimos Already said.
And who are they looking to bring in? Will they only bring in youngster from the youth ranks?
Whats their status regarding bankrupcy and demotion?
Citação de: Calcio em 19 de Dezembro de 2017, 00:06
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Dezembro de 2017, 00:00
PAO's players are now starting to leave.
1 Greece GK Sokratis Dioudis Meh..
2 Sweden DF Mattias Johansson Rubbish
3 Argentina DF Emanuel Insúa Meh..
4 Greece DF Giorgos Koutroubis Garbage
5 Portugal DF Nuno Reis Average
6 Greece MF Christos Donis (5th-captain) Meh
7 Israel MF Omri Altman Garbage
8 Sweden FW Guillermo Molins (4th-captain) Inconsistent - mostly garbage.
9 Argentina FW Andrés Chávez Garbage
10 France MF Anthony Mounier Garbage.
11 Ecuador FW Bryan Cabezas (on loan from Atalanta) Good.
14 Sweden MF Oscar Hiljemark (on loan from Genoa) Meh..
15 Greece DF Tasos Avlonitis Average..
17 Finland MF Robin Lod Average..
18 Brazil FW Luciano Garbage.
19 Argentina MF Lucas Villafáñez (3rd-captain) Average
21 Greece MF Dimitris Kourbelis (captain) Good player in right environment.
22 Greece MF Fanis Tzandaris Jury out.
23 Sweden DF Niklas Hult Garbage - terrible defender.
26 Greece DF Dimitrios Kolovetsios - Average.
27 Greece GK Konstantinos Kotsaris No idea.
29 Mali MF Yacouba Sylla (on loan from Rennais) No idea.
31 Brazil DF Rodrigo Moledo (vice-captain) Average.
34 Greece MF Paschalis Staikos No idea.
39 Greece MF Anastasios Chatzigiovannis No idea.
41 Greece DF Stefanos Evangelou No idea.
49 Greece FW Sotiris-Pantelis Pispas No idea.
78 Mali DF Ousmane Coulibaly Meh.. always injured too.
99 Germany GK Odisseas Vlachodimos Already said.
And who are they looking to bring in? Will they only bring in youngster from the youth ranks?
Whats their status regarding bankrupcy and demotion?
Firstly expect to see another 7 leave very soon. Who will they replace them with? Youth players like Pispas, Evangelou, Staikos, Emmanoulidis etc They will basically be playing their youth team. You never see this happen in Greece - will be a curious sight. They have given them all full contracts lately and are already giving them minutes - last game vs Xanthi they started Pispas and gave Donis and Koudouriotis minutes. They have also signed Vangelis Ikonomou today who played for Panionios to become the new starting CB.
Financially they are in big trouble. UEFA somehow decided not to ban them from UEFA competition last week.. ::) Also they have been allowed to make transfers this winter. ::) This week they have court cases that will be heard concerning the non payment of former players who are demanding all their money and have been waiting in some cases years. Tomorrow is the court case for non payments of Rasmus Thelander. Weds the court case for non payment of Wemmer. Thurs court cases for non payment of Toche, Leto and Esien! However these are not the only ones suing right now, there are many more also taking PAO to court - but these players will probably come to court later. PAO will seek to adjourn each case to buy time to start paying them off after the new year when there will be some funds from selling the whole team available. PAO also have not paid their staff and everyone else associated with the team - including those who maintain the pitch etc.
Note 1. Tsipras the PM is a lifelong PAO fan like others in the Govt. He is the one still trying to secure them a brand new stadium even as we speak!
Note 2. I have a feeling - seeing as how beatable PAO are anyway - the minute they start playing their youth players - they will be even more beatable. They are mid way towards the bottom of the table already. There is very little distance between PAO and a team like Levadiakos.. with PAO's youth team making up most the 11.. they are in trouble.
Citação de: Calcio em 19 de Dezembro de 2017, 00:06
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Dezembro de 2017, 00:00
PAO's players are now starting to leave.
1 Greece GK Sokratis Dioudis Meh..
2 Sweden DF Mattias Johansson Rubbish
3 Argentina DF Emanuel Insúa Meh..
4 Greece DF Giorgos Koutroubis Garbage
5 Portugal DF Nuno Reis Average
6 Greece MF Christos Donis (5th-captain) Meh
7 Israel MF Omri Altman Garbage
8 Sweden FW Guillermo Molins (4th-captain) Inconsistent - mostly garbage.
9 Argentina FW Andrés Chávez Garbage
10 France MF Anthony Mounier Garbage.
11 Ecuador FW Bryan Cabezas (on loan from Atalanta) Good.
14 Sweden MF Oscar Hiljemark (on loan from Genoa) Meh..
15 Greece DF Tasos Avlonitis Average..
17 Finland MF Robin Lod Average..
18 Brazil FW Luciano Garbage.
19 Argentina MF Lucas Villafáñez (3rd-captain) Average
21 Greece MF Dimitris Kourbelis (captain) Good player in right environment.
22 Greece MF Fanis Tzandaris Jury out.
23 Sweden DF Niklas Hult Garbage - terrible defender.
26 Greece DF Dimitrios Kolovetsios - Average.
27 Greece GK Konstantinos Kotsaris No idea.
29 Mali MF Yacouba Sylla (on loan from Rennais) No idea.
31 Brazil DF Rodrigo Moledo (vice-captain) Average.
34 Greece MF Paschalis Staikos No idea.
39 Greece MF Anastasios Chatzigiovannis No idea.
41 Greece DF Stefanos Evangelou No idea.
49 Greece FW Sotiris-Pantelis Pispas No idea.
78 Mali DF Ousmane Coulibaly Meh.. always injured too.
99 Germany GK Odisseas Vlachodimos Already said.
And who are they looking to bring in? Will they only bring in youngster from the youth ranks?
Whats their status regarding bankrupcy and demotion?
Cup play offs today.
Lamia 4
PAO 1
:rir: :rir:
They started their strongest side too!! Not yet playing a youth 11!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT_eRPr7p5E
:rir: :rir:
Updated:
1 Greece GK Sokratis Dioudis Meh..
2 Sweden DF Mattias Johansson Rubbish
3 Argentina DF Emanuel Insúa Meh..
4 Greece DF Giorgos Koutroubis Garbage
5 Portugal DF Nuno Reis Average
6 Greece MF Christos Donis (5th-captain) Meh
7 Israel MF Omri Altman Garbage
8 Sweden FW Guillermo Molins (4th-captain) Inconsistent - mostly garbage.
9 Argentina FW Andrés Chávez Garbage
10 France MF Anthony Mounier Garbage.
11 Ecuador FW Bryan Cabezas (on loan from Atalanta) Good.
14 Sweden MF Oscar Hiljemark (on loan from Genoa) Meh..
15 Greece DF Tasos Avlonitis Average..
17 Finland MF Robin Lod Average..
18 Brazil FW Luciano Garbage.
19 Argentina MF Lucas Villafáñez (3rd-captain) Average
21 Greece MF Dimitris Kourbelis (captain) Good player in right environment.
22 Greece MF Fanis Tzandaris Jury out.
23 Sweden DF Niklas Hult Garbage - terrible defender.
26 Greece DF Dimitrios Kolovetsios - Average.
27 Greece GK Konstantinos Kotsaris No idea.
29 Mali MF Yacouba Sylla (on loan from Rennais) No idea.
31 Brazil DF Rodrigo Moledo (vice-captain) Average.
34 Greece MF Paschalis Staikos No idea.
39 Greece MF Anastasios Chatzigiovannis No idea.
41 Greece DF Stefanos Evangelou No idea.
49 Greece FW Sotiris-Pantelis Pispas No idea.
78 Mali DF Ousmane Coulibaly Meh.. always injured too.
99 Germany GK Odisseas Vlachodimos Already said.
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:43
Updated:
1 Greece GK Sokratis Dioudis Meh..
2 Sweden DF Mattias Johansson Rubbish
3 Argentina DF Emanuel Insúa Meh..
4 Greece DF Giorgos Koutroubis Garbage
5 Portugal DF Nuno Reis Average
6 Greece MF Christos Donis (5th-captain) Meh
7 Israel MF Omri Altman Garbage
8 Sweden FW Guillermo Molins (4th-captain) Inconsistent - mostly garbage.
9 Argentina FW Andrés Chávez Garbage
10 France MF Anthony Mounier Garbage.
11 Ecuador FW Bryan Cabezas (on loan from Atalanta) Good.
14 Sweden MF Oscar Hiljemark (on loan from Genoa) Meh..
15 Greece DF Tasos Avlonitis Average..
17 Finland MF Robin Lod Average..
18 Brazil FW Luciano Garbage.
19 Argentina MF Lucas Villafáñez (3rd-captain) Average
21 Greece MF Dimitris Kourbelis (captain) Good player in right environment.
22 Greece MF Fanis Tzandaris Jury out.
23 Sweden DF Niklas Hult Garbage - terrible defender.
26 Greece DF Dimitrios Kolovetsios - Average.
27 Greece GK Konstantinos Kotsaris No idea.
29 Mali MF Yacouba Sylla (on loan from Rennais) No idea.
31 Brazil DF Rodrigo Moledo (vice-captain) Average.
34 Greece MF Paschalis Staikos No idea.
39 Greece MF Anastasios Chatzigiovannis No idea.
41 Greece DF Stefanos Evangelou No idea.
49 Greece FW Sotiris-Pantelis Pispas No idea.
78 Mali DF Ousmane Coulibaly Meh.. always injured too.
99 Germany GK Odisseas Vlachodimos Already said.
Has Oly tried to pick one of their players yet?
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Dezembro de 2017, 15:25
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Dezembro de 2017, 14:43
Updated:
1 Greece GK Sokratis Dioudis Meh..
2 Sweden DF Mattias Johansson Rubbish
3 Argentina DF Emanuel Insúa Meh..
4 Greece DF Giorgos Koutroubis Garbage
5 Portugal DF Nuno Reis Average
6 Greece MF Christos Donis (5th-captain) Meh
7 Israel MF Omri Altman Garbage
8 Sweden FW Guillermo Molins (4th-captain) Inconsistent - mostly garbage.
9 Argentina FW Andrés Chávez Garbage
10 France MF Anthony Mounier Garbage.
11 Ecuador FW Bryan Cabezas (on loan from Atalanta) Good.
14 Sweden MF Oscar Hiljemark (on loan from Genoa) Meh..
15 Greece DF Tasos Avlonitis Average..
17 Finland MF Robin Lod Average..
18 Brazil FW Luciano Garbage.
19 Argentina MF Lucas Villafáñez (3rd-captain) Average
21 Greece MF Dimitris Kourbelis (captain) Good player in right environment.
22 Greece MF Fanis Tzandaris Jury out.
23 Sweden DF Niklas Hult Garbage - terrible defender.
26 Greece DF Dimitrios Kolovetsios - Average.
27 Greece GK Konstantinos Kotsaris No idea.
29 Mali MF Yacouba Sylla (on loan from Rennais) No idea.
31 Brazil DF Rodrigo Moledo (vice-captain) Average.
34 Greece MF Paschalis Staikos No idea.
39 Greece MF Anastasios Chatzigiovannis No idea.
41 Greece DF Stefanos Evangelou No idea.
49 Greece FW Sotiris-Pantelis Pispas No idea.
78 Mali DF Ousmane Coulibaly Meh.. always injured too.
99 Germany GK Odisseas Vlachodimos Already said.
Has Oly tried to pick one of their players yet?
If there was anyone decent we would have tried.. They are having trouble finding buyers for their players... They assumed everyone would want them..
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Novembro de 2017, 14:29
The Portuguese are not stupid people. That is obvious. They work out how to move forward.
There is a spark there. When I meet a Greek who is smart - I feel like adopting them - they are so rare. How they have intellectually survived everything around them is fascinating.
Greeks are regressive for the most part. Self saboteurs. The Greeks of the revolution in the 1820s are a minority.
I am fucking tired of Greek NT football. The fucking Syriza Sports Minister came out today and said Skibbe has to stay as coach and was just 'unlucky.' ::bater:: ::bater:: ::bater:: ::bater:: ::bater::
Greeks threw away everything that was achieved in 2004. We actually bizarrely and quite ingeniously managed to undo every single positive. Said it enough on here. Greece is a beautiful country - seriously - the land is blessed. Naturally gorgeous place. The people? As Kazantzakis said - Greece needs to be lifted up - brush all the people into the see and start again.
No, we can be worse than albanians. More stupid for sure.
This happened just this week: An old fuck that was raped by his bf hours ago gets interviewed on live public tv (in the morning for the kids to watch) and says he didn't enjoy being raped though he enjoys being fucked and then goes on to talk about how his bf forced him to wear a leash and a collar and how he had sex with countless other man in the "beaches and woods" in his youth.
Months ago, you might have heard of this one, Ronaldo threw a microphone of an annoying reporter into a lake. That TV channel later on made a live emission to show how the microphone was rescued. They even hired professional divers to perform the task who were also interviewed.
But people here seem to love this circus. This stupidity plagues all the country, people are overall mediocre, envious of their neighbour and absolutely adore to badmouth all the time, just annoying af. You criticize Greek people for the leftist tendency and the inability to know the best for themselves but we're also not so different on that.
A town's mayor was arrested 1 year (was initially 7, then 2...) for fiscal crimes and money laundry, and when he got out of jail he submitted his candidature for mayor in the same town again. Guess who was elected?
Sorry for the incoherent rant and the OT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X30liGNGU1k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA8__3zFQ4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-fRVW6O-gc
Citação de: Arceus_17 em 28 de Dezembro de 2017, 02:50
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Novembro de 2017, 14:29
The Portuguese are not stupid people. That is obvious. They work out how to move forward.
There is a spark there. When I meet a Greek who is smart - I feel like adopting them - they are so rare. How they have intellectually survived everything around them is fascinating.
Greeks are regressive for the most part. Self saboteurs. The Greeks of the revolution in the 1820s are a minority.
I am fucking tired of Greek NT football. The fucking Syriza Sports Minister came out today and said Skibbe has to stay as coach and was just 'unlucky.' ::bater:: ::bater:: ::bater:: ::bater:: ::bater::
Greeks threw away everything that was achieved in 2004. We actually bizarrely and quite ingeniously managed to undo every single positive. Said it enough on here. Greece is a beautiful country - seriously - the land is blessed. Naturally gorgeous place. The people? As Kazantzakis said - Greece needs to be lifted up - brush all the people into the see and start again.
No, we can be worse than albanians. More stupid for sure.
This happened just this week: An old fuck that was raped by his bf hours ago gets interviewed on live public tv (in the morning for the kids to watch) and says he didn't enjoy being raped though he enjoys being fucked and then goes on to talk about how his bf forced him to wear a leash and a collar and how he had sex with countless other man in the "beaches and woods" in his youth.
Months ago, you might have heard of this one, Ronaldo threw a microphone of an annoying reporter into a lake. That TV channel later on made a live emission to show how the microphone was rescued. They even hired professional divers to perform the task who were also interviewed.
But people here seem to love this circus. This stupidity plagues all the country, people are overall mediocre, envious of their neighbour and absolutely adore to badmouth all the time, just annoying af. You criticize Greek people for the leftist tendency and the inability to know the best for themselves but we're also not so different on that.
A town's mayor was arrested 1 year (was initially 7, then 2...) for fiscal crimes and money laundry, and when he got out of jail he submitted his candidature for mayor in the same town again. Guess who was elected?
Sorry for the incoherent rant and the OT.
I see the problem. For me Greece is still another level. There are Greeks who live to make sure Greece as a country no longer exists. It would be the equivalent of a massive group of Portuguese leftists saying Portugal does not exist and is a fabrication and needs to join with Spain.
Also this stuff happens daily and no one cares..
https://munchies.vice.com/en_us/article/8xvgwp/greek-anarchists-say-theyre-injecting-groceries-with-toxic-acid
AEK sign Masoud and Moran to replace long term injured players Johansson and Mantalos.
(http://www.sport24.gr/viral/article5011200.ece/BINARY/w620/moran2.jpg)
(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/560195f3e4b0fcc5265b7b78/562b0f76e4b0b7066cf45af6/5a4564b48165f5590325de8c/1514497785502/DSI4-JDWsAAs4F6.jpg-large.jpg?format=1000w)
Masoud is a good player with experience. The spanish, I don't know...
https://www.google.pt/amp/s/www.record.pt/internacional/paises/inglaterra/detalhe/AMP/mavropanos-o-nome-que-incendiou-a-internet-e-tirou-adeptos-do-arsenal-do-serio.html
Opinion?
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Janeiro de 2018, 15:36
https://www.google.pt/amp/s/www.record.pt/internacional/paises/inglaterra/detalhe/AMP/mavropanos-o-nome-que-incendiou-a-internet-e-tirou-adeptos-do-arsenal-do-serio.html
Opinion?
Didn't even know who he is until today. There are quite a few like him Greece - probably faster than this guy too - at the same age. I think because Greeks are fairly robust physically, we produce a lot of these types of defenders. It seems CBs and Wing Backs are Greece's biggest football export.
BTW PAO fans are angry at this transfer. They are annoyed that this kid gets 2 million and they can't get anything near 500,000 for Moledo.. ::bater::
Nothing to do with Hellas futebol..but since we were discussing nation's mentality...I have to say that this man, Mikis Theodorakis is an intelligent and honourable Greek. My deepest respect and gratitude to him. :bow2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oezuFoT4-yA
Citação de: StellaRojas em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 11:30
Nothing to do with Hellas futebol..but since we were discussing nation's mentality...I have to say that this man, Mikis Theodorakis is an intelligent and honourable Greek. My deepest respect and gratitude to him. :bow2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oezuFoT4-yA
He speaks for millions of Greeks in that video.
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 13:09
Citação de: StellaRojas em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 11:30
Nothing to do with Hellas futebol..but since we were discussing nation's mentality...I have to say that this man, Mikis Theodorakis is an intelligent and honourable Greek. My deepest respect and gratitude to him. :bow2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oezuFoT4-yA
He speaks for millions of Greeks in that video.
Yes, of course, gratitude to everyone who came and everyone who felt the same. But Mikis is among my favorite movie composers and I never knew about this video. And, God, I'm now tempted to learn Greek after Portuguese! :estrelas: If Milojevic could do it so can I! ^-^
I did not know about his leftist leanings and political involevement, but I appreciate him for his music and this support. Even though I do not adhere to most of his political views. He is from Hios and yet advocates better Greece-Turkey relations. Curious
Citação de: StellaRojas em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 13:30
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 13:09
Citação de: StellaRojas em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 11:30
Nothing to do with Hellas futebol..but since we were discussing nation's mentality...I have to say that this man, Mikis Theodorakis is an intelligent and honourable Greek. My deepest respect and gratitude to him. :bow2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oezuFoT4-yA
He speaks for millions of Greeks in that video.
Yes, of course, gratitude to everyone who came and everyone who felt the same. But Mikis is among my favorite movie composers and I never knew about this video. And, God, I'm now tempted to learn Greek after Portuguese! :estrelas: If Milojevic could do it so can I! ^-^
I did not know about his leftist leanings and political involevement, but I appreciate him for his music and this support. Even though I do not adhere to most of his political views. He is from Hios and yet advocates better Greece-Turkey relations. Curious
He is a hard leftist, but also fairly patriotic. Quite a rare combination for an artist in Greece. Greek is easy to learn in the main.. once you get the alphabet - the verbs and everything else is very simple. Greeks also speak in a very logical and basic way.
Made me laugh that last year Notis Sfakianakis admitted he liked Golden Dawn and all of Greece had a mental breakdown. Nice guy though, very talented too..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUaGCzCOZ6E
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 20:11
Citação de: StellaRojas em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 13:30
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 13:09
Citação de: StellaRojas em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 11:30
Nothing to do with Hellas futebol..but since we were discussing nation's mentality...I have to say that this man, Mikis Theodorakis is an intelligent and honourable Greek. My deepest respect and gratitude to him. :bow2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oezuFoT4-yA
He speaks for millions of Greeks in that video.
Yes, of course, gratitude to everyone who came and everyone who felt the same. But Mikis is among my favorite movie composers and I never knew about this video. And, God, I'm now tempted to learn Greek after Portuguese! :estrelas: If Milojevic could do it so can I! ^-^
I did not know about his leftist leanings and political involevement, but I appreciate him for his music and this support. Even though I do not adhere to most of his political views. He is from Hios and yet advocates better Greece-Turkey relations. Curious
He is a hard leftist, but also fairly patriotic. Quite a rare combination for an artist in Greece. Greek is easy to learn in the main.. once you get the alphabet - the verbs and everything else is very simple. Greeks also speak in a very logical and basic way.
Made me laugh that last year Notis Sfakianakis admitted he liked Golden Dawn and all of Greece had a mental breakdown. Nice guy though, very talented too..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUaGCzCOZ6E
BTW my Portuguese friends - this song has exceptionally beautiful lyrics. Was written by this man:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Giorgos_Alkaios_03.jpg/800px-Giorgos_Alkaios_03.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgos_Alkaios
From the article:
CitaçãoGiorgos Alkaios was born in Athens to Greek and Portuguese parents.[2] He is the son of Yiannis Vasileiou, a successful Greek elafro-laiko singer. His mother, Maria (Rodrigues) Griggs lives in Pembroke, Maine after moving from the Boston Area. Immediately after his birth, Alkaios moved to Boston, where he lived for three years.[2] Shortly after his parents divorced, he moved back to Greece with his father at age three.
Lyrics to the song:
http://lyricstranslate.com/en/opa-opa-opa-opa.html-6#ixzz53RHho9rb
From among your loose hair
Your glance hurts me so much
You say you decided to leave
You want to avoid the past
However stop, wait a bit
Get back and don't look ahead of you
Stop, wait a little bit
I want to tell you something
And after that - good-bye.
Opa, opa, opa, opa
I love you, even though I haven't said it
Opa, opa, opa, opa
Even though we're not like before
Now you're turning your back on me
You think it will be easy for you to leave
You took the wrong path again
You should know that it will take you nowhere
However stop, wait a bit
Get back and don't look ahead of you
Stop, wait a little bit
I want to tell you something
And after that - good-bye.
Opa, opa, opa, opa
I love you, even though I haven't said it
Opa, opa, opa, opa
Even though we're not like before
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 20:11
Citação de: StellaRojas em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 13:30
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 13:09
Citação de: StellaRojas em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 11:30
Nothing to do with Hellas futebol..but since we were discussing nation's mentality...I have to say that this man, Mikis Theodorakis is an intelligent and honourable Greek. My deepest respect and gratitude to him. :bow2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oezuFoT4-yA
He speaks for millions of Greeks in that video.
Yes, of course, gratitude to everyone who came and everyone who felt the same. But Mikis is among my favorite movie composers and I never knew about this video. And, God, I'm now tempted to learn Greek after Portuguese! :estrelas: If Milojevic could do it so can I! ^-^
I did not know about his leftist leanings and political involevement, but I appreciate him for his music and this support. Even though I do not adhere to most of his political views. He is from Hios and yet advocates better Greece-Turkey relations. Curious
He is a hard leftist, but also fairly patriotic. Quite a rare combination for an artist in Greece. Greek is easy to learn in the main.. once you get the alphabet - the verbs and everything else is very simple. Greeks also speak in a very logical and basic way.
Made me laugh that last year Notis Sfakianakis admitted he liked Golden Dawn and all of Greece had a mental breakdown. Nice guy though, very talented too..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUaGCzCOZ6E
These " unusual" combinations of beliefs are not so uncommon. I knew the assistant professor who is a gay and a nationalist.
I already know Greek alphabet, but nothing else, except for some common phrases, the vocabulary is not so familiar...some words are quite long and spelling is not phonetic, unlike Serbian.
I opened the video, waiting to find out which of our singers/ bands stole the song (probably with some compensation), and sure enough:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt3I8aEyHkc
There are many, many more examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_87Ai7L-tA ( Pali Monos Mou Milao)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSAorMWo3RU ( Epimeno)
They only change the lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfqOrMlwOjs
My favorite that year. :metal:
Citação de: StellaRojas em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 20:47
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 20:11
Citação de: StellaRojas em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 13:30
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 13:09
Citação de: StellaRojas em 06 de Janeiro de 2018, 11:30
Nothing to do with Hellas futebol..but since we were discussing nation's mentality...I have to say that this man, Mikis Theodorakis is an intelligent and honourable Greek. My deepest respect and gratitude to him. :bow2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oezuFoT4-yA
He speaks for millions of Greeks in that video.
Yes, of course, gratitude to everyone who came and everyone who felt the same. But Mikis is among my favorite movie composers and I never knew about this video. And, God, I'm now tempted to learn Greek after Portuguese! :estrelas: If Milojevic could do it so can I! ^-^
I did not know about his leftist leanings and political involevement, but I appreciate him for his music and this support. Even though I do not adhere to most of his political views. He is from Hios and yet advocates better Greece-Turkey relations. Curious
He is a hard leftist, but also fairly patriotic. Quite a rare combination for an artist in Greece. Greek is easy to learn in the main.. once you get the alphabet - the verbs and everything else is very simple. Greeks also speak in a very logical and basic way.
Made me laugh that last year Notis Sfakianakis admitted he liked Golden Dawn and all of Greece had a mental breakdown. Nice guy though, very talented too..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUaGCzCOZ6E
These " unusual" combinations of beliefs are not so uncommon. I knew the assistant professor who is a gay and a nationalist.
I already know Greek alphabet, but nothing else, except for some common phrases, the vocabulary is not so familiar...some words are quite long and spelling is not phonetic, unlike Serbian.
The Gay nationalist thing is also quite common, especially in northern europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Yiannopoulos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Murray_(author)
As for Greek - it is phonetic - you just have to learn 4 or 5 diphthongs.
(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/96/89/a0/9689a0226e9f1338f0bcff0ec2a99593--voynich-manuscript-special-letters.jpg)
For example our football stadium named after the famous Greek war of independence fighter:
Καραϊσκάκης (gr)
Karaiskakis (en)
Pronounced in Greek - Kareskykis. Why? Because the 'ai' found everywhere in Greek = the 'e' sound. The final ά is used to link the previous diphthong - so the a is weak. However as i am typing this I realise I am using a really over complex example. :rir: :rir:
A better example is to show you the extraordinary simplicity of the verbs.
Verb to want - Thelo (infinitive)
I want = Thelo
You want = Thelis
She wants = Theli
We want = Theloume
You want = Thelete
They want = Theloun
Easy. Future? Exceptionally easy:
I will want = Tha theliso
You will want = Tha thelisis
She will wants = Tha thelisi
We will want = Tha thelisoume
You will want = Tha thelisite
They will want = Tha Thelisoun
Past?
I want = Thelisa
You want = Thelises
She wants = Thelise
We want = Thelisame
You want = Thelisate
They want = Thelisa
Most verbs decline the same.
:smokin:
Thanks a lot Faliro! :drunk:
Well, it could be less difficult than my friend who has been learning it portrays it to be. I will give it s try.
I knew about others...but this Milo has a conundrum of mutually excluding ideas, which makes one wonder whether he truly adheres to some of them.
(http://crvenazvezdafk.com/thumbs/upload/News/Image/2018_01//540x_540-milojee-62.jpg)
:bow2:
Oly won easily vs Xanthi. We look better each game. AEK dropped points in Larissa. PAOK still one point behind us.
Massive massive game on weds - the first leg of the Cup Quarter Final.
Olympiacos vs AEK. 17.30
Thoughts on Garcia?
Citação de: Covenant em 21 de Janeiro de 2018, 23:40
Thoughts on Garcia?
He was grabbing the olympiacos badge today and clapping the fans in the stadium. He may have fallen in love like Valverde and Michel did. I like the catalan.
Faliro, you probably have addressed this point before, but this thread is massive and I'm too lazy to backtrack so let me ask you something:
How do you, and Greeks in general, view the Byzantine Empire part of Greek history? And Justinian and Theodora?
I'm asking this because I've been playing Civ V and Theodora is the leader of Byzantium:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T-t1k4qf2U
Back when Haggia Sophia didn't have minarets...
Citação de: Festivus em 22 de Janeiro de 2018, 06:09
Faliro, you probably have addressed this point before, but this thread is massive and I'm too lazy to backtrack so let me ask you something:
How do you, and Greeks in general, view the Byzantine Empire part of Greek history? And Justinian and Theodora?
I'm asking this because I've been playing Civ V and Theodora is the leader of Byzantium:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T-t1k4qf2U
Back when Haggia Sophia didn't have minarets...
It is interesting you mention this, because just the other day I was discussing this topic with my wife. Not Justinian and Theodora specifically but the Byzantium Empire (which was actually called Romania at the time - Byzantium was a German name for the Empire created after the Empire had already fallen). What we were discussing is that when the Greeks finally won their freedom from the Ottoman Turks in the 1830s after 400 years of pain and suffering under the Sunni yoke - the Greeks suddenly had to decide what their new nation would look like. A few stated the strongest theme is that of Christian Byzantium and the new nation should use Byzantium as its cornerstone. After all it was the Church that had helped preserve Greeks as a people. However many others stated the classical age should be the blueprint for the new nation - and more specifically 5th Century Athens. The latter idea won out and Greeks started naming their children names like Pericles and Achilles and the capital was moved from the Peloponnese (the first area freed) to Athens. All the new streets in Athens were given names like -Sofokleous, Sokratous, Ippokratous etc - they still bear those names. Streets like this were built:
(https://www.gtp.gr/MGfiles/travel/image32821%5B9048%5D.jpg)
Now in answer to your question. Personally I have interest in the Byzantine Empire - the period was fascinating - however I think the era damaged the Greeks massively and I strongly agree with Byzantine historical figures like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemistus_Pletho who wished to return the Greeks to the worship of the Olympian Gods. The Byzantines unravelled almost everything the Ancient Greeks created - all in the name of Christianity. Also the minute the Byzantines passed ridiculous legislation - like turning central Anatolia into a rabbit hunting area - they were never able to build armies large enough to defend themselves and the Empire fell very slowly as a result. Byzantium is the collapse of a massive Empire in slow motion - it lasted twice as long as the Roman Empire. However losing the 'Greek fire' technology due to over compartmentalisation.. ;D and other idiotic occurrences.. the Empire was always going to end badly.
Greeks in general are fairly interested in Byzantium but not overly so in general. There are many experts on the period and many Greeks who feel it was the most important epoch. The reason this is - is because they feel - like most Greeks, that the church is what kept Greeks in existence under the Turks - in a similar way that many Greeks think because the communists in Greece were those most actively against the Nazi occupation of Greece - they should be rewarded eternally. So to sum up - there is interest but not overtly. Greeks in general are not as interested as they should be in their past imo. The Greeks who built the modern Greek nation in the 1830s are no longer in charge of the country. There are around 50 Turkish soap operas on during day time TV, many Greeks and even the Greek Government think the idea of borders is stupid. Leftism is rampant. Many Greek academics who are the descendants of communists publish papers every year saying that the Greek 'race' and nation is a fabrication and Greeks are simply 'Turkish Christians.' Hellenic culture is dying very fast. It could survive the Persians, Romans, Goths, Turks, Slavs, Nazis and every single invader - however the country could not survive communist thought that teaches there is no such thing as 'Greek' culture. Greek universities are saturated with far leftists and most Greeks leave thinking historical patriotism is a fascist ideal.
Really? talk about good timing. :tonge:
Didn't know turks exported tons of soap operas. I know arabs like their soaps but had no idea turks did as well.
You kinda forget at times that large parts of the Greek empire used to be in what today is Turkey. Although I believe there are considerable genetic differences between Greeks and Turks in general? Must be because lots of Turks are descendants of Asians. Turkish people as an ethnicity are hard to define really. You have all sorts of turks, from White ones to obviously Asian-like ones and Arab-like ones.
Speaking of Byzanthium... Hagia Sophia used to look different. For one thing, it wasn't muslim, thus had no minarets. Ever been to Turkey btw?
Greeks aren't that interested in the past really? That is surprising considering Greece's golden age is long gone. I mean, that's literally what makes people remember Greece these days still. Its past. Modern day Greece is hardly an influential country on a global scale. Before the crisis I never really heard about Greece on the news. So if it's not for their past, what else do Greeks have left to romantize about their nation and heritage? :confused:
Tbh history is full of once great nations/regions that have pretty much fallen fallen into irrelevance. Lithuania, Mongolia, Babylon(now Iraq basically), etc.
As for politics and leftism... well I dunno really much about that, really. So I don't really have much to add to it. As for Greek culture dying and such... well I think that is one of the major negatives of globalisation. While globalisation has helped bring a lot of people from all over the world closer, it has also slowly been making the world more homogeneous culturally and socially wise. For example, I really dislike how pervasive American pop culture can be to the point that people in Europe, Australia, etc. try to import concepts and things from the American context and think it can apply well to their countries.
That being said, I don't really have an issue with importing influences from other cultures and such, but this isn't the 19th century anymore where it was much less pervasive. USA is too powerful when it comes to their pop culture and can influence people's thoughts easily through Hollywood. Someone said in the Politica Internacional thread once that Hollywood has really distorted people's view of history, which is true. If I used Hollywood as my history textbook I'd think that Americans were the main reason the Nazis lost WW2, for example.
I remember a year or two ago me and many others had pretty much an all night discussion about the 80s and the 90s in the Competições Nacionais thread and a few users were basically saying that it feels like the world has become more boring and less unique/authentic in the past 10-15 years. By this they meant that until the 21st century it seemed like everything had its own identity(music, fashion, etc) while nowadays everything seems to be more homogenised. Perhaps that was mostly the "back in my day!" nostalgia talking but I can see that point. When it comes to music, this American guy told me once that mainstream music in USA became more generic after the Clinton administration nationalised radio stations or something like that.
Food for thought.
Citação de: Festivus em 22 de Janeiro de 2018, 12:34
Really? talk about good timing. :tonge:
Didn't know turks exported tons of soap operas. I know arabs like their soaps but had no idea turks did as well.
Yes Turkish soaps are exported on a an industrial scale into the Balkans.
CitaçãoYou kinda forget at times that large parts of the Greek empire used to be in what today is Turkey.
Well Anatolia was Hittite, then Greek from around 1200BC, then Greek but controlled by the Romans - then Byzantine - then finally Ottoman. The Ottomans were originally from China and travelled across Eurasia to get to Anatolia. I don't see the why any of that means Greeks should be force fed Turkish soaps all day long - in Turkish. :)
CitaçãoAlthough I believe there are considerable genetic differences between Greeks and Turks in general? Must be because lots of Turks are descendants of Asians. Turkish people as an ethnicity are hard to define really. You have all sorts of turks, from White ones to obviously Asian-like ones and Arab-like ones.
Turks are mishmash of Middle Eastern - a little Far Eastern (where they came from over 1400 years ago) - they also have plenty of Greek and Armenian DNA with traces of slav and other assortments. Greeks however are very homogeneous genetically and plot closest to Southern Italians. Many Apulians in turn score over 80% Greek for example.
CitaçãoSpeaking of Byzanthium... Hagia Sophia used to look different. For one thing, it wasn't muslim, thus had no minarets. Ever been to Turkey btw?
I went there when I was 3. My mother decided to tell everyone she met she was a Greek..(http://sedra.eu/Smileys/fantasticsmileys/facepalm.gif)
CitaçãoGreeks aren't that interested in the past really? That is surprising considering Greece's golden age is long gone. I mean, that's literally what makes people remember Greece these days still. Its past. Modern day Greece is hardly an influential country on a global scale. Before the crisis I never really heard about Greece on the news. So if it's not for their past, what else do Greeks have left to romantize about their nation and heritage? :confused:
I would say around half - a critical mass - of Greeks are either communists or leftists. They are more likely to apologise for Turks, compare Alexander the Great to Hitler or talk about how capitalism has destroyed their country than give two shits about how Xenophon survived his expedition into Persia for example. :rir: The right wng Greeks are very proud of the ancients - they are all that is left of the Greek people in reality. It is also interesting to note that the Greek communists in the civil war wished to remove Greece as an independent entity and join Greece with soviet Russia. They recruited many slavs into their army for that very reason. Many of these communist Greeks have very ambiguous surnames which suggests they were originally slavs who were converted to orthodoxy by the Byzantines.
CitaçãoTbh history is full of once great nations/regions that have pretty much fallen fallen into irrelevance. Lithuania, Mongolia, Babylon(now Iraq basically), etc.
True - but put it like this. When people think of Western Civilisation - a lot of the time they wonder off into Mozart, Dickens and Jesus's teachings - Europe's Judaeo-Christian heritage/values. This is because we allowed the Abrahamic desert religions of the Chrismusjews to dominate the West..
I always saw the foundation stones of Western Civilisation as inspired by Pagan Ancient Greece. Getting smashed on wine - and worshipping the right to get smashed - even having a God of wine who was one of the 12 Olympians...attending festivals 24/7 (festivals of music/ dancing/ theatre/ etc)... going out to the movies..(Ancient Greek Theatre)... worshipping sport (Olympics, endless sporting competitions - every town had 100s of gyms) and worshipping beauty (ancient Greeks even had beauty contests..) and then at the end of it getting vote on what you think the direction of the country should be.. The Christians were - and still are horrified of ancient Greece and ancient Rome - however - the core soul of a European - for the most part - is still in 5th Century Athens. Work, pleasure - the worship of technology and as much intellectualism as you can handle. I think this trumps anything anyone else has given to the West.
CitaçãoAs for politics and leftism... well I dunno really much about that, really. So I don't really have much to add to it. As for Greek culture dying and such... well I think that is one of the major negatives of globalisation. While globalisation has helped bring a lot of people from all over the world closer, it has also slowly been making the world more homogeneous culturally and socially wise. For example, I really dislike how pervasive American pop culture can be to the point that people in Europe, Australia, etc. try to import concepts and things from the American context and think it can apply well to their countries.
Globalism is a leftist principle. However - you can make it very simple for yourself. Anything to do with removing individual culture - thus creating identity politics - is of the left. Anything worshipping or encouraging the differences between cultures is associated with the right. The problem with Greece is there is no middle. There is the left and the right. There are no centrist parties. So everything is polarised.
CitaçãoThat being said, I don't really have an issue with importing influences from other cultures and such, but this isn't the 19th century anymore where it was much less pervasive. USA is too powerful when it comes to their pop culture and can influence people's thoughts easily through Hollywood. Someone said in the Politica Internacional thread once that Hollywood has really distorted people's view of history, which is true. If I used Hollywood as my history textbook I'd think that Americans were the main reason the Nazis lost WW2, for example.
Well Hollywood is a Judaeo-Christian culture industry. All the Abrahamic principles are extolled. Have many kids, the bad guy is usually sexual and associated with temptation (like the devil) - the good character is morally just according to the Ten Commandments. There has to be sacrifice usually etc. Of course history gets distorted as everything has to be processed through this indoctrination.
CitaçãoI remember a year or two ago me and many others had pretty much an all night discussion about the 80s and the 90s in the Competições Nacionais thread and a few users were basically saying that it feels like the world has become more boring and less unique/authentic in the past 10-15 years. By this they meant that until the 21st century it seemed like everything had its own identity(music, fashion, etc) while nowadays everything seems to be more homogenised. Perhaps that was mostly the "back in my day!" nostalgia talking but I can see that point. When it comes to music, this American guy told me once that mainstream music in USA became more generic after the Clinton administration nationalised radio stations or something like that.
Food for thought.
Well it is globalisation as you said. What was sexy about Europe for me was the differences. You cross a border and there is a new language, a new way of doing things - difference beliefs, cuisine etc. What is happening thanks to the EU (a massively backed organisation in the med btw) is that we are becoming more like the USA. Greece and Italy are simply states that have given up control of their courts, currency and future - voluntarily! Remember - It was Greeks who destroyed Delphi under command of the Emperor Theodosius. Every last foundation stone was uprooted. In the same way the Europeans have sold their souls to the EU. I kind of like that in a way - because the minute a European dares to blame someone else for whatever their problems may be - you can instantly remind them - they voluntarily joined the EU - an organisation based in Northern Europe with a deeply globalist agenda.
It may help you to read Marx's Communist Manifesto and perhaps some Adorno on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_industry. Adorno blames the culture industry on capitalism - of course. However - the roots of indoctrinating people to be identical are heavily found in the left - not the right as I explained above.
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Janeiro de 2018, 13:31
. . .I always saw the foundation stones of Western Civilisation as inspired by Pagan Ancient Greece. Getting smashed on wine - and worshipping the right to get smashed - even having a God of wine who was one of the 12 Olympians...attending festivals 24/7 (festivals of music/ dancing/ theatre/ etc)... going out to the movies..(Ancient Greek Theatre)... worshipping sport (Olympics, endless sporting competitions - every town had 100s of gyms) and worshipping beauty (ancient Greeks even had beauty contests..) and then at the end of it getting vote on what you think the direction of the country should be.. The Christians were - and still are horrified of ancient Greece and ancient Rome - however - the core soul of a European - for the most part - is still in 5th Century Athens. Work, pleasure - the worship of technology and as much intellectualism as you can handle. I think this trumps anything anyone else has given to the West . . .
i fully agree with this part.
With all respect Faliro, I tend to disagree with your negative assessment of the legacy of the Eastern Roman Empire ( Byzantine Empire, Romania) and this opinion that it undermined the importance of the Hellenic culture. On the contrary, it was the bridge through which the Western civilization became " infected" with the Hellenic culture ( it was only in the 12th and the 13th century that the West became acquainted with the works of Aristotle. In the 15th century, out of 4.000 books in the Library of Vatican, 1000 were in Greek language). The Byzantine Empire was a unique blend of the Roman system of government, Hellenic culture and Orthodox Christianity. That is why we are taught nowadays that three cornerstones of the European civilization are: Ancient Greek culture, Roman Law and Christianity. For one thing, Iustinianus' " Corpus Iuris Civilis" is the cornerstone of modern Western legal systems and Greece itself used the Byzantine Civil Code all the way until 1945.
Among some Serbs too, there is a degree of nostalgia about " ancient religion", Perun the God of thunder and getting smashed on mead in our case ( yes, we also had it! ). Of course, Greek mythology was a lot more elaborate but still, there was nothing spiritual about it or anything that could be considered original Greek contribution to the Western civilization. After all, indulging carnal desires without limits is something universally human. In our ( Serbian) case, these aspects of ancient religion live on even in Christianity, through our tradition of slava ( patron saint) or the badnjak ( a tree placed on the fire on the Christmas Eve). This transformation was an easy one, because these ancient religions were purely ceremonial in their nature and not doctrinal, so nothing was taken away from them. In my opinion, monotheism responds to the higher level in human development, that is why it could not come into existence early on. Of course, there is this element of Jewish messianism, but Christianity is not the uniquely Jewish teaching. I'm sure that you are aware that its philosophical foundation is largely borrowed from Plato and also, each nation that adopted Christianity ended up giving it its own footprint. Not to mention the importance of Christianity for building family values and ties, something not so present in the ancient culture.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 22 de Janeiro de 2018, 17:59
This transformation was an easy one, because these ancient religions were purely ceremonial in their nature and not doctrinal, so nothing was taken away from them.
I disagree strongly on this point. If you take for example the Ancient Greek's love of sport and contest. There has been no other record of any peoples who worshipped sport to the same extreme degree as the Ancient Greeks. Even the Greek calendar was calculated from the dates of Olympic Games across the Greek world. So why were Greeks so infatuated with sport? Simply - the games were a religious festival to Zeus. All the Olympic games across the Greek world were dedicated to Zeus. The champions were honoured and it was believed the Gods would look down beneficially among them. The religious festivals of all sports in Greece were born out of the religion itself. You see the Greeks were the total opposite to christians. Christians believe the flesh is sinful and the soul needs nourishment alone. The Ancient Greeks believed both the body and soul needed nourishment - hence their favourite saying - healthy body - healthy mind. They worshipped the gym because of its association with Heracles. They believed the better the body looked - the more favour they would receive from the Gods. Bravery and ingenuity were also worshipped. So the whole sporting movement and the greek's obsession with sport and physical brilliance is pagan based and is as far from Christianity as humanly possible. Also - the ancient Greek religion worshipped technological advancement - whereas Christianity is always worried you will offend the Jewish God by going beyond his own work. Greeks on the other hand had a God of technology - Hephaestus!
CitaçãoNot to mention the importance of Christianity for building family values and ties, something not so present in the ancient culture.
Family values and ties were exceptionally important in the ancient world. They were so important that simply because Xenophon's son died fighting for Athens - he was forgiven and his exile annulled. That is because the father, the wife, the son and the daughter - all their honour was connected. What was even more beautiful is that in the ancient times, people would often adopt children that were not their own and bestow upon them everything a biological son/ daughter would have. This enormity of generosity brings us onto another Christian piece of propaganda - that their religion invented charity. The Ancient Greeks believed giving to charity was key to the development of a moral society. Charity was not only common - their were sanctuaries dedicated to charity!
So use see - the ancient religion was exceptionally pluralistic. There is very very little difference between sophists like Diogenes and Jesus - who simply copied the Greek sophists. Jesus copied Greek sophists and most of his Jewish disciples had Greek names because anything Greek was in fashion at the time in Israel - thanks to rules like Antiochus Epiphanes. Greek sophists had no possessions - would speak of one universal God - would share all food / anything they had and would accept anyone into their circle - prostitutes, beggars - anyone. They usually had 12 disciples too who would travel with them preaching to crowds.
The problem with the desert religions of the Chrismusjews is that they don't celebrate human nature the way the Olympian religion did. As desert religions get weaker in society - art flourished. Early Christians were like muslims today. The weaker the religion gets the better for society. However - I am a pagan - so I would say that! I can also tell you Stella that the majority of Greeks would agree with every word you said in your post. Around 20 -30% would probably agree with me.
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Janeiro de 2018, 18:57
Citação de: StellaRojas em 22 de Janeiro de 2018, 17:59
This transformation was an easy one, because these ancient religions were purely ceremonial in their nature and not doctrinal, so nothing was taken away from them.
I disagree strongly on this point. If you take for example the Ancient Greek's love of sport and contest. There has been no other record of any peoples who worshipped sport to the same extreme degree as the Ancient Greeks. Even the Greek calendar was calculated from the dates of Olympic Games across the Greek world. So why were Greeks so infatuated with sport? Simply - the games were a religious festival to Zeus. All the Olympic games across the Greek world were dedicated to Zeus. The champions were honoured and it was believed the Gods would look down beneficially among them. The religious festivals of all sports in Greece were born out of the religion itself. You see the Greeks were the total opposite to christians. Christians believe the flesh is sinful and the soul needs nourishment alone. The Ancient Greeks believed both the body and soul needed nourishment - hence their favourite saying - healthy body - healthy mind. They worshipped the gym because of its association with Heracles. They believed the better the body looked - the more favour they would receive from the Gods. Bravery and ingenuity were also worshipped. So the whole sporting movement and the greek's obsession with sport and physical brilliance is pagan based and is as far from Christianity as humanly possible. Also - the ancient Greek religion worshipped technological advancement - whereas Christianity is always worried you will offend the Jewish God by going beyond his own work.
CitaçãoNot to mention the importance of Christianity for building family values and ties, something not so present in the ancient culture.
Family values and ties were exceptionally important in the ancient world. They were so important that simply because Xenophon's son died fighting for Athens - he was forgiven and his exile annulled. That is because the father and the son and the daughter - all their honour was connected. What was even more beautiful is that the ancient would often adopt children that were not their own and bestow upon them everything a biological son would have. This enormity of generosity brings us onto another Christian piece of propaganda - that their religion invented charity. The Ancient Greeks believed giving to charity was key to the development of a moral society. Charity was not only common - their were sanctuaries dedicated to charity!
So use see - the ancient religion was exceptionally pluralistic. There is very very little difference between sophists like Diogenes and Jesus - who simply copied the Greek sophists. Jesus copied Greek sophists and most of his Jewish disciples had Greek names because anything Greek was in fashion at the time in Israel - thanks to rules like Antiochus Epiphanes. Greek sophists had no possessions - would speak of one universal God - would share all food / anything they had and would accept anyone into their circle - prostitutes, beggars - anyone. They usually had 12 disciples too who would travel with them preaching to crowds.
The problem with the desert religions of the Chrismusjews is that they don't celebrate human nature the way the Olympain religion did. As they get weaker in society - art flourished. Early Christians were like muslims today. The weaker the religion gets the better for society. However - I am a pagan - so I would say that! I can also tell you Stella that the majority of Greeks would agree with every word you said in your post. Around 20 -30% would probably agree with me.
Well, Faliro, I thought that this was purely, so to say, academic discussion, but as it turns out, you say that you are a pagan, and I am a Christian, so I would not want to steer this in the wrong direction, because I do not like to impose my views on others. But, anyway:
CitaçãoChristians believe the flesh is sinful and the soul needs nourishment alone
This is in fact a ( common) caricature of Christianity and not the actual truth. There is a verse in the Bible saying " Body is the temple of the Holy Spirit". Meaning that it needs to be nourished, taken care of. What Christianity is against are violent sports where you can badly hurt or kill your opponent, against making material prize the main incentive for playing sports, or even against the very idea of playing a sport in order to win against someone. So Christianity would be more in line with amateur sports.
Anyway ;D
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Ancient Olympic Games had religious origins, but they were mainly about glory, or even cash prize ( a hefty one from what I read) and slaves. Motivated more by agon and not Zeus, that is what I would say. Zeus was just a backdrop.
Ancient Greeks emulated their Gods. Cronus killed his father Uranus, Zeus killed Cronus, not to mention these cruel episodes from the Greek mythology, such as Medea killing her children in order to take revenge on Jason, or Tantalus serving his son as a meal to Gods ( in order to mock them), or Agamemnon sacrificing Iphigenia. Or how maternally inclined Hera was towards Haephaestus when she gave him his lame leg.
Cases of femicide were widespread and women were certainly not considered equal to man, daughters could not inherit anything. Christianity, of course, banned femicide and declared that we are all, men and women alike, created in the image of God.
I'm not denying that there are many parallels between the doctrine of Christianity and ancient philosophical teachings ( after all,Christianity had to be propagated, so it could not be entirely new and foreign), but the Sermon on the Mount is the core of the New Testament, and you will not find anything similar anywhere.
Christianity did not discourage art. After all, fra Angelico is one of the most renowned representatives of the renaissance and many popes commissioned the works of art. Also, Orthodox Christian icons and frescoes are breathtakingly beautiful as well as Byzantine or Gregorian chants.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 22 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:48
This is in fact a ( common) caricature of Christianity and not the actual truth. There is a verse in the Bible saying " Body is the temple of the Holy Spirit". Meaning that it needs to be nourished, taken care of.
There is that verse, but I am afraid there are far more that talk of sinful flesh and those are the ones their faithful respected hence how much flesh they use to cover.
Galatians 5:19-21
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.Ephesians 2:3
Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.Isaiah 47:3
"Your nakedness will be uncovered, Your shame also will be exposed; I will take vengeance and will not spare a man."Etc etc. Greeks on the hand believed the human naked was a thing of beauty - nothing to ashamed of like in the desert. The Greeks and Romans had what we call -
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What Christianity is against are violent sports where you can badly hurt or kill your opponent, against making material prize the main incentive for playing sports, or even against the very idea of playing a sport in order to win against someone. So Christianity would be more in line with amateur sports.
In general, Christians did not like Greek athletics. The cult of physical beauty and power did not interest them. Moreover, athletics and games were closely linked to pagan cult. One can discern some chronological evolutions and regional differences, though. In the first centuries AD, when Christians were a minority group, they criticized above all the pagan cult. Christians from the West, who had grown up with the Roman view on sports, were also opposed to athletics, but Christians in the East were not, as they were influenced by a society that valued this practice. In the course of the fourth century, the majority of the population became Christian and pagan cult declined. The whole society (both Christians and pagans) became gradually more prudish: training your body became a sign of vanity and athletic nudity became indecent.
The Greek vocabulary of the Roman period was full of words and images from sports, both in everyday speech and in literary language. The christians took over this vocabulary, but the old words received a new philosophical and religious meaning. The Greek word for training "askesis" was reinterpreted as christian "asceticism", the harsh way of life of the christians and especially of the monks. Like the athletes, they submitted themselves to a hard training regimen and a strict diet. Their diet, however, did not consist of eating lots of meat to develop their muscles, but of disciplining their bodies by continuous deprivation.
CitaçãoAncient Olympic Games had religious origins, but they were mainly about glory, or even cash prize ( a hefty one from what I read) and slaves. Motivated more by agon and not Zeus, that is what I would say. Zeus was just a backdrop.
I have never heard of any cash prize at the ancient Olympics and I have read on it extensively - money as a prize was was banned. All the victors would get is a olive wreath and in some cases a statue of them. Occasionally some Greeks from the outskirts of the Greek world would complain that a olive wreath crown was not enough for all the years of practice and hard work. The famous retort was:
Why, Zeus is poor, and I will clearly prove it to you. In the Olympic games, which he founded, and to which he convokes the whole of Greece every four years, why does he only crown the victorious athletes with wild olive? If he were rich he would give them gold.
CitaçãoAncient Greeks emulated their Gods. Cronus killed his father Uranus, Zeus killed Cronus, not to mention these cruel episodes from the Greek mythology, such as Medea killing her children in order to take revenge on Jason, or Tantalus serving his son as a meal to Gods ( in order to mock them), or Agamemnon sacrificing Iphigenia. Or how maternally inclined Hera was towards Haephaestus when she gave him his lame leg.
Ancient Greeks did not emulate stories of inter family murder just as Christians did not the story of Cain and Abel. These stories were tragedies and constantly performed in tragic plays. Greeks however did try and emulate positive aspects of Gods - like deeds of humanity and generosity etc.
CitaçãoCases of femicide were widespread and women were certainly not considered equal to man, daughters could not inherit anything. Christianity, of course, banned femicide and declared that we are all, men and women alike, created in the image of God.
Femicide was practised by various groups at various times - true. This was not pleasant and goes against our modern values. However femicide had nothing to do with the Gods. In China also - it has nothing to do with religion. The reasons were strictly economic and there was no God condoning femicide for economic reasons. Infanticide was in stories of the Gods but had to do with prophesies of your son for example over shadowing you - rather than a poor family in Athens killing their daughter for economic reasons for example. We must remember also that the bible contains verses of rape as does the koran and Torah. Also the women and inheritance is another mythology. In Athens it is true - women could not inherit legally. However in Sparta women could not only inherit - they owned around 40% of all the property in the kingdom! As Spartan civilisation blossomed - some of the richest citizens in the kingdom were women. They also received the same education as men. Remember..From the early Christian patristic age, the offices of teacher and sacramental minister were reserved for men throughout most of the church in the East and West. Tertullian, the 2nd-century Latin father, wrote that "It is not permitted to a woman to speak in church. Neither may she teach, baptize, offer, nor claim for herself any function proper to a man, least of all the sacerdotal office" ("On the Veiling of Virgins"). Origen (AD 185-254) stated that,
Even if it is granted to a woman to show the sign of prophecy, she is nevertheless not permitted to speak in an assembly. When Miriam the prophetess spoke, she was leading a choir of women ... For [as Paul declares] "I do not permit a woman to teach," and even less "to tell a man what to do."Once again - as the religion evolved away from the desert it advanced. However Christianity is yet to meet the heights that the Ancient Greeks gave to Greek priestesses - who were at the top of the religion. In Greece there are still many little churches around the country - besides Mount Athos (that has a total ban on women even setting foot there) - that do not allow women to enter because they bleed. Similar rules can be found in the sister desert religions of Islam and Judaism.
CitaçãoI'm not denying that there are many parallels between the doctrine of Christianity and ancient philosophical teachings ( after all,Christianity had to be propagated, so it could not be entirely new and foreign), but the Sermon on the Mount is the core of the New Testament, and you will not find anything similar anywhere.
In the Sermon on the Mount there are many coponents that have been done to death before. The structure of heaven and hell - good deeds leading to one - bad to the other - was nothing new - nor the idea of mercy, nor the idea of false prophets - nor the idea of judging others - lest you want to be judged yourself.. You should read about the life Diogenes and the other Greek sophists. You will see parallels instantly.
CitaçãoChristianity did not discourage art. After all, fra Angelico is one of the most renowned representatives of the renaissance and many popes commissioned the works of art. Also, Orthodox Christian icons and frescoes are breathtakingly beautiful as well as Byzantine or Gregorian chants.
Christianity totally discouraged art. As I told you - the weaker Christianity got - the better - the closer it got to the rebirth - Renaissance - rebirth of ancient Greek and Roman art. Early Christians were like muslims today. They were afraid of The Old Testament's restrictions against the production of graven (an idol or fetish carved in wood or stone) images.10,000 of Greeks were murdered for even having pictures of the virgin Mary - by other Christians! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Iconoclasm Imagine being murdered by another Christian for having an image of the Virgin and Christ! That is the desert religion for you! A Greek people so in love with the image - with art generally, suddenly being murdered because other Christians follow the word of the Jewish desert God too closely! As the religion weakened and corrupted - the art flourished better. However sculpture took over 1600 years to get back to where it was due to the sinful nature of the human body and other desert beliefs associated with the core principles of the Abrahamic desert religions.
For me Epicurus summed up the fundamental flaws with all desert religions in one beautifully structured argument:
God, he says, either wishes to take away evils, and is unable; or He is able, and is unwilling; or He is neither willing nor able, or He is both willing and able. If He is willing and is unable, He is feeble, which is not in accordance with the character of God; if He is able and unwilling, He is envious, which is equally at variance with God; if He is neither willing nor able, He is both envious and feeble, and therefore not God; if He is both willing and able, which alone is suitable to God, from what source then are evils? Or why does He not remove them?
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Well Anatolia was Hittite, then Greek from around 1200BC, then Greek but controlled by the Romans - then Byzantine - then finally Ottoman. The Ottomans were originally from China and travelled across Eurasia to get to Anatolia. I don't see the why any of that means Greeks should be force fed Turkish soaps all day long - in Turkish. :)
No one deserves to be bombarded with soap operas, truth be told.
CitaçãoTurks are mishmash of Middle Eastern - a little Far Eastern (where they came from over 1400 years ago) - they also have plenty of Greek and Armenian DNA with traces of slav and other assortments. Greeks however are very homogeneous genetically and plot closest to Southern Italians. Many Apulians in turn score over 80% Greek for example.
Yeah makes sense. I could see Samaris being Italian very well.
For the record, when I used to have longer hair I was told a few times that I looked a bit like Giorgios Samaras. :2funny:
But yeah, I think lots of misinformation has spread about genetics lately. Lots of people online seem to believe modern Greeks have nothing or not much to do with ancient Greeks and that the Ottoman ruling gave lots of Greeks "turkish blood". Kinda like many people also believe people from Portugal and Spain are descendants of Arabs, even though genetic studies prove that the majority of the genes of people from both nations are European. The dominant genes in the Iberian Peninsula I believe still are those of the pre-roman times. The Portuguese are also a very homogeneous people, which makes sense considering we're in the corner of Europe and only have one neighbour... which is also genetically nearly identical to us, since we're both in the same peninsula. The genetic influx from Arabs into the peninsula is not that significant really. I've been to Tunisia and people there clearly looked quite different from Portuguese people in general. I mean, the Reconquista happened and the Moors were eventually expelled... clearly even after all those years, the Christians considered themselves different from the Moors/Muslims.
A lot of that stuff is nordicist propaganda anyway. As in the only possible explanation in their minds for certain European countries being poorer than others can only be due to "non-white genes" :crazy2:
CitaçãoI went there when I was 3. My mother decided to tell everyone she met she was a Greek..(http://sedra.eu/Smileys/fantasticsmileys/facepalm.gif)
Literally everyone? How did that go?
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I would say around half - a critical mass - of Greeks are either communists or leftists. They are more likely to apologise for Turks, compare Alexander the Great to Hitler or talk about how capitalism has destroyed their country than give two shits about how Xenophon survived his expedition into Persia for example. :rir: The right wng Greeks are very proud of the ancients - they are all that is left of the Greek people in reality. It is also interesting to note that the Greek communists in the civil war wished to remove Greece as an independent entity and join Greece with soviet Russia. They recruited many slavs into their army for that very reason. Many of these communist Greeks have very ambiguous surnames which suggests they were originally slavs who were converted to orthodoxy by the Byzantines.
Wait they compare Alexander the Great to Hitler, really??
CitaçãoTrue - but put it like this. When people think of Western Civilisation - a lot of the time they wonder off into Mozart, Dickens and Jesus's teachings - Europe's Judaeo-Christian heritage/values. This is because we allowed the Abrahamic desert religions of the Chrismusjews to dominate the West..
I always saw the foundation stones of Western Civilisation as inspired by Pagan Ancient Greece. Getting smashed on wine - and worshipping the right to get smashed - even having a God of wine who was one of the 12 Olympians...attending festivals 24/7 (festivals of music/ dancing/ theatre/ etc)... going out to the movies..(Ancient Greek Theatre)... worshipping sport (Olympics, endless sporting competitions - every town had 100s of gyms) and worshipping beauty (ancient Greeks even had beauty contests..) and then at the end of it getting vote on what you think the direction of the country should be.. The Christians were - and still are horrified of ancient Greece and ancient Rome - however - the core soul of a European - for the most part - is still in 5th Century Athens. Work, pleasure - the worship of technology and as much intellectualism as you can handle. I think this trumps anything anyone else has given to the West.
Well, I think most Europeans value Ancient Greece and Rome when it comes to European/Western identity. Greece is basically viewed as the birthplace of Western civilization.
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Globalism is a leftist principle. However - you can make it very simple for yourself. Anything to do with removing individual culture - thus creating identity politics - is of the left. Anything worshipping or encouraging the differences between cultures is associated with the right. The problem with Greece is there is no middle. There is the left and the right. There are no centrist parties. So everything is polarised.
That's kinda like how it is here. Most parties here are on the left side of the spectrum. Then there's soem right-winged ones. I suppose PS and PSD both qualify as centre-left and centre-right respectively.
Identity politics seem to be a big thing these days. Mostly due to USA. You have the alt right on one side and the SJWs on the other side. Sadly that seems to be spreading into the rest of the world as well.
CitaçãoWell it is globalisation as you said. What was sexy about Europe for me was the differences. You cross a border and there is a new language, a new way of doing things - difference beliefs, cuisine etc. What is happening thanks to the EU (a massively backed organisation in the med btw) is that we are becoming more like the USA. Greece and Italy are simply states that have given up control of their courts, currency and future - voluntarily! Remember - It was Greeks who destroyed Delphi under command of the Emperor Theodosius. Every last foundation stone was uprooted. In the same way the Europeans have sold their souls to the EU. I kind of like that in a way - because the minute a European dares to blame someone else for whatever their problems may be - you can instantly remind them - they voluntarily joined the EU - an organisation based in Northern Europe with a deeply globalist agenda.
It may help you to read Marx's Communist Manifesto and perhaps some Adorno on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_industry. Adorno blames the culture industry on capitalism - of course. However - the roots of indoctrinating people to be identical are heavily found in the left - not the right as I explained above.
Yes, the EU really seems to be pushing more for federalism. I hope that never happens. EU is basically the United States of Europe, or tries to be. On paper, the EU is a great idea and it came after WW2. Obviously Europeans were afraid yet another world war would break out in their continent and decided to take some steps for some sort of political and economic union in order to prevent that from happening again. Plus, the USSR was around, so having Western Europe united under one banner seemed important. Not to mention the creation of NATO(Portugal is a founding member of it, btw). And speaking of NATO, it kinda lost its purpose after the end of the Cold War. Since then it was basically used in the Yugoslav wars in the 90s, I think.
You also raise a good point. For example, Portugal's currency before the Euro was the Escudo. Granted conversion was easy for us since 1 euro equals to basically 200 escudos. 5 euros equals to 1000 escudos, etc. It's easy math. I can only imagine how much the italians suffered tho :2funny:. Anyway, the Euro sure made travelling easier, not just because you no longer need to exchange money when you go to many European countries any more, but it also made it more possible for people who lived in countries with weaker currencies to travel. On the other hand... everything got more expensive here with the Euro. Btw, did you know the Escudo was once a very strong currency? Back in the 60s-70s it was.
I've read Marx's Communist Manifesto many years ago, actually. But naturally I don't remember every thing about it, and plus I was only 18 or so when I read it.
Super post ^^
Citação de: Festivus em 23 de Janeiro de 2018, 03:00
No one deserves to be bombarded with soap operas, truth be told.
I don't care either way. Greece used to get bombarded with South American soaps with beautiful women talking about their affairs. However these days - you turn on the TV in Greece and it is wall to wall Turkish soaps - in Turkish - and themes are arranged Sunni marriages and stuff like that. Pretty sickening.
CitaçãoYeah makes sense. I could see Samaris being Italian very well.
For the record, when I used to have longer hair I was told a few times that I looked a bit like Giorgios Samaras. :2funny:
But yeah, I think lots of misinformation has spread about genetics lately. Lots of people online seem to believe modern Greeks have nothing or not much to do with ancient Greeks and that the Ottoman ruling gave lots of Greeks "turkish blood". Kinda like many people also believe people from Portugal and Spain are descendants of Arabs, even though genetic studies prove that the majority of the genes of people from both nations are European. The dominant genes in the Iberian Peninsula I believe still are those of the pre-roman times. The Portuguese are also a very homogeneous people, which makes sense considering we're in the corner of Europe and only have one neighbour... which is also genetically nearly identical to us, since we're both in the same peninsula. The genetic influx from Arabs into the peninsula is not that significant really. I've been to Tunisia and people there clearly looked quite different from Portuguese people in general. I mean, the Reconquista happened and the Moors were eventually expelled... clearly even after all those years, the Christians considered themselves different from the Moors/Muslims.
A lot of that stuff is nordicist propaganda anyway. As in the only possible explanation in their minds for certain European countries being poorer than others can only be due to "non-white genes"
Excellent points. You are correct. For years the English and others described Greeks as mixed with every 'Levantine' and no longer connected to the ancients. Then an amazing thing happened. DNA testing. Greeks were expected to plot in Lebanon - North Africa - Yugoslavia etc.. However what they found was the opposite. Greeks plot no where near the East. Not the Near East or Far East. This instantly annoyed many leftists who had be propagating the idea Greeks are mishmash.. Even worse - they found Greeks plotted directly in Greece - they plotted directly within Greece. All the ancient bones Greeks have dug up from the Mycenaeans, Minoans, Ancient Classical Greeks etc - Greeks were shown to be direct descendants. The peoples hadn't moved. There was no ancient Greek extinction event. Greeks have not moved over 3000 years. There was a little bit of slav in the mix - around 0% to 17% depending on region, but little of nothing else. More interestingly - Southern italians - Specifically in Apulia and Sicily plotted as high as 80% Greek - meaning these southern Italians in turn had simply been marrying within their villages since those villages where founded by Greek colonists. Turks on the other hand plotted Middle East, East Asian, Levant, Greek, Armenian etc etc... complete cocktails.
The same happened in Spain. The left for years had built a culture industry of the true geniuses of Spain - the Moors ( :confused:) being the proto-genus of most Spaniards - both culturally and genetically. Whenever a learned Spaniard would try to explain most these Arab centres in Spain were originally Roman and in some cases before that Greek - they were dismissed as being nationalistic and naive. The DNA results came in - sure enough - Spanish scored very very little North African. The myth was destroyed - but like in Greece - the left immediately started saying things like - 'well these tests are not 100% accurate.' What was interesting about the Spanish results for me however is just how much Goth there is in Spain. It is an open secret 90% of Spanish surnames are Vandal in origin - however - many many Spanish are fair and blue eyes because of the Goth invasions and before that the Celts. The proto-Spanish - (pre Roman) were most likely a fairly dark people - they were significantly lightened by invasions from those East of Spain.
CitaçãoLiterally everyone? How did that go?
My dad said they were very polite and treated her well. My mum said - she could see in their eyes they were insecure and untrusting of her.
CitaçãoExcellent points. You are correct. For years the English and others described Greeks as mixed with every 'Levantine' and no longer connected to the ancients. Then an amazing thing happened. DNA testing. Greeks were expected to plot in Lebanon - North Africa - Yugoslavia etc.. However what they found was the opposite. Greeks plot no where near the East. Not the Near East or Far East. This instantly annoyed many leftists who had be propagating the idea Greeks are mishmash.. Even worse - they found Greeks plotted directly in Greece - they plotted directly within Greece. All the ancient bones Greeks have dug up from the Mycenaeans, Minoans, Ancient Classical Greeks etc - Greeks were shown to be direct descendants. The peoples hadn't moved. There was no ancient Greek extinction event. Greeks have not moved over 3000 years. There was a little bit of slav in the mix - around 0% to 17% depending on region, but little of nothing else. More interestingly - Southern italians - Specifically in Apulia and Sicily plotted as high as 80% Greek - meaning these southern Italians in turn had simply been marrying within their villages since those villages where founded by Greek colonists. Turks on the other hand plotted Middle East, East Asian, Levant, Greek, Armenian etc etc... complete cocktails.
The same happened in Spain. The left for years had built a culture industry of the true geniuses of Spain - the Moors ( :confused:) being the proto-genus of most Spaniards - both culturally and genetically. Whenever a learned Spaniard would try to explain most these Arab centres in Spain were originally Roman and in some cases before that Greek - they were dismissed as being nationalistic and naive. The DNA results came in - sure enough - Spanish scored very very little North African. The myth was destroyed - but like in Greece - the left immediately started saying things like - 'well these tests are not 100% accurate.' What was interesting about the Spanish results for me however is just how much Goth there is in Spain. It is an open secret 90% of Spanish surnames are Vandal in origin - however - many many Spanish are fair and blue eyes because of the Goth invasions and before that the Celts. The proto-Spanish - (pre Roman) were most likely a fairly dark people - they were significantly lightened by invasions from those East of Spain.
Well people tend to stick to their own kind usually. Also, I believe the Moors who invaded the peninsula were actually a minority elite. Hard for a minority to breed with most of the population, I'd say.
I don't think the Portuguese care that much about genetics. I've naturally learned about the Moors in school, but I don't remember ever hearing about genetics or anything. We just simply studied the influence they had in our architecture and language, etc.
Ah Sicily. That's another place that a lot of lies are told about. Many Americans, including those of Sicilian background, believe that Sicilians are "part black". :2funny: Americans in general are a very race-conscious society, and keep in mind that at certain point Irish, Germans and Italians were not considered "white" in their eyes. Only people of Anglo Saxon Protestant origin were. Figures...
Btw, one also has to keep in mind that Northern Africa is very diverse. They're not originally Arabic. True Arabs are the ones from the Gulf. Then they invaded Northern Africa and arabised the locals(Amazighers, etc.).
See, that's the thing. For some reason, some people believe that, before the Moorish invasion people in the Iberian peninsula were all super fair skinned and had light hair and eyes and then became dark haired and got tans :2funny:. Lol we've never been "nordic". Our dark haired and olive skinned folk have always been here. That's what you get when you live in one of the hottest regions of Europe in the Summer and also the closest one to the equator. Not to mention the whole darkness of Portuguese and Spaniards and southern Europeans in general is a bit overstated. People come here in the Summer and see a ton of "dark" people... well no shit, they've been getting fried under the sun. On average we're not as ghastly pale as many Europeans up north, but it's not like we're Indians compared to them ;D. That being said, a lot of us are fair skinned and some of us also have light hair and/or eyes. That being said, the vats majority of us(about 80+ or so percent of the population probably) have brown/black hair and brown eyes.
Citação de: Festivus em 23 de Janeiro de 2018, 23:35
CitaçãoExcellent points. You are correct. For years the English and others described Greeks as mixed with every 'Levantine' and no longer connected to the ancients. Then an amazing thing happened. DNA testing. Greeks were expected to plot in Lebanon - North Africa - Yugoslavia etc.. However what they found was the opposite. Greeks plot no where near the East. Not the Near East or Far East. This instantly annoyed many leftists who had be propagating the idea Greeks are mishmash.. Even worse - they found Greeks plotted directly in Greece - they plotted directly within Greece. All the ancient bones Greeks have dug up from the Mycenaeans, Minoans, Ancient Classical Greeks etc - Greeks were shown to be direct descendants. The peoples hadn't moved. There was no ancient Greek extinction event. Greeks have not moved over 3000 years. There was a little bit of slav in the mix - around 0% to 17% depending on region, but little of nothing else. More interestingly - Southern italians - Specifically in Apulia and Sicily plotted as high as 80% Greek - meaning these southern Italians in turn had simply been marrying within their villages since those villages where founded by Greek colonists. Turks on the other hand plotted Middle East, East Asian, Levant, Greek, Armenian etc etc... complete cocktails.
The same happened in Spain. The left for years had built a culture industry of the true geniuses of Spain - the Moors ( :confused:) being the proto-genus of most Spaniards - both culturally and genetically. Whenever a learned Spaniard would try to explain most these Arab centres in Spain were originally Roman and in some cases before that Greek - they were dismissed as being nationalistic and naive. The DNA results came in - sure enough - Spanish scored very very little North African. The myth was destroyed - but like in Greece - the left immediately started saying things like - 'well these tests are not 100% accurate.' What was interesting about the Spanish results for me however is just how much Goth there is in Spain. It is an open secret 90% of Spanish surnames are Vandal in origin - however - many many Spanish are fair and blue eyes because of the Goth invasions and before that the Celts. The proto-Spanish - (pre Roman) were most likely a fairly dark people - they were significantly lightened by invasions from those East of Spain.
Well people tend to stick to their own kind usually. Also, I believe the Moors who invaded the peninsula were actually a minority elite. Hard for a minority to breed with most of the population, I'd say.
I don't think the Portuguese care that much about genetics. I've naturally learned about the Moors in school, but I don't remember ever hearing about genetics or anything. We just simply studied the influence they had in our architecture and language, etc.
Ah Sicily. That's another place that a lot of lies are told about. Many Americans, including those of Sicilian background, believe that Sicilians are "part black". :2funny: Americans in general are a very race-conscious society, and keep in mind that at certain point Irish, Germans and Italians were not considered "white" in their eyes. Only people of Anglo Saxon Protestant origin were. Figures...
Btw, one also has to keep in mind that Northern Africa is very diverse. They're not originally Arabic. True Arabs are the ones from the Gulf. Then they invaded Northern Africa and arabised the locals(Amazighers, etc.).
See, that's the thing. For some reason, some people believe that, before the Moorish invasion people in the Iberian peninsula were all super fair skinned and had light hair and eyes and then became dark haired and got tans :2funny:. Lol we've never been "nordic". Our dark haired and olive skinned folk have always been here. That's what you get when you live in one of the hottest regions of Europe in the Summer and also the closest one to the equator. Not to mention the whole darkness of Portuguese and Spaniards and southern Europeans in general is a bit overstated. People come here in the Summer and see a ton of "dark" people... well no shit, they've been getting fried under the sun. On average we're not as ghastly pale as many Europeans up north, but it's not like we're Indians compared to them ;D. That being said, a lot of us are fair skinned and some of us also have light hair and/or eyes. That being said, the vats majority of us(about 80+ or so percent of the population probably) have brown/black hair and brown eyes.
Yea, some pretty women too from Iberia imo. I like the med featured ones more than the ones who have Xavi Alsono's colouring for example.
Updated:
1 Greece GK Sokratis Dioudis Meh..
2 Sweden DF Mattias Johansson Rubbish
3 Argentina DF Emanuel Insúa Meh..
4 Greece DF Giorgos Koutroubis Garbage
5 Portugal DF Nuno Reis Average
6 Greece MF Christos Donis (5th-captain) Meh
7 Israel MF Omri Altman Garbage
8 Sweden FW Guillermo Molins (4th-captain) Inconsistent - mostly garbage.
9 Argentina FW Andrés Chávez Garbage
10 France MF Anthony Mounier Garbage.
11 Ecuador FW Bryan Cabezas (on loan from Atalanta) Good.
14 Sweden MF Oscar Hiljemark (on loan from Genoa) Meh..
15 Greece DF Tasos Avlonitis Average..
17 Finland MF Robin Lod Average..
18 Brazil FW Luciano Garbage.
19 Argentina MF Lucas Villafáñez (3rd-captain) Average
21 Greece MF Dimitris Kourbelis (captain) Good player in right environment.
22 Greece MF Fanis Tzandaris Jury out.
23 Sweden DF Niklas Hult Garbage - terrible defender.
26 Greece DF Dimitrios Kolovetsios - Average.
27 Greece GK Konstantinos Kotsaris No idea.
29 Mali MF Yacouba Sylla (on loan from Rennais) No idea.
31 Brazil DF Rodrigo Moledo (vice-captain) Average.
34 Greece MF Paschalis Staikos No idea.
39 Greece MF Anastasios Chatzigiovannis No idea.
41 Greece DF Stefanos Evangelou No idea.
49 Greece FW Sotiris-Pantelis Pispas No idea.
78 Mali DF Ousmane Coulibaly Meh.. always injured too.
99 Germany GK Odisseas Vlachodimos Already said.
Kourbelis will be the next to go. Vilafanez their best player just agreed to go the Turkey. Also Alafouzos now has PAO fans outside his house each night shouting abuse. He said yesterday - he will further reduce the budget from €5.7 million to €4 million - this means even youth players will have to be sold! All attempts to sell PAO failed. No one was interested and Alafouzos lied about the debt. The club is not even worth the amount of debt it is in.
Vladichomos or Hiljemark played in the last game...
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:20
Vladichomos or Hiljemark played in the last game...
Hiljemark 100%. Vlacho not sure. Seems to now be owned by another team, but may have agreed to stay with PAO for the rest of the season.
Why dont you go for Kourbelis? :coolsmiley:
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:32
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:20
Vladichomos or Hiljemark played in the last game...
Hiljemark 100%. Vlacho not sure. Seems to now be owned by another team, but may have agreed to stay with PAO for the rest of the season.
It's Benfica Who own Vlacho.
Citação de: Calcio em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:39
Why dont you go for Kourbelis? :coolsmiley:
I wanted him even when he was at Asteras. Can play CM or CB. Stable. His character is good too. Hard Peloponnesian. He is an Arcadian too - the where my family came from. They are tough from there. Good physic too - pure footballer. Honest too in the interviews. The minute he signed for PAO - I lost interest. :knuppel2:
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:50
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:32
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:20
Vladichomos or Hiljemark played in the last game...
Hiljemark 100%. Vlacho not sure. Seems to now be owned by another team, but may have agreed to stay with PAO for the rest of the season.
It's Benfica Who own Vlacho.
Yes, seems you are happy for him to stay in Greece.
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:54
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:50
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:32
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:20
Vladichomos or Hiljemark played in the last game...
Hiljemark 100%. Vlacho not sure. Seems to now be owned by another team, but may have agreed to stay with PAO for the rest of the season.
It's Benfica Who own Vlacho.
Yes, seems you are happy for him to stay in Greece.
Unfortunately, we are going until the end of the season with Bruno Varela.
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:56
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:54
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:50
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:32
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:20
Vladichomos or Hiljemark played in the last game...
Hiljemark 100%. Vlacho not sure. Seems to now be owned by another team, but may have agreed to stay with PAO for the rest of the season.
It's Benfica Who own Vlacho.
Yes, seems you are happy for him to stay in Greece.
Unfortunately, we are going until the end of the season with Bruno Varela.
So that explains it. Try and convince Porto to take Kapino and then get a mod to delete this post so no one sees this. He is so shit - he will sabotage them so badly. The beauty of the plan is - the brain dead-media think he is amazing - always back him and he is a full international - and fucking tall. By the time they start figuring out he is a liability - the season will already be over. Someone on the Oly thread asked why we conceded so many goals this season. This idiot was part of that. Marinakis personally kicked him out the club.
Any club interested in him?
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Janeiro de 2018, 20:24
Any club interested in him?
Apparently... Brugges were interested but thought he was too pricey. Young Boys are now considering him. He is still training with Oly, but out the team. Where ever he goes, media always big him up. I am sure if he wants he will find a club. Marinakis terminated his contract in December despite the press trying to save him. Was bizarre. They even started polls to defend him.
Faliro, why do not you take an opportunity to explain the issue of FYROM to people here? Even though it is OT, I do not think anyone will mind, it is history after all.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 28 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:34
Faliro, why do not you take an opportunity to explain the issue of FYROM to people here? Even though it is OT, I do not think anyone will mind, it is history after all.
It is a whole thing and the combination of Greece's own 5th column and outsiders creating the problem.
Starts after the fall of the first Rome. Around 600AD, swaths of slavs entered the Balkans and headed south. Literally 100,000s of them and they were pagans. What is today Greece - had become a backwater of the Byzantine Empire and only Salonika was a significant centre (second capital after Constantinople). Therefore there was no protection. No standing army to meet the slavs. They made it all the way to southern Greece and started settling all the abandoned towns and villages across Greece. In the north they met some resistance and tried many times to breach the great walls of Salonika where all the greeks were hiding. Finally - the Byzantines got their act together. Firstly they christianised many of the slavs in the hope that would take the edge off their violence towards Byzantium (:buck2:) - that only partially worked. However there was still the question of what to do with 100,000 of settlers. In the south the Byzantines started attacking them.
The city of Thessaloniki remained unconquered even after being attacked by the Slavs around 615. The Slavs were eventually defeated, gathered by the Byzantines and placed into segregated communities known as Sclaviniae. During the early 7th century, Constans II made the first mass-expulsions of Slavs from the Greek peninsula to the Balkans and central Asia Minor. Justinian II defeated and destroyed most of the Sclaviniae, and moved as many as 110,000–200,000 Slavs from the Greek peninsula to Bithynia, while he enlisted some 30,000 Slavs in his army.
The Slavic populations that were placed in these segregated communities were used for military campaigns against the enemies of the Byzantines. In the Peloponnese, more Slavic invaders brought disorder to the western part of the peninsula, while the eastern part remained firmly under Byzantine domination.
Empress Irene organised a military campaign which liberated those territories and restored Byzantine rule to the region, but it was not until emperor Nicephorus I's resettlement of some rural areas of Peloponnese with Greek-speakers from southern Italy, that the last trace of Slavic element was eliminated.So now we fast forward. The slavs in the north were never fully turfed out of Greece. Northern Greece always had a few villages where they still spoke Bulgarian. They identified solely as Bulgarian. That is until a clever man called Tito hot the scene. This Croatian Slovene decided to rename the area held with Yugoslavia that contained Bulgarians bordering Greece - Macedonia. He did this in the hope of one day claiming an Aegean port in Greek Macedonia. Suddenly all these Bulgarians were given a new identity - Macedonian! They were taught/brainwashed that Greeks became extinct as a race and that modern Greeks are just Turks who decided to leave islam and become Christian.. even though that way they would be more persecuted and have to pay more tax and learn a new language etc.. :crazy2:
However there is one angle missing. All communist Greeks wanted these Bulgars to merge with Greece. Most communist Greeks are from the north and have surnames that have slav references - ie they were slavs but became Greek over the last 1400 years. In both politics and academia - the Greek communists have helped this new nation 'Macedonia' rise and help propagate the myth that Greeks have no connection with ancient Greeks. During the civil war all the slavic speaking Greeks joined the communists along with Albanians, Bulgarians and everyone else bordering northern Greece to defeat the Royalist Greeks. They lost however... and the last of the slavs were expelled from Greece and moved back to Bulgaria and Fyrom. Many Greek communists moved to Romania and Hungary but most stayed - were allowed to breed and now all their descendants are SYRIZA politicians, state workers and academics and all of them hate Greece and see any type of historical patriotism as nazi/fascist.
Here is a good modern quick video summarising:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziJJBsZTt4Y
CitaçãoSo now we fast forward. The slavs in the north were never fully turfed out of Greece. They identified solely as Bulgarian. That is until a clever man called Tito hot the scene. this Croatian Slovene decided to rename the area held with Yugoslavia that contained Bulgar - Macedonia. He did this in the hope of one day claiming an Aegean port in Greek Macedonia
I do not agree with this part Faliro. Anyway, I do not think you wrote it with bad intentions, after all, you could not care less whether they are Serbians or Bulgarians. But a lot of them have a slava tradition ( patron saint), and these are Serbs. They inhabit the northern part of the country: Kumanovo etc. A lot of them had their last names changed from ending in -ic, to ending in -ov and -ev.
Reis, former PAO, signed with Vitória Setúbal.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 28 de Janeiro de 2018, 20:18
CitaçãoSo now we fast forward. The slavs in the north were never fully turfed out of Greece. They identified solely as Bulgarian. That is until a clever man called Tito hot the scene. this Croatian Slovene decided to rename the area held with Yugoslavia that contained Bulgar - Macedonia. He did this in the hope of one day claiming an Aegean port in Greek Macedonia
I do not agree with this part Faliro. Anyway, I do not think you wrote it with bad intentions, after all, you could not care less whether they are Serbians or Bulgarians. But a lot of them have a slava tradition ( patron saint), and these are Serbs. They inhabit the northern part of the country: Kumanovo etc. A lot of them had their last names changed from ending in -ic, to ending in -ov and -ev.
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/27073087_1976208716034481_8665378679955751655_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=eded3c570478f9cf8986f263d592388f&oe=5AF0A379)
I am not duscussing the Albanians, Turks, gypsies or Serbs of Fyrom. Only the actual pure Bulgars who have spearheaded the revisionism.
Citação de: Calcio em 28 de Janeiro de 2018, 23:39
Reis, former PAO, signed with Vitória Setúbal.
I had already crossed him off on the list I posted. :smokin:
Kourbelis their captain should be next. Sampdoria after him.
Brw, what ever happened to Greece since the referendum? How are things there these days?
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Janeiro de 2018, 09:53
Brw, what ever happened to Greece since the referendum? How are things there these days?
Well Greeks felt totally humiliated by Tsipras. They turned out in their millions by Tsipras's request - and voted no - only for Tsipras to back stab the Greek people and agree far more austerity the following week.
The feeling of betrayal got so bad after the referendum that an election was called. Of course Greece is a leftist country and he was reelected and all was forgotten. Greeks now walk around like this:
(https://amp.thisisinsider.com/images/56438fb7dd0895786a8b4585-750-501.jpg)
AEK after Bebé.
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Janeiro de 2018, 12:13
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Janeiro de 2018, 09:53
Brw, what ever happened to Greece since the referendum? How are things there these days?
Well Greeks felt totally humiliated by Tsipras. They turned out in their millions by Tsipras's request - and voted no - only for Tsipras to back stab the Greek people and agree far more austerity the following week.
The feeling of betrayal got so bad after the referendum that an election was called. Of course Greece is a leftist country and he was reelected and all was forgotten. Greeks now walk around like this:
(https://amp.thisisinsider.com/images/56438fb7dd0895786a8b4585-750-501.jpg)
Faliro, I regularly go to Greece on vacations and I saw no people walking around like that :2funny:
But, by Zeus, a good humour!
Did u see many homeless people and alcogolics and junkies? Lisbon was full of them some years ago. We still have them but there were way more in 2014 or so I think
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Janeiro de 2018, 19:49
Did u see many homeless people and alcogolics and junkies? Lisbon was full of them some years ago. We still have them but there were way more in 2014 or so I think
Where I went on vacations no. But in Athens yes, I saw what looked like migrants and homeless when I was there. But I also saw them in Prague, Budapest etc too. It is a sad reality.
Massive game tonight, AEK vs Dinamo in the Europa Cup Round of 32.
AEK have sold at least 40,000 tickets for the game. By kick off it may be around 50,000. 12 gates are already sold out.
Work on the cement foundations of their stadium were slow today due the rain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSS1csUhZg8
Bad result for AEK.
Not sooo bad, but difficult.
Works have started preparing for the cement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-iLS4Yv_m8
Things will soon start to look very different on the site.
Citação de: Covenant em 16 de Fevereiro de 2018, 04:40
Bad result for AEK.
Good result for Faliro. They got tired laying the cement.
They will struggle to bridge 3 competitions with their squad. The more running around they do, the better for us.
PAOK won easily just now. Pelkas is on fire - remember him?
So here it is, they are 9 points ahead with 8 games left to play.. :whistle2:
^^
PAOK -Olympiacos next week, a loss and it's over for you.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 17 de Fevereiro de 2018, 21:10
^^
PAOK -Olympiacos next week, a loss and it's over for you.
I would tend to agree with that statement.
AEK's concrete going in today. I don't know why, watching greeks operating heavy machinery always makes me smile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJL_hP5y4MI
The final capacity will be 31,800 and will have an interior virtually identical to Legia's stadium - which is also two tiered and 31,800:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttePOOXjkU8
Kinda sad AEK going for a 31,800 seeing as in big games they sell between 40k - 50k seats, but alas this is Greece, think small mentality..
AEK dropped points...
F U C K
PAOK shit heads cant be champions. Better win this shit, Oly...
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Fevereiro de 2018, 19:38
AEK dropped points...
F U C K
PAOK shit heads cant be champions. Better win this shit, Oly...
And what a fucking goal by Warda. MVP in the league this season along with Pelkas surely.
Oly need to win every single game and hope PAOK get -6 for the circus on Sunday.
AEK have asked the EPO to suspend the championship until the PAOK punnishment has been decided. Translation: 'Our players are tired and need a rest - they were destroyed playing against Atromitos - finished - we need two weeks to let them rest - 3 competitions at once has taken its toll.'
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Fevereiro de 2018, 17:49
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Fevereiro de 2018, 19:38
AEK dropped points...
F U C K
PAOK shit heads cant be champions. Better win this shit, Oly...
And what a fucking goal by Warda. MVP in the league this season along with Pelkas surely.
Oly need to win every single game and hope PAOK get -6 for the circus on Sunday.
AEK have asked the EPO to suspend the championship until the PAOK punnishment has been decided. Translation: 'Our players are tired and need a rest - they were destroyed playing against Atromitos - finished - we need two weeks to let them rest - 3 competitions at once has taken its toll.'
About Warda, do you know why he was sent on loan here and was back in Greece in no time? :rir:
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Fevereiro de 2018, 17:54
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Fevereiro de 2018, 17:49
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Fevereiro de 2018, 19:38
AEK dropped points...
F U C K
PAOK shit heads cant be champions. Better win this shit, Oly...
And what a fucking goal by Warda. MVP in the league this season along with Pelkas surely.
Oly need to win every single game and hope PAOK get -6 for the circus on Sunday.
AEK have asked the EPO to suspend the championship until the PAOK punnishment has been decided. Translation: 'Our players are tired and need a rest - they were destroyed playing against Atromitos - finished - we need two weeks to let them rest - 3 competitions at once has taken its toll.'
About Warda, do you know why he was sent on loan here and was back in Greece in no time? :rir:
Something about him trying to kebab other player's wives? Was it true?
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Fevereiro de 2018, 18:02
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Fevereiro de 2018, 17:54
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Fevereiro de 2018, 17:49
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Fevereiro de 2018, 19:38
AEK dropped points...
F U C K
PAOK shit heads cant be champions. Better win this shit, Oly...
And what a fucking goal by Warda. MVP in the league this season along with Pelkas surely.
Oly need to win every single game and hope PAOK get -6 for the circus on Sunday.
AEK have asked the EPO to suspend the championship until the PAOK punnishment has been decided. Translation: 'Our players are tired and need a rest - they were destroyed playing against Atromitos - finished - we need two weeks to let them rest - 3 competitions at once has taken its toll.'
About Warda, do you know why he was sent on loan here and was back in Greece in no time? :rir:
Something about him trying to kebab other player's wives? Was it true?
Yup :rir:
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Fevereiro de 2018, 18:07
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Fevereiro de 2018, 18:02
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Fevereiro de 2018, 17:54
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Fevereiro de 2018, 17:49
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Fevereiro de 2018, 19:38
AEK dropped points...
F U C K
PAOK shit heads cant be champions. Better win this shit, Oly...
And what a fucking goal by Warda. MVP in the league this season along with Pelkas surely.
Oly need to win every single game and hope PAOK get -6 for the circus on Sunday.
AEK have asked the EPO to suspend the championship until the PAOK punnishment has been decided. Translation: 'Our players are tired and need a rest - they were destroyed playing against Atromitos - finished - we need two weeks to let them rest - 3 competitions at once has taken its toll.'
About Warda, do you know why he was sent on loan here and was back in Greece in no time? :rir:
Something about him trying to kebab other player's wives? Was it true?
Yup :rir:
:rir:
http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/h-ael-zhthse-anti-ntopingk-kontrol-sto-mats-me-thn-aek.5099536.html
Use Google translate for full details on this. AEL asking for doping tests on players who take part in AEL vs AEK Cup Semi Final tomorrow.
Something about a type of muscle injury that AEK players seem to be experiencing, does this make sense to you guys?
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Fevereiro de 2018, 13:55
http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/h-ael-zhthse-anti-ntopingk-kontrol-sto-mats-me-thn-aek.5099536.html
Use Google translate for full details on this. AEL asking for doping tests on players who take part in AEL vs AEK Cup Semi Final tomorrow.
Something about a type of muscle injury that AEK players seem to be experiencing, does this make sense to you guys?
Have no idea. Unless they think they are injecting shots in a certain area where those injuries occur.
https://desporto.sapo.pt/futebol/greece-superleague/artigos/justica-grega-condena-58-jogadores-e-dirigentes-de-futebol-por-jogos-combinados
Asteras 3
PAOK 2
Best game of the season for me. Had everything. PAOK got a pen in extra time (+5) to make it 2-2 just for Asteras to score in +7 of extra time!!!!!
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Março de 2018, 15:06
Asteras 3
PAOK 2
Best game of the season for me. Had everything. PAOK got a pen in extra time (+5) to make it 2-2 just for Asteras to score in +7 of extra time!!!!!
Great result!
:D
AEK seem in the driving position to take this league.
PAOK blew their chance with their usual hooliganism and poor away form.
Here is what happened after PAOK realised Asteras beating them fucked their hopes of the title. Idiot PAOK director went after the Asteras player Kaltsas:
https://streamable.com/xt0cc
Here is the highlights - was a disgusting dive for the PAOK pen - super game though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJcCJX_MClI
SOME 40 PAOK Thessaloniki supporters invaded the studios of state-run Greek television station ERT 3 on Tuesday and forced a sportscaster to read a five-minute protest message on the air. Part of the protest message said the -3 points was the biggest sporting injustice of all time. :rir: After the newscaster had done their bidding they lifted the siege and left.
Zero arrests.
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Março de 2018, 23:05
SOME 40 PAOK Thessaloniki supporters invaded the studios of state-run Greek television station ERT 3 on Tuesday and forced a sportscaster to read a five-minute protest message on the air. Part of the protest message said the -3 points was the biggest sporting injustice of all time. :rir: After the newscaster had done their bidding they lifted the siege and left.
Zero arrests.
What a fuck 🙈😂
Yea ^^
ERT are hardcore leftists who believe in affirmative action - to be frank - the male staff were probably deeply turned on at being taken hostage by punk PAOK hooligans with their Palestinians scarves and marijuana aftershave. I am sure the minute the PAOK hooligans broke in, the ERT staff were like this instead of calling the police..
(https://memegenerator.net/img/images/16633623.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Yea ^^
ERT are hardcore leftists who believe in affirmative action - to be frank - the male staff were probably deeply turned on at being taken hostage by punk PAOK hooligans with their Palestinians scarves and marijuana aftershave. I am sure the minute the PAOK hooligans broke in, the ERT staff were like this instead of calling the police..
(https://memegenerator.net/img/images/16633623.jpg)
Ahah UEFA will block Greek teams in Europe competitions or no danger for now?
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 06 de Março de 2018, 23:29
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Yea ^^
ERT are hardcore leftists who believe in affirmative action - to be frank - the male staff were probably deeply turned on at being taken hostage by punk PAOK hooligans with their Palestinians scarves and marijuana aftershave. I am sure the minute the PAOK hooligans broke in, the ERT staff were like this instead of calling the police..
(https://memegenerator.net/img/images/16633623.jpg)
Ahah UEFA will block Greek teams in Europe competitions or no danger for now?
For this? This shit happens in Greece everyday. Greece has a legal system that fits better in a 1700's Ottoman village than a modern European country. To get arrested in Greece you have to be so so stupid. All you have to do is run away - the police wont chase you. If you attack a leftist institution like ERT - no one will call the police anyway..
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Março de 2018, 23:33
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 06 de Março de 2018, 23:29
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Yea ^^
ERT are hardcore leftists who believe in affirmative action - to be frank - the male staff were probably deeply turned on at being taken hostage by punk PAOK hooligans with their Palestinians scarves and marijuana aftershave. I am sure the minute the PAOK hooligans broke in, the ERT staff were like this instead of calling the police..
(https://memegenerator.net/img/images/16633623.jpg)
Ahah UEFA will block Greek teams in Europe competitions or no danger for now?
For this? This shit happens in Greece everyday. Greece has a legal system that fits better in a 1700's Ottoman village than a modern European country. To get arrested in Greece you have to be so so stupid. All you have to do is run away - the police wont chase you. If you attack a leftist institution like ERT - no one will call the police anyway..
And I was thinking Portugal was a bad dead country 😂😂
Greece should go to the CAN 😂
I just love Greece :dance:
https://www.facebook.com/aekfans21com/videos/1783228011695448/
Pizza says 'League title'
Spoon with food on it says 'Defeat by Asteras Tripoli.'
:rir:
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Março de 2018, 09:31
https://www.facebook.com/aekfans21com/videos/1783228011695448/
Pizza says 'League title'
Spoon with food on it says 'Defeat by Asteras Tripoli.'
:rir:
😂😂
I now feel an urgent need to produce something shocking from Serbia... :rir:
(http://www.alo.rs/resources/images/0000/110/559/partcz_131217%20ALO%20Marko%20Metlas16_1000x0.jpg)
Your anger is channelled in the wrong direction, but at least you have it..We do not, for anything >:(
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 11:55
I now feel an urgent need to produce something shocking from Serbia... :rir:
(http://www.alo.rs/resources/images/0000/110/559/partcz_131217%20ALO%20Marko%20Metlas16_1000x0.jpg)
Your anger is channelled in the wrong direction, but at least you have it..We do not, for anything >:(
Serbia is the real deal. Greek police are non existent and I do get the sense that many professional Greek hooligans do it for Instagram hits..
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:01
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 11:55
I now feel an urgent need to produce something shocking from Serbia... :rir:
(http://www.alo.rs/resources/images/0000/110/559/partcz_131217%20ALO%20Marko%20Metlas16_1000x0.jpg)
Your anger is channelled in the wrong direction, but at least you have it..We do not, for anything >:(
Serbia is the real deal. Greek police are non existent and I do get the sense that many professional Greek hooligans do it for Instagram hits..
I'm so proud to hear this now :rir:
Professional Greek hooligans should finally start to earn their wages. Throwing paper rolls is not enough.
Serbia is special case... violence is genetic since first world war 😂😂
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:26
Serbia is special case... violence is genetic since first world war 😂😂
Would should that mean now? Throughout our history we have never been violent, or attacking anyone first. And First World War was a defensive war ( Austro-Hungary declared war on us, using Ferdinand's assassination as a pretext, even though they hated both him and his Czech wife, to the point that Franz Joseph said he was relieved that his nephew would not succeed him) in which we had a number of glorious victories and suffered a great deal ( using one third of our male population), retreating over Albania and breaking through the Salonica front.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:36
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:26
Serbia is special case... violence is genetic since first world war 😂😂
Would should that mean now? Throughout our history we have never been violent, or attacking anyone first. And First World War was a defensive war ( Austro-Hungary declared war on us, using Ferdinand's assassination as a pretext) in which we had a number of glorious victories and suffered a great deal, retreating over Albania and breaking through the Salonica front.
I Know who start 😎 but what I mean is that Balkans always violent. Since wwI and then in Yugoslavia times.
It's an habit.
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:39
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:36
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:26
Serbia is special case... violence is genetic since first world war 😂😂
Would should that mean now? Throughout our history we have never been violent, or attacking anyone first. And First World War was a defensive war ( Austro-Hungary declared war on us, using Ferdinand's assassination as a pretext) in which we had a number of glorious victories and suffered a great deal, retreating over Albania and breaking through the Salonica front.
I Know who start 😎 but what I mean is that Balkans always violent. Since wwI and then in Yugoslavia times.
It's an habit.
The Balkans are at the intersection of many roads, making it a desirable target for many foreign powers. So, yes, we are used to defending ourselves and unfortunately, had to go through a number of wars.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:41
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:39
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:36
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:26
Serbia is special case... violence is genetic since first world war 😂😂
Would should that mean now? Throughout our history we have never been violent, or attacking anyone first. And First World War was a defensive war ( Austro-Hungary declared war on us, using Ferdinand's assassination as a pretext) in which we had a number of glorious victories and suffered a great deal, retreating over Albania and breaking through the Salonica front.
I Know who start 😎 but what I mean is that Balkans always violent. Since wwI and then in Yugoslavia times.
It's an habit.
The Balkans are at the intersection of many roads, making it a desirable target for many foreign powers. So, yes, we are used to defending ourselves and unfortunately, had to go through a number of wars.
Violence is violence 😂 defensive or attacking 😛 and we get use to.
Goes deep in the soul 😁
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:44
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:41
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:39
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:36
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:26
Serbia is special case... violence is genetic since first world war 😂😂
Would should that mean now? Throughout our history we have never been violent, or attacking anyone first. And First World War was a defensive war ( Austro-Hungary declared war on us, using Ferdinand's assassination as a pretext) in which we had a number of glorious victories and suffered a great deal, retreating over Albania and breaking through the Salonica front.
I Know who start 😎 but what I mean is that Balkans always violent. Since wwI and then in Yugoslavia times.
It's an habit.
The Balkans are at the intersection of many roads, making it a desirable target for many foreign powers. So, yes, we are used to defending ourselves and unfortunately, had to go through a number of wars.
Violence is violence 😂 defensive or attacking 😛 and we get use to.
Goes deep in the soul 😁
I tend to think of violence as mainly offensive, but OK. And truth be said, in spite of all these wars we had to fight, Serbs are not overly violent people. More than the Swiss for example, but we also prefer peace, fighting only when we have to.
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:44
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:41
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:39
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:36
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:26
Serbia is special case... violence is genetic since first world war 😂😂
Would should that mean now? Throughout our history we have never been violent, or attacking anyone first. And First World War was a defensive war ( Austro-Hungary declared war on us, using Ferdinand's assassination as a pretext) in which we had a number of glorious victories and suffered a great deal, retreating over Albania and breaking through the Salonica front.
I Know who start 😎 but what I mean is that Balkans always violent. Since wwI and then in Yugoslavia times.
It's an habit.
The Balkans are at the intersection of many roads, making it a desirable target for many foreign powers. So, yes, we are used to defending ourselves and unfortunately, had to go through a number of wars.
Violence is violence 😂 defensive or attacking 😛 and we get use to.
Goes deep in the soul 😁
Historically the Balkans was fairly civilised before the Turks started their cultural experiment there - that experiment is still ongoing with their colony nations like Albania, Bosnia, ''Kosovo'' always ready for violence at any level etc. Serbs are a civilised bunch. I met plenty of them. Can't say the same for those in the colony nations.
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:53
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:44
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:41
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:39
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:36
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:26
Serbia is special case... violence is genetic since first world war 😂😂
Would should that mean now? Throughout our history we have never been violent, or attacking anyone first. And First World War was a defensive war ( Austro-Hungary declared war on us, using Ferdinand's assassination as a pretext) in which we had a number of glorious victories and suffered a great deal, retreating over Albania and breaking through the Salonica front.
I Know who start 😎 but what I mean is that Balkans always violent. Since wwI and then in Yugoslavia times.
It's an habit.
The Balkans are at the intersection of many roads, making it a desirable target for many foreign powers. So, yes, we are used to defending ourselves and unfortunately, had to go through a number of wars.
Violence is violence 😂 defensive or attacking 😛 and we get use to.
Goes deep in the soul 😁
Historically the Balkans was fairly civilised before the Turks started their cultural experiment there - that experiment is still ongoing with their colony nations like Albania, Bosnia, ''Kosovo'' always ready for violence at any level etc. Serbs are a civilised bunch. I met plenty of them. Can't say the same for those in the colony nations.
I'm biased, but while there are bad apples in every basket, I would say that you are right. Albanian fans were stoning Legia Warsaw players only because they had one Serb in their team. That is unthinkable in Serbia. Or that drone carrying the map of Greater Albania.
It is also a well-known fact that they live off drug business in " Kosovo". When our famous writer Dobrica Cosic said that Albanians " indebted European culture" only by building medieval walls around their houses, he enraged NGOs. But that is true...no success in sports ( except for judo), no success in art ( apart from Ismail Kadare), no success in science. No success in anything, to be honest, apart from dealing drugs. It may sound racist, but it is actually true.
And yes, prior to Turkish occupation these parts never had any of these issues.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 13:06
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:53
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:44
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:41
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:39
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:36
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:26
Serbia is special case... violence is genetic since first world war 😂😂
Would should that mean now? Throughout our history we have never been violent, or attacking anyone first. And First World War was a defensive war ( Austro-Hungary declared war on us, using Ferdinand's assassination as a pretext) in which we had a number of glorious victories and suffered a great deal, retreating over Albania and breaking through the Salonica front.
I Know who start 😎 but what I mean is that Balkans always violent. Since wwI and then in Yugoslavia times.
It's an habit.
The Balkans are at the intersection of many roads, making it a desirable target for many foreign powers. So, yes, we are used to defending ourselves and unfortunately, had to go through a number of wars.
Violence is violence 😂 defensive or attacking 😛 and we get use to.
Goes deep in the soul 😁
Historically the Balkans was fairly civilised before the Turks started their cultural experiment there - that experiment is still ongoing with their colony nations like Albania, Bosnia, ''Kosovo'' always ready for violence at any level etc. Serbs are a civilised bunch. I met plenty of them. Can't say the same for those in the colony nations.
I'm biased, but while there are bad apples in every basket, I would say that you are right. Albanian fans were stoning Legia Warsaw players only because they had one Serb in their team. That is unthinkable in Serbia. Or that drone carrying the map of Greater Albania.
It is also a well-known fact that they live off drug business in " Kosovo". When our famous writer Dobrica Cosic said that Albanians " indebted European culture" only by building medieval walls around their houses, he enraged NGOs. But that is true...no success in sports ( except for judo), no success in art ( apart from Ismail Kadare), no success in science. No success in anything, to be honest, apart from dealing drugs. It may sound racist, but it is actually true.
And yes, prior to Turkish occupation these parts never had any of these issues.
I would say as well as a drugs, Albanians are number 1 for people trafficking. Whether in London, Paris or the eastern block - if there is a sex slave or people illegally moved across continental Europe - 90% of the time there is an Albanian gang involved. In London they have controlled the vice there for decades. Same in Paris. Drugs, people trafficking, prostitution etc.. all Albanian controlled.
That is remarkable considering 1/ how few Albanians there are in these nations and yet their criminal infrastructure is insane. 2/ how nearly all of them entered these nations illegally themselves in order to set up these criminal gangs and they rarely get deported 3/ Think of all the other foreign nationals they have kept from these criminal industries. Russians, Romanians, North Africans - no one can dent the control Albanians have on these industries in Paris and London. 4/ how the US Government and Turkey adore Albania. There is no nation in Europe that is so dedicated to crime and criminal activity as Albania is. Even their Govt ministers are driving around in stolen vehicles.
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Março de 2018, 13:17
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 13:06
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:53
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:44
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:41
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:39
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:36
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:26
Serbia is special case... violence is genetic since first world war 😂😂
Would should that mean now? Throughout our history we have never been violent, or attacking anyone first. And First World War was a defensive war ( Austro-Hungary declared war on us, using Ferdinand's assassination as a pretext) in which we had a number of glorious victories and suffered a great deal, retreating over Albania and breaking through the Salonica front.
I Know who start 😎 but what I mean is that Balkans always violent. Since wwI and then in Yugoslavia times.
It's an habit.
The Balkans are at the intersection of many roads, making it a desirable target for many foreign powers. So, yes, we are used to defending ourselves and unfortunately, had to go through a number of wars.
Violence is violence 😂 defensive or attacking 😛 and we get use to.
Goes deep in the soul 😁
Historically the Balkans was fairly civilised before the Turks started their cultural experiment there - that experiment is still ongoing with their colony nations like Albania, Bosnia, ''Kosovo'' always ready for violence at any level etc. Serbs are a civilised bunch. I met plenty of them. Can't say the same for those in the colony nations.
I'm biased, but while there are bad apples in every basket, I would say that you are right. Albanian fans were stoning Legia Warsaw players only because they had one Serb in their team. That is unthinkable in Serbia. Or that drone carrying the map of Greater Albania.
It is also a well-known fact that they live off drug business in " Kosovo". When our famous writer Dobrica Cosic said that Albanians " indebted European culture" only by building medieval walls around their houses, he enraged NGOs. But that is true...no success in sports ( except for judo), no success in art ( apart from Ismail Kadare), no success in science. No success in anything, to be honest, apart from dealing drugs. It may sound racist, but it is actually true.
And yes, prior to Turkish occupation these parts never had any of these issues.
I would say as well as a drugs, Albanians are number 1 for people trafficking. Whether in London, Paris or the eastern block - if there is a sex slave or people illegally moved across continental Europe - 90% of the time there is an Albanian gang involved. In London they have controlled the vice there for decades. Same in Paris. Drugs, people trafficking, prostitution etc.. all Albanian controlled.
That is remarkable considering 1/ how few Albanians there are in these nations and yet their criminal infrastructure is insane. 2/ how nearly all of them entered these nations illegally themselves in order to set up these criminal gangs and they rarely get deported 3/ Think of all the other foreign nationals they have kept from these criminal industries. Russians, Romanians, North Africans - no one can dent the control Albanians have on these industries in Paris and London. 4/ how the US Government and Turkey adore Albania. There is no nation in Europe that is so dedicated to crime and criminal activity as Albania is. Even their Govt ministers are driving around in stolen vehicles.
I remember that there was a scandal when the captain of Iceland football team said, when they were playing in Tirana: We have been told not to leave our hotel..because Albanians are mostly criminals :rir: He must have heard it from people in Scandinavia. A month ago, the apartment of the niece of Ramush Haradinaj " president of Kosovo" was blown up in Sweden. He was released from Hague, even though he, among other things, masterminded organs trafficking/theft of Serbs they killed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_theft_in_Kosovo
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 13:26
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Março de 2018, 13:17
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 13:06
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:53
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:44
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:41
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:39
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:36
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:26
Serbia is special case... violence is genetic since first world war 😂😂
Would should that mean now? Throughout our history we have never been violent, or attacking anyone first. And First World War was a defensive war ( Austro-Hungary declared war on us, using Ferdinand's assassination as a pretext) in which we had a number of glorious victories and suffered a great deal, retreating over Albania and breaking through the Salonica front.
I Know who start 😎 but what I mean is that Balkans always violent. Since wwI and then in Yugoslavia times.
It's an habit.
The Balkans are at the intersection of many roads, making it a desirable target for many foreign powers. So, yes, we are used to defending ourselves and unfortunately, had to go through a number of wars.
Violence is violence 😂 defensive or attacking 😛 and we get use to.
Goes deep in the soul 😁
Historically the Balkans was fairly civilised before the Turks started their cultural experiment there - that experiment is still ongoing with their colony nations like Albania, Bosnia, ''Kosovo'' always ready for violence at any level etc. Serbs are a civilised bunch. I met plenty of them. Can't say the same for those in the colony nations.
I'm biased, but while there are bad apples in every basket, I would say that you are right. Albanian fans were stoning Legia Warsaw players only because they had one Serb in their team. That is unthinkable in Serbia. Or that drone carrying the map of Greater Albania.
It is also a well-known fact that they live off drug business in " Kosovo". When our famous writer Dobrica Cosic said that Albanians " indebted European culture" only by building medieval walls around their houses, he enraged NGOs. But that is true...no success in sports ( except for judo), no success in art ( apart from Ismail Kadare), no success in science. No success in anything, to be honest, apart from dealing drugs. It may sound racist, but it is actually true.
And yes, prior to Turkish occupation these parts never had any of these issues.
I would say as well as a drugs, Albanians are number 1 for people trafficking. Whether in London, Paris or the eastern block - if there is a sex slave or people illegally moved across continental Europe - 90% of the time there is an Albanian gang involved. In London they have controlled the vice there for decades. Same in Paris. Drugs, people trafficking, prostitution etc.. all Albanian controlled.
That is remarkable considering 1/ how few Albanians there are in these nations and yet their criminal infrastructure is insane. 2/ how nearly all of them entered these nations illegally themselves in order to set up these criminal gangs and they rarely get deported 3/ Think of all the other foreign nationals they have kept from these criminal industries. Russians, Romanians, North Africans - no one can dent the control Albanians have on these industries in Paris and London. 4/ how the US Government and Turkey adore Albania. There is no nation in Europe that is so dedicated to crime and criminal activity as Albania is. Even their Govt ministers are driving around in stolen vehicles.
I remember that there was a scandal when the captain of Iceland football team said, when they were playing in Tirana: We have been told not to leave our hotel..because Albanians are mostly criminals :rir: He must have heard it from people in Scandinavia. A month ago, the apartment of the niece of Ramush Haradinaj " president of Kosovo" was blown up in Sweden. He was released from Hague, even though he, among other things, masterminded organs trafficking/theft of Serbs they killed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_theft_in_Kosovo
People go on a lot about interference of the US and NATO in the Middle East. They forget the absurd support the US and NATO has given to Albania - politically and militarily. Whenever Greece gets into issues with a neighbour - NATO and the US turn their backs. Greece left NATO for that very reason - only to crawl back in later. Albania - for some absurd reason - is a treasured ally and yet historically Greece has been on the right side of the major conflicts and sacrificed huge amounts of citizens - for example WW2..
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Março de 2018, 13:30
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 13:26
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Março de 2018, 13:17
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 13:06
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:53
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:44
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:41
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:39
Citação de: StellaRojas em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:36
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 07 de Março de 2018, 12:26
Serbia is special case... violence is genetic since first world war 😂😂
Would should that mean now? Throughout our history we have never been violent, or attacking anyone first. And First World War was a defensive war ( Austro-Hungary declared war on us, using Ferdinand's assassination as a pretext) in which we had a number of glorious victories and suffered a great deal, retreating over Albania and breaking through the Salonica front.
I Know who start 😎 but what I mean is that Balkans always violent. Since wwI and then in Yugoslavia times.
It's an habit.
The Balkans are at the intersection of many roads, making it a desirable target for many foreign powers. So, yes, we are used to defending ourselves and unfortunately, had to go through a number of wars.
Violence is violence 😂 defensive or attacking 😛 and we get use to.
Goes deep in the soul 😁
Historically the Balkans was fairly civilised before the Turks started their cultural experiment there - that experiment is still ongoing with their colony nations like Albania, Bosnia, ''Kosovo'' always ready for violence at any level etc. Serbs are a civilised bunch. I met plenty of them. Can't say the same for those in the colony nations.
I'm biased, but while there are bad apples in every basket, I would say that you are right. Albanian fans were stoning Legia Warsaw players only because they had one Serb in their team. That is unthinkable in Serbia. Or that drone carrying the map of Greater Albania.
It is also a well-known fact that they live off drug business in " Kosovo". When our famous writer Dobrica Cosic said that Albanians " indebted European culture" only by building medieval walls around their houses, he enraged NGOs. But that is true...no success in sports ( except for judo), no success in art ( apart from Ismail Kadare), no success in science. No success in anything, to be honest, apart from dealing drugs. It may sound racist, but it is actually true.
And yes, prior to Turkish occupation these parts never had any of these issues.
I would say as well as a drugs, Albanians are number 1 for people trafficking. Whether in London, Paris or the eastern block - if there is a sex slave or people illegally moved across continental Europe - 90% of the time there is an Albanian gang involved. In London they have controlled the vice there for decades. Same in Paris. Drugs, people trafficking, prostitution etc.. all Albanian controlled.
That is remarkable considering 1/ how few Albanians there are in these nations and yet their criminal infrastructure is insane. 2/ how nearly all of them entered these nations illegally themselves in order to set up these criminal gangs and they rarely get deported 3/ Think of all the other foreign nationals they have kept from these criminal industries. Russians, Romanians, North Africans - no one can dent the control Albanians have on these industries in Paris and London. 4/ how the US Government and Turkey adore Albania. There is no nation in Europe that is so dedicated to crime and criminal activity as Albania is. Even their Govt ministers are driving around in stolen vehicles.
I remember that there was a scandal when the captain of Iceland football team said, when they were playing in Tirana: We have been told not to leave our hotel..because Albanians are mostly criminals :rir: He must have heard it from people in Scandinavia. A month ago, the apartment of the niece of Ramush Haradinaj " president of Kosovo" was blown up in Sweden. He was released from Hague, even though he, among other things, masterminded organs trafficking/theft of Serbs they killed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_theft_in_Kosovo
People go on a lot about interference of the US and NATO in the Middle East. They forget the absurd support the US and NATO has given to Albania - politically and militarily. Whenever Greece gets into issues with a neighbour - NATO and the US turn their backs. Greece left NATO for that very reason - only to crawl back in later. Albania - for some absurd reason - is a treasured ally and yet historically Greece has been on the right side of the major conflicts and sacrificed huge amounts of citizens - for example WW2..
Аlbania is the Trojan horse of the USA in the Balkans. The reason, I believe, is that they do not want strong countries in that part of the world, so they are using " the mischievous and violent guy" of the Balkans to always be at the throat of its many neighbors, using them as a sort of a threat if they decide to raise their heads up a bit. But, for that same reason, they will not allow Greater Albania in the Balkans, unless they manage to break away so that they can not be controlled, like Frankenstein's monster, or to use a more real example, Al Qaeda. But that is unlikely because none of their neighbors likes them, so they will always need support.
Say Albania decide to press ahead one day with a great Albania -and unify all the areas they have out-bred the locals in. I recon Turkey will be militarily ready to support the project within seconds. US and NATO will condemn the move publicly - but privately they will be like.. :whistle2: Greece will cry to the EU who will not answer the phone anyway once they see a +30 dialling code number on their phone.
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Março de 2018, 13:41
Say Albania decide to press ahead one day with a great Albania -and unify all the areas they have out-bred the locals in. I recon Turkey will be militarily ready to support the project within seconds. US and NATO will condemn the move publicly - but privately they will be like.. :whistle2: Greece will cry to the EU who will not answer the phone anyway once they see a +30 dialling code number on their phone.
The Balkans have taken a backseat in American geopolitical plans, but not that much I would say. They will not let anyone else rule the roost in their playground: neither Turkey nor Russia. Especially now, that they are having it rough with the sultan Erdogan.
Someone asked a few years ago about the size of Athens. This video published today has drone footage of the new AEK stadium and some beautiful visuals of the northern Athenian suburbs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLXbj1HlXmo
Big game tomorow.
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Março de 2018, 14:07
Big game tomorow.
Big league title game... without fans 😎😁😂
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Março de 2018, 14:07
Big game tomorow.
It will be a decider.
AEK arrived at Salonika airport today. 500 AEK fans saw them to the airport. :crazy2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQzlRgH0Ng0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pise65Lq02U
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5115260.ece/BINARY/w620/4398863.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/car/article5115248.ece/BINARY/w620/99.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWiystEHh0M
AEK think if they can win this game, the league is over.
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Março de 2018, 14:52
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Março de 2018, 14:07
Big game tomorow.
It will be a decider.
AEK arrived at Salonika airport today. 500 AEK fans saw them to the airport. :crazy2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQzlRgH0Ng0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pise65Lq02U
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5115260.ece/BINARY/w620/4398863.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/car/article5115248.ece/BINARY/w620/99.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWiystEHh0M
AEK think if they can win this game, the league is over.
You don't appreciate their effort?
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Março de 2018, 15:24
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Março de 2018, 14:52
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Março de 2018, 14:07
Big game tomorow.
It will be a decider.
AEK arrived at Salonika airport today. 500 AEK fans saw them to the airport. :crazy2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQzlRgH0Ng0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pise65Lq02U
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5115260.ece/BINARY/w620/4398863.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/car/article5115248.ece/BINARY/w620/99.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWiystEHh0M
AEK think if they can win this game, the league is over.
You don't appreciate their effort?
I do, but you must also remember a good chunk of them are these guys..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx2Swa0M8nU
Sometimes they use their love for their club as an excuse for violence.
UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE
A fucking judge.. at 3 AM - has just announced the PAOK punishment was too harsh and rescinded their punishment. They get the 3 points back and a full Toumba vs AEK.
:disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust:
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Março de 2018, 23:36
UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE
A fucking judge.. at 3 AM - has just announced the PAOK punishment was too harsh and rescinded their punishment. They get the 3 points back and a full Toumba vs AEK.
:disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust:
LOL
Citação de: Arceus_17 em 10 de Março de 2018, 23:47
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Março de 2018, 23:36
UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE
A fucking judge.. at 3 AM - has just announced the PAOK punishment was too harsh and rescinded their punishment. They get the 3 points back and a full Toumba vs AEK.
:disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust:
LOL
LOL??
LOL?????
I am fucking mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas:
Gotta love Greece :smitten:
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Março de 2018, 23:48
Citação de: Arceus_17 em 10 de Março de 2018, 23:47
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Março de 2018, 23:36
UN FUCKING BELIEVABLE
A fucking judge.. at 3 AM - has just announced the PAOK punishment was too harsh and rescinded their punishment. They get the 3 points back and a full Toumba vs AEK.
:disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust: :disgust:
LOL
LOL??
LOL?????
I am fucking mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas:
What a fuck 🙈🙈 Greece is a no laws land 😂
What's the punishment for paok? More money?
Just 30 fucking thousand euros.
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 00:56
Just 30 fucking thousand euros.
And lost the game against Olympiacos or it will be played in another day?
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 11 de Março de 2018, 01:01
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 00:56
Just 30 fucking thousand euros.
And lost the game against Olympiacos or it will be played in another day?
The game awarded 0-3 to Olympiacos..
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 01:04
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 11 de Março de 2018, 01:01
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 00:56
Just 30 fucking thousand euros.
And lost the game against Olympiacos or it will be played in another day?
The game awarded 0-3 to Olympiacos..
At least 3 points to Olympiacos 😁 and tomorrow they do again some shit in Tumba and it's done 😁😂
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 11 de Março de 2018, 01:19
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 01:04
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 11 de Março de 2018, 01:01
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 00:56
Just 30 fucking thousand euros.
And lost the game against Olympiacos or it will be played in another day?
The game awarded 0-3 to Olympiacos..
At least 3 points to Olympiacos 😁 and tomorrow they do again some shit in Tumba and it's done 😁😂
Even if it happens, they will just appeal and get their own way. The message is loud and clear - PAOK are untouchable. When Ivic played the victim at PAO last season - minus 3 to PAO and game given to PAOK and PAO has games behind closed doors.
PAOK have fucking mopeds hanging from the stands, hit our coach with a till roll - their fans attempt to break into our changing rooms - a war rages outside the door as MAT battle them.. outside they put 2 police in hospital and have a major riot - and the game is given to Olympiacos and a small fine.. no other punishment.
Sickening.
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 01:38
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 11 de Março de 2018, 01:19
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 01:04
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 11 de Março de 2018, 01:01
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 00:56
Just 30 fucking thousand euros.
And lost the game against Olympiacos or it will be played in another day?
The game awarded 0-3 to Olympiacos..
At least 3 points to Olympiacos 😁 and tomorrow they do again some shit in Tumba and it's done 😁😂
Even if it happens, they will just appeal and get their own way. The message is loud and clear - PAOK are untouchable. When Ivic played the victim at PAO last season - minus 3 to PAO and game given to PAOK and PAO has games behind closed doors.
PAOK have fucking mopeds hanging from the stands, hit our coach with a till roll - their fans attempt to break into our changing rooms - a war rages outside the door as MAT battle them.. outside they put 2 police in hospital and have a major riot - and the game is given to Olympiacos and a small fine.. no other punishment.
Sickening.
Crazy Greek sport justice...🙈
I'm fucking mad right now...
Is it just for laughs gags? >:( :estrelas:
Citação de: StellaRojas em 11 de Março de 2018, 15:28
Is it just for laughs gags? >:( :estrelas:
AEK365 called the decision unprecedented and unbelievable!
PAO said the decision is the product of a scandalous political intervention.
Olympiacos is just baffled.
Tsiartas is confused.
In fact all of Greece besides PAOK is baffled. PAOK lawyers are now pushing to get the entire punishment overturned!
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 15:35
Citação de: StellaRojas em 11 de Março de 2018, 15:28
Is it just for laughs gags? >:( :estrelas:
AEK365 called the decision unprecedented and unbelievable!
PAO said the decision is the product of a scandalous political intervention.
Olympiacos is just baffled.
Tsiartas is confused.
In fact all of Greece besides PAOK is baffled. PAOK lawyers are now pushing to get the entire punishment overturned!
Can't believe it...Eventually, the match might be registered 3:0 for them :o They obviously have a very strong political background.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 11 de Março de 2018, 16:26
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 15:35
Citação de: StellaRojas em 11 de Março de 2018, 15:28
Is it just for laughs gags? >:( :estrelas:
AEK365 called the decision unprecedented and unbelievable!
PAO said the decision is the product of a scandalous political intervention.
Olympiacos is just baffled.
Tsiartas is confused.
In fact all of Greece besides PAOK is baffled. PAOK lawyers are now pushing to get the entire punishment overturned!
Can't believe it...Eventually, the match might be registered 3:0 for them :o They obviously have a very strong political background.
Huge political backing and last season. Syriza MPs were openly defending PAOK too on Twitter. PAOK fans are rioting in the centre today too. Smashing cars, attacking police etc. Every other club is making fun of the political support PAOK have.
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29062676_10213253530506107_6901124991157567240_n.jpg?oh=95d850ca6c4220d74c8c6914f90b7cc3&oe=5B35F79A)
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29025616_10216301096388732_8320665186495102976_n.jpg?oh=0cf53072eebbed17638f9b8c431f464f&oe=5B33E2D5)
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29027370_2010186382569246_3729597738392748032_n.jpg?oh=26adc2d3ccc101fcb6397903a70cad4d&oe=5B37EEF0)
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29025469_2023135251232489_6824221093992135748_n.jpg?oh=5112023a18d996850649c41049e386f2&oe=5B4979A8)
Anyways, game starts in 30 mins. Def going to watch it.
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 16:48
Citação de: StellaRojas em 11 de Março de 2018, 16:26
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 15:35
Citação de: StellaRojas em 11 de Março de 2018, 15:28
Is it just for laughs gags? >:( :estrelas:
AEK365 called the decision unprecedented and unbelievable!
PAO said the decision is the product of a scandalous political intervention.
Olympiacos is just baffled.
Tsiartas is confused.
In fact all of Greece besides PAOK is baffled. PAOK lawyers are now pushing to get the entire punishment overturned!
Can't believe it...Eventually, the match might be registered 3:0 for them :o They obviously have a very strong political background.
Huge political backing and last season. Syriza MPs were openly defending PAOK too on Twitter. PAOK fans are rioting in the centre today too. Smashing cars, attacking police etc. Every other club is making fun of the political support PAOK have.
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29062676_10213253530506107_6901124991157567240_n.jpg?oh=95d850ca6c4220d74c8c6914f90b7cc3&oe=5B35F79A)
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29025616_10216301096388732_8320665186495102976_n.jpg?oh=0cf53072eebbed17638f9b8c431f464f&oe=5B33E2D5)
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29027370_2010186382569246_3729597738392748032_n.jpg?oh=26adc2d3ccc101fcb6397903a70cad4d&oe=5B37EEF0)
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29025469_2023135251232489_6824221093992135748_n.jpg?oh=5112023a18d996850649c41049e386f2&oe=5B4979A8)
Anyways, game starts in 30 mins. Def going to watch it.
Prijovic is in a great company...is not difficult to score :whistle2:
I would watch it too, but I do not have a link...and even if I had, it is difficult because I have to write something. :-X
Greek football is played more out of the field than in the field.
What a crazy thing.
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 11 de Março de 2018, 17:10
Greek football is played more out of the field than in the field.
What a crazy thing.
Same here.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 11 de Março de 2018, 17:00
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 16:48
Citação de: StellaRojas em 11 de Março de 2018, 16:26
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 15:35
Citação de: StellaRojas em 11 de Março de 2018, 15:28
Is it just for laughs gags? >:( :estrelas:
AEK365 called the decision unprecedented and unbelievable!
PAO said the decision is the product of a scandalous political intervention.
Olympiacos is just baffled.
Tsiartas is confused.
In fact all of Greece besides PAOK is baffled. PAOK lawyers are now pushing to get the entire punishment overturned!
Can't believe it...Eventually, the match might be registered 3:0 for them :o They obviously have a very strong political background.
Huge political backing and last season. Syriza MPs were openly defending PAOK too on Twitter. PAOK fans are rioting in the centre today too. Smashing cars, attacking police etc. Every other club is making fun of the political support PAOK have.
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29062676_10213253530506107_6901124991157567240_n.jpg?oh=95d850ca6c4220d74c8c6914f90b7cc3&oe=5B35F79A)
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29025616_10216301096388732_8320665186495102976_n.jpg?oh=0cf53072eebbed17638f9b8c431f464f&oe=5B33E2D5)
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29027370_2010186382569246_3729597738392748032_n.jpg?oh=26adc2d3ccc101fcb6397903a70cad4d&oe=5B37EEF0)
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29025469_2023135251232489_6824221093992135748_n.jpg?oh=5112023a18d996850649c41049e386f2&oe=5B4979A8)
Anyways, game starts in 30 mins. Def going to watch it.
Prijovic is in a great company...is not difficult to score :whistle2:
I would watch it too, but I do not have a link...and even if I had, it is difficult because I have to write something. :-X
http://idimsports.eu/watch/633780/1/watch-paok-vs-aek-athens-fc.html
AEK better win this shit.
Citação de: Covenant em 11 de Março de 2018, 17:38
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 11 de Março de 2018, 17:10
Greek football is played more out of the field than in the field.
What a crazy thing.
Same here.
Greece a bit worst... Greece is like Portugal and Italy in the 80's.
40 years delay 😛
Vieirinha is PAOK captain 🙈 says everything about the club 😂
Fcporto mafia school 😎
Not bad - 5 yellows - fouling each other to shit. Can't ask for more - except maybe a PAOK fan ruining the game again..
What a mess :2funny:
Boring game but at least there's some fun now ;D
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 11 de Março de 2018, 19:32
Boring game but at least there's some fun now ;D
Did you see? The queen rat came out her nest and tried to get the PAOK players to leave the pitch and Vieirinha stopped him. :rir: :rir:
Still trying to understand what happened. The ref overturned his decision, the goal was disallowed and chaos began :rir:
What you think boys, should the goal have been allowed?
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 11 de Março de 2018, 19:41
Still trying to understand what happened. The ref overturned his decision, the goal was disallowed and chaos began :rir:
Exactly that. Then the PAOK queen rat Savvidis came on the pitch and told the PAOK players to leave the pitch.
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 19:41
What you think boys, should the goal have been allowed?
It's really difficult. I don't think the goalkepper would've saved it anyway
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 11 de Março de 2018, 19:43
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 19:41
What you think boys, should the goal have been allowed?
It's really difficult. I don't think the goalkepper would've saved it anyway
AEK said Mauricio touched it. He didn't.
However it can be argued Mauricio was interfering with play in an offside position.
However... I agree, the keeper would never have got it anyway.
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 19:41
What you think boys, should the goal have been allowed?
It´s not a easy call.. With var i would maybe allow it as one of the replays makes me belive that the GK was not disturbed in his actions by the offside player. Without var i would probably disallowed it. But i accept both outcomes.
How it ended?
Citação de: Covenant em 11 de Março de 2018, 19:54
How it ended?
It didn't. Waiting for everybody to come out to play the last minutes. If they do not come out - big trouble.
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 19:57
Citação de: Covenant em 11 de Março de 2018, 19:54
How it ended?
It didn't. Waiting for everybody to come out to play the last minutes. If they do not come out - big trouble.
Every weekend is the same shit 😂😂
Greece should close.
During the chaos - remember when a PAOK official went up to the ref and said something in his ear - then gesticulated widly?
(https://i.snag.gy/VuJ32x.jpg)
That was Lubos Michel - PAOK technical director and what he was saying to the ref is : 'YOU'RE FINISHED.'
:estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas:
That my friends is corruption live in the flesh.
According to AEK FC, Ivan Savvidis attacked Vassilis Dimitriadis (AEK Official)!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Close this country and sell it to the turks. There is no hope.
Simoes and Vieirinha have been called to the ref's locker room to talk with him. :crazy2:
Citação de: Schweisen Tiger em 11 de Março de 2018, 20:12
Close this country and sell it to the turks. There is no hope.
Why would the Turks pay for what they can just take? We already have wall to wall Turkish soaps on during the day! :rir:
Lubos Michel also attacked a Nova reporter! :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2:
When Savvidis came on the pitch he was armed.
(https://i.imgur.com/vrR5Pny.jpg)
:o :o :o :o
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 20:07
During the chaos - remember when a PAOK official went up to the ref and said something in his ear - then gesticulated widly?
(https://i.snag.gy/VuJ32x.jpg)
That was Lubos Michel - PAOK technical director and what he was saying to the ref is : 'YOU'RE FINISHED.'
:estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas:
That my friends is corruption live in the flesh.
He was a referee, what a irony...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0jsUnIonAA
PAOK fans streaming out the stadium, had enough after 1 hour and 20 minutes of nothing..
(https://i.snag.gy/194JxR.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Março de 2018, 20:07
During the chaos - remember when a PAOK official went up to the ref and said something in his ear - then gesticulated widly?
(https://i.snag.gy/VuJ32x.jpg)
That was Lubos Michel - PAOK technical director and what he was saying to the ref is : 'YOU'RE FINISHED.'
:estrelas: :estrelas: :estrelas:
That my friends is corruption live in the flesh.
What a truly Olympic spirit :boxing:
PAOK fans now leaving the stadium in numbers - however it may be just to burn down the area with rage.. before coming back into the stadium to finish their frappe and cigarettes.
According to AEK, Ivan Savvides told Kominis (ref) "you are dead"!
AEK complaining about Savvidis's automatic pistol! Say they don't feel safe!
Get ready for it...
Ref said game to continue!!!!!
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
So everything forgotten as usual with PAOK - Savvidis illegally storming the pitch - armed - and threatening the ref's life. Lubos Michel attacking a Nova reporter and telling the ref he is finished. Savvidis attacking an AEK official. And all the rest..
PAOK never finishes is games @Tumba 🙈🙈
What a shame 😂
Game over for PAOK. Game cancelled.
Well done AEK and Tiger on this one for refusing to return to the pitch. Correct move imo - I would have done the same.
Looks like it will be Oly and AEK in the CL next season.
PAOK can send their fans to Syria to help out Putin and enjoy the Europa Cup.
Happy with this.
If I was PAOK I would demand that EPO official who overturned their last -3 at 3am this morning - to judge the case. ;D
PAOK could be in massive massive trouble..
CitaçãoKominis, following the assistant Pontiki, canceled the goal scored by Varela in the 90 '. According to AEK, Ivan Savvidis during his invasion of the Toumba field said by addressing the referee, Giorgos Komini: "You are dead".
Shortly afterwards he complained about the armed forces of PAOK FC's owner. Article 19 of the Disciplinary Code speaks of up to and including relegation of a team if there is intimidation and threats to officials of a match. In particular, the following are stated:
"Anyone falling under this code who is intimidating an official of the fight
or any person in charge of threatening football in general will be punished by
a fine of at least fifty thousand euros (50,000), and a blockade of racing or
a ban on entering the stadium from three (3) to five (5) years.
If a group is responsible, penalties are imposed depending on the seriousness of the offense:
a. conducting a race without spectators,
b. grade deductions and
c. group demotion ".
PAOK could be relegated.
:drunk: :drunk: :drunk: :drunk: :drunk: :drunk: :drunk:
Bizarrely the ref gave the game to PAOK - 1-0 and said AEK stayed in the locker rooms because of safety fears.
Ref must have been petrified - this sums up what happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GZqMUf9QsU&feature=youtu.be&t=583
If the ref admits Savvidis threatened his life in his match report - he may as well go into the witness protection program. The Greek version will probably reinvent the poor bastard as this:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3X9QbXbNZ-g/maxresdefault.jpg)
PAOK are very badly wounded by this. As a result I can see Tsipras cancelling the league to protect them.
He does this in politics too. In Greece it is illegal to deny the Greek Genocide. However in 2015 the Greek Education Minister (!!) publicly denied the Greek Genocide sparking outrage. Tsipras was asked to act. He hid for a week and we he finally did make a statement - no one cared anymore. The minister needless to say was not prosecuted and even kept his job as minister!
The same could happen now to protect PAOK. As it stands what they have done is relegation worthy according to article 19 of the Greek football code. I think Tsipras may cancel the league to buy PAOK time. Remember - Tsipras was the one who most likely influenced the judge's decision to give PAOK back their 3 points at 3am this morning.
wild wild west
:D
What a crazy country.
In here we had the leader of Porto's Ultras (Super Dragões) with a megafone insulting the goalkeeper in a penalty. Brahimi missed the penalty. :rir: :rir:
In Greece we had a president entering the pitch with a gun to intimidate a referee.
That's another level of craziness. ;D
Citação de: Cloughie em 12 de Março de 2018, 04:37
What a crazy country.
In here we had the leader of Porto's Ultras (Super Dragões) with a megafone insulting the goalkeeper in a penalty. Brahimi missed the penalty. :rir: :rir:
In Greece we had a president entering the pitch with a gun to intimidate a referee.
That's another level of craziness. ;D
https://youtu.be/yVllR6ISq6c
Carrying a firearm into a sporting venue in Greece is illegal believe it or not. Seriously so.
Savvidis's arrest warrant has been issued:
(https://i.snag.gy/0fCcpY.jpg)
Let's catch this guy. First places to check the Syriza offices in Salonika and Boutaris' closet (Boutaris is the communist mayor of Salonika always apologising for violence and backing PAOK).
:smokin: :smokin:
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Panathinaikos FC administration has just made a public statement concerning the league being closed. Said closing the league is always a failed resolution. PAO FC states closing the league only favours PAOK and damages all the other teams in the league.
Olympiacos agrees. AEK was angry at the league being closed. Xanthi just released a statement attacking the Government for closing the league too. I agree with them too. The closure suits PAOK and damages every other team. Only team not to complain about the league being stopped? PAOK.
Pas Giannina wins today, right? :)
Citação de: tnlemos em 12 de Março de 2018, 14:06
Pas Giannina wins today, right? :)
They would have been easy favourites to win their game today, but sadly the Greek league has been closed by the communist government - indefinitely - with no indication as to what it will take for the league to start again. :crazy2:
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Março de 2018, 14:09
Citação de: tnlemos em 12 de Março de 2018, 14:06
Pas Giannina wins today, right? :)
They would have been easy favourites to win their game today, but sadly the Greek league has been closed by the communist government - indefinitely - with no indication as to what it will take for the league to start again. :crazy2:
Really? I heard about it but i didnt read the news about PAOK - AEK incident...
No match today?
Well, it was a serious incident... At least something should be done about that, football is sick...
Too much money and corruption, unfair systems like the Champions League, low values on club's administrations, etc, etc...
Citação de: tnlemos em 12 de Março de 2018, 14:15
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Março de 2018, 14:09
Citação de: tnlemos em 12 de Março de 2018, 14:06
Pas Giannina wins today, right? :)
They would have been easy favourites to win their game today, but sadly the Greek league has been closed by the communist government - indefinitely - with no indication as to what it will take for the league to start again. :crazy2:
Really? I heard about it but i didnt read the news about PAOK - AEK incident...
No match today?
Well, it was a serious incident... At least something should be done about that, football is sick...
Too much money and corruption, unfair systems like the Champions League, low values on club's administrations, etc, etc...
League cancelled indefinitely. Happens a lot in Greece, nothing changes each time. Only thing that will change Greece is proper law and order.
32 waiting to win the league, and when you have finally all the things in favor, what you do?
Blow it all with stupidity.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 12 de Março de 2018, 17:55
32 waiting to win the league, and when you have finally all the things in favor, what you do?
Blow it all with stupidity.
In the last 3 weeks PAOK have....
- PAOK technical director assaulted Asteras staff after PAOK lost 3-2 to Asteras - live on TV.
PAOK hooligan threw a till roll that hit Oscar in the mouth. Their fans then went on to riot outside the stadium putting police in hospital. Other fans broke into the stadium and tried to break into the Oly dressing room.
PAOK fans raided the city of Lamia smashing everything.. :crazy2:
PAOK hooligans invaded Salonika railway services stopping trains.
PAOK hooligans raided ERT forcing the channel to broadcast live 5 minutes of pure shit.
PAOK hooligans tried to take over Macedonia airport.
PAOK president invaded the pitch and threatened the ref live on TV while armed.
PAOK technical director told the same ref he would never work again and assaulted a AEK official.
This is just in 3 weeks... and the punishment? League closed and Tsipras said 'everybody' will be made to pay?? :rir:
Savidis be like:
https://youtu.be/9RTqYkc53j0?t=1m53s
But he did not dare to take it to the next level... :disgust:
<br />(https://thumb.ibb.co/f8Cbxn/FB_IMG_1520885739902.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f8Cbxn)<br />
PAOK be like... Chuck Norris 😂😂
I think Simoes reads this forum. His statement is remarkably similar to what we have been saying here.
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Março de 2018, 20:17
I think Simoes reads this forum. His statement is remarkably similar to what we have been saying here.
I'm pretty sure he's a Porto fan, but I might be wrong.
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 12 de Março de 2018, 20:16
<br />(https://thumb.ibb.co/f8Cbxn/FB_IMG_1520885739902.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f8Cbxn)<br />
PAOK be like... Chuck Norris 😂😂
Citação de: StellaRojas em 12 de Março de 2018, 19:45
Savidis be like:
https://youtu.be/9RTqYkc53j0?t=1m53s
But he did not dare to take it to the next level... :disgust:
:rir: :rir: :rir:
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29066556_10211848093777540_3878155580510044160_n.jpg?oh=54c94abbf6f4ec8f0daecf3a25e319b0&oe=5B4183E3)
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29027081_584575585238366_4285726553881216863_n.jpg?_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeHBovtVxTcuMJQPKZf4VhejTMP2fWH4Nj52kavJEmMCALqqWBM-5xWQ4m7B3crrvJaHzFxQmZe-o8USIre4jOHRe7INM22GD4kHkvL0RQ_wKQ&oh=eca8d1c74537739b5b9e7cc976d64460&oe=5B37E2B0)
Citação de: Calcio em 12 de Março de 2018, 20:39
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Março de 2018, 20:17
I think Simoes reads this forum. His statement is remarkably similar to what we have been saying here.
I'm pretty sure he's a Porto fan, but I might be wrong.
Could be, but how he phrased his statement and seeing as no one else phrased it like that in all of Greece - including the foreign players - it is verbatim what I said on this forum. I think he reads this forum. I never say that about players or journalists unless I feel it strongly. Tonnes of Greek journalists read my forum and steal my ideas too. Nothing I can do about it.
Seems most ordinary Greeks didn't want the league stopped either. They know what Tsipras's game is.
(https://i.snag.gy/EQMoA9.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Março de 2018, 22:55
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 12 de Março de 2018, 20:16
<br />(https://thumb.ibb.co/f8Cbxn/FB_IMG_1520885739902.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f8Cbxn)<br />
PAOK be like... Chuck Norris 😂😂
Citação de: StellaRojas em 12 de Março de 2018, 19:45
Savidis be like:
https://youtu.be/9RTqYkc53j0?t=1m53s
But he did not dare to take it to the next level... :disgust:
:rir: :rir: :rir:
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29066556_10211848093777540_3878155580510044160_n.jpg?oh=54c94abbf6f4ec8f0daecf3a25e319b0&oe=5B4183E3)
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29027081_584575585238366_4285726553881216863_n.jpg?_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeHBovtVxTcuMJQPKZf4VhejTMP2fWH4Nj52kavJEmMCALqqWBM-5xWQ4m7B3crrvJaHzFxQmZe-o8USIre4jOHRe7INM22GD4kHkvL0RQ_wKQ&oh=eca8d1c74537739b5b9e7cc976d64460&oe=5B37E2B0)
Sorry, it was this legendary moment actually that Savidis reminded me of:
https://youtu.be/oSsRt1dB4_U?t=1m53s
He was just a bit more restrained..
Hahahaha - it even looks like him!! ;D ;D
Seeing as the ref changed his mind and awarded the goal once he saw Savvidis's gun - I was reminded of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GZqMUf9QsU&feature=youtu.be&t=583
What is the connection between PAOK and Syriza/Tsipras?
Citação de: Calcio em 12 de Março de 2018, 20:39
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Março de 2018, 20:17
I think Simoes reads this forum. His statement is remarkably similar to what we have been saying here.
I'm pretty sure he's a Porto fan, but I might be wrong.
No.
(https://thumbs.web.sapo.io/?epic=YWQ1Xzb71xLd0vsDaS3LW50cIr2+GLuwg+G9a451eszIJZ7rF0yszfx0Mt7A+TyT2iOarkl/hyj8DDVb4MpSRrmdXblOkjIdDjVxZEV4xI+AXlM=&W=800&H=0&delay_optim=1)
He is a Son of a bitch.
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Março de 2018, 23:29
Hahahaha - it even looks like him!! ;D ;D
Seeing as the ref changed his mind and awarded the goal once he saw Savvidis's gun - I was reminded of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GZqMUf9QsU&feature=youtu.be&t=583
:rir:
Well, indignant grandpa PAOK fan who was a kid when PAOK last won the title ( well almost) storming onto the pitch in his wheelchair and shooting rifle into the air- is about the only thing we are left to see in the Greek league this year.
Citação de: Cloughie em 13 de Março de 2018, 03:57
What is the connection between PAOK and Syriza/Tsipras?
Tsipras and many government members are PAOK fans...
Citação de: Cloughie em 13 de Março de 2018, 03:57
What is the connection between PAOK and Syriza/Tsipras?
Goes back 2 years to when PAOK, AEK and PAO began an alliance to topple Olympiacos. There are lots of pictures of all 3 owners cuddling and laughing together from that time. They would even give out joint statements saying Olympiacos is finished. They pooled all their resources. Tsipras helped them take over the league. PAOK choice of EPO president was accepted - a fool called Grammenos who is about to resign because he is up to his eyeballs in the mess. The stupid triumvirate soon broke up as the owners fell out after one of their teams would beat another. :estrelas: They would accuse the other owner of cheating... ^-^
So fast forward... the triumvirate is broken but still controls the EPO and the Goverment still chooses PAOK to champion and protect at all costs as PAO become debt ridden and slides down the table and AEK turns on PAOK. That is why the league was closed - to shield PAOK. Syriza tried to paint this as an all team problem but seeing as all clubs are against the closure besides PAOK and all fans are also against the closure, Syriza has had to mention PAOK more as the reason for the closure.
Finally PAOK hooligans are ANTIFA and Tsipras shields them 24/7. After everything they have done - not one arrest in the last week.
Savvidis said 'sorry' but that he is a victim..he said he was only protecting 1000s of PAOK fans? :confused: :confused: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Ottoman village defence.. usually works in Greece..
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/a3/a37b5661e15650d56d28e28b0db9b812ed36e4025d47bba444cf7ead386cf413.jpg)
Government under big pressure as clubs, pundits and fans all want the league restarted - minus Syriza and PAOK of course.
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President of the Super League George Stratos has asked for an immediate resumption of the Super league - said the cancellation of the league is bizarre and there are already statutes in place to punish PAOK.
=====================================
Police federation released a statement - unprecedented in Greece. They don't understand why Savvidis has not been arrested yet? They want to know who is protecting him who in the Govt !!!! :bow2: :bow2: :bow2: :bow2:
http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/superleague/article/1208376/gia-poion-logo-den-synelifthi-o-proedros-tis-pae-paok
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Also - the PAOK supporter who threw the till roll at Garcia has had his case postponed again to June 8th!! His lawyer asked for postponement and judge instantly agreed! The last postponement was his lawyer telling the judge he has diarrhoea..
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Paok/article5096350.ece/BINARY/w620/4.jpg)
:crazy2:
How much energy and expectations Serbs and Greeks place into football...a person would say that we are the two most talented European nations for that sport. And that is far from truth.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 13 de Março de 2018, 22:52
How much energy and expectations Serbs and Greeks place into football...a person would say that we are the two most talented European nations for that sport. And that is far from truth.
I think the problem is with the Balkans is we are nations of: 'it didn't hit him that hard for him to complain' - rather than most other more civilised countries that are like, 'that guy needs to be prosecuted for assault and banned for life.'
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29176895_860668934105288_4911040575011151034_n.jpg?_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeFW3ucSGRRTQ5z9Hz4ee1l9s3DdsnGii1f6CE3_D8S1rcw-YAMki-99zA84tq34RSBKoG5pfViBvrvksvwU5xesVMVYZPA5hsv8px0kP1tW5Q&oh=7e27646287cec791d7dc10f65f6bba5c&oe=5B0316E0)
Watch this guys - this is what happens when any teams play at Toumba over the years. Enjoy:
https://www.facebook.com/athepgr/videos/2061581227433684/
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Watch this guys - this is what happens when any teams play at Toumba over the years. Enjoy:
https://www.facebook.com/athepgr/videos/2061581227433684/
Incredible.
What is the background of this man? Is he 100% Greek? How come there is a Greek settlement in Georgia? His website says: " Ivan Ignyatievich Savvidis was born the 8th child into a working-class family. He started working at tobacco factory in Rostov at the age of 21 and graduated from the University of Economics in Rostov at the age of 29". Hm...how one goes all the way from working at a tobacco factory to being one of the wealthiest men in Russia? :confused:
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Citação de: Londrino-85 em 13 de Março de 2018, 11:01
https://www.transfermarkt.com/dimitrios-meliopoulos/profil/spieler/416484
Alguém conhece este trinco? Parece ser interessante...
(https://scontent.fbeg5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29178975_2011044895835697_6329412039038992384_n.jpg?oh=045e9ba84e8ef49261f88f98575494e5&oe=5B30C95E)
BIG BOSS we all know that you are a very polite and nice Person and we all know how many people in need you helped.We are your Soldiers on the field.We stand all together with you !!! 💪👍🏴🏳
:amigo:
When asked which team he supported in Serbia, Prijovic said that he did not want to answer because of PAOK fans. :knuppel2:
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 09:15
(https://scontent.fbeg5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29178975_2011044895835697_6329412039038992384_n.jpg?oh=045e9ba84e8ef49261f88f98575494e5&oe=5B30C95E)
BIG BOSS we all know that you are a very polite and nice Person and we all know how many people in need you helped.We are your Soldiers on the field.We stand all together with you !!! 💪👍🏴🏳
:amigo:
When asked which team he supported in Serbia, Prijovic said that he did not want to answer because of PAOK fans. :knuppel2:
Well he couldn't be more explicit :rir:
Citação de: Arceus_17 em 14 de Março de 2018, 10:26
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 09:15
(https://scontent.fbeg5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29178975_2011044895835697_6329412039038992384_n.jpg?oh=045e9ba84e8ef49261f88f98575494e5&oe=5B30C95E)
BIG BOSS we all know that you are a very polite and nice Person and we all know how many people in need you helped.We are your Soldiers on the field.We stand all together with you !!! 💪👍🏴🏳
:amigo:
When asked which team he supported in Serbia, Prijovic said that he did not want to answer because of PAOK fans. :knuppel2:
Well he couldn't be more explicit :rir:
He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named
A comment one Serbian guy wrote as a parody of that Prijovic's comment:
Big boss, they hung you on that pistol, but I know that you would never do anything of that kind. But, big boss, you are of small stature, so they hung you against your own will.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 07:40
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Watch this guys - this is what happens when any teams play at Toumba over the years. Enjoy:
Incredible.
What is the background of this man? Is he 100% Greek? How come there is a Greek settlement in Georgia? His website says: " Ivan Ignyatievich Savvidis was born the 8th child into a working-class family. He started working at tobacco factory in Rostov at the age of 21 and graduated from the University of Economics in Rostov at the age of 29". Hm...how one goes all the way from working at a tobacco factory to being one of the wealthiest men in Russia? :confused:
Savvidis is what is known as a Pontic Greek. Spaeks no Greek (but most Pontians speak a very old dialect of Greek - actually very close to ancient Greek) - but definitely descended from black sea Greeks. Most of them have now be repatriated back to Greece. Melissanidis is also a Pontic Greek BTW.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks
Savvidis is a close and personal friend of Putin. Savvidis was also in the Russian Parliament as an MP at one stage!! Fuck knows how he made his millions... :estrelas:
Citação de: Calcio em 14 de Março de 2018, 08:17
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Citação de: Londrino-85 em 13 de Março de 2018, 11:01
https://www.transfermarkt.com/dimitrios-meliopoulos/profil/spieler/416484
Alguém conhece este trinco? Parece ser interessante...
I saw him against Olympiacos. Plays CB or DM. Talented. Made a big mistake vs Olympiacos that lead to a goal but clearly he has a future. Good pace - good touch.
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:17
Citação de: Calcio em 14 de Março de 2018, 08:17
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Citação de: Londrino-85 em 13 de Março de 2018, 11:01
https://www.transfermarkt.com/dimitrios-meliopoulos/profil/spieler/416484
Alguém conhece este trinco? Parece ser interessante...
I saw him against Olympiacos. Plays CB or DM. Talented. Made a big mistake vs Olympiacos that lead to a goal but clearly he has a future. Good pace - good touch.
Thanks, he has stats of a hot prospect indeed!
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:11
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 07:40
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Watch this guys - this is what happens when any teams play at Toumba over the years. Enjoy:
Incredible.
What is the background of this man? Is he 100% Greek? How come there is a Greek settlement in Georgia? His website says: " Ivan Ignyatievich Savvidis was born the 8th child into a working-class family. He started working at tobacco factory in Rostov at the age of 21 and graduated from the University of Economics in Rostov at the age of 29". Hm...how one goes all the way from working at a tobacco factory to being one of the wealthiest men in Russia? :confused:
Savvidis is what is known as a Pontic Greek. Spaeks no Greek - but descended from black sea Greeks. Most of them have now be repatriated back to Greece. Melissanidis is also a Pontic Greek BTW.
Savvidis is a close and personal friend of Putin. Savvidis was also in the Russian Parliament as an MP at one stage!! Fuck knows how he made his millions... :estrelas:
This is one that we all will know more about is fortune when Putin dies 😂😂
He is washing money for the Russian elite for sure.
Citação de: Londrino-85 em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:18
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:17
Citação de: Calcio em 14 de Março de 2018, 08:17
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Citação de: Londrino-85 em 13 de Março de 2018, 11:01
https://www.transfermarkt.com/dimitrios-meliopoulos/profil/spieler/416484
Alguém conhece este trinco? Parece ser interessante...
I saw him against Olympiacos. Plays CB or DM. Talented. Made a big mistake vs Olympiacos that lead to a goal but clearly he has a future. Good pace - good touch.
Thanks, he has stats of a hot prospect indeed!
Is he being mentioned in portugal? Olympiacos have been sniffing around him since last summer.
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:19
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:11
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 07:40
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Watch this guys - this is what happens when any teams play at Toumba over the years. Enjoy:
Incredible.
What is the background of this man? Is he 100% Greek? How come there is a Greek settlement in Georgia? His website says: " Ivan Ignyatievich Savvidis was born the 8th child into a working-class family. He started working at tobacco factory in Rostov at the age of 21 and graduated from the University of Economics in Rostov at the age of 29". Hm...how one goes all the way from working at a tobacco factory to being one of the wealthiest men in Russia? :confused:
Savvidis is what is known as a Pontic Greek. Spaeks no Greek - but descended from black sea Greeks. Most of them have now be repatriated back to Greece. Melissanidis is also a Pontic Greek BTW.
Savvidis is a close and personal friend of Putin. Savvidis was also in the Russian Parliament as an MP at one stage!! Fuck knows how he made his millions... :estrelas:
This is one that we all will know more about is fortune when Putin dies 😂😂
He is washing money for the Russian elite for sure.
No one asks about all that. They are just happy he is spending money.. He is also constantly trying to get other Russians to part with their money in northern Greece in big projects.
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:20
Citação de: Londrino-85 em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:18
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:17
Citação de: Calcio em 14 de Março de 2018, 08:17
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Citação de: Londrino-85 em 13 de Março de 2018, 11:01
https://www.transfermarkt.com/dimitrios-meliopoulos/profil/spieler/416484
Alguém conhece este trinco? Parece ser interessante...
I saw him against Olympiacos. Plays CB or DM. Talented. Made a big mistake vs Olympiacos that lead to a goal but clearly he has a future. Good pace - good touch.
Thanks, he has stats of a hot prospect indeed!
Is he being mentioned in portugal? Olympiacos have been sniffing around him since last summer.
Nah, I just try to be aware of the new hot prospects and he called my attention in Greece. You think he would be better than Benfica's hot prospects?
Citação de: Londrino-85 em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:27
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:20
Citação de: Londrino-85 em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:18
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:17
Citação de: Calcio em 14 de Março de 2018, 08:17
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Citação de: Londrino-85 em 13 de Março de 2018, 11:01
https://www.transfermarkt.com/dimitrios-meliopoulos/profil/spieler/416484
Alguém conhece este trinco? Parece ser interessante...
I saw him against Olympiacos. Plays CB or DM. Talented. Made a big mistake vs Olympiacos that lead to a goal but clearly he has a future. Good pace - good touch.
Thanks, he has stats of a hot prospect indeed!
Is he being mentioned in portugal? Olympiacos have been sniffing around him since last summer.
Nah, I just try to be aware of the new hot prospects and he called my attention in Greece. You think he would be better than Benfica's hot prospects?
I have not seen enough of him to say that. What shocked me is watching him I thought he was 28. When I realised he was only 17 I was shocked.
http://www.sdna.gr/podosfairo/superleague/article/424598/olympiakos-arese-o-meliopoylos-tis-ksanthis
If Benfica want him - they should take him now and not wait for the Greek system to corrupt his talent the way it did with Samaris.
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:32
Citação de: Londrino-85 em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:27
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:20
Citação de: Londrino-85 em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:18
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:17
Citação de: Calcio em 14 de Março de 2018, 08:17
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Citação de: Londrino-85 em 13 de Março de 2018, 11:01
https://www.transfermarkt.com/dimitrios-meliopoulos/profil/spieler/416484
Alguém conhece este trinco? Parece ser interessante...
I saw him against Olympiacos. Plays CB or DM. Talented. Made a big mistake vs Olympiacos that lead to a goal but clearly he has a future. Good pace - good touch.
Thanks, he has stats of a hot prospect indeed!
Is he being mentioned in portugal? Olympiacos have been sniffing around him since last summer.
Nah, I just try to be aware of the new hot prospects and he called my attention in Greece. You think he would be better than Benfica's hot prospects?
I have not seen enough of him to say that. What shocked me is watching him I thought he was 28. When I realised he was only 17 I was shocked.
http://www.sdna.gr/podosfairo/superleague/article/424598/olympiakos-arese-o-meliopoylos-tis-ksanthis
If Benfica want him - they should take him now and not wait for the Greek system to corrupt his talent the way it did with Samaris.
I texted our scout, so let's see. But I'm sure he's very aware of Greek League.
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:11
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 07:40
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Watch this guys - this is what happens when any teams play at Toumba over the years. Enjoy:
Incredible.
What is the background of this man? Is he 100% Greek? How come there is a Greek settlement in Georgia? His website says: " Ivan Ignyatievich Savvidis was born the 8th child into a working-class family. He started working at tobacco factory in Rostov at the age of 21 and graduated from the University of Economics in Rostov at the age of 29". Hm...how one goes all the way from working at a tobacco factory to being one of the wealthiest men in Russia? :confused:
Savvidis is what is known as a Pontic Greek. Spaeks no Greek (but most Pontians speak a very old dialect of Greek - actually very close to ancient Greek) - but definitely descended from black sea Greeks. Most of them have now be repatriated back to Greece. Melissanidis is also a Pontic Greek BTW.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks
Savvidis is a close and personal friend of Putin. Savvidis was also in the Russian Parliament as an MP at one stage!! Fuck knows how he made his millions... :estrelas:
So, to paraphrase, you are basically saying: Savvidis' money is like a sausage. You do not want to know how it was made.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:05
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:11
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 07:40
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Watch this guys - this is what happens when any teams play at Toumba over the years. Enjoy:
Incredible.
What is the background of this man? Is he 100% Greek? How come there is a Greek settlement in Georgia? His website says: " Ivan Ignyatievich Savvidis was born the 8th child into a working-class family. He started working at tobacco factory in Rostov at the age of 21 and graduated from the University of Economics in Rostov at the age of 29". Hm...how one goes all the way from working at a tobacco factory to being one of the wealthiest men in Russia? :confused:
Savvidis is what is known as a Pontic Greek. Spaeks no Greek (but most Pontians speak a very old dialect of Greek - actually very close to ancient Greek) - but definitely descended from black sea Greeks. Most of them have now be repatriated back to Greece. Melissanidis is also a Pontic Greek BTW.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks
Savvidis is a close and personal friend of Putin. Savvidis was also in the Russian Parliament as an MP at one stage!! Fuck knows how he made his millions... :estrelas:
So, to paraphrase, you are basically saying: Savvidis' money is like a sausage. You do not want to know how it was made.
For PAOK fans yes. Normal Greeks think who the fuck is this guy?
I remember his first press conference. He was explaining in Russian he was a descendant of Byzantine noblemen or some shit. Knew immediately he was mad.
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:07
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:05
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:11
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 07:40
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Watch this guys - this is what happens when any teams play at Toumba over the years. Enjoy:
Incredible.
What is the background of this man? Is he 100% Greek? How come there is a Greek settlement in Georgia? His website says: " Ivan Ignyatievich Savvidis was born the 8th child into a working-class family. He started working at tobacco factory in Rostov at the age of 21 and graduated from the University of Economics in Rostov at the age of 29". Hm...how one goes all the way from working at a tobacco factory to being one of the wealthiest men in Russia? :confused:
Savvidis is what is known as a Pontic Greek. Spaeks no Greek (but most Pontians speak a very old dialect of Greek - actually very close to ancient Greek) - but definitely descended from black sea Greeks. Most of them have now be repatriated back to Greece. Melissanidis is also a Pontic Greek BTW.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks
Savvidis is a close and personal friend of Putin. Savvidis was also in the Russian Parliament as an MP at one stage!! Fuck knows how he made his millions... :estrelas:
So, to paraphrase, you are basically saying: Savvidis' money is like a sausage. You do not want to know how it was made.
For PAOK fans yes. Normal Greeks think who the fuck is this guy?
I remember his first press conference. He was explaining in Russian he was a descendant of Byzantine noblemen or some shit. Knew immediately he was mad.
:rir:
Serbs are mad in the same way.In our family mythology, we all claim descendence from medieval Serbian noble families or the very Nemanjic dynasty even. I remember when I was at this large family reunion, they were talking about how we descended from this guy whose mother was the niece of the tsar Dushan. I was like: wtf :estrelas:
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:16
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:07
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:05
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:11
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 07:40
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Watch this guys - this is what happens when any teams play at Toumba over the years. Enjoy:
Incredible.
What is the background of this man? Is he 100% Greek? How come there is a Greek settlement in Georgia? His website says: " Ivan Ignyatievich Savvidis was born the 8th child into a working-class family. He started working at tobacco factory in Rostov at the age of 21 and graduated from the University of Economics in Rostov at the age of 29". Hm...how one goes all the way from working at a tobacco factory to being one of the wealthiest men in Russia? :confused:
Savvidis is what is known as a Pontic Greek. Spaeks no Greek (but most Pontians speak a very old dialect of Greek - actually very close to ancient Greek) - but definitely descended from black sea Greeks. Most of them have now be repatriated back to Greece. Melissanidis is also a Pontic Greek BTW.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks
Savvidis is a close and personal friend of Putin. Savvidis was also in the Russian Parliament as an MP at one stage!! Fuck knows how he made his millions... :estrelas:
So, to paraphrase, you are basically saying: Savvidis' money is like a sausage. You do not want to know how it was made.
For PAOK fans yes. Normal Greeks think who the fuck is this guy?
I remember his first press conference. He was explaining in Russian he was a descendant of Byzantine noblemen or some shit. Knew immediately he was mad.
:rir:
Serbs are mad in the same way.In our family mythology, we all claim descendence from medieval Serbian noble families or the very Nemanjic dynasty even. I remember when I was at this large family reunion, they were talking about how we descended from this guy whose mother was the niece of the tsar Dushan. I was like: wtf :estrelas:
I think I can beat that story. My grandfather (Papou is the word for Grandfather in Greek) believed - 100% - wait for it - that he was a direct descendant of Alexander the Great. He truly believed it. He used to lift the sleeve of his shirt and bang on his veins of his arm saying 'in these veins runs the blood of Alexander the Great.' There was no doubt in his mind. Interestingly his surname was Megas..
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:21
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:16
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:07
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:05
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:11
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 07:40
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Watch this guys - this is what happens when any teams play at Toumba over the years. Enjoy:
Incredible.
What is the background of this man? Is he 100% Greek? How come there is a Greek settlement in Georgia? His website says: " Ivan Ignyatievich Savvidis was born the 8th child into a working-class family. He started working at tobacco factory in Rostov at the age of 21 and graduated from the University of Economics in Rostov at the age of 29". Hm...how one goes all the way from working at a tobacco factory to being one of the wealthiest men in Russia? :confused:
Savvidis is what is known as a Pontic Greek. Spaeks no Greek (but most Pontians speak a very old dialect of Greek - actually very close to ancient Greek) - but definitely descended from black sea Greeks. Most of them have now be repatriated back to Greece. Melissanidis is also a Pontic Greek BTW.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks
Savvidis is a close and personal friend of Putin. Savvidis was also in the Russian Parliament as an MP at one stage!! Fuck knows how he made his millions... :estrelas:
So, to paraphrase, you are basically saying: Savvidis' money is like a sausage. You do not want to know how it was made.
For PAOK fans yes. Normal Greeks think who the fuck is this guy?
I remember his first press conference. He was explaining in Russian he was a descendant of Byzantine noblemen or some shit. Knew immediately he was mad.
:rir:
Serbs are mad in the same way.In our family mythology, we all claim descendence from medieval Serbian noble families or the very Nemanjic dynasty even. I remember when I was at this large family reunion, they were talking about how we descended from this guy whose mother was the niece of the tsar Dushan. I was like: wtf :estrelas:
I think I can beat that story. My grandfather (Papou is the word for Grandfather in Greek) believed - 100% - wait for it - that he was a direct descendant of Alexander the Great. He truly believed it. He used to lift the sleeve of his shirt and bang on his veins of his arm saying 'in these veins runs the blood of Alexander the Great.' There was no doubt in his mind. Interestingly his surname was Megas..
:rir:
Your Papou had a great argument in every discussion: He was right, because...well, Alexander the Great.
The last emperor of the Byzantine Empire, Constantine XI Palaiologos, had a Serbian mother. He was so fond of her, that he styled himself as Constantine XI Dragases (Dragash), rather than using his dynastic name. One of my best friend's last name is Dragash and his first name is- Konstantin. So not only am I of noble origins but I also have noble best friends. :smokin: ;D That is what I call: Choose your friends.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 14:02
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:21
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:16
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:07
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:05
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:11
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 07:40
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Watch this guys - this is what happens when any teams play at Toumba over the years. Enjoy:
Incredible.
What is the background of this man? Is he 100% Greek? How come there is a Greek settlement in Georgia? His website says: " Ivan Ignyatievich Savvidis was born the 8th child into a working-class family. He started working at tobacco factory in Rostov at the age of 21 and graduated from the University of Economics in Rostov at the age of 29". Hm...how one goes all the way from working at a tobacco factory to being one of the wealthiest men in Russia? :confused:
Savvidis is what is known as a Pontic Greek. Spaeks no Greek (but most Pontians speak a very old dialect of Greek - actually very close to ancient Greek) - but definitely descended from black sea Greeks. Most of them have now be repatriated back to Greece. Melissanidis is also a Pontic Greek BTW.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks
Savvidis is a close and personal friend of Putin. Savvidis was also in the Russian Parliament as an MP at one stage!! Fuck knows how he made his millions... :estrelas:
So, to paraphrase, you are basically saying: Savvidis' money is like a sausage. You do not want to know how it was made.
For PAOK fans yes. Normal Greeks think who the fuck is this guy?
I remember his first press conference. He was explaining in Russian he was a descendant of Byzantine noblemen or some shit. Knew immediately he was mad.
:rir:
Serbs are mad in the same way.In our family mythology, we all claim descendence from medieval Serbian noble families or the very Nemanjic dynasty even. I remember when I was at this large family reunion, they were talking about how we descended from this guy whose mother was the niece of the tsar Dushan. I was like: wtf :estrelas:
I think I can beat that story. My grandfather (Papou is the word for Grandfather in Greek) believed - 100% - wait for it - that he was a direct descendant of Alexander the Great. He truly believed it. He used to lift the sleeve of his shirt and bang on his veins of his arm saying 'in these veins runs the blood of Alexander the Great.' There was no doubt in his mind. Interestingly his surname was Megas..
:rir:
Your Papou had a great argument in every discussion: He was right, because...well, Alexander the Great.
The last emperor of the Byzantine Empire, Constantine XI Palaiologos, had a Serbian mother. He was so fond of her, that he styled himself as Constantine XI Dragases (Dragash), rather than using his dynastic name. One of my best friend's last name is Dragash and his first name is- Konstantin. So not only am I of noble origins but I also have noble best friends. :smokin: ;D That is what I call: Choose your friends.
Considering how small the population of the ancient Balkans was - we probably do have all these noble bloods swirling around to some degree. I mean there must be around 3 million greeks who look almost identical to Nikos Pappas so most Greeks are interrelated to a ridiculous degree.. Even down to his naturally sarcastic Greek expression..
(https://www.basketnews.lt/paveikslelis-150694-vbg.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 14:12
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 14:02
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:21
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:16
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:07
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:05
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:11
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 07:40
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Watch this guys - this is what happens when any teams play at Toumba over the years. Enjoy:
Incredible.
What is the background of this man? Is he 100% Greek? How come there is a Greek settlement in Georgia? His website says: " Ivan Ignyatievich Savvidis was born the 8th child into a working-class family. He started working at tobacco factory in Rostov at the age of 21 and graduated from the University of Economics in Rostov at the age of 29". Hm...how one goes all the way from working at a tobacco factory to being one of the wealthiest men in Russia? :confused:
Savvidis is what is known as a Pontic Greek. Spaeks no Greek (but most Pontians speak a very old dialect of Greek - actually very close to ancient Greek) - but definitely descended from black sea Greeks. Most of them have now be repatriated back to Greece. Melissanidis is also a Pontic Greek BTW.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks
Savvidis is a close and personal friend of Putin. Savvidis was also in the Russian Parliament as an MP at one stage!! Fuck knows how he made his millions... :estrelas:
So, to paraphrase, you are basically saying: Savvidis' money is like a sausage. You do not want to know how it was made.
For PAOK fans yes. Normal Greeks think who the fuck is this guy?
I remember his first press conference. He was explaining in Russian he was a descendant of Byzantine noblemen or some shit. Knew immediately he was mad.
:rir:
Serbs are mad in the same way.In our family mythology, we all claim descendence from medieval Serbian noble families or the very Nemanjic dynasty even. I remember when I was at this large family reunion, they were talking about how we descended from this guy whose mother was the niece of the tsar Dushan. I was like: wtf :estrelas:
I think I can beat that story. My grandfather (Papou is the word for Grandfather in Greek) believed - 100% - wait for it - that he was a direct descendant of Alexander the Great. He truly believed it. He used to lift the sleeve of his shirt and bang on his veins of his arm saying 'in these veins runs the blood of Alexander the Great.' There was no doubt in his mind. Interestingly his surname was Megas..
:rir:
Your Papou had a great argument in every discussion: He was right, because...well, Alexander the Great.
The last emperor of the Byzantine Empire, Constantine XI Palaiologos, had a Serbian mother. He was so fond of her, that he styled himself as Constantine XI Dragases (Dragash), rather than using his dynastic name. One of my best friend's last name is Dragash and his first name is- Konstantin. So not only am I of noble origins but I also have noble best friends. :smokin: ;D That is what I call: Choose your friends.
Considering how small the population of the ancient Balkans was - we probably do have all these noble bloods swirling around to some degree. I mean there must be around 3 million greeks who look almost identical to Nikos Pappas so most Greeks are interrelated to a ridiculous degree.. Even down to his naturally sarcastic Greek expression..
(https://www.basketnews.lt/paveikslelis-150694-vbg.jpg)
Just saying...people here should be happy that descendants of Alexander the Great and tsar Dushan are writing on their forum :rir:
Serbs come in all shapes and colours but..our coach Alimpijevic and player Lazic:
(http://www.butasport.rs/wp-content/uploads/branko-lazic-i-alimpijevic.jpg)
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 14:36
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 14:12
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 14:02
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:21
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:16
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:07
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 13:05
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Março de 2018, 12:11
Citação de: StellaRojas em 14 de Março de 2018, 07:40
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Março de 2018, 23:24
Watch this guys - this is what happens when any teams play at Toumba over the years. Enjoy:
Incredible.
What is the background of this man? Is he 100% Greek? How come there is a Greek settlement in Georgia? His website says: " Ivan Ignyatievich Savvidis was born the 8th child into a working-class family. He started working at tobacco factory in Rostov at the age of 21 and graduated from the University of Economics in Rostov at the age of 29". Hm...how one goes all the way from working at a tobacco factory to being one of the wealthiest men in Russia? :confused:
Savvidis is what is known as a Pontic Greek. Spaeks no Greek (but most Pontians speak a very old dialect of Greek - actually very close to ancient Greek) - but definitely descended from black sea Greeks. Most of them have now be repatriated back to Greece. Melissanidis is also a Pontic Greek BTW.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greeks
Savvidis is a close and personal friend of Putin. Savvidis was also in the Russian Parliament as an MP at one stage!! Fuck knows how he made his millions... :estrelas:
So, to paraphrase, you are basically saying: Savvidis' money is like a sausage. You do not want to know how it was made.
For PAOK fans yes. Normal Greeks think who the fuck is this guy?
I remember his first press conference. He was explaining in Russian he was a descendant of Byzantine noblemen or some shit. Knew immediately he was mad.
:rir:
Serbs are mad in the same way.In our family mythology, we all claim descendence from medieval Serbian noble families or the very Nemanjic dynasty even. I remember when I was at this large family reunion, they were talking about how we descended from this guy whose mother was the niece of the tsar Dushan. I was like: wtf :estrelas:
I think I can beat that story. My grandfather (Papou is the word for Grandfather in Greek) believed - 100% - wait for it - that he was a direct descendant of Alexander the Great. He truly believed it. He used to lift the sleeve of his shirt and bang on his veins of his arm saying 'in these veins runs the blood of Alexander the Great.' There was no doubt in his mind. Interestingly his surname was Megas..
:rir:
Your Papou had a great argument in every discussion: He was right, because...well, Alexander the Great.
The last emperor of the Byzantine Empire, Constantine XI Palaiologos, had a Serbian mother. He was so fond of her, that he styled himself as Constantine XI Dragases (Dragash), rather than using his dynastic name. One of my best friend's last name is Dragash and his first name is- Konstantin. So not only am I of noble origins but I also have noble best friends. :smokin: ;D That is what I call: Choose your friends.
Considering how small the population of the ancient Balkans was - we probably do have all these noble bloods swirling around to some degree. I mean there must be around 3 million greeks who look almost identical to Nikos Pappas so most Greeks are interrelated to a ridiculous degree.. Even down to his naturally sarcastic Greek expression..
(https://www.basketnews.lt/paveikslelis-150694-vbg.jpg)
Just saying...people here should be happy that descendants of Alexander the Great and tsar Dushan are writing on their forum :rir:
Serbs come in all shapes and colours but..our coach Alimpijevic and player Lazic:
(http://www.butasport.rs/wp-content/uploads/branko-lazic-i-alimpijevic.jpg)
Def. Our posts and natural humility reflect our noble origins. :rir:
Any news about the league?
http://www.ekathimerini.com/226532/article/ekathimerini/sports/giannakopoulos-bids-to-buy-panathinaikos-soccer-club-rebuild-olympic-stadium
Wow!! This is big!
Citação de: Covenant em 19 de Março de 2018, 06:39
http://www.ekathimerini.com/226532/article/ekathimerini/sports/giannakopoulos-bids-to-buy-panathinaikos-soccer-club-rebuild-olympic-stadium
Wow!! This is big!
I think it is idiotic. Dimitri is trying to make the biggest property deal in Greece. Greece loses the OAKA stadium and the biggest basketball arena in the Balkans. Dimitri knocks down the basket arena - it is not even old.. and replaces it with a smaller 15k. He also demolishes a third of the OAKA stadium - putting two stupid stands at one side like Levadiakos would..
(https://i.snag.gy/s3eA2B.jpg)
The Greek state/ Greek people loses the biggest two arenas in the Balkans and PAO gets a smaller basketball arena.. :crazy2: and a mutated OAKA:
No Government anyhere on earth would allow such a crappy development and loss of state assets. However Syriza are very fond of Dimitri... so it could happen..
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Março de 2018, 14:02
Citação de: Covenant em 19 de Março de 2018, 06:39
http://www.ekathimerini.com/226532/article/ekathimerini/sports/giannakopoulos-bids-to-buy-panathinaikos-soccer-club-rebuild-olympic-stadium
Wow!! This is big!
I think it is idiotic. Dimitri is trying to make the biggest property deal in Greece. Greece loses the OAKA stadium and the biggest basketball arena in the Balkans. Dimitri knocks down the basket arena - it is not even old.. and replaces it with a smaller 15k. He also demolishes a third of the OAKA stadium - putting two stupid stands at one side like Levadiakos would..
(https://i.snag.gy/s3eA2B.jpg)
The Greek state/ Greek people loses the biggest two arenas in the Balkans and PAO gets a smaller basketball arena.. :crazy2: and a mutated OAKA:
No Government anyhere on earth would allow such a crappy development and loss of state assets. However Syriza are very fond of Dimitri... so it could happen..
Bigger is not the best everytime...
Maybe smaller but more functional.
It depends of the price he wants to pay.
Two stands... hahahahaha
Citação de: Fernando_SLB em 19 de Março de 2018, 14:11
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Março de 2018, 14:02
Citação de: Covenant em 19 de Março de 2018, 06:39
http://www.ekathimerini.com/226532/article/ekathimerini/sports/giannakopoulos-bids-to-buy-panathinaikos-soccer-club-rebuild-olympic-stadium
Wow!! This is big!
I think it is idiotic. Dimitri is trying to make the biggest property deal in Greece. Greece loses the OAKA stadium and the biggest basketball arena in the Balkans. Dimitri knocks down the basket arena - it is not even old.. and replaces it with a smaller 15k. He also demolishes a third of the OAKA stadium - putting two stupid stands at one side like Levadiakos would..
(https://i.snag.gy/s3eA2B.jpg)
The Greek state/ Greek people loses the biggest two arenas in the Balkans and PAO gets a smaller basketball arena.. :crazy2: and a mutated OAKA:
No Government anyhere on earth would allow such a crappy development and loss of state assets. However Syriza are very fond of Dimitri... so it could happen..
Bigger is not the best everytime...
Maybe smaller but more functional.
It depends of the price he wants to pay.
So Greece - the birth place of the Olympics - will have no great Olympic stadium - but PAO get a badly designed weird Levadiakos style stadium? Greece loses the biggest and most modern Basketball arena in the Balkans - it gets demolished - Greece is a famous Basketball nation - and PAO builds a smaller basketball arena just for PAO?
No serious Govt would allow this.
And the league? Any news?
Citação de: Calcio em 19 de Março de 2018, 14:17
Two stands... hahahahaha
It is a joke.. terrible design..
Citação de: Covenant em 19 de Março de 2018, 14:40
And the league? Any news?
Ref at the PAOK game Kominis gave his evidence today (was too afraid to go to court last week).
Ruling expected Weds.
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Syriza is hilarious. What makes me laugh is Syriza's new implementations to 'fix' the league. They are so Greek it is unbelievable. One is this:
If a club experiences two riots (pitch invasions) in a season - instant demotion. So first riot is free - because you know... there may be reasons for that riot.. and everyone needs to break heads occassionally to let off anger.. :crazy2: But the second riot!! pwwpwwpww - then you are fucked my friend.. So that limits the number of riots allowed in a Super League season to 16 - before someone gets demoted. :rir:
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Turns out the one who begged the Syriza Govt for the Championchip to be suspended after the Savvidis pitch invasion was in fact - none other than Grammenos - PAOK appointed head of the EPO!! :D
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/oristiki-diakopi-tou-prwtathlimatos-zitise-o-grammenos/3507348
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Remember the clearly corrupt presiding judge Dimitris Skouteri who at 1am decided to allow PAOK to have fans vs AEK and give them back their points? He is going to be prosecuted for being the corrupt piece of shit he is.
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/peitharxiki-diwksi-ston-dikasti-skouteri-gia-tin-wra-pou-egine-gnwsti-i-apofasi/3507344
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If everyone agrees to Syriza's loon ideas - the league will most probably start after Easter.
That way the Greek league finish after the world cup 😂😂
4 clubs refused to sign the communist sports minister package for reforms. AEL, PAO, Olympiacos and Xanthi.
Everything moves to monday.
AEK's stadium coming on fast. All the videos now have heavy rock.. Iron Maiden etc.. :crazy2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZqpqYPzGW4
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Março de 2018, 15:20
4 clubs refused to sign the communist sports minister package for reforms. AEL, PAO, Olympiacos and Xanthi.
Everything moves to monday.
AEK's stadium coming on fast. All the videos now have heavy rock.. Iron Maiden etc.. :crazy2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZqpqYPzGW4
Heavy metal. ❤️
It gets worse for Grammenos (president of the EPO) and the EPO.
After hours of discussing Greek football with Grammenos, FIFA did not believe his excuses for why the PAOK-AEK has not resulted in any punishments so far. They smell a big rat and believe he is shielding PAOK. They also thought the Super League suspension was meaningless and that the sports minister's remedies he made all clubs sign was garbage. Grexit could still happen. They are demanding immediate strict penalties for PAOK - this tells me Grammenos' explanations to FIFA about the potential punishments he would give to PAOK were laughed at.
http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/orato-to-grexit-me-anastolh-gia-thn-ellada.5140059.html
Grammenos (appointed by PAOK) has no other option to resign now. He has been caught trying to artificially shield PAOK and FIFA have no faith in him.
FIFA is recommending that Greece been thrown out UEFA and FIFA!
They made recommendations to the EPO a month ago to sort out the situation in Greece, the EPO did not implement 1 recommendation. They also are fully aware that the EPO is protecting PAOK who have destroyed Greek football this year.
As a result, this morning, the EPO immediately handed down PAOK's punishment realising they could not stall anymore. -3 points this season, -2 at the start of next season and a 3 year ban for Savvidis from stadia and a fine of €100,000. Michel €15,000 fine and 3 months ban. PAOK get 3 games behind closed doors and €63,000 fine.
For attacking Asteras staff: €5000 fine and the guy who attacked the staff - a 45 day ban.. Of course PAOK will appeal all of this and they have judges in their pocket - like the one who overturned their last punishment that lead to this whole mess - Dimitris Skouteri.
Where all the teams now stand:
1. AEK 57
2. Olympiacos 50
3. PAOK 49
4. Atromitos 47
Well... atleast those fuckwits won't be champions :D
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Março de 2018, 11:35
Well... atleast those fuckwits won't be champions :D
No Champion in Greece this season... superleague will finish in Christmas 😂
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Março de 2018, 11:35
Well... atleast those fuckwits won't be champions :D
O0 O0 O0 O0
It is a good point. There is definitely a warm feeling knowing PAOK will not win a SL this season. 1985 was the last time they won and they only have 2. Aris are the bigger club with 3 championships. :)
Olympiacos now needs to win every game left.
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Março de 2018, 12:41
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Março de 2018, 11:35
Well... atleast those fuckwits won't be champions :D
O0 O0 O0 O0
It is a good point. There is definitely a warm feeling knowing PAOK will not win a SL this season. 1985 was the last time they won and they only have 2. Aris are the bigger club with 3 championships. :)
Olympiacos now needs to win every game left.
Ofcourse! :tocha:
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Março de 2018, 12:44
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Março de 2018, 12:41
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Março de 2018, 11:35
Well... atleast those fuckwits won't be champions :D
O0 O0 O0 O0
It is a good point. There is definitely a warm feeling knowing PAOK will not win a SL this season. 1985 was the last time they won and they only have 2. Aris are the bigger club with 3 championships. :)
Olympiacos now needs to win every game left.
Ofcourse! :tocha:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GjA4z2DObM
:tocha: :tocha: :tocha: :tocha:
All indications they will be back this summer in the SL. OFI might beat them to the title though. Will be good to have both those boys back.
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Março de 2018, 13:06
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Março de 2018, 12:44
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Março de 2018, 12:41
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Março de 2018, 11:35
Well... atleast those fuckwits won't be champions :D
O0 O0 O0 O0
It is a good point. There is definitely a warm feeling knowing PAOK will not win a SL this season. 1985 was the last time they won and they only have 2. Aris are the bigger club with 3 championships. :)
Olympiacos now needs to win every game left.
Ofcourse! :tocha:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GjA4z2DObM
:tocha: :tocha: :tocha: :tocha:
All indications they will be back this summer in the SL. OFI might beat them to the title though. Will be good to have both those boys back.
OFI are a Crete village team, right? What do they bring to the table?
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Março de 2018, 13:07
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Março de 2018, 13:06
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Março de 2018, 12:44
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Março de 2018, 12:41
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Março de 2018, 11:35
Well... atleast those fuckwits won't be champions :D
O0 O0 O0 O0
It is a good point. There is definitely a warm feeling knowing PAOK will not win a SL this season. 1985 was the last time they won and they only have 2. Aris are the bigger club with 3 championships. :)
Olympiacos now needs to win every game left.
Ofcourse! :tocha:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GjA4z2DObM
:tocha: :tocha: :tocha: :tocha:
All indications they will be back this summer in the SL. OFI might beat them to the title though. Will be good to have both those boys back.
OFI are a Crete village team, right? What do they bring to the table?
No, that is Platanias. OFI are a city team, main team of Iraklion (capital of Crete) and biggest team in Crete. Only have one cup to their name and a fairly shitty stadium, but they are important I think to have in the SL (always good to have Cretan representative anyway - massive island).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io0cAqZiR1g&vl=en
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6I-h4LMCfg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRCGVG54HoQ
Also they gave us this press conference. Perhaps the greatest of all time - anywhere. The only press conference I can still watch today and not get bored!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS9HxCjU9t0
FIFA's letter recommends the Greek Super League is suspended because of the EPO. What is fascinating is the undertone of the letter. It is obvious FIFA are aware of EPO corruption.
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/sitefiles_2018-03/epistoli_humbel_290318-page-003.jpg)
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/sitefiles_2018-03/epistoli_humbel_290318-page-004.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Março de 2018, 10:53
FIFA is recommending that Greece been thrown out UEFA and FIFA!
They made recommendations to the EPO a month ago to sort out the situation in Greece, the EPO did not implement 1 recommendation. They also are fully aware that the EPO is protecting PAOK who have destroyed Greek football this year.
As a result, this morning, the EPO immediately handed down PAOK's punishment realising they could not stall anymore. -3 points this season, -2 at the start of next season and a 3 year ban for Savvidis from stadia and a fine of €100,000. Michel €15,000 fine and 3 months ban. PAOK get 3 games behind closed doors and €63,000 fine.
For attacking Asteras staff: €5000 fine and the guy who attacked the staff - a 45 day ban.. Of course PAOK will appeal all of this and they have judges in their pocket - like the one who overturned their last punishment that lead to this whole mess - Dimitris Skouteri.
Where all the teams now stand:
1. AEK 57
2. Olympiacos 50
3. PAOK 49
4. Atromitos 47
Citaçãoa 3 year ban for Savvidis from stadia and a fine of €100,000
From stadia and not from football?
Citação de: StellaRojas em 29 de Março de 2018, 17:08
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Março de 2018, 10:53
FIFA is recommending that Greece been thrown out UEFA and FIFA!
They made recommendations to the EPO a month ago to sort out the situation in Greece, the EPO did not implement 1 recommendation. They also are fully aware that the EPO is protecting PAOK who have destroyed Greek football this year.
As a result, this morning, the EPO immediately handed down PAOK's punishment realising they could not stall anymore. -3 points this season, -2 at the start of next season and a 3 year ban for Savvidis from stadia and a fine of €100,000. Michel €15,000 fine and 3 months ban. PAOK get 3 games behind closed doors and €63,000 fine.
For attacking Asteras staff: €5000 fine and the guy who attacked the staff - a 45 day ban.. Of course PAOK will appeal all of this and they have judges in their pocket - like the one who overturned their last punishment that lead to this whole mess - Dimitris Skouteri.
Where all the teams now stand:
1. AEK 57
2. Olympiacos 50
3. PAOK 49
4. Atromitos 47
Citaçãoa 3 year ban for Savvidis from stadia and a fine of €100,000
From stadia and not from football?
From stadia. Savvidis owns the EPO as FIFA have figured out. They would never ban him from football.
Arbitration Committee (referee committee) updated:
The Executive Committee of the Hellenic Football Federation (HFF) Ratified the new structure of the Central Arbitration Commission:
Head: Vitor Melo Pereira
New Member / Professional Leagues: Juan Antonio Fernández Marin
Member / UEFA Convention Project Leader: Stavros Tritzonis
VAR Project Leader: Michalis Koukoulakis
Member / Genoa - Women's Organizations - Infrastructure: Dimitrios Kalivas
Member / Referees: Ioannis Tsailhilidis
Associate of CED: Nikolaos Iosofoglou
Associate of CED, Referee Training: Vasilis Lolis
Development Manager: Kyros Vassaras
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Março de 2018, 17:36
Citação de: StellaRojas em 29 de Março de 2018, 17:08
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Março de 2018, 10:53
FIFA is recommending that Greece been thrown out UEFA and FIFA!
They made recommendations to the EPO a month ago to sort out the situation in Greece, the EPO did not implement 1 recommendation. They also are fully aware that the EPO is protecting PAOK who have destroyed Greek football this year.
As a result, this morning, the EPO immediately handed down PAOK's punishment realising they could not stall anymore. -3 points this season, -2 at the start of next season and a 3 year ban for Savvidis from stadia and a fine of €100,000. Michel €15,000 fine and 3 months ban. PAOK get 3 games behind closed doors and €63,000 fine.
For attacking Asteras staff: €5000 fine and the guy who attacked the staff - a 45 day ban.. Of course PAOK will appeal all of this and they have judges in their pocket - like the one who overturned their last punishment that lead to this whole mess - Dimitris Skouteri.
Where all the teams now stand:
1. AEK 57
2. Olympiacos 50
3. PAOK 49
4. Atromitos 47
Citaçãoa 3 year ban for Savvidis from stadia and a fine of €100,000
From stadia and not from football?
From stadia. Savvidis owns the EPO as FIFA have figured out. They would never ban him from football.
Things are not looking good for either PAOK or Partizan these days...Partizan is in the midst of the " gay affair". Their vice president's phone conversations leaked and were published in our newspapers today. He reveals that u16 players turn him on and arranges a threesome with some guy, expressing his wish that the third guy be a 14-15-year old. Since he is a professor at the Faculty of Law, he also talks about his " exam escort" and different ways to get a passing grade... :rir:
Citação de: StellaRojas em 29 de Março de 2018, 19:45
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Março de 2018, 17:36
Citação de: StellaRojas em 29 de Março de 2018, 17:08
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Março de 2018, 10:53
FIFA is recommending that Greece been thrown out UEFA and FIFA!
They made recommendations to the EPO a month ago to sort out the situation in Greece, the EPO did not implement 1 recommendation. They also are fully aware that the EPO is protecting PAOK who have destroyed Greek football this year.
As a result, this morning, the EPO immediately handed down PAOK's punishment realising they could not stall anymore. -3 points this season, -2 at the start of next season and a 3 year ban for Savvidis from stadia and a fine of €100,000. Michel €15,000 fine and 3 months ban. PAOK get 3 games behind closed doors and €63,000 fine.
For attacking Asteras staff: €5000 fine and the guy who attacked the staff - a 45 day ban.. Of course PAOK will appeal all of this and they have judges in their pocket - like the one who overturned their last punishment that lead to this whole mess - Dimitris Skouteri.
Where all the teams now stand:
1. AEK 57
2. Olympiacos 50
3. PAOK 49
4. Atromitos 47
Citaçãoa 3 year ban for Savvidis from stadia and a fine of €100,000
From stadia and not from football?
From stadia. Savvidis owns the EPO as FIFA have figured out. They would never ban him from football.
Things are not looking good for either PAOK or Partizan these days...Partizan is in the midst of the " gay affair". Their vice president's phone conversations leaked and were published in our newspapers today. He reveals that u16 players turn him on and arranges a threesome with some guy, expressing his wish that the third guy be a 14-15-year old. Since he is a professor at the Faculty of Law, he also talks about his " exam escort" and different ways to get a passing grade... :rir:
Fucking hell... :estrelas:
No wonder all the players we got from them can't run properly...
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Março de 2018, 20:12
Citação de: StellaRojas em 29 de Março de 2018, 19:45
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Março de 2018, 17:36
Citação de: StellaRojas em 29 de Março de 2018, 17:08
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Março de 2018, 10:53
FIFA is recommending that Greece been thrown out UEFA and FIFA!
They made recommendations to the EPO a month ago to sort out the situation in Greece, the EPO did not implement 1 recommendation. They also are fully aware that the EPO is protecting PAOK who have destroyed Greek football this year.
As a result, this morning, the EPO immediately handed down PAOK's punishment realising they could not stall anymore. -3 points this season, -2 at the start of next season and a 3 year ban for Savvidis from stadia and a fine of €100,000. Michel €15,000 fine and 3 months ban. PAOK get 3 games behind closed doors and €63,000 fine.
For attacking Asteras staff: €5000 fine and the guy who attacked the staff - a 45 day ban.. Of course PAOK will appeal all of this and they have judges in their pocket - like the one who overturned their last punishment that lead to this whole mess - Dimitris Skouteri.
Where all the teams now stand:
1. AEK 57
2. Olympiacos 50
3. PAOK 49
4. Atromitos 47
Citaçãoa 3 year ban for Savvidis from stadia and a fine of €100,000
From stadia and not from football?
From stadia. Savvidis owns the EPO as FIFA have figured out. They would never ban him from football.
Things are not looking good for either PAOK or Partizan these days...Partizan is in the midst of the " gay affair". Their vice president's phone conversations leaked and were published in our newspapers today. He reveals that u16 players turn him on and arranges a threesome with some guy, expressing his wish that the third guy be a 14-15-year old. Since he is a professor at the Faculty of Law, he also talks about his " exam escort" and different ways to get a passing grade... :rir:
Fucking hell... :estrelas:
No wonder all the players we got from them can't run properly...
With someone this big... :rir: Send Djurdjevic on a rehabilitation, maybe something will become of him.
(http://navijacipartizana.com/upload/posts/Vuletic-peder1.jpg)
People are already making jokes about the dressing room at Partizan:
(https://s17.postimg.org/enxo7mhdr/Untitled1.png)
Markovic was very fast. Maybe running from him helped.
PAO are finished..
http://www.sport-fm.gr/article/NikolasAktipis/o-klinika-nekros-o-panathinaikos-kai-to-thauma-pou-perimenei/3512987
:rir:
The parallels with Sporting... Just wait a bit and the same will happen to them, they are already in implosion but they will go even further.
PAO - already have have -5 point this season for non payment of debt. They were given -9 points just now from the arbitration for non payment to Leto, Toche and Esien. If this sticks.. it is immediate relegation. PAO has 3 days to pay all 3 players in full. If not.. Let's see.
Edit: PAO has just said it will pay off all 3 players directly.
Citação de: Faliro em 16 de Abril de 2018, 14:21
PAO - already have have -5 point this season for non payment of debt. They were given -9 points just now from the arbitration for non payment to Leto, Toche and Esien. If this sticks.. it is immediate relegation. PAO has 3 days to pay all 3 players in full. If not.. Let's see.
Edit: PAO has just said it will pay off all 3 players directly.
Hope they pay, the Greek League needs all the big clubs. Olympiakos, Panathinaikos, AEK, PAOK and Aris.
Full house next weekend at OAKA?
Citação de: Covenant em 16 de Abril de 2018, 16:16
Citação de: Faliro em 16 de Abril de 2018, 14:21
PAO - already have have -5 point this season for non payment of debt. They were given -9 points just now from the arbitration for non payment to Leto, Toche and Esien. If this sticks.. it is immediate relegation. PAO has 3 days to pay all 3 players in full. If not.. Let's see.
Edit: PAO has just said it will pay off all 3 players directly.
Hope they pay, the Greek League needs all the big clubs. Olympiakos, Panathinaikos, AEK, PAOK and Aris.
Seems they said they would pay immediately. It appears over the last few months they are 100% banned from making transfers in the summer because of unpaid debts and I suspect also banned from UEFA competition. Without all the points punishments PAO would be very close to European spot actually.
I agree, Greece needs its big teams. Olympiacos said the same last week. - Olympiacos does not want PAO to go down.
Citação de: Covenant em 16 de Abril de 2018, 16:16
Full house next weekend at OAKA?
I suspect so. They need one point to win the championship.
https://youtu.be/VGokegC5Fbg
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Abril de 2018, 20:29
https://youtu.be/VGokegC5Fbg
Hope that PAOK and Panathinaikos can have new stadiums as Well.
Citação de: Covenant em 18 de Abril de 2018, 11:38
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Abril de 2018, 20:29
https://youtu.be/VGokegC5Fbg
Hope that PAOK and Panathinaikos can have new stadiums as Well.
Yes essential they do. PAOK has delayed their stadium project. Said they could not get the paperwork together in time to move the Kaftanzoglou next season.
PAO who are close to relegation have interest from a Thai businessman (Pairoj Piempongsant) to buy the club. Alafouzos has until Friday to respond. If the Thai is successful in aquiring PAO - he will most likely restart the Votanikos Stadium project (Manuel Salgado) - that already has full permissions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV_wTeNiZGs
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Abril de 2018, 12:13
Citação de: Covenant em 18 de Abril de 2018, 11:38
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Abril de 2018, 20:29
https://youtu.be/VGokegC5Fbg
Hope that PAOK and Panathinaikos can have new stadiums as Well.
Yes essential they do. PAOK has delayed their stadium project. Said they could not get the paperwork together in time to move the Kaftanzoglou next season.
PAO who are close to relegation have interest from a Thai businessman (Pairoj Piempongsant) to buy the club. Alafouzos has until Friday to respond. If the Thai is successful in aquiring PAO - he will most likely restart the Votanikos Stadium project (Manuel Salgado) - that already has full permissions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV_wTeNiZGs
And the Basket owner rumor?
Citação de: Covenant em 18 de Abril de 2018, 18:03
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Abril de 2018, 12:13
Citação de: Covenant em 18 de Abril de 2018, 11:38
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Abril de 2018, 20:29
https://youtu.be/VGokegC5Fbg
Hope that PAOK and Panathinaikos can have new stadiums as Well.
Yes essential they do. PAOK has delayed their stadium project. Said they could not get the paperwork together in time to move the Kaftanzoglou next season.
PAO who are close to relegation have interest from a Thai businessman (Pairoj Piempongsant) to buy the club. Alafouzos has until Friday to respond. If the Thai is successful in aquiring PAO - he will most likely restart the Votanikos Stadium project (Manuel Salgado) - that already has full permissions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV_wTeNiZGs
And the Basket owner rumor?
Giannakopoulos? He is angry. He is always angry. Breaking rules etc. Watched PAO demolish Real in the Euroleague last night even though he is banned from the stadium.. he will get a fine.. again... and he has removed PAO from the Euroleague for next season. He is mad. Of course he wants Alafouzos to deal only with him. Maybe his idiotic plan to move PAO FC to the OAKA will get the green light so to speak... but this week everyone is thinking of the Thai and his offer.. and the regeneration of the Votanikos project. Permission was granted for the Votanikos project in 2009 and expired in 2014. However it can easily be resubmitted and the Govt will regain losses the minute it is completed as they are tied to the financially project and down 8 million because of the project.
AEK score against AEL in the last minute 90+3 to make it 1-0 and go through (2-2) on away goals into the final of the Greek Cup. There they will meet PAOK - like last year.. :crazy2:
Here is the goal that put them through:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnJxJRssRLE
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Abril de 2018, 20:19
Citação de: Covenant em 18 de Abril de 2018, 18:03
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Abril de 2018, 12:13
Citação de: Covenant em 18 de Abril de 2018, 11:38
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Abril de 2018, 20:29
https://youtu.be/VGokegC5Fbg
Hope that PAOK and Panathinaikos can have new stadiums as Well.
Yes essential they do. PAOK has delayed their stadium project. Said they could not get the paperwork together in time to move the Kaftanzoglou next season.
PAO who are close to relegation have interest from a Thai businessman (Pairoj Piempongsant) to buy the club. Alafouzos has until Friday to respond. If the Thai is successful in aquiring PAO - he will most likely restart the Votanikos Stadium project (Manuel Salgado) - that already has full permissions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV_wTeNiZGs
And the Basket owner rumor?
Giannakopoulos? He is angry. He is always angry. Breaking rules etc. Watched PAO demolish Real in the Euroleague last night even though he is banned from the stadium.. he will get a fine.. again... and he has removed PAO from the Euroleague for next season. He is mad. Of course he wants Alafouzos to deal only with him. Maybe his idiotic plan to move PAO FC to the OAKA will get the green light so to speak... but this week everyone is thinking of the Thai and his offer.. and the regeneration of the Votanikos project. Permission was granted for the Votanikos project in 2009 and expired in 2014. However it can easily be resubmitted and the Govt will regain losses the minute it is completed as they are tied to the financially project and down 8 million because of the project.
AEK score against AEL in the last minute 90+3 to make it 1-0 and go through (2-2) on away goals into the final of the Greek Cup. There they will meet PAOK - like last year.. :crazy2:
Here is the goal that put them through:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnJxJRssRLE
A Thai owner for PAO or did I misread?
Citação de: Calcio em 18 de Abril de 2018, 20:30
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Abril de 2018, 20:19
Citação de: Covenant em 18 de Abril de 2018, 18:03
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Abril de 2018, 12:13
Citação de: Covenant em 18 de Abril de 2018, 11:38
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Abril de 2018, 20:29
https://youtu.be/VGokegC5Fbg
Hope that PAOK and Panathinaikos can have new stadiums as Well.
Yes essential they do. PAOK has delayed their stadium project. Said they could not get the paperwork together in time to move the Kaftanzoglou next season.
PAO who are close to relegation have interest from a Thai businessman (Pairoj Piempongsant) to buy the club. Alafouzos has until Friday to respond. If the Thai is successful in aquiring PAO - he will most likely restart the Votanikos Stadium project (Manuel Salgado) - that already has full permissions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV_wTeNiZGs
And the Basket owner rumor?
Giannakopoulos? He is angry. He is always angry. Breaking rules etc. Watched PAO demolish Real in the Euroleague last night even though he is banned from the stadium.. he will get a fine.. again... and he has removed PAO from the Euroleague for next season. He is mad. Of course he wants Alafouzos to deal only with him. Maybe his idiotic plan to move PAO FC to the OAKA will get the green light so to speak... but this week everyone is thinking of the Thai and his offer.. and the regeneration of the Votanikos project. Permission was granted for the Votanikos project in 2009 and expired in 2014. However it can easily be resubmitted and the Govt will regain losses the minute it is completed as they are tied to the financially project and down 8 million because of the project.
AEK score against AEL in the last minute 90+3 to make it 1-0 and go through (2-2) on away goals into the final of the Greek Cup. There they will meet PAOK - like last year.. :crazy2:
Here is the goal that put them through:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnJxJRssRLE
A Thai owner for PAO or did I misread?
You read right. Pairoj Piempongsant. Negotiations are ongoing. He was connected with advising the Man City takeover. He is this man:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/silent-figure-at-heart-of-blues-revolution-965914
He has made an offer for PAO FC and it is being taken seriously - at least that is what Alafouzos said:
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Panathinaikos/piempongksant-eikosi-ekatommuria-eyrw-kai-ola-ta-xreh.5164715.html
"Yes essential they do. PAOK has delayed their stadium project. Said they could not get the paperwork together in time to move the Kaftanzoglou next season."
Poor excuse.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 19 de Abril de 2018, 02:15
"Yes essential they do. PAOK has delayed their stadium project. Said they could not get the paperwork together in time to move the Kaftanzoglou next season."
Poor excuse.
Savvidis is a bullshit artist.
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Abril de 2018, 20:48
Citação de: Calcio em 18 de Abril de 2018, 20:30
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Abril de 2018, 20:19
Citação de: Covenant em 18 de Abril de 2018, 18:03
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Abril de 2018, 12:13
Citação de: Covenant em 18 de Abril de 2018, 11:38
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Abril de 2018, 20:29
https://youtu.be/VGokegC5Fbg
Hope that PAOK and Panathinaikos can have new stadiums as Well.
Yes essential they do. PAOK has delayed their stadium project. Said they could not get the paperwork together in time to move the Kaftanzoglou next season.
PAO who are close to relegation have interest from a Thai businessman (Pairoj Piempongsant) to buy the club. Alafouzos has until Friday to respond. If the Thai is successful in aquiring PAO - he will most likely restart the Votanikos Stadium project (Manuel Salgado) - that already has full permissions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV_wTeNiZGs
And the Basket owner rumor?
Giannakopoulos? He is angry. He is always angry. Breaking rules etc. Watched PAO demolish Real in the Euroleague last night even though he is banned from the stadium.. he will get a fine.. again... and he has removed PAO from the Euroleague for next season. He is mad. Of course he wants Alafouzos to deal only with him. Maybe his idiotic plan to move PAO FC to the OAKA will get the green light so to speak... but this week everyone is thinking of the Thai and his offer.. and the regeneration of the Votanikos project. Permission was granted for the Votanikos project in 2009 and expired in 2014. However it can easily be resubmitted and the Govt will regain losses the minute it is completed as they are tied to the financially project and down 8 million because of the project.
AEK score against AEL in the last minute 90+3 to make it 1-0 and go through (2-2) on away goals into the final of the Greek Cup. There they will meet PAOK - like last year.. :crazy2:
Here is the goal that put them through:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnJxJRssRLE
A Thai owner for PAO or did I misread?
You read right. Pairoj Piempongsant. Negotiations are ongoing. He was connected with advising the Man City takeover. He is this man:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/silent-figure-at-heart-of-blues-revolution-965914
He has made an offer for PAO FC and it is being taken seriously - at least that is what Alafouzos said:
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Panathinaikos/piempongksant-eikosi-ekatommuria-eyrw-kai-ola-ta-xreh.5164715.html
They should call him PAO :smokin:
Faliro has the takeover been completed?
Citação de: Calcio em 21 de Abril de 2018, 15:21
Faliro has the takeover been completed?
Nope still negotiating. Seems a small difference in money. Around 9 million. I think early next week there will be an important meeting between them both.
Edit.
As I type this Alafouzos has accepted the Pan Asian Group offer:
http://m.sport24.gr/football/omades/Panathinaikos/allazei-selida-o-panathhnaikos-leei-nai-sthn-pan-asia-o-alafouzos.5169519.html
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Abril de 2018, 16:11
Citação de: Calcio em 21 de Abril de 2018, 15:21
Faliro has the takeover been completed?
Nope still negotiating. Seems a small difference in money. Around 9 million. I think early next week there will be an important meeting between them both.
Edit.
As I type this Alafouzos has accepted the Pan Asian Group offer:
http://m.sport24.gr/football/omades/Panathinaikos/allazei-selida-o-panathhnaikos-leei-nai-sthn-pan-asia-o-alafouzos.5169519.html
http://www.sdna.gr/news-english/article/458093/giannis-alafouzos-accepts-pan-asia-consortiums-offer
20 million to pay pay debts?
Citação de: Calcio em 21 de Abril de 2018, 17:19
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Abril de 2018, 16:11
Citação de: Calcio em 21 de Abril de 2018, 15:21
Faliro has the takeover been completed?
Nope still negotiating. Seems a small difference in money. Around 9 million. I think early next week there will be an important meeting between them both.
Edit.
As I type this Alafouzos has accepted the Pan Asian Group offer:
http://m.sport24.gr/football/omades/Panathinaikos/allazei-selida-o-panathhnaikos-leei-nai-sthn-pan-asia-o-alafouzos.5169519.html
http://www.sdna.gr/news-english/article/458093/giannis-alafouzos-accepts-pan-asia-consortiums-offer
20 million to pay pay debts?
I really don't understand. I think the €20 million will be for the team (building a CL ready squad) next year - that is the primary reason for buying PAO - easier route to CL money than with a cheap Premiership club or French club for example. I am not sure the money they are giving Alafouzos will actually go to Alafouzos as I don't think he paid anything for his shares anyway (could be wrong). Alafouzos may put the money from the shares sale (€13 million?) directly to pay off immediate debts. Alafouzos claimed he would personally pay any debts incurred for the time he controlled PAO (about 6 years).
The investors also want to buy PAO's famous original training grounds from Vardoyiannis for around €7 million at Paiania (PAO left there 5 years ago I think):(https://www.football-academies.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/oristiko-epistrefi-stin-peania-o-panathinaikos.jpg)
(http://media.interactive.netuse.gr/filesystem/images/20130529/low/pegasus_LARGE_t_1041_106004147.GIF)
Edit. Just read the deal is for the Thai purchase of training ground PAO moved to in 2013 - the Georgios Kalafatis training ground and an adjacent plot:
(http://www.pao.gr/images/trainingcenter900.gif)
Here is a better explanation from a commie paper. However even they show they have shit for brains. AEK was basically foreign owned before (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIC_Group).
http://www.ekathimerini.com/227937/article/ekathimerini/sports/alafouzos-agrees-to-sell-panathinaikos-to-pan-asia-for-just-one-euro
Also seems the Thai is on his way right now to Athens from London.
Proper breakdown of the deal:
http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Panathinaikos/h-oikonomikh-analysh-toy-deal-alafouzoy-piempongksant.5169641.html
So Alafouzos owns 77% of shares (which he got for free - not 100% on that).
All his shares will be transfered to the Pan Asian Group for the price of €1 total.
The Pan Asian Group will then commit to capital share increase of €27 million.
€20 million of that goes to new players and running the club.
€7 million goes to pay off a bank loan - that in turn will soon be paid off by a new TV contract.
Separate to that - the Pan Asian Group will pay Alafouzos €13 million to cover this year's debts and a further €7 million for the ownership of the Kalafatis training grounds - and the adjacent plot.
Alafouzos will be liable for €9 million from his own pocket for debts. Pan Asian group is also liable for a further €9 million (unplaid players and club officials etc).
The reason no one has mentioned the Leoforos Stadium is because it is owned or in reality controlled by PAO.
So PAO is safe in the GSL, right?
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 21 de Abril de 2018, 19:18
So PAO is safe in the GSL, right?
The minute they pay off the major debt, they will be granted a licence to compete in next season's SL. At the moment they dont have the licence.
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Abril de 2018, 19:39
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 21 de Abril de 2018, 19:18
So PAO is safe in the GSL, right?
The minute they pay off the major debt, they will be granted a licence to compete in next season's SL. At the moment they dont have the licence.
Tnak you.
That's really good for the GSL.
Can you tell me more about this new TV deal?
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 21 de Abril de 2018, 19:43
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Abril de 2018, 19:39
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 21 de Abril de 2018, 19:18
So PAO is safe in the GSL, right?
The minute they pay off the major debt, they will be granted a licence to compete in next season's SL. At the moment they dont have the licence.
Tnak you.
That's really good for the GSL.
Can you tell me more about this new TV deal?
They should be able to get around 7 million from Nova for next season once they get their licence. They in the mean time leveraged 7 million from a bank to pay off debts and are hoping the minute they get their licence, they can get the TV money.
Citação de: Covenant em 16 de Abril de 2018, 16:16
Full house next weekend at OAKA?
AEK told their fans today wont be their 'fiesta' and also not to bring flares of firecrackers. Still must be around 65,000 in there today:
(https://i.snag.gy/7OikZm.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Abril de 2018, 17:03
Citação de: Covenant em 16 de Abril de 2018, 16:16
Full house next weekend at OAKA?
AEK told their fans today wont be their 'fiesta' and also not to bring flares of firecrackers. Still must be around 65,000 in there today:
(https://i.snag.gy/7OikZm.jpg)
Is AEK champions if they win today?
Citação de: Calcio em 22 de Abril de 2018, 17:30
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Abril de 2018, 17:03
Citação de: Covenant em 16 de Abril de 2018, 16:16
Full house next weekend at OAKA?
AEK told their fans today wont be their 'fiesta' and also not to bring flares of firecrackers. Still must be around 65,000 in there today:
(https://i.snag.gy/7OikZm.jpg)
Is AEK champions if they win today?
Yap.
Happy it wasn't PAOK. Kind of sad because it wasn't Oly.
Yes, best team won. Simple.
Oly scored the most goals - had the best attack, however we had the 6th equal (with PAO) best defence.
I remember you saying back in 2013/2014 that the league needed AEK to come back in order to become interesting/competitive again. I guess that's what's happening. Let's see what the next few seasons will be like.
Citação de: Festivus em 23 de Abril de 2018, 01:50
I remember you saying back in 2013/2014 that the league needed AEK to come back in order to become interesting/competitive again. I guess that's what's happening. Let's see what the next few seasons will be like.
I think they will be good. Tiger (aek owner) said today he expected AEK to win the league in their new stadium but it happened earlier than expected. This tells me unlike the low IQ Greek media, Tiger is completely aware that a decent stadium is key to success in Greece and that has been one of Oly's biggest advantages over the years.
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Abril de 2018, 01:55
Citação de: Festivus em 23 de Abril de 2018, 01:50
I remember you saying back in 2013/2014 that the league needed AEK to come back in order to become interesting/competitive again. I guess that's what's happening. Let's see what the next few seasons will be like.
I think they will be good. Tiger (aek owner) said today he expected AEK to win the league in their new stadium but it happened earlier than expected. This tells me unlike the low IQ Greek media, Tiger is completely aware that a decent stadium is key to success in Greece and that has been one of Oly's biggest advantages over the years.
I see PAO are mid-table pretty much. Guess they're going through a crisis?
Citação de: Festivus em 23 de Abril de 2018, 01:57
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Abril de 2018, 01:55
Citação de: Festivus em 23 de Abril de 2018, 01:50
I remember you saying back in 2013/2014 that the league needed AEK to come back in order to become interesting/competitive again. I guess that's what's happening. Let's see what the next few seasons will be like.
I think they will be good. Tiger (aek owner) said today he expected AEK to win the league in their new stadium but it happened earlier than expected. This tells me unlike the low IQ Greek media, Tiger is completely aware that a decent stadium is key to success in Greece and that has been one of Oly's biggest advantages over the years.
I see PAO are mid-table pretty much. Guess they're going through a crisis?
On the previous page we were discussing their potential new Thai owner. He may be the new owner very soon. If it happens PAO will be back again running with the big boys.
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Abril de 2018, 01:59
Citação de: Festivus em 23 de Abril de 2018, 01:57
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Abril de 2018, 01:55
Citação de: Festivus em 23 de Abril de 2018, 01:50
I remember you saying back in 2013/2014 that the league needed AEK to come back in order to become interesting/competitive again. I guess that's what's happening. Let's see what the next few seasons will be like.
I think they will be good. Tiger (aek owner) said today he expected AEK to win the league in their new stadium but it happened earlier than expected. This tells me unlike the low IQ Greek media, Tiger is completely aware that a decent stadium is key to success in Greece and that has been one of Oly's biggest advantages over the years.
I see PAO are mid-table pretty much. Guess they're going through a crisis?
On the previous page we were discussing their potential new Thai owner. He may be the new owner very soon. If it happens PAO will be back again running with the big boys.
Sometimes those People don't have good intentions.
Citação de: Covenant em 23 de Abril de 2018, 15:01
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Abril de 2018, 01:59
Citação de: Festivus em 23 de Abril de 2018, 01:57
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Abril de 2018, 01:55
Citação de: Festivus em 23 de Abril de 2018, 01:50
I remember you saying back in 2013/2014 that the league needed AEK to come back in order to become interesting/competitive again. I guess that's what's happening. Let's see what the next few seasons will be like.
I think they will be good. Tiger (aek owner) said today he expected AEK to win the league in their new stadium but it happened earlier than expected. This tells me unlike the low IQ Greek media, Tiger is completely aware that a decent stadium is key to success in Greece and that has been one of Oly's biggest advantages over the years.
I see PAO are mid-table pretty much. Guess they're going through a crisis?
On the previous page we were discussing their potential new Thai owner. He may be the new owner very soon. If it happens PAO will be back again running with the big boys.
Sometimes those People don't have good intentions.
I think it would be impossible for him to have worse intentions than most Greek owners. I mean I can't imagine this Thai interrupting an SL game while carrying a semi concealed loaded revolver - while bribing arbitration judges 24/7 and suing everyone in sight.
Congratulations to AEK. Deserved champions.
Hopefully this will spark a new beginning for Greek football. A truly competitive league like it was in the 80's and 90's.
Absolutely idiotic idea imo. League reduced to 12 teams. Hope it never happens.
http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/SuperLeague/ayto-tha-einai-to-neo-ellhniko-podosfairo-me-12-omades-h-super-league.5172265.html
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Abril de 2018, 15:12
Absolutely idiotic idea imo. League reduced to 12 teams. Hope it never happens.
http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/SuperLeague/ayto-tha-einai-to-neo-ellhniko-podosfairo-me-12-omades-h-super-league.5172265.html
12 is to short. 14 is the way I would like to see the portuguese league be like. Same thing for Greece and any other league outside the top 5.
14 teams, 2 get relegated, and #12 plays a two legged play-off with a third team from the second divison. No play-offs for european BS and all that crap.
26 matchdays more competitiveness, more money for the clubs. Less BS and village clubs.
More quality overall.
Fucking Marseille today..
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbumE4gX0AYCqYx.jpg:large)
At least their interest is less than the last time AEK won the championship..
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ac/30/11/ac3011418f79a64e1826a71f03d38bd3.jpg)
Marseille and AEK fan bases are twinned?
I wasn't aware of that.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 26 de Abril de 2018, 23:09
Marseille and AEK fan bases are twinned?
I wasn't aware of that.
Bunch of idiots..
https://www.facebook.com/Triangle-of-Brotherhood-AEK-Athens-Olympique-Marseille-Livorno-208472942534196/
Citação de: Gottschalk em 26 de Abril de 2018, 23:09
Marseille and AEK fan bases are twinned?
I wasn't aware of that.
Started mostly due to politics.
AEK has also a friendship with Livorno ultras.
More PAO money woes.
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Abril de 2018, 17:41
More PAO money woes.
Yea... Jens Wemmer is holding them to fire - quite rightly. They should have paid him off early. You get the feeling Alafouzos negotiating hard with the Thai - to see who pays of which debts. They need to wrap this negotiation fast however because PAO is sinking quickly..
PAO now have -8 points due to unpaid players. The current players have not been paid properly either and don't even turn up to training most days. Bizarrely PAO has been playing well lately. Could be that many of these players just needed more days off..
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Cup final between AEK and PAOK - Police said each club should only be allowed to bring 13,000 fans to the game. After negotiations that figure now stands at each club being allowed 17,000 fans.
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Aris - who are basically all but promoted to the Super League want a Portuguese coach (clearly don't want to be left out - is there any top flight league outside Portugal that has has more Portuguese coaches than Greece?). The Aris president is in Portugal today looking for a coach. It is between 2 Portuguese coaches (José Couceiro and Miguel Cardoso) mentioned in the A Bola article below:
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/Noticias/Ver/727649
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Abril de 2018, 18:14
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Abril de 2018, 17:41
More PAO money woes.
Yea... Jens Wemmer is holding them to fire - quite rightly. They should have paid him off early. You get the feeling Alafouzos negotiating hard with the Thai - to see who pays of which debts. They need to wrap this negotiation fast however because PAO is sinking quickly..
PAO now have -8 points due to unpaid players. The current players have not been paid properly either and don't even turn up to training most days. Bizarrely PAO has been playing well lately. Could be that many of these players just needed more days off..
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Cup final between AEK and PAOK - Police said each club should only be allowed to bring 13,000 fans to the game. After negotiations that figure now stands at each club being allowed 17,000 fans.
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Aris - who are basically all but promoted to the Super League want a Portuguese coach (clearly don't want to be left out - is there any top flight league outside Portugal that has has more Portuguese coaches than Greece?). The Aris president is in Portugal today looking for a coach. It is between 2 Portuguese coaches (José Couceiro and Miguel Cardoso) mentioned in the A Bola article below:
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/Noticias/Ver/727649
Cardoso going from being on the shortlist for Sporting to the shortlist of Aris...
Great to see Aris getting a portuguese manager though! :smitten:
Would love Luis Castro at Aris' helm. He would take them to europe, no doubt.
Also RV :tomates: ;D
BTW how are Aris finances like?
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Abril de 2018, 18:25
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Abril de 2018, 18:14
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Abril de 2018, 17:41
More PAO money woes.
Yea... Jens Wemmer is holding them to fire - quite rightly. They should have paid him off early. You get the feeling Alafouzos negotiating hard with the Thai - to see who pays of which debts. They need to wrap this negotiation fast however because PAO is sinking quickly..
PAO now have -8 points due to unpaid players. The current players have not been paid properly either and don't even turn up to training most days. Bizarrely PAO has been playing well lately. Could be that many of these players just needed more days off..
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Cup final between AEK and PAOK - Police said each club should only be allowed to bring 13,000 fans to the game. After negotiations that figure now stands at each club being allowed 17,000 fans.
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Aris - who are basically all but promoted to the Super League want a Portuguese coach (clearly don't want to be left out - is there any top flight league outside Portugal that has has more Portuguese coaches than Greece?). The Aris president is in Portugal today looking for a coach. It is between 2 Portuguese coaches (José Couceiro and Miguel Cardoso) mentioned in the A Bola article below:
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/Noticias/Ver/727649
Cardoso going from being on the shortlist for Sporting to the shortlist of Aris...
Great to see Aris getting a portuguese manager though! :smitten:
Would love Luis Castro at Aris' helm. He would take them to europe, no doubt.
Also RV :tomates: ;D
BTW how are Aris finances like?
Actually I just realised, Aris like every other Greek club has already had a Portuguese manager - Manuel Machado.
Finances are a lot better. The president (Karypidis) who is in Portugal today owns a supermarket chain. I am guessing their first and most important goal will be to stay in the Super League next season and that is why they are looking early for a good coach.
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Abril de 2018, 18:25
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Abril de 2018, 18:14
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Abril de 2018, 17:41
More PAO money woes.
Yea... Jens Wemmer is holding them to fire - quite rightly. They should have paid him off early. You get the feeling Alafouzos negotiating hard with the Thai - to see who pays of which debts. They need to wrap this negotiation fast however because PAO is sinking quickly..
PAO now have -8 points due to unpaid players. The current players have not been paid properly either and don't even turn up to training most days. Bizarrely PAO has been playing well lately. Could be that many of these players just needed more days off..
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Cup final between AEK and PAOK - Police said each club should only be allowed to bring 13,000 fans to the game. After negotiations that figure now stands at each club being allowed 17,000 fans.
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Aris - who are basically all but promoted to the Super League want a Portuguese coach (clearly don't want to be left out - is there any top flight league outside Portugal that has has more Portuguese coaches than Greece?). The Aris president is in Portugal today looking for a coach. It is between 2 Portuguese coaches (José Couceiro and Miguel Cardoso) mentioned in the A Bola article below:
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/Noticias/Ver/727649
Cardoso going from being on the shortlist for Sporting to the shortlist of Aris...
Great to see Aris getting a portuguese manager though! :smitten:
Would love Luis Castro at Aris' helm. He would take them to europe, no doubt.
Also RV :tomates: ;D
BTW how are Aris finances like?
Stay the fuck away. ::bater:: ::bater::
We need to continue strengthening our common ties between Greece and Portugal.
Rui Vitória was made for the Aris job. BELIEVE!
Citação de: Gottschalk em 27 de Abril de 2018, 19:12
We need to continue strengthening our common ties between Greece and Portugal.
Rui Vitória was made for the Aris job. BELIEVE!
If someone offered me RV in place of Milojevic, I would have just sent him to hell.
Fernando Santos paved the way.
Now, Rui Vitória will certainly reign. First, Greek national champion with Aris. Then, at last, the Greek NT coach position as a retirement plan.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 27 de Abril de 2018, 19:29
Fernando Santos paved the way.
Now, Rui Vitória will certainly reign. First, Greek national champion with Aris. Then, at last, the Greek NT coach position as a retirement plan.
All done? Ok! Good work!
But maybe Thessaloniki is not posh enough for Mrs. Vitoria? Trouble in paradise.
There have been so many Portuguese coaches and players pass through Greece the last 30 years.. should be a veteran's association for them back in Portugal. The things they must have seen...
(http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/THE_GOOD_THE_BAD_THE_UGLY_CE_D1-6_1082069487.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Abril de 2018, 19:52
There have been so many Portuguese coaches and players pass through Greece the last 30 years.. should be a veteran's association for them back in Portugal. The things they must have seen...
(http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/THE_GOOD_THE_BAD_THE_UGLY_CE_D1-6_1082069487.jpg)
Portugal (and Spain) and Greece, after many centuries apart from each other, are now coming together as two lost brothers.
Latins and Greeks, always rivalling one another, always loving one another. The same cultural and spiritual continuum.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 27 de Abril de 2018, 19:18
Citação de: Gottschalk em 27 de Abril de 2018, 19:12
We need to continue strengthening our common ties between Greece and Portugal.
Rui Vitória was made for the Aris job. BELIEVE!
If someone offered me RV in place of Milojevic, I would have just sent him to hell.
RV can go to Iraklis or PAOK. :winner:
Sérgio Conceição is umbilically linked to PAOK, therefore RV is meant to come to Aris.
It's written in the stars. Accept it.
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Abril de 2018, 20:01
Citação de: StellaRojas em 27 de Abril de 2018, 19:18
Citação de: Gottschalk em 27 de Abril de 2018, 19:12
We need to continue strengthening our common ties between Greece and Portugal.
Rui Vitória was made for the Aris job. BELIEVE!
If someone offered me RV in place of Milojevic, I would have just sent him to hell.
RV can go to Iraklis or PAOK. :winner:
He could go to FC Jeonbuk. I have heard they pay well.
But the title is an imperative :-X
Another option for RV is to bring the first Serbian national title to Novi Sad.
He'll become a Vojvodina legend.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 27 de Abril de 2018, 20:14
Another option for RV is to bring the first Serbian national title to Novi Sad.
He'll become a Vojvodina legend.
Vujadin Boskov in heaven, RV on Earth.
The problem in this case is that their fans are impatient. They once raided the dressing room and attacked the players.
Btw, the name of Oly stadium is Karaiskakis, and the name of Vojvodina stadium is Karadjordje-Karageorge, the leader of the First Serbian Uprising who become the member of the Filiki Eteria after fleeing to Greece.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 27 de Abril de 2018, 22:52
Citação de: Gottschalk em 27 de Abril de 2018, 20:14
Another option for RV is to bring the first Serbian national title to Novi Sad.
He'll become a Vojvodina legend.
Vujadin Boskov in heaven, RV on Earth.
The problem in this case is that their fans are impatient. They once raided the dressing room and attacked the players.
RV has previous experience with that in Guimarães.
He's a tough nut to crack.
Congratulations to both OFI and Aris who won promotion today today to the Super League. After the game Aris FC announced it is now back to its natural position in Greek football.
Both very good clubs with excellent histories. Both were missed and both will boost the Super League next season.
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Abril de 2018, 23:53
Congratulations to both OFI and Aris who won promotion today today to the Super League. After the game Aris FC announced it is now back to its natural position in Greek football.
Both very good clubs with excellent histories. Both were missed and both will boost the Super League next season.
Mode suspensions coming for PAOK and now for Aris too.
Citação de: Covenant em 01 de Maio de 2018, 04:01
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Abril de 2018, 23:53
Congratulations to both OFI and Aris who won promotion today today to the Super League. After the game Aris FC announced it is now back to its natural position in Greek football.
Both very good clubs with excellent histories. Both were missed and both will boost the Super League next season.
Mode suspensions coming for PAOK and now for Aris too.
Aris fans are actually fairly well respected. They are a lot more mature than Iraklis and PAOKtzis..
Here is Aris's championship winning of 1928!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Aris_FC_1928.jpg/1024px-Aris_FC_1928.jpg)
Wow.
Cup final: AEK vs PAOK in the OAKA will have 5000 police and foreign refs.
Vitor Melo Pereira (head of Greek referees) decided it just now. The refs will be CL refs - named tomorrow.
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Aek/article4859026.ece/BINARY/w620/4197735.jpg)
Last time this happened was the Greek Cup Final in 1975 where an Italian ref was brought in and Oly still beat PAO 1-0. :tomates:
David Fernandez Borbalan to ref the Cup Final.
AEK came out early today and said it is against this ref taking on the Cup Final. It is also against Pereira for selecting him.
:crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :buck2: :buck2: :buck2: :knuppel2: :knuppel2: :knuppel2:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6270255/aek-paok-fans-clash-incredible-video/
Ahah great night yesterday in Athens.
Oly vs paok fans and AEK vs cops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEEw0cGVvhQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEEw0cGVvhQ)
Today is going to be fun :dance:
Citação de: FP3 em 12 de Maio de 2018, 17:07
Ahah great night yesterday in Athens.
Oly vs paok fans and AEK vs cops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEEw0cGVvhQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEEw0cGVvhQ)
Today is going to be fun :dance:
Think I will watch this one. The idiots have been fighting all today and all yesterday. Its like war out there. Looking at the PAOK fans already in the stadium.. they have not come here to watch the football clearly.. already firing flares onto he pitch and wearing masks.
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/18/05/12/190701.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Paok/article5194927.ece/BINARY/w620/4456348.jpg)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/18/05/12/183754.jpg)
(https://i.snag.gy/EBoMfL.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5194961.ece/BINARY/w620/4456322.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5194871.ece/BINARY/w620/5.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5194971.ece/BINARY/w620/4456342.jpg)
5000 police there today.. 5000.... Let's see how many arrests. I recon 3.
What exactly are these morons at the security gates being paid to do?
(http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/article5194705.ece/BINARY/w620/Untitled+1.jpg)
BTW why do so many pictures of the Greek scenery look like they were taken in the early 70s? Something about the light there..
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5194633.ece/BINARY/original/image.jpg)
(http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5194271.ece/BINARY/w620/4455943.jpg)
Players warming up:
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32332405_10216870071012742_1106822164624965632_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHafWdrdSmDQaoFay90Q3I_thdM3eWphP7qLR5fmiXBQ1-B71t3-EErq742PmHZsn0Oo19KpwtWn875yNJD_N-OOx4DBc46V0bCP2nxq3TQXA&oh=16b4c5a5946001ce450897a5ab964391&oe=5B8A0066)
AEK hooligans vs MAT:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/18/05/12/194820.jpg)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/18/05/12/194812.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdM0iM_RW-o
All this and the EPO decided only 34,000 fans are allowed in the stadium, imagine if they had let 70k..
11s:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdAqsKnXUAAtMYZ.jpg)
(https://i.snag.gy/6ebh4c.jpg)
Look at the fucking gap they have had to leave in the futile hope the fans will not clash! ;D
(https://i.snag.gy/q0AEwS.jpg)
this game could have sold 70k tickets no problem if the police had not blocked it.
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Maio de 2018, 18:10
Look at the fucking gap they have had to leave in the futile hope the fans will not clash! ;D
(https://i.snag.gy/q0AEwS.jpg)
this game could have sold 70k tickets no problem if the police had not blocked it.
Unfortunately animals have to be treated as such. I was watching the video of the police just containing the hooligans, over here those stands would've been steamrolled by the riot police probably.
Citação de: Plexas em 12 de Maio de 2018, 18:13
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Maio de 2018, 18:10
Look at the fucking gap they have had to leave in the futile hope the fans will not clash! ;D
(https://i.snag.gy/q0AEwS.jpg)
this game could have sold 70k tickets no problem if the police had not blocked it.
Unfortunately animals have to be treated as such. I was watching the video of the police just containing the hooligans, over here those stands would've been steamrolled by the riot police probably.
Greek police do a really surreal thing with hooligans. Greek police are the only police force in the world who instead of quelling the rioters/ arresting them -
they instead spar with them. All Europeans know Greek police are not worth a shit so travel to Greece to get out their anger in football games. Attending this game will be Balkanites, Italians - even polish hooligans either wearing PAOK or AEK colours.
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Maio de 2018, 18:16
Citação de: Plexas em 12 de Maio de 2018, 18:13
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Maio de 2018, 18:10
Look at the fucking gap they have had to leave in the futile hope the fans will not clash! ;D
(https://i.snag.gy/q0AEwS.jpg)
this game could have sold 70k tickets no problem if the police had not blocked it.
Unfortunately animals have to be treated as such. I was watching the video of the police just containing the hooligans, over here those stands would've been steamrolled by the riot police probably.
Greek police do a really surreal thing with hooligans. Greek police are the only police force in the world who instead of quelling the rioters/ arresting them - they instead spar with them. All Europeans know Greek police are not worth a shit so travel to Greece to get out their anger in football games. Attending this game will be Balkanites, Italians - even polish hooligans either wearing PAOK or AEK colours.
Sounds like a disaster just waiting to happen.
The Spanish refs look confident.. :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
(https://i.snag.gy/pXnP4R.jpg)
Citação de: Plexas em 12 de Maio de 2018, 18:22
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Maio de 2018, 18:16
Citação de: Plexas em 12 de Maio de 2018, 18:13
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Maio de 2018, 18:10
Look at the fucking gap they have had to leave in the futile hope the fans will not clash! ;D
(https://i.snag.gy/q0AEwS.jpg)
this game could have sold 70k tickets no problem if the police had not blocked it.
Unfortunately animals have to be treated as such. I was watching the video of the police just containing the hooligans, over here those stands would've been steamrolled by the riot police probably.
Greek police do a really surreal thing with hooligans. Greek police are the only police force in the world who instead of quelling the rioters/ arresting them - they instead spar with them. All Europeans know Greek police are not worth a shit so travel to Greece to get out their anger in football games. Attending this game will be Balkanites, Italians - even polish hooligans either wearing PAOK or AEK colours.
Sounds like a disaster just waiting to happen.
One of the reasons I am watching it. ;D
Great victory for PAOK, tough game. I think that the rivalry between AEK and PAOK will be bigger after this season.
Did it beat the Battle of the Penis Balloon?
Citação de: Cloughie em 13 de Maio de 2018, 04:14
Did it beat the Battle of the Penis Balloon?
Nothing I have seen beats the
battle of penis balloon.
Citação de: Covenant em 13 de Maio de 2018, 02:18
Great victory for PAOK, tough game. I think that the rivalry between AEK and PAOK will be bigger after this season.
Yes. Especially as all the PAOK players were celebrating the double and had t-shirts celebrating the double. PAOK coach also said AEK stole the league from them as did every PAOK player. I think the league will get more competitive now. Those two teams are really starting to hate each other. Thinking also that PAOK should be looking now at a design at Toumba that has at least 40,000 seats. I have not studied the site in detail but I am sure it is bigger than nea filadefeia.
As for the game did you watch it? I thought the quality of football was good. Thought PAOK were clearly stronger. Apparently the Besiktas president was there to watch Pelkas.
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Maio de 2018, 12:46
Citação de: Covenant em 13 de Maio de 2018, 02:18
Great victory for PAOK, tough game. I think that the rivalry between AEK and PAOK will be bigger after this season.
Yes. Especially as all the PAOK players were celebrating the double and had t-shirts celebrating the double. PAOK coach also said AEK stole the league from them as did every PAOK player. I think the league will get more competitive now. Those two teams are really starting to hate each other. Thinking also that PAOK should be looking now at a design at Toumba that has at least 40,000 seats. I have not studied the site in detail but I am sure it is bigger than nea filadefeia.
As for the game did you watch it? I thought the quality of football was good. Thought PAOK were clearly stronger. Apparently the Besiktas president was there to watch Pelkas.
It was a very decent game. PAOK was way stronger maybe the anger was their motivation. The keeper was the best player of AEK...
Citação de: Covenant em 13 de Maio de 2018, 12:50
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Maio de 2018, 12:46
Citação de: Covenant em 13 de Maio de 2018, 02:18
Great victory for PAOK, tough game. I think that the rivalry between AEK and PAOK will be bigger after this season.
Yes. Especially as all the PAOK players were celebrating the double and had t-shirts celebrating the double. PAOK coach also said AEK stole the league from them as did every PAOK player. I think the league will get more competitive now. Those two teams are really starting to hate each other. Thinking also that PAOK should be looking now at a design at Toumba that has at least 40,000 seats. I have not studied the site in detail but I am sure it is bigger than nea filadefeia.
As for the game did you watch it? I thought the quality of football was good. Thought PAOK were clearly stronger. Apparently the Besiktas president was there to watch Pelkas.
It was a very decent game. PAOK was way stronger maybe the anger was their motivation. The keeper was the best player of AEK...
Yes he was the only one pulling his weight. Was a big mistake to start Mandalos who is not fully recovered from his ACL recovery. PAOK were actually the best team this season - just could not control their hooligans as usual. I was asked on the serbenfiquista mercado thread to comment on Livaja and I said he was trash and Pelkas was better. Seems the final showed that well.
If AEK do not spend this summer - they will not hold on to their league. PAOK have stronger players - PAOK's problem is that many of these players are hovering around their 30s and they may lose Pelkas - in which case they will either need to buy another 10 or put all their eggs in the Brazilo-Hellenic Limnios and hope he becomes a product.
Olympiacos simply need to spend.. Olympiacos are wanting both PAOK and AEK to be docked points next season for the riots yesterday.
The riots isn't hooligans fault. In Portugal, Spain, England that could happen if the Police isn't effective.
Citação de: Covenant em 13 de Maio de 2018, 13:20
The riots isn't hooligans fault. In Portugal, Spain, England that could happen if the Police isn't effective.
100% correct. However the Greek Government is not about to start sorting out the problem anytime soon. The only time rioters, extreme anarchists and bombers were silent is when the Junta controlled Greece. The minute the Junta collapsed - business as usual - the anarchists even own a central Athens district - Exarcheia - there are running riots there every night. Greece is a playground with no basic law and order. Not just that - everyone knows it. Hooligans travel from around the world to have fun in Greece. Whenever hooligans are arrested in Greece - there is usually a couple of Italian nationals in the group and some other nationals from across the EU. That is why the Golden Dawn party exists in Greece - who are basically Nazis.. it is because there is no genuine right wing party in Greece. ND - who say they are conservatives - are basically soft left globalist liberals.
PAOK had the game completely under control, they are ghd best team in Greece.
The Athens EPS - Football Committee - has proposed to the EEP that games in Greece are not stopped when an coach of a team is injured by fan violence. :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2:
http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/proteinoyn-mh-diakoph-agwna-se-periptwsh-traymatismou.5206634.html
:crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2:
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Maio de 2018, 17:20
The Athens EPS - Football Committee - has proposed to the EEP that games in Greece are not stopped when an coach of a team is injured by fan violence. :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2:
http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/proteinoyn-mh-diakoph-agwna-se-periptwsh-traymatismou.5206634.html
:crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2:
And if he is gunned down? :coolsmiley:
Citação de: StellaRojas em 23 de Maio de 2018, 21:52
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Maio de 2018, 17:20
The Athens EPS - Football Committee - has proposed to the EEP that games in Greece are not stopped when an coach of a team is injured by fan violence. :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2:
http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/proteinoyn-mh-diakoph-agwna-se-periptwsh-traymatismou.5206634.html
:crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2:
And if he is gunned down? :coolsmiley:
Greeks will say he is faking the bullet holes.. Something like this:
(https://i.imgflip.com/2avlqo.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Maio de 2018, 22:49
Citação de: StellaRojas em 23 de Maio de 2018, 21:52
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Maio de 2018, 17:20
The Athens EPS - Football Committee - has proposed to the EEP that games in Greece are not stopped when an coach of a team is injured by fan violence. :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2:
http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/proteinoyn-mh-diakoph-agwna-se-periptwsh-traymatismou.5206634.html
:crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2: :crazy2:
And if he is gunned down? :coolsmiley:
Greeks will say he is faking the bullet holes.. Something like this:
(https://i.imgflip.com/2avlqo.jpg)
:rir:
AEK lose Jiminez!
He wanted over €1 million for him and has team per year. AEK only offered €850,000 and a €300,000 bonus for getting into the CL. Also he would have to pay his own tax, whereas Jiminez wanted AEK to pay his tax. So he is gone! Will probably be the new Sevilla coach!
AEK meantime will go for the average Greek coach (but media loved) Ouzounidis! They are meeting now!
:metal: :metal:
Greek guy is official. Manolo will go to Las Palmas.
AEK might have really shot themselves in the foot.
This is bad for either Jimenez and AEK. Las Palmas will play the second division and AEK lost a good coach that made them champions.
Agree with you both. Not only that, half there team has just jumped ship!
Johansson
Lazaros
Kone
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Maio de 2018, 15:13
This is bad for either Jimenez and AEK. Las Palmas will play the second division and AEK lost a good coach that made them champions.
An extra €250,000 can change one's direction very quickly. Manolo probably thought he deserved a reward. The Pontian (worth 3 billion - yes you heard it 3 billion..) obviously disagreed.
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In other news - a topic that has interest here and indeed I am interested in this club for some reason: Aris.. relegated famously because of massive debts. No idea why I have the need to discuss this stuff..
The owner is trying to build team with his war chest.
The coach they got today seems to be Paco Herrera. Now remember - Aris was originally one of the most Latin influenced teams in Greece or even in Europe. At one stage they had a team that was basically Barcelona B - with players like Javito dominating. Also tonnes of Portuguese players and South Americans. Seems they will do the same again.
They are after one of their own youth players - the talented Gianniotas - who is rotting in Valladolid and who is Olympiacos property.
They will probably keep one or two talented players they already have, like Hugo Sousa, Platellas and the half Greek half Jordanian Angelos Chanti - who bizarrely I think is good enough to play in Portugal. He is an example of a player who never played for a big enough team for the Greek NT to show any interest.
Concerning Hugo Sousa (pictured) and Platellas - they have both stated they want to stay.
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/18/05/18/153329.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Maio de 2018, 21:40
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Maio de 2018, 15:13
This is bad for either Jimenez and AEK. Las Palmas will play the second division and AEK lost a good coach that made them champions.
An extra €250,000 can change one's direction very quickly. Manolo probably thought he deserved a reward. The Pontian (worth 3 billion - yes you heard it 3 billion..) obviously disagreed.
=======================================
In other news - a topic that has interest here and indeed I am interested in this club for some reason: Aris.. relegated famously because of massive debts. No idea why I have the need to discuss this stuff..
The owner is trying to build team with his war chest.
The coach they got today seems to be Paco Herrera. Now remember - Aris was originally one of the most Latin influenced teams in Greece or even in Europe. At one stage they had a team that was basically Barcelona B - with players like Javito dominating. Also tonnes of Portuguese players and South Americans. Seems they will do the same again.
They are after one of their own youth players - the talented Gianniotas - who is rotting in Valladolid and who is Olympiacos property.
They will probably keep one or two talented players they already have, like Hugo Sousa, Platellas and the half Greek half Jordanian Angelos Chanti - who bizarrely I think is good enough to play in Portugal. He is an example of a player who never played for a big enough team for the Greek NT to show any interest.
Concerning Hugo Sousa (pictured) and Platellas - they have both stated they want to stay.
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/18/05/18/153329.jpg)
Was really hoping they would get a portuguese manager...
Platellas on one side & Gianniotas on the other sounds reallyyyyyyyyyy good. Also Nounis as a bench impact player.
Didn't know about Chanti tbh will need to look into him.
Citação de: Calcio em 25 de Maio de 2018, 22:53
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Maio de 2018, 21:40
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Maio de 2018, 15:13
This is bad for either Jimenez and AEK. Las Palmas will play the second division and AEK lost a good coach that made them champions.
An extra €250,000 can change one's direction very quickly. Manolo probably thought he deserved a reward. The Pontian (worth 3 billion - yes you heard it 3 billion..) obviously disagreed.
=======================================
In other news - a topic that has interest here and indeed I am interested in this club for some reason: Aris.. relegated famously because of massive debts. No idea why I have the need to discuss this stuff..
The owner is trying to build team with his war chest.
The coach they got today seems to be Paco Herrera. Now remember - Aris was originally one of the most Latin influenced teams in Greece or even in Europe. At one stage they had a team that was basically Barcelona B - with players like Javito dominating. Also tonnes of Portuguese players and South Americans. Seems they will do the same again.
They are after one of their own youth players - the talented Gianniotas - who is rotting in Valladolid and who is Olympiacos property.
They will probably keep one or two talented players they already have, like Hugo Sousa, Platellas and the half Greek half Jordanian Angelos Chanti - who bizarrely I think is good enough to play in Portugal. He is an example of a player who never played for a big enough team for the Greek NT to show any interest.
Concerning Hugo Sousa (pictured) and Platellas - they have both stated they want to stay.
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/18/05/18/153329.jpg)
Was really hoping they would get a portuguese manager...
- perfect for a
Platellas on one side & Gianniotas on the other sounds reallyyyyyyyyyy good. Also Nounis as a bench impact player.
Didn't know about Chanti tbh will need to look into him.
Yes, those two together will be very effective - however I am sure both will want to play on the right side.. :whistle2:
Aris will be a very attacking side as usual.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFB3FhJBGJw
His goals dont really describe the type of player he is but the video also shows some of his assists. He is very natural on the ball - perfect for a quick attacking game. A few players like him in Greece but the Greeks never seem to care much about them. I remember when I first watched him in a full game - he was dominating the attack. The name Chanti is not Greek. Could not figure it out because his first name was Angelos - the most Greek name possible. When I found he had a Greek mother and Jordanian father - and was born in southern Greece - was like - what a strange thing - but pretty cool too.
(http://arisfc.com.gr/images/cobalt_thumbs/image/726/fa056e20fc447ee3757fee3748a7b605.jpg)
A guy name Angelos Cha... is shit! >:(
Citação de: Cloughie em 26 de Maio de 2018, 00:54
A guy name Angelos Cha... is shit! >:(
What is ridiculous is that Greeks allow there names to be spelt in English with a 'ch' when it should either be a 'x' or 'h.'
Plenty of examples.
Jose Cholebas in Greek? Xolebas (Χολέβας). The 'X' has a 'h' sound - so his name should be pronounced 'Holebas.'
Charisteas (goodness knows how the Portuguese commentary pronounced his name in Euro2004..) In Greek again - his name is Xaristeas (Χαριστέας) - pronounced 'Haristeas.'
So all these stupid translations they submit to UEFA sound nothing like their names. 'Holebas' spelt 'Cholebas' - sounds ridiculous because Greeks don't seem to understand 'ch' in English gives a completely different sound.
With Angelos Chanti (Xanti in Greek - Χαντί) - it is the same shit - but even more bizarre. His name being Jordanian was probably Hadji i am guessing, or maybe Hadi. Greeks do another stupid thing. They have two 'd's. The first - Delta - Δ - a soft 'd' pronounced 'thelta' and the second a diphthong n+t = nt = which gives a strong 'd' sound for a name like Davide. Now again - instead of realising that 'd' in latin is already strong - they translate the diphthong :crazy2: directly into english.. So for example - the AEK player Petros Ma
ntalos should be spelling his name in English Petros Madalos - but he doesn't.... Greeks assume the Latin world knows what 'nt' means.. needless to say no one does..
So poor old Chanti should actually read in English 'Xadi' or 'Hadi.' I have explained this to Greeks many times and tried to change this ridiculous thing and while they all agreed something should be done - no one - even in academic circles could be bothered.
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 01:22
Citação de: Cloughie em 26 de Maio de 2018, 00:54
A guy name Angelos Cha... is shit! >:(
What is ridiculous is that Greeks allow there names to be spelt in English with a 'ch' when it should either be a 'x' or 'h.'
Plenty of examples.
Jose Cholebas in Greek? Xolebas (Χολέβας). The 'X' has a 'h' sound - so his name should be pronounced 'Holebas.'
Charisteas. (goodness knows how the Portuguese commentary pronounced his name in Euro2004..) In Greek again - his name is Xaristeas (Χαριστέας) - pronounced 'Haristeas.'
So all these stupid translations they submit to UEFA sound nothing like their names. 'Holebas' spelt 'Cholebas' - sounds ridiculous because Greeks don't seem to understand 'ch' in English gives a completely different sound.
With Angelos Chanti (Xanti in Greek - Χαντί) - it is the same shit - but even more bizarre. His name being jordanian was probably Hadji i am guessing, or maybe Hadi. Greeks do another stupid thing. they have two 'd's. Delta - Δ - a soft 'd' pronounced 'thelta' and a diphthong n+t = nt = a strong 'd' sound for a name like Davide. Now again - instead of realising that 'd' in latin is already string - they translate the diphthong :crazy2: directly into english.. So for example - the player Petros Mantalos should be Petros Madalos.
So poor old Chanti should actually read in English 'Xadi' or 'Hadi.' I have explained this to Greeks many times and tried to change this ridiculous thing and while they all agreed something should be done - no one - even in academic circles could be bothered.
Holebas is pronounced correctly in Portugal.
The other guy ( >:( >:( ) no.
Citação de: Cloughie em 26 de Maio de 2018, 01:24
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 01:22
Citação de: Cloughie em 26 de Maio de 2018, 00:54
A guy name Angelos Cha... is shit! >:(
What is ridiculous is that Greeks allow there names to be spelt in English with a 'ch' when it should either be a 'x' or 'h.'
Plenty of examples.
Jose Cholebas in Greek? Xolebas (Χολέβας). The 'X' has a 'h' sound - so his name should be pronounced 'Holebas.'
Charisteas. (goodness knows how the Portuguese commentary pronounced his name in Euro2004..) In Greek again - his name is Xaristeas (Χαριστέας) - pronounced 'Haristeas.'
So all these stupid translations they submit to UEFA sound nothing like their names. 'Holebas' spelt 'Cholebas' - sounds ridiculous because Greeks don't seem to understand 'ch' in English gives a completely different sound.
With Angelos Chanti (Xanti in Greek - Χαντί) - it is the same shit - but even more bizarre. His name being jordanian was probably Hadji i am guessing, or maybe Hadi. Greeks do another stupid thing. they have two 'd's. Delta - Δ - a soft 'd' pronounced 'thelta' and a diphthong n+t = nt = a strong 'd' sound for a name like Davide. Now again - instead of realising that 'd' in latin is already string - they translate the diphthong :crazy2: directly into english.. So for example - the player Petros Mantalos should be Petros Madalos.
So poor old Chanti should actually read in English 'Xadi' or 'Hadi.' I have explained this to Greeks many times and tried to change this ridiculous thing and while they all agreed something should be done - no one - even in academic circles could be bothered.
Holebas is pronounced correctly in Portugal.
The other guy ( >:( >:( ) no.
How did you guys say his name? Ch -arist -eas?
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 01:32
Citação de: Cloughie em 26 de Maio de 2018, 01:24
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 01:22
Citação de: Cloughie em 26 de Maio de 2018, 00:54
A guy name Angelos Cha... is shit! >:(
What is ridiculous is that Greeks allow there names to be spelt in English with a 'ch' when it should either be a 'x' or 'h.'
Plenty of examples.
Jose Cholebas in Greek? Xolebas (Χολέβας). The 'X' has a 'h' sound - so his name should be pronounced 'Holebas.'
Charisteas. (goodness knows how the Portuguese commentary pronounced his name in Euro2004..) In Greek again - his name is Xaristeas (Χαριστέας) - pronounced 'Haristeas.'
So all these stupid translations they submit to UEFA sound nothing like their names. 'Holebas' spelt 'Cholebas' - sounds ridiculous because Greeks don't seem to understand 'ch' in English gives a completely different sound.
With Angelos Chanti (Xanti in Greek - Χαντί) - it is the same shit - but even more bizarre. His name being jordanian was probably Hadji i am guessing, or maybe Hadi. Greeks do another stupid thing. they have two 'd's. Delta - Δ - a soft 'd' pronounced 'thelta' and a diphthong n+t = nt = a strong 'd' sound for a name like Davide. Now again - instead of realising that 'd' in latin is already string - they translate the diphthong :crazy2: directly into english.. So for example - the player Petros Mantalos should be Petros Madalos.
So poor old Chanti should actually read in English 'Xadi' or 'Hadi.' I have explained this to Greeks many times and tried to change this ridiculous thing and while they all agreed something should be done - no one - even in academic circles could be bothered.
Holebas is pronounced correctly in Portugal.
The other guy ( >:( >:( ) no.
How did you guys say his name? Ch -arist -eas?
Sometimes "cha", sometimes "Ca" which is something like "Ka".
Citação de: Cloughie em 26 de Maio de 2018, 01:44
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 01:32
Citação de: Cloughie em 26 de Maio de 2018, 01:24
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 01:22
Citação de: Cloughie em 26 de Maio de 2018, 00:54
A guy name Angelos Cha... is shit! >:(
What is ridiculous is that Greeks allow there names to be spelt in English with a 'ch' when it should either be a 'x' or 'h.'
Plenty of examples.
Jose Cholebas in Greek? Xolebas (Χολέβας). The 'X' has a 'h' sound - so his name should be pronounced 'Holebas.'
Charisteas. (goodness knows how the Portuguese commentary pronounced his name in Euro2004..) In Greek again - his name is Xaristeas (Χαριστέας) - pronounced 'Haristeas.'
So all these stupid translations they submit to UEFA sound nothing like their names. 'Holebas' spelt 'Cholebas' - sounds ridiculous because Greeks don't seem to understand 'ch' in English gives a completely different sound.
With Angelos Chanti (Xanti in Greek - Χαντί) - it is the same shit - but even more bizarre. His name being jordanian was probably Hadji i am guessing, or maybe Hadi. Greeks do another stupid thing. they have two 'd's. Delta - Δ - a soft 'd' pronounced 'thelta' and a diphthong n+t = nt = a strong 'd' sound for a name like Davide. Now again - instead of realising that 'd' in latin is already string - they translate the diphthong :crazy2: directly into english.. So for example - the player Petros Mantalos should be Petros Madalos.
So poor old Chanti should actually read in English 'Xadi' or 'Hadi.' I have explained this to Greeks many times and tried to change this ridiculous thing and while they all agreed something should be done - no one - even in academic circles could be bothered.
Holebas is pronounced correctly in Portugal.
The other guy ( >:( >:( ) no.
How did you guys say his name? Ch -arist -eas?
Sometimes "cha", sometimes "Ca" which is something like "Ka".
Yea, same in the UK. :crazy2:
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Maio de 2018, 18:29
Agree with you both. Not only that, half there team has just jumped ship!
Johansson
Lazaros
Kone
Well, they always can buy better players...
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 01:22What is ridiculous is that Greeks allow there names to be spelt in English with a 'ch' when it should either be a 'x' or 'h.'
I wouldn't say it's ridiculous. It's actually the way the letter "chi" has been traditionally transliterated into the Latin alphabet since the Classical Age. An aspirated "k" sound in Greek but usually having a normal "k" sound in Latin and all its daughter tongues.
Chronology, Christology, Chiropractic, Tauromachy, etc.
The problem, so to speak, is that since the official adoption of the Demotic tongue in the 70's, instead of the literary (and classical inspired) Katharevousa, there's not a single official transliteration rule of Greek into the Roman alphabet.
That's why you have the beta being transliterated as "v", the real sound of beta in modern Greek, but which classically has the value of "b", the same with all the iotization of classical diphthongs "oi, ei,"
etc., and long vowels such as eta which now are just commonly transliterated as "i", the absence of the aspirated initial H, etc. (Iraklis instead of Heracles, Omonia instead of Omonoia or Omonoea). This happens in order to reflect more closely the pronunciation of modern Greek but it has also created some difficulties.
You have the same name, for instance, with two transilaterations. A classical one, "Aristoteles," and a modern one "Aristotelis." And so on. There's not an easy solution to this.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 26 de Maio de 2018, 15:59
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 01:22What is ridiculous is that Greeks allow there names to be spelt in English with a 'ch' when it should either be a 'x' or 'h.'
I wouldn't say it's ridiculous. It's actually the way the letter "chi" has been traditionally transliterated into the Latin alphabet since the Classical Age. An aspirated "k" sound in Greek but usually having a normal "k" sound in Latin and all its daughter tongues.
Chronology, Christology, Chiropractic, Tauromachy, etc.
The problem, so to speak, is that since the official adoption of the Demotic tongue in the 70's, instead of the literary (and classical inspired) Katharevousa, there's not a single official transliteration rule of Greek into the Roman alphabet.
Indeed, but that is the problem - it depends what vowel follows. One of the most common names in Greece for example is Χαράλαμπος - Haralambos. No one bothers with all that. So what people do is shorten it to Xari - actually pronounced Hari. So again - Greeks will give the incorrect Charalambos spelling in English - meaning most people abroad will incorrectly call them Chara - lambos instead of the correct Haralambos. I understand Greek has been through a washing machine - but seriously - would it be that hard to tell people - the 'X' in Greek is a 'Ha' sound when followed by an 'a' ? When the X is followed by an 'e' than like Xenidis - then the sound is more 'ks' - 'ksenidis' fair enough - but can we just educate the world as Greeks this is how the language goes instead of all this 'ch' business? For example the Catalan player Xavi. English had to ask politely - how is that pronounced - they were told 'shaby' - fair enough. We learnt. Why can't the Greeks keep the X in place and just let others learn how it is said instead of all this transliteration? Why do greeks always have to leave a grey area?
When I was kid - I remember still seen signs for Athens in Katharevousa.
Αθήναι :crazy2:
Anyways it is all fucked up - just irritates me. Surely you would want your name pronounced properly.. I remember I watched a Europa League game years ago and Greek team was playing and the commentator was English and really confident in his tone - you know the type.. and then he starts saying the names.. Karagounishhhh to Katshhouranishhh - back to Goumassshhh. I was like.. he thinks these guys are Portuguese?? :drool: :drool:
Citação de: Covenant em 26 de Maio de 2018, 14:39
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Maio de 2018, 18:29
Agree with you both. Not only that, half there team has just jumped ship!
Johansson
Lazaros
Kone
Well, they always can buy better players...
True.. but look at this way - they just bought Livaja - for me one of their crapper players and Arajuo may leave.. with a few others... They seem to be going backwards.. Anyways, good news for me. Don't want them to win any more games than they have to. :smokin:
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 19:00
Anyways it is all fucked up - just irritates me. Surely you would want your name pronounced properly...
Sure but the question is not that simple.
Orthography is not something straightforward. Even when you don't have transliteration problems derived from having different alphabets, you have irregularities or different ways to spell sounds even in languages written with the Latin script.
Take Albanian, for instance. How often have you heard people saying the name Granit Xhaka correctly? It sounds "Graneet Djaka" in Albanian but more often then not you hear commentators and people in the news saying "Shaka." Why? Because they didn't bother to learn that in Albanian the sounds are written differently, just as English, French, Spanish or German are different. The same with Turkish names written in Latin script. Or Portuguese names with nasal diphthongs (João, Guimarães, etc.) More often than not, commentators say them all wrong, despite the fact that the alphabet is the same.
You can't just transliterate everying into neutral IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet), unless it's for education purposes. Every language has its traditions and idiosyncracies. More often than not you have to learn how to say things properly, instead of just being lazy and reading it as it is. In any language.
Greek is no different, despite the transliteration irregularities into the Latin alphabet. I'm a fan of the Classical and traditional transliteration of Greek, for instance, although I recognize it makes reading it properly, with modern Demotic pronuncation, more difficult. In any case, it's not a black and white issue.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 26 de Maio de 2018, 19:10
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 19:00
Anyways it is all fucked up - just irritates me. Surely you would want your name pronounced properly...
Sure but the question is not that simple.
Orthography is not something straightforward. Even when you don't have transliteration problems derived from having different alphabets, you have irregularities or different ways to spell sounds even in languages written with the Latin script.
Take Albanian, for instance. How often have you heard people saying the name Granit Xhaka correctly? It sounds "Graneet Djaka" in Albanian but more often then not you hear commentators and people in the news saying "Shaka." Why? Because they didn't bother to learn that in Albanian the sounds are written differently, just as English, French, Spanish or German are different. The same with Turkish names written in Latin script. Or Portuguese names with nasal diphthongs (João, Guimarães, etc.) More often than not, commentators say them all wrong, despite the fact that the alphabet is the same.
You can't just transliterate everying into neutral IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet), unless it's for education purposes. Every language has its traditions and idiosyncracies. More often than not you have to learn how to say things properly, instead of just being lazy and reading it as it is. In any language.
Greek is no different, despite the transliteration irregularities into the Latin alphabet. I'm a fan of the Classical and traditional transliteration of Greek, for instance, although I recognize it makes reading it properly, with modern Demotic pronuncation, more difficult. In any case, it's not a black and white issue.
Sure but the Greeks don't need to sacrifice their name in greek - just make it more simple in Latin. What would be the problem with 'Cholevas' spelling his name with the original Xei and just call himself Xolevas in English? That would also respect the original form of the X. I understand the Chi has some pedigree due to ancient influences but we are already in a fucked up place when in actual fact the two most common sounds from X are 'ks' or 'h' - neither of which sound like 'chi.'
Just really annoys me. My Papou was from the capital of the Tsakonian speaking part of Greece - you should hear that language being spoken by the few left that still speak it.. :estrelas: :estrelas:
Charisteas?! Don't mention that name ::bater::
I certainly would have loved to hear how the Argentinean commentator pronounced Bicakcic.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 26 de Maio de 2018, 21:55
I certainly would have loved to hear how the Argentinean commentator pronounced Bicakcic.
Zdjelar I always used to say - 'that serb you know.. dzdzjel-dar..'
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 22:36
Citação de: StellaRojas em 26 de Maio de 2018, 21:55
I certainly would have loved to hear how the Argentinean commentator pronounced Bicakcic.
Zdjelar I always used to say - 'that serb you know.. dzdzjel-dar..'
:rir:
Could have just said Sasha. :smokin:
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 19:23Sure but the Greeks don't need to sacrifice their name in greek - just make it more simple in Latin. What would be the problem with 'Cholevas' spelling his name with the original Xei and just call himself Xolevas in English? That would also respect the original form of the X. I understand the Chi has some pedigree due to ancient influences but we are already in a fucked up place when in actual fact the two most common sounds from X are 'ks' or 'h' - neither of which sound like 'chi.'
Spelling the name Xolevas wouldn't solve anything because the letter "x" has a variety of possible sounds in English and most western languages. Some people would read it "Sholevas", others "Ksolevas" and so on. Furthermore, there's no precedent in transliterating the Greek letter "chi" as "x" in the Latin script.
Spelling it as "Holevas" might be slightly better but the "h" doesn't quite capture the guttural aspiration of the letter "chi." However, the digraph "ch" has been used to transliterate the "chi" letter since Roman times, so it's just a matter of proper education to be able to read it as an aspirated "k", which is what it is. So we're back to round one: in order to read someone's name properly, it's not enough that it's written as closely as it actually sounds (which is mainly impossible to begin with), but that the person reading it makes an effort to learn it. The same way we all make an effort to read an English name properly which, more often than not, cannot be discerned by orthography alone, given the vast irregularities of the English language.
CitaçãoJust really annoys me. My Papou was from the capital of the Tsakonian speaking part of Greece - you should hear that language being spoken by the few left that still speak it.. :estrelas: :estrelas:
Your grandfather was from Sparta? That's cool.
I know Tsakonian is a variant that descends from the old Doric Greek and not Athenian or Attic Greek. I've just seen a few words here and there.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 26 de Maio de 2018, 22:48
Spelling the name Xolevas wouldn't solve anything because the letter "x" has a variety of possible sounds in English and most western languages. Some people would read it "Sholevas", others "Ksolevas" and so on. Furthermore, there's no precedent in transliterating the Greek letter "chi" as "x" in the Latin script.
Same for the use of the X in spanish. It drifts from sound to sound. The point is they still use the X and not some rough idea of what the X should sound like - which is what Greek into English does. Also if someone uses the H as English do in the word 'how' - that is exactly the sound for Xolebas.
Citação
Your grandfather was from Sparta? That's cool.
I know Tsakonian is a variant that descends from the old Doric Greek and not Athenian or Attic Greek. I've just seen a few words here and there.
Haha, no the centre of Tsakonian is Leonidio and that is where he is from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nxD4GDJXCw
The sound is fairly strange - sounds slavic to my ear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4RcEjf9YOM
Sporting is supposedly after Paschalakis. Is he any good? :confused:
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Maio de 2018, 23:20
Sporting is supposedly after Paschalakis. Is he any good? :confused:
I think so. Far better than Karius. :smokin:
But seriously, yes, he seems solid. I remember him at Panthrakikos. Talent. Good at most things. In fact, if you haven't noticed my dear old friend Calcio, the guy is a fucking monster. 6'6 and not a skinny 6'6. Built.
(https://i1.wp.com/www.olaballa.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/pasxalakis.jpg?resize=630%2C378)
Citação de: StellaRojas em 26 de Maio de 2018, 22:45
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 22:36
Citação de: StellaRojas em 26 de Maio de 2018, 21:55
I certainly would have loved to hear how the Argentinean commentator pronounced Bicakcic.
Zdjelar I always used to say - 'that serb you know.. dzdzjel-dar..'
:rir:
Could have just said Sasha. :smokin:
Yea.. That seems now the obvious thing to have done..
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 23:25
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Maio de 2018, 23:20
Sporting is supposedly after Paschalakis. Is he any good? :confused:
I think so. Far better than Karius. :smokin:
But seriously, yes, he seems solid. I remember him at Panthrakikos. Talent. Good at most things. In fact, if you haven't noticed my dear old friend Calcio, the guy is a fucking monster. 6'6 and not a skinny 6'6. Built.
(https://i1.wp.com/www.olaballa.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/pasxalakis.jpg?resize=630%2C378)
What an unit.
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Maio de 2018, 00:01
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 23:25
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Maio de 2018, 23:20
Sporting is supposedly after Paschalakis. Is he any good? :confused:
I think so. Far better than Karius. :smokin:
But seriously, yes, he seems solid. I remember him at Panthrakikos. Talent. Good at most things. In fact, if you haven't noticed my dear old friend Calcio, the guy is a fucking monster. 6'6 and not a skinny 6'6. Built.
(https://i1.wp.com/www.olaballa.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/pasxalakis.jpg?resize=630%2C378)
What an unit.
Yea, I remember him at Panthrax - even told my mate who is a junior football coach. He was unaware of him. Then I lost track of the guy. Turns up at PAOK and today when you asked me about him - I realise it is the same guy who hugely impressed me at Panthrax. O0
Better than Vlachodimos?
Citação de: miguelsousamartins em 27 de Maio de 2018, 11:25
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Maio de 2018, 11:22
Citação de: Cloughie em 27 de Maio de 2018, 04:10
Better than Vlachodimos?
For me yes.
what is your opinion on vlachodimos?
Never saw anything that made me think he is super talented or anything. There is still time for him to become a better product. When I heard Benfica wanted him - I always assumed it was to make money from the deal - rather than to find a new keeper for Benfica themselves.
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 23:25
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Maio de 2018, 23:20
Sporting is supposedly after Paschalakis. Is he any good? :confused:
I think so. Far better than Karius. :smokin:
But seriously, yes, he seems solid. I remember him at Panthrakikos. Talent. Good at most things. In fact, if you haven't noticed my dear old friend Calcio, the guy is a fucking monster. 6'6 and not a skinny 6'6. Built.
(https://i1.wp.com/www.olaballa.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/pasxalakis.jpg?resize=630%2C378)
Why are you using imperial? It's not very accurate for height. 6'6 ranges from like 198cm to 200cm I think?
Also those must be massive feet they use to measure people's heights. I'm 1,83m (6'0 in the imperial system just barely. IF YOU'RE UNDER THIS HEIGHT YOU'RE A MANLET~!) and I'd need more than 6 of my own feet to measure my height from head to toes.
Citação de: Festivus em 27 de Maio de 2018, 21:35
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 23:25
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Maio de 2018, 23:20
Sporting is supposedly after Paschalakis. Is he any good? :confused:
I think so. Far better than Karius. :smokin:
But seriously, yes, he seems solid. I remember him at Panthrakikos. Talent. Good at most things. In fact, if you haven't noticed my dear old friend Calcio, the guy is a fucking monster. 6'6 and not a skinny 6'6. Built.
(https://i1.wp.com/www.olaballa.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/pasxalakis.jpg?resize=630%2C378)
Why are you using imperial? It's not very accurate for height. 6'6 ranges from like 198cm to 200cm I think?
How I was raised (London). At school we had to use both cms and inches. The rulers had both. However with people's height - we would only use feet and inches (I believe I am 5'10 ½ - I am not sure what that is in cms without using google) and to this day - we still use miles and not KMs on our roads. With food weights we now use grams finally (but not necessarily on the street). However for alcohol - we still use pints.
CitaçãoAlso those must be massive feet they use to measure people's heights. I'm 1,83m (6'0 in the imperial system just barely. IF YOU'RE UNDER THIS HEIGHT YOU'RE A MANLET~!) and I'd need more than 6 of my own feet to measure my height from head to toes.
No doubt it is a weird system. When I was growing up - there was a war going on whether to punish those still using imperial. As you can see many street sellers don't care:
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/17/article-1078648-02281F05000005DC-95_468x286.jpg)
The old school finally won the war it seems.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1078648/Victory-Metric-Martyrs-finally-win-right-sell-fruit-veg-pounds-ounces.html
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Maio de 2018, 21:57
Citação de: Festivus em 27 de Maio de 2018, 21:35
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 23:25
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Maio de 2018, 23:20
Sporting is supposedly after Paschalakis. Is he any good? :confused:
I think so. Far better than Karius. :smokin:
But seriously, yes, he seems solid. I remember him at Panthrakikos. Talent. Good at most things. In fact, if you haven't noticed my dear old friend Calcio, the guy is a fucking monster. 6'6 and not a skinny 6'6. Built.
(https://i1.wp.com/www.olaballa.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/pasxalakis.jpg?resize=630%2C378)
Why are you using imperial? It's not very accurate for height. 6'6 ranges from like 198cm to 200cm I think?
How I was raised (London). At school we had to use both cms and inches. The rulers had both. However with people's height - we would only use feet and inches (I believe I am 5'10 ½ - I am not sure what that is in cms without using google) and to this day - we still use miles and not KMs on our roads. With food weights we now use grams finally. However for alcohol - we still used pints.
CitaçãoAlso those must be massive feet they use to measure people's heights. I'm 1,83m (6'0 in the imperial system just barely. IF YOU'RE UNDER THIS HEIGHT YOU'RE A MANLET~!) and I'd need more than 6 of my own feet to measure my height from head to toes.
No doubt it is a weird system. When I was growing up - there was a war going on whether to punish those still using imperial. As you can see many street sellers don't care:
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/17/article-1078648-02281F05000005DC-95_468x286.jpg)
The old school finally won the war it seems.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1078648/Victory-Metric-Martyrs-finally-win-right-sell-fruit-veg-pounds-ounces.html
I always forget that countries like Canada, NZ and Australia actually use metric, as does the UK it seems. I often see those people online using imperial. Australians are odd in that case. They use metric for everything, except height where they still use imperial. :crazy2:
Was the imperial system a UK invention that spread to their colonies or is it something most European countries and countries in the world used at some point? :confused:
Citação de: Festivus em 27 de Maio de 2018, 21:59
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Maio de 2018, 21:57
Citação de: Festivus em 27 de Maio de 2018, 21:35
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2018, 23:25
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Maio de 2018, 23:20
Sporting is supposedly after Paschalakis. Is he any good? :confused:
I think so. Far better than Karius. :smokin:
But seriously, yes, he seems solid. I remember him at Panthrakikos. Talent. Good at most things. In fact, if you haven't noticed my dear old friend Calcio, the guy is a fucking monster. 6'6 and not a skinny 6'6. Built.
(https://i1.wp.com/www.olaballa.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/pasxalakis.jpg?resize=630%2C378)
Why are you using imperial? It's not very accurate for height. 6'6 ranges from like 198cm to 200cm I think?
How I was raised (London). At school we had to use both cms and inches. The rulers had both. However with people's height - we would only use feet and inches (I believe I am 5'10 ½ - I am not sure what that is in cms without using google) and to this day - we still use miles and not KMs on our roads. With food weights we now use grams finally. However for alcohol - we still used pints.
CitaçãoAlso those must be massive feet they use to measure people's heights. I'm 1,83m (6'0 in the imperial system just barely. IF YOU'RE UNDER THIS HEIGHT YOU'RE A MANLET~!) and I'd need more than 6 of my own feet to measure my height from head to toes.
No doubt it is a weird system. When I was growing up - there was a war going on whether to punish those still using imperial. As you can see many street sellers don't care:
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/17/article-1078648-02281F05000005DC-95_468x286.jpg)
The old school finally won the war it seems.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1078648/Victory-Metric-Martyrs-finally-win-right-sell-fruit-veg-pounds-ounces.html
I always forget that countries like Canada, NZ and Australia actually use metric, as does the UK it seems. I often see those people online using imperial. Australians are odd in that case. They use metric for everything, except height where they still use imperial. :crazy2:
Was the imperial system a UK invention that spread to their colonies or is it something most European countries and countries in the world used at some point? :confused:
Imperial units began in 1826 and everyone in the Empire had to use them - they are the continuation of 'English Units.' English Units were the direct descendant of Anglo Saxon and
Roman Units. It was the Romans who loved this whole 'feet' business and obviously they had their own miles - very similar to our miles (a bit longer in fact - a Roman mile was supposed to be 1000 paces).
It is fucked up. I remember - fuck - to this day - when I meet an old school Brit and they are selling fruit and veg - and they say - 'here 2 Lbs (pounds) of bananas' - still can't work out what that is in kilos. Ounces I am even worse with. You see in supermarkets it is all kilos and grams and I even worked in a super market delicatessen and I was trained only in kilos and grams. The one that fucks me off the most is property. I know how big 50sqm is for example - but so many agents talk only in square feet - which I immediately have to google. If I ask them - 'how much is that in square meters?' - they look at me blank and can't figure it out. This is what having a dual system does. Our money system used to be even worse (shillings (12 pence??), halfpennies etc) - but thankfully it was before my time..
Heavy work has begun at the AEK stadium site. Second tier on the north stand starting to take shape.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3BoLiyiTh0
How is the situation in Panathinaikos?
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Junho de 2018, 03:15
How is the situation in Panathinaikos?
Seems the Thai bought PAO. Confirmation in the next few weeks. All debts and players have been paid, Donis hired as new coach and they have signed a few players - they are now looking to sign Leo Bonatini who used to play for Estoril.
They seem safe. The rules that demoted clubs like Iraklis were bent to keep PAO in the league. The mentally unstable Dimitrios Giannakopoulos is working 24/7 to convince the Thai of his hair-brained idea to move PAO to the OAKA and convert the Olympic stadium to a football ground instead of developing a proper site like Votanikos or Goudi.
Take Fernando Santos back, please.
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Junho de 2018, 21:24
Take Fernando Santos back, please.
Not in a million years. :)
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Junho de 2018, 21:32
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Junho de 2018, 21:24
Take Fernando Santos back, please.
Not in a million years. :)
I thought we were friends by now...
In all seriousness now, how could anyone think he was a good coach even after Euro 2016?! Fuck him, man.
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Junho de 2018, 21:33
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Junho de 2018, 21:32
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Junho de 2018, 21:24
Take Fernando Santos back, please.
Not in a million years. :)
I thought we were friends by now...
In all seriousness now, how could anyone think he was a good coach even after Euro 2016?! Fuck him, man.
It is because we overstate the ability of coaches in general. When a team win something big - the press want to imagine a tinkering mastermind behind the victory - but a lot of the time - the winning team simply have the best team spirit and players.
I remember Santos in Greece like it was yesterday. I absolutely hated his tactics and that is why when I was repeatedly asked on here if Olympiacos would ever get him - I stated no. Nor would they want him. He is a deeply negative coach and even with Greece - in the WC - we could have easily beaten Costa Rica. They were playing with 10 men from the 66th minute! The players he used.. the way he set out the team - he was playing to go to penalties from the 66th minute even though we had an extra player.. he got his dream and we went out 5-3 on pens.
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Julho de 2018, 11:36
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Junho de 2018, 21:33
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Junho de 2018, 21:32
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Junho de 2018, 21:24
Take Fernando Santos back, please.
Not in a million years. :)
I thought we were friends by now...
In all seriousness now, how could anyone think he was a good coach even after Euro 2016?! Fuck him, man.
It is because we overstate the ability of coaches in general. When a team win something big - the press want to imagine a tinkering mastermind behind the victory - but a lot of the time - the winning team simply have the best team spirit and players.
I remember Santos in Greece like it was yesterday. I absolutely hated his tactics and that is why when I was repeatedly asked on here if Olympiacos would ever get him - I stated no. Nor would they want him. He is a deeply negative coach and even with Greece - in the WC - we could have easily beaten Costa Rica. They were playing with 10 men from the 66th minute! The players he used.. the way he set out the team - he was playing to go to penalties from the 66th minute even though we had an extra player.. he got his dream and we went out 5-3 on pens.
Tbh he didn't do so badly for Greece. I mean, he made it to the last 16. Don't remember about Euro 2012. Did you make it to the QFs? For Greece, qualifying for the WC and passing the group stage is pretty good already. No wonder the Greek press liked him a lot. He probably didn't have much pressure there.
But yes, he made history with Greece in 2014 as far as Greece in the World Cup goes... but he could have made his team reach the QFs, which would have been even better. Costa Rica had a good tournament, but of all teams you could have faced in the last 16 round, you were lucky to face the most accessible one, and Santos dun goofed.
He managed the big 3 in Portugal and was fired from every single one of them. I'll never forget Benfica under him losing games 3-0 or 3-1 and him saying in the press conference afterwards "I told the players to stay focused and not concede any goals. What else could I have done?" He has an ego and tends to blame players for his incompetence.
He majored in Electrical Engineering... surely it wasn't hard for him to find a job in that field? But ofc football makes him a lot more money... and despite his mediocre quality he has made a lot of money, I bet. So yeah, good career change choice lol
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Julho de 2018, 13:27
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Julho de 2018, 11:36
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Junho de 2018, 21:33
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Junho de 2018, 21:32
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Junho de 2018, 21:24
Take Fernando Santos back, please.
Not in a million years. :)
I thought we were friends by now...
In all seriousness now, how could anyone think he was a good coach even after Euro 2016?! Fuck him, man.
It is because we overstate the ability of coaches in general. When a team win something big - the press want to imagine a tinkering mastermind behind the victory - but a lot of the time - the winning team simply have the best team spirit and players.
I remember Santos in Greece like it was yesterday. I absolutely hated his tactics and that is why when I was repeatedly asked on here if Olympiacos would ever get him - I stated no. Nor would they want him. He is a deeply negative coach and even with Greece - in the WC - we could have easily beaten Costa Rica. They were playing with 10 men from the 66th minute! The players he used.. the way he set out the team - he was playing to go to penalties from the 66th minute even though we had an extra player.. he got his dream and we went out 5-3 on pens.
Tbh he didn't do so badly for Greece. I mean, he made it to the last 16. Don't remember about Euro 2012. Did you make it to the QFs? For Greece, qualifying for the WC and passing the group stage is pretty good already. No wonder the Greek press liked him a lot. He probably didn't have much pressure there.
But yes, he made history with Greece in 2014 as far as Greece in the World Cup goes... but he could have made his team reach the QFs, which would have been even better. Costa Rica had a good tournament, but of all teams you could have faced in the last 16 round, you were lucky to face the most accessible one, and Santos dun goofed.
He managed the big 3 in Portugal and was fired from every single one of them. I'll never forget Benfica under him losing games 3-0 or 3-1 and him saying in the press conference afterwards "I told the players to stay focused and not concede any goals. What else could I have done?" He has an ego and tends to blame players for his incompetence.
He majored in Electrical Engineering... surely it wasn't hard for him to find a job in that field? But ofc football makes him a lot more money... and despite his mediocre quality he has made a lot of money, I bet. So yeah, good career change choice lol
Well it is an interesting subject and you are correct - he had no pressure on him in Greece - he was loved by the press. When he coached AEK, PAO and PAOK (amazing to think he coached all 3..) - he was known for his negative tactics and I never liked the way he set out a team and that is why even coaches such as Tsiolis often out-coached him on the field - creating far more vibrant teams also.
The problem for me is he doesn't seem to have that killer instinct and also he has bizarre favourites - in Hellas anyway.. You are right - he took us further in the WC than anyone else - and also the QF in the Euro (we didn't stand a chance vs Germany so that really was our ceiling there). However - in the WC he had the players to destroy Costa Rica - especially when they went down to 10 men.. his first sub? Another defensive midfielder..
The Hellas NT is also an unfair comparison to Portugal because we have underachieved for decades due to severe disorganisation and low IQed coaches - so it was not difficult for Otto or Santos to break records. We never used what we had properly - players like Machlas ruined in the NT.. Our first WC goes down in history for its incompetence and idiocy. Just look at the half time team talk during the 1994 WC where he is telling them to fucking shoot.. :crazy2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxiwo0r5hJY
BTW is it me or does Bernardo Silva have the body of 16 year old? This is what irritates me with some Greek players. They do zero gym work to strengthen their core.
Excellent interview with Manolas:
http://www.sport24.gr/Columns/longform/h-eksomologhsh-o-kwstas-manwlas-egine-aytokratoras-ths-rwmhs-gia-mia-hmera.5242990.html
Interestingly he commented on Jardim. Said he was a good, serious coach.
He also commented on Santos - seems to like him a lot.
Aris signing a spanish goalkeeper.
Any other transfers from them?
Citação de: Calcio em 12 de Julho de 2018, 14:05
Aris signing a spanish goalkeeper.
Any other transfers from them?
Plenty. They are building a team capable of wining the Segunda División as usual. ;D
(https://i.snag.gy/iTCKM0.jpg)
Can also add this guy to the list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicol%C3%A1s_Colazo
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AEK released their new kits:
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I hope that your relatives from Athens are safe, Faliro...
Best of luck on this tragedy, we know how hard it can be :amigo:
Citação de: diogo32 em 24 de Julho de 2018, 13:35
Best of luck on this tragedy, we know how hard it can be :amigo:
Citação de: StellaRojas em 24 de Julho de 2018, 11:30
I hope that your relatives from Athens are safe, Faliro...
Thanks to you both. Thankfully my relatives all seem fine. I hope they catch the guys that did this and execute them.
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Julho de 2018, 14:28
Citação de: diogo32 em 24 de Julho de 2018, 13:35
Best of luck on this tragedy, we know how hard it can be :amigo:
Citação de: StellaRojas em 24 de Julho de 2018, 11:30
I hope that your relatives from Athens are safe, Faliro...
Thanks to you both. Thankfully my relatives all seem fine. I hope they catch the guys that did this and execute them.
What a disaster...I have heard that some investors have been trying to build in " green areas" around Athens, and they have difficulties obtaining permissions from authorities...so they have a habit of setting fires in those areas.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 24 de Julho de 2018, 14:33
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Julho de 2018, 14:28
Citação de: diogo32 em 24 de Julho de 2018, 13:35
Best of luck on this tragedy, we know how hard it can be :amigo:
Citação de: StellaRojas em 24 de Julho de 2018, 11:30
I hope that your relatives from Athens are safe, Faliro...
Thanks to you both. Thankfully my relatives all seem fine. I hope they catch the guys that did this and execute them.
What a disaster...I have heard that some investors have been trying to build in " green areas" around Athens, and they have difficulties obtaining permissions from authorities...so they have a habit of setting fires in those areas.
Once again my Serbian friend, you are 100% correct. The land is highly valuable but you can't build on it because of the trees and forest - which are protected by Hellenic law. So the cock smokers wait for a heatwave.. it has been 35 degrees in the area this week... and then they set the place alight. :disgust:
Portugal had the exact same problem a year or two ago, with wildfires killing dozens of people as well.
When the weather gets too hot fires always pop out in forestry areas here. Around 2003 or 2004 we lots an area of forestry equivalent to the size of the country of Luxembourg.
Time to hang some people in Greece.
Είμαστε μαζί σας, φίλοι.
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Julho de 2018, 15:22
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Faliro, tell me more about Panionios when you can. History, fans, club culture, present situation, etc.
I've always liked them. I watched them live at Alvalade back in 2004 with a friend of mine. They were playing Sporting Lisbon for the UEFA Cup.
Citação de: Festivus em 24 de Julho de 2018, 17:45
Portugal had the exact same problem a year or two ago, with wildfires killing dozens of people as well.
When the weather gets too hot fires always pop out in forestry areas here. Around 2003 or 2004 we lots an area of forestry equivalent to the size of the country of Luxembourg.
I remember the Portuguese fires. They were horrific. I never researched their causes however.
This one in Hellas is man made.
15 separate fire initiations started this fire. The people who initiated these fires are murderers and need a public execution. Simple. We are now at 74 individuals including many children burned alive. Still around 40 missing.
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Julho de 2018, 00:05
Citação de: Festivus em 24 de Julho de 2018, 17:45
Portugal had the exact same problem a year or two ago, with wildfires killing dozens of people as well.
When the weather gets too hot fires always pop out in forestry areas here. Around 2003 or 2004 we lots an area of forestry equivalent to the size of the country of Luxembourg.
I remember the Portuguese fires. They were horrific. I never researched their causes however.
This one in Hellas is man made. 15 separate fire initiations started this fire. The people who initiated these fires are murderers and need a public execution. Simple. We are now at 74 individuals including many children burned alive. Still around 40 missing.
Apparently the cause of fires here were dry thunderstorms where a ray hit a tree and then BOOM a fire started out and spread.
Citação de: Festivus em 25 de Julho de 2018, 00:39
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Julho de 2018, 00:05
Citação de: Festivus em 24 de Julho de 2018, 17:45
Portugal had the exact same problem a year or two ago, with wildfires killing dozens of people as well.
When the weather gets too hot fires always pop out in forestry areas here. Around 2003 or 2004 we lots an area of forestry equivalent to the size of the country of Luxembourg.
I remember the Portuguese fires. They were horrific. I never researched their causes however.
This one in Hellas is man made. 15 separate fire initiations started this fire. The people who initiated these fires are murderers and need a public execution. Simple. We are now at 74 individuals including many children burned alive. Still around 40 missing.
Apparently the cause of fires here were dry thunderstorms where a ray hit a tree and then BOOM a fire started out and spread.
I don't know what is more horrific about this tragedy.. those burnt alive in cars, houses and gardens - or those who made it to the sea - just to be swept out by the current and wind and drowned.. the survivors floating with the corpses of their family members in the sea for 4 hours until a fishing boats rescued them.. some just taken out even further into the sea and never seen again.
Greeks have one thing that I have always noticed since a kid and they have had it since even before antiquity. You cannot separate them from the dead relative. They will fight to keep possession of the body to give it a proper burial. Listening to the accounts.. Family members were risking their lives being taken out further into the deep seas.. in the dark.. just to keep hold of the dead bodies (drowned) of their grandmas and sisters..
I am very angry right now.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 24 de Julho de 2018, 23:49
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Julho de 2018, 15:22
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Faliro, tell me more about Panionios when you can. History, fans, club culture, present situation, etc.
I've always liked them. I watched them live at Alvalade back in 2004 with a friend of mine. They were playing Sporting Lisbon for the UEFA Cup.
Interesting
multisports club - very cultural.
You have to go back to the 1890s for their foundation in Smyrna in Turkey (Smyrna is the name of an Amazonian said to have seduced Theseus) - now the city is called Izmir. At least half the population of that city was Greek - some state more like 65%. The Greeks dominated sports in the city and the two biggest clubs in the entire city were Panionios and Apollon (Apollo the God - a figure always used for those native of Asia Minor ever since the Trojan wars where he sided with the Trojans (natives of Anatolia)).
So Apollon and Panionios ruled the once great city until 1922 when every single surviving Greek of the city was removed from Turkey and the city itself burnt down. The survivors (there were many) settled some fields outside Athens and named the area Nea Smirni - 'New Smyrna' in English. Now Nea Smirni is a major area of Athens and a very good place to live. These Greek refugees brought the clubs with them too! So both Apollon and Panionios were simply relocated to Nea Smirni and continued where they left off - the same badges - same names (unchanged) - same colours. Was simply the same team but in their new city.
Here is Apollon (Full name: Gymnasticos Syllogos Apollon Smyrnis) in 1919 before the Great War - in Smyrna (Turkey):
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Apollon_Smyrna_1919.jpg)
And here is Panionios (Full name: Paniόnios Gymnastikόs Sýllogos Smýrnis, "Pan-Ionian Gymnastic Club of Smyrna) - also when they were still in Turkey -
(http://www.ilioupoligiaolous.gr/thpic.php?w=1140&h=800&image=/uplds/16328_filessmyr1_618745685.jpg)
Here is their Volleyball team - 1920 - still located in Turkey in those days (notice the original and beautiful Panionios crest in the centre of the shirts - they still sometimes use that badge):
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/el/thumb/d/d6/1920_Panionios_Smyrna_voleyball_champions.jpg/800px-1920_Panionios_Smyrna_voleyball_champions.jpg)
Two Panionios greats - Recoba and Estanyoff - notice the same old Panionios crest in blue on the right of their shirts:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_v-axFTn1mvU/SfbJICpkcdI/AAAAAAAAFWM/_91whBFkNto/s400/recoba-estogianof.jpg)
The symbol is a 'Π' (P) overlayed on a 'Σ' (S) - Panionios Smynri:
(https://i.snag.gy/vcTlOW.jpg)
Recently and sadly - Panionios's original old stadium got demolished in Izmir, Turkey (near the Greek cemetery):
(http://www.ilioupoligiaolous.gr/uplds/image/PANIONIOS_GIPEDO_SMYRNH.jpg)
(http://www.pontos-news.gr/sites/default/files/styles/article_main_full/public/article/2016-03/istoriko_gipedo_panioniou_12.jpg?itok=8onV1A8O)
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So Apollon and Panionios established themselves in Athens from the minute they arrived in Greece in 1922 and both are still in the Super League today! Apollon have their home at the Rizoupoli:
(http://www.stadia.gr/rizoupoli/rizoupoli3.JPG)
and Panionios have their stadium right in the heart of Nea Smyrni:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0G9Hs5LOBvY/U2E8rfGHWcI/AAAAAAAAYgI/ZFS9loFwGxk/s1600/gipedo.JPG)
Both teams play attacking football and the Greek league has benefited from their presence.
Panionios were going to rebuild their stadium - still keeping a small track for their athletics department but they could not find the money:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KJeaCVsGlA
They recently started building a new basketball arena (their basketball team is fairly good) in Nea Smirni.
Thanks for the info, Faliro.
That original symbol that Panionions had was great. I wasn't aware of it. Loved it!
What do you think about Pedro Conde, Faliro? ( Giannina). We are interested in him.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 28 de Julho de 2018, 08:22
What do you think about Pedro Conde, Faliro? ( Giannina). We are interested in him.
Always liked him. Just one of those players who is a natural infront of goal. If he had been at PAOK or Oly he would have had 30 goals a season.
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Julho de 2018, 11:17
Citação de: StellaRojas em 28 de Julho de 2018, 08:22
What do you think about Pedro Conde, Faliro? ( Giannina). We are interested in him.
Always liked him. Just one of those players who is a natural infront of goal. If he had been at PAOK or Oly he would have had 30 goals a season.
Тhanks a lot Faliro! :) :drunk: You know what bugs me now...being so good, why he is not at Oly or PAOK? ;D
Citação de: StellaRojas em 28 de Julho de 2018, 11:34
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Julho de 2018, 11:17
Citação de: StellaRojas em 28 de Julho de 2018, 08:22
What do you think about Pedro Conde, Faliro? ( Giannina). We are interested in him.
Always liked him. Just one of those players who is a natural infront of goal. If he had been at PAOK or Oly he would have had 30 goals a season.
Тhanks a lot Faliro! :) :drunk: You know what bugs me now...being so good, why he is not at Oly or PAOK? ;D
PAS made absurd demands. It is clear they wanted a foreign buyer or no one. All the big clubs of Greece have been linked with him over the years.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 28 de Julho de 2018, 03:40
Thanks for the info, Faliro.
That original symbol that Panionions had was great. I wasn't aware of it. Loved it!
It is a beautiful badge - they should have kept it as their main badge. When I was a kid, Panionios had a Barcelona style badge!
(https://futebolhelenico.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/panionios-1.jpg)
But as you said, nothing beats the original - they still use it occasionally. Actually one of the best football crests I have seen anywhere.
AEK ended up signing Alef on loan from Braga (€2 million buy out)... :crazy2:
(http://s2.aek365.com/uploads/articles/images/d/d3c8d47b976a69c144670c95eaf5ae45_603197.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Julho de 2018, 15:16
Could you do a wrap up of the current state of things? Like for each Superleague team and your prediction on how the table will end up like?
Citação de: Calcio em 01 de Agosto de 2018, 18:54
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Julho de 2018, 15:16
Could you do a wrap up of the current state of things? Like for each Superleague team and your prediction on how the table will end up like?
You mean the Faliro betting form for the new season file? :bow2: You know I will.
Olympiacos. Most expensive squad in the SL - revamped squad with many departures. Still waiting on a CM of prestige in this window. Martins seems confident and organised. We scored the most goals last season but our defence was a disaster. If we can steady the rear - we will win the league easily. Fetfa, Fortounis, Lazaros etc will make for lots of entertainment. Joint favourites for the protathlima.
PAOK. Hugely strong. Organised. Physical. Experienced. Without points deductions because of their animal fans - they would have won the league as well the cup last season. Fast - compact - good shape. This week they thrashed Basel home and away to go through to the 3rd round of the CL quals. Joint favourites for the protathlima. Their CL Qual game tonight in Switzerland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GFGbm5yX4
AEK. Lost their core this summer and replaced them with a bunch of unproven loanees - like Alef, Boye & Ponce. Not sure how they will cope in the new season - to early to guess too. If their new stadium was ready - joint favourites - but it wont be finished this season. So OAKA for them - with a weaker team than last year - that in reality, was second to PAOK last season.
PAO. Unless they make some signings fast - they will finish mid-table. Lost all decent players bar Kourbelis. Need at least 4 signings to be competitive. They are basically a PAO youth team and will be bullied off the pitch in Hellas.
Aris. Strong pre-season. Plenty of signings - plenty of Latin flavour as is their trademark. Their aim is simply to stay up - but with their enigmatic stadium and fans - perhaps more.. who knows.. a European place? Will be curious to see if some of there more interesting signings work - such as Meledje. Hamza Younés can bring goals but is older now.. It seems Colazo (from the pre-season) was a good pick up from Boca Juniors.
Panionios. As usual - will aim to sneak into Europe. Always a good passing side with some good movement. They seem to have brought 4 frenchmen into the team this summer. Their scouting depart is perhaps one of the best in the entire Balkans. Always nobodies who end up being MVPs. Very clever side.
Apollon. No sure. Perhaps relegation bound? Perhaps mid table. Some good players brought in - but not the discipline of their Smyrna origin rival Panionios. Not sure on this one.
Asteras. Always strong even when they are out of form. Can beat anyone on their day. Determined and organised. Their 6 Argentines and 3 Spaniards mean they always have goals in them too. Will be aiming to get into Europe.
PAS. Weird club. Don't know much about them.
OFI. Will scrap and fight for survival all season. Tough place to go as an away team.. Got some key Argentinians in their team this summer; Miguel Mellado & Juan Neira.
Panetolikos. Good quality team and nice little stadium. 6 South Americans in the team. They will work hard to finish higher than mid-table.
Larissa. Unknown entity. They have the most Balkan side in Greece. 3 serbs, 1 croat, 2 Albanians, 1 Skopian, 1 Bulgar, 1 kosavar and plenty of Greeks. I don't see much in them - but perhaps they can get a combination of some good games together and climb the table a bit?
Xanthi. Always professional. Always try hard. Average team. Like Larissa - can't see much - but they have some potential.
Levadiakos. Survival experts. Perhaps they can offer more too? Who knows? Some interesting signings I have no idea about like Lenny Nangis.
Lamia. Will be aiming for survival - not much more I think.
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Agosto de 2018, 00:27
Panionios. As usual - will aim to sneak into Europe. Always a good passing side with some good movement. They seem to have brought 4 frenchmen into the team this summer. Their scouting depart is perhaps one of the best in the entire Balkans. Always nobodies who end up being MVPs. Very clever side.
ΠΑΝΙΩΝΑΡΑ ΟΛΕ!
Wow, PAOK has no knocked Basel and Spartak out of the CL in 2 weeks!
AEK just knocked Celtic out the CL too.
:rir:
(https://i.snag.gy/B3shtF.jpg)
(https://i.snag.gy/fwsAiq.jpg)
We'll have another Benfica-PAOK duel.
We've knocked out the legendary Dikefalos Aetos tou Vorra twice in the past. 4 games, 3 wins, 1 defeat. 7-3 in goals.
It shouldn't be much different this time, I reckon. Are PAOK stronger than last year, Faliro?
Citação de: Gottschalk em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:13
We'll have another Benfica-PAOK duel.
We've knocked out the legendary Dikefalos Aetos tou Vorra twice in the past. 4 games, 3 wins, 1 defeat. 7-3 in goals.
It shouldn't be much different this time, I reckon. Are PAOK stronger than last year, Faliro?
Perhaps a little stronger. Where as AEK (the
Dikéfalos Aetós..) are designed to stifle their opponent and sneak goals - PAOK are built last season and this to outscore their opponent. Benfica should be able to handle their rage. Toumba may be a little intense though..
Sure.
Benfica just manhandled Fenerbahçe, though. Our midfield this season is particularly better with the explosion of Gédson.
PAOK will have to pull off a very good defensive performance if they are to going to be able to challenge us.
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:23
Citação de: Gottschalk em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:13
We'll have another Benfica-PAOK duel.
We've knocked out the legendary Dikefalos Aetos tou Vorra twice in the past. 4 games, 3 wins, 1 defeat. 7-3 in goals.
It shouldn't be much different this time, I reckon. Are PAOK stronger than last year, Faliro?
Perhaps a little stronger. Where as AEK (the Dikéfalos Aetós..) are designed to stifle their opponent and sneak goals - PAOK are built last season and this to outscore their opponent. Benfica should be able to handle their rage. Toumba may be a little intense though..
Would you say their star player is Pelkas?
Citação de: Rei em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:27
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:23
Citação de: Gottschalk em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:13
We'll have another Benfica-PAOK duel.
We've knocked out the legendary Dikefalos Aetos tou Vorra twice in the past. 4 games, 3 wins, 1 defeat. 7-3 in goals.
It shouldn't be much different this time, I reckon. Are PAOK stronger than last year, Faliro?
Perhaps a little stronger. Where as AEK (the Dikéfalos Aetós..) are designed to stifle their opponent and sneak goals - PAOK are built last season and this to outscore their opponent. Benfica should be able to handle their rage. Toumba may be a little intense though..
Would you say their star player is Pelkas?
I would actually. He is everywhere if you watch their European games this summer. A dynamo of attack. So many times he seems to find himself in one on ones with the opposition keeper from no where. Very fast. There is some magic there.
Prijović holds the line well and attracts defenders who often lose position to mark him.
Canas and Mauricio are clever and streetwise in the middle.
Vieirinha seems to think he is Achilles these days. He must actually believe he is Greek. Fans adore him and he gives everything for PAOK.
Matos is dangerous in a attacking sense.
Biseswar is actually one of my favourite players of PAOK - just because of his languid style. Seems like some rasta has just come off the beach to give everyone a lesson in football. I like the way he plays but he will probably be a sub.
Limnios is an interesting one. The brazilo-greek 20 year old has potential. He improves every game. Useful winger. Could be more.
PAOK keeper can have good or bad games - but he has talent - and of course - he is a monster.
PAOK are head and shoulders above a team like AEK at this point in time.
Where are you from, Faliro bro?
Citação de: Toalhete em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:40
Where are you from, Faliro bro?
London. Of English, Greek, Catalan and Austrian descent from each grandparent respectively. Also bits of Irish, Scottish and even some Cuban/ Mexican if you include great great grandparents. Was raised and Christened Greek however and been going there since birth. :crazy2:
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:43
Citação de: Toalhete em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:40
Where are you from, Faliro bro?
London. Of English, Greek, Catalan and Austrian descent from each grandparent respectively. Also bits of Irish, Scottish and even some Cuban/ Mexican if you include great great grandparents. Was raised and Christened Greek however. :crazy2:
And you have connections to Greece above the rest? Where, Athens?
Faliro, Benfica vs PAOK
60/40 ?
Citação de: Toalhete em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:44
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:43
Citação de: Toalhete em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:40
Where are you from, Faliro bro?
London. Of English, Greek, Catalan and Austrian descent from each grandparent respectively. Also bits of Irish, Scottish and even some Cuban/ Mexican if you include great great grandparents. Was raised and Christened Greek however. :crazy2:
And you have connections to Greece above the rest? Where, Athens?
Yes, I see myself as a Greek guy I suppose. Being going there since birth. Used to go to central Greece, Viotias etc as a boy and the vast beaches facing Atalantonisi - but knew Athens well because my cousins are there so knew Athens back to front very young. My Grandfather was actually from Leonidio in the South and lately I go there a few days every year - and of course spend most my summer holidays in the Cyclades - which I adore. O0
Citação de: ZICKLER em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:44
Faliro, Benfica vs PAOK
60/40 ?
Yes. As a betting man - exactly that before either leg has been played. Of course the tie will evolve and the odds change. As it is now before a ball is kicked - 60% chance of Benfica passing - maybe more.
In PAOK's favour is they now have games under their belt and they are very well drilled with plenty of options. And of course they have the hottest seat in Europe - the
Stadio Toumba.. :D
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:50
Citação de: ZICKLER em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:44
Faliro, Benfica vs PAOK
60/40 ?
Yes. As a betting man - exactly that before either leg has been played. Of course the tie will evolve and the odds change. As it is now before a ball is kicked - 60% chance of Benfica passing - maybe more.
In PAOK's favour is they now have games under their belt and they are very well drilled with plenty of options. And of course they have the hottest seat in Europe - the Stadio Toumba.. :D
yes, I did not forget the first time I saw Benfica play in the toumba .... incredible! what an atmosphere!
the paok outside the house how does it behave? Do you think you can keep the tie alive for the second game?
Citação de: ZICKLER em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:54
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:50
Citação de: ZICKLER em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:44
Faliro, Benfica vs PAOK
60/40 ?
Yes. As a betting man - exactly that before either leg has been played. Of course the tie will evolve and the odds change. As it is now before a ball is kicked - 60% chance of Benfica passing - maybe more.
In PAOK's favour is they now have games under their belt and they are very well drilled with plenty of options. And of course they have the hottest seat in Europe - the Stadio Toumba.. :D
yes, I did not forget the first time I saw Benfica play in the toumba .... incredible! what an atmosphere!
(https://www.paokfc.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Toumba-Inblog1-700x470.jpg)
A grave for many teams as the name
toumba states.
Citação de: ZICKLER em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:57
the paok outside the house how does it behave? Do you think you can keep the tie alive for the second game?
That will be their plan. 100%. To keep the tie alive at all costs for the Toumba. They may draft another CM into the mix for the Estádio da Luz but i doubt it. They have a fairly good shape away from home. They mark space fairly well and allow the opposition some half chances and possession..
Yesterday was a awesome Day for the Greek teams. AEK is the favourite against Vidi (ex Videoton).
Faliro, which are the most influential/dangerous players of this PAOK? Can they create difficulties to Benfica?
By the way, the first hand of the play off will be in Estádio da Luz or Toumba? I guess that the game in Greece will be very hard. Turkish and Greeks supporters can carry a team.
Citação de: Demichel em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 14:20
Faliro, which are the most influential/dangerous players of this PAOK? Can they create difficulties to Benfica?
By the way, the first hand of the play off will be in Estádio da Luz or Toumba? I guess that the game in Greece will be very hard. Turkish and Greeks supporters can carry a team.
I did a break down in my previous post so i will just copy and paste it and I think the first leg is at the Luz.
I would say PAOK can hurt Benfica if Benfica let them. They have a fair few attacking options.
Pelkas is perhaps their best player. He is everywhere if you watch their European games this summer. A dynamo of attack. So many times he seems to find himself in one on ones with the opposition keeper from no where. Very fast. There is some magic there.
Prijović holds the line well and attracts defenders who often lose position to mark him.
Canas and Mauricio are clever and streetwise in the middle.
Vieirinha seems to think he is Achilles these days. He must actually believe he is Greek. Fans adore him and he gives everything for PAOK.
Matos is dangerous in a attacking sense.
Biseswar is actually one of my favourite players of PAOK - just because of his languid style. Seems like some rasta has just come off the beach to give everyone a lesson in football. I like the way he plays but he will probably be a sub.
Limnios is an interesting one. The brazilo-greek 20 year old has potential. He improves every game. Useful winger. Could be more.
PAOK keeper can have good or bad games - but he has talent - and of course - he is a monster.
PAOK are head and shoulders above a team like AEK at this point in time.
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 14:06
Yesterday was a awesome Day for the Greek teams. AEK is the favourite against Vidi (ex Videoton).
Didn't a Portuguese team once suffer against these Hungarian idiots? I remember someone mentioning them on here and how ridiculous their name is.
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 16:39
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 14:06
Yesterday was a awesome Day for the Greek teams. AEK is the favourite against Vidi (ex Videoton).
Didn't a Portuguese team once suffer against these Hungarian idiots? I remember someone mentioning them on here and how ridiculous their name is.
Sporting lost against them.
https://www.zerozero.pt/match.php?id=2359578
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 16:57
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 16:39
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 14:06
Yesterday was a awesome Day for the Greek teams. AEK is the favourite against Vidi (ex Videoton).
Didn't a Portuguese team once suffer against these Hungarian idiots? I remember someone mentioning them on here and how ridiculous their name is.
Sporting lost against them.
https://www.zerozero.pt/match.php?id=2359578
:2funny:
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 16:39
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 14:06
Yesterday was a awesome Day for the Greek teams. AEK is the favourite against Vidi (ex Videoton).
Didn't a Portuguese team once suffer against these Hungarian idiots? I remember someone mentioning them on here and how ridiculous their name is.
Sporting Lisbon of course. 😂😂😂
Citação de: ZICKLER em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 00:57
the paok outside the house how does it behave? Do you think you can keep the tie alive for the second game?
In European Competition PAOK is more dangerous away than at home, usually.
I am a PAOK supporter. The only thing that worries me is our defense. It is pretty solid, but it is prone to have 10-15 minutes of falling asleep and it usually costs us. Like with Spartak. Our team was asleep for 10 minutes, and they scored twice. From that point on though we dominated them. In the game in Russia we were also dominant, except for the last 10 minutes it got a little worrisome. We could have easily scored 3-4 goals on them but sometimes the ball just doesn't want to cooperate.
To be honest...I'm kind of glad about AEK's success. They have been through a lot in the last 15 years...getting relegated, financial troubles...
Citação de: StellaRojas em 23 de Agosto de 2018, 12:38
To be honest...I'm kind of glad about AEK's success. They have been through a lot in the last 15 years...getting relegated, financial troubles...
Yea, they have truly risen from the ashes and have a very loyal fanbase. If they win their home game against video, they are in the CL. Add to this their very cool new stadium that will be completed next summer... what a journey. They can finally take their seat again as one if the important clubs of the Mediterranean.
The Hellenic Super League - despite all its problems - has a future. Good infrastructure at the top end with new boutique style stadia and a good tradition in Europe. OSFP, PAOK, AEK and PAO leading the top end and Aris, AEL, Panionios, Atromitos, Asteras, OFI, Xanthi and possibly Iraklis supporting the middle. Also mavericks coming and going like Volos, Kavala, Panserraikos and perhaps Kalamata and Ergotelis.
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Agosto de 2018, 13:42
Citação de: StellaRojas em 23 de Agosto de 2018, 12:38
To be honest...I'm kind of glad about AEK's success. They have been through a lot in the last 15 years...getting relegated, financial troubles...
Yea, they have truly risen from the ashes and have a very loyal fanbase. If they win their home game against video, they are in the CL. Add to this their very cool new stadium that will be completed next summer... what a journey. They can finally take their seat again as one if the important clubs of the Mediterranean.
The Hellenic Super League - despite all its problems - has a future. Good infrastructure at the top end with new boutique style stadia and a good tradition in Europe. OSFP, PAOK, AEK and PAO leading the top end and Aris, AEL, Panionios, Atromitos, Asteras, OFI, Xanthi and possibly Iraklis supporting the middle. Also mavericks coming and going like Volos, Kavala, Panserraikos and perhaps Kalamata and Ergotelis.
How is things going with Panathinaikos.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 23 de Agosto de 2018, 14:04
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Agosto de 2018, 13:42
Citação de: StellaRojas em 23 de Agosto de 2018, 12:38
To be honest...I'm kind of glad about AEK's success. They have been through a lot in the last 15 years...getting relegated, financial troubles...
Yea, they have truly risen from the ashes and have a very loyal fanbase. If they win their home game against video, they are in the CL. Add to this their very cool new stadium that will be completed next summer... what a journey. They can finally take their seat again as one if the important clubs of the Mediterranean.
The Hellenic Super League - despite all its problems - has a future. Good infrastructure at the top end with new boutique style stadia and a good tradition in Europe. OSFP, PAOK, AEK and PAO leading the top end and Aris, AEL, Panionios, Atromitos, Asteras, OFI, Xanthi and possibly Iraklis supporting the middle. Also mavericks coming and going like Volos, Kavala, Panserraikos and perhaps Kalamata and Ergotelis.
How is things going with Panathinaikos.
The law was altered yesterday to allow a non Greek to buy the club. Developments expected very soon. PAO paid off all money owed to all players the last month in preparation for the Thai. The mentalist dimitri giannakopolous is trying to sabotage the deal by putting the amateur club against Alafouzos. PAO also just signed our starlet striker Vergos.
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 16:57
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 16:39
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 14:06
Yesterday was a awesome Day for the Greek teams. AEK is the favourite against Vidi (ex Videoton).
Didn't a Portuguese team once suffer against these Hungarian idiots? I remember someone mentioning them on here and how ridiculous their name is.
Sporting lost against them.
https://www.zerozero.pt/match.php?id=2359578
THIS IS TUGAAAO (Scream like 300)
AEK in the group stage. Good news.
Hopefully tomorrow PAOK will be left out.
Citação de: Calcio em 28 de Agosto de 2018, 21:12
AEK in the group stage. Good news.
Hopefully tomorrow PAOK will be left out.
AEK return to the Cl after an absence of 11 years!! Quite a story.
Interesting day today. Some decent players finally getting decent clubs.
Gianniotas (OSFP) signed for AEK.
Siopis (OSFP) signed for Aris - who are looking good this season.
Yaya Toura signs for Olympiacos.
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/18/08/29/184826.jpg)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/18/08/29/191719.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 16:39
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 14:06
Yesterday was a awesome Day for the Greek teams. AEK is the favourite against Vidi (ex Videoton).
Didn't a Portuguese team once suffer against these Hungarian idiots? I remember someone mentioning them on here and how ridiculous their name is.
idiots? Is there any beef between Oly and Videoton or was that just a figure of speech lol
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 19:25
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 16:39
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 14:06
Yesterday was a awesome Day for the Greek teams. AEK is the favourite against Vidi (ex Videoton).
Didn't a Portuguese team once suffer against these Hungarian idiots? I remember someone mentioning them on here and how ridiculous their name is.
idiots? Is there any beef between Oly and Videoton or was that just a figure of speech lol
I met a lot of Hungarians who quoted Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer to me. Basically he was a Germanic idiot of the Victorian era - a deeply uneducated con-artist/ pseudo scientist who tried to tell the world Greeks became extinct and that modern Greeks are exclusively Albanians and Slavs who replaced the indigenous Greeks - who themselves - 'died out.' His theories where laughed at in their totality during his own age and have been disproved historically and recently - genetically. He was also often quoted by the Third Reich in their proclamations about Greeks and other races. Hungarians however and Albanian/Fyromians are the only humans left on the planet who still quote him.
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 19:32
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 19:25
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 16:39
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Agosto de 2018, 14:06
Yesterday was a awesome Day for the Greek teams. AEK is the favourite against Vidi (ex Videoton).
Didn't a Portuguese team once suffer against these Hungarian idiots? I remember someone mentioning them on here and how ridiculous their name is.
idiots? Is there any beef between Oly and Videoton or was that just a figure of speech lol
I met a lot of Hungarians who quoted Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer to me. Basically he was a Germanic idiot of the Victorian era - a deeply uneducated con-artist/ pseudo scientist who tried to tell the world Greeks became extinct and that modern Greeks are exclusively Albanians and Slavs who replaced the indigenous Greeks - who themselves - 'died out.' His theories where laughed at in their totality during his own age and have been disproved historically and recently - genetically. He was also often quoted by the Third Reich in their proclamations about Greeks and other races. Hungarians however and Albanian/Fyromians are the only humans left on the planet who still quote him.
Weird. Why do they seem to praise a Tyrolean like that?
Ah pseudo-science and racial theories. We've talked about this before lol.
I've never personally met a Hungarian before. No idea what kind of people they are like. I never heard of Hungary on the news until Viktor Orban and the migrant crisis.
Another Greek team in our way :)
In this thread of this forum I compiled Benfica games by country:. https://serbenfiquista.com/forum/memorias/25/historico-do-benfica-nas-competicoes
With greeks is like that:
(http://www.zerozero.pt/img/bandeiras/197_grc_peq.gif) Grécia
Home
-Wins: 5
-Draw: 2
-Loss: 1
Out:
-Win: 4
-Draw: 0
-Loss: 5
Rounds we passed: 5
Rounds we got eliminated: 1
What Greek team beat us at Luz?
Without searching I think was Aris in the 80s. A big scandal at that time.
Citação de: Vitor84 em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 19:40
Without searching I think was Aris in the 80s. A big scandal at that time.
Which competition and what was the score in the away game?
Ah no, I remember now, we lose with PAOK on the the home game in 99, and just pass to next leg on the penalties
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 19:41
Citação de: Vitor84 em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 19:40
Without searching I think was Aris in the 80s. A big scandal at that time.
Which competition and what was the score in the away game?
With Aris we got eliminated on the first round of UEFA Cup, at the season 79/80. We won in 2-1 at home, but not enough after lose 3-1 in Thessaloniki. Was quite a big scandal at that time in Portugal
https://youtu.be/oUq4dXJWFjs
https://youtu.be/sI0nwfM_zxs
Citação de: Vitor84 em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 19:54
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 19:41
Citação de: Vitor84 em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 19:40
Without searching I think was Aris in the 80s. A big scandal at that time.
Which competition and what was the score in the away game?
With Aris we got eliminated on the first round of UEFA Cup, at the season 79/80. We won in 2-1 at home, but not enough after lose 3-1 in Thessaloniki. Was quite a big scandal at that time in Portugal
https://youtu.be/oUq4dXJWFjs
https://youtu.be/sI0nwfM_zxs
Aris have not lost at home in Europe for 42 years.
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 21:45
Citação de: Vitor84 em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 19:54
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 19:41
Citação de: Vitor84 em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 19:40
Without searching I think was Aris in the 80s. A big scandal at that time.
Which competition and what was the score in the away game?
With Aris we got eliminated on the first round of UEFA Cup, at the season 79/80. We won in 2-1 at home, but not enough after lose 3-1 in Thessaloniki. Was quite a big scandal at that time in Portugal
https://youtu.be/oUq4dXJWFjs
https://youtu.be/sI0nwfM_zxs
Aris have not lost at home in Europe for 42 years.
...how many games have they played in European competitions even?
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 22:26
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 21:45
Citação de: Vitor84 em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 19:54
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 19:41
Citação de: Vitor84 em 30 de Agosto de 2018, 19:40
Without searching I think was Aris in the 80s. A big scandal at that time.
Which competition and what was the score in the away game?
With Aris we got eliminated on the first round of UEFA Cup, at the season 79/80. We won in 2-1 at home, but not enough after lose 3-1 in Thessaloniki. Was quite a big scandal at that time in Portugal
https://youtu.be/oUq4dXJWFjs
https://youtu.be/sI0nwfM_zxs
Aris have not lost at home in Europe for 42 years.
...how many games have they played in European competitions even?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aris_Thessaloniki_F.C.#Aris_Thessaloniki_in_Europe
Is their home stadium tough to play at?
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 09:41
Is their home stadium tough to play at?
AEK? No.. A lot easier than Toumba. However there will be more fans there, maybe 40k.
Edit. Just realised you are talking about Aris. Yes. They have a very strong atmosphere at home and play very attacking football. You can google their games against Boca to see what they do.
If you had to sum up the "typical" fan of these clubs: AEK, Panathinaikos, PAOK and Aris in a few sentences or less how would you describe them?
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 11:20
If you had to sum up the "typical" fan of these clubs: AEK, Panathinaikos, PAOK and Aris in a few sentences or less how would you describe them?
AEK - in Greece most of them are communists and anarchists. They are an Antifa club. The AEK fans born outside Hellas are fairly normal and likeable.
Panathinaikos - fans are the Greek version of the lizards. Confused, desperate, self destructive. Miserable bunch. Gate 13 is just an anarchist marijuana smoke-ridden group of violent idiots. Usually you can tell a greek supports PAO by his face. Disillusioned.
PAOK like PAO are conspiracy theorists. Everyone is against them in their minds - even though the syriza govt is actually blatently pro PAOK and pro PAO. Most of Northern Greece supports PAOK so their fans can be diverse - however judging by the amount of Palestinian scarves they have at games I suspect soft left. They are moody, angry but loyal to madness at games.
Aris fans are leftists too but I have not met many of them. In fact i have never been to northern Greece as I am a southerner. They produce a great atmosphere in big games.
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 11:50
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 11:20
If you had to sum up the "typical" fan of these clubs: AEK, Panathinaikos, PAOK and Aris in a few sentences or less how would you describe them?
AEK - in Greece most of them are communists and anarchists. They are an Antifa club. The AEK fans born outside Hellas are fairly normal and likeable.
Panathinaikos - fans are the Greek version of the lizards. Confused, desperate, self destructive. Miserable bunch. Gate 13 is just an anarchist marijuana smoke-ridden group of violent idiots.
PAOK like PAO are conspiracy theorists. Everyone is against them in their minds - even though the syriza govt is actually blatently pro PAOK and pro PAO. Most of Northern Greece supports PAOK so their fans can be diverse - however judging by the amount of Palestinian scarves they have at games I suspect soft left. They are moody, angry but loyal to madness at games.
Aris fans are leftists too but I have not met many of them. In fact i have never been to northern Greece as I am a southerner. They produce a great atmosphere in big games.
So they all skew left? What about Olympiacos fans?
Here clubs aren't linked with political ideologies really. A few ultra groups maybe but not general fanbases of clubs. A fan of Benfica, Sporting or Porto can literally be anything ideologically speaking. Football here has always been more of escapist entertainment.
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 11:53
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 11:50
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 11:20
If you had to sum up the "typical" fan of these clubs: AEK, Panathinaikos, PAOK and Aris in a few sentences or less how would you describe them?
AEK - in Greece most of them are communists and anarchists. They are an Antifa club. The AEK fans born outside Hellas are fairly normal and likeable.
Panathinaikos - fans are the Greek version of the lizards. Confused, desperate, self destructive. Miserable bunch. Gate 13 is just an anarchist marijuana smoke-ridden group of violent idiots.
PAOK like PAO are conspiracy theorists. Everyone is against them in their minds - even though the syriza govt is actually blatently pro PAOK and pro PAO. Most of Northern Greece supports PAOK so their fans can be diverse - however judging by the amount of Palestinian scarves they have at games I suspect soft left. They are moody, angry but loyal to madness at games.
Aris fans are leftists too but I have not met many of them. In fact i have never been to northern Greece as I am a southerner. They produce a great atmosphere in big games.
So they all skew left? What about Olympiacos fans?
Yea they do. Olympiakos is a right wing club. Gives millions to charity - far far more than any other club in Hellas - and loves Hellas and loves the tradition and history of Hellas. There is no ideological left wing section of Olympiacos. You wont see any Che Guevera banners or anything like that. You will see right wing areas of Greece adore Olympiacos - like the Mani, Lakonia and so on:
(https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/667/592/hi-res-181781732-olympiacos-fc-supporters-during-the-uefa-champions_crop_exact.jpg?w=900&h=600&q=75)
Also Olympiacos defends its brothers abroad:
(https://ssl.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000iG_mqtOj7eM/fit=1000x750/140727-037-Olympiacos-Liverpool.jpg)
CitaçãoHere clubs aren't linked with political ideologies really. A few ultra groups maybe but not general fanbases of clubs. A fan of Benfica, Sporting or Porto can literally be anything ideologically speaking. Football here has always been more of escapist entertainment.
Yes -that is far more healthy and there are probably many fans of AEK, PAOK, Aris and PAO who are apolitical - or at least don't have to force it down your throat. Many PAOK fans come across to me a rockers and they do have many fans who strike me as right wing. To be honest - the place is a mystery to me. I have never been up there - in fact I don't think I have ever been north of Atalanti despite having travelled to Greece well over 30 times. :crazy2:
(https://nbcprosoccertalk.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/gettyimages-458530564-e1533212052798.jpg?w=592&h=343&crop=1)
Football is an escape in Greece too. I find Olympiakos a bit
mes que un club just because of Piraeus - what they think Hellas etc and the positivism.
BTW I went a few times to local Benfica club in London as a kid and they seemed apolitical there too. Just all playing cards and playing pool all day. Also eating a lot.
Local Benfica club? A Casa do Benfica sucursal I assume?
Well I think thats what happens at those places. That and watching games on tv.
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 14:05
Local Benfica club? A Casa do Benfica sucursal I assume?
Well I think thats what happens at those places. That and watching games on tv.
I am not sure it exists anymore (although it was huge) - in the restaurant a woman almost died from an exploding sausage.
Sorry my mistake - it was a Sporting Clube bar/restaurant. I went a few times when very young - bizarrely with Benfica fans.. probably why I thought it was benfica club.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-448161/Diner-scarred-life-sausage-explodes-face.html
Apparently our 4-1 win against PAOK was their biggest home defeat at European competitions
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 18:06
Apparently our 4-1 win against PAOK was their biggest home defeat at European competitions
Yes. Very rare to score so many up there. Aris's record as you know is pretty impressive. Iraklis were also strong at home in Europe. Not an easy city to get a good result in. I think PAOK were actually expecting a victory.
Btw, ever wondered what's with so many average and below average Portuguese players and managers eventually going to Greece or Turkey in their careers?
At this point, what do Greeks expect every time a Portuguese player comes? Like what style of play do they expect out of them?
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:07
Btw, ever wondered what's with so many average and below average Portuguese players and managers eventually going to Greece or Turkey in their careers?
At this point, what do Greeks expect every time a Portuguese player comes? Like what style of play do they expect out of them?
We don't expect much whenever a Portuguese player/ manager comes. The managment expect a lot however.
There are certain things Greeks get infatuated with. Some make sense - some don't.
The abiding principle you have to remember in Hellas is that there is a strange belief that foreign is good - domestic is bad. Foreign is innovative and professional - domestic is simple and unprofessional. You see it at every level:
- Show a Greek woman a pair shoes made in Greece - than show her the exact same ones made in Italy - watch her drool over the Italian pair and look for defects in the Greek pair (while the Italian pair disintegrate due to exposure to Earth's atmosphere).
- When a foreign coach loses a game - it is because he had too much faith in a certain tactic that didn't work out. When a Greek coach loses game - it is because he is a malaka.
- When a foreign player does nothing all game - the media will say - 'he marked space well' or some such bullshit. When a Greek player does nothing all game - it is because he is shit and shouldn't be playing football.
Greeks also have other strange beliefs.
- The 35 year old slow and weak passing Greek Central Midfielder that destroys the game is useful because he has 'experience' and has to start (See Tziolis, Basinas, Maniatis and 100s of others).
- Full Greek DNA and shit (Stafylidis, Tzavellas) are better than half Greek DNA and good (Xolebas, Koutris).
- Any Greek full back - any one at all - can be played as CM or CB. Even if they fail terribly in that position - the Greek media will not blame them for the loss.
- All Greek managers are fundamentally shit.
- Because a player is Serb, Croatian, Swedish etc they must automatically be good.
- Germans are the best managers in the world regarding the NT.
- Portuguese managers are the next big thing. Why else would Mourinho have coached Chelsea twice and Villas-Boas Tottenham? There is no other explanation.
- A shitty Greek player that constantly fouls and looks angry when doing it is good and is just showing
Tzabouka (passion) - (see Tzavellas's career).
- A small Greek who assists goals and can trap a ball in under 1 second is a show off and not useful to any team (See Ninis, Fetfatzidis, Dimoutsos, Gianniotis).
- Fast Greek CMs are of no use to anyone - they have to be slow, tall and cover space well.
- Walking during a game is acceptable - see Tziolis, Tachtsidis, Basinas, Vryzas etc
All the above is helped by the fact that the Greek footballing media are at Iranian levels of footballing IQ. Basketball reporting is far better.
Having said all that - Martins is not so bad. My only criticism is that he does not use the subs properly and when the team is dying - doesn't change anything - just lives through the nightmare like vs Burnley.
I meant the players, tbh. The managers is easy it explain due to the Mourinho and Villas-Boas thing to some degree. And also Greeks like Santos lol.
Swedish players good? How so?
Pedro Martins was often called "the drunkard" in this forum... I guess he does kind of look like he drinks heavily.
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:36
I meant the players, tbh. The managers is easy it explain due to the Mourinho and Villas-Boas thing to some degree. And also Greeks like Santos lol.
Swedish players good? How so?
Pedro Martins was often called "the drunkard" in this forum... I guess he does kind of look like he drinks heavily.
Portuguese players we expect nothing from. Brazilians/ Argentinians we expect to create magic etc.. the usual..
Greeks love Scandinavian players: Berg (PAO), Johansson (AEK), Mellberg, Zetterberg (all OSFP) - Danish too René_Henriksen, Michaelsen (PAO) all very respected for their quality and professionalism. Maybe that goes back to the employment of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard :buck2:
Martins is a curious fellow. I actually quite like him even though he doesn't like playing my favourite player. He has a very heavy voice but seems to speak logic. He also understands the Olympiacos fans and what each game means to them and shows respect to Olympiacos and Hellas. I even heard him start an interview with
Kalispera once (good afternoon) - I know it is not much but these touches go a long way.
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:46
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:36
I meant the players, tbh. The managers is easy it explain due to the Mourinho and Villas-Boas thing to some degree. And also Greeks like Santos lol.
Swedish players good? How so?
Pedro Martins was often called "the drunkard" in this forum... I guess he does kind of look like he drinks heavily.
Portuguese players we expect nothing from. Brazilians/ Argentinians we expect to create magic etc.. the usual..
Greeks love Scandinavian players: Berg (PAO), Johansson (AEK), Mellberg, Zetterberg (all OSFP) - Danish too René_Henriksen, Michaelsen (PAO) all very respected for their quality and professionalism. Maybe that goes back to the employment of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard :buck2:
Martins is a curious fellow. I actually quite like him even though he doesn't like playing my favourite player. He has a very heavy voice but seems to speak logic. He also understands the Olympiacos fans and what each game means to them and shows respect to Olympiacos and Hellas. I even heard him start an interview with Kalispera once (good afternoon) - I know it is not much but these touches go a long way.
Only time I recall Scandinavian players doing relevant things here was in the 80s when Benfica had players form Sweden and Denmark and ofc Erikson as our manager. In the 80s Swedish clubs did some interesting things in Europe, mainly Malmö FF and IFK Gothemburg.
Portugal also loves cheap Latin American players. As for Benfica fans, any black guy who has a few good games immediately gets compared to Eusébio. Fans loved Renato Sanches and warmed up to Freddy Adu quickly for that reason lol. And also loved Mantorras even when he was injured 80% of the time.
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:50
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:46
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:36
I meant the players, tbh. The managers is easy it explain due to the Mourinho and Villas-Boas thing to some degree. And also Greeks like Santos lol.
Swedish players good? How so?
Pedro Martins was often called "the drunkard" in this forum... I guess he does kind of look like he drinks heavily.
Portuguese players we expect nothing from. Brazilians/ Argentinians we expect to create magic etc.. the usual..
Greeks love Scandinavian players: Berg (PAO), Johansson (AEK), Mellberg, Zetterberg (all OSFP) - Danish too René_Henriksen, Michaelsen (PAO) all very respected for their quality and professionalism. Maybe that goes back to the employment of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard :buck2:
Martins is a curious fellow. I actually quite like him even though he doesn't like playing my favourite player. He has a very heavy voice but seems to speak logic. He also understands the Olympiacos fans and what each game means to them and shows respect to Olympiacos and Hellas. I even heard him start an interview with Kalispera once (good afternoon) - I know it is not much but these touches go a long way.
Only time I recall Scandinavian players doing relevant things here was in the 80s when Benfica had players form Sweden and Denmark and ofc Erikson as our manager. In the 80s Swedish clubs did some interesting things in Europe, mainly Malmö FF and IFK Gothemburg.
Portugal also loves cheap Latin American players. As for Benfica fans, any black guy who has a few good games immediately gets compared to Eusébio. Fans loved Renato Sanches and warmed up to Freddy Adu quickly for that reason lol. And also loved Mantorras even when he was injured 80% of the time.
:2funny:
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:53
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:50
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:46
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:36
I meant the players, tbh. The managers is easy it explain due to the Mourinho and Villas-Boas thing to some degree. And also Greeks like Santos lol.
Swedish players good? How so?
Pedro Martins was often called "the drunkard" in this forum... I guess he does kind of look like he drinks heavily.
Portuguese players we expect nothing from. Brazilians/ Argentinians we expect to create magic etc.. the usual..
Greeks love Scandinavian players: Berg (PAO), Johansson (AEK), Mellberg, Zetterberg (all OSFP) - Danish too René_Henriksen, Michaelsen (PAO) all very respected for their quality and professionalism. Maybe that goes back to the employment of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard :buck2:
Martins is a curious fellow. I actually quite like him even though he doesn't like playing my favourite player. He has a very heavy voice but seems to speak logic. He also understands the Olympiacos fans and what each game means to them and shows respect to Olympiacos and Hellas. I even heard him start an interview with Kalispera once (good afternoon) - I know it is not much but these touches go a long way.
Only time I recall Scandinavian players doing relevant things here was in the 80s when Benfica had players form Sweden and Denmark and ofc Erikson as our manager. In the 80s Swedish clubs did some interesting things in Europe, mainly Malmö FF and IFK Gothemburg.
Portugal also loves cheap Latin American players. As for Benfica fans, any black guy who has a few good games immediately gets compared to Eusébio. Fans loved Renato Sanches and warmed up to Freddy Adu quickly for that reason lol. And also loved Mantorras even when he was injured 80% of the time.
:2funny:
A bit of an exaggeration, but if Benfica signs an offensive young black male and he gets a promising start, the "NEW EUSÉBIO" comments start popping up in people's minds lol
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:55
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:53
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:50
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:46
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 22:36
I meant the players, tbh. The managers is easy it explain due to the Mourinho and Villas-Boas thing to some degree. And also Greeks like Santos lol.
Swedish players good? How so?
Pedro Martins was often called "the drunkard" in this forum... I guess he does kind of look like he drinks heavily.
Portuguese players we expect nothing from. Brazilians/ Argentinians we expect to create magic etc.. the usual..
Greeks love Scandinavian players: Berg (PAO), Johansson (AEK), Mellberg, Zetterberg (all OSFP) - Danish too René_Henriksen, Michaelsen (PAO) all very respected for their quality and professionalism. Maybe that goes back to the employment of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard :buck2:
Martins is a curious fellow. I actually quite like him even though he doesn't like playing my favourite player. He has a very heavy voice but seems to speak logic. He also understands the Olympiacos fans and what each game means to them and shows respect to Olympiacos and Hellas. I even heard him start an interview with Kalispera once (good afternoon) - I know it is not much but these touches go a long way.
Only time I recall Scandinavian players doing relevant things here was in the 80s when Benfica had players form Sweden and Denmark and ofc Erikson as our manager. In the 80s Swedish clubs did some interesting things in Europe, mainly Malmö FF and IFK Gothemburg.
Portugal also loves cheap Latin American players. As for Benfica fans, any black guy who has a few good games immediately gets compared to Eusébio. Fans loved Renato Sanches and warmed up to Freddy Adu quickly for that reason lol. And also loved Mantorras even when he was injured 80% of the time.
:2funny:
A bit of an exaggeration, but if Benfica signs an offensive young black male and he gets a promising start, the "NEW EUSÉBIO" comments start popping up in people's minds lol
Another weird thing Greeks do also - is only Greeks are allowed to earn red cards for violence and be forgiven. As I alluded to before - a Greek guy attacking another player and seeing red - the media and fans 'oh well - that's game over. Can't be helped.' A foreigner or a half-Greek getting a red for the same thing - they will instantly the call the guy a
kolopedo (ass-child) - and often the player has even been removed from the club.
Anyway, I've always wondered why Greek players seemed like they played with iron boots... now it makes sense why they're usually slow lol
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 23:03
Anyway, I've always wondered why Greek players seemed like they played with iron boots... now it makes sense why they're usually slow lol
Slow players are not looked down upon in Greece. I have lost count of how many foreign coaches come to Greece and all they are shouting for the first months in training is 'faster! faster!' The slow Greek striker is also another phenomenon; Xaristeas, Mitroglou, Gekas, Vryzas, Vellios, Giannou, Diamantakos, Kapetanos, Amanatidis, Papazoglou etc etc
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 23:08
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 23:03
Anyway, I've always wondered why Greek players seemed like they played with iron boots... now it makes sense why they're usually slow lol
Slow players are not looked down upon in Greece. I have lost count of how many foreign coaches come to Greece and all they are shouting for the first months in training is 'faster! faster!' The slow Greek striker is also another phenomenon; Xaristeas, Mitroglou, Gekas, Vryzas, Vellios, Giannou, Diamantakos, Kapetanos, Amanatidis, Papazoglou etc etc
Well Mitroglou was good enough. I know I miss him. Strikers don't always need to be super mobile and just need their killer instinct and goal scoring ability to get the job done. Cardozo wasn't very fast either, for example.
As for foreign vs. local managers... well here we have a fear that a foreign manager will not understand our league and will just assume he won't have to work hard to win the league. It's like most foreign managers have not seen any game from a lower table Portuguese side, so they end up getting caught off-guard when they face teams that play that atrocious parking the bus type of game and end up scoring the only time they reach the opposite goal.
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 23:17
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 23:08
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Setembro de 2018, 23:03
Anyway, I've always wondered why Greek players seemed like they played with iron boots... now it makes sense why they're usually slow lol
Slow players are not looked down upon in Greece. I have lost count of how many foreign coaches come to Greece and all they are shouting for the first months in training is 'faster! faster!' The slow Greek striker is also another phenomenon; Xaristeas, Mitroglou, Gekas, Vryzas, Vellios, Giannou, Diamantakos, Kapetanos, Amanatidis, Papazoglou etc etc
Well Mitroglou was good enough. I know I miss him. Strikers don't always need to be super mobile and just need their killer instinct and goal scoring ability to get the job done. Cardozo wasn't very fast either, for example.
As for foreign vs. local managers... well here we have a fear that a foreign manager will not understand our league and will just assume he won't have to work hard to win the league. It's like most foreign managers have not seen any game from a lower table Portuguese side, so they end up getting caught off-guard when they face teams that play that atrocious parking the bus type of game and end up scoring the only time they reach the opposite goal.
That is the reality for Olympiacos - that is why we couldn't stomach Jardim playing so defensively against teams worth less than €100,000.
I think Portugal does a good job at maintaining and increasing its value as a footballing nation. If Olympiacos was in charge of the Greek NT - we would have been in the world cup easily. However the EPO is heavily PAO/PAOK affiliated and protects their old player's careers - Tzavellas, Zeka, Tziolis, Athanasiadis (never deserved a call up), Stafylidis etc.
The name of new AEK stadium will be Hagia Sophia?
Citação de: StellaRojas em 04 de Setembro de 2018, 16:57
The name of new AEK stadium will be Hagia Sophia?
Yes;
Stadio Agia Sofia (Στάδιο Αγιά Σοφιά).
The next few weeks the stadium will really take shape. Very good drone video from yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFHvAMSWB_Q
Soil has been placed underneath the pitch from every Greek part of Anatolia a few months ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cCtrS_jvrg
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Setembro de 2018, 17:32
Citação de: StellaRojas em 04 de Setembro de 2018, 16:57
The name of new AEK stadium will be Hagia Sophia?
Yes; Stadio Agia Sofia (Στάδιο Αγιά Σοφιά).
The next few weeks the stadium will really take shape. Very good drone video from yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFHvAMSWB_Q
Soil has been placed underneath the pitch from every Greek part of Anatolia a few months ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cCtrS_jvrg
Nice one...and nice name.
Aris TV shows the fan culture at Aris's game yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDEPbqUtWnQ
'Waiting for the Vazelos to take the league..:'
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41991599_1024369507772035_674412760003510272_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=7a687734babbfc7c5271a785d2255d43&oe=5C1E3F49)
Absolutely stunning images of the Panionios fans (known as the Panthers) tonight vs Olympiacos:
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/scale_n_crop_812x457/public/article/2018-09/1980690_1.jpg)
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/1980688_1.jpg)
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(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/1980711_1.jpg)
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PAOK vs Aris Cup - first time the two are playing in years!
PAOK fans with the usual welcome.. burning all Aris banners captured in hooligan battles.. as you can see in this video.. :crazy2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q24tKF6hwnQ
(https://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5320058.ece/BINARY/w620/2.jpg)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/18/09/26/200819.jpg)
And fighting riot police outside the stadium... :estrelas:
Result?
1-1!!
:confused:
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Now Olympiacos host PAOK on Sunday. :drool: : :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Danish referee Mads-Kristoffer Kristoffersen will ref AEK vs Olympiacos on Sunday.
(https://mobil.bold.dk/picture/490x/art117654.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Outubro de 2018, 13:04
Danish referee Mads-Kristoffer Kristoffersen will ref AEK vs Olympiacos on Sunday.
(https://mobil.bold.dk/picture/490x/art117654.jpg)
He seems like a ultra.
Citação de: Covenant em 04 de Outubro de 2018, 15:54
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Outubro de 2018, 13:04
Danish referee Mads-Kristoffer Kristoffersen will ref AEK vs Olympiacos on Sunday.
(https://mobil.bold.dk/picture/490x/art117654.jpg)
He seems like a ultra.
He does. He will fit right in. :smokin:
AEK's owner is worth around 4 billion euros. 4 billion. :drool:
His biggest purchase this season? Dortmunds old bus which is now being repainted to AEK's colours.. Even more pathetic? The AEK media are making out it is a big deal.. and great for the club. I am pretty sure this was the bus that was involved in that terrorist explosion too. You can't make this up.
Here is the bus:
(http://s2.aek365.com/uploads/articles/images/7/7bbf34d396418b3387514344c04e1702_616130.jpg)
(https://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5328764.ece/BINARY/w620/inside+pulman+aek.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJx-EC9Y_Ag
So it seems this is their biggest signing of the year:
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43125577_751610068533491_4296945699670458368_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&oh=54f1be656c092dba59860e91cb100a2d&oe=5C1C9AF3)
Jokes aside.. spare a thought for Panathinaikos..
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43129877_1033528903522762_2395374256788602880_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&oh=5e45f3347ebdbdb185549094d3dfb692&oe=5C61627B)
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Outubro de 2018, 00:20
AEK's owner is worth around 4 billion euros. 4 billion. :drool:
His biggest purchase this season? Dortmunds old bus which is now being repainted to AEK's colours.. Even more pathetic? The AEK media are making out it is a big deal.. and great for the club. I am pretty sure this was the bus that was involved in that terrorist explosion too. You can't make this up.
that's why he's filthy rich :D
ARIS loses @ Panionios.
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Outubro de 2018, 18:16
ARIS loses @ Panionios.
Panionios is not an easy place to go. Aris brought down over 1000 of their fans too to help swing the atmosphere but Panionios are very established. They know how to play balla.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do7cJQKW4AA8sga.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do7cJpoXoAQPEA4.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do7cJ5iX4AA9M5L.jpg)
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PAOK vs Aris next round. Going to be mental.
Citação de: daniel.gomes em 08 de Outubro de 2018, 17:33
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do7cJQKW4AA8sga.jpg)
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Imagine when these idiots are in their new stadium - wall to wall - very close to the pitch - a double tiered wall of hell for the opposing team. Here is their stadium on Sunday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVv5IIt0UG4
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Outubro de 2018, 18:38
PAOK vs Aris next round. Going to be mental.
They already played in the cup 2 weeks ago and it was 1-1. Aris will fight with every part of their being to get something from the game. Aris atm is over tired and suffering from fatugue their last two games. The break will do them good.
AEK fined 70k euros, docked 3 points and will have 2 home games behind closed doors for violence against police at half time vs Olympiacos.
They are now 6th with PAO. :drunk:
Some key games today.
ARIS vs PAOK - 1700 (last time PAOK escaped that place with a victory was 2005).
OFI vs Olympiacos - 1830
Come on Aris!
Fuck those clowns.
Get fucked!
Robbery.
Citação de: Calcio em 21 de Outubro de 2018, 17:41
Robbery.
Missed the game. You see it? What happened? No way Aris would let PAOK have an easy game..
Watching Oly.. fuck. 1-0 down to OFI as I type..
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Outubro de 2018, 19:06
Citação de: Calcio em 21 de Outubro de 2018, 17:41
Robbery.
Missed the game. You see it? What happened? No way Aris would let PAOK have an easy game..
Watching Oly.. fuck. 1-0 down to OFI as I type..
Closed the stream after PAOKs penalty...
Citação de: Calcio em 21 de Outubro de 2018, 19:29
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Outubro de 2018, 19:06
Citação de: Calcio em 21 de Outubro de 2018, 17:41
Robbery.
Missed the game. You see it? What happened? No way Aris would let PAOK have an easy game..
Watching Oly.. fuck. 1-0 down to OFI as I type..
Closed the stream after PAOKs penalty...
Aris missed a penalty soon after.. seems a a very South American type of game. Great crowd, lots of chances, lots of cards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agZtLYafUMg
offtopic:
https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/09/greece-bans-obese-tourists-from-riding-on-donkeys-8022143/
:smokin:
Citação de: HJDK em 21 de Outubro de 2018, 23:13
offtopic:
https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/09/greece-bans-obese-tourists-from-riding-on-donkeys-8022143/
:smokin:
I am happy they have done this finally. I have been twice on these poor donkeys and they were slipping on the stone road even with me on the back and I am only 80 kilos..
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Outubro de 2018, 23:45
Citação de: HJDK em 21 de Outubro de 2018, 23:13
offtopic:
https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/09/greece-bans-obese-tourists-from-riding-on-donkeys-8022143/
:smokin:
I am happy they have done this finally. I have been twice on these poor donkeys and they were slipping on the stone road even with me on the back and I am only 80 kilos..
The shock when americans found out what a fat person is by european standards :rir:
https://youtu.be/1guo7fQLWwE?t=72
Actually what I am saying I think I am like 75 kilos..
AEK have sold over 60,000 tickets for the Bayern game.
Probably all enjoying their last chance to see a big game live before they move into their small new stadium.
Has PAOK played PAO already?
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 22 de Outubro de 2018, 14:07
Has PAOK played PAO already?
No and neither team has lost this season.
They will play on the 29th at the Toumba.
Which reminds me - the Government is about to grant extra land (owned by the ministry of defence I believe) around the Toumba to PAOK so they can build a new stadium of around 41,000 seats. Their site at the Toumba is already bigger than the site of the Besiktas site that houses a new 41,000 seat stadium.
So far they have a clean record against the big 5.
They may have the league in their hands but we know they are capable of ruining everything.
The Fed went with a greek manager o.O
Citação de: Calcio em 25 de Outubro de 2018, 22:19
The Fed went with a greek manager o.O
(http://metarithmisi.liberal.gr/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/anastasiadis-panagia.jpg)
Yes. A very religious man aswell. 3rd class coach - but in essence he is simply a northern greek PAOK man appointed by EPO president Grammenos - who also just happens to be born and raised in Salonika and is also a lifelong PAOK fan..
Faliro, did your wife vote for Haddad or Bolsonaro?
I would say if it wasn't for her Bolsonaro would not have won. She championed him before anyone knew who he was.
Two key games tomorrow.
Panathinaikos vs AEK at 17.00 gmt
Atromitos vs PAOK at 14.00 gmt
Want both aek and the bulgarians to drop points.
Done.
But Olympiacos will strugle against Aris.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 03 de Novembro de 2018, 19:31
Done.
But Olympiacos will strugle against Aris.
It is a season defining game. Everyone knows it. Hassan is back in the squad but not 100% - so perhaps manos to start which I am fine with.
PAOK, PAO, AEK & Atromitos (can't believe how high they are..) all dropped points. Aris will have a sell out crowd. Ref will be Greek. Tomorrow, 5pm GMT has the potential to decide our season. A win and we cut PAOK's lead to 4 points. A draw or a loss.. not worth contemplating.
Aris sacked their coach. Big mistake in my view:
https://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Aris/arhs-telos-o-pako-erera.5355269.html
Vlachodimos and Samaris called to the Greek NT by the new coach Anastasiadis.
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/560195f3e4b0fcc5265b7b78/562b0f76e4b0b7066cf45af6/5be08172758d46b03f6f58cb/1541443795142/vlachodimos-ethniki-benfica.jpg?format=500w)
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A must watch concerning who Savvidis is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug2L_41UP2Q
Aris NEEDS a portuguese manager.
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Novembro de 2018, 13:55
Aris NEEDS a portuguese manager.
Rumours are Aris is either looking for a Greek coach - or a latin coach who has already experienced the Greek reality. Considering most the team is latin - they are torn..
(https://i.snag.gy/cSXgDM.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Novembro de 2018, 18:57
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Novembro de 2018, 13:55
Aris NEEDS a portuguese manager.
Rumours are Aris is either looking for a Greek coach - or a latin coach who has already experienced the Greek reality. Considering most the team is latin - they are torn..
José Peseiro is the man for the job.
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Novembro de 2018, 19:16
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Novembro de 2018, 18:57
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Novembro de 2018, 13:55
Aris NEEDS a portuguese manager.
Rumours are Aris is either looking for a Greek coach - or a latin coach who has already experienced the Greek reality. Considering most the team is latin - they are torn..
José Peseiro is the man for the job.
I would not be surprised.
Atônitos is looking dangerous.
Faliro, how do you and Greeks in general feel about USA? I notice USA has done some intervention in Greece in the 20th century. How do Greeks feel about that in general?
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2018, 22:25
Faliro, how do you and Greeks in general feel about USA? I notice USA has done some intervention in Greece in the 20th century. How do Greeks feel about that in general?
Well there are millions of American Greeks. They of course love America.
Then you have Greeks from Greece.. ::) About half of those are leftists.. They despise America. They believe (perhaps correctly) that the USA supported the Greek Junta. They hate capitalism/commercialisation and see the US as the spearhead of this. The other half.. the capitalist Greeks don't mind the US and let US culture envelope them - perhaps more so than any European nation besides the UK.
Personally I like America. I like people who love their country. When I visited the US - people were good to me. I like what the US stands for. Would like to see Greece have a leader like Trump/Bolsonaro - just to see the left explode.
Enjoy a typical Greek advert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispFPEY3n4Q
American dude spends a weekend with Super 3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKsRzqj4Ui8
Bulgaria, Greece, Romania and Serbia applying to host EC 2028 and WC 2030.
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Novembro de 2018, 01:03
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2018, 22:25
Faliro, how do you and Greeks in general feel about USA? I notice USA has done some intervention in Greece in the 20th century. How do Greeks feel about that in general?
Well there are millions of American Greeks. They of course love America.
Then you have Greeks from Greece.. ::) About half of those are leftists.. They despise America. They believe (perhaps correctly) that the USA supported the Greek Junta. They hate capitalism/commercialisation and see the US as the spearhead of this. The other half.. the capitalist Greeks don't mind the US and let US culture envelope them - perhaps more so than any European nation besides the UK.
Personally I like America. I like people who love their country. When I visited the US - people were good to me. I like what the US stands for. Would like to see Greece have a leader like Trump/Bolsonaro - just to see the left explode.
Enjoy a typical Greek advert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispFPEY3n4Q
I guess Greece is lucky not to stand in the way of American geopolitical interests right now. Ask Serbs about the USA as a no.1 invader, self-proclaimed world policeman and no.1 war-mongerer, supposedly on a war against terrorism at home but supporting it elsewhere and turning countries into piles of dust.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 24 de Novembro de 2018, 05:24
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Novembro de 2018, 01:03
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2018, 22:25
Faliro, how do you and Greeks in general feel about USA? I notice USA has done some intervention in Greece in the 20th century. How do Greeks feel about that in general?
Well there are millions of American Greeks. They of course love America.
Then you have Greeks from Greece.. ::) About half of those are leftists.. They despise America. They believe (perhaps correctly) that the USA supported the Greek Junta. They hate capitalism/commercialisation and see the US as the spearhead of this. The other half.. the capitalist Greeks don't mind the US and let US culture envelope them - perhaps more so than any European nation besides the UK.
Personally I like America. I like people who love their country. When I visited the US - people were good to me. I like what the US stands for. Would like to see Greece have a leader like Trump/Bolsonaro - just to see the left explode.
Enjoy a typical Greek advert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispFPEY3n4Q
I guess Greece is lucky not to stand in the way of American geopolitical interests right now. Ask Serbs about the USA as a no.1 invader, self-proclaimed world policeman and no.1 war-mongerer, supposedly on a war against terrorism at home but supporting it elsewhere and turning countries into piles of dust.
Well the US and UK decided half of Cyprus would be Turkish and it happened. The US decided ancient Serbian lands would also be Sunni owned and it was done.. What do the Greeks and Serbs do? The Greeks elect a communist called Tsipras who goes to Turkey to get honorary degrees from meaningless Turkish universities and builds a mega mosque in downtown Athens. The former 'conservative' New Democracy foreign minister states Islam is a beautiful religion for women especially.. :crazy2: The Serbian minister sings Turkish songs to Erdogan in what can only be seen as an attempt to seduce him.. Greek mainstream TV has wall to wall Sunni Turkish soap operas - in Turkish! Why should the US support Greece or Serbia when the people's themselves elect Ottoman appeasers and clearly don't respect their own ancient cultures? Every time a Jew rules a hollywood studio - you get tonnes of films educating the world on jewish culture and history. Spyros Panagiotis Skouras, a Greek - born in Greece - who came to the US when he was 10 - is the
president of 20th Century Fox studios from 1942 to 1962 and chairman of 20th Century Fox after. He produces some of the biggest Hollywood films ever made while president of Fox - he invented the blockbuster movie - Don't Bother to Knock, The Seven Year Itch, The Hustler, The King and I, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, Cleopatra and The Robe... discovered Marilyn Monroe etc.. Guess how many films he produced that even mentioned anything Greek?
0. Why should an American respect a person who does not even respect their own culture? Now the Serbs.. ok - they have more cause for grief.. but the Greeks.. they don't respect themselves.. that is why no one else does.
This isn't about football, but my honeymoon it's gonna be in Santorini! 💪
It looks like AEK has given up the league.
It will be PAOK vs Olympiacos.
Citação de: Covenant em 26 de Novembro de 2018, 09:45
This isn't about football, but my honeymoon it's gonna be in Santorini! 💪
Absolutely beautiful place. Try and get a cave room.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 26 de Novembro de 2018, 10:10
It looks like AEK has given up the league.
It will be PAOK vs Olympiacos.
AEK imploded. Sold its best players, replaced them with garbage to save money. Lost their very clever Andalusian coach who won the league for them and replaced him with a half price guy named after a Greek aperitif. They basically lost the league in the summer. Had the chance to build on their league win and chose the opposite. They deserve their disaster of a season.
As for Olympiacos and PAOK. PAOK seem unstoppable. They don't put any effort into their european games and lose easily there - everything for them is about winning the league. We are only 6 points behind but each game we play is desperate and PAOK seem to cruise many of their games..
Panathinaikos still doing exceptionally well with another big score - won 5-1 on the weekend. Hopefully PAO, PAOK, OSFP, AEK and Aris all make it into european places. Problem is - Atromitos will likely remove one of the above as their coach and players are excellent. We were lucky to beat them.
If i haven't been following tge GSL for a long time and considering how Olympiacos has been wining games at the last minute i'd say PAOK has the league in their hands, but i know they can blow everything and Olympiacos is capable of catching them.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 26 de Novembro de 2018, 14:05
If i haven't been following tge GSL for a long time and considering how Olympiacos has been wining games at the last minute i'd say PAOK has the league in their hands, but i know they can blow everything and Olympiacos is capable of catching them.
We need them to start drawing or losing games. They are breezing through games currently.
AEK have just permanently expelled Simoes, Lambropoulos and Bakasetas from the team the night before the Ajax game because they were delaying renewing their contracts. :crazy2:
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Novembro de 2018, 20:26
AEK have just permanently expelled Simoes, Lambropoulos and Bakasetas from the team the night before the Ajax game because they were delaying renewing their contracts. :crazy2:
Greece... What else?
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Outubro de 2018, 01:17
Actually what I am saying I think I am like 75 kilos..
I also weight about 75 kilos atm. I am 1,83m though. So I am a bit thin. But I've mostly been between 60 and 67 kilos since 15. I'm currently at my "fattest" ever lol
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Novembro de 2018, 02:49
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Outubro de 2018, 01:17
Actually what I am saying I think I am like 75 kilos..
I also weight about 75 kilos atm. I am 1,83m though. So I am a bit thin. But I've mostly been between 60 and 67 kilos since 15. I'm currently at my "fattest" ever lol
Perhaps you are a little thin for your height.
I used to be around 60kg for ages when I was younger. I have been going to the gym the last few weeks so actually weighed myself. I am 80kg on the dot. Height 179 cms. Easily the fattest I have been even though I am actually a slim guy..
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Novembro de 2018, 20:04
Citação de: StellaRojas em 24 de Novembro de 2018, 05:24
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Novembro de 2018, 01:03
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2018, 22:25
Faliro, how do you and Greeks in general feel about USA? I notice USA has done some intervention in Greece in the 20th century. How do Greeks feel about that in general?
Well there are millions of American Greeks. They of course love America.
Then you have Greeks from Greece.. ::) About half of those are leftists.. They despise America. They believe (perhaps correctly) that the USA supported the Greek Junta. They hate capitalism/commercialisation and see the US as the spearhead of this. The other half.. the capitalist Greeks don't mind the US and let US culture envelope them - perhaps more so than any European nation besides the UK.
Personally I like America. I like people who love their country. When I visited the US - people were good to me. I like what the US stands for. Would like to see Greece have a leader like Trump/Bolsonaro - just to see the left explode.
Enjoy a typical Greek advert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispFPEY3n4Q
I guess Greece is lucky not to stand in the way of American geopolitical interests right now. Ask Serbs about the USA as a no.1 invader, self-proclaimed world policeman and no.1 war-mongerer, supposedly on a war against terrorism at home but supporting it elsewhere and turning countries into piles of dust.
Well the US and UK decided half of Cyprus would be Turkish and it happened. The US decided ancient Serbian lands would also be Sunni owned and it was done.. What do the Greeks and Serbs do? The Greeks elect a communist called Tsipras who goes to Turkey to get honorary degrees from meaningless Turkish universities and builds a mega mosque in downtown Athens. The former 'conservative' New Democracy foreign minister states Islam is a beautiful religion for women especially.. :crazy2: The Serbian minister sings Turkish songs to Erdogan in what can only be seen as an attempt to seduce him.. Greek mainstream TV has wall to wall Sunni Turkish soap operas - in Turkish! Why should the US support Greece or Serbia when the people's themselves elect Ottoman appeasers and clearly don't respect their own ancient cultures? Every time a Jew rules a hollywood studio - you get tonnes of films educating the world on jewish culture and history. Spyros Panagiotis Skouras, a Greek - born in Greece - who came to the US when he was 10 - is the president of 20th Century Fox studios from 1942 to 1962 and chairman of 20th Century Fox after. He produces some of the biggest Hollywood films ever made while president of Fox - he invented the blockbuster movie - Don't Bother to Knock, The Seven Year Itch, The Hustler, The King and I, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, Cleopatra and The Robe... discovered Marilyn Monroe etc.. Guess how many films he produced that even mentioned anything Greek? 0. Why should an American respect a person who does not even respect their own culture? Now the Serbs.. ok - they have more cause for grief.. but the Greeks.. they don't respect themselves.. that is why no one else does.
That is great information about modern Greece. O0
You call Tsipras a communist? In here we didn't have any more that perception, well, maybe perhaps durante Varoufakis period, but not now. Perhaps more as an social-democrat aligned with the EU.
And that subservience to Turkey? You had more than 300 years of Otoman dominance. I had always wandered - and I do not want to offend- that more than 300 years of Ottoman domination in Greece didn't have a effect in the greek culture?
I think that most of the Europeans still had in mind the romantic perception of the ancient Greek, the resplendent Pericles' Athens, the Spartan imaginary or the Alexander the Great tales and didn't know almost nothing of the modern Greece.
Greece where only talked when had that problem with the bailout, and the image was not quite good. Some portuguese journalists called you lazy while others only stressed the violence in the street.
I know a little bit of ancient greek (quite difficult tongue) and quite well (or maybe no that well) the history of Ancient Greece, but I am (and I think we Europeans) are completely ignorant about Modern Greece and his contemporaries problems.
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 29 de Novembro de 2018, 23:07
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Novembro de 2018, 20:04
Citação de: StellaRojas em 24 de Novembro de 2018, 05:24
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Novembro de 2018, 01:03
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2018, 22:25
Faliro, how do you and Greeks in general feel about USA? I notice USA has done some intervention in Greece in the 20th century. How do Greeks feel about that in general?
Well there are millions of American Greeks. They of course love America.
Then you have Greeks from Greece.. ::) About half of those are leftists.. They despise America. They believe (perhaps correctly) that the USA supported the Greek Junta. They hate capitalism/commercialisation and see the US as the spearhead of this. The other half.. the capitalist Greeks don't mind the US and let US culture envelope them - perhaps more so than any European nation besides the UK.
Personally I like America. I like people who love their country. When I visited the US - people were good to me. I like what the US stands for. Would like to see Greece have a leader like Trump/Bolsonaro - just to see the left explode.
Enjoy a typical Greek advert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispFPEY3n4Q
I guess Greece is lucky not to stand in the way of American geopolitical interests right now. Ask Serbs about the USA as a no.1 invader, self-proclaimed world policeman and no.1 war-mongerer, supposedly on a war against terrorism at home but supporting it elsewhere and turning countries into piles of dust.
Well the US and UK decided half of Cyprus would be Turkish and it happened. The US decided ancient Serbian lands would also be Sunni owned and it was done.. What do the Greeks and Serbs do? The Greeks elect a communist called Tsipras who goes to Turkey to get honorary degrees from meaningless Turkish universities and builds a mega mosque in downtown Athens. The former 'conservative' New Democracy foreign minister states Islam is a beautiful religion for women especially.. :crazy2: The Serbian minister sings Turkish songs to Erdogan in what can only be seen as an attempt to seduce him.. Greek mainstream TV has wall to wall Sunni Turkish soap operas - in Turkish! Why should the US support Greece or Serbia when the people's themselves elect Ottoman appeasers and clearly don't respect their own ancient cultures? Every time a Jew rules a hollywood studio - you get tonnes of films educating the world on jewish culture and history. Spyros Panagiotis Skouras, a Greek - born in Greece - who came to the US when he was 10 - is the president of 20th Century Fox studios from 1942 to 1962 and chairman of 20th Century Fox after. He produces some of the biggest Hollywood films ever made while president of Fox - he invented the blockbuster movie - Don't Bother to Knock, The Seven Year Itch, The Hustler, The King and I, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, Cleopatra and The Robe... discovered Marilyn Monroe etc.. Guess how many films he produced that even mentioned anything Greek? 0. Why should an American respect a person who does not even respect their own culture? Now the Serbs.. ok - they have more cause for grief.. but the Greeks.. they don't respect themselves.. that is why no one else does.
That is great information about modern Greece. O0
You call Tsipras a communist? In here we didn't have any more that perception, well, maybe perhaps durante Varoufakis period, but not now. Perhaps more as an social-democrat aligned with the EU.
And that subservience to Turkey? You had more than 300 years of Otoman dominance. I had always wandered - and I do not want to offend- that more than 300 years of Ottoman domination in Greece didn't have a effect in the greek culture?
I think that most of the Europeans still had in mind the romantic perception of the ancient Greek, the resplendent Pericles' Athens, the Spartan imaginary or the Alexander the Great tales and didn't know almost nothing of the modern Greece.
Greece where only talked when had that problem with the bailout, and the image was not quite good. Some portuguese journalists called you lazy while others only stressed the violence in the street.
I know a little bit of ancient greek (quite difficult tongue) and quite well (or maybe no that well) the history of Ancient Greece, but I am (and I think we Europeans) are completely ignorant about Modern Greece and his contemporaries problems.
This is a very interesting post, so I will answer each point.
Tsipras is a communist, but communist is a general term. Specifically Tsipras is a
progressive Trotskyist like most northern Greeks with dubious heritage. I believe parts of his family 100 years ago were actually Albanian. Now Trotskyists make up most of his party - Syriza. How I classify them is an international communists. For example - you have isolationist communists - like the former Albanian state, North Korea, Cuba etc. Then you have international communists - like the PT party that ruled Brazil for so many years. Like Tsipras, Dilma was basically an anti police, crypto-anarchist terrorist in her youth. Tsipras - there was even a picture of him rioting against the police as a youth. As they matured (they are both from wealthy parents) - they evolved into Trotskyists. Dilma and Lula made the Brazilian taxpayer fund African, Venezuelan and Cuban infrastructure for years as per their internationalist ethos. Tsipras believes the very idea of national borders is 'silly' and his first act as Greek PM was to lay flowers at the graves of Greek communists killed in the Greek Civil War. Tsipras like Dilma believes nationhood and patriotism are fascist ideals. Varoufakis is very similar too. Multi millionaire parents and a Trotskyist internationalist outlook.
Now to the second point. Ottoman subservience. Ottoman subservience is only partaken in Greece by leftists, liberals and generally speaking - those of convoluted and fractured balkan ancestry who became Greeks rather than being descended from Greeks during the Greek territorial expansions in the 20th century. The right, royalists, most of the Peloponnese and Crete and many of the capitalist Greeks despise Turkey and their culture. The media in Greece - in its totality is left wing. Every single channel. There is no such thing as a American FOX type of channel in Greece. So the Greek media feed pro Turkish programmes 24/7. They try and push Greece towards the east even though Greeks are exceptionally Christian and genetically - exceptionally homogeneous to their region with very little in common with Turks. That is why whenever they dig up ancient Greek bones and test the DNA - the closest living relatives to these ancient bones are usually the people down the road from where the bones were found. It is the same in Italy. When you look a Turkish DNA - it is like a cloud atlas rainbow. Far eastern, middle eastern, Armenian, Greek - bits of slav - central asian. They are a cocktail that reflects their journey across Eurasia from China and they look it and act like it. Turks were eternal nomads - living in tents, drinking horses milk - many still do in the countryside there. Many of Anatolia's traditional food industries (olives, figs, fishing - where and what to fish) died when the Greeks were expelled in the 1920s. Turks even invited Greeks back in the 1930s to tend to the olive groves and agriculture because the Turks had never worked the land since they arrived in Anatolia. Greeks under the Ottomans were the farmers, fisherman, bandits and business people since the Ottomans arrived. The Ottomans were more concerned with Allah, the Sultan and the military. Only the Ottoman high classes lived it up and they were exceptionally few. Turkey still looks to expand. That is why they control large chunks of Syria now. They are a people of conquest. You can't turn that off.
The Greeks are descendants of the ancient Greeks genetically, linguistically and culturally. The Byzantines damaged and preserved that legacy. They damaged the continuity by force-feeding Christianity to Greeks - which is a type of communism - and persecuting all Greeks who still follwoed the ancient Olympian religion. Greeks became 'Christians' first and Greeks second or at least that is what the Byzantine rulers wanted. There were Byzantine thinkers who tried to return the Greek peoples to the Olympian religion, most markedly Gemistus Pletho. The Byzantine legacy is the strong Christian and anti paganism that still runs through Greece - although many Greeks are now returning to the Olympian religion - despite the Greek Government not allowing it to have official status.
When the Ottomans took over - instead of wiping Greeks off the face of the earth like they did with other peoples they conquered - they offered the Greeks they did not sell into slavery a stark choice. Convert to Islam and pay virtually no tax - or stay Greek - be heavily taxed - could have your children stolen for the Devshirme and expect massacres and persecution. Many many Greeks including the upper Byzantine classes picked the first option. Behind many Turkish Asiatic eyes.. there lies many a Greek who converted to Islam and became Turkish as a result and is now lost in the Turkish soup. Now the few Greeks that did not convert to Islam, that is what is left of the ancient Greeks and they now make up modern Greece - and indeed that is romantic - that Greeks even exist today.. Ottoman times were desperate for Greeks. However, most refused to learn Turkish, they kept their traditions, their bloodlines, were often massacred - but enough survived to tell the story. Luckily the Turks also left certain regions of Greece under self rule so many areas of Greece never even had to meet a turk. The region my ancestors came from - despite experiencing a nasty massacre from the Turks in the 1700 - were allowed to live with very little Turkish interference under the ottoman Empire and even had free trade deals with Constantinople which made a fair few in the region very rich. Modern Greek communists despise this idea of Greeks surviving the Ottomans or even surviving the unsuccessful slavic invasions during the central point of the Byzantine Empire. Greek communists tend to believe in one global nation. That is why they all love the EU. Any Greek proud of their ancient heritage is seen as a 'fascist' and laughed at. Ancestor worship is laughed at by Greek communists. During the Greek civil war - the Greek communists wished to join Greece to the Soviet Union and dissolve any links anyone had with their pasts! :crazy2:
Now your final part. Greece is correctly mocked by other Europeans because Greeks themselves do not promote, protect or enhance their own culture enough and Europeans cannot be blamed for going for the weakness. Greeks have never been loved by most Europeans. Most Europeans could never figure Greeks out. Are they ancient Greeks? Are they a completely modern people who have no connection to their pasts (and just happen to speak Greek) as some now debunked pseudo victorian anthropologists such as Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer insidiously claimed?
The sad truth? The Greeks did not kill the communists after the civil war or even expel them. They were allowed to return home and breed and now their grandchildren rule the country. To make matters worse - the capitalists - the royalist Greeks - the highly educated.. they fled Greece the last 100 years for greener pastures and now live in Canada, US, Aus, France, Germany, Brazil etc causing terminal brain drain to Greece. If the communists had won the civil war - they would have massacred their opponents. They were massacring Greeks during the actual civil war - what they would have done afterwards had they won is not worth contemplating. The communists went home after the civil war. Their children all became teachers, govt funded workers. Now they rule. Why do you think Greeks are the only Europeans allowed to riot at a football game - fight for hours, burn and attack others - and yet no one is arrested? It is because the Greek police are seen as fascists since the Junta and not one of them is allowed to arrest anyone! Rioting by the Greek left is seen as an expression against capitalism. Even the Greek Govt communist sports minister stated hooligans are violent in Greece because of a
broken capitalist society as opposed to them being actual criminals - he states they are victims. That is why anarchists rule central athens - police can't even patrol in Exarcheia! :rir:
Greeks survived the Persians, the Romans, the Slavs, the crusaders, the Franks, the Ottomans...the Nazis, however perhaps the nemesis of the Greeks will be pseudo communism. Greeks could survive anything - however they have struggled to survive a parasitical Trotskyist doctrine where one Greek states to another Greek that Greeks actually don't exist in the first place.. That could be the fatal blow to a people that are so essential to the history of the West but then again - was Hellas ever just a beautiful memory that can never die? Even if I am the last one who believes in Hellas - I make it real..
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Faliro, how do you and Greeks in general feel about USA? I notice USA has done some intervention in Greece in the 20th century. How do Greeks feel about that in general?
Well there are millions of American Greeks. They of course love America.
Then you have Greeks from Greece.. ::) About half of those are leftists.. They despise America. They believe (perhaps correctly) that the USA supported the Greek Junta. They hate capitalism/commercialisation and see the US as the spearhead of this. The other half.. the capitalist Greeks don't mind the US and let US culture envelope them - perhaps more so than any European nation besides the UK.
Personally I like America. I like people who love their country. When I visited the US - people were good to me. I like what the US stands for. Would like to see Greece have a leader like Trump/Bolsonaro - just to see the left explode.
Enjoy a typical Greek advert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispFPEY3n4Q
I guess Greece is lucky not to stand in the way of American geopolitical interests right now. Ask Serbs about the USA as a no.1 invader, self-proclaimed world policeman and no.1 war-mongerer, supposedly on a war against terrorism at home but supporting it elsewhere and turning countries into piles of dust.
Well the US and UK decided half of Cyprus would be Turkish and it happened. The US decided ancient Serbian lands would also be Sunni owned and it was done.. What do the Greeks and Serbs do? The Greeks elect a communist called Tsipras who goes to Turkey to get honorary degrees from meaningless Turkish universities and builds a mega mosque in downtown Athens. The former 'conservative' New Democracy foreign minister states Islam is a beautiful religion for women especially.. :crazy2: The Serbian minister sings Turkish songs to Erdogan in what can only be seen as an attempt to seduce him.. Greek mainstream TV has wall to wall Sunni Turkish soap operas - in Turkish! Why should the US support Greece or Serbia when the people's themselves elect Ottoman appeasers and clearly don't respect their own ancient cultures? Every time a Jew rules a hollywood studio - you get tonnes of films educating the world on jewish culture and history. Spyros Panagiotis Skouras, a Greek - born in Greece - who came to the US when he was 10 - is the president of 20th Century Fox studios from 1942 to 1962 and chairman of 20th Century Fox after. He produces some of the biggest Hollywood films ever made while president of Fox - he invented the blockbuster movie - Don't Bother to Knock, The Seven Year Itch, The Hustler, The King and I, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, Cleopatra and The Robe... discovered Marilyn Monroe etc.. Guess how many films he produced that even mentioned anything Greek? 0. Why should an American respect a person who does not even respect their own culture? Now the Serbs.. ok - they have more cause for grief.. but the Greeks.. they don't respect themselves.. that is why no one else does.
That is great information about modern Greece. O0
You call Tsipras a communist? In here we didn't have any more that perception, well, maybe perhaps durante Varoufakis period, but not now. Perhaps more as an social-democrat aligned with the EU.
And that subservience to Turkey? You had more than 300 years of Otoman dominance. I had always wandered - and I do not want to offend- that more than 300 years of Ottoman domination in Greece didn't have a effect in the greek culture?
I think that most of the Europeans still had in mind the romantic perception of the ancient Greek, the resplendent Pericles' Athens, the Spartan imaginary or the Alexander the Great tales and didn't know almost nothing of the modern Greece.
Greece where only talked when had that problem with the bailout, and the image was not quite good. Some portuguese journalists called you lazy while others only stressed the violence in the street.
I know a little bit of ancient greek (quite difficult tongue) and quite well (or maybe no that well) the history of Ancient Greece, but I am (and I think we Europeans) are completely ignorant about Modern Greece and his contemporaries problems.
This is a very interesting post, so I will answer each point.
Tsipras is a communist, but communist is a general term. Specifically Tsipras is a progressive Trotskyist like most northern Greeks with dubious heritage. I believe parts of his family 100 years ago were actually Albanian. Now Trotskyists make up most of his party - Syriza. How I classify them is an international communists. For example - you have isolationist communists - like the former Albanian state, North Korea, Cuba etc. Then you have international communists - like the PT party that ruled Brazil for so many years. Like Tsipras, Dilma was basically an anti police, crypto-anarchist terrorist in her youth. Tsipras - there was even a picture of him rioting against the police as a youth. As they matured (they are both from wealthy parents) - they evolved into Trotskyists. Dilma and Lula made the Brazilian taxpayer fund African, Venezuelan and Cuban infrastructure for years as per their internationalist ethos. Tsipras believes the very idea of national borders is 'silly' and his first act as Greek PM was to lay flowers at the graves of Greek communists killed in the Greek Civil War. Tsipras like Dilma believes nationhood and patriotism are fascist ideals. Varoufakis is very similar too. Multi millionaire parents and a Trotskyist internationalist outlook.
Now to the second point. Ottoman subservience. Ottoman subservience is only partaken in Greece by leftists, liberals and generally speaking - those of convoluted and fractured balkan ancestry who became Greeks rather than being descended from Greeks during the Greek territorial expansions in the 20th century. The right, royalists, most of the Peloponnese and Crete and many of the capitalist Greeks despise Turkey and their culture. The media in Greece - in its totality is left wing. Every single channel. There is no such thing as a American FOX type of channel in Greece. So the Greek media feed pro Turkish programmes 24/7. They try and push Greece towards the east even though Greeks are exceptionally Christian and genetically - exceptionally homogeneous to their region with very little in common with Turks. That is why whenever they dig up ancient Greek bones and test the DNA - the closest living relatives to these ancient bones are usually the people down the road from where the bones were found. It is the same in Italy. When you look a Turkish DNA - it is like a cloud atlas rainbow. Far eastern, middle eastern, Armenian, Greek - bits of slav - central asian. They are a cocktail that reflects their journey across Eurasia from China and they look it and act like it. Turks were eternal nomads - living in tents, drinking horses milk - many still do in the countryside there. Many of Anatolia's traditional food industries (olives, figs, fishing - where and what to fish) died when the Greeks were expelled in the 1920s. Turks even invited Greeks back in the 1930s to tend to the olive groves and agriculture because the Turks had never worked the land since they arrived in Anatolia. Greeks under the Ottomans were the farmers, fisherman, bandits and business people since the Ottomans arrived. The Ottomans were more concerned with Allah, the Sultan and the military. Only the Ottoman high classes lived it up and they were exceptionally few. Turkey still looks to expand. That is why they control large chunks of Syria now. They are a people of conquest. You can't turn that off.
The Greeks are descendants of the ancient Greeks genetically, linguistically and culturally. The Byzantines damaged and preserved that legacy. They damaged the continuity by force-feeding Christianity to Greeks - which is a type of communism - and persecuting all Greeks who still follwoed the ancient Olympian religion. Greeks became 'Christians' first and Greeks second or at least that is what the Byzantine rulers wanted. There were Byzantine thinkers who tried to return the Greek peoples to the Olympian religion, most markedly Gemistus Pletho. The Byzantine legacy is the strong Christian and anti paganism that still runs through Greece - although many Greeks are now returning to the Olympian religion - despite the Greek Government not allowing it to have official status.
When the Ottomans took over - instead of wiping Greeks off the face of the earth like they did with other peoples they conquered - they offered the Greeks they did not sell into slavery a stark choice. Convert to Islam and pay virtually no tax - or stay Greek - be heavily taxed - could have your children stolen for the Devshirme and expect massacres and persecution. Many many Greeks including the upper Byzantine classes picked the first option. Behind many Turkish Asiatic eyes.. there lies many a Greek who converted to Islam and became Turkish as a result and is now lost in the Turkish soup. Now the few Greeks that did not convert to Islam, that is what is left of the ancient Greeks and they now make up modern Greece - and indeed that is romantic - that Greeks even exist today.. Ottoman times were desperate for Greeks. However, most refused to learn Turkish, they kept their traditions, their bloodlines, were often massacred - but enough survived to tell the story. Luckily the Turks also left certain regions of Greece under self rule so many areas of Greece never even had to meet a turk. The region my ancestors came from - despite experiencing a nasty massacre from the Turks in the 1700 - were allowed to live with very little Turkish interference under the ottoman Empire and even had free trade deals with Constantinople which made a fair few in the region very rich. Modern Greek communists despise this idea of Greeks surviving the Ottomans or even surviving the unsuccessful slavic invasions during the central point of the Byzantine Empire. Greek communists tend to believe in one global nation. That is why they all love the EU. Any Greek proud of their ancient heritage is seen as a 'fascist' and laughed at. Ancestor worship is laughed at by Greek communists. During the Greek civil war - the Greek communists wished to join Greece to the Soviet Union and dissolve any links anyone had with their pasts! :crazy2:
Now your final part. Greece is correctly mocked by other Europeans because Greeks themselves do not promote, protect or enhance their own culture enough and Europeans cannot be blamed for going for the weakness. Greeks have never been loved by most Europeans. Most Europeans could never figure Greeks out. Are they ancient Greeks? Are they a completely modern people who have no connection to their pasts (and just happen to speak Greek) as some now debunked pseudo victorian anthropologists such as Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer insidiously claimed?
The sad truth? The Greeks did not kill the communists after the civil war or even expel them. They were allowed to return home and breed and now their grandchildren rule the country. To make matters worse - the capitalists - the royalist Greeks - the highly educated.. they fled Greece the last 100 years for greener pastures and now live in Canada, US, Aus, France, Germany, Brazil etc causing terminal brain drain to Greece. If the communists had won the civil war - they would have massacred their opponents. They were massacring Greeks during the actual civil war - what they would have done afterwards had they won is not worth contemplating. The communists went home after the civil war. Their children all became teachers, govt funded workers. Now they rule. Why do you think Greeks are the only Europeans allowed to riot at a football game - fight for hours, burn and attack others - and yet no one is arrested? It is because the Greek police are seen as fascists since the Junta and not one of them is allowed to arrest anyone! Rioting by the Greek left is seen as an expression against capitalism. Even the Greek Govt communist sports minister stated hooligans are violent in Greece because of a broken capitalist society as opposed to them being actual criminals - he states they are victims. That is why anarchists rule central athens - police can't even patrol in Exarcheia! :rir:
Greeks survived the Persians, the Romans, the Slavs, the crusaders, the Franks, the Ottomans...the Nazis, however perhaps the nemesis of the Greeks will be pseudo communism. Greeks could survive anything - however they have struggled to survive a parasitical Trotskyist doctrine where one Greek states to another Greek that Greeks actually don't exist in the first place.. That could be the fatal blow to a people that are so essential to the history of the West but then again - was Hellas ever just a beautiful memory that can never die? Even if I am the last one who believes in Hellas - I make it real..
Thank you for your reply. :bow2:
You explain it very well O0. I understand the Tsipras point (and I know that famous picture of Tsipras rioting). Here, in Portugal, we had a party similar to Syriza (and supports Syriza, of course), called
Bloco de Esquerda (Left Bloc), which is a amalgam of Trotskyist parties that were melted around 1999. Curiously, we had an old Communist Party, a relic, (called PCP: Portuguese Communist Party) that still had some power in the Portuguese democracy. It links on that you called isolationist communists. Kind of Soviet Stalinist and patriotical too. One of the their slogans are: one patriotical policy and of left (some like that).
That second point is very interesting. Your report suggests a highly fractured society and a Greece surrounded by enemies. Turks in the East, Balkanians in the North or West. And that Anatolian narrative fits well with the history of Greece. People ignored that in the ancient times, until 1453, at least, all the so called
Asia Minor were Greek.
The third point, for me, is very curious. The conversion of the East to Cristianism is paradoxical. The proto-Christianity had some strong spots (Damascus, Antioch, Corinth, etc), and without the Greek
koiné, in my point of view, there will no be Christianity as we know; but, in the other hand, even after the famous edict of Milan by Constantine and Licinius, wee see a strong resistance (I remember Alexandria (the case of Hipatia); or even the closure of the School of Athens by Justinian. Or, as you said, Gemistus Pletho, but that is far away the period that I am talking. I don't know that some people rejects the Byzantine heritage, I had always think, and especially for the Justinian period and later, that the Greeks were proud of their Byzantine heritage. But well, I am glad that some of you are returning to the Olympians.
The fourth point is a classic of emperorship command. Here, in the Iberian Peninsula, we had a similar approach when Tariq defeated the Visigoths. Most of the Visigothic upper classes converted to Islam instead of paying taxes. And we had a special group called
Moçárabes, (Mozarabs) that were people that continuing to follow the Roman Catholic rite, but adopted Arabic costumes and speak Arabic too. And for long years, before the Crusades, we lived peacefully with the Arabs, and even had some autonomy - like the region your heritage lived.
You said that "Greeks have never been loved by most Europeans." For now, I agree, but in the XIX century and XX century, perhaps no. Especially in the XIX century, because of the Philhellenism, you had many admirers (I remember that even Lord Byron joined you in independence war). But you are right as some of the intellectuals despise you. It was a king of love/hate relationship. Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer was a fraud, as you well know. In the other hand, people who loved History (and unfortunately nowadays are few) connect you with the ancient Greeks. I remember a Portuguese politician who died recently, by the time of the peak of the crisis of your bailout, that said that Greece must be saved because it was there that Democracy was born.
The penultimate point: well that resumes the whole thing. A highly divided society. I had almost forgot the Junta, but your 20 th Century was highly dramatic. The Second World War and immediately the Civil War. Problems with Cyprus, etc. I think that one of your problems are that you are always on the maximum or the minimum. From total oppression to total anarchy. That story that the Police had no powers at all is almost surrealistic - and I am not a great fan of military forces. But as for the EU (I am pro-European but I defend the complete autonomy of the members and no interference of the European Commission in the internal affairs), there was no improvement after the admission in the EU? Here in Portugal it was almost the night for the day. We had a corporatist authoritarian regime (similar to Mussolini's fascism) for more than 40 years, and after the establishment of the democracy in 1974 and admission of Portugal in the EU in 1986, we had a deep improvement of our life conditions.
Your final statement is very true. The Greeks survived everything and everyone. Why not now? I believe that will be some reaction. Modern Greece is a country relatively recent country and like you there will be some persons that love Hellas and that are not happy with the recent developments... One final question: and about Macedonia? I heard that Tsipras had made a deal with the Macedonians because of the question of the North of Macedonia? But I heard that are some opposition in Greece to that deal (and that proofs that not all Greeks are "sleeping").
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Thank you for your reply. :bow2:
You explain it very well O0. I understand the Tsipras point (and I know that famous picture of Tsipras rioting). Here, in Portugal, we had a party similar to Syriza (and supports Syriza, of course), called Bloco de Esquerda (Left Bloc), which is a amalgam of Trotskyist parties that were melted around 1999. Curiously, we had an old Communist Party, a relic, (called PCP: Portuguese Communist Party) that still had some power in the Portuguese democracy. It links on that you called isolationist communists. Kind of Soviet Stalinist and patriotical too. One of the their slogans are: one patriotical policy and of left (some like that).
That second point is very interesting. Your report suggests a highly fractured society and a Greece surrounded by enemies. Turks in the East, Balkanians in the North or West. And that Anatolian narrative fits well with the history of Greece. People ignored that in the ancient times, until 1453, at least, all the so called Asia Minor were Greek.
The third point, for me, is very curious. The conversion of the East to Cristianism is paradoxical. The proto-Christianity had some strong spots (Damascus, Antioch, Corinth, etc), and without the Greek koiné, in my point of view, there will no be Christianity as we know; but, in the other hand, even after the famous edict of Milan by Constantine and Licinius, wee see a strong resistance (I remember Alexandria (the case of Hipatia); or even the closure of the School of Athens by Justinian. Or, as you said, Gemistus Pletho, but that is far away the period that I am talking. I don't know that some people rejects the Byzantine heritage, I had always think, and especially for the Justinian period and later, that the Greeks were proud of their Byzantine heritage. But well, I am glad that some of you are returning to the Olympians.
The fourth point is a classic of emperorship command. Here, in the Iberian Peninsula, we had a similar approach when Tariq defeated the Visigoths. Most of the Visigothic upper classes converted to Islam instead of paying taxes. And we had a special group called Moçárabes, (Mozarabs) that were people that continuing to follow the Roman Catholic rite, but adopted Arabic costumes and speak Arabic too. And for long years, before the Crusades, we lived peacefully with the Arabs, and even had some autonomy - like the region your heritage lived.
You said that "Greeks have never been loved by most Europeans." For now, I agree, but in the XIX century and XX century, perhaps no. Especially in the XIX century, because of the Philhellenism, you had many admirers (I remember that even Lord Byron joined you in independence war). But you are right as some of the intellectuals despise you. It was a king of love/hate relationship. Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer was a fraud, as you well know. In the other hand, people who loved History (and unfortunately nowadays are few) connect you with the ancient Greeks. I remember a Portuguese politician who died recently, by the time of the peak of the crisis of your bailout, that said that Greece must be saved because it was there that Democracy was born.
The penultimate point: well that resumes the whole thing. A highly divided society. I had almost forgot the Junta, but your 20 th Century was highly dramatic. The Second World War and immediately the Civil War. Problems with Cyprus, etc. I think that one of your problems are that you are always on the maximum or the minimum. From total oppression to total anarchy. That story that the Police had no powers at all is almost surrealistic - and I am not a great fan of military forces. But as for the EU (I am pro-European but I defend the complete autonomy of the members and no interference of the European Commission in the internal affairs), there was no improvement after the admission in the EU? Here in Portugal it was almost the night for the day. We had a corporatist authoritarian regime (similar to Mussolini's fascism) for more than 40 years, and after the establishment of the democracy in 1974 and admission of Portugal in the EU in 1986, we had a deep improvement of our life conditions.
Your final statement is very true. The Greeks survived everything and everyone. Why not now? I believe that will be some reaction. Modern Greece is a country relatively recent country and like you there will be some persons that love Hellas and that are not happy with the recent developments... One final question: and about Macedonia? I heard that Tsipras had made a deal with the Macedonians because of the question of the North of Macedonia? But I heard that are some opposition in Greece to that deal (and that proofs that not all Greeks are "sleeping").
Yes Greece still has the equivalent to the Portuguese PCP. It is the KKE, literally, the Communist Party of Greece. They model themselves on a type of Stalinist isolationism. They used to have summer festivals that would include seminars discussing why the Soviet Union collapsed and how they would do things differently to ensure their own revolution doesn't fail.. :crazy2: Interestingly, the KKE which still polls around 3% refused to go into coalition with Syriza claiming Syriza were too far left!!
As to your second point, you are correct. Sadly the Greeks allowed the world to use the word Byzantium - a descriptive term coined by a German long after the fall of the Empire. The Greeks themselves called the Byzantium Empire - Romania - a term that the Italians disliked being associated with Greeks - to this day.. ;D The latin world and especially Iberians, French etc called the Byzantine Empire - 'The Empire of the Greeks' - I remember that was the term Tirant Lo Blanc used.
To your third point. You are correct. Most Greeks are proud of Byzantine heritage. Me not so much because I did not like the idea of a backward desert religion (abrahamic religions of the Chrismusjews) dominating the Hellenes - whose love of knowledge was unsurpassed. AEK, PAOK - many religious Greeks - they respect Byzantium. Me.. meh..
To your 4th point. The Mozarabs had their mirror in Greece. However many Greeks went full retard and actually became muslims. They correctly were not forgiven by the Greeks and removed from Greek controlled lands when Greece was liberated. A good example of this was the Cretan muslim Greeks. The minute Crete became free, these muslims - although Greek speaking and even Greek genetically - were booted out of Crete - and of whom many ended up as far as Libya and Syria - and to this day - they still speak Greek and to this day the Greeks still see them as traitors. Greeks never forget a traitor.. After WW2, every Greek woman who had slept with a nazi officer - most often simply for food - was hung in her respective town square after Greece was liberated. Greeks never forget someone who defects.
To your fith point. The major reason most europeans do not connect greeks with ancient Greeks is Fallmerayer. In fact mainstream German newspapers still quote him to dehumanise Greeks:
http://en.protothema.gr/die-welts-provocative-racist-article/
Hungarians, Albanians, Fyromians still quote his nonsense concerning Greece daily. Now remember, Fallmerayer was a contemporary to Lord Byron... so even at the height of philhelenism, there was still powerful voices seeking to pretend Greeks were simply turkish/ slavic Christians who learnt the Greek language by accident and were masquerading as something else. Byron could see immediately the ancient in the Greeks - good and bad and DNA testing has now shattered Fallmerayer's Greek extinction theory. But it is too late. The voices of 80 million Turks, Germans, Albanians, Skopians, Hungarians, Greek communists etc shout louder than 5 million patriotic Greeks - many of whom have not even read the classics or care to. Greek politicians also like Portuguese culture at times. Famously former Greek PM Andreas Papandreou used to lock himself in his office with fado music blasting.. ;D
To your penultimate point. In this respect Greece has a little bit of a diffetent story to Portugal. Greece boomed in the 60s and 70s. Especially under the Junta. In fact tge only country that grew faster than Greece in those years was Japan..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_economic_miracle
After the Junta collapsed, the unions took over and Greek industry died completely soon after. PASOK created 100,000s of govt funded jobs per year... the country was finished. The leftist parties were so popular, the Greek conservative party - ND - shifted left and in any other nation on earth except Greece, ND would be considered centre left rather than conservative. Now the EU was the final nail in the coffin. Suddenly Greeks could borrow for nothing and the minute the Euro was introduced, prices shot up as wages stayed the same. It was a disaster. As for EU projects.. remember the joke?
A Greek mayor of a small Greek village visits a Spanish mayor of a small Spanish town. Once there, the Spaniard takes the Greek out to a good restaurant. After that they return to the Spaniard's villa. The Greek can't believe how well the Spaniard lives. 'How did you do this on your mayor salary?' the Greek asks.. The Spaniard points to the horizon.. 'See that bridge? It was supposed to have 4 lanes.' The Greek looks. 'My goodness!' - he says. 'I only see two lanes!' The Spaniard smiles.. 'Exactly..' he says..
Years later the Spanish mayor visits the Greek one. The Spaniard is surprised at how small the Greek village is. However what is more surprising is the Greek's villa! Gold taps.. marble floors, two swimming pools.. it is like Saddam's palace in there! 'How an earth did you afford this,' the Spaniard screams! The Greek says, 'you see that bridge over there on the horizon?' The Spaniard squints and says ' err..I see nothing..' The Greek replies - 'Exactly..'To your final point. Tsipras - like all Greek communists is decended from communists. His relatives would have fought on the side of the communists during the Greek civil war. To get more troops, the Greek communists frighteningly promised slavs in Skopia and Bulgaria - land in Greece if they won - because Greece would no longer have borders with fellow communist states and be a defacto Soviet state - with all peoples allowed to live in Greece. However the communists lost, but Greek communists have ever since always had a soft spot for Skopians and Bulgars - who they would have shared the spoils of Greece with had they won the war. Tsipras by allowing Skopians to call themselves Macedonians is simply rewarding his old communist slavic allies. That is why his first action as PM was to visit the graves of Greek communists who died in the civil war. Tsipras is still there - in the 1940s mentally. He literally calls anyone who does not agree with him a 'fascist.' As for this absurd deal.... 70% of Greeks are against it:
http://www.ekathimerini.com/229746/article/ekathimerini/news/seven-in-10-greeks-opposed-to-north-macedonia-poll-shows
Tsipras called those who oppose the deal 'fascists'... yes - he actually said that.. so 70% of Greeks are suddenly fascists according to the Greek communist PM.. :coolsmiley:
That accusation did not sit will characters like this talented man who is as left wing as they come:
https://greece.greekreporter.com/2018/06/26/greek-composer-mikis-theodorakis-calls-macedonia-deal-national-humiliation/
So are Greeks sleeping on the issue? Yes. 70% don't want it.. yes they protested in Athens and Salonika.. but so? Tsipras invented the protest - that does not scare him.. The only thing that will scare him is if someone physically removes him from power..
As you stated, Greece is one of those rare nations that is completely surrounded by enemies. Even North Korea has often had a friend in China. Greece.. its nearest ally? Armenia.. Bulgars think the Macedonian region of Greece used to be theirs.. :crazy2: Skopians think the same.. :crazy2: Albanians think every Greek is really a Crypto Albanian who was forced to be greek :huh: or sold-out to become Greek.. :estrelas: All of them are breast fed Fallmerayer from birth.. Hungarians believe all the above as does the mainstream modern German and UK press. Italians are still angry at Greeks calling the Byzantium Empire the 'Second Rome.' :rir: They also tried to conquer Greece under Mussolini to create a 'New Rome' and southern Italy went from a region that spoke Greek as a ligua franca from 600 BC to the 1500s AD - to a region where only 20,000 still speak Greek today thanks to years of anti Greek propaganda.. Under Mussolini for example there were posters across Southern Italy saying: 'Don't speak the language of the donkey' (the language of the donkey referring to Greek of course..). Turkey still believes Greece should belong to them and flies its armed jets over Greek territory every day to intimidate and bully Greece.... Greece is basically this island:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTbpq3p5-uST8zxiguPa9HpOPoPqZrh2n8DHVZ4OJWd9vyxUcqFjw)
And you know what? I am fine with that. What I don't forgive is Greeks who back the other side... Northern Greek 'academics' who clearly have slavic ancestry.. saying that Greeks as a people have no connection to ancient Greece.. These are the dangerous ones. These are the ones I will never forgive.
faliro what do you think about atromitos match?
Citação de: miguelsousamartins em 01 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:50
faliro what do you think about atromitos match?
Which one friend? The one coming up for them vs Apollon or the one on the weekend where they played Olympiacos and lost 1-2?
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:55
Citação de: miguelsousamartins em 01 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:50
faliro what do you think about atromitos match?
Which one friend? The one coming up for them vs Apollon or the one on the weekend where they played Olympiacos and lost 1-2?
the coming up match... the odd is good for them to win. but I don't know very well greek football!
Citação de: miguelsousamartins em 01 de Dezembro de 2018, 01:14
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:55
Citação de: miguelsousamartins em 01 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:50
faliro what do you think about atromitos match?
Which one friend? The one coming up for them vs Apollon or the one on the weekend where they played Olympiacos and lost 1-2?
the coming up match... the odd is good for them to win. but I don't know very well greek football!
Atromitos will be massive favourites unless the match is sold...
If the match is played honestly, Atromitos will win. Atromitos are one of the best teams in Greece this season, Apollon the worst. Atromitos also have the best coach in the league and the lead goal scorer in Greece (Koulouris on 9 goals).
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:11
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Thank you for your reply. :bow2:
You explain it very well O0. I understand the Tsipras point (and I know that famous picture of Tsipras rioting). Here, in Portugal, we had a party similar to Syriza (and supports Syriza, of course), called Bloco de Esquerda (Left Bloc), which is a amalgam of Trotskyist parties that were melted around 1999. Curiously, we had an old Communist Party, a relic, (called PCP: Portuguese Communist Party) that still had some power in the Portuguese democracy. It links on that you called isolationist communists. Kind of Soviet Stalinist and patriotical too. One of the their slogans are: one patriotical policy and of left (some like that).
That second point is very interesting. Your report suggests a highly fractured society and a Greece surrounded by enemies. Turks in the East, Balkanians in the North or West. And that Anatolian narrative fits well with the history of Greece. People ignored that in the ancient times, until 1453, at least, all the so called Asia Minor were Greek.
The third point, for me, is very curious. The conversion of the East to Cristianism is paradoxical. The proto-Christianity had some strong spots (Damascus, Antioch, Corinth, etc), and without the Greek koiné, in my point of view, there will no be Christianity as we know; but, in the other hand, even after the famous edict of Milan by Constantine and Licinius, wee see a strong resistance (I remember Alexandria (the case of Hipatia); or even the closure of the School of Athens by Justinian. Or, as you said, Gemistus Pletho, but that is far away the period that I am talking. I don't know that some people rejects the Byzantine heritage, I had always think, and especially for the Justinian period and later, that the Greeks were proud of their Byzantine heritage. But well, I am glad that some of you are returning to the Olympians.
The fourth point is a classic of emperorship command. Here, in the Iberian Peninsula, we had a similar approach when Tariq defeated the Visigoths. Most of the Visigothic upper classes converted to Islam instead of paying taxes. And we had a special group called Moçárabes, (Mozarabs) that were people that continuing to follow the Roman Catholic rite, but adopted Arabic costumes and speak Arabic too. And for long years, before the Crusades, we lived peacefully with the Arabs, and even had some autonomy - like the region your heritage lived.
You said that "Greeks have never been loved by most Europeans." For now, I agree, but in the XIX century and XX century, perhaps no. Especially in the XIX century, because of the Philhellenism, you had many admirers (I remember that even Lord Byron joined you in independence war). But you are right as some of the intellectuals despise you. It was a king of love/hate relationship. Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer was a fraud, as you well know. In the other hand, people who loved History (and unfortunately nowadays are few) connect you with the ancient Greeks. I remember a Portuguese politician who died recently, by the time of the peak of the crisis of your bailout, that said that Greece must be saved because it was there that Democracy was born.
The penultimate point: well that resumes the whole thing. A highly divided society. I had almost forgot the Junta, but your 20 th Century was highly dramatic. The Second World War and immediately the Civil War. Problems with Cyprus, etc. I think that one of your problems are that you are always on the maximum or the minimum. From total oppression to total anarchy. That story that the Police had no powers at all is almost surrealistic - and I am not a great fan of military forces. But as for the EU (I am pro-European but I defend the complete autonomy of the members and no interference of the European Commission in the internal affairs), there was no improvement after the admission in the EU? Here in Portugal it was almost the night for the day. We had a corporatist authoritarian regime (similar to Mussolini's fascism) for more than 40 years, and after the establishment of the democracy in 1974 and admission of Portugal in the EU in 1986, we had a deep improvement of our life conditions.
Your final statement is very true. The Greeks survived everything and everyone. Why not now? I believe that will be some reaction. Modern Greece is a country relatively recent country and like you there will be some persons that love Hellas and that are not happy with the recent developments... One final question: and about Macedonia? I heard that Tsipras had made a deal with the Macedonians because of the question of the North of Macedonia? But I heard that are some opposition in Greece to that deal (and that proofs that not all Greeks are "sleeping").
Yes Greece still has the equivalent to the Portuguese PCP. It is the KKE, literally, the Communist Party of Greece. They model themselves on a type of Stalinist isolationism. They used to have summer festivals that would include seminars discussing why the Soviet Union collapsed and how they would do things differently to ensure their own revolution doesn't fail.. :crazy2: Interestingly, the KKE which still polls around 3% refused to go into coalition with Syriza claiming Syriza were too far left!!
As to your second point, you are correct. Sadly the Greeks allowed the world to use the word Byzantium - a descriptive term coined by a German long after the fall of the Empire. The Greeks themselves called the Byzantium Empire - Romania - a term that the Italians disliked being associated with Greeks - to this day.. ;D The latin world and especially Iberians, French etc called the Byzantine Empire - 'The Empire of the Greeks' - I remember that was the term Tirant Lo Blanc used.
To your third point. You are correct. Most Greeks are proud of Byzantine heritage. Me not so much because I did not like the idea of a backward desert religion (abrahamic religions of the Chrismusjews) dominating the Hellenes - whose love of knowledge was unsurpassed. AEK, PAOK - many religious Greeks - they respect Byzantium. Me.. meh..
To your 4th point. The Mozarabs had their mirror in Greece. However many Greeks went full retard and actually became muslims. They correctly were not forgiven by the Greeks and removed from Greek controlled lands when Greece was liberated. A good example of this was the Cretan muslim Greeks. The minute Crete became free, these muslims - although Greek speaking and even Greek genetically - were booted out of Crete - and of whom many ended up as far as Libya and Syria - and to this day - they still speak Greek and to this day the Greeks still see them as traitors. Greeks never forget a traitor.. After WW2, every Greek woman who had slept with a nazi officer - most often simply for food - was hung in her respective town square after Greece was liberated. Greeks never forget someone who defects.
To your fith point. The major reason most europeans do not connect greeks with ancient Greeks is Fallmerayer. In fact mainstream German newspapers still quote him to dehumanise Greeks:
http://en.protothema.gr/die-welts-provocative-racist-article/
Hungarians, Albanians, Fyromians still quote his nonsense concerning Greece daily. Now remember, Fallmerayer was a contemporary to Lord Byron... so even at the height of philhelenism, there was still powerful voices seeking to pretend Greeks were simply turkish/ slavic Christians who learnt the Greek language by accident and were masquerading as something else. Byron could see immediately the ancient in the Greeks - good and bad and DNA testing has now shattered Fallmerayer's Greek extinction theory. But it is too late. The voices of 80 million Turks, Germans, Albanians, Skopians, Hungarians, Greek communists etc shout louder than 5 million patriotic Greeks - many of whom have not even read the classics or care to. Greek politicians also like Portuguese culture at times. Famously former Greek PM Andreas Papandreou used to lock himself in his office with fado music blasting.. ;D
To your penultimate point. In this respect Greece has a little bit of a diffetent story to Portugal. Greece boomed in the 60s and 70s. Especially under the Junta. In fact tge only country that grew faster than Greece in those years was Japan..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_economic_miracle
After the Junta collapsed, the unions took over and Greek industry died completely soon after. PASOK created 100,000s of govt funded jobs per year... the country was finished. The leftist parties were so popular, the Greek conservative party - ND - shifted left and in any other nation on earth except Greece, ND would be considered centre left rather than conservative. Now the EU was the final nail in the coffin. Suddenly Greeks could borrow for nothing and the minute the Euro was introduced, prices shot up as wages stayed the same. It was a disaster. As for EU projects.. remember the joke?
A Greek mayor of a small Greek village visits a Spanish mayor of a small Spanish town. Once there, the Spaniard takes the Greek out to a good restaurant. After that they return to the Spaniard's villa. The Greek can't believe how well the Spaniard lives. 'How did you do this on your mayor salary?' the Greek asks.. The Spaniard points to the horizon.. 'See that bridge? It was supposed to have 4 lanes.' The Greek looks. 'My goodness!' - he says. 'I only see two lanes!' The Spaniard smiles.. 'Exactly..' he says..
Years later the Spanish mayor visits the Greek one. The Spaniard is surprised at how small the Greek village is. However what is more surprising is the Greek's villa! Gold taps.. marble floors, two swimming pools.. it is like Saddam's palace in there! 'How an earth did you afford this,' the Spaniard screams! The Greek says, 'you see that bridge over there on the horizon?' The Spaniard squints and says ' err..I see nothing..' The Greek replies - 'Exactly..'
To your final point. Tsipras - like all Greek communists is decended from communists. His relatives would have fought on the side of the communists during the Greek civil war. To get more troops, the Greek communists frighteningly promised slavs in Skopia and Bulgaria - land in Greece if they won - because Greece would no longer have borders with fellow communist states and be a defacto Soviet state - with all peoples allowed to live in Greece. However the communists lost, but Greek communists have ever since always had a soft spot for Skopians and Bulgars - who they would have shared the spoils of Greece with had they won the war. Tsipras by allowing Skopians to call themselves Macedonians is simply rewarding his old communist slavic allies. That is why his first action as PM was to visit the graves of Greek communists who died in the civil war. Tsipras is still there - in the 1940s mentally. He literally calls anyone who does not agree with him a 'fascist.' As for this absurd deal.... 70% of Greeks are against it:
http://www.ekathimerini.com/229746/article/ekathimerini/news/seven-in-10-greeks-opposed-to-north-macedonia-poll-shows
Tsipras called those who oppose the deal 'fascists'... yes - he actually said that.. so 70% of Greeks are suddenly fascists according to the Greek communist PM.. :coolsmiley:
That accusation did not sit will characters like this talented man who is as left wing as they come:
https://greece.greekreporter.com/2018/06/26/greek-composer-mikis-theodorakis-calls-macedonia-deal-national-humiliation/
So are Greeks sleeping on the issue? Yes. 70% don't want it.. yes they protested in Athens and Salonika.. but so? Tsipras invented the protest - that does not scare him.. The only thing that will scare him is if someone physically removes him from power..
As you stated, Greece is one of those rare nations that is completely surrounded by enemies. Even North Korea has often had a friend in China. Greece.. its nearest ally? Armenia.. Bulgars think the Macedonian region of Greece used to be theirs.. :crazy2: Skopians think the same.. :crazy2: Albanians think every Greek is really a Crypto Albanian who was forced to be greek :huh: or sold-out to become Greek.. :estrelas: All of them are breast fed Fallmerayer from birth.. Hungarians believe all the above as does the mainstream modern German and UK press. Italians are still angry at Greeks calling the Byzantium Empire the 'Second Rome.' :rir: They also tried to conquer Greece under Mussolini to create a 'New Rome' and southern Italy went from a region that spoke Greek as a ligua franca from 600 BC to the 1500s AD - to a region where only 20,000 still speak Greek today thanks to years of anti Greek propaganda.. Under Mussolini for example there were posters across Southern Italy saying: 'Don't speak the language of the donkey' (the language of the donkey referring to Greek of course..). Turkey still believes Greece should belong to them and flies its armed jets over Greek territory every day to intimidate and bully Greece.... Greece is basically this island:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTbpq3p5-uST8zxiguPa9HpOPoPqZrh2n8DHVZ4OJWd9vyxUcqFjw)
And you know what? I am fine with that. What I don't forgive is Greeks who back the other side... Northern Greek 'academics' who clearly have slavic ancestry.. saying that Greeks as a people have no connection to ancient Greece.. These are the dangerous ones. These are the ones I will never forgive.
It seems that the summer festivals are attribute of the Stalinist communist parties ;D. In Portugal, the PCP hold a summer festival called
Festa do Avante (Avante! Festival). But they had much more power than KKE. They controlled most of the syndicates (especially the State employees) and some municipalities around Lisbon and in the middle-south of Portugal. And still had around 10 % or more in the elections. Now they support -since 2015- (with the Trotskyists) the PS (Socialist Party), a social-democrat party similar to the PASOK. It was as unprecedented in the Portuguese political scene, but people were tired of the center-right coalition (PSD/CDS-PP) (by the time of the bailout). You can read all the process here: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_legislative_election,_2015#Government_formation). Of course the PCP doesn't like the Left Bloc, but they set aside differences to form the coalition. (It seems that the KKE had more firmness than the PCP.) Still, the PCP is a great reference of nationalism in Portugal (weird no?). They support Portuguese traditional customs and even are in favour of the compulsory military service. In fact, the center-right parties, in the times of the bailout, cut some important national holidays (like the Implementation of the Republic and the Restoration of the Independence (it is today. 1st December) and it was that coalition that restore and celebrate it...
It is true. We are too much influenced by the German scholarship (too much nomenclature and concepts that we used today are XIX German conceptions, as you rightly noted) and Anglo-Saxon, btw. In some books still reads as "The Roman Empire of the East", but the term "Byzantine" is 99.9 % used, even by scholars. But yes, until the fall of Constantinople, the western chronicles used "Empire of the Greeks" to describe.
You are at the right team O0. My club in Greece is, of course, Olympiacos, and I always liked your badge. The rise of Christianity had always intrigue me. Without the greek
koiné there will no be Christians . And even Neoplatonism had some influence in the dogma of Christianity. But then, when the Christians came to power, they shut all the religious tolerance of the Ancient World.
It is a surprise for me that Fallmerayer's farce had still that force. A farce that was used even by the Nazis. And you are saying that the Greek communists support the theories of that guy?! Completely nonsense - not of you but of those people. And who do not read the classics? The patriotic Greeks? It seems that Greece is completely surrounded by enemies (internal and external)... Well, Fado is a great symbol of Portugal for the foreigners(not for me, particularly), but that word "Fado" that comes from the latin
fatum is orignaly greek: the
moirai. Sometimes I think that Portuguese and Greek had some characteristics in common: here the fado, not the music, but the concept, aligned us on a kind of resignation. We resign himself s to the Parcas. The sad fado....like "we must resign ourselves to be a poor country". Are you like that too?
You benefited the Plan Marshall right? Portugal almost rejected (in fact, we don't deserve it too). So, your best period of economical growth was under the Second Republican Government and the Junta? What went wrong then? The world crisis of the late 70s?
Ahaha. That joke is too real...and for Portugal too (well, for most Mediterranean countries...) We've received tons of funds by the late 80s. Farmers would destroy farm land to plant eucalyptus, buy villas and Jeeps. Corruption is a great problem here, but it is even worse in Greece.
Thank you for the explanation about the question of Macedonia. In resume, 70 % of the Greeks are against, even left-wing personalities, and Tsipras still is secure in power? Well...
Armenia is your nearest ally? What about Russia? I remember seeing Tsipras with the Russians when he was blackmailing the EU... Bulgaria didn't invade Greece in the WWI?
The Italians are not angry with Russia by themselves calling the "third Rome"? :whistle2:
The invasion of Mussolini is one of the ironies of the history. Hitler was planning with Franco (in spite of some disagreements), the invasion of Portugal, Gilbratar and the Azores islands (that belongs to Portugal),- Operation Felix- but Mussolini's dreams of resurgence of the Roman Empire had conducted the war for the East. Well, I still think that war in the Balkans and Greece was inevitable because of Hitler's wishes about Russia, yet it leads for a destructive war for the Greeks. What the Italians had done in Southern Italy was totally a shame. Even under the Roman Empire the emperors respect Greek culture and even adopt their clothes when they are in the Magna Graecia, and I see that tolerance had go beyond the centuries to finish with the completely shameful Mussolini's propaganda.
Greece had to resolve his internal powers. When you had enemy inside it is still more difficult to gain respect from the other countries.
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 01 de Dezembro de 2018, 18:45
It seems that the summer festivals are attribute of the Stalinist communist parties ;D. In Portugal, the PCP hold a summer festival called Festa do Avante (Avante! Festival). But they had much more power than KKE. They controlled most of the syndicates (especially the State employees) and some municipalities around Lisbon and in the middle-south of Portugal. And still had around 10 % or more in the elections. Now they support -since 2015- (with the Trotskyists) the PS (Socialist Party), a social-democrat party similar to the PASOK. It was as unprecedented in the Portuguese political scene, but people were tired of the center-right coalition (PSD/CDS-PP) (by the time of the bailout). You can read all the process here: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_legislative_election,_2015#Government_formation). Of course the PCP doesn't like the Left Bloc, but they set aside differences to form the coalition. (It seems that the KKE had more firmness than the PCP.) Still, the PCP is a great reference of nationalism in Portugal (weird no?). They support Portuguese traditional customs and even are in favour of the compulsory military service. In fact, the center-right parties, in the times of the bailout, cut some important national holidays (like the Implementation of the Republic and the Restoration of the Independence (it is today. 1st December) and it was that coalition that restore and celebrate it...
It is true. We are too much influenced by the German scholarship (too much nomenclature and concepts that we used today are XIX German conceptions, as you rightly noted) and Anglo-Saxon, btw. In some books still reads as "The Roman Empire of the East", but the term "Byzantine" is 99.9 % used, even by scholars. But yes, until the fall of Constantinople, the western chronicles used "Empire of the Greeks" to describe.
You are at the right team O0. My club in Greece is, of course, Olympiacos, and I always liked your badge. The rise of Christianity had always intrigue me. Without the greek koiné there will no be Christians . And even Neoplatonism had some influence in the dogma of Christianity. But then, when the Christians came to power, they shut all the religious tolerance of the Ancient World.
It is a surprise for me that Fallmerayer's farce had still that force. A farce that was used even by the Nazis. And you are saying that the Greek communists support the theories of that guy?! Completely nonsense - not of you but of those people. And who do not read the classics? The patriotic Greeks? It seems that Greece is completely surrounded by enemies (internal and external)... Well, Fado is a great symbol of Portugal for the foreigners(not for me, particularly), but that word "Fado" that comes from the latin fatum is orignaly greek: the moirai. Sometimes I think that Portuguese and Greek had some characteristics in common: here the fado, not the music, but the concept, aligned us on a kind of resignation. We resign himself s to the Parcas. The sad fado....like "we must resign ourselves to be a poor country". Are you like that too?
You benefited the Plan Marshall right? Portugal almost rejected (in fact, we don't deserve it too). So, your best period of economical growth was under the Second Republican Government and the Junta? What went wrong then? The world crisis of the late 70s?
Ahaha. That joke is too real...and for Portugal too (well, for most Mediterranean countries...) We've received tons of funds by the late 80s. Farmers would destroy farm land to plant eucalyptus, buy villas and Jeeps. Corruption is a great problem here, but it is even worse in Greece.
Thank you for the explanation about the question of Macedonia. In resume, 70 % of the Greeks are against, even left-wing personalities, and Tsipras still is secure in power? Well...
Armenia is your nearest ally? What about Russia? I remember seeing Tsipras with the Russians when he was blackmailing the EU... Bulgaria didn't invade Greece in the WWI?
The Italians are not angry with Russia by themselves calling the "third Rome"? :whistle2:
The invasion of Mussolini is one of the ironies of the history. Hitler was planning with Franco (in spite of some disagreements), the invasion of Portugal, Gilbratar and the Azores islands (that belongs to Portugal),- Operation Felix- but Mussolini's dreams of resurgence of the Roman Empire had conducted the war for the East. Well, I still think that war in the Balkans and Greece was inevitable because of Hitler's wishes about Russia, yet it leads for a destructive war for the Greeks. What the Italians had done in Southern Italy was totally a shame. Even under the Roman Empire the emperors respect Greek culture and even adopt their clothes when they are in the Magna Graecia, and I see that tolerance had go beyond the centuries to finish with the completely shameful Mussolini's propaganda.
Greece had to resolve his internal powers. When you had enemy inside it is still more difficult to gain respect from the other countries.
Yes indeed, i think the KKE still has these summer festivals actually. I know the Italians also have theirs last time I was there.. The Portuguese politics you describe sounds a bit more Iberian.. a bit more 3 dimensional than the partisan and myopic Greek politics.
I am gald you support Olympiacos in Greece. In my experience we have the best fans and also the most 'Greek.' Piraeus itself is in a sense the heart of Greekness. Flashy and very wealthy, working class sections, ordered but ruined by over development in parts. Huge capacity, very busy, huge potential but still.. as the sun sets there in the summer.. the true soul of urban Greece is there with you too.. It was my Greek grandfather's favourite place in Greece - how could I not support the team from there?
As for the religious angle and Christianity. I spose what I tried to get across but didn't was that in Greece - there is a semi prevailing view among the old - that used to be far more repeated - that Greece came out of paganism to be civilised by the teachings of Christ.. :crazy2: The church still teaches that under paganism, Greeks were like animals. This is what I can't stand. The reality is that when the Greeks were forced to abandon paganism - specifically the Olympian religion that championed education, arts, sciences - all these essential assets to the Greek soul suffered a dramatic and catastrophic abandonment. The other reason I get a little perplexed is that along with the bizarro
Christianity civilised Greeks argument the Greek Orthodox Church spout ad infinitum.. there is another myth they circulate - one that has been in circulation in the Hellenic peninsular since the early evangelical Christians started terra-forming Hellas. The myth that Christianity took over the Greek world due to its message.. in fact very few Greeks converted to Christianity because of a Christian message. They converted because worshipping the 12 Gods became illegal - with the death penalty in force for those who refused to abate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_persecution_of_paganism_under_Theodosius_I
Even worse - the brutal destruction and cynical levelling of quintessential cultural centres like Delphi to extinguish the pagan religion further damaged the Hellenes in my opinion. Whatever the Olympian religion was - what it is now - its influences on others - others who have influenced it - its meaning to the arts and sciences - all this is almost incalculable. But what is certain - is that this religion was intertwined with logic, the arts, music, history, the sciences - and most importantly - Hellenism. All the Minoans, Mycenaean, pre Greek tribes - all their stories, cultures and beliefs added to that religion. The Eastern influences provided some backdrops - even North Africa got in on the act (Antaeus).. but the religion of the Greeks - the Olympian religion - was forcibly removed from the Greeks. No Greeks heard newly baptised evangelical Israeli hebrews in their market squares across Greece and thought.. 'mm - this jewish Jesus who lives like Diogenes, talks of one all powerful male God like Plato.. and his disciples who all copied the lifestyles and even names of 5th Century Greek sophists.. these are the people I will believe over our own Zeus and Athena..'
Anyways, I ramble.. pleasantly at least as each day goes by more Greeks remember and engage with the ancient religion.
As for Fallmerayer's insidious teachings - that the Nazis so adored as you correctly pointed out.. his voice will never be silenced in the West. Greece will always have enemies in the West and enemies in the East. Any stick to beat Greeks with will never be forgotten and the Greeks themselves will always still unhelpfully talk about how the crusaders ruthlessly sacked Constantinople during the 4th Crusade - a city and empire that never recovered from this incident. The trust is gone and the liberal Western European who virtue signal how progressive they are by transforming themselves into Turkophiles adds further distance between Greeks and Latins. What will always draw both Asians and Westerners to Greece is Greece itself and its remarkable beauty, food and culture. Those who dislike Greece the most are usually those who have seldom if ever visited. The place has a hypnotic beauty that is hard to resist to anyone who has any type of cultured soul.
The concepts of music transcending its own surface nature in both Portugal and Greece are one of the many commonalities between the two nations. Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal share a massive amount. Sometimes I think all 4 forget how much they share - how much commonality there is once you dip past the languages. Concerning the 'we must resign ourselves to being a poor country.' Greece does not have this - it has something worse. It has 'we must resign ourselves to accepting Greece will never be civilised.' Whenever some shit goes down in Greece - it is rare to get a reaction like 'How the fuck could this even happen??' The reaction from 99% of Greeks will be a rhetorical.. 'pwpwpwpw... Hellas... Ti tha kanoume?' ('What can we do?') - as they say that they will roll their right hand as shown here:
https://youtu.be/TCMWIuQi_Io?t=20
It is amazing, everyone will do that.. Doesn't matter how insane the event is..
As for our economic miracle in the 60s and 70s. The reason was deregulation. Greeks opened up to world trade. Coca Cola opened a plant in Greece, so did many foreign beer companies. Greeks produced everything - from clothes to tobacco, to washing machines to chemicals. Businesses flooded into Greece. You could build whatever shit you wanted in Athens - it became a wealthy concrete jungle. Money was everywhere. When PASOK came back into power after the fall of the Junta.. all businesses - including the port of Piraeus and the powerful ship building yards in Elefsina all became heavily unionised. Strikes returned as did leftist terrorism. Greece became a country where nearly everyone worked for the Government controlled utilities.. Gas, electric, water, telecommunications, TV - everything was state owned and the unions and government ran each one into the ground. Greece did benefit from the Marshall plan but very little. The farmers got nearly all of it - nothing was spent on industry.
As for Tsipras, he bluffs and loses each time. He bluffed that he would leave the EU. His bluff was called as everyone knows he is exceptionally pro european. He bluffed there would be no deal on debts and called an election to add to that bluff. He then signed an even worse debt plan the following week shocking every Greek alive who voted to end austerity.. He bluffed that he was pro Russian - he is not. He has been throwing out russian diplomats from Greece all year because Russia - like most Greeks doesn't want this deal with Skopia. Russia doesn't want it because it hates the idea of another Balkan NATO nation and Greeks hate it because it steals and revises Greek history. Greeks like Russia and Serbia. Sadly - the average IQ of Greek politicians is around the 70-90 mark. Greeks do not know how to play real politik - so constantly ignore opportunities. Both Israel and Russia could have been used to stop Turkish incursions and expansions in the Aegean - neither card has been played by the vacant minded Greek politicians. Tsipras would refuse anyway to play those cards because he openly dislikes the idea of borders, loves Palestine and doesn't like the idea of Greece so much anyway - so Turks violating Greek borders and encroaching on and questioning Greek territory is hardly going to keep him up at night.
As for reading the classics. As a boy I was in Viotias one hot summer and I had brought my copy of Thucydides' 'Peloponnesian War.' Some kid saw I had it and said in English - 'hold on - you are reading this for pleasure?? Why would you do that? We are forced to read this in school, in ancient Greek and we go crazy that we have to..' I just replied - 'it is your history - you should cherish it.' Greeks often boast in Athens how little they care about the ancient past.. it is all about women, food and money. Pleasure seekers.. There are some Greeks like me.. when I meet them.. I am instantly their friend forever. The South has more like me. Peloponnese.
Greece is a dying culture. You are correct about internal and external enemies. Greece simply ran out of good leaders the way Ancient Athens famously did. The saying 'Greeks eat their own children' has some metaphorical base. There is an internal sabotage always alive in Greece that you dont automatically get in other nations. However, that's life.. what can I do? I wasted years trying to help Greece rise again. I realised around 10 years ago - there is no point fighting Greece's enemies - when a significant portion of the Greek population doesn't want Greece to exist anyway. So if ever I get involved in anything political - I instantly remind Greeks that those northern commie academics who state modern greece is a fabrication - while holding their Greek passports aloft are the biggest threat to the future of the country. The fact there is no basic law and order in greece is just a symptom of a broken leftist society struggling to find an identity that includes non Greeks.. As an old Italian once told me.. 'Rome fell when the emperors cared more about those living outside the city walls and those within..'
Damn, some huge posts here...
How do you feel about Israel and the Israel/Palestine conflict, Faliro? Also, what about the history of Jews in Greece? What's it like?
Citação de: Festivus em 02 de Dezembro de 2018, 02:46
Damn, some huge posts here...
How do you feel about Israel and the Israel/Palestine conflict, Faliro? Also, what about the history of Jews in Greece? What's it like?
Hard to really have a side in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict imo as a European. I think the Israelis have made mistakes and perhaps even exacerbated the situation. Palestinians on the other often seem not to have the intellectual capacity to change anything themselves.
Always been a few Jews in Greece since antiquity. Sadly many of the stories in the Jewish Torah are not that old as one would think - many of which were formulated around 500BC..
The story of the Greek Jews at their height is one of Salonika. Inundated with Iberian refuge Jews from Isabella's expulsions - these Sephardi Jews made up nearly half the population of Salonika and had a massive influence up there in that city. Sadly when the Nazis entered Greece most of the them were wiped out.
What is curious is the Jews of Greece never dominated certain industries the way they did in other parts of Europe and East. For example - most jewellers in Greece have always been greek.. It seems the Jews lived a fairly peaceful existence in Greece until the arrival of the barbaric Nazis. Greeks in general are fairly ambivalent to the Jewish story simply because the Greeks themselves are a merchant people and a very old people themselves.
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Dezembro de 2018, 23:42
Citação de: Festivus em 02 de Dezembro de 2018, 02:46
Damn, some huge posts here...
How do you feel about Israel and the Israel/Palestine conflict, Faliro? Also, what about the history of Jews in Greece? What's it like?
Hard to really have a side in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict imo as a European. I think the Israelis have made mistakes and perhaps even exacerbated the situation. Palestinians on the other often seem not to have the intellectual capacity to change anything themselves.
Always been a few Jews in Greece since antiquity. Sadly many of the stories in the Jewish Torah are not that old as one would think - many of which were formulated around 500BC..
The story of the Greek Jews at their height is one of Salonika. Inundated with Iberian refuge Jews from Isabella's expulsions - these Sephardi Jews made up nearly half the population of Salonika and had a massive influence up there in that city. Sadly when the Nazis entered Greece most of the them were wiped out.
What is curious is the Jews of Greece never dominated certain industries the way they did in other parts of Europe and East. For example - most jewellers in Greece have always been greek.. It seems the Jews lived a fairly peaceful existence in Greece until the arrival of the barbaric Nazis. Greeks in general are fairly ambivalent to the Jewish story simply because the Greeks themselves are a merchant people and a very old people themselves.
Portugal has one of the lowest Jewish populations in Europe. The ones we had here were expelled, killed or forced to convert to Christianity in the 16th century due to pogroms and the Inquisition. Holland took a lot of Portuguese Jews that were expelled from here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon_massacre
Since we were not in WW2, naturally we didn't take any part in the heinous act that was the Holocaust. One of our consuls at the time helped a lot of Jews: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristides_de_Sousa_Mendes
Nowadays there's barely any Jewish people in Portugal. The few who exist don't have any political power or any major role in our economy. I think even Hitler said at one point that he liked countries like Portugal, Spain and Ireland due to their lack of Jewish influence. That would also explain why he never messed with these countries either.
Anti-semitism is not really a thing here. There's so few Jewish people in Portugal and they don't play a significant role in our society or economy so there's not much room for the population to develop an aversion to them.
As for Israel... well communists and left bloc voters generally are pro Palestine and consider Zionists to be modern day Nazis. The rest of the country doesn't care much, I guess. Some are pro Israel, but aren't as vocal as the pro Palestine crowd.
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Dezembro de 2018, 22:27
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 01 de Dezembro de 2018, 18:45
It seems that the summer festivals are attribute of the Stalinist communist parties ;D. In Portugal, the PCP hold a summer festival called Festa do Avante (Avante! Festival). But they had much more power than KKE. They controlled most of the syndicates (especially the State employees) and some municipalities around Lisbon and in the middle-south of Portugal. And still had around 10 % or more in the elections. Now they support -since 2015- (with the Trotskyists) the PS (Socialist Party), a social-democrat party similar to the PASOK. It was as unprecedented in the Portuguese political scene, but people were tired of the center-right coalition (PSD/CDS-PP) (by the time of the bailout). You can read all the process here: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_legislative_election,_2015#Government_formation). Of course the PCP doesn't like the Left Bloc, but they set aside differences to form the coalition. (It seems that the KKE had more firmness than the PCP.) Still, the PCP is a great reference of nationalism in Portugal (weird no?). They support Portuguese traditional customs and even are in favour of the compulsory military service. In fact, the center-right parties, in the times of the bailout, cut some important national holidays (like the Implementation of the Republic and the Restoration of the Independence (it is today. 1st December) and it was that coalition that restore and celebrate it...
It is true. We are too much influenced by the German scholarship (too much nomenclature and concepts that we used today are XIX German conceptions, as you rightly noted) and Anglo-Saxon, btw. In some books still reads as "The Roman Empire of the East", but the term "Byzantine" is 99.9 % used, even by scholars. But yes, until the fall of Constantinople, the western chronicles used "Empire of the Greeks" to describe.
You are at the right team O0. My club in Greece is, of course, Olympiacos, and I always liked your badge. The rise of Christianity had always intrigue me. Without the greek koiné there will no be Christians . And even Neoplatonism had some influence in the dogma of Christianity. But then, when the Christians came to power, they shut all the religious tolerance of the Ancient World.
It is a surprise for me that Fallmerayer's farce had still that force. A farce that was used even by the Nazis. And you are saying that the Greek communists support the theories of that guy?! Completely nonsense - not of you but of those people. And who do not read the classics? The patriotic Greeks? It seems that Greece is completely surrounded by enemies (internal and external)... Well, Fado is a great symbol of Portugal for the foreigners(not for me, particularly), but that word "Fado" that comes from the latin fatum is orignaly greek: the moirai. Sometimes I think that Portuguese and Greek had some characteristics in common: here the fado, not the music, but the concept, aligned us on a kind of resignation. We resign himself s to the Parcas. The sad fado....like "we must resign ourselves to be a poor country". Are you like that too?
You benefited the Plan Marshall right? Portugal almost rejected (in fact, we don't deserve it too). So, your best period of economical growth was under the Second Republican Government and the Junta? What went wrong then? The world crisis of the late 70s?
Ahaha. That joke is too real...and for Portugal too (well, for most Mediterranean countries...) We've received tons of funds by the late 80s. Farmers would destroy farm land to plant eucalyptus, buy villas and Jeeps. Corruption is a great problem here, but it is even worse in Greece.
Thank you for the explanation about the question of Macedonia. In resume, 70 % of the Greeks are against, even left-wing personalities, and Tsipras still is secure in power? Well...
Armenia is your nearest ally? What about Russia? I remember seeing Tsipras with the Russians when he was blackmailing the EU... Bulgaria didn't invade Greece in the WWI?
The Italians are not angry with Russia by themselves calling the "third Rome"? :whistle2:
The invasion of Mussolini is one of the ironies of the history. Hitler was planning with Franco (in spite of some disagreements), the invasion of Portugal, Gilbratar and the Azores islands (that belongs to Portugal),- Operation Felix- but Mussolini's dreams of resurgence of the Roman Empire had conducted the war for the East. Well, I still think that war in the Balkans and Greece was inevitable because of Hitler's wishes about Russia, yet it leads for a destructive war for the Greeks. What the Italians had done in Southern Italy was totally a shame. Even under the Roman Empire the emperors respect Greek culture and even adopt their clothes when they are in the Magna Graecia, and I see that tolerance had go beyond the centuries to finish with the completely shameful Mussolini's propaganda.
Greece had to resolve his internal powers. When you had enemy inside it is still more difficult to gain respect from the other countries.
Yes indeed, i think the KKE still has these summer festivals actually. I know the Italians also have theirs last time I was there.. The Portuguese politics you describe sounds a bit more Iberian.. a bit more 3 dimensional than the partisan and myopic Greek politics.
I am gald you support Olympiacos in Greece. In my experience we have the best fans and also the most 'Greek.' Piraeus itself is in a sense the heart of Greekness. Flashy and very wealthy, working class sections, ordered but ruined by over development in parts. Huge capacity, very busy, huge potential but still.. as the sun sets there in the summer.. the true soul of urban Greece is there with you too.. It was my Greek grandfather's favourite place in Greece - how could I not support the team from there?
As for the religious angle and Christianity. I spose what I tried to get across but didn't was that in Greece - there is a semi prevailing view among the old - that used to be far more repeated - that Greece came out of paganism to be civilised by the teachings of Christ.. :crazy2: The church still teaches that under paganism, Greeks were like animals. This is what I can't stand. The reality is that when the Greeks were forced to abandon paganism - specifically the Olympian religion that championed education, arts, sciences - all these essential assets to the Greek soul suffered a dramatic and catastrophic abandonment. The other reason I get a little perplexed is that along with the bizarro Christianity civilised Greeks argument the Greek Orthodox Church spout ad infinitum.. there is another myth they circulate - one that has been in circulation in the Hellenic peninsular since the early evangelical Christians started terra-forming Hellas. The myth that Christianity took over the Greek world due to its message.. in fact very few Greeks converted to Christianity because of a Christian message. They converted because worshipping the 12 Gods became illegal - with the death penalty in force for those who refused to abate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_persecution_of_paganism_under_Theodosius_I
Even worse - the brutal destruction and cynical levelling of quintessential cultural centres like Delphi to extinguish the pagan religion further damaged the Hellenes in my opinion. Whatever the Olympian religion was - what it is now - its influences on others - others who have influenced it - its meaning to the arts and sciences - all this is almost incalculable. But what is certain - is that this religion was intertwined with logic, the arts, music, history, the sciences - and most importantly - Hellenism. All the Minoans, Mycenaean, pre Greek tribes - all their stories, cultures and beliefs added to that religion. The Eastern influences provided some backdrops - even North Africa got in on the act (Antaeus).. but the religion of the Greeks - the Olympian religion - was forcibly removed from the Greeks. No Greeks heard newly baptised evangelical Israeli hebrews in their market squares across Greece and thought.. 'mm - this jewish Jesus who lives like Diogenes, talks of one all powerful male God like Plato.. and his disciples who all copied the lifestyles and even names of 5th Century Greek sophists.. these are the people I will believe over our own Zeus and Athena..'
Anyways, I ramble.. pleasantly at least as each day goes by more Greeks remember and engage with the ancient religion.
As for Fallmerayer's insidious teachings - that the Nazis so adored as you correctly pointed out.. his voice will never be silenced in the West. Greece will always have enemies in the West and enemies in the East. Any stick to beat Greeks with will never be forgotten and the Greeks themselves will always still unhelpfully talk about how the crusaders ruthlessly sacked Constantinople during the 4th Crusade - a city and empire that never recovered from this incident. The trust is gone and the liberal Western European who virtue signal how progressive they are by transforming themselves into Turkophiles adds further distance between Greeks and Latins. What will always draw both Asians and Westerners to Greece is Greece itself and its remarkable beauty, food and culture. Those who dislike Greece the most are usually those who have seldom if ever visited. The place has a hypnotic beauty that is hard to resist to anyone who has any type of cultured soul.
The concepts of music transcending its own surface nature in both Portugal and Greece are one of the many commonalities between the two nations. Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal share a massive amount. Sometimes I think all 4 forget how much they share - how much commonality there is once you dip past the languages. Concerning the 'we must resign ourselves to being a poor country.' Greece does not have this - it has something worse. It has 'we must resign ourselves to accepting Greece will never be civilised.' Whenever some shit goes down in Greece - it is rare to get a reaction like 'How the fuck could this even happen??' The reaction from 99% of Greeks will be a rhetorical.. 'pwpwpwpw... Hellas... Ti tha kanoume?' ('What can we do?') - as they say that they will roll their right hand as shown here:
https://youtu.be/TCMWIuQi_Io?t=20
It is amazing, everyone will do that.. Doesn't matter how insane the event is..
As for our economic miracle in the 60s and 70s. The reason was deregulation. Greeks opened up to world trade. Coca Cola opened a plant in Greece, so did many foreign beer companies. Greeks produced everything - from clothes to tobacco, to washing machines to chemicals. Businesses flooded into Greece. You could build whatever shit you wanted in Athens - it became a wealthy concrete jungle. Money was everywhere. When PASOK came back into power after the fall of the Junta.. all businesses - including the port of Piraeus and the powerful ship building yards in Elefsina all became heavily unionised. Strikes returned as did leftist terrorism. Greece became a country where nearly everyone worked for the Government controlled utilities.. Gas, electric, water, telecommunications, TV - everything was state owned and the unions and government ran each one into the ground. Greece did benefit from the Marshall plan but very little. The farmers got nearly all of it - nothing was spent on industry.
As for Tsipras, he bluffs and loses each time. He bluffed that he would leave the EU. His bluff was called as everyone knows he is exceptionally pro european. He bluffed there would be no deal on debts and called an election to add to that bluff. He then signed an even worse debt plan the following week shocking every Greek alive who voted to end austerity.. He bluffed that he was pro Russian - he is not. He has been throwing out russian diplomats from Greece all year because Russia - like most Greeks doesn't want this deal with Skopia. Russia doesn't want it because it hates the idea of another Balkan NATO nation and Greeks hate it because it steals and revises Greek history. Greeks like Russia and Serbia. Sadly - the average IQ of Greek politicians is around the 70-90 mark. Greeks do not know how to play real politik - so constantly ignore opportunities. Both Israel and Russia could have been used to stop Turkish incursions and expansions in the Aegean - neither card has been played by the vacant minded Greek politicians. Tsipras would refuse anyway to play those cards because he openly dislikes the idea of borders, loves Palestine and doesn't like the idea of Greece so much anyway - so Turks violating Greek borders and encroaching on and questioning Greek territory is hardly going to keep him up at night.
As for reading the classics. As a boy I was in Viotias one hot summer and I had brought my copy of Thucydides' 'Peloponnesian War.' Some kid saw I had it and said in English - 'hold on - you are reading this for pleasure?? Why would you do that? We are forced to read this in school, in ancient Greek and we go crazy that we have to..' I just replied - 'it is your history - you should cherish it.' Greeks often boast in Athens how little they care about the ancient past.. it is all about women, food and money. Pleasure seekers.. There are some Greeks like me.. when I meet them.. I am instantly their friend forever. The South has more like me. Peloponnese.
Greece is a dying culture. You are correct about internal and external enemies. Greece simply ran out of good leaders the way Ancient Athens famously did. The saying 'Greeks eat their own children' has some metaphorical base. There is an internal sabotage always alive in Greece that you dont automatically get in other nations. However, that's life.. what can I do? I wasted years trying to help Greece rise again. I realised around 10 years ago - there is no point fighting Greece's enemies - when a significant portion of the Greek population doesn't want Greece to exist anyway. So if ever I get involved in anything political - I instantly remind Greeks that those northern commie academics who state modern greece is a fabrication - while holding their Greek passports aloft are the biggest threat to the future of the country. The fact there is no basic law and order in greece is just a symptom of a broken leftist society struggling to find an identity that includes non Greeks.. As an old Italian once told me.. 'Rome fell when the emperors cared more about those living outside the city walls and those within..'
Once again, thank you for your reply. O0
It is more like Portuguese politics than Iberian politics. The Spaniards are quite different. They have problems with autonomy of their regions (Catalonia and Basque Country, for example) and more partisan politics than Portugal. One example is that they had recently the opportunity recently to form a coalition somethat similar to ours and they didn't. You, in an anterior post, said that Greece was an island, in the metaphor (and almost real) sense. Well, we are an island too. Most of the current politic phenomena in Europe are completely alien to us ;D
I am glad that the Olympiacos essense is based on working class people. The junction of your grandiose past and the resisting present represents totally the true Hellenic spirit. :bow2:
Wow. The prevailing view is really that?! I think that every learned people in West (and I believe that in Greece too) thinks exactly the contrary. Your big achievements and legacy to the Western world came exactly in what you said. And that is a very good point. Apart from minor centres of Christianism, Greece was almost absent of Christians. And we all know the difficulties that Paul of Tarsus -described in the Acts of the Apostles- had in Athens. Christianity rise because of the your language but not because of you.
The 4th Crusade is one of the hideous acts in the history of humankind. Since I had heard that story, I had think that as a shame for the western world. I had read some Byzantine chronicles and the view of the westerns was not good. They called "us" barbarians (and with reason, btw). The "Turkophiles" was another face of the so called "orientalism"; and that same time that we had Byron, we had other fellows that worshipped Ottoman style of life, Chinese customs, etc. They ran deeply into the 20th Century, and with that huge and powerful community of Turks in Germany (and I do not forget the German support of the Ottomans in the WWI), the balance turns definitely to Turkey. And I do not even think what will be the consequences of the admission of Turkey in the EU. And yes, I do not understand too the distance between Latins and Greeks. It is more that unites us than apart us. Well, I had always liked Greece and I wish that one day will visit that beautiful land.
That is exactly our reaction too. When something bizarre happens in our country we used to say that Portugal is a "Banana republic" :crazy2: But I think that you are more catastrophist, indeed.
So, your economical problem was of state control? Well, one problem of that big companies is that they had no nation at all. With the open of the markets of the prior Soviet Bloc and China, all that big companies abandon our countries. Here in Portugal, in my view, liberalism is even worse than state control. All denationalized industries formed oligopolies (with no competition at all) and by now almost strategical industries are in the hands of the Chinese...
The question of Israel and Russia are very interesting. Curiously, the EU fear both. I am very spectikal about Israel and Russia, but I think that we Europeans gained much more having good relations with them instead of tantalizing. They had much faults but they share most of our culture. As for you, an alliance with Israel and Russia would put the Turks alert.
That is a beautiful testimony. I think that we all had that kind of problems. In nowadays Portugal, for example, few of us read Camõe's
Lusiads. And we ignore much of our past. But we don't have a huge problem of identity as you. I am kind of surprised by the absent of knowledge of your past. I had always think that you adore of your ancient legacy. But I am happy that you and others preserve the Greek past.
When you said that the "Greeks eat their own children", I am immediately think on the myth of Chronos. It all flows to the mythical times... I had that sentiment for Portugal too. The difference is that your problem is a problem of survival.
You know, Faliro, I've been reading your posts and your insight about Greece and its history since 2013 and I must say, it seems like, based on your description and insight, that Greece and Greeks as a whole barely know who they are as a nation or people anymore. All of those invasions didn't help your culture and society either.
Greece does seem like a nation that lives from its past. If you mention Greece people think naturally of Ancient Greece and its philosophers. Modern day Greece is debt, crisis, unemployment and I guess some food? That's it. It's sad, to be honest. I was reading about minimum wages all over Europe and it looks like Greeks are now poorer than us. The country is economically now practically an Eastern European country, it seems. What future does it hold for Greece at this point?
Many Portuguese also are not confident in our country's future. Even if data says our economy is growing, we're still lagging and you gotta realise that things might look good now in comparison to 2010-2014 when we were in the gutter. Things were quite hard here for a while and we had a record 17% high unemployment rate in 2014. Nowadays our unemployment rate is below 10% but it seems like Spain and Greece still have A TON of unemployment?! How? Don't Spaniards and Greeks pack their bags and immigrate often like we do? We've always been quick to pack our bags and GTFO somewhere else when things get bad, here. It's practically in our genes nowadays, sadly. Go any wealthy nation in the world and you'll meet Portuguese people, despite us being a small country with low population. Like, seriously: France, Germany, Spain, Switzerland, Belgium, Luxembourg, the UK, USA, Canada, Australia and even countries like Brazil and Venezuela have a lot of people of Portuguese ancestry or immigrants.
We're a fast ageing country and at this point will cease to exist. How can we have children if it's so hard to raise them nowadays?! Like seriously, I am 28 years old and I plan on NEVER having kids. I see ZERO advantages in starting a family. You'll just lose a ton of money. People say "oh but having a wife and kids is wonderful", well that's not enough motivation to get them. You gotta be able to feed them and pay the bills.
People complain that we're a pessimistic people, but how can we NOT be when looking at our situation and our salaries? We're overworked and don't have good productivity. It's like we're living a life of servitude at this point. No wonder we "invented" slavery ::)
Tourism might be cool and all, but we just can't get the entire world here. There's no enough of us to work at hotels to server a number of tourists that doubles our population at this point. And then there's gentrification. Why the need for like 3 Starbucks in the historical centre of Lisbon? Ofc you can say our city had a lot of decaying buildings, but if you're demolishing historical and typical Portuguese buildings in order to build another Starbucks or McDonald's or a shop for pseudo-intellectual hipsters who work in IT, I'd rather keep the old run down building.
Allow me to go back a bit and address your point about Greeks not knowing how to promote their culture well through movies and such. Well neither do we. You live in the UK, right? Well, try one day, not literally but you know what I mean, going out and asking people around you to name products, brands and cultural aspects of Portugal and Portuguese culture. They might say "nandos", but that's South African. They might know Sumol is Portuguese due to Um Bongo juice. They might know port wine. But I'm sure 90% won't know any of these things. Portugal for foreigners is Ronaldo, Figo, Eusébio, Cristiano Ronaldo, Benfica, Porto and Sporting. Oh, and beaches. Yep. For 90% of people it's what we are. Remember most people don't care much about history and only care about the current times and what they see on tv 24/7. Back to Greece again, other than Varoufkis and Tsipras who were on the news a few years ago for a while, I dunno what famous people around the world Greece has nowadays. I dunno if currently there's any great celebrity or sportsman from Greece that most people know. I could be wrong, though.
You also talked about Greeks valuing what's foreign more. Well, I mean, on one hand that's good because being self-absorbed in your own country bubble is bad and makes you narrow minded like Americans are. But on the other hand, there's a big downside to it, which is importing all the bad and stupid things form countries like USA. Like SJWs. Ok, sure talk about LGBT rights, feminism, etc. all you want but we need to focus on other things as a country. It's like we're trying to worry about things that you'd expect someone as rich as Sweden worries about, all so that others look at us and think "wow so tolerant", as if their approval means something. Most richer countries look at us as if we're poor and toothless, anyway, so none of this crap is gonna make them change their minds. And please don't come tell me "but at least you still have White privilege!". Ok, thanks? ::)
Our political landscape is repetitive and stagnant and it's like politicians all lack IQ points or just simply don't care about the country. Hence why we have like a 44% abstention rate in most elections and we're not getting relevant new parties to rock the boat like many other countries are. Ok there's that party about animal rights, but of all things to worry about in this country why does it have to be THAT sort of party? They even bitched about Benfica flying an eagle before games once :crazy2:. Yeah, clearly Benfica's eagle is the biggest problem in our country right now :estrelas:
It's funny because, on paper, Portugal had the potential to be a pretty good country. We are united, peaceful, haven't had a war in our territory since fucking Napoleon and have a huge coastline and territorial waters. If you're wealthy or rich this is a GREAT country to live in. Portugal has the potential to be a California like type of country, but it doesn't know how to take advantage of it.
Citação de: Festivus em 03 de Dezembro de 2018, 21:21
You know, Faliro, I've been reading your posts and your insight about Greece and its history since 2013 and I must say, it seems like, based on your description and insight, that Greece and Greeks as a whole barely know who they are as a nation or people anymore. All of those invasions didn't help your culture and society either.
Well the Greek socialists never knew who they were anyway - so nothing has changed there. A slav who added an 'as' to the end of their name 100 years ago.. his kid's kid's will be socialists and kinda hate Greece.. The Peloponnese and places like that, Greeks know who they are. If you tell them they are not Greek you will not have a positive experience and your physical health may also be in instant danger. Urban centres like Athens and Salonika.. not so much.. those are commie zones.
CitaçãoGreece does seem like a nation that lives from its past. If you mention Greece people think naturally of Ancient Greece and its philosophers. Modern day Greece is debt, crisis, unemployment and I guess some food? That's it. It's sad, to be honest. I was reading about minimum wages all over Europe and it looks like Greeks are now poorer than us. The country is economically now practically an Eastern European country, it seems. What future does it hold for Greece at this point?
It is important when you think of people losing jobs etc that you do not think that these people lost genuine jobs. Just because a PASOK makes 100,000 public sector jobs per year at the height of their madness, does not mean those 100k public sector jobs were ever economically viable or even useful to anyone other than those who collected a salary from it and an early pension. In return they would vote PASOK again and again to protect their newly created job..
As for the eastern Europe thing, Greece will always have wealth unlike those Eastern European places. Yes there is unemployment, but there is also a lot of money over in Hellas. The old adage - 'Greece is a poor country populated by millionaires' also has a strand of truth to it. There are only 10 million Greeks, so there is wealth. A
poor Greek will still own parcels of land - a car or two - they are quite smart. And smartly they complain to anyone who will listen what they don't have.. to start the bidding low as it were..
CitaçãoMany Portuguese also are not confident in our country's future. Even if data says our economy is growing, we're still lagging and you gotta realise that things might look good now in comparison to 2010-2014 when we were in the gutter. Things were quite hard here for a while and we had a record 17% high unemployment rate in 2014. Nowadays our unemployment rate is below 10% but it seems like Spain and Greece still have A TON of unemployment?! How? Don't Spaniards and Greeks pack their bags and immigrate often like we do? We've always been quick to pack our bags and GTFO somewhere else when things get bad, here. It's practically in our genes nowadays, sadly. Go any wealthy nation in the world and you'll meet Portuguese people, despite us being a small country with low population. Like, seriously: France, Germany, Spain, Switzerland, Belgium, Luxembourg, the UK, USA, Canada, Australia and even countries like Brazil and Venezuela have a lot of people of Portuguese ancestry or immigrants.
Greeks do leave - in droves. Greece's population has barely changed in 30 years. They have very very few kids and many professionals leave and never return. You have to remember - greeks speak far better English that Italians, Spanish, Portuguese, French etc. They are designed to leave to Greece. Greeks leave and often never return. Portugal is a country I have only ever seen from the waiting lounges of the Lisbon Portela Airport en route to Brazil. I need to see it properly to form an opinion. Spain I do know well and the place is a disaster. Also I find many Spanish not 1% as open minded as Portuguese. The fact that I exist on this forum - discussing all the football clubs of the world - with Portuguese Benfica fans.. this would never happen on a Spanish forum.
CitaçãoWe're a fast ageing country and at this point will cease to exist. How can we have children if it's so hard to raise them nowadays?! Like seriously, I am 28 years old and I plan on NEVER having kids. I see ZERO advantages in starting a family. You'll just lose a ton of money. People say "oh but having a wife and kids is wonderful", well that's not enough motivation to get them. You gotta be able to feed them and pay the bills.
I feel you. I think the most common reality is a girl you have been going out with over 10 years pressuring you to have kids and in the end you give in.. what is unforgivable is then telling other childless couples how wonderful it is and that you should join them and have kids.. In the UK we say - couples have kids when they have come to the point in their relationship when they have nothing else to say to each other.
CitaçãoPeople complain that we're a pessimistic people, but how can we NOT be when looking at our situation and our salaries? We're overworked and don't have good productivity. It's like we're living a life of servitude at this point. No wonder we "invented" slavery ::)
Tourism might be cool and all, but we just can't get the entire world here. There's no enough of us to work at hotels to server a number of tourists that doubles our population at this point. And then there's gentrification. Why the need for like 3 Starbucks in the historical centre of Lisbon? Ofc you can say our city had a lot of decaying buildings, but if you're demolishing historical and typical Portuguese buildings in order to build another Starbucks or McDonald's or a shop for pseudo-intellectual hipsters who work in IT, I'd rather keep the old run down building.
Tourism cannot sustain a nation. That is why I cannot forgive the left for wilfully destroying Greek industry and replacing it with public sector token jobs..
CitaçãoAllow me to go back a bit and address your point about Greeks not knowing how to promote their culture well through movies and such. Well neither do we. You live in the UK, right? Well, try one day, not literally but you know what I mean, going out and asking people around you to name products, brands and cultural aspects of Portugal and Portuguese culture. They might say "nandos", but that's South African.
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CitaçãoThey might know Sumol is Portuguese due to Um Bongo juice.
Um Bongo is your stuff? I used to love that stuff as a kid!!
CitaçãoThey might know port wine. But I'm sure 90% won't know any of these things. Portugal for foreigners is Ronaldo, Figo, Eusébio, Cristiano Ronaldo, Benfica, Porto and Sporting. Oh, and beaches. Yep. For 90% of people it's what we are. Remember most people don't care much about history and only care about the current times and what they see on tv 24/7. Back to Greece again, other than Varoufkis and Tsipras who were on the news a few years ago for a while, I dunno what famous people around the world Greece has nowadays. I dunno if currently there's any great celebrity or sportsman from Greece that most people know. I could be wrong, though.
You are right. However it is not just Greece and Portugal who have this problem.. even Italy is getting boring.. On the plus at least people know Greece and Portugal exist.. Ask an American, Chinaman or an Australian what a Latvia is..
CitaçãoYou also talked about Greeks valuing what's foreign more. Well, I mean, on one hand that's good because being self-absorbed in your own country bubble is bad and makes you narrow minded like Americans are. But on the other hand, there's a big downside to it, which is importing all the bad and stupid things form countries like USA. Like SJWs. Ok, sure talk about LGBT rights, feminism, etc. all you want but we need to focus on other things as a country. It's like we're trying to worry about things that you'd expect someone as rich as Sweden worries about, all so that others look at us and think "wow so tolerant", as if their approval means something. Most richer countries look at us as if we're poor and toothless, anyway, so none of this crap is gonna make them change their minds. And please don't come tell me "but at least you still have White privilege!". Ok, thanks? ::)
Greece is so past the white privilege thing. We have communists battling Nazis on the streets of Athens.. The place is too fucked to even pause for white guilt or PC garbage although the TV channels constantly try and introduce PC culture to Greece..
CitaçãoOur political landscape is repetitive and stagnant and it's like politicians all lack IQ points or just simply don't care about the country. Hence why we have like a 44% abstention rate in most elections and we're not getting relevant new parties to rock the boat like many other countries are. Ok there's that party about animal rights, but of all things to worry about in this country why does it have to be THAT sort of party? They even bitched about Benfica flying an eagle before games once :crazy2:. Yeah, clearly Benfica's eagle is the biggest problem in our country right now :estrelas:
You hit on something here. The Greek politicians simply don't like Greece. Yes we know Tsipras hates Greece - he is a trotskyist - it goes with the territory.. but even the so called 'conservative' voices in Greece hate Greece. I remember when Pangalos, foreign minister was caught on tape telling the Turkish Minister that Greeks are lazy and make poor workers.. He denied it of course - threatened to take anyone who repeated the story to court.. sadly for him a turk had recorded the whole thing.. so he backed down.. he is still in parliament.. (again a Greek with non Greek ancestry bashing Greeks - Pangalos is descended from 'Arvanities' - Albanian Greeks).
CitaçãoIt's funny because, on paper, Portugal had the potential to be a pretty good country. We are united, peaceful, haven't had a war in our territory since fucking Napoleon and have a huge coastline and territorial waters. If you're wealthy or rich this is a GREAT country to live in. Portugal has the potential to be a California like type of country, but it doesn't know how to take advantage of it.
Bad leaders. Like Greece. You know - Athens lost to the Spartans 2400 years ago. Everyone spent the next 500 years asking how Athens (the intellectual light of the world) could lose the Peloponnesian War to Sparta - basically educated soldiers in a totalitarian state. Thucydides I believe put is best.
Athens ran out of good leaders. Pericles, Themistokles, Kimonas.. After each one died or was exiled.. in the end there was only shit leaders left. For a nation to prosper you don't need a clever leader - you just need a leader that genuinely loves his country - and the left hate those characters... Trump, Bolsonaro, Erdogan.. 99% of politicians become politicians for money - not because they have some deep need to change their country for the better, lawyers become lawyers for money - not because they are quick witted and never lose an argument, doctors become doctors for money - not because as kids they were obsessed with the human body and how it works.
To be honest guys, I tell you all these things because you ask about Greece.. So I tell you the truth. if we were to meet in Greece - we would just have beer and enjoy the place so much.. When I go to Greece sometimes I argue with communists - but usually I just say my piece and leave.. I know it will sink in later to their minds.. I am not after a war there, I just enjoy the place.. swim.. eat.. I have fun.. I am artificiality more Greek than I should be because despite only my Grandfather being Greek but my mother brainwashed me into being Greek - took me every year since birth to the empty beaches of Atalandi.., baptised me Greek Orthodox.. the beauty of the nation did the rest. I will always love the land there.. but the people? 50/50.. I am not representative of most greeks.. I represent around 10%... if that..
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:23
Well the Greek socialists never knew who they were anyway - so nothing has changed there. A slav who added an 'as' to the end of their name 100 years ago.. his kid's kid's will be socialists and kinda hate Greece.. The Peloponnese and places like that, Greeks know who they are. If you tell them they are not Greek you will not have a positive experience and your physical health may also be in instant danger. Urban centres like Athens and Salonika.. not so much.. those are commie zones.
Well, that's good to know. That Greeks still know who they are.
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It is important when you think of people losing jobs etc that you do not think that these people lost genuine jobs. Just because a PASOK makes 100,000 public sector jobs per year at the height of their madness, does not mean those 100k public sector jobs were ever economically viable or even useful to anyone other than those who collected a salary from it and an early pension. In return they would vote PASOK again and again to protect their newly created job..
As for the eastern Europe thing, Greece will always have wealth unlike those Eastern European places. Yes there is unemployment, but there is also a lot of money over in Hellas. The old adage - 'Greece is a poor country populated by millionaires' also has a strand of truth to it. There are only 10 million Greeks, so there is wealth. A poor Greek will still own parcels of land - a car or two - they are quite smart. And smartly they complain to anyone who will listen what they don't have.. to start the bidding low as it were..
And here I thought the Portuguese state was too omnipresent.
CitaçãoGreeks do leave - in droves. Greece's population has barely changed in 30 years. They have very very few kids and many professionals leave and never return. You have to remember - greeks speak far better English that Italians, Spanish, Portuguese, French etc. They are designed to leave to Greece. Greeks leave and often never return. Portugal is a country I have only ever seen from the waiting lounges of the Lisbon Portela Airport en route to Brazil. I need to see it properly to form an opinion. Spain I do know well and the place is a disaster. Also I find many Spanish not 1% as open minded as Portuguese. The fact that I exist on this forum - discussing all the football clubs of the world - with Portuguese Benfica fans.. this would never happen on a Spanish forum.
Well what do you mean by open mindness, exactly? When it comes to football, basically? Well that's simply because we're from a small country with a league that's not part of the big 3 or even big 5. So we're a tier or two below in the hierarchy. We have no other choice but to get bombarded with news of other clubs on social media.
We are also doomed to leave the country. Only in the 90s did immigrants into our country outnumber the locals leaving the country to elsewhere. Nearly everyone heree has a relative or a distant relative that either lives or lived abroad at some point. Een highly educated Portuguese people often leave the country. My brother, for example, left for Belgium nearly a decade ago already. At this point I think only the Polish or Romanians outnumber us in terms of immigration in Europe. Polish people are everywhere. You're from the UK, so you probably have met Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians and I guess Portuguese people there. A guy I talk to from the Uk who works at a hospital doing paperwork/administrative stuff, told me the hospital has a lot of Portuguese nurses.
CitaçãoI feel you. I think the most common reality is a girl you have been going out with over 10 years pressuring you to have kids and in the end you give in.. what is unforgivable is then telling other childless couples how wonderful it is and that you should join them and have kids.. In the UK we say - couples have kids when they have come to the point in their relationship when they have nothing else to say to each other.
That's very cool of you to say to me, considering you're married. I can't stand when married men or men in long term relationships act condescendingly with me because I am single. Relationships in general are overrated, imo. And by this, I'm not saying there aren't many great ones out there or that yours is bad by any means, know. But they're not the secret to permanent happiness, especially when you consider that most of them fail and that most people have a few bfs/gfs in their lives until they find "the one", if they do, and even "the one" might result in a divorce. Honestly, the main reason most people get into them is because of sex, especially when they're young. That or financial stability when they're older. All of this also boils down to people simply loving company due to human beings being social creatures. It's like it's in our biological senses to do that in order to procreate and continue the species.
We're getting married and having kids later and later. It's simply no longer sustainable to have 4 kids like it was in the 1950s. Most people of middle class only have 1 or 2 kids. It's the poorer and the richer people who have the most kids on average.
Movies and the media overrate the whole love and fmaily thing and only show us the good parts.
Fact is, this is no longer the 1950s-1990s. The bubble has burst and even if your country is growing for a few years you just know it's a matter of time until shit hits the fan again. And countries like Portugal and Greece will suffer strongly again when the next crisis comes.
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Tourism cannot sustain a nation. That is why I cannot forgive the left for wilfully destroying Greek industry and replacing it with public sector token jobs..
Exactly. Industry? What is Portuguese industry even anymore? And let's not even talk about our agriculture. We're ages behind large parts of Europe in terms of farming technology. We export lemons and oranges because obviously we have the climate and soil for that.
As for actual industry? We make... shoes, car parts, cork(number 1 exporter in the world), olive oil and wine. Our largest brand is either Sumol+Compal who make juice and soft drinks or Renova, a company that makes napkins and toilet paper. It's good stuff but kinda funny that one of our biggest companies makes that kind of stuff lol. Meanwhile we can't wipe our own shit :2funny:
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Um Bongo is your stuff? I used to love that stuff as a kid!!
Yes, it is! UM BONGO UM BONGO, O BOM SABOR DA SELVAAAA!
CitaçãoYou are right. However it is not just Greece and Portugal who have this problem.. even Italy is getting boring.. On the plus at least people know Greece and Portugal exist.. Ask an American, Chinaman or an Australian what a Latvia is..
Latvia regained its independence 30 years ago or less and, afaik, it never did much in history. Of the Baltic countries, Lithuania is the one with the most well known history, I'd say. Estonia is known for having a very good economy for a former Soviet country.
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Greece is so past the white privilege thing. We have communists battling Nazis on the streets of Athens.. The place is too fucked to even pause for white guilt or PC garbage although the TV channels constantly try and introduce PC culture to Greece..
Tbh it's harder to sell it to you guys. You didn't colonise or oppress natives from the Americas, Asia or Africa like we did nor do you have a significant black population like we do ;D
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You hit on something here. The Greek politicians simply don't like Greece. Yes we know Tsipras hates Greece - he is a trotskyist - it goes with the territory.. but even the so called 'conservative' voices in Greece hate Greece. I remember when Pangalos, foreign minister was caught on tape telling the Turkish Minister that Greeks are lazy and make poor workers.. He denied it of course - threatened to take anyone who repeated the story to court.. sadly for him a turk had recorded the whole thing.. so he backed down.. he is still in parliament.. (again a Greek with non Greek ancestry bashing Greeks - Pangalos is descended from 'Arvanities' - Albanian Greeks).
Damn, that's brutal, hearing that from someone you might have voted for.
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Bad leaders. Like Greece. You know - Athens lost to the Spartans 2400 years ago. Everyone spent the next 500 years asking how Athens (the intellectual light of the world) could lose the Peloponnesian War to Sparta - basically educated soldiers in a totalitarian state. Thucydides I believe put is best. Athens ran out of good leaders. Pericles, Themistokles, Kimonas.. After each one died or was exiled.. in the end there was only shit leaders left. For a nation to prosper you don't need a clever leader - you just need a leader that genuinely loves his country - and the left hate those characters... Trump, Bolsonaro, Erdogan.. 99% of politicians become politicians for money - not because they have some deep need to change their country for the better, lawyers become lawyers for money - not because they are quick witted and never lose an argument, doctors become doctors for money - not because as kids they were obsessed with the human body and how it works.
Yeah, I must ask you,do you know what education is like in Greece? Are the philosophical texts of Plato, Aristoteles, Socrates, etc. valued?
CitaçãoTo be honest guys, I tell you all these things because you ask about Greece.. So I tell you the truth. if we were to meet in Greece - we would just have beer and enjoy the place so much.. When I go to Greece sometimes I argue with communists - but usually I just say my piece and leave.. I know it will sink in later to their minds.. I am not after a war there, I just enjoy the place.. swim.. eat.. I have fun.. I am artificiality more Greek than I should be because despite only my Grandfather being Greek but my mother brainwashed me into being Greek - took me every year since birth to the empty beaches of Atalandi.., baptised me Greek Orthodox.. the beauty of the nation did the rest. I will always love the land there.. but the people? 50/50.. I am not representative of most greeks.. I represent around 10%... if that..
Well me and others ask you because you don't seem to have a problem educating us on Greece and I personally always like reading your perspective on things. Greece is usually viewed as a romantic place to go on vacation. It does indeed have lovely islands and scenery, from the photos I've seen of the country. But like every country it has a dark side.
Citação de: Festivus em 04 de Dezembro de 2018, 01:09
Well what do you mean by open mindness, exactly? When it comes to football, basically? Well that's simply because we're from a small country with a league that's not part of the big 3 or even big 5. So we're a tier or two below in the hierarchy. We have no other choice but to get bombarded with news of other clubs on social media.
In general terms - I have found portuguese a little more open to the world outside portugal than Spanish are to the world outside Spain. I don't mean to offend Spanish here. I have Spanish (Catalan) ancestry. just something i have noticed.
CitaçãoWe are also doomed to leave the country. Only in the 90s did immigrants into our country outnumber the locals leaving the country to elsewhere. Nearly everyone heree has a relative or a distant relative that either lives or lived abroad at some point. Een highly educated Portuguese people often leave the country. My brother, for example, left for Belgium nearly a decade ago already. At this point I think only the Polish or Romanians outnumber us in terms of immigration in Europe. Polish people are everywhere. You're from the UK, so you probably have met Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians and I guess Portuguese people there. A guy I talk to from the Uk who works at a hospital doing paperwork/administrative stuff, told me the hospital has a lot of Portuguese nurses.
There are many many Portuguese here. Portuguese, Polish, Brazilians - London is New York.. I grew up with Spanish, Cypriots, Lebanese, Indians, Jews, Portuguese etc as a kid.
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That's very cool of you to say to me, considering you're married. I can't stand when married men or men in long term relationships act condescendingly with me because I am single. Relationships in general are overrated, imo. And by this, I'm not saying there aren't many great ones out there or that yours is bad by any means, know. But they're not the secret to permanent happiness, especially when you consider that most of them fail and that most people have a few bfs/gfs in their lives until they find "the one", if they do, and even "the one" might result in a divorce. Honestly, the main reason most people get into them is because of sex, especially when they're young. That or financial stability when they're older. All of this also boils down to people simply loving company due to human beings being social creatures. It's like it's in our biological senses to do that in order to procreate and continue the species.
We're getting married and having kids later and later. It's simply no longer sustainable to have 4 kids like it was in the 1950s. Most people of middle class only have 1 or 2 kids. It's the poorer and the richer people who have the most kids on average.
Movies and the media overrate the whole love and fmaily thing and only show us the good parts.
Fact is, this is no longer the 1950s-1990s. The bubble has burst and even if your country is growing for a few years you just know it's a matter of time until shit hits the fan again. And countries like Portugal and Greece will suffer strongly again when the next crisis comes.
I would add one extra reason people get married besides sex and financial security. To combat being alone. Those who can live alone are in a strong position. Most cannot.
CitaçãoExactly. Industry? What is Portuguese industry even anymore? And let's not even talk about our agriculture. We're ages behind large parts of Europe in terms of farming technology. We export lemons and oranges because obviously we have the climate and soil for that.
As for actual industry? We make... shoes, car parts, cork(number 1 exporter in the world), olive oil and wine. Our largest brand is either Sumol+Compal who make juice and soft drinks or Renova, a company that makes napkins and toilet paper. It's good stuff but kinda funny that one of our biggest companies makes that kind of stuff lol. Meanwhile we can't wipe our own shit :2funny:
One of Greece's biggest companies is our biggest gambling company - OPAP. ;D I think it is the biggest in Europe actually..
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Yes, it is! UM BONGO UM BONGO, O BOM SABOR DA SELVAAAA!
Every British kid grew up with this tune:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYj5o4kQsXs
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Tbh it's harder to sell it to you guys. You didn't colonise or oppress natives from the Americas, Asia or Africa like we did nor do you have a significant black population like we do ;D
Yea, it is actually impossible to guilt a Greek into anything! Especially things they should actually feel guilty for. In the old days when a Greek would kill someone in front of others (others who probably helped trap the victim) - a lot of the time the murderer would yell after killing the man/woman - 'I take full responsibility for this sin.. go home - its over' - everyone would just leave relieved they were not involved thanks to the murderer's token words..
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Damn, that's brutal, hearing that from someone you might have voted for.
Even more ridiculous, the event he said it at was a diplomatic business mission where he was sent to Turkey to promote Greek businesses.. :crazy2: All he could talk about is why the Turkish should not do business with greeks.. He denied what he said right up until the recording was released. Then he and the media just forgot about it. Very Greek. No consequences..
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Yeah, I must ask you,do you know what education is like in Greece? Are the philosophical texts of Plato, Aristoteles, Socrates, etc. valued?
Not sure. I know in the old days when I was a kid they had to translate Thucydides from Ancient Greek to modern etc and things like that in a rather intense manner - they would always complain how hard it was etc.. Now I have no idea.
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Well me and others ask you because you don't seem to have a problem educating us on Greece and I personally always like reading your perspective on things. Greece is usually viewed as a romantic place to go on vacation. It does indeed have lovely islands and scenery, from the photos I've seen of the country. But like every country it has a dark side.
Yes, the country itself is very very beautiful. It is actually alive - like a living person. Many Benfiquistas on here have PMed me where to go and on FB on things later they said they absolutely loved it there and will go back. It is a magical place. Very spiritual. Genuinely spiritual - not indian guru telling middle class white women in their 40s to breath in while meditating etc.. Greece is genuinely soulful. Beautiful land.
That's just the usual big vs. small country mentality. Larger countries are more self-absorbed due to living in bigger bubbles. Go to Spain, France, Germany,Italy or the UK and nearly everything on their tv is in their country's language. Perhaps even most of the songs on the radio or a large chunk of them. Not to mention, being larger economies, they have more money to make more tv shows and movies with higher production values.
If we Portuguese didn't care much about the rest of the world nor did we consume a lot of foreign media and brands we'd be living very humble existences.
Most can't live alone, obviously. But you see, I'm not afraid of dying alone per se, unless I die of a terminal disease or something. But if I drop dead of a sudden heart attack one day, it makes no difference if I have a family or not since I'll barely suffer in the last few minutes of my life and die quickly.
Did the Greek language really change that much throughout history to the point of Ancient Greek no longer being understandable by modern Greek speakers anymore?
What's modern Greek literature like? And cinema? How do you feel about the 1964 movie adaption of Zorba?
As for education, Portugal was very backwards in the early 20th century. I think only like 20% of our population in the 1920s could read. We were the ass of Europe in that respect. What were literacy rates in Greece like around WW1?
Citação de: Festivus em 04 de Dezembro de 2018, 02:43
Did the Greek language really change that much throughout history to the point of Ancient Greek no longer being understandable by modern Greek speakers anymore?
Ancient Greek to modern is easier than Latin to Italian for example. Greek kids would complain simply because they probably didn't see the point. And also - have to get in the hard sell of how hard you work etc.. so that you have a lot practice for when you are older have to complain how hard your job is..
CitaçãoWhat's modern Greek literature like? And cinema? How do you feel about the 1964 movie adaption of Zorba?
I read Zorba when I was in my teens - a read a big chunk of it on a long plane journey actually. It is easily one of the greatest books I have read in my life. Masterful. Painfully brilliant. Brutal. And a page turner - addictive. Heavy heavy message. I watched the film and thought meh.. The book is a work of genius - the film is like the Toys R Us kids version.. I am not sure I will be able to ever read it again. The existentialism in that book is severe.. Everyone I know who has read it (non Greeks) thinks it is a work of genius. A good greek film is Woman in Black but I am not sure I have seen the whole thing! ;D
CitaçãoAs for education, Portugal was very backwards in the early 20th century. I think only like 20% of our population in the 1920s could read. We were the ass of Europe in that respect. What were literacy rates in Greece like around WW1?
Probably low.. I mean here is a Greek kid shopping in central Greece during the Greek Civil War.. Not exactly a scholarly society outside of Athens.. 3 successive devastating wars in 25 years wrecked the nation (Greco Turkish War, WW2 and the Greek Civil War).
(https://scontent.flhr1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40102917_294538697810958_2166505383844118528_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr1-2.fna&oh=42468d9afd776b4e30024c9c903f08f1&oe=5C9E5CBE)
If you meet Portuguese people born in the 50s and 60s many of them didn't go far in school because they had to drop out quite early in their lives to start working in order to support their families. I've met people in their 50s who don't even remember when they began their professional lives. As in, working since they're 9 or 10 years old. Child labour was a very common thing here. Was it like that in Greece during the Junta years as well?
Citação de: Festivus em 04 de Dezembro de 2018, 03:35
If you meet Portuguese people born in the 50s and 60s many of them didn't go far in school because they had to drop out quite early in their lives to start working in order to support their families. I've met people in their 50s who don't even remember when they began their professional lives. As in, working since they're 9 or 10 years old. Child labour was a very common thing here. Was it like that in Greece during the Junta years as well?
No, Junta period was a boom economy where the country became exceptionally afluent. Education, infrastructure etc was all provided for well.
So....
It seems the EPO (president is a lifelong PAOK supporter) has decided PAOk will win the championship this year..
OSFP won on Monday... but so did PAOK.. so they are still 6 points ahead.
However, they beat Lamia 0-1 on Monday thanks to ref ignoring the most blatant handball in the box by PAOK in the history of football. The ref saw it.. and decided .. 'meh.. the defender's back was turned - so I will invent a new rule that when your back is turned - it is never a handball' and did not give the penalty for Lamia. Even the PAOK coach admitted it should have been a pen. The ref in question has now been demoted to the football league and not allowed to ref again in the SL.
Here is the handball - by Vieirinha. The PAOK handball was so strong - it diverted the ball miles in the opposite direction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3uUO8QNZe8
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:14
So....
It seems the EPO (president is a lifelong PAOK supporter) has decided PAOk will win the championship this year..
OSFP won on Monday... but so did PAOK.. so they are still 6 points ahead.
However, they beat Lamia 0-1 on Monday thanks to ref ignoring the most blatant handball in the box by PAOK in the history of football. The ref saw it.. and decided .. 'meh.. the defender's back was turned - so I will invent a new rule that when your back is turned - it is never a handball' and did not give the penalty for Lamia. Even the PAOK coach admitted it should have been a pen. The ref in question has now been demoted to the football league and not allowed to ref again in the SL.
Here is the handball - by Vieirinha. The PAOK handball was so strong - it diverted the ball miles in the opposite direction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3uUO8QNZe8
That video had a good title :buck2:
Tell me one thing: why Toure is not playing ate Olympiacos? Is he injured?
For me it is weird because he have so few minutes... and I do not see any better player in Olympiacos than Toure...
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:28
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:14
So....
It seems the EPO (president is a lifelong PAOK supporter) has decided PAOk will win the championship this year..
OSFP won on Monday... but so did PAOK.. so they are still 6 points ahead.
However, they beat Lamia 0-1 on Monday thanks to ref ignoring the most blatant handball in the box by PAOK in the history of football. The ref saw it.. and decided .. 'meh.. the defender's back was turned - so I will invent a new rule that when your back is turned - it is never a handball' and did not give the penalty for Lamia. Even the PAOK coach admitted it should have been a pen. The ref in question has now been demoted to the football league and not allowed to ref again in the SL.
Here is the handball - by Vieirinha. The PAOK handball was so strong - it diverted the ball miles in the opposite direction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3uUO8QNZe8
That video had a good title :buck2:
Tell me one thing: why Toure is not playing ate Olympiacos? Is he injured?
For me it is weird because he have so few minutes... and I do not see any better player in Olympiacos than Toure...
It's a good question. All I can say is it is down to Martins not thinking he is good enough.
Martins has rotated the team every week. From day 1 - there was only one player who was guaranteed to be the 11. Podence. All other players rotated. The last 3 weeks Cisse has become a starter at CB and it seems martins likes Vukovic as his partner. Sa is now 100% our starting goalkeeper so he has around 4 starters. Add to that he likes very much Buxalakis in the middle - we have 5 starters. He also likes - most of the time.. Guerrero as striker when Hassan is injured. Everyone else is rotated including Fortounis, Koutris etc.
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:40
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:28
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:14
So....
It seems the EPO (president is a lifelong PAOK supporter) has decided PAOk will win the championship this year..
OSFP won on Monday... but so did PAOK.. so they are still 6 points ahead.
However, they beat Lamia 0-1 on Monday thanks to ref ignoring the most blatant handball in the box by PAOK in the history of football. The ref saw it.. and decided .. 'meh.. the defender's back was turned - so I will invent a new rule that when your back is turned - it is never a handball' and did not give the penalty for Lamia. Even the PAOK coach admitted it should have been a pen. The ref in question has now been demoted to the football league and not allowed to ref again in the SL.
Here is the handball - by Vieirinha. The PAOK handball was so strong - it diverted the ball miles in the opposite direction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3uUO8QNZe8
That video had a good title :buck2:
Tell me one thing: why Toure is not playing ate Olympiacos? Is he injured?
For me it is weird because he have so few minutes... and I do not see any better player in Olympiacos than Toure...
It's a good question. All I can say is it is down to Martins not thinking he is good enough.
Martins has rotated the team every week. From day 1 - there was only one player who was guaranteed to be the 11. Podence. All other players rotated. The last 3 weeks Cisse has become a starter at CB and it seems martins likes Vukovic as his partner. Sa is now 100% our starting goalkeeper so he has around 4 starters. Add to that he likes very much Buxalakis in the middle - we have 5 starters. He also likes - most of the time.. Guerrero as striker when Hassan is injured. Everyone else is rotated including Fortounis, Koutris etc.
Down to Martins?! Well...I used to see Olympiacos as a team with some good players (the last one, in my opinion, was in 2013/14: Manolas, Holebas, Samaris, Mitroglou, Campbell...), but now when I see third-line players like Podence, Sá, Roderick or Hassan, I feel upset. The same with the coach. You had some good Portuguese coaches and now you had an average one (who else does not put Toure in the 11?!). I know that this crisis is common in Greek football, but that rotating system of Martins does not please me at all. I was happy when Toure was announced and at the time I was thinking that he only needs a month to prepare to assume the first-team place. In my opinion, he is not a player to sat down on the bench or nothing similar.
As for the Greek players, there is anyone good? Don't know that much. You should make an effort and bring back Mitroglou. He is completely lost in Massília.
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 12:53
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:40
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:28
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:14
So....
It seems the EPO (president is a lifelong PAOK supporter) has decided PAOk will win the championship this year..
OSFP won on Monday... but so did PAOK.. so they are still 6 points ahead.
However, they beat Lamia 0-1 on Monday thanks to ref ignoring the most blatant handball in the box by PAOK in the history of football. The ref saw it.. and decided .. 'meh.. the defender's back was turned - so I will invent a new rule that when your back is turned - it is never a handball' and did not give the penalty for Lamia. Even the PAOK coach admitted it should have been a pen. The ref in question has now been demoted to the football league and not allowed to ref again in the SL.
Here is the handball - by Vieirinha. The PAOK handball was so strong - it diverted the ball miles in the opposite direction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3uUO8QNZe8
That video had a good title :buck2:
Tell me one thing: why Toure is not playing ate Olympiacos? Is he injured?
For me it is weird because he have so few minutes... and I do not see any better player in Olympiacos than Toure...
It's a good question. All I can say is it is down to Martins not thinking he is good enough.
Martins has rotated the team every week. From day 1 - there was only one player who was guaranteed to be the 11. Podence. All other players rotated. The last 3 weeks Cisse has become a starter at CB and it seems martins likes Vukovic as his partner. Sa is now 100% our starting goalkeeper so he has around 4 starters. Add to that he likes very much Buxalakis in the middle - we have 5 starters. He also likes - most of the time.. Guerrero as striker when Hassan is injured. Everyone else is rotated including Fortounis, Koutris etc.
Down to Martins?! Well...I used to see Olympiacos as a team with some good players (the last one, in my opinion, was in 2013/14: Manolas, Holebas, Samaris, Mitroglou, Campbell...), but now when I see third-line players like Podence, Sá, Roderick or Hassan, I feel upset. The same with the coach. You had some good Portuguese coaches and now you had an average one (who else does not put Toure in the 11?!). I know that this crisis is common in Greek football, but that rotating system of Martins does not please me at all. I was happy when Toure was announced and at the time I was thinking that he only needs a month to prepare to assume the first-team place. In my opinion, he is not a player to sat down on the bench or nothing similar.
As for the Greek players, there is anyone good? Don't know that much. You should make an effort and bring back Mitroglou. He is completely lost in Massília.
Yes, there is a chance we can get Mitroglou back - although his wages will be very high. Many players will leave this winter - rumours are Hassan, Vroussai, Fetfa, Nikolaou, Androutsos, Pardo and Toure could all leave. Toure may stay... Personally I would have played him as CM next to Naxto - Bouxalakis is garbage. Martins does over rotate 100%.
We are a couple of levels down on how we used to be - you are right. Took us years to get someone like Cisse to replace Manolas.. I even miss players with the talent Vladamir Weiss had.. I think the best Greek players are Fortounis (although a shadow of what used to be) and Koutris (half Greek, half Brazilian LB who was involved in the infamous stretcher incident years ago). We have signed a tasty winger called Masouras from Panionios:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgos_Masouras
He will be ours from 1st Jan. Rumours are we will give Panionios some of the younger Greeks we are off-loading in return as we only paid Panionios 400k for Masouras - who is easily worth 10 times that..
A good spirited game will be Olympiacos vs Milan next week. We need to win by two goals and we are through.
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 17:11
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 12:53
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:40
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:28
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:14
So....
It seems the EPO (president is a lifelong PAOK supporter) has decided PAOk will win the championship this year..
OSFP won on Monday... but so did PAOK.. so they are still 6 points ahead.
However, they beat Lamia 0-1 on Monday thanks to ref ignoring the most blatant handball in the box by PAOK in the history of football. The ref saw it.. and decided .. 'meh.. the defender's back was turned - so I will invent a new rule that when your back is turned - it is never a handball' and did not give the penalty for Lamia. Even the PAOK coach admitted it should have been a pen. The ref in question has now been demoted to the football league and not allowed to ref again in the SL.
Here is the handball - by Vieirinha. The PAOK handball was so strong - it diverted the ball miles in the opposite direction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3uUO8QNZe8
That video had a good title :buck2:
Tell me one thing: why Toure is not playing ate Olympiacos? Is he injured?
For me it is weird because he have so few minutes... and I do not see any better player in Olympiacos than Toure...
It's a good question. All I can say is it is down to Martins not thinking he is good enough.
Martins has rotated the team every week. From day 1 - there was only one player who was guaranteed to be the 11. Podence. All other players rotated. The last 3 weeks Cisse has become a starter at CB and it seems martins likes Vukovic as his partner. Sa is now 100% our starting goalkeeper so he has around 4 starters. Add to that he likes very much Buxalakis in the middle - we have 5 starters. He also likes - most of the time.. Guerrero as striker when Hassan is injured. Everyone else is rotated including Fortounis, Koutris etc.
Down to Martins?! Well...I used to see Olympiacos as a team with some good players (the last one, in my opinion, was in 2013/14: Manolas, Holebas, Samaris, Mitroglou, Campbell...), but now when I see third-line players like Podence, Sá, Roderick or Hassan, I feel upset. The same with the coach. You had some good Portuguese coaches and now you had an average one (who else does not put Toure in the 11?!). I know that this crisis is common in Greek football, but that rotating system of Martins does not please me at all. I was happy when Toure was announced and at the time I was thinking that he only needs a month to prepare to assume the first-team place. In my opinion, he is not a player to sat down on the bench or nothing similar.
As for the Greek players, there is anyone good? Don't know that much. You should make an effort and bring back Mitroglou. He is completely lost in Massília.
Yes, there is a chance we can get Mitroglou back - although his wages will be very high. Many players will leave this winter - rumours are Hassan, Vroussai, Fetfa, Nikolaou, Androutsos, Pardo and Toure could all leave. Toure may stay... Personally I would have played him as CM next to Naxto - Bouxalakis is garbage. Martins does over rotate 100%.
We are a couple of levels down on how we used to be - you are right. Took us years to get someone like Cisse to replace Manolas.. I even miss players with the talent Vladamir Weiss had.. I think the best Greek players are Fortounis (although a shadow of what used to be) and Koutris (half Greek, half Brazilian LB who was involved in the infamous stretcher incident years ago). We have signed a tasty winger called Masouras from Panionios:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgos_Masouras
He will be ours from 1st Jan. Rumours are we will give Panionios some of the younger Greeks we are off-loading in return as we only paid Panionios 400k for Masouras - who is easily worth 10 times that..
A good spirited game will be Olympiacos vs Milan next week. We need to win by two goals and we are through.
You should sack Martins instead of let Toure leave O0. It seems that you have made a good deal with Masouras. You should thrown away that Portuguese garbage and bring back Mitroglou and others (Samaris' contract in Benfica is expiring...)
Your European campaign is, by now, disappointing. It is true that you had a tough group according to Europa League standards, yet I was expecting more (especially in the home game against Betis). Although, I hope that you will win Milan by 2 and pass. With Toure on the 11 and scoring both goals! :tocha:
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 06 de Dezembro de 2018, 12:50
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 17:11
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 12:53
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:40
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:28
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:14
So....
It seems the EPO (president is a lifelong PAOK supporter) has decided PAOk will win the championship this year..
OSFP won on Monday... but so did PAOK.. so they are still 6 points ahead.
However, they beat Lamia 0-1 on Monday thanks to ref ignoring the most blatant handball in the box by PAOK in the history of football. The ref saw it.. and decided .. 'meh.. the defender's back was turned - so I will invent a new rule that when your back is turned - it is never a handball' and did not give the penalty for Lamia. Even the PAOK coach admitted it should have been a pen. The ref in question has now been demoted to the football league and not allowed to ref again in the SL.
Here is the handball - by Vieirinha. The PAOK handball was so strong - it diverted the ball miles in the opposite direction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3uUO8QNZe8
That video had a good title :buck2:
Tell me one thing: why Toure is not playing ate Olympiacos? Is he injured?
For me it is weird because he have so few minutes... and I do not see any better player in Olympiacos than Toure...
It's a good question. All I can say is it is down to Martins not thinking he is good enough.
Martins has rotated the team every week. From day 1 - there was only one player who was guaranteed to be the 11. Podence. All other players rotated. The last 3 weeks Cisse has become a starter at CB and it seems martins likes Vukovic as his partner. Sa is now 100% our starting goalkeeper so he has around 4 starters. Add to that he likes very much Buxalakis in the middle - we have 5 starters. He also likes - most of the time.. Guerrero as striker when Hassan is injured. Everyone else is rotated including Fortounis, Koutris etc.
Down to Martins?! Well...I used to see Olympiacos as a team with some good players (the last one, in my opinion, was in 2013/14: Manolas, Holebas, Samaris, Mitroglou, Campbell...), but now when I see third-line players like Podence, Sá, Roderick or Hassan, I feel upset. The same with the coach. You had some good Portuguese coaches and now you had an average one (who else does not put Toure in the 11?!). I know that this crisis is common in Greek football, but that rotating system of Martins does not please me at all. I was happy when Toure was announced and at the time I was thinking that he only needs a month to prepare to assume the first-team place. In my opinion, he is not a player to sat down on the bench or nothing similar.
As for the Greek players, there is anyone good? Don't know that much. You should make an effort and bring back Mitroglou. He is completely lost in Massília.
Yes, there is a chance we can get Mitroglou back - although his wages will be very high. Many players will leave this winter - rumours are Hassan, Vroussai, Fetfa, Nikolaou, Androutsos, Pardo and Toure could all leave. Toure may stay... Personally I would have played him as CM next to Naxto - Bouxalakis is garbage. Martins does over rotate 100%.
We are a couple of levels down on how we used to be - you are right. Took us years to get someone like Cisse to replace Manolas.. I even miss players with the talent Vladamir Weiss had.. I think the best Greek players are Fortounis (although a shadow of what used to be) and Koutris (half Greek, half Brazilian LB who was involved in the infamous stretcher incident years ago). We have signed a tasty winger called Masouras from Panionios:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgos_Masouras
He will be ours from 1st Jan. Rumours are we will give Panionios some of the younger Greeks we are off-loading in return as we only paid Panionios 400k for Masouras - who is easily worth 10 times that..
A good spirited game will be Olympiacos vs Milan next week. We need to win by two goals and we are through.
You should sack Martins instead of let Toure leave O0. It seems that you have made a good deal with Masouras. You should thrown away that Portuguese garbage and bring back Mitroglou and others (Samaris' contract in Benfica is expiring...)
Your European campaign is, by now, disappointing. It is true that you had a tough group according to Europa League standards, yet I was expecting more (especially in the home game against Betis). Although, I hope that you will win Milan by 2 and pass. With Toure on the 11 and scoring both goals! :tocha:
Toure has not looked too good when he has played. However, I would play him cm instead of Bouxa without a doubt.
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Dezembro de 2018, 15:47
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 06 de Dezembro de 2018, 12:50
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 17:11
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 12:53
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:40
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:28
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:14
So....
It seems the EPO (president is a lifelong PAOK supporter) has decided PAOk will win the championship this year..
OSFP won on Monday... but so did PAOK.. so they are still 6 points ahead.
However, they beat Lamia 0-1 on Monday thanks to ref ignoring the most blatant handball in the box by PAOK in the history of football. The ref saw it.. and decided .. 'meh.. the defender's back was turned - so I will invent a new rule that when your back is turned - it is never a handball' and did not give the penalty for Lamia. Even the PAOK coach admitted it should have been a pen. The ref in question has now been demoted to the football league and not allowed to ref again in the SL.
Here is the handball - by Vieirinha. The PAOK handball was so strong - it diverted the ball miles in the opposite direction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3uUO8QNZe8
That video had a good title :buck2:
Tell me one thing: why Toure is not playing ate Olympiacos? Is he injured?
For me it is weird because he have so few minutes... and I do not see any better player in Olympiacos than Toure...
It's a good question. All I can say is it is down to Martins not thinking he is good enough.
Martins has rotated the team every week. From day 1 - there was only one player who was guaranteed to be the 11. Podence. All other players rotated. The last 3 weeks Cisse has become a starter at CB and it seems martins likes Vukovic as his partner. Sa is now 100% our starting goalkeeper so he has around 4 starters. Add to that he likes very much Buxalakis in the middle - we have 5 starters. He also likes - most of the time.. Guerrero as striker when Hassan is injured. Everyone else is rotated including Fortounis, Koutris etc.
Down to Martins?! Well...I used to see Olympiacos as a team with some good players (the last one, in my opinion, was in 2013/14: Manolas, Holebas, Samaris, Mitroglou, Campbell...), but now when I see third-line players like Podence, Sá, Roderick or Hassan, I feel upset. The same with the coach. You had some good Portuguese coaches and now you had an average one (who else does not put Toure in the 11?!). I know that this crisis is common in Greek football, but that rotating system of Martins does not please me at all. I was happy when Toure was announced and at the time I was thinking that he only needs a month to prepare to assume the first-team place. In my opinion, he is not a player to sat down on the bench or nothing similar.
As for the Greek players, there is anyone good? Don't know that much. You should make an effort and bring back Mitroglou. He is completely lost in Massília.
Yes, there is a chance we can get Mitroglou back - although his wages will be very high. Many players will leave this winter - rumours are Hassan, Vroussai, Fetfa, Nikolaou, Androutsos, Pardo and Toure could all leave. Toure may stay... Personally I would have played him as CM next to Naxto - Bouxalakis is garbage. Martins does over rotate 100%.
We are a couple of levels down on how we used to be - you are right. Took us years to get someone like Cisse to replace Manolas.. I even miss players with the talent Vladamir Weiss had.. I think the best Greek players are Fortounis (although a shadow of what used to be) and Koutris (half Greek, half Brazilian LB who was involved in the infamous stretcher incident years ago). We have signed a tasty winger called Masouras from Panionios:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgos_Masouras
He will be ours from 1st Jan. Rumours are we will give Panionios some of the younger Greeks we are off-loading in return as we only paid Panionios 400k for Masouras - who is easily worth 10 times that..
A good spirited game will be Olympiacos vs Milan next week. We need to win by two goals and we are through.
You should sack Martins instead of let Toure leave O0. It seems that you have made a good deal with Masouras. You should thrown away that Portuguese garbage and bring back Mitroglou and others (Samaris' contract in Benfica is expiring...)
Your European campaign is, by now, disappointing. It is true that you had a tough group according to Europa League standards, yet I was expecting more (especially in the home game against Betis). Although, I hope that you will win Milan by 2 and pass. With Toure on the 11 and scoring both goals! :tocha:
Toure has not looked too good when he has played. However, I would play him cm instead of Bouxa without a doubt.
Yaya is old and probably don't even train like the others.
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Dezembro de 2018, 19:35
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Dezembro de 2018, 15:47
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 06 de Dezembro de 2018, 12:50
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 17:11
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 12:53
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:40
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:28
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:14
So....
It seems the EPO (president is a lifelong PAOK supporter) has decided PAOk will win the championship this year..
OSFP won on Monday... but so did PAOK.. so they are still 6 points ahead.
However, they beat Lamia 0-1 on Monday thanks to ref ignoring the most blatant handball in the box by PAOK in the history of football. The ref saw it.. and decided .. 'meh.. the defender's back was turned - so I will invent a new rule that when your back is turned - it is never a handball' and did not give the penalty for Lamia. Even the PAOK coach admitted it should have been a pen. The ref in question has now been demoted to the football league and not allowed to ref again in the SL.
Here is the handball - by Vieirinha. The PAOK handball was so strong - it diverted the ball miles in the opposite direction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3uUO8QNZe8
That video had a good title :buck2:
Tell me one thing: why Toure is not playing ate Olympiacos? Is he injured?
For me it is weird because he have so few minutes... and I do not see any better player in Olympiacos than Toure...
It's a good question. All I can say is it is down to Martins not thinking he is good enough.
Martins has rotated the team every week. From day 1 - there was only one player who was guaranteed to be the 11. Podence. All other players rotated. The last 3 weeks Cisse has become a starter at CB and it seems martins likes Vukovic as his partner. Sa is now 100% our starting goalkeeper so he has around 4 starters. Add to that he likes very much Buxalakis in the middle - we have 5 starters. He also likes - most of the time.. Guerrero as striker when Hassan is injured. Everyone else is rotated including Fortounis, Koutris etc.
Down to Martins?! Well...I used to see Olympiacos as a team with some good players (the last one, in my opinion, was in 2013/14: Manolas, Holebas, Samaris, Mitroglou, Campbell...), but now when I see third-line players like Podence, Sá, Roderick or Hassan, I feel upset. The same with the coach. You had some good Portuguese coaches and now you had an average one (who else does not put Toure in the 11?!). I know that this crisis is common in Greek football, but that rotating system of Martins does not please me at all. I was happy when Toure was announced and at the time I was thinking that he only needs a month to prepare to assume the first-team place. In my opinion, he is not a player to sat down on the bench or nothing similar.
As for the Greek players, there is anyone good? Don't know that much. You should make an effort and bring back Mitroglou. He is completely lost in Massília.
Yes, there is a chance we can get Mitroglou back - although his wages will be very high. Many players will leave this winter - rumours are Hassan, Vroussai, Fetfa, Nikolaou, Androutsos, Pardo and Toure could all leave. Toure may stay... Personally I would have played him as CM next to Naxto - Bouxalakis is garbage. Martins does over rotate 100%.
We are a couple of levels down on how we used to be - you are right. Took us years to get someone like Cisse to replace Manolas.. I even miss players with the talent Vladamir Weiss had.. I think the best Greek players are Fortounis (although a shadow of what used to be) and Koutris (half Greek, half Brazilian LB who was involved in the infamous stretcher incident years ago). We have signed a tasty winger called Masouras from Panionios:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgos_Masouras
He will be ours from 1st Jan. Rumours are we will give Panionios some of the younger Greeks we are off-loading in return as we only paid Panionios 400k for Masouras - who is easily worth 10 times that..
A good spirited game will be Olympiacos vs Milan next week. We need to win by two goals and we are through.
You should sack Martins instead of let Toure leave O0. It seems that you have made a good deal with Masouras. You should thrown away that Portuguese garbage and bring back Mitroglou and others (Samaris' contract in Benfica is expiring...)
Your European campaign is, by now, disappointing. It is true that you had a tough group according to Europa League standards, yet I was expecting more (especially in the home game against Betis). Although, I hope that you will win Milan by 2 and pass. With Toure on the 11 and scoring both goals! :tocha:
Toure has not looked too good when he has played. However, I would play him cm instead of Bouxa without a doubt.
Yaya is old and probably don't even train like the others.
He has lost a fair bit of pace. Can see it.
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Dezembro de 2018, 19:35
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Dezembro de 2018, 15:47
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 06 de Dezembro de 2018, 12:50
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 17:11
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 12:53
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:40
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:28
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Dezembro de 2018, 00:14
So....
It seems the EPO (president is a lifelong PAOK supporter) has decided PAOk will win the championship this year..
OSFP won on Monday... but so did PAOK.. so they are still 6 points ahead.
However, they beat Lamia 0-1 on Monday thanks to ref ignoring the most blatant handball in the box by PAOK in the history of football. The ref saw it.. and decided .. 'meh.. the defender's back was turned - so I will invent a new rule that when your back is turned - it is never a handball' and did not give the penalty for Lamia. Even the PAOK coach admitted it should have been a pen. The ref in question has now been demoted to the football league and not allowed to ref again in the SL.
Here is the handball - by Vieirinha. The PAOK handball was so strong - it diverted the ball miles in the opposite direction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3uUO8QNZe8
That video had a good title :buck2:
Tell me one thing: why Toure is not playing ate Olympiacos? Is he injured?
For me it is weird because he have so few minutes... and I do not see any better player in Olympiacos than Toure...
It's a good question. All I can say is it is down to Martins not thinking he is good enough.
Martins has rotated the team every week. From day 1 - there was only one player who was guaranteed to be the 11. Podence. All other players rotated. The last 3 weeks Cisse has become a starter at CB and it seems martins likes Vukovic as his partner. Sa is now 100% our starting goalkeeper so he has around 4 starters. Add to that he likes very much Buxalakis in the middle - we have 5 starters. He also likes - most of the time.. Guerrero as striker when Hassan is injured. Everyone else is rotated including Fortounis, Koutris etc.
Down to Martins?! Well...I used to see Olympiacos as a team with some good players (the last one, in my opinion, was in 2013/14: Manolas, Holebas, Samaris, Mitroglou, Campbell...), but now when I see third-line players like Podence, Sá, Roderick or Hassan, I feel upset. The same with the coach. You had some good Portuguese coaches and now you had an average one (who else does not put Toure in the 11?!). I know that this crisis is common in Greek football, but that rotating system of Martins does not please me at all. I was happy when Toure was announced and at the time I was thinking that he only needs a month to prepare to assume the first-team place. In my opinion, he is not a player to sat down on the bench or nothing similar.
As for the Greek players, there is anyone good? Don't know that much. You should make an effort and bring back Mitroglou. He is completely lost in Massília.
Yes, there is a chance we can get Mitroglou back - although his wages will be very high. Many players will leave this winter - rumours are Hassan, Vroussai, Fetfa, Nikolaou, Androutsos, Pardo and Toure could all leave. Toure may stay... Personally I would have played him as CM next to Naxto - Bouxalakis is garbage. Martins does over rotate 100%.
We are a couple of levels down on how we used to be - you are right. Took us years to get someone like Cisse to replace Manolas.. I even miss players with the talent Vladamir Weiss had.. I think the best Greek players are Fortounis (although a shadow of what used to be) and Koutris (half Greek, half Brazilian LB who was involved in the infamous stretcher incident years ago). We have signed a tasty winger called Masouras from Panionios:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgos_Masouras
He will be ours from 1st Jan. Rumours are we will give Panionios some of the younger Greeks we are off-loading in return as we only paid Panionios 400k for Masouras - who is easily worth 10 times that..
A good spirited game will be Olympiacos vs Milan next week. We need to win by two goals and we are through.
You should sack Martins instead of let Toure leave O0. It seems that you have made a good deal with Masouras. You should thrown away that Portuguese garbage and bring back Mitroglou and others (Samaris' contract in Benfica is expiring...)
Your European campaign is, by now, disappointing. It is true that you had a tough group according to Europa League standards, yet I was expecting more (especially in the home game against Betis). Although, I hope that you will win Milan by 2 and pass. With Toure on the 11 and scoring both goals! :tocha:
Toure has not looked too good when he has played. However, I would play him cm instead of Bouxa without a doubt.
Yaya is old and probably don't even train like the others.
Old for the Greek league? Nonsense. And he is far better than the others. Even in 70 % I will always put in on the 11. He only needs to play regularly.
Is there some sort of a rivalry between Italy and Greece and Italians and Greeks? I'm not talking about sports now.
Citação de: Festivus em 08 de Dezembro de 2018, 04:11
Is there some sort of a rivalry between Italy and Greece and Italians and Greeks? I'm not talking about sports now.
Not really, two pseudo communist nations who lament together over the plight of the worker.
I am not sure the Italians respect Greeks too much after years of anti Greek propaganda but there is no hatred there. Italians - many of them do tend to think they are superior to greeks although the Italians do copy Greek styles a fair bit - especially the style of places like Mykonos. The Greeks don't really care either way about Italians - they do however respect their 'style' and Greek women like Italian handbags and things..
PAOK now +8 clear at the top from Olympiacos. The energy in their stadium, their confidence. It seems this will be their 3rd Super League title.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puj8VPBkPZM
Did PAOK get rich suddenly?
Do you think Olympiacos will go through a few bad years?
Citação de: Festivus em 10 de Dezembro de 2018, 04:22
Did PAOK get rich suddenly?
Yes richer than Olympiacos. Here is the PAOK owner profile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug2L_41UP2Q
AEK is the richest, then PAOK, then Olympiacos.
CitaçãoDo you think Olympiacos will go through a few bad years?
It will not be us dominating like before that is certain - no 7 in a row championships like we saw last decade. AEK and PAOK are far stronger than before plus the Greek Syriza Govt and the EPO are both pro PAOK.
And PAO still suck?
Citação de: Festivus em 10 de Dezembro de 2018, 14:05
And PAO still suck?
Well they are a little better financially.. and on the pitch they were excellent this season seeing as they started minus 6 and are basically playing their under 21 side. However, their 3-1 thrashing by OFI yesterday was a tough one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKRUgYWx8LQ
Hard to believe PAOK are strong now considering we beat them 4-1 away.
Citação de: Festivus em 11 de Dezembro de 2018, 05:05
Hard to believe PAOK are strong now considering we beat them 4-1 away.
Shows two things.
1/ Portugal is miles ahead of Greece.
2/ PAOK have got stronger subsequently.
Also with Benfica's excellent thrashing of PAOK, I watched that game, if PAOK were a bit more clinical, the game had the potential to go either way. PAOK were too eager and did not show enough respect to Benfica.
How do you and Greeks in general feel about Russia?
Citação de: Festivus em 20 de Dezembro de 2018, 21:40
How do you and Greeks in general feel about Russia?
Friendly. Russians and serbs are probably seen by most greeks as their best friends.
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Dezembro de 2018, 23:04
Citação de: Festivus em 20 de Dezembro de 2018, 21:40
How do you and Greeks in general feel about Russia?
Friendly. Russians and serbs are probably seen by most greeks as their best friends.
This makes you one of the few countries that doesn't hate Russia ;D
Citação de: Festivus em 20 de Dezembro de 2018, 23:08
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Dezembro de 2018, 23:04
Citação de: Festivus em 20 de Dezembro de 2018, 21:40
How do you and Greeks in general feel about Russia?
Friendly. Russians and serbs are probably seen by most greeks as their best friends.
This makes you one of the few countries that doesn't hate Russia ;D
Yea. Greeks like Russia although Tsipras has badly soured the relationship.
(http://www.pravoslavie.ru/sas/image/102394/239490.p.jpg?mtime=1465987283)
:-X
Citação de: Josef Vierine em 20 de Dezembro de 2018, 23:25
(http://www.pravoslavie.ru/sas/image/102394/239490.p.jpg?mtime=1465987283)
:-X
The true heirs to the Byzantine Empire.
Faliro, what would you consider to be the most similar and the least similar European countries to Greece?
Personally, I'm gonna go on a wild guess and say Russia or Belarus are the least similar ones to Portugal. Or Turkey, Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan if you wanna count those as European. As for counties I've actually visited, well I've never been east of Germany and Austria, and the furthest one I've been to was Sweden. So I'm gonna say one of the Scandinavian countries, or maybe them in general. Not completely alien but clearly there were some key differences, as you can imagine.
Most similar ones is easy. We only border one nation, which is Spain, so there ya go. France and Italy also have some similarities with us, but overall seem more foreign.
Citação de: Festivus em 04 de Janeiro de 2019, 21:38
Faliro, what would you consider to be the most similar and the least similar European countries to Greece?
Personally, I'm gonna go on a wild guess and say Russia or Belarus are the least similar ones to Portugal. Or Turkey, Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan if you wanna count those as European. As for counties I've actually visited, well I've never been east of Germany and Austria, and the furthest one I've been to was Sweden. So I'm gonna say one of the Scandinavian countries, or maybe them in general. Not completely alien but clearly there were some key differences, as you can imagine.
Most similar ones is easy. We only border one nation, which is Spain, so there ya go. France and Italy also have some similarities with us, but overall seem more foreign.
Greece is fairly unique actually. Some towns in Southern Italy closely resemble a few Greek ones, but there are usually instant give-aways that it is not Greece. Most different to Greece? Turkey, slav nations, northern european nations etc. Most similar? Because of the people, no place is really that similar. Parts could pass in Spain, Southern Italy etc visually to an extent but not too much.. but the people and food dont really have an equal. That doesn't mean Greeks are not fond of other nations. For example Greeks really like serbs and russians and to some extent Armenians, Georgians and some christian arabs etc. But for actual similarities - Greece is a bit on its on own. You know the minute you are there that it is not any of its neighbours. The vibe, the language - the Greek alphabet plastered everywhere, the food, the villagers, the atmosphere and scenery etc., Greece is fairly unique.
Around 5 Benfiquistas on here have PMed over the years asking where to go and stay in Greece. They all enjoyed their time there and want to go back. Would be interesting to see what they think in regards to differences between Greece and Portugal in particular.
Citação de: Covenant em 31 de Janeiro de 2019, 12:49
Citação de: Chelas em 31 de Janeiro de 2019, 12:30
(https://i.imgur.com/0xMgvC1.jpg)
Weird guy...
In other news, head of the EPO refereeing - Vítor Manuel Melo Pereira, has appointed the referee for AEK vs PAOK. He will be Michael Tykgaard.
ARIS :cool2:
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Fevereiro de 2019, 19:44
ARIS :cool2:
Could have beaten PAOK yesterday with more luck.. Def in Europe as PAO are in free-fall.
They play with big passion and have the fans to back them. They dont want PAOK to get to 3 championships titles - which is what Aris are on. Aris dont actually have a bad team either - they always build teams around attack. Greek football suffered when they were relegated those years back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_I-HSP_CWA
Aris needs some backing to compete even further. That and a Director of Football / coach from a certain iberian country... :coolsmiley:
Is that shit league system going further?
Citação de: Calcio em 25 de Fevereiro de 2019, 19:08
Aris needs some backing to compete even further. That and a Director of Football / coach from a certain iberian country... :coolsmiley:
Is that shit league system going further?
Sadly yes. Everything the Communists touch dissolves. They just gave away 'Macedonian identity' and now are working out how to destroy what little is left of greek football. This season 4 teams will be relegated.. The aim to is end up with a mini league of 6 teams.. :crazy2:
As for Aris, I agree. They need an owner richer than Karipidis.They also need to upgrade the rest of their stadium. The main centre stand is new the but the rest is bits and pieces added over the years and should be unified properly. The stadium is currently 22,800 seats. With a proper redesign I think it could be nearer 30k. They could easily double tier around most the stadium - copying the model from the main new stand.
(https://arisfc.com.gr/images/home/home4.jpg)
(https://i.snag.gy/cj016p.jpg)
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/cada76221389021d81eb676cb51bfbe4/5CD0EAF3/t51.2885-15/e35/c83.0.413.413/49722024_779575852377546_6031303579660297351_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram.com)
(https://ak0.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/33254320/thumb/1.jpg)
Upper tier developing fast now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq90z_tciIk
June the first parts of the roof will arrive from Italy.
PAOK will win this easily.
Any updates in Panathinaikos situation? New owner or New stadium?
:bandeira2:
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Março de 2019, 03:07
PAOK will win this easily.
Any updates in Panathinaikos situation? New owner or New stadium?
Yes, PAOK will win this season. >:(
As for PAO, their idiot owner Alafouzos is making no effort to sell the club. The weird Thai deal died. Another idiot, Giannakopolous, an egoist who owns PAO BC, the very successful basketball division of PAO, he is still pushing his plan to move panathinaikos Football Club to the Olympic Stadium. His plans include the Olympic Stadium site being rebuilt in its totality with a new 40,000 seater stadium for Panathinaikos Football Club. He is currently lobbying the deal with the Trotskyist Greek government, a deal which is in reality a massive property deal involving state owned land and nothing more.
Here is AEK's stadium yesterday:
(https://z-p3-scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/53746349_2751582981549829_7016336957898752000_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ht=z-p3-scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=7dd8b31037d60e2c2c51233c0dee754b&oe=5D24CADD)
When AEW stadium will be ready?
Thanks for the information my friend.
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Março de 2019, 12:30
When AEW stadium will be ready?
Thanks for the information my friend.
In reality the stadium should be ready December. In the greek reality (communism, heavy bureaucracy, strikes etc) the head of the project said it will be ready for the 2020/2021 season even though most of the thing including stands and roof will be completed this summer.. :crazy2:
In the next few months the stadium will be sealed and the stadium's roof will be added. It is being made in Italy.
The head of the project stated due to ticket sales they decided on a 32,000 seater. Therefore many AEK fans will now have to watch games from home as they sell over 40k tickets currently for derbies and european games. Seems everyone is reducing capacities these days. I read yesterday the new San Siro will be reduced to 60k from 80k.
Panathinaikos - to avoid the -3 punishment for not finishing the game - are going to claim it was the German ref's fault for stopping the game on the 70th minute due to the pitch invasion!! :rir: :rir: :rir:
The other -3 for firebombing police outside the stadium is indefensible as there is plenty of video evidence.
So if all goes to plan and the correct judgements are given - PAO will receive -6 points which will put them on 26 points. This will put them in the relegation battle and hopefully they go down.
(https://i.snag.gy/ezK4kN.jpg)
It should be noted they began the season with -6 too. So all in all - they would have received -12 this season for illegalities.
ARIS making the push for the last Europa spot is very nice to see. Hopefully they get there and upgrade their aging squad.
Citação de: Calcio em 20 de Março de 2019, 13:40
ARIS making the push for the last Europa spot is very nice to see. Hopefully they get there and upgrade their aging squad.
Yes to both. They have demolished certain team this year. Their last game another 5-0 win.
I think they are there in Europe. I don't think Panaitolikos will catch them now. I also think they will upgrade their team. Some of their team even got NT call ups like Valerianos last week. They always acquire a bunch of new players every new season. Their coach is quite good too. The big point for me is whether they will be able to hold on to Mateo Garcia - but I read somewhere his buy-out is only 1 million! So they should be able to keep him. He is excellent. Fetfatzidis is also there now and scored last game for them. He will be important for them next season. Olympiacos actually may want their CM captain Fran Velez and it seems we are very close to him:
https://www.sportime.gr/olimpiakos/poli-konta-se-fran-veleth-o-olimpiakos/
Aris are a good club. Always attack. Good fans. Interesting if not bizarre stadium.. They are a welcome addition. Seeing as Panathinaikos will hopefully get relegated soon, they are set to take that spot left vacant.
Mateo's clause in FM is 1,5M€ if that helps! ;D
Citação de: Calcio em 20 de Março de 2019, 17:39
Mateo's clause in FM is 1,5M€ if that helps! ;D
Insane.
Easily of the best players in the entire country this year and still only 22. 8 goals and could have had more. Can play anywhere in the attacking line. 6th down is him:
(https://i.snag.gy/VUWBTg.jpg)
Aris are so cash strapped they are wondering if they can even afford the buy-out! I think they will sell some players to keep others.
Leo Jaba and Limnios are good players? I only remember Pelkas, and he was good.
Citação de: Schweisen Tiger em 21 de Março de 2019, 09:10
Leo Jaba and Limnios are good players? I only remember Pelkas, and he was good.
Pelkas is now used more sporadically. He is not consistant enough. Some games he dominates - running through the middle of opposing teams and finding space deep in their halves. Other games - he is quiet.
Leo Jaba is probably too good for PAOK. Solid player. Makes danger. Fast. Strong. Can score. Can waltz past opposition players easily. A fighter. All this and he is only 20.
Limnios was a starter for much of the season. Not a bad young player. Fairly fast winger who can score but for me not good enough for a club like Olympiacos.
I guess PAO are going through their worst period in history atm?
Citação de: Festivus em 21 de Março de 2019, 20:30
I guess PAO are going through their worst period in history atm?
Yes. Worst period in their history. Easily.
Judges however and media are artificially keeping them in the league the last few years as Aris and Iraklis have pointed out. They should have got minus 6 points for the abandoned game vs us last weekend, but the bribed judge saved them today. No punishment for the fans inside the stadium!!! Only a -3 for petrol bombings against police outside the stadium!!
Invading olympiacos bench with knives - no punishment.
Pitch invasion to stop game - no punishment.
Clashes with police inside stadium - no punishment.
Judge said ref was wrong to stop game!
Game to be continued from 70th minute!!!
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Março de 2019, 20:18
Citação de: Festivus em 21 de Março de 2019, 20:30
I guess PAO are going through their worst period in history atm?
Yes. Worst period in their history. Easily.
Judges however and media are artificially keeping them in the league the last few years as Aris and Iraklis have pointed out. They should have got minus 6 points for the abandoned game vs us last weekend, but the bribed judge saved them today. No punishment for the fans inside the stadium!!! Only a -3 for petrol bombings against police outside the stadium!!
Invading olympiacos bench with knives - no punishment.
Pitch invasion to stop game - no punishment.
Clashes with police inside stadium - no punishment.
Judge said ref was wrong to stop game!
Game to be continued from 70th minute!!!
Sportign in Portugal have also been going through a lot of trouble in the past 20 years or so. I mean, in the last 40 years they only won the league 4 times. Two of them in 1980 and 1982 already. Then they only won it again in 2000 and shortly afterwards in 2002. Since then, nothing. If they don't win the league this season, they'll tie their historic record of not winning the league for 17 consecutive seasons. I honestly think that, at this point, they're gonna stay at least 20 consecutive seasons without winning the league. perhaps they'll even get close to 30.
Hard to say which period of theirs was worst. From 1982 to 2000 they actually had some seasons where they had some pretty good teams, especially since a big part of that drought was encompassed by the pre-Bosman ruling days still. From 2002 to today not so much. Their teams from 2002/2003 to 2008/2009 were ok but nothing too special. Always lacking something. Their From 2009/2010 to 2012/2013 Sporting became a bigger joke and finished in embarrassing positions like 4th and 7th(their worst ever). Their best team this decade was their 15/16 team with Jesus as their manager, but yet they couldn't take the championship from us.
Sporting are very irregular overall and even when they have good teams they always have visible weak spots. They also usually have less money than Benfica and Porto, since they've been ran by very incompetent presidents in the past 40 years or so. They also haven't won two championships in a row since... 1953/1954.
Look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Portuguese_football_champions
I dunno how a Sporting fan can remain proud of his club...
Citação de: Festivus em 22 de Março de 2019, 21:21
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Março de 2019, 20:18
Citação de: Festivus em 21 de Março de 2019, 20:30
I guess PAO are going through their worst period in history atm?
Yes. Worst period in their history. Easily.
Judges however and media are artificially keeping them in the league the last few years as Aris and Iraklis have pointed out. They should have got minus 6 points for the abandoned game vs us last weekend, but the bribed judge saved them today. No punishment for the fans inside the stadium!!! Only a -3 for petrol bombings against police outside the stadium!!
Invading olympiacos bench with knives - no punishment.
Pitch invasion to stop game - no punishment.
Clashes with police inside stadium - no punishment.
Judge said ref was wrong to stop game!
Game to be continued from 70th minute!!!
Sportign in Portugal have also been going through a lot of trouble in the past 20 years or so. I mean, in the last 40 years they only won the league 4 times. Two of them in 1980 and 1982 already. Then they only won it again in 2000 and shortly afterwards in 2002. Since then, nothing. If they don't win the league this season, they'll tie their historic record of not winning the league for 17 consecutive seasons. I honestly think that, at this point, they're gonna stay at least 20 consecutive seasons without winning the league. perhaps they'll even get close to 30.
Hard to say which period of theirs was worst. From 1982 to 2000 they actually had some seasons where they had some pretty good teams, especially since a big part of that drought was encompassed by the pre-Bosman ruling days still. From 2002 to today not so much. Their teams from 2002/2003 to 2008/2009 were ok but nothing too special. Always lacking something. Their From 2009/2010 to 2012/2013 Sporting became a bigger joke and finished in embarrassing positions like 4th and 7th(their worst ever). Their best team this decade was their 15/16 team with Jesus as their manager, but yet they couldn't take the championship from us.
Sporting are very irregular overall and even when they have good teams they always have visible weak spots. They also usually have less money than Benfica and Porto, since they've been ran by very incompetent presidents in the past 40 years or so. They also haven't won two championships in a row since... 1953/1954.
Look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Portuguese_football_champions
I dunno how a Sporting fan can remain proud of his club...
It is a very good description. We have often compared Sporting to Panathinaikos on here - and it seems the connections go beyond very similar fans and very similar colours. I would venture Panathinaikos were once an actual power in Greece and dominated but that is in the past now. A succession of terrible owners sunk the team and their pot-head fans did the rest. They should have been relegated around 2-3 times, but Olympiacos saved them to keep the league competitive. Clubs like Iraklis with a fraction of PAO's debt were relegated however and this shows how Greece works.
I actually watched sporting a few times over the years in Europe, they used to have a player I admired called Barbosa.
Our media said Vlachodimos and Samaris helped Greece win. Did you watch the game?
Citação de: Festivus em 24 de Março de 2019, 14:52
Our media said Vlachodimos and Samaris helped Greece win. Did you watch the game?
Saw about 40 mins of it. The two Benfica boys played well. Was relieved Vlacho is now the starting keeper for Greece. He is the best keeper we have.
As for the rest, the best players in the game were Donis, Fortounis and Kourbelis. Donis's goal particularly impressive (2.11):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fwQ2yZB6Io
Sadly we have players in the 11 - so genuinely bad - they would not be able to get contracts for clubs in the Portuguese second division, Bakasetas being the stand out unbelievably weak player in the game.
(https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/54519577_2165488146872614_3519402257969840128_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo1-1.fna&oh=1d9aacf8f5f91d53a0337205e5616557&oe=5D47ACCB)
Is this the new Aris logo?
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Março de 2019, 19:04
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Is this the new Aris logo?
That is the original ARIS logo from 1914 until the 1970s. I doubt they would ever drop the 'God of War' logo they currently have. Too many of their fans have it as a tattoo for one thing.. ;D
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Março de 2019, 20:20
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Março de 2019, 19:04
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Is this the new Aris logo?
That is the original ARIS logo from 1914 until the 1970s. I doubt they would ever drop the 'God of War' logo they currently have. Too many of their fans have it as a tattoo for one thing.. ;D
They changed their Facebook page to this. It's also their birthday I think.
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Março de 2019, 20:30
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Março de 2019, 20:20
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Março de 2019, 19:04
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Is this the new Aris logo?
That is the original ARIS logo from 1914 until the 1970s. I doubt they would ever drop the 'God of War' logo they currently have. Too many of their fans have it as a tattoo for one thing.. ;D
They changed their Facebook page to this. It's also their birthday I think.
Yes. On birthdays Greek clubs often use their original logos. A while back Panionios (founded in 1890) even put their beautiful original blue and white logo back on their shirts.
(https://cloud10.todocoleccion.online/camisetas-futbol/tc/2018/08/31/16/132087130.jpg)
(http://www.calciatori-online.com/images/articoli/alvaro-recoba-panionios-grecia.jpg)
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Março de 2019, 20:30
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Março de 2019, 20:20
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Março de 2019, 19:04
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Is this the new Aris logo?
That is the original ARIS logo from 1914 until the 1970s. I doubt they would ever drop the 'God of War' logo they currently have. Too many of their fans have it as a tattoo for one thing.. ;D
They changed their Facebook page to this. It's also their birthday I think.
Yip, 105 years old today.
https://www.sport24.gr/Files/arhs-o-theos-toy-polemoy-egine-104-etwn.5471851.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZeX40NEYbk
(https://i.snag.gy/PT7AHf.jpg)
Final table.
Was a terrible season. One of the worst as a spectacle. The violence was there as usual, but this time infused with the communist SYRIZA government who don't really understand football or even the concept of sport in general.
Next season, SYRIZA forced the league to reduce again, this time to only 14 teams. That will not be enough games to keep any type of spectacle - so the thinking now is a bizarre playoff section of the league half way through.. :crazy2:
Positives? Very very few. Obvious one is AEK will have their new small stadium next season - here is the current progress - roof goes on at the end of summer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3gybV7ZNE
Other positives? PAOK may get a new stadium in the next few years. VAR will be implemented next season. Aris are back - thrashed Xanthi 7-2 today. :estrelas: They will be in the Europa League Quals - hope they qualify.
In general terms the league will continue to get smaller with the help of Syriza. Less games, less money, violence as strong as ever - disorganisation as strong as ever and not much to attract the better the players or even managers.
As for now. The Cup final - AEK vs PAOK will be played in an empty OAKA on orders of SYRIZA.. :crazy2:
OFI will play local rivals Platanias to see who gets into next season's super league. Volos get automatic promotion and may merge with Olympiakos Volou. All in all, this season was a waste of time and deeply embarrassing for Greece and the Syriza government they thought it would be a good idea to elect. Not sure I will watch much of next season. Before, there was always intrigue - always interest - even at a basic level - however the league now is basically dead.
So Paok ended the league with no losses at all. Is it a first time in Greece?
Citação de: Arceus_17 em 06 de Maio de 2019, 07:08
So Paok ended the league with no losses at all. Is it a first time in Greece?
Last team to do that were panathinaikos in 1964.
Nothing New about Panathinaikos?
Citação de: Covenant em 06 de Maio de 2019, 18:16
Nothing New about Panathinaikos?
Reduced their debt from 50 million to 20 million this season by spending nothing. Still have that stupid owner who pretends he is selling but has no intention of selling. Next season will be the same. Youth team 11 and saving money like mad.
They will continue to play at the OAKA too. Leoforos is just being left to rot. The property should be sold as part of the Votanikos stadium deal, but no one at the club has the brains or motivation.
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Maio de 2019, 18:19
Citação de: Covenant em 06 de Maio de 2019, 18:16
Nothing New about Panathinaikos?
Reduced their debt from 50 million to 20 million this season by spending nothing. Still have that stupid owner who pretends he is selling but has no intention of selling. Next season will be the same. Youth team 11 and saving money like mad.
They will continue to play at the OAKA too. Leoforos is just being left to rot. The property should be sold as part of the Votanikos stadium deal, but no one at the club has the brains or motivation.
At least their financial situation is better. The rest is Panathinaikos as usual.
Citação de: Covenant em 06 de Maio de 2019, 18:22
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Maio de 2019, 18:19
Citação de: Covenant em 06 de Maio de 2019, 18:16
Nothing New about Panathinaikos?
Reduced their debt from 50 million to 20 million this season by spending nothing. Still have that stupid owner who pretends he is selling but has no intention of selling. Next season will be the same. Youth team 11 and saving money like mad.
They will continue to play at the OAKA too. Leoforos is just being left to rot. The property should be sold as part of the Votanikos stadium deal, but no one at the club has the brains or motivation.
At least their financial situation is better. The rest is Panathinaikos as usual.
Yes. To be honest, they were lucky not to get relegated they spent so little. So many games they were debuting some 17 or 18 year old. Last game it was Vangelis Theocharis making his debut. Just a constant youth 11. The club just seems to be heading into oblivion which is sad in a way. It is the only Greek club to ever make it to a European Club final.
Aris's final game of the season, a 7-2 thrashing of Xanthi. Fans after the final whistle showing their dedication to the club and players:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFIQmx_8Rzo
One of the few bright things to happen this season. The return of Aris.
Citação de: Gottschalk em 06 de Outubro de 2014, 02:18
Citação de: Calcio em 20 de Março de 2019, 13:40
Byzantine influenced arched windows that will circumnavigate the arena now being added to AEK's new stadium:
https://youtu.be/-CQ1JJxeYKQ?t=815
This place will be a very hot stadium.
Is PAOK's recent success sustainable?
Citação de: Gottschalk em 23 de Maio de 2019, 22:44
Is PAOK's recent success sustainable?
Remember when AEK won it in 2018? Tiger - the owner of AEK worth €4 billion - refused to give any raises so most the team - including the manager just left. So this season they finished 3rd..
Well PAOK the last week has gone the same way after wining the double. Their main central defender since 2016 - Fernando Varela - just left - wasn't offered enough money..
Today they lost Yevhen Shakhov - again there since 2016 - and again, instrumental to their success..
They may be able to replace them... but it wont be easy and this season we plan to outspend PAOK.
AEK sack Jiminez for absolutely no reason.
Portuguese coach Miguel Cardoso favourite.
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 00:43
AEK sack Jiminez for absolutely no reason.
Portuguese coach Miguel Cardoso favourite.
Let's see what he can do, he has a nice football proposal. But has not had much success outside of Portugal.
Citação de: InteriorEsquerdo em 26 de Maio de 2019, 14:04
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 00:43
AEK sack Jiminez for absolutely no reason.
Portuguese coach Miguel Cardoso favourite.
Let's see what he can do, he has a nice football proposal. But has not had much success outside of Portugal.
What type of teams does he build?
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 14:31
Citação de: InteriorEsquerdo em 26 de Maio de 2019, 14:04
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 00:43
AEK sack Jiminez for absolutely no reason.
Portuguese coach Miguel Cardoso favourite.
Let's see what he can do, he has a nice football proposal. But has not had much success outside of Portugal.
What type of teams does he build?
Teams that want to dominate, want to have the ball, very competent first construction phase. Defending with a high line, with stong reaction to the loss, zonal defending and all the good stuff. But well Idk how he has improve implementing this ideas, he has them but implementing it is another thing. He needs good players for this as well. But his contruction phase is top tier, that he already prove in Rio Ave here.
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 00:43
AEK sack Jiminez for absolutely no reason.
Portuguese coach Miguel Cardoso favourite.
How patient is Tiger nowadays?
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Maio de 2019, 16:50
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 00:43
AEK sack Jiminez for absolutely no reason.
Portuguese coach Miguel Cardoso favourite.
How patient is Tiger nowadays?
Zero patience. Someone even looks at him wrong, they are out. He is also extremely tight.
Citação de: InteriorEsquerdo em 26 de Maio de 2019, 16:37
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 14:31
Citação de: InteriorEsquerdo em 26 de Maio de 2019, 14:04
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 00:43
AEK sack Jiminez for absolutely no reason.
Portuguese coach Miguel Cardoso favourite.
Let's see what he can do, he has a nice football proposal. But has not had much success outside of Portugal.
What type of teams does he build?
Teams that want to dominate, want to have the ball, very competent first construction phase. Defending with a high line, with stong reaction to the loss, zonal defending and all the good stuff. But well Idk how he has improve implementing this ideas, he has them but implementing it is another thing. He needs good players for this as well. But his contruction phase is top tier, that he already prove in Rio Ave here.
Excellent explanation, thank you.
O0
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 18:13
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Maio de 2019, 16:50
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 00:43
AEK sack Jiminez for absolutely no reason.
Portuguese coach Miguel Cardoso favourite.
How patient is Tiger nowadays?
Zero patience. Someone even looks at him wrong, they are out. He is also extremely tight.
:2funny:
One week worth of employment it is.
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 18:14
Citação de: InteriorEsquerdo em 26 de Maio de 2019, 16:37
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 14:31
Citação de: InteriorEsquerdo em 26 de Maio de 2019, 14:04
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 00:43
AEK sack Jiminez for absolutely no reason.
Portuguese coach Miguel Cardoso favourite.
Let's see what he can do, he has a nice football proposal. But has not had much success outside of Portugal.
What type of teams does he build?
Teams that want to dominate, want to have the ball, very competent first construction phase. Defending with a high line, with stong reaction to the loss, zonal defending and all the good stuff. But well Idk how he has improve implementing this ideas, he has them but implementing it is another thing. He needs good players for this as well. But his contruction phase is top tier, that he already prove in Rio Ave here.
Excellent explanation, thank you.
O0
He is the type of coach like Paulo Fonseca and Vitor Pereira. The last one had a tough time in Hellas if you well remember. Fun times. ;D
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Maio de 2019, 18:21
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 18:13
Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Maio de 2019, 16:50
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 00:43
AEK sack Jiminez for absolutely no reason.
Portuguese coach Miguel Cardoso favourite.
How patient is Tiger nowadays?
Zero patience. Someone even looks at him wrong, they are out. He is also extremely tight.
:2funny:
One week worth of employment it is.
Funny thing is the Greek media constantly try and work the 'Marinakis is a drug lord' angle because of that boat found with heroine. However Savvidis is the one having to stop himself drawing an automatic weapon on a ref in the middle of the pitch in the middle of a game.. Tiger is the one threatening to blow up reporter's wives and children.. read the controversy section..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitris_Melissanidis
Anyways, anorther portuguese manager to have adventures in Hellas. Wonder if Miguel will last to see his team return to Agia Sofia Stadium in Christmas.
Citação de: InteriorEsquerdo em 26 de Maio de 2019, 18:25
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 18:14
Citação de: InteriorEsquerdo em 26 de Maio de 2019, 16:37
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 14:31
Citação de: InteriorEsquerdo em 26 de Maio de 2019, 14:04
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 00:43
AEK sack Jiminez for absolutely no reason.
Portuguese coach Miguel Cardoso favourite.
Let's see what he can do, he has a nice football proposal. But has not had much success outside of Portugal.
What type of teams does he build?
Teams that want to dominate, want to have the ball, very competent first construction phase. Defending with a high line, with stong reaction to the loss, zonal defending and all the good stuff. But well Idk how he has improve implementing this ideas, he has them but implementing it is another thing. He needs good players for this as well. But his contruction phase is top tier, that he already prove in Rio Ave here.
Excellent explanation, thank you.
O0
He is the type of coach like Paulo Fonseca and Vitor Pereira. The last one had a tough time in Hellas if you well remember. Fun times. ;D
Vitor had balls. He was not completely unpopular.
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 18:38
Citação de: InteriorEsquerdo em 26 de Maio de 2019, 18:25
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 18:14
Citação de: InteriorEsquerdo em 26 de Maio de 2019, 16:37
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 14:31
Citação de: InteriorEsquerdo em 26 de Maio de 2019, 14:04
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2019, 00:43
AEK sack Jiminez for absolutely no reason.
Portuguese coach Miguel Cardoso favourite.
Let's see what he can do, he has a nice football proposal. But has not had much success outside of Portugal.
What type of teams does he build?
Teams that want to dominate, want to have the ball, very competent first construction phase. Defending with a high line, with stong reaction to the loss, zonal defending and all the good stuff. But well Idk how he has improve implementing this ideas, he has them but implementing it is another thing. He needs good players for this as well. But his contruction phase is top tier, that he already prove in Rio Ave here.
Excellent explanation, thank you.
O0
He is the type of coach like Paulo Fonseca and Vitor Pereira. The last one had a tough time in Hellas if you well remember. Fun times. ;D
Vitor had balls. He was not completely unpopular.
Oh that he has. "He was not completely unpopular." Good to know. O0
The newspaper "Record" say that the agreement is made, Miguel Cardoso will be the next AEK coach.
Citação de: Unpopular Opinion em 27 de Maio de 2019, 16:15
The newspaper "Record" say that the agreement is made, Miguel Cardoso will be the next AEK coach.
Yes, two year contract and he brings his whole team: Nuno Baptista, Daniel Coreira, Antonio Calado and Francisco Costa.
(http://s2.aek365.com/uploads/articles/images/9/9c3c210fb0e33b72bb3ab2b7c065ca4d_658647.jpg)
I wonder if he will last long enough to coach AEK in their new stadium which is completed in around half a year.
(https://www.aekfc.gr/uploads/images/122843/neos-proponitis-tis-aek-o-migkel-karntoso-denlarge.jpg?lm=ad534bd78f51165dbc8fed6d466272cb)
"spalletti from Caxinas" :D
tiki-taka wanna be, du know aek squad, so can't say if it will work
Varela will stay :metal:
Who do you guys expect to win the next few Greek championships?
Citação de: Festivus em 28 de Maio de 2019, 21:40
Who do you guys expect to win the next few Greek championships?
Too soon.
Rooting for Panachaiki to win it ... one day :)
Citação de: Festivus em 28 de Maio de 2019, 21:40
Who do you guys expect to win the next few Greek championships?
I think (at this early stage) it will between Olympiacos and PAOK. Who knows - if the AEK coach hits the ground running - they might do something, but their budget is currently half that of Olympiacos and PAOK. AEK's new stadium could have been a major factor but it will not be ready this year.
The league will only be 14 teams with a hated play-off system at the end - forced in by the Syriza communist Government. This is amusing because the only thing Greeks have ever agreed on - in my lifetime - is their universal hatred of the play-off system that they removed a few years ago. Well it is back..
The next 3 weeks - a lot more will be come clear as the signings come in. The team that spends the most has the best chance.
Citação de: wire em 28 de Maio de 2019, 22:16
Rooting for Panachaiki to win it ... one day :)
In my life I have lost count if how many people have stated this team is the biggest underachiever in Hellas.. This team should in reality be the biggest team in the Peloponnese. 3rd biggest city in Greece, very passionate fans... despicable administration.
(https://d1yjjnpx0p53s8.cloudfront.net/styles/logo-thumbnail/s3/112017/panahaiki_ge_patras_2017_-_.gif?Bb2.9ykUlFL_foYsm6z0TpRzWGg4Pw3m&itok=_sOabLDc)
So they're pretty much the Bayer Leverkusen of Greece, eh? Interesting.
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Maio de 2019, 05:13
So they're pretty much the Bayer Leverkusen of Greece, eh? Interesting.
Yes, but with all the financial muscle and organisation of a 3rd division provincial Portuguese club..
Bizarrely they seemed to have changed hands this week:
https://www.patrasevents.gr/article/417694-polithike-i-pae-panaxaiki-ston-saki-kalogeropoulo
These type of teams never seem to do much.. Asteras Tripolis is the biggest team in the Peloponnese these days - despite coming from the 3rd biggest city in the Peloponnese with hardly any fans. It is a disgrace to Greek football that Kalamata and Panaxaiki languish in the forth and second divisions respectfully.. however there are so many disgraces in Greek football.. this ranks pretty low..
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Maio de 2019, 12:46
What's PAO's current situation regarding ownership?
Wikipedia still has the greek guy has chairman. ;D
Any league news worth sharing?
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Maio de 2019, 16:43
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Maio de 2019, 12:46
What's PAO's current situation regarding ownership?
Wikipedia still has the greek guy has chairman. ;D
Any league news worth sharing?
The Thai who was on the verge of buying PAO ran away at the last minute. So Alafouzos still owns the thing. But here is where it gets interesting. The owner of the successful basketball section of Panathinaikos is this idiot, Giannakopoulos:
(https://scontent.flhr1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60947202_424523071461132_8217393518201536512_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr1-2.fna&oh=210b1703fbe5c48cabc1406906e8c7d9&oe=5D553823)
He has now positioned himself as head of the 'amateur club.' This is key because they really control the club at a certain level. He is now starting to realise his idiotic idea of redeveloping the OAKA into a PAO village is finished. So now he is looking to Votanikos where the permissions are still active (from 2009!!) to build PAO a 42k stadium designed by Manuel Salgado.
(http://stadiumdb.com/pic-projects/votanikos_arena/votanikos_arena10.jpg)
This project - if it goes ahead will lift the Greek league several levels. They want the same funding model AEK and PAOK were given. Part state, part loans. Maybe Dimitri - if you are listening - you should go back to Manuel Salgado and get updated designs. The current design is over a decade old and I am sure he can do better now.
In other news, the league is down 14 teams with stupid playoffs reintroduced by the communists. UEFA and FIFA can ban Greece for government interference but frankly I think even they are tired of Greece and realise it is not worth the paperwork.
Semedo seems 90% complete for Olympiacos. Germans sniffing around our CB Cisse. We are looking at Facundo Ferreyra again..
AEK have claimed they will give new Portuguese coach Cardoso full power over transfers and final say over who remains in the squad. AEK made around 20 million net from the CL last season - 15 million of that was pumped back into the new stadium immediately.
PAO will continue to run on a zero budget of youth players to continue paying off their debt which they already halved last season.
Aris are very poor but trying to build a team that will hold its head high in the Europa Cup.
OFI Crete won their play-off with Platanias - (stunning game btw) and remain in the SL. This is positive.
The league chugs on - broken, battered, poor - but it still crawls forward. Last season was the highest ticket sales in years. People still attending games.. just about. With AEK's stadium finished next year, PAOK's stadium started next year and maybe PAO's new stadium too - the league will dominate the region. Until these stadia are upgraded, the Greek league will languish. These stadiums should have been upgraded 20 years ago..
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Maio de 2019, 18:21
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Maio de 2019, 16:43
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Maio de 2019, 12:46
What's PAO's current situation regarding ownership?
Wikipedia still has the greek guy has chairman. ;D
Any league news worth sharing?
The Thai who was on the verge of buying PAO ran away at the last minute.
Classic. :rir:
build PAO a 42k stadium
I don't like PAO, but this would be good for the league.
Semedo seems 90% complete for Olympiacos. We are looking at Facundo Ferreyra again..
Semedo would be quality in Greece, but his personal problems...
If you pay Ferreyra's wages I think he would go. With good wingers he would probably fire up the league too.
AEK have claimed they will give new Portuguese coach Cardoso full power over transfers and final say over who remains in the squad.
Any idea of what's the available budget?
PAO will continue to run on a zero budget of youth players to continue paying off their debt which they already halved last season.
I guess that's cool.
Aris are very poor but trying to build a team that will hold its head high in the Europa Cup.
Still need to get a portuguese manager in! ;)
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Maio de 2019, 18:43
Any idea of what's the available budget?
Ambiguous..
Tiger is not supposed to own AEK and OPAP (the biggest gambling company in Europe) at the same time.. Therefore he can't be seen to be funding AEK..
Seems the budget is peanuts. Far behind PAOK and Olympiacos. They are trying to buy-out Ponce (they have until June 15th to activate the purchase option on the loan - €6 million for 70% ownership, €7 million for 80%). Galo is gone. Cardoso will have to decide if he wants AEK target Sebastian Holmén who seems to have a 3 year oral agreement with AEK.
(https://scontent.flhr1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61480247_2926385970736195_6502206832579182592_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr1-2.fna&oh=e16e6dfd41b9d6d908bbb9293a89ad52&oe=5D621D90)
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Maio de 2019, 18:43
If you pay Ferreyra's wages I think he would go. With good wingers he would probably fire up the league too.
Would be happy to have this guy at the club. We have a good relationship with Benfica so there is a chance.
Yet another Portuguese coach enters the Greek Super League - this time for the well run club Panaitolikos.
Luis Castro signed a 3 year contract and brought on board his entire Portuguese team.
(https://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5526088.ece/BINARY/w620/c2-750x424.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Maio de 2019, 21:05
Yet another Portuguese coach enters the Greek Super League - this time for the well run club Panaitolikos.
Luis Castro signed a 3 year contract and brought on board his entire Portuguese team.
(https://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5526088.ece/BINARY/w620/c2-750x424.jpg)
Our board apparently recommended Panaitolikos to hire him. We have a formal relantionship with them and we will supposedly send 3 players on loan there.
Good thing you posted this because I forgot... What can we tell us about this club? :)
Citação de: Calcio em 30 de Maio de 2019, 21:28
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Maio de 2019, 21:05
Yet another Portuguese coach enters the Greek Super League - this time for the well run club Panaitolikos.
Luis Castro signed a 3 year contract and brought on board his entire Portuguese team.
(https://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5526088.ece/BINARY/w620/c2-750x424.jpg)
Our board apparently recommended Panaitolikos to hire him. We have a formal relantionship with them and we will supposedly send 3 players on loan there.
Good thing you posted this because I forgot... What can we tell us about this club? :)
Yes, I didn't post at the time but a few weeks ago there were a few articles from Greece stating that Panaitolikos is basically going to be Benfica B from next season. As you stated formal agreements have been made and this seems a fairly serious arrangement. There are already two Benfica loan players there who played for them last season; Guga and Amaral. They also have another Portuguese player not associated with Benfica: Frederico Duarte. The Panaitolikos academy manager is Luciano - an Olympiacos favourite from a while ago.
The team.
(https://thumb.resfu.com/img_data/escudos/medium/6377.jpg?size=240x&4)
Panaitolikos is a highly professional Greek team. Well run, organised but also fairly provincial. Their team attacks well and does not play to grind out results. Heavy latin style and a good set of fans.
The Stadium.
Small but good. They will refurbish the outside of it this summer. They are already refurbing the interior and adding a museum.
(https://www.agriniopress.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/sup-panai-gipedo-640x405.jpg)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/18/09/10/120225.jpg)
The city.
Small - around 100,000 people in Western Greece:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/Agrinio%2C_Etolio-Acarnania_Prefecture%2C_Greece_-_city_by_evening.jpg/600px-Agrinio%2C_Etolio-Acarnania_Prefecture%2C_Greece_-_city_by_evening.jpg)
All in all very adventageous for both Benfica and Panaitolikos.
Cardoso of AEK is looking at getting:
Diogo Viana (Belenenses)
Francisco Geraldes (Sporting)
Daniele Verde (Valladolid)
Nélson Monte (Rio Ave)
Samuel Grandsir (Monaco)
Rodrigo (ex Chaves)
Pre-Cardodo rumour: Patrick Twumasi (Alaves). Cardoso has final say.
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He has released Alef.
He told AEK to cancel the oral agreement with Sebastian Holmén.
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Rumours Mandalos is bored of AEK and wants to leave.
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Junho de 2019, 13:22
Cardoso of AEK is looking at getting:
Diogo Viana (Belenenses) heh
Francisco Geraldes (Sporting) forever one for the future
Daniele Verde (Valladolid) good player
Nélson Monte (Rio Ave) don't know
Samuel Grandsir (Monaco) ^
Rodrigo (ex Chaves) Porto supposedly also interested good player
Pre-Cardodo rumour: Patrick Twumasi (Alaves). Cardoso has final say. no clue
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He has released Alef. Mendes player shit one too
He told AEK to cancel the oral agreement with Sebastian Holmén. might be a mistake
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Rumours Mandalos is bored of AEK and wants to leave. Interesting
Citação de: Calcio em 02 de Junho de 2019, 15:20
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Junho de 2019, 13:22
Yuri Ribeiro to AEK?
That fits their type. From what I have seen, they are looking to spend very little this summer. Tiger is firmly in the camp - 'it is not what you spend on players - it is the passion they show.' Translated - 'I will spend less than PAOK and Olympiacos and make excuses when I come 3rd again...'
Really chilled out video taken at day break of their stadium:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwIJ1L0ZD0
The league continues to become more Portuguese by the day..
AEK sign Paulinho Mota.
Greece lost yesterday but started the game losing because it was played in the Olympic stadium.
Citação de: Covenant em 09 de Junho de 2019, 13:34
Greece lost yesterday but started the game losing because it was played in the Olympic stadium.
Yes, played in perhaps the most inappropriate footballing stadium in greece. However Karaiskaki is off the menu because the EPO is anti Olympiacos and the fans know it. AEL arena - no idea why that is not used. Toumba is a mad house. Aris stadium - no idea why that was not used - perhaps not up to spec?
Anyways the game was disaster. The Greek coach in insane. Literally. Every 11 has around 4 to 5 players playing out of position minimum.. Zeka as a Right Back.. Valerianos - who is a LB played as a CB on his debut. Siovas who is a CB played as a midfielder. No striker played - only 3 AMs instead.. a different goalkeeper for each of our last 3 games.. The list endless. The players are confused and scared but as always, the media is very protective of the Greek NT coach - whoever it is. The last 3 games - we have had 9 goals scored on us in the first 30 minutes! To think - Karagounis made sure Michel was not our NT coach.. disgrace.
Here was our lineup, with the player's actual natural positions put in brackets:
.......................................Barkas (rubbish keeper - even AEK fans admit it)....
Zeka (Actually a CM)..Manolas (CB)....Sokratis (CB)......Stafylidis (Terrible LB)
......................Siovas (Actually a CB)...Samaris (CM)... Kourbelis (CM)..
.............................Kolovos (AM).................Masouras (Winger)..........
..............................................Fortounis (Actually an AM)..........................
On top of that, the players selected are just dreadful anyway. We never stood a chance.
Faliro, are Greeks obsessed with football like Portuguese people are? Apparently there's several footblal newspapers and football shows on Greek television just like here.
Do you also have celebrities and public figures acting as pundits and arguing over referees and who cheats the most like we do here?
Do Greek women generally like football as well?
I feel like Portugal has some of the most obsessed fans. Ofc we have casual fans, but the obsessed ones seem more obsessed than fans from most other European countries. Also, a lot of portuguese girls/women are just as crazy about football as the guys are. An English guy told me he doesn't know a single woman that actually loves football. And we all know that football is quite a big deal in England.
I also feel like most European countries doesn't have nearly as much football media coverage as we do here. It does feel like it's the most common subject discussed everywhere. I've talked to several Scandinavians, German, Dutch, Polish people, etc. who didn't give two damns about football, but seems harder to meet a Portuguese person who's completely disconnected with football.
Citação de: Festivus em 09 de Junho de 2019, 17:23
Faliro, are Greeks obsessed with football like Portuguese people are?
Generally speaking yes. However you will still meet a fair few Greeks who are basketball only, a few who like some other sport - Water Polo, Volley (quite popular), some who like martial arts and a few more who don't like any sport like that and prefer Motor Sport or even nothing. What is strange is a fair few of those who say they like nothing have fairly good bodies and clearly work out.. :coolsmiley:
CitaçãoApparently there's several footblal newspapers and football shows on Greek television just like here.
Many papers, here are some of the main ones from today:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/sportfm/newspapers/19/06/09/livesport.jpg?w=400)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/sportfm/newspapers/19/06/09/sportday.jpg?w=400)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/sportfm/newspapers/19/06/09/sportime.jpg?w=400)
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/sportfm/newspapers/19/06/09/fostonsport.jpg?w=400)
Two more from today in the same picture (Gavros & Protathlitis Kokkinos):
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/sportfm/newspapers/19/06/09/protathlitis.jpg?w=400)
PAO one; 'I Prasini' from today:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/sportfm/newspapers/19/06/09/prasini.jpg?w=400)
One of the AEK ones from today:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/sportfm/newspapers/19/06/09/oragiasport.jpg?w=400)
PAOK one from today:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/sportfm/newspapers/19/06/09/metrosport.jpg?w=400)
And many others... And yes, a few shows discussing all this, but the best ones are the club specific ones.. like this famous Olympiacos one - that if you spoke Greek.. you would laugh for hours..:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCN7IwOyomw
CitaçãoDo you also have celebrities and public figures acting as pundits and arguing over referees and who cheats the most like we do here?
I wish we had that sounds hilarious.. :2funny: Instead we get an ex referee giving his opinion and some former players too..
CitaçãoDo Greek women generally like football as well?
It's a good question. The hot women you see at games are mostly there to show off and don't seem to care much. You get the occasional Greek female hooligan from time to time like this one:
(https://i.snag.gy/Iax0bQ.jpg)
I knew a girl once who was really big into the Greek NT after 2004 in general though I would say no... I see Greek girls more like cats.. slinking around the place with their very nice long hair yet catty games.. :estrelas:
CitaçãoI feel like Portugal has some of the most obsessed fans. Ofc we have casual fans, but the obsessed ones seem more obsessed than fans from most other European countries. Also, a lot of portuguese girls/women are just as crazy about football as the guys are. An English guy told me he doesn't know a single woman that actually loves football. And we all know that football is quite a big deal in England.
At the risk of repeating myself on here, I will say again, in my experience - watched football in stadia from Spain to Greece to the UK to Brazil. In all my experience - the most learned fans are those from Portugal and also the most learned concerning other leagues. The Portuguese for me seem to have a deep respect for the game - that never gets too violent (see Greece and formerly the UK). In general football and Portugal just go together. However, this may be because I have dealing mostly with Benfica fans.
CitaçãoI also feel like most European countries doesn't have nearly as much football media coverage as we do here. It does feel like it's the most common subject discussed everywhere. I've talked to several Scandinavians, German, Dutch, Polish people, etc. who didn't give two damns about football, but seems harder to meet a Portuguese person who's completely disconnected with football.
It seems to be a healthy respect for the game and also a passion combined. Portugal is a truly exceptional footballing nation.
(https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/62483077_2296155887139172_7837871365905448960_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo1-1.fna&oh=8fced8102df9cc90c6757faff209244d&oe=5D8B0639)
(https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/62445053_2296155903805837_59373662259642368_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo1-1.fna&oh=f6eedb4f49fd22707e59feb9c6b93093&oe=5D973708)
Aris' new stadium!
Citação de: Calcio em 14 de Junho de 2019, 19:01
(https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/62483077_2296155887139172_7837871365905448960_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo1-1.fna&oh=8fced8102df9cc90c6757faff209244d&oe=5D8B0639)
(https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/62445053_2296155903805837_59373662259642368_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo1-1.fna&oh=f6eedb4f49fd22707e59feb9c6b93093&oe=5D973708)
Aris' new stadium!
Stunning if realised. This week they will release further details. It appears to me from the renders they will keep the new main stand they already have and just continue it to the corners of that side. It then seems this exact stand will be mirrored on the opposite side. The two sides behind the goals seem to be total new stands too. Each corner appears to be a concrete block with suites.
Due to the improved ergonomics of the new stands, the chances are the capacity will be significantly increased from the current 23,400 - even with the loss of the corners (only 2 of which are currently seating).
The layout of the new design reminds me of the Estadio Independencia pictured below, in BH, BR - which is one of the better stadiums I have had the pleasure of watching a game in.
This stadium will be critical to the very future fabric of Greek football.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Arena_Independ%C3%AAncia_-_Atl%C3%A9tico_x_Fluminense.jpg/280px-Arena_Independ%C3%AAncia_-_Atl%C3%A9tico_x_Fluminense.jpg)
It's like Estádio do Bessa.
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Junho de 2019, 11:20
It's like Estádio do Bessa.
Yes. Virtually identical interior. Different exterior. They should both have a simular capacity too.
https://www.transfermarkt.pt/david-simao/profil/spieler/70359
AEK bound.
Citação de: Calcio em 19 de Junho de 2019, 12:19
https://www.transfermarkt.pt/david-simao/profil/spieler/70359
AEK bound.
Another C class player?
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Junho de 2019, 12:22
Citação de: Calcio em 19 de Junho de 2019, 12:19
https://www.transfermarkt.pt/david-simao/profil/spieler/70359
AEK bound.
Another C class player?
He had quality but never reached his potential.
Typical mid table portuguese league player that is above average.
Citação de: Calcio em 19 de Junho de 2019, 12:24
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Junho de 2019, 12:22
Citação de: Calcio em 19 de Junho de 2019, 12:19
https://www.transfermarkt.pt/david-simao/profil/spieler/70359
AEK bound.
Another C class player?
He had quality but never reached his potential.
Typical mid table portuguese league player that is above average.
Aek getting Vranjes back.. again a loan with no option to buy. Perhaps Tiger to sell next year?
:confused:
Good enough for AEK.
Will be a lot of potuguese in greece next season... could be well over 25 players.. AEK already have 5 portuguese players.
Aek new home kit:
(https://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5540922.ece/ALTERNATES/w720mobile/MANTALOS-NORMAL.jpg)
(https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/64529746_2306395572781870_8295527936912523264_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo1-1.fna&oh=ef380b3085911540d2959520a369b056&oe=5D86F673)
:o
Citação de: Calcio em 20 de Junho de 2019, 15:56
(https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/64529746_2306395572781870_8295527936912523264_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo1-1.fna&oh=ef380b3085911540d2959520a369b056&oe=5D86F673)
:o
I will be supporting Aris as usual this season. Got a hard draw vs Limassol in the europa quals. Many of these Cypriot sides are far more professional than their Greek compatriots back in Hellas.
Citação de: Calcio em 20 de Junho de 2019, 15:56
https://m.sport24.gr/football/omades...i.5541780.html
Some excellent work by Aris this transer season.
Don't know him.
But yes, Aris seems to be doing great. :)
Citação de: Calcio em 20 de Junho de 2019, 15:56
(https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/64529746_2306395572781870_8295527936912523264_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo1-1.fna&oh=ef380b3085911540d2959520a369b056&oe=5D86F673)
:o
He didn't play football One entire year. It's risky.
Citação de: Covenant em 21 de Junho de 2019, 16:12
Citação de: Calcio em 20 de Junho de 2019, 15:56
(https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/64529746_2306395572781870_8295527936912523264_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo1-1.fna&oh=ef380b3085911540d2959520a369b056&oe=5D86F673)
:o
He didn't play football One entire year. It's risky.
Aris is a risky club. :buck2:
AEK adds to its existing Portuguese contingent of Simao and Lopes with the following:
(http://s2.aek365.com/uploads/articles/images/6/625729eba649d5ae0d75225f614b9b8e_663842.jpg)
(http://hellas-football.com/filedata/fetch?id=4851&d=1561205017)
(https://scontent.flhr1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/62206702_2949995535041905_7988466057608167424_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQlW3W7k6OIPmyUS3e1qjrXVzv4_o8icB7gpkm8dUPmQPozrxnpuXwtPWAl2JFzL4f0&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr1-2.fna&oh=8cfcffcd13ee59cf7983cf2e86d69220&oe=5D830A0E)
PAOK seems to have picked up this gentleman from Corinthians.
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/scale_n_crop_812x457/public/article/2019-06/-douglas-augusto-corinthians_0.jpg?itok=2y5np3Im)
Corinthians, one of the top Brazilian clubs, is losing players to PAOK now? And we're supposed to believe that Brasileirão is way better than Tugão and that Flamengo is way bigger than Benfica?
(https://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Ofi/article5546460.ece/BINARY/w620/21.jpg)
Faliro , when starts greece league ?
24th August, but dont hold me to it.
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 27 de Junho de 2019, 22:08
Faliro , when starts greece league ?
24th August, but dont hold me to it.
Citação de: Calcio em 30 de Maio de 2019, 21:28
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Maio de 2019, 21:05
Yet another Portuguese coach enters the Greek Super League - this time for the well run club Panaitolikos.
Luis Castro signed a 3 year contract and brought on board his entire Portuguese team.
(https://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5526088.ece/BINARY/w620/c2-750x424.jpg)
Our board apparently recommended Panaitolikos to hire him. We have a formal relantionship with them and we will supposedly send 3 players on loan there.
Good thing you posted this because I forgot... What can we tell us about this club? :)
Another one.. this time Dálcio..
http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/superleague/article/1370569/panaitolikos-symfonise-me-ntalsio-vid
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:26
Citação de: Calcio em 30 de Maio de 2019, 21:28
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Maio de 2019, 21:05
Yet another Portuguese coach enters the Greek Super League - this time for the well run club Panaitolikos.
Luis Castro signed a 3 year contract and brought on board his entire Portuguese team.
(https://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5526088.ece/BINARY/w620/c2-750x424.jpg)
Our board apparently recommended Panaitolikos to hire him. We have a formal relantionship with them and we will supposedly send 3 players on loan there.
Good thing you posted this because I forgot... What can we tell us about this club? :)
Another one.. this time Dálcio..
http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/superleague/article/1370569/panaitolikos-symfonise-me-ntalsio-vid
I'M NOT JOKING. HE ALSO ALWAYS ENDS UP THERE IN MY FMs SAVES
what the fuck
He's shit, btw.
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:30
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:30
He's shit, btw.
I assumed so.. ;D ;D
The ones that we sent this season were pretty decent.
Let's see who else goes there.
Apparently PAOK want Bragas manager, Abel.
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:35
Apparently PAOK want Bragas manager, Abel.
Yea - apparently Braga wanted €12 million to break his contract!!
http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/superleague/article/1370621/paok-o-ampel-fereira-kai-i-ritra-ton-12-ekat-eyro
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:38
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:35
Apparently PAOK want Bragas manager, Abel.
Yea - apparently Braga wanted €12 million to break his contract!!
http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/superleague/article/1370621/paok-o-ampel-fereira-kai-i-ritra-ton-12-ekat-eyro
12M?! Damn.
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:46
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:38
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:35
Apparently PAOK want Bragas manager, Abel.
Yea - apparently Braga wanted €12 million to break his contract!!
http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/superleague/article/1370621/paok-o-ampel-fereira-kai-i-ritra-ton-12-ekat-eyro
12M?! Damn.
Yea.. :crazy2: :2funny:
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:48
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:46
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:38
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:35
Apparently PAOK want Bragas manager, Abel.
Yea - apparently Braga wanted €12 million to break his contract!!
http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/superleague/article/1370621/paok-o-ampel-fereira-kai-i-ritra-ton-12-ekat-eyro
12M?! Damn.
Yea.. :crazy2: :2funny:
Seems that Greeks really like Portuguese managers for some reason.
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Junho de 2019, 02:41
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:48
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:46
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:38
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:35
Apparently PAOK want Bragas manager, Abel.
Yea - apparently Braga wanted €12 million to break his contract!!
http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/superleague/article/1370621/paok-o-ampel-fereira-kai-i-ritra-ton-12-ekat-eyro
12M?! Damn.
Yea.. :crazy2: :2funny:
Seems that Greeks really like Portuguese managers for some reason.
Is this Braga coach as good as PAOK believe he is?
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Junho de 2019, 10:05
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Junho de 2019, 02:41
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:48
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:46
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:38
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:35
Apparently PAOK want Bragas manager, Abel.
Yea - apparently Braga wanted €12 million to break his contract!!
http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/superleague/article/1370621/paok-o-ampel-fereira-kai-i-ritra-ton-12-ekat-eyro
12M?! Damn.
Yea.. :crazy2: :2funny:
Seems that Greeks really like Portuguese managers for some reason.
Is this Braga coach as good as PAOK believe he is?
He has been average at Braga, but has a good press in Portugal. I wouldn't want him at Benfica.
Citação de: bellini em 30 de Junho de 2019, 10:44
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Junho de 2019, 10:05
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Junho de 2019, 02:41
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:48
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:46
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:38
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:35
Apparently PAOK want Bragas manager, Abel.
Yea - apparently Braga wanted €12 million to break his contract!!
http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/superleague/article/1370621/paok-o-ampel-fereira-kai-i-ritra-ton-12-ekat-eyro
12M?! Damn.
Yea.. :crazy2: :2funny:
Seems that Greeks really like Portuguese managers for some reason.
Is this Braga coach as good as PAOK believe he is?
He has been average at Braga, but has a good press in Portugal. I wouldn't want him at Benfica.
Yes. The good press thing in Hellas has helped useless players and coaches have long careers..
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Junho de 2019, 10:52
Citação de: bellini em 30 de Junho de 2019, 10:44
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Junho de 2019, 10:05
Citação de: Festivus em 30 de Junho de 2019, 02:41
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:48
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:46
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:38
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:35
Apparently PAOK want Bragas manager, Abel.
Yea - apparently Braga wanted €12 million to break his contract!!
http://www.gazzetta.gr/football/superleague/article/1370621/paok-o-ampel-fereira-kai-i-ritra-ton-12-ekat-eyro
12M?! Damn.
Yea.. :crazy2: :2funny:
Seems that Greeks really like Portuguese managers for some reason.
Is this Braga coach as good as PAOK believe he is?
He has been average at Braga, but has a good press in Portugal. I wouldn't want him at Benfica.
Yes. The good press thing in Hellas has helped useless players and coaches have long careers..
Also last season it was reported this would be his last year at Braga because the president was unhappy with his work and that he didn't develop any of the prospects they had. Xadas, Trincão, etc... So it makes no sense to ask for 12M.
PAOK got Abel...
AEK, OSFP, Panaitolikos, PAOK etc all with Portuguese managers.
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Junho de 2019, 14:33
PAOK got Abel...
AEK, OSFP, Panaitolikos, PAOK etc all with Portuguese managers.
What's with Portuguese managers all ending up in Greece at one point or another? Jesualdo Ferreira was also PAO's manager in 2010-2012. What do you and Greeks think of him? José Peseiro also manged PAO in 2007-2008...
Does Jorge Mendes have a lot of power and connections with Greek football presidents? Or other Portuguese agents do?
Citação de: Manpaz1904 em 02 de Julho de 2019, 17:49
Miguel Cardoso quer Nelson Oliveira no AEK
https://www.iapopsi.gr/aek-ayton-thelei-o-karntoso-gia-senter-for/
O0
(https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/65682474_2329812160440211_27541602339651584_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_oc=AQkQZXcs_TA_Br-N6REStrZHiDKgk_0bPQb0k6jtdpP-x1aMUFjV6CbOkjN02GX1eZgzbMfKygbIuGwuMUaIM5NW&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo1-1.fna&oh=97de842d9578ffb082a25150301f191f&oe=5D79ADF4)
Jesus Christ. Aris always gets fucked in the ass when it comes to scheduling.
Citação de: Calcio em 02 de Julho de 2019, 19:55
(https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/65682474_2329812160440211_27541602339651584_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_oc=AQkQZXcs_TA_Br-N6REStrZHiDKgk_0bPQb0k6jtdpP-x1aMUFjV6CbOkjN02GX1eZgzbMfKygbIuGwuMUaIM5NW&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo1-1.fna&oh=97de842d9578ffb082a25150301f191f&oe=5D79ADF4)
Jesus Christ. Aris always gets fucked in the ass when it comes to scheduling.
Could be worse. Tough games, but they are very resilient. They played exceptionally well in the Toumba last season. They are on a war footing always. They made good signings this summer. They will be competitive I think.
Citação de: Red_Fraction em 02 de Julho de 2019, 18:03
Citação de: Manpaz1904 em 02 de Julho de 2019, 17:49
Miguel Cardoso quer Nelson Oliveira no AEK
https://www.iapopsi.gr/aek-ayton-thelei-o-karntoso-gia-senter-for/
O0
Will he be able to do some damage?
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Julho de 2019, 22:56
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Junho de 2019, 14:33
PAOK got Abel...
AEK, OSFP, Panaitolikos, PAOK etc all with Portuguese managers.
What's with Portuguese managers all ending up in Greece at one point or another? Jesualdo Ferreira was also PAO's manager in 2010-2012. What do you and Greeks think of him? José Peseiro also manged PAO in 2007-2008...
Does Jorge Mendes have a lot of power and connections with Greek football presidents? Or other Portuguese agents do?
Yes Jorge Mendes has some power concerning the Greek reality. Other agents too. How can I explain this? From 2004, Greeks started to believe a lot in the Portuguese system. It is kind of like when Neo fought Agent Smith in the Matrix - for some reason the two merged. Same with Greece from 2004.
PAO have a history with the Portuguese. They had Santos as coach in 2002. In fact Santos was very respected as he coached across Greece. Don't forget they were blown away by Paulo Souza even though he was only there briefly. Ferreira and Paserio.. I think the PAO fans respected them both, but I am not sure of their reality as I don't read their forums or follow what they think. Portuguese coaches in general are respected more than Spanish in Greece. For every useless portuguese coach, there have been 5 useless Spanish ones.. but of the good Spanish coaches, I can only think of 3 - Michel, Munoz and Valverde. Portuguese coaches who are competent - there have been many.
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Julho de 2019, 21:37
Citação de: Red_Fraction em 02 de Julho de 2019, 18:03
Citação de: Manpaz1904 em 02 de Julho de 2019, 17:49
Miguel Cardoso quer Nelson Oliveira no AEK
https://www.iapopsi.gr/aek-ayton-thelei-o-karntoso-gia-senter-for/
O0
Will he be able to do some damage?
He is a good player, but he never fulfilled what was expected of him, at that time was one of the biggest talents of Benfica youth (2º place in the best player of under 20 World Cup award)
He has been inconstant in the Championship, maybe in a bigger team and in a weaker league he can succeed.
He is a strong, fast player and shoot very well.
Citação de: Red_Fraction em 02 de Julho de 2019, 22:11
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Julho de 2019, 21:37
Citação de: Red_Fraction em 02 de Julho de 2019, 18:03
Citação de: Manpaz1904 em 02 de Julho de 2019, 17:49
Miguel Cardoso quer Nelson Oliveira no AEK
https://www.iapopsi.gr/aek-ayton-thelei-o-karntoso-gia-senter-for/
O0
Will he be able to do some damage?
He is a good player, but he never fulfilled what was expected of him, at that time was one of the biggest talents of Benfica youth (2º place in the best player of under 20 World Cup award)
He has been inconstant in the Championship, maybe in a bigger team and in a weaker league he can succeed.
He is a strong, fast player and shoot very well.
Thank you for the description. He may be too good to sign for AEK..
Roof starting to take form on AEK's new stadium. Looks like it wont be ready until next year. All concrete works should be finished in a month or two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBzhQj1p0gc
Faliro,
What is your thoughts about the results of the Greek elections?
Citação de: Espártaco em 08 de Julho de 2019, 12:48
Faliro,
What is your thoughts about the results of the Greek elections?
Very happy the communists are gone. They damaged Hellas badly in the 4 years they were in charge and were very anti Greek. Horrible people.
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Julho de 2019, 17:05
Citação de: Espártaco em 08 de Julho de 2019, 12:48
Faliro,
What is your thoughts about the results of the Greek elections?
Very happy the communists are gone. They damaged Hellas badly in the 4 years they were in charge and were very anti Greek. Horrible people.
And what about New Democracy? Any expectations? They seemed to me an old prescription.
Citação de: Espártaco em 08 de Julho de 2019, 20:30
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Julho de 2019, 17:05
Citação de: Espártaco em 08 de Julho de 2019, 12:48
Faliro,
What is your thoughts about the results of the Greek elections?
Very happy the communists are gone. They damaged Hellas badly in the 4 years they were in charge and were very anti Greek. Horrible people.
And what about New Democracy? Any expectations? They seemed to me an old prescription.
Yes. Well described. Same old same old. But at least they don't hate Greeks. At least they don't feel a Bulgarian/Turk/refugee is worth more than a Greek. At least they don't want the idea of Hellas removed and replaced with a Neo Ottoman reality. At least they don't despise Greek history.
Yes, ND are shit and weak. They are pro european garbage - so taxes wont go down - because they respect the restrictions/sanctions the EU has placed on the Greek economy. But at least they don't hate Greeks. Syriza was the most frightening thing Greeks have seen since the civil war in the 1940s. Insidious party. The Turks could not have done more damage to Greece if they had created a clandestine party to infiltrate and damage Greek society and break the fabric of the actual nation from within.
Let's just pause a second. Syriza actually labelled 75% of the population of Greece - 'fascists' for not wanting to give away 3000 years of Macedonian history to a newly formed slavic nation above Ellada. Just let that sink in. They a built a mega mosque in downtown Athens - one that was not required in such a prominent position. They did their best to encourage refugees and illegal migrants into the country - refused to let the Greek coastguard turn back migrants a few 100 meters to the Turkish coast. They increased taxes! 400,000 young Greeks left the country last year. The population of Hellas is barely 10 million! The list is endless. The damage - like what they did with Fyrom/Prespes Agreement - might have sown the seeds for a future war.
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Julho de 2019, 22:26
Citação de: Espártaco em 08 de Julho de 2019, 20:30
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Julho de 2019, 17:05
Citação de: Espártaco em 08 de Julho de 2019, 12:48
Faliro,
What is your thoughts about the results of the Greek elections?
Very happy the communists are gone. They damaged Hellas badly in the 4 years they were in charge and were very anti Greek. Horrible people.
And what about New Democracy? Any expectations? They seemed to me an old prescription.
Yes. Well described. Same old same old. But at least they don't hate Greeks. At least they don't feel a Bulgarian/Turk/refugee is worth more than a Greek. At least they don't want the idea of Hellas removed and replaced with a Neo Ottoman reality. At least they don't despise Greek history.
Yes, ND are shit and weak. They are pro european garbage - so taxes what go down - because they respect the restrictions/sanctions the EU has placed on the Greek economy. But at least they don't hate Greeks. Syriza was the most frightening thing Greeks have seen since the civil war in the 1940s. Insidious party. The Turks could not have done more damage to Greece if they had created a clandestine party to infiltrate and damage Greek society and break the fabric of the actual nation from within.
Let's just pause a second. Syriza actually labelled 75% of the population of Greece - 'fascists' for not wanting to give away 3000 years of Macedonian hostory to a newly formed slavic nation above Ellada. Just let that sink in. They a built a mega mosque in downtown Athens - one that was not required in such a prominent position. They did their best to encourage refugees and illegal migrants into the country - refused to let the Greek coastguard turn back migrants a few 100 meters to the Turkish coast. They increased taxes! 400,000 young Greeks left the country last year. The population of Hellas is barely 10 million! The list is endless. The damage - like what they did with Fyrom - might have sown the seeds for a future war.
Thanks, Faliro. O0
We used to talk - a few months ago- about the situation in Greece and you were not optimistic at all. Well for now Syriza is out and let's see what happens. The question with Fyrom will be a tough one.
Will ND break the deal? Maybe not. https://europeanwesternbalkans.com/2019/07/08/what-does-the-victory-of-new-democracy-mean-for-relations-with-north-macedonia/
Citação de: Espártaco em 08 de Julho de 2019, 23:13
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Julho de 2019, 22:26
Citação de: Espártaco em 08 de Julho de 2019, 20:30
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Julho de 2019, 17:05
Citação de: Espártaco em 08 de Julho de 2019, 12:48
Faliro,
What is your thoughts about the results of the Greek elections?
Very happy the communists are gone. They damaged Hellas badly in the 4 years they were in charge and were very anti Greek. Horrible people.
And what about New Democracy? Any expectations? They seemed to me an old prescription.
Yes. Well described. Same old same old. But at least they don't hate Greeks. At least they don't feel a Bulgarian/Turk/refugee is worth more than a Greek. At least they don't want the idea of Hellas removed and replaced with a Neo Ottoman reality. At least they don't despise Greek history.
Yes, ND are shit and weak. They are pro european garbage - so taxes what go down - because they respect the restrictions/sanctions the EU has placed on the Greek economy. But at least they don't hate Greeks. Syriza was the most frightening thing Greeks have seen since the civil war in the 1940s. Insidious party. The Turks could not have done more damage to Greece if they had created a clandestine party to infiltrate and damage Greek society and break the fabric of the actual nation from within.
Let's just pause a second. Syriza actually labelled 75% of the population of Greece - 'fascists' for not wanting to give away 3000 years of Macedonian hostory to a newly formed slavic nation above Ellada. Just let that sink in. They a built a mega mosque in downtown Athens - one that was not required in such a prominent position. They did their best to encourage refugees and illegal migrants into the country - refused to let the Greek coastguard turn back migrants a few 100 meters to the Turkish coast. They increased taxes! 400,000 young Greeks left the country last year. The population of Hellas is barely 10 million! The list is endless. The damage - like what they did with Fyrom - might have sown the seeds for a future war.
Thanks, Faliro. O0
We used to talk - a few months ago- about the situation in Greece and you were not optimistic at all. Well for now Syriza is out and let's see what happens. The question with Fyrom will be a tough one.
Will ND break the deal? Maybe not. https://europeanwesternbalkans.com/2019/07/08/what-does-the-victory-of-new-democracy-mean-for-relations-with-north-macedonia/
Pretty sure ND wont attempt to break the deal. They could have stopped the deal dead in its tracks by withdrawing ND from parliament and forcing early elections. ND sold out the country too. The difference is, they would have never proposed this deal. No actual sane Greek would have. The damage is done - a future war could happen - which the Greek communists want anyway - because they envision a balkans and indeed a world of 1 people - with no nations. That was their dream they tried to complete in the Greek civil war and failed.
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Junho de 2019, 21:30
He's shit, btw.
Another one..
Mimito Biai
(https://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5556169.ece/BINARY/w620/mimito4-750x424.jpg)
Aris acquire Brazilian Lucas Sasha who will replace Siopis - who decided to go to a Turkish mid-table team:
(https://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Aris/article5556162.ece/BINARY/w620/4850022.jpg)
Panathinaikos are on the verge of extinction thanks to Alafouzos.
They only sold 4000 season tickets last season.
Dimitri Giannakopoulos - who owns the successful PAO Basketball section and is president of PAO amateur is trying to save the club through a new stadium project - something PAO should have had 20 years ago..
What he is proposing (after abandoning his ridiculous OAKA solution - Athens Alive) is to build a new football stadium and basketball arena on the Votanikos site - which has existing permissions for a 40k stadium that was designed by Manuel Salgado who designed the Dragao. The Votanikos site is in a central industrial area of Athens and perfect for the club. The Votanikos project was abandoned 10 years ago despite having full permissions and the mall part of project started. The mall went bust mid-construction and the stadium was never started after the land was cleared. The whole idea was reignited by Athens' new mayor Bakoyiannis who pointed out the site still had full permissions and the banks who now own the land still want the project completed. Here is the site, half finished mall on the right, stadium site left:
(https://newspao.gr/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/16.jpg)
Problem with this is twofold. One - Dimitri expects the fans to pony up 20 million euros to get the project going or he will leave this time next year.. ;D Two - he wanted the basketball arena and football stadium on the same plot - which instantly destroys the existing permissions. He has now been told to buy the adjacent plot to build the basketball arena and leave the 42k stadium untouched on the original site. Therefore PAO will still have all its institutions on one site, but he will need to buy the plot nextdoor for the basketball arena.
A working group has been formed. There seems to be one or two Greek industrialists/magnets who are lifelong PAO supporters and are willing to help - at least on the surface. The new stadium is PAO's only chance of survival. The new mayor of Athens - Bakkoyiannis - is 100% for the new stadium and the new basketball stadium on the adjacent plot. The new Greek Government has the same position as Bakoyiannis. The plot is now owned by banks who want the project completed. The PAO stadium will most likely have to be redesigned as the plans by Manuel Salgado are fairly old now. The working group that has be set up will meet on Friday and includes architect Agiostatitis. He designed the Karaiskakis stadium and also drew up plans for AEK's stadium years ago that would have made it 36k instead of 31k. His style always seems to include a clean gap between the roof and tiers.
(https://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/styles/horizontal_rectangle/public/archive-files/aek-660_4.jpg)
(http://www.stadia.gr/karaiskaki/karaiskaki6.jpg)
If this project doesn't work, I doubt there will be anything left of the PAO football section this time next year.
Greek NT coach sacked.
Some rumours the replacement could be from the Iberian peninsular..
::)
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Julho de 2019, 19:44
Greek NT coach sacked.
Some rumours the replacement could be from the Iberian peninsular..
::)
(https://fairplay.pt/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Ruivitorianovo.jpg)
Citação de: Calcio em 16 de Julho de 2019, 13:35
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Julho de 2019, 19:44
Greek NT coach sacked.
Some rumours the replacement could be from the Iberian peninsular..
::)
(https://fairplay.pt/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Ruivitorianovo.jpg)
He is at Al Nassr I think.
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Nelson Oliveira signed by AEK - will be in Athens this week.
Oliveira taken by AEK:
(https://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article5563486.ece/BINARY/w620/3.jpg)
Aris have a relatively easy draw.. somehow..
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/19/07/22/151054.jpg)
If they beat the Cyrpiots (Limassol) they will then face Molde or Čukarički.
AEK look like this:
(https://www.aek365.org/cache/images/8/81cfae6374b397d15b56beb9ad38fb80.jpg)
And Atromitos:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/19/07/22/151844.jpg)
Atromitos wont beat Lega I think after selling their best players last year. AEK should go through. Aris - their big danger will be the Cypriots.
Panathinakos sign Benfica product João Nunes.
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Julho de 2019, 02:10
Panathinakos sign Benfica product João Nunes.
Big prospect years ago.
Citação de: Covenant em 24 de Julho de 2019, 19:27
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Julho de 2019, 02:10
Panathinakos sign Benfica product João Nunes.
Big prospect years ago.
(https://cdn5.bbend.net/media/com_news/story/2019/07/23/152613/main/2173967-1.jpg)
Citação de: Calcio em 16 de Julho de 2019, 13:35
Aris playing now in europa cup, very fun game. Great atmosphere.
Nelson Oliveira at AEK's new stadium today:
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/styles/scale_n_crop_812x457/public/article/2019-07/oliveira_1_0.jpg?itok=HuC54Q6I)
He speaks better English than Mourinho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E3Ku95gb28
5 Portuguese starting in Cardoso's AEK:
(https://i.snag.gy/wzLd8h.jpg)
Simões + Simão haha
Citação de: Calcio em 31 de Julho de 2019, 20:34
Simões + Simão haha
They didn't look too good but it was probably the first time they played together.
Oliveira looks like he wants to play hard. Paulinho was actually one of their best.
Interestingly Geraldes looks like this:
(http://www.elizabethan-era.org.uk/images/robert-cecil.png)
As for Basaksehir - they looked quite organised - but not very. Robinho looks very effeminate - I remember now why I never liked that player - he could have scored but instead decided to pass. Their defenders like to foul. Look a fairly strange team. We have to be forceful with them.
Wow, really like the new Xanthi shirt:
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/66372848_487700215314440_3872139791617228800_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQnxte3AONS6bAjhq0S6E4-FsdBVfZMLgI57snDy1SBXTVe-N8shRwA18N6rtJ0DRFc&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr1-1.fna&oh=c81ff1a6b71c20aff4081f7f7d644041&oe=5DA4C9FF)
(https://scontent.flhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/66384070_489269105157551_632192406850109440_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_oc=AQl0vfFDac_HyuSjZSTR1nZjMYtajW5bUQhGt7yQmF54MJPUbNGhQD34nB-0QPwunJw&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr1-1.fna&oh=5d9f4c79a51d172100a1147a34343491&oe=5DD93EA6)
And on the subject of Xanthi, they sign Eduardo Teixeira from Braga!
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Agosto de 2019, 21:21
And on the subject of Xanthi, they sign Eduardo Teixeira from Braga!
Very good signing.
Citação de: Calcio em 05 de Agosto de 2019, 21:59
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Agosto de 2019, 21:21
And on the subject of Xanthi, they sign Eduardo Teixeira from Braga!
Very good signing.
Interesting, it is the most expensive signing in Xanthi's history. Hopefully this signing brings the fans.
Talocha also signed for Atromitos today. Very average defender.
Aris :(
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Agosto de 2019, 21:17
Aris :(
They were raped my dear friend Calcio. Artificial pitch made Aris look like some old pub team and Molde looked like an Arsenal youth side.
The coach, Savvas Pantelidis, who was banned from the touchline also made some mistakes. Should have started Fetfatzidis (who has started all the other games) who is
made for this kind of game. Instead he left Tonso on for over 60 minutes - a player who is finished as a professional. Basha in the midfield was poor and Sundgren very vulnerable. Ideye didn't offer much - Larsson looked far better.
I doubt Aris can come back from this, the rematch will be worth a watch though.
Atromitos drew 0-0 with Legia in Warsaw. Very good result for them. All 3 of their Greek defenders are good enough to play in Iberia at the top level - Goutas, Katranis and Risvanis. All superb professionals. If there is one thing Greece produces - it is exceptional CBs and serviceable FBs.
AEK made mince meat of Craiova - beat them 0-2 in Romania. Looks like Mantalos is finally starting to get back to where he was before that terrible injury.
AEK's new stadium filmed at dawn today by drone. The internal concrete works are complete. Just need to place the last of the concrete stands on the south side. That will take about 2 days. Stadium still wont be ready though this season it seems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Jm28HPQn0
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Agosto de 2019, 11:31
AEK's new stadium filmed at dawn today by drone. The internal concrete works are complete. Just need to place the last of the concrete stands on the south side. That will take about 2 days. Stadium still wont be ready though this season it seems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Jm28HPQn0
This will be one of the finest stadiums in all of Europe.
Fantastic tribute to Byzantine civilization.
Mateo Garcia? :confused:
Citação de: StellaRojas em 15 de Agosto de 2019, 14:12
Mateo Garcia? :confused:
IMO better than Marin. A proper winger who has goals.
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2019, 22:00
Citação de: StellaRojas em 15 de Agosto de 2019, 14:12
Mateo Garcia? :confused:
IMO better than Marin. A proper winger who has goals.
Better than Marin!! OMG. It seems like they are different types. Marin has a fantasy, he has goals. But he is still not ours.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 15 de Agosto de 2019, 22:10
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2019, 22:00
Citação de: StellaRojas em 15 de Agosto de 2019, 14:12
Mateo Garcia? :confused:
IMO better than Marin. A proper winger who has goals.
Better than Marin!! OMG. It seems like they are different types. Marin has a fantasy, he has goals. But he is still not ours.
Completely different players. I like players who are defined. Garcia clings to the left, plays a pure winger and has goals in him. Marin.. I don't know what Marin is. Talented yes.. some goals.. yes. Perhaps a 10? Yes. Garcia is a pure winger and a good one. If I had a choice between the two, I would take Garcia.
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2019, 22:17
Citação de: StellaRojas em 15 de Agosto de 2019, 22:10
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Agosto de 2019, 22:00
Citação de: StellaRojas em 15 de Agosto de 2019, 14:12
Mateo Garcia? :confused:
IMO better than Marin. A proper winger who has goals.
Better than Marin!! OMG. It seems like they are different types. Marin has a fantasy, he has goals. But he is still not ours.
Completely different players. I like players who are defined. Garcia clings to the left, plays a pure winger and has goals in him. Marin.. I don't know what Marin is. Talented yes.. some goals.. yes. Perhaps a 10? Yes. Garcia is a pure winger and a good one. If I had a choice between the two, I would take Garcia.
Marin is I would say a noble, roaming 10. It would be a waste to pin him to the line. He provides most returns when given the freedom to roam. His influence on our play cannot be reduced to statistics..
Aris gave their all and it was almost enough.
Shame, but even better times will come, I think.
Citação de: Calcio em 16 de Agosto de 2019, 02:35
Aris gave their all and it was almost enough.
Shame, but even better times will come, I think.
Super game to watch as I predicted. They were undone in extra time. Again, mistake by coach to take off both Larsson and Fetfatzidis.. the later of whom was exceptional.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CgWk6iykk0
https://youtu.be/EhhtZJ3-aDQ?t=151
Teammate alone and only sees the goal, Nelson Oliveira trademark.
Reminding us the game at Stamford Bridge.
Citação de: Gonçalo Santos em 17 de Agosto de 2019, 02:07
https://youtu.be/EhhtZJ3-aDQ?t=151
Teammate alone and only sees the goal, Nelson Oliveira trademark.
Reminding us the game at Stamford Bridge.
AEK are in big trouble. That game you posted the video of caused big trouble. The AEK owner went to Liberopolous (a couple seats behind him) and asked him what the hell was going on with the team during the game. It seems his first question to Liberopoulos (AEK technical director) was 'why did you hire Cardoso?'
Cardozo sacked. AEK have looked like a disaster and the were beaten at home 1-2 by Xanthi.
AEK fans actually booed AEK when they scored at the end to make it 1-2!
Cardozo was sacked so hard - Lymberopoulos, the AEK technical director who brought Cardozo was also sacked!
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Citação de: Calcio em 26 de Agosto de 2019, 00:19
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Apparently Cardozo was unaware of the massive climate against him. The boos when his name was mentioned before kickoff, the fans loudly booing and whistling their own team for 90 mins etc... Cardozo appears to have not understood what was going on. As soon as the game finished, Tiger went down to the locker rooms and sacked Cardozo and Lymbe on the spot. Apparently, Tiger went down to the locker rooms and directly went up to Cardozo and said; 'What is happening coach? Why is it not going well?' Cardozo looked confused and said; 'What is not going well?' He was sacked there and then and Tiger left.
:2funny: :2funny:
Pathetic team..
Hellas with no mercy, again. I said before, he has the theory, reading his interviews and so on. But most of it he doesn't know how to put it in practice like so many coaches. PAOK did a better choice.
Citação de: InteriorEsquerdo em 26 de Agosto de 2019, 21:12
Hellas with no mercy, again. I said before, he has the theory, reading his interviews and so on. But most of it he doesn't know how to put it in practice like so many coaches. PAOK did a better choice.
Yes, Abel seems intelligent.
Whos AEK looking at?
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Agosto de 2019, 23:27
Whos AEK looking at?
Tiger gave full control to AEK's brand new technical director, Ilija Ivic, to chose a new manager. He now has 100% say and will chose a new manager himself for AEK. Before this happened today the favourite was Gus Poyet for manager.
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Agosto de 2019, 23:42
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Agosto de 2019, 23:27
Whos AEK looking at?
Tiger gave full control to AEK's brand new technical director, Ilija Ivic, to chose a new manager. He now has 100% say and will chose a new manager himself for AEK. Before this happened today the favourite was Gus Poyet for manager.
A former manager...
Would AEK capable of getting the Zvezda manager? That dude is golden.
A portuguese manager would make sense due to how the team is currently structured, but I don't think there's anyone decent out there right now...
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Agosto de 2019, 23:44
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Agosto de 2019, 23:42
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Agosto de 2019, 23:27
Whos AEK looking at?
Tiger gave full control to AEK's brand new technical director, Ilija Ivic, to chose a new manager. He now has 100% say and will chose a new manager himself for AEK. Before this happened today the favourite was Gus Poyet for manager.
A former manager...
Would AEK capable of getting the Zvezda manager? That dude is golden.
A portuguese manager would make sense due to how the team is currently structured, but I don't think there's anyone decent out there right now...
I dont think aek could lure Milojevic as he is not going to leave a CL team for a team out of europe and in crisis.. even if AEK offer him more money.
As for a Portuguese manager, you are right, it makes sense. However it is all down to Ivic. He is a fairly smart guy it seems. He will pick the best manager he can because if his choice fails, so does his employment at AEK.
Apparently Poyet is still favourite.
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Agosto de 2019, 23:44
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Agosto de 2019, 23:42
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Agosto de 2019, 23:27
Whos AEK looking at?
Tiger gave full control to AEK's brand new technical director, Ilija Ivic, to chose a new manager. He now has 100% say and will chose a new manager himself for AEK. Before this happened today the favourite was Gus Poyet for manager.
A former manager...
Would AEK capable of getting the Zvezda manager? That dude is golden.
A portuguese manager would make sense due to how the team is currently structured, but I don't think there's anyone decent out there right now...
Nooooooo ::bater:: AEK can go f.. themselves. Miloje aka Clark Kent stays with us :smokin: They can try with Ruim Vitoria
Citação de: StellaRojas em 28 de Agosto de 2019, 13:23
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Agosto de 2019, 23:44
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Agosto de 2019, 23:42
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Agosto de 2019, 23:27
Whos AEK looking at?
Tiger gave full control to AEK's brand new technical director, Ilija Ivic, to chose a new manager. He now has 100% say and will chose a new manager himself for AEK. Before this happened today the favourite was Gus Poyet for manager.
A former manager...
Would AEK capable of getting the Zvezda manager? That dude is golden.
A portuguese manager would make sense due to how the team is currently structured, but I don't think there's anyone decent out there right now...
Nooooooo ::bater:: AEK can go f.. themselves. Miloje aka Clark Kent stays with us :smokin: They can try with Ruim Vitoria
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I am guessing the language in the locker room may be spanish at Asteras..
(https://i.snipboard.io/vuxAzc.jpg)
What would you say was the golden age of Greek football? The 90s and early 2000s? You had AEK, PAO and Olympiacos playing well in Europe and also had players live Rivaldo ending up there. Not to mention a lot of well-known Greek players from that time period including the ones who won Euro 2004.
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Setembro de 2019, 01:13
What would you say was the golden age of Greek football? The 90s and early 2000s? You had AEK, PAO and Olympiacos playing well in Europe and also had players live Rivaldo ending up there. Not to mention a lot of well-known Greek players from that time period including the ones who won Euro 2004.
I think the term Golden Age gives such a strong impression. I am not sure that period ever existed concerning Greek football. I mean Greece is on the edge of the civilised world as it is.. they are always facing down the face of a void.
I think - and I don't want to seem negative.. that for me it is more about lost opportunities to create a golden period. Like after 2004. There should have been a revamp and Hellas should have carried that energy forward. This didn't happen. Instead the car was put into reverse.
The landscape is there to have a very fun league. PAOK, AEK, PAO, OLY and Aris fighting it out each season in brilliant modern stadiums with some of the best support on earth. Larissa, OFI, Xanthi, Panaitolikos and friends stealing points when they can. The heritage is there also from other teams like Panionios and Iraklis..
Instead what we see is some of the worse football stadia on earth... - a corrupt EPO - most the heads of the EPO have been successfully prosecuted for corruption.. no law and order to remove the anarchists at games.. just madness.
Slowly however this is changing. Next season AEK's stadium will be ready and it will be hell in there. So Hellas will have two excellent stadia. PAOK will build theirs soon - a proper 40k like the Besiktas stadium - probably better designed. Aris will rebuild their stadium with chinese steel... (don't ask.. ::))But there is a road map there for a fun league that can still damage the big boys in european comps. But the journey there is slow. Step by step.. that is Hellas..
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Setembro de 2019, 20:41
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Setembro de 2019, 01:13
What would you say was the golden age of Greek football? The 90s and early 2000s? You had AEK, PAO and Olympiacos playing well in Europe and also had players live Rivaldo ending up there. Not to mention a lot of well-known Greek players from that time period including the ones who won Euro 2004.
I think the term Golden Age gives such a strong impression. I am not sure that period ever existed concerning Greek football. I mean Greece is on the edge of the civilised world as it is.. they are always facing down the face of a void.
I think - and I don't want to seem negative.. that for me it is more about lost opportunities to create a golden period. Like after 2004. There should have been a revamp and Hellas should have carried that energy forward. This didn't happen. Instead the car was put into reverse.
The landscape is there to have a very fun league. PAOK, AEK, PAO, OLY and Aris fighting it out each season in brilliant modern stadiums with some of the best support on earth. Larissa, OFI, Xanthi, Panaitolikos and friends stealing points when they can. The heritage is there also from other teams like Panionios and Iraklis..
Instead what we see is some of the worse football stadia on earth... - a corrupt EPO - most the heads of the EPO have been successfully prosecuted for corruption.. no law and order to remove the anarchists at games.. just madness.
Slowly however this is changing. Next season AEK's stadium will be ready and it will be hell in there. So Hellas will have two excellent stadia. PAOK will build theirs soon - a proper 40k like the Besiktas stadium - probably better designed. Aris will rebuild their stadium with chinese steel... (don't ask.. ::))But there is a road map there for a fun league that can still damage the big boys in european comps. But the journey there is slow. Step by step.. that is Hellas..
Time to speak up. :rir:
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Setembro de 2019, 22:28
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Setembro de 2019, 20:41
Citação de: Festivus em 29 de Setembro de 2019, 01:13
What would you say was the golden age of Greek football? The 90s and early 2000s? You had AEK, PAO and Olympiacos playing well in Europe and also had players live Rivaldo ending up there. Not to mention a lot of well-known Greek players from that time period including the ones who won Euro 2004.
I think the term Golden Age gives such a strong impression. I am not sure that period ever existed concerning Greek football. I mean Greece is on the edge of the civilised world as it is.. they are always facing down the face of a void.
I think - and I don't want to seem negative.. that for me it is more about lost opportunities to create a golden period. Like after 2004. There should have been a revamp and Hellas should have carried that energy forward. This didn't happen. Instead the car was put into reverse.
The landscape is there to have a very fun league. PAOK, AEK, PAO, OLY and Aris fighting it out each season in brilliant modern stadiums with some of the best support on earth. Larissa, OFI, Xanthi, Panaitolikos and friends stealing points when they can. The heritage is there also from other teams like Panionios and Iraklis..
Instead what we see is some of the worse football stadia on earth... - a corrupt EPO - most the heads of the EPO have been successfully prosecuted for corruption.. no law and order to remove the anarchists at games.. just madness.
Slowly however this is changing. Next season AEK's stadium will be ready and it will be hell in there. So Hellas will have two excellent stadia. PAOK will build theirs soon - a proper 40k like the Besiktas stadium - probably better designed. Aris will rebuild their stadium with chinese steel... (don't ask.. ::))But there is a road map there for a fun league that can still damage the big boys in european comps. But the journey there is slow. Step by step.. that is Hellas..
Time to speak up. :rir:
The roof of the Aris stadium is not quite straight due perhaps to the company contracted to complete the works going bust.
(http://www.managerdiary.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/aris-stadium-google-earth-zoom.jpg)
So whenever we think of the stadium, we all think of half assing it..
Karapidis had a fair few chinese dignitaries over a month ago:
(https://i.imgur.com/rbRmZ1v.jpg)
The reason? He said they would build the stadium. In reality? Perhaps cheap Chinese steel for the new stadium.. ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/oxOd0hy.jpg)
In other news, not big outside of Greece but fairly big inside in Greece - Torosidis, Samaris, Manolas, Zeca, Mitroglou and Sokratis all cut from the Greek NT by the new coach.
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Setembro de 2019, 13:37
In other news, not big outside of Greece but fairly big inside in Greece - Torosidis, Samaris, Manolas, Zeca, Mitroglou and Sokratis all cut from the Greek NT by the new coach.
How you see the season until now?
Citação de: Covenant em 18 de Novembro de 2019, 12:21
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Setembro de 2019, 13:37
In other news, not big outside of Greece but fairly big inside in Greece - Torosidis, Samaris, Manolas, Zeca, Mitroglou and Sokratis all cut from the Greek NT by the new coach.
How you see the season until now?
Very positive. We are playing well, coach puts out competitive sides. PAOK is close but still just behind. I am pleased.
Aris :D :D :D
Citação de: Calcio em 04 de Janeiro de 2020, 19:34
Aris :D :D :D
What a game!!! I was screaming at my laptop!!
So before the game, PAOK top of the league thanks to a ref mistake concerning Volos vs Olympiacos the previous round.
PAOK unbeaten in 51 consecutive Super League games before tonight. PAOK last lost a game in March 2018! They were approaching the Olympiacos record of 58 games without a loss!
Then this happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcrBLy-7aHU
;D ;D ;D ;D
The Pyro show when the teams came out was spectacular. Perhaps one of the best. Will find a good video of it.
(http://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/sitefiles_2020-01/23423423423423423423.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usIwGFEt-oE
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Janeiro de 2020, 20:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usIwGFEt-oE
Amazing. Yesterday we had a pyro party too but nothing like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10Aro3EnBPA
"Greek sports body recommends the relegation of PAOK and AO Xanthi due to ownership links"
:o :drool:
Citação de: Calcio em 27 de Janeiro de 2020, 17:58
"Greek sports body recommends the relegation of PAOK and AO Xanthi due to ownership links"
:o :drool:
It's massive.
Savvidis was doing the old Greek football club owner trick of buying up smaller clubs for dubious reasons.. He basically used proxies to funnel his money into Xanthi. You could make a film of it - one day Savvidis's cousin is a hairdresser - the next he seems to control FC Xanthi..
https://www.agonasport.com/agonasport-allnews/paok-xanthi-both-recommended-for-relegation
PAOK in very very big trouble now. The evidence is there. I don't know how they will be able to convince Disciplinary Sports Committee (who will make the final decision) of their innocence. I think their only hope is probably this:
(https://www.inthesnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/SWI013079I-1280x500.jpg)
(https://www.theolivepress.es/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/IKEA-satire.jpg?width=1200&enable=upscale)
It's bad for Greek football.
Citação de: Covenant em 28 de Janeiro de 2020, 00:24
It's bad for Greek football.
PAOK are now desperate. They are asking for the sports minister to be sacked! Their fans hacked his website and put an Olympiacos badge on it.
Mitsotakis caved. He announced PAOK will not be relegated despite what they did. He stated this is for the cohesion of the country. The Greek government will change the law to make sure PAOK are safe. Savvidis wins again.
https://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/SuperLeague/petsas-den-ypovivazetai-o-paok.5675559.html
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Janeiro de 2020, 11:57
Citação de: Covenant em 28 de Janeiro de 2020, 00:24
It's bad for Greek football.
PAOK are now desperate. They are asking for the sports minister to be sacked! Their fans hacked his website and put an Olympiacos badge on it.
Mitsotakis caved. He announced PAOK will not be relegated despite what they did. He stated this is for the cohesion of the country. The Greek government will change the law to make sure PAOK are safe. Savvidis wins again.
https://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/SuperLeague/petsas-den-ypovivazetai-o-paok.5675559.html
:rir:
Citação de: Arceus_17 em 28 de Janeiro de 2020, 16:09
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Janeiro de 2020, 11:57
Citação de: Covenant em 28 de Janeiro de 2020, 00:24
It's bad for Greek football.
PAOK are now desperate. They are asking for the sports minister to be sacked! Their fans hacked his website and put an Olympiacos badge on it.
Mitsotakis caved. He announced PAOK will not be relegated despite what they did. He stated this is for the cohesion of the country. The Greek government will change the law to make sure PAOK are safe. Savvidis wins again.
https://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/SuperLeague/petsas-den-ypovivazetai-o-paok.5675559.html
:rir:
(https://www.sportime.gr/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/avgenakis-5.jpg)
So, law officially changed in Hellas - PAOK and Xanthi cannot be relegated for co-ownership. :estrelas:
PAO vs PAOK today at 17.30.
AEK's stadium entering the last phase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jRtJaciA64
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Fevereiro de 2020, 12:45
So, law officially changed in Hellas - PAOK and Xanthi cannot be relegated for co-ownership. :estrelas:
PAO vs PAOK today at 17.30.
AEK's stadium entering the last phase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jRtJaciA64
Panathinaikos helping Olympiakos. :D
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Fevereiro de 2020, 18:23
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Fevereiro de 2020, 12:45
So, law officially changed in Hellas - PAOK and Xanthi cannot be relegated for co-ownership. :estrelas:
PAO vs PAOK today at 17.30.
AEK's stadium entering the last phase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jRtJaciA64
Panathinaikos helping Olympiakos. :D
You just love to see it.
Citação de: Covenant em 03 de Fevereiro de 2020, 18:23
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Fevereiro de 2020, 12:45
So, law officially changed in Hellas - PAOK and Xanthi cannot be relegated for co-ownership. :estrelas:
PAO vs PAOK today at 17.30.
AEK's stadium entering the last phase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jRtJaciA64
Panathinaikos helping Olympiakos. :D
Yip. However they would do well to remember they are only in the league because of us. Law stated a few years ago that their debts were so high - they hit the target for automatic relegation. The SL voted on whether to enact the relegation of PAO and Oly voted in favour of saving their hide. AEK and Aris were also in the lower leagues at the time so probably Olympuacos wanted to try and save PAO to at least give us some competition. However that didn't stop their stupid owner through his media and crummy political connections from continuing to encourage the courts to prosecute Marinakis..
Anyways that defeat hit PAOK hard. Would not be too shocked if Abel is sacked.
Nice dawn drone flyby of the new AEK stadium today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJZkhIa8xqM
In the first leg of the semi-finals PAOK managed to beat Olympiacos 3-2 after losing 0-2. The goals were scored by Pelkas and Misic, players who participated in the Portuguese championship.
Giannoulis took a red card in the 85th minute after a tough entry over Randjelovic.
If PAOK wins this edition it will be the fourth consecutive cup. Since the early 1960s, a Greek team has not won so many cups in a row.
If Olympiacos fans are blocked from their home game, PAOK has a better chance.
Any date for the return of football in Greece?
Apparently Greece has few diagnosed covid-19 cases and deaths related to it so far?
Citação de: Covenant em 24 de Abril de 2020, 12:26
Any date for the return of football in Greece?
They are in discussions about that this Tuesday.
https://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/SuperLeague/super-league-oristika-thn-trith-28-4-stis-12m-m-h-thlediaskepsh.5704143.html
I am unsure of the outcome. I suspose the clubs will want the league completed due to TV money obligations.
Citação de: Festivus em 25 de Abril de 2020, 04:42
Apparently Greece has few diagnosed covid-19 cases and deaths related to it so far?
Seems Greece has done pretty well relatively speaking. Overall, they state there have been less than 200 Coronavisus deaths. They apparently need a government permission even to go to a periptero for cigarettes.. It has been a strict lock down.
A Portuguese referee in Greece.. use google translate: ;D
https://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/GreekCup/diaithths-aek-arhs-den-eixa-dei-pote-kapoion-apo-omada-na-arpazei-to-vohtho-apo-ta-gennhtika-organa.5704390.html
Citação de: Covenant em 24 de Abril de 2020, 12:26
Any date for the return of football in Greece?
The Super League has until May 25th to give UEFA a plan for the resumption of the league.
https://maisfutebol.iol.pt/incrivel/internacional/video-grupo-de-adeptos-tentou-invadir-casa-do-presidente-do-panathinaikos
Citação de: Covenant em 11 de Junho de 2020, 19:35
https://maisfutebol.iol.pt/incrivel/internacional/video-grupo-de-adeptos-tentou-invadir-casa-do-presidente-do-panathinaikos
Was hilarious. He is so hated by Pao fans and yet is president of the amateur club.. what he was saying as he filmed them was hillarious.
A little break down of what Panathinaikos is going through.
Dimitri Giannokopoulos - the idiot who owns PAO basketball - has put PAO Basketball up for sale after he failed to get any support for his PAO-Alive project (building a Basketball and Football stadium at Votanikos - downtown Athens factory district). He is also resigning as president of Panathinaikos Amateur - from where he he was wielding his power and causing much trouble.
Now he is out the picture for the moment - it seems the mayor of Athens, Bakoyannis, is pushing ahead to complete the old Votanikos project that still has Government permissions in place.
If you remember the original plan was a 42k stadium designed by your compatriot Manuel Salgado:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panathinaikos_F.C._New_Stadium
However, due to the natural stupidity of Greeks, they will most likely reduce this capacity and thus make sure Greece can never bid for a UEFA tournament as a co-host for example.
Bakoyannis will release complete plans for the stadium this summer and there is money behind it this time. Panathinaikos has suffered for decades not having a proper stadium.
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As for PAOK's Nea Toumba, we still await to see plans this years. The spatial plan should be released soon. They are going for a 40k stadium on their current stadium plot. Again, many will attempt to reduce the size of the stadium with various spurious arguments. The plot is bigger than the plot Besiktas built their 40k stadium on.. so the excuses are going to be very bizarre to compensate..
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AEK's stadium will be ready by the end of the year, here is its current form:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTwerJoMxU0
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With all the new stadiums complete, Greece should be able to dominate the Balkans football wise.
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Foreign referees have been fantastic. Greece now also has full VAR which has improved the game as well. After years of decline, it seems the next few years Greek football will rise a couple of levels. All that is left is for Aris to rebuild their crumbling stadium - adding around 6000 seats in the process and the league should be extremely watchable.
Panionios in bad shape?
Citação de: Calcio em 28 de Junho de 2020, 17:27
Panionios in bad shape?
Not sure.
Seems they have some problems:
https://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/SuperLeague/epo-phre-adeia-o-panaitwlikos-oxi-o-paniwnios-poy-kindyneuei-me-3-gia-th-nea-sezon.5724149.html
They are hanging on.. just.. but it is close..
(https://i.snipboard.io/hsmDtJ.jpg)
I can now say that the current Superleague system is what I would like to have in Portugal.
Only thing I would change: bottom 2 straight relegated, the last to second to last would play a play-out vs the 3rd ranked Segunda Liga team.
Citação de: Calcio em 30 de Junho de 2020, 22:39
I can now say that the current Superleague system is what I would like to have in Portugal.
Only thing I would change: bottom 2 straight relegated, the last to second to last would play a play-out vs the 3rd ranked Segunda Liga team.
Yes, even now I must admit the system works well. I was against it previously. And I also agree with your fix. The foreign referees have been generally very good too. The only thing I would change is 16 clubs instead of 14 in the main league.
Another round today of the championship:
(https://i.snipboard.io/m15DSv.jpg)
Aris only able to bring 15 players down to Panathinaikos because of sudden transfers (lost Fetfa, Velez and Ideye in the space of a 2 weeks) and also injuries; Sousa and suspensions; Delizisis. Also I am not sure if the
Theós tou polémou even have an academy anymore to fill out the other spots in the squad.
The pick of the games is PAOK vs AEK. They are fighting for a Champion's League spot and all the money that goes with that.
On another issue, in the AEK vs Aris Cup semi final game a few months ago - at half time it is alleged that the owner of AEK, Dimitris Melissanidis, insulted and and grabbed the genitals of Portuguese referee Arthur Ribeiro Soares Nares.
https://www.sportime.gr/olimpiakos/olimpiakos-o-idioktitis-tis-aek-exeftelizi-to-elliniko-podosfero/
Olympiacos issued a statement lambasting for Herbert Hubel for covering up the incident.
PAOK 0
AEK 2
Don't think Ferreira will be around much longer.
How critical is Aris financially? :(
Citação de: Calcio em 07 de Julho de 2020, 11:30
How critical is Aris financially? :(
Critical.
Karipidis - the owner - although new - has been exceptionally stupid. Aris are banned from making transfers due to them dragging their feet on paying off former players and Corona (meaning their ticket sales that would have covered their debts are now unavailable).
As a result there has been an exodus of players - leaving only 14 players at the club! Only 14 players were available for the last 2 games! Where are their youth players to take up positions? It seems they don't even have a youth department and that is down to the ownership.
The EPO is still pro-PAOK due to the former Syriza Government making sure it was. To highlight this issue - the EPO lost vital documents they should have been working on concerning Aris's issues concerning the ban.
The issues listed above also explains why there has been no movement on reforming their stadium. Aris needs a dynamic president - instead they got an idiot.
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In other news, the corrupt EPO decided to hold the Cup Final in the Rizoupoli - the Apollon stadium - a club who play in the second division. The field is poor and could damage the players. Olympiacos is suing every member of the EPO that voted to hold the Cup Final there.
Did you hear the latest about Hagia Sophia?
Citação de: Festivus em 10 de Julho de 2020, 18:43
Did you hear the latest about Hagia Sophia?
I did. As long as the US keeps its nukes in Incirlik airbase and Germany (EU) is run by Islamist apologists - Turkey has a green light to invade Iraq, Syria, Libya etc - colonise these former sovereign states and reform the Ottoman Empire. This summer Turkey may start drilling for oil in Crete's waters. There will be fireworks.
Citação de: Festivus em 10 de Julho de 2020, 18:43
Did you hear the latest about Hagia Sophia?
If I was Greek PM - I would simply turn Ataturk's house in Salonika into the Greek Genocide Museum.
The Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople sold its soul to a devil to serve as a pawn (to American imperialism) in its crusade against Russians. Now they have been discarded like a rag as the Turks are converting the most significant Orthodox Church into a mosque.
Disaster. Traitor Bartholomew prostituted himself cheaply.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 11 de Julho de 2020, 08:34
The Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople sold its soul to a devil to serve as a pawn (to American imperialism) in its crusade against Russians. Now they have been discarded like a rag as the Turks are converting the most significant Orthodox Church into a mosque.
Disaster. Traitor Bartholomew prostituted himself cheaply.
Much of the Greek political class miss the days of the Ottoman Empire. Zero accountability and paid vast sums to manage their fellow Greeks.
https://www.facebook.com/100013611303402/videos/935493033581065/
Citação de: Calcio em 07 de Julho de 2020, 11:30
How critical is Aris financially? :(
Only 11 players available for the PAOK game this weekend!
https://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Aris/eningk-kontra-ston-paok-me-11-podosfairistes.5733019.html
Citação de: Calcio em 28 de Junho de 2020, 17:27
Panionios in bad shape?
Relegated today. 24 years they lasted in the top league. Had players like Recoba, Balaban and Estoyanoff at one stage.
Aris could only muster 13 players (a starting 11 and only two substitutes!) for the game against PAOK in the Toumba and they still managed to hold them to a 0-0 draw! :rir: :rir:
Live celebrations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbWdD8W2z-0
Even without players, Aris is making good results.
Citação de: Covenant em 20 de Julho de 2020, 08:11
Even without players, Aris is making good results.
I know!
:crazy2:
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Julho de 2020, 11:43
Citação de: Covenant em 20 de Julho de 2020, 08:11
Even without players, Aris is making good results.
I know!
:crazy2:
They have money for the next season?
Citação de: Covenant em 20 de Julho de 2020, 13:40
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Julho de 2020, 11:43
Citação de: Covenant em 20 de Julho de 2020, 08:11
Even without players, Aris is making good results.
I know!
:crazy2:
They have money for the next season?
Probably yes. Money just seems to appear with Greek clubs even when they are broke. For example Aris is about to buy Garcia from Red Star and bring in Bertoglio in the next few days providing the FIFA transfer ban on them is lifted.. :crazy2:
I suspect potential Europa Cup money? Loans? Not sure, Karipidis runs that club in a very strange manner.
Their coach is very good and he has already signed a new contract.
Bucharest:
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/110172683_1623611307798534_5622231726243509860_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=NeeuLm4-wywAX-3KoiV&_nc_ht=scontent-cdg2-1.xx&oh=0913f0f245c6906488f3caeea87ca80e&oe=5F3DC893)
They been laying down the creepy carpets in there all day..
(https://www.ekathimerini.com/resources/2020-07/hagia_sophia_web--12-thumb-large.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Julho de 2020, 17:54
They been laying down the creepy carpets in there all day..
(https://www.ekathimerini.com/resources/2020-07/hagia_sophia_web--12-thumb-large.jpg)
We will have divine liturgies whole day tomorrow throughout Serbia and Montenegro for Hagia Sophia...This is outrageous. Even a blind person can see that this is a Christian church through and through. They can have Arabic letters and green carpets all they want, that is not their civilisation. If I were a Muslim I would not pray in an Orthodox Church, just like I would not pray in a mosque converted into Church.
I know that Russia had its quarrels with Patriarch Bartholomew, who supported Ukrainian Orthodox Church, but for Russian State to say: This is the internal affair of Turkey. I was appalled!
Citação de: StellaRojas em 23 de Julho de 2020, 19:40
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Julho de 2020, 17:54
They been laying down the creepy carpets in there all day..
(https://www.ekathimerini.com/resources/2020-07/hagia_sophia_web--12-thumb-large.jpg)
We will have divine liturgies whole day tomorrow throughout Serbia and Montenegro for Hagia Sophia...This is outrageous. Even a blind person can see that this is a Christian church through and through. They can have Arabic letters and green carpets all they want, that is not their civilisation. If I were a Muslim I would not pray in an Orthodox Church, just like I would not pray in a mosque converted into Church.
I know that Russia had its quarrels with Patriarch Bartholomew, who supported Ukrainian Orthodox Church, but for Russian State to say: This is the internal affair of Turkey. I was appalled!
The Greek communist Tsipras expelled Russian diplomats from Greece so he could push through his unpopular name deal with FYROM. Relations between Greece and Russia have been weak ever since. Greece has refused to help Russia consistently, so it is no surprise Russia is cold to Greece.
As for the conversion of the cathedral to a mosque. It has nothing to do with religion, it is about conquest and showing Turkic power to fellow muslims around the world. Over 60% of Turks agree with the conversion so once again, the Western left that is constantly saying Erdogan is unpopular.. is wrong again. Erdogan is the popular Turkish leader in decades. While nations like Armenia, Turkey and China have been expanding, Greece has been doing the opposite and inviting trouble.
When those Turkish drills enter the Greek EEZ, that is when we will see what is left of Hellenism.
Citação de: Calcio em 07 de Julho de 2020, 11:30
How critical is Aris financially? :(
Paid off two players, one left to have the FIFA ban lifted.
Next season's 2nd and 3rd jerseys released.
(https://i.snipboard.io/qZaE0p.jpg)
Good that they've found the cash
The shirts are meh.
BTW, my Oly shirt has arrived. It's an L and it's too big. FFS
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:11
Good that they've found the cash
The shirts are meh.
BTW, my Oly shirt has arrived. It's an L and it's too big. FFS
You went large??
What height are you?
I am around 5'11 and always go medium with Hellenic football tops. The tricky ones are the Barca shirts. The medium is usually a little tight and the large miles too big.
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:44
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:11
Good that they've found the cash
The shirts are meh.
BTW, my Oly shirt has arrived. It's an L and it's too big. FFS
You went large??
What height are you?
I am around 5'11 and always go medium with Hellenic football tops. The tricky ones are the Barca shirts. The medium is usually a little tight and the large miles too big.
My Benfica Medium was too tight, so I went with a Large... Big mistake.
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:50
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:44
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:11
Good that they've found the cash
The shirts are meh.
BTW, my Oly shirt has arrived. It's an L and it's too big. FFS
You went large??
What height are you?
I am around 5'11 and always go medium with Hellenic football tops. The tricky ones are the Barca shirts. The medium is usually a little tight and the large miles too big.
My Benfica Medium was too tight, so I went with a Large... Big mistake.
I have the medium of the one you ordered and it is perfect. Even has some extra room.
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:50
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:44
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:11
Good that they've found the cash
The shirts are meh.
BTW, my Oly shirt has arrived. It's an L and it's too big. FFS
You went large??
What height are you?
I am around 5'11 and always go medium with Hellenic football tops. The tricky ones are the Barca shirts. The medium is usually a little tight and the large miles too big.
My Benfica Medium was too tight, so I went with a Large... Big mistake.
You have to come to Athens this summer to get the right one. I'll meet you if I am there.
:smokin:
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Julho de 2020, 01:43
Citação de: StellaRojas em 23 de Julho de 2020, 19:40
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Julho de 2020, 17:54
They been laying down the creepy carpets in there all day..
(https://www.ekathimerini.com/resources/2020-07/hagia_sophia_web--12-thumb-large.jpg)
We will have divine liturgies whole day tomorrow throughout Serbia and Montenegro for Hagia Sophia...This is outrageous. Even a blind person can see that this is a Christian church through and through. They can have Arabic letters and green carpets all they want, that is not their civilisation. If I were a Muslim I would not pray in an Orthodox Church, just like I would not pray in a mosque converted into Church.
I know that Russia had its quarrels with Patriarch Bartholomew, who supported Ukrainian Orthodox Church, but for Russian State to say: This is the internal affair of Turkey. I was appalled!
The Greek communist Tsipras expelled Russian diplomats from Greece so he could push through his unpopular name deal with FYROM. Relations between Greece and Russia have been weak ever since. Greece has refused to help Russia consistently, so it is no surprise Russia is cold to Greece.
As for the conversion of the cathedral to a mosque. It has nothing to do with religion, it is about conquest and showing Turkic power to fellow muslims around the world. Over 60% of Turks agree with the conversion so once again, the Western left that is constantly saying Erdogan is unpopular.. is wrong again. Erdogan is the popular Turkish leader in decades. While nations like Armenia, Turkey and China have been expanding, Greece has been doing the opposite and inviting trouble.
When those Turkish drills enter the Greek EEZ, that is when we will see what is left of Hellenism.
Yes, but beyond that, Hagia Sophia is also a heritage of Orthodox Christianity. It is the most important Church in our history. Which is why entire Orthodox Christianity is appalled and upset. Russia used to know that-before.
I do agree to an extent that for Erdogan it has little do to with religion. But for him, Islam is a way to project Turkish "soft power" and impose himself as the leader of Islamic world. So it is not completely unimportant.
Erdogan has embarked on the path of neo-osmanism. The Army was the last shield of Ataturk's secular Turkey. Islam has become the heart of this return to Neo-Ottomanism.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 24 de Julho de 2020, 10:18
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Julho de 2020, 01:43
Citação de: StellaRojas em 23 de Julho de 2020, 19:40
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Julho de 2020, 17:54
They been laying down the creepy carpets in there all day..
(https://www.ekathimerini.com/resources/2020-07/hagia_sophia_web--12-thumb-large.jpg)
We will have divine liturgies whole day tomorrow throughout Serbia and Montenegro for Hagia Sophia...This is outrageous. Even a blind person can see that this is a Christian church through and through. They can have Arabic letters and green carpets all they want, that is not their civilisation. If I were a Muslim I would not pray in an Orthodox Church, just like I would not pray in a mosque converted into Church.
I know that Russia had its quarrels with Patriarch Bartholomew, who supported Ukrainian Orthodox Church, but for Russian State to say: This is the internal affair of Turkey. I was appalled!
The Greek communist Tsipras expelled Russian diplomats from Greece so he could push through his unpopular name deal with FYROM. Relations between Greece and Russia have been weak ever since. Greece has refused to help Russia consistently, so it is no surprise Russia is cold to Greece.
As for the conversion of the cathedral to a mosque. It has nothing to do with religion, it is about conquest and showing Turkic power to fellow muslims around the world. Over 60% of Turks agree with the conversion so once again, the Western left that is constantly saying Erdogan is unpopular.. is wrong again. Erdogan is the popular Turkish leader in decades. While nations like Armenia, Turkey and China have been expanding, Greece has been doing the opposite and inviting trouble.
When those Turkish drills enter the Greek EEZ, that is when we will see what is left of Hellenism.
Yes, but beyond that, Hagia Sophia is also a heritage of Orthodox Christianity. It is the most important Church in our history. Which is why entire Orthodox Christianity is appalled and upset. Russia used to know that-before.
I do agree to an extent that for Erdogan it has little do to with religion. But for him, Islam is a way to project Turkish "soft power" and impose himself as the leader of Islamic world. So it is not completely unimportant.
Erdogan has embarked on the path of neo-osmanism. The Army was the last shield of Ataturk's secular Turkey. Islam has become the heart of this return to Neo-Ottomanism.
You are correct of course.
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Julho de 2020, 04:28
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:50
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:44
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:11
Good that they've found the cash
The shirts are meh.
BTW, my Oly shirt has arrived. It's an L and it's too big. FFS
You went large??
What height are you?
I am around 5'11 and always go medium with Hellenic football tops. The tricky ones are the Barca shirts. The medium is usually a little tight and the large miles too big.
My Benfica Medium was too tight, so I went with a Large... Big mistake.
You have to come to Athens this summer to get the right one. I'll meet you if I am there.
:smokin:
One of these days. :smokin:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468470803067830272/736273788689186816/IMG_20200724_182850_2.jpg)
Looks good File :smokin:
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Julho de 2020, 18:30
Looks good File :smokin:
My favourite shirt of the last 10 years.
CitaçãoOne of these days. :smokin:
A lot of Benfiquistas have come over. Don't wait years. :coolsmiley:
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:11
Good that they've found the cash
The shirts are meh.
Karipidis is after Balotelli!
https://www.sportime.gr/aris-fc/aris-baloteli-apokleistiko-sportime-pai-gia-ti-megali-vomva/
It seems there is money as Aris, but in true Greek 'entrepreneur' fashion, the guy is running the club by the seat of its pants.
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Julho de 2020, 18:30
Aris transfer ban lifted.
https://www.sport24.gr/football/omades/Aris/arhs-plhrwthhke-o-portigia-telos-to-apagoreytiko-metagrafwn.5736329.html
Panathinaikos sign António Xavier.
Citação de: StellaRojas em 23 de Julho de 2020, 19:40
Another serb comes to Greece, this time for AEK:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ee0SpN-WkAkubC4?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Faliro, when starts the league 2020/2021?
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 10 de Agosto de 2020, 22:13
Faliro, when starts the league 2020/2021?
September 12th.
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 10 de Agosto de 2020, 23:07
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Agosto de 2020, 22:55
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 10 de Agosto de 2020, 22:13
Faliro, when starts the league 2020/2021?
September 12th.
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And the cup final, August 29?
Yea, 30th August, stupid fucking EPO trying to damage olympiacos and it worked...
PAOK vs Besiktas. Tough game.
Citação de: Covenant em 11 de Agosto de 2020, 14:24
PAOK vs Besiktas. Tough game.
Yes, played in the Toumba in a one off game. A lot of money at stake.
I think I may support PAOK for this game.
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:11
Panionios on the verge of collapse.
https://sportdog.gr/sports/podosfairo/article/599302/sok-sto-ellhniko-podosfairo-dialyetai-top-ellhnikh-omada-olataxws-gia-erasitexniko-thlipsh
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Agosto de 2020, 11:42
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:11
Panionios on the verge of collapse.
https://sportdog.gr/sports/podosfairo/article/599302/sok-sto-ellhniko-podosfairo-dialyetai-top-ellhnikh-omada-olataxws-gia-erasitexniko-thlipsh
Thats pretty sad.
Citação de: Calcio em 13 de Agosto de 2020, 14:33
Citação de: Faliro em 13 de Agosto de 2020, 11:42
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Julho de 2020, 02:11
Panionios on the verge of collapse.
https://sportdog.gr/sports/podosfairo/article/599302/sok-sto-ellhniko-podosfairo-dialyetai-top-ellhnikh-omada-olataxws-gia-erasitexniko-thlipsh
Thats pretty sad.
You called it. I assumed their trouble was staying in the league, but in fact their president jumped ship and without a new owner.. looks like they are finished. Same happened to Iraklis.
Ansarifard to AEK. Great signing if he's healthy.
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Agosto de 2020, 15:14
Citação de: Covenant em 11 de Agosto de 2020, 14:24
PAOK vs Besiktas. Tough game.
Yes, played in the Toumba in a one off game. A lot of money at stake.
I think I may support PAOK for this game.
Great victory for PAOK. That kid is that good?
Citação de: Covenant em 26 de Agosto de 2020, 15:34
Citação de: Faliro em 11 de Agosto de 2020, 15:14
Citação de: Covenant em 11 de Agosto de 2020, 14:24
PAOK vs Besiktas. Tough game.
Yes, played in the Toumba in a one off game. A lot of money at stake.
I think I may support PAOK for this game.
Great victory for PAOK. That kid is that good?
Yes. That good. Looked impressive in the last few games of the season too. 18 and very hungry and confident.
Benfica vs. PAOK for the millionth time.
Citação de: Festivus em 31 de Agosto de 2020, 11:18
Benfica vs. PAOK for the millionth time.
With the same result as last time. :)
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Agosto de 2020, 22:25
Citação de: Festivus em 31 de Agosto de 2020, 11:18
Benfica vs. PAOK for the millionth time.
With the same result as last time. :)
That would be nice.
I think we always won at their stadium? Our record against PAOK is nearly 100% victorious, I think.
PAOK just remembers me of the seasons we did not win the championship.
I think Benfica is too strong for PAOK - even at the Toumba, even with a resurgent PAOK.
BTW I think the Toumba crowd many times works against PAOK (I know there will not be a crowd in the game anyway). They turn on their team very easily and put massive pressure of their team. PAO fans often do the same to their team.
Citação de: Ned Kelly em 01 de Setembro de 2020, 14:54
PAOK just remembers me of the seasons we did not win the championship.
In 13/14 we won it.
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Setembro de 2020, 00:06
I think Benfica is too strong for PAOK - even at the Toumba, even with a resurgent PAOK.
BTW I think the Toumba crowd many times works against PAOK (I know there will be not crowd in the game anyway). They turn on their team very easily and put massive pressure of their team. PAO fans often do the same to their team.
Interesting cuz I've seen several fans saying we got the strongest team out of the possible options. Some do say AZ Alkmaar is stronger, however.
Anyway I'm not afraid. If we can't beat fucking PAOK then what's the point of playing Champions League football?
Citação de: Festivus em 02 de Setembro de 2020, 07:20
Citação de: Ned Kelly em 01 de Setembro de 2020, 14:54
PAOK just remembers me of the seasons we did not win the championship.
In 13/14 we won it.
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Setembro de 2020, 00:06
I think Benfica is too strong for PAOK - even at the Toumba, even with a resurgent PAOK.
BTW I think the Toumba crowd many times works against PAOK (I know there will be not crowd in the game anyway). They turn on their team very easily and put massive pressure of their team. PAO fans often do the same to their team.
Interesting cuz I've seen several fans saying we got the strongest team out of the possible options. Some do say AZ Alkmaar is stronger, however.
Anyway I'm not afraid. If we can't beat fucking PAOK then what's the point of playing Champions League football?
Precisely.
The first 30 mins crucial. In my opinion Benfica should load the attack from the first minute.
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Setembro de 2020, 00:06
I think Benfica is too strong for PAOK - even at the Toumba, even with a resurgent PAOK.
BTW I think the Toumba crowd many times works against PAOK (I know there will not be a crowd in the game anyway). They turn on their team very easily and put massive pressure of their team. PAO fans often do the same to their team.
Same as Sporting, it's unbelievable the amount of whistling their own players
(https://bloguedeimagens.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/lagarto.jpg)
Xanthi relegated.
With Panionios it's 2 teams that added flavour to the league.
Giannina & Smyrnis promoted. Don't have much feedback on them. I would like to see Ergotelis, Chania and Panachaiki promoted tho.
Citação de: Calcio em 03 de Setembro de 2020, 19:25
Xanthi relegated.
With Panionios it's 2 teams that added flavour to the league.
Giannina & Smyrnis promoted. Don't have much feedback on them. I would like to see Ergotelis, Chania and Panachaiki promoted tho.
Yes two big losses.
Panionios finally ran out of luck and Xanthi were finished the moment Savvidis got involved with them.
Apollon dont have any fans but a good stadium. Giannina have a terrible stadium and around 4000 fans. Both wont add anything.
I see you want Cretan football to evolve. I believe as the smaller Cretan teams rise, Platanias too.. there will be more pressure on OFI to build a proper stadium. OFI should be bigger than they are - especially when you look at the size of Iraklion.
As for Panaxaiki - the biggest failure of all. Fans, a decent stadium, a good city but just clueless management.
Kalamata has new ownership and they may be back soon if the hype I heard first hand in the Peloponese is to be believed.
Limnios of PAOK has coronavirus, however his moving to cologne is almost complete anyway so that is one less player Benfica have to worry about. He was sold for a bargain basement price of 3.3 million euros having rejected an 8 mil offer a few months ago..
They are bringing in zivkovic, Ninua, Janko and Adrian Pereira.
They are not reinforcing but getting weaker.
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Setembro de 2020, 09:05
Limnios of PAOK has coronavirus, however his moving to cologne is almost complete anyway so that is one less player Benfica have to worry about. He was sold for a bargain basement price of 3.3 million euros having rejected an 8 mil offer a few months ago..
They are bringing in zivkovic, Ninua, Janko and Adrian Pereira.
They are not reinforcing but getting weaker.
Zivkovic it's a good move. If he keeps his focus only on football he is a good player. There's still time to do good things.
Faliro, do you have any information about the possibility of ruben semedo coming to benfica ?
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 08 de Setembro de 2020, 16:32
Faliro, do you have any information about the possibility of ruben semedo coming to benfica ?
Next few days we will see. Price is right, Benfica is first in line.
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Setembro de 2020, 17:37
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 08 de Setembro de 2020, 16:32
Faliro, do you have any information about the possibility of ruben semedo coming to benfica ?
Next few days we will see. Price is right, Benfica is first in line.
By what values do you think the business is made?
In Portugal it is said that Olympiacos does not sell for less than 10M
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 08 de Setembro de 2020, 18:01
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Setembro de 2020, 17:37
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 08 de Setembro de 2020, 16:32
Faliro, do you have any information about the possibility of ruben semedo coming to benfica ?
Next few days we will see. Price is right, Benfica is first in line.
By what values do you think the business is made?
In Portugal it is said that Olympiacos does not sell for less than 10M
I have not been following this case. Over 10 million sounds correct. I heard he has already been sold to Benfica but this could be through a portuguese source. Olympiacos would be happy with the sale as Ba and Cisse are both superb.
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Setembro de 2020, 22:13
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 08 de Setembro de 2020, 18:01
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Setembro de 2020, 17:37
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 08 de Setembro de 2020, 16:32
Faliro, do you have any information about the possibility of ruben semedo coming to benfica ?
Next few days we will see. Price is right, Benfica is first in line.
By what values do you think the business is made?
In Portugal it is said that Olympiacos does not sell for less than 10M
I have not been following this case. Over 10 million sounds correct. I heard he has already been sold to Benfica but this could be through a portuguese source. Olympiacos would be happy with the sale as Ba and Cisse are both superb.
O0
But in Greece this news has not been highlighted, is it that in Portugal it is said that it is very likely that he will become our player?
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 09 de Setembro de 2020, 22:22
Citação de: Faliro em 09 de Setembro de 2020, 22:13
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 08 de Setembro de 2020, 18:01
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Setembro de 2020, 17:37
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 08 de Setembro de 2020, 16:32
Faliro, do you have any information about the possibility of ruben semedo coming to benfica ?
Next few days we will see. Price is right, Benfica is first in line.
By what values do you think the business is made?
In Portugal it is said that Olympiacos does not sell for less than 10M
I have not been following this case. Over 10 million sounds correct. I heard he has already been sold to Benfica but this could be through a portuguese source. Olympiacos would be happy with the sale as Ba and Cisse are both superb.
O0
But in Greece this news has not been highlighted, is it that in Portugal it is said that it is very likely that he will become our player?
Yes. Very little news on his transfer and most of it coming from portugal. I think many Oly fans suspected he would go to Benfica months ago when the first rumours surfaced. Most were ok with it because his replacements are very good.
I think what held up the deal is Benfica wishing to swap some players with Oly to lower the price.
Faliro, Rúben Semedo Benfica and Tomás Tavares Olympiakos?
https://www.sportime.gr/olimpiakos/olimpiakos-apokalipsi-milai-me-tin-benfika-gia-ton-tavares/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
https://twitter.com/geramanolidis/status/1304537597004320768?s=19
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 11 de Setembro de 2020, 23:23
Faliro, Rúben Semedo Benfica and Tomás Tavares Olympiakos?
https://www.sportime.gr/olimpiakos/olimpiakos-apokalipsi-milai-me-tin-benfika-gia-ton-tavares/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
https://twitter.com/geramanolidis/status/1304537597004320768?s=19
10M de Cláusula de opção pelo Tomás !? 😂
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 11 de Setembro de 2020, 23:23
Faliro, Rúben Semedo Benfica and Tomás Tavares Olympiakos?
https://www.sportime.gr/olimpiakos/olimpiakos-apokalipsi-milai-me-tin-benfika-gia-ton-tavares/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
https://twitter.com/geramanolidis/status/1304537597004320768?s=19
Yes. Seems negotiations have been harder than suspected. Appears Olympiacos wants Tavares. He good?
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Setembro de 2020, 07:55
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 11 de Setembro de 2020, 23:23
Faliro, Rúben Semedo Benfica and Tomás Tavares Olympiakos?
https://www.sportime.gr/olimpiakos/olimpiakos-apokalipsi-milai-me-tin-benfika-gia-ton-tavares/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
https://twitter.com/geramanolidis/status/1304537597004320768?s=19
Yes. Seems negotiations have been harder than suspected. Appears Olympiacos wants Tavares. He good?
O0 good player
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 12 de Setembro de 2020, 09:29
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Setembro de 2020, 07:55
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 11 de Setembro de 2020, 23:23
Faliro, Rúben Semedo Benfica and Tomás Tavares Olympiakos?
https://www.sportime.gr/olimpiakos/olimpiakos-apokalipsi-milai-me-tin-benfika-gia-ton-tavares/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
https://twitter.com/geramanolidis/status/1304537597004320768?s=19
Yes. Seems negotiations have been harder than suspected. Appears Olympiacos wants Tavares. He good?
O0 good player
Seems Martins was offered a lot of players from Benfica to help the Semedo transfer but only wanted Tavares.
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Setembro de 2020, 09:59
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 12 de Setembro de 2020, 09:29
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Setembro de 2020, 07:55
Citação de: JMMC_NORTENHO em 11 de Setembro de 2020, 23:23
Faliro, Rúben Semedo Benfica and Tomás Tavares Olympiakos?
https://www.sportime.gr/olimpiakos/olimpiakos-apokalipsi-milai-me-tin-benfika-gia-ton-tavares/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
https://twitter.com/geramanolidis/status/1304537597004320768?s=19
Yes. Seems negotiations have been harder than suspected. Appears Olympiacos wants Tavares. He good?
O0 good player
Seems Martins was offered a lot of players from Benfica to help the Semedo transfer but only wanted Tavares.
O0
Citação de: Calcio em 03 de Setembro de 2020, 19:25
Aris lost their first European home game in over 50 years? Aris were stupid and not determined enough. Oenning sacked and Xaristeas.
On the plus Mateo Garcia is coming back.
OFI also knocked out. Pathetic night all round.
Was just about to post it. FFS Aris
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Setembro de 2020, 22:31
Citação de: Calcio em 03 de Setembro de 2020, 19:25
Oenning sacked and Xaristeas.
Always thought the recruitment was okish. From what I saw Oenning wasn't bad, but Aris needs some continuity.
Hopefully a good portuguese manager takes over. :)
Citação de: Calcio em 17 de Setembro de 2020, 22:37
Was just about to post it. FFS Aris
Pathetic game. One of the worst I have seen fetfa play too. Poor tactics, panic.. Ukrainians calculated and intelligent. Both OFI and Aris leave Europe achieving nothing. Had plenty of time to prepare for these games too.
To be fair to OFI, they are lagging one year behind. They will improve massively once they get... continuity.
Citação de: Calcio em 17 de Setembro de 2020, 22:38
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Setembro de 2020, 22:31
Citação de: Calcio em 03 de Setembro de 2020, 19:25
Oenning sacked and Xaristeas.
Always thought the recruitment was okish. From what I saw Oenning wasn't bad, but Aris needs some continuity.
Hopefully a good portuguese manager takes over. :)
If they have any brains, they will scout a good portuguese manager. Maybe suggest one for them calcio? :coolsmiley:
They have been ultra disorganised so far.
Former Sporting coach Silas would do alright, I reckon.
Jorge Simão could also do good in the Gregão.
There's also João Henriques, who could make the Kleanthis Vikelidis a home fortress but I don't rate him highly either.
These 3 wouldn't be a jump in quality when compared to Oenning, but they could potentially make a solid base.
The portuguese market for Aris ain't that big, for what the club aspires.
Citação de: Calcio em 17 de Setembro de 2020, 22:47
Former Sporting coach Silas would do alright, I reckon.
Jorge Simão could also do good in the Gregão.
There's also João Henriques, who could make the Kleanthis Vikelidis a home fortress but I don't rate him highly either.
These 3 wouldn't be a jump in quality when compared to Oenning, but they could potentially make a solid base.
The portuguese market for Aris ain't that big, for what the club aspires.
Favourite is Schuster with Cambiasso as technical director.
I like the Cambiasso idea. Not Schuster tho...
If Zivkovic wants to, he'll be the best player in Greece by far. Honestly, what a move from PAOK.
Citação de: Bryan. em 18 de Setembro de 2020, 21:53
If Zivkovic wants to, he'll be the best player in Greece by far. Honestly, what a move from PAOK.
Scored again today in PAOK's 1-1 draw with Atromitos you probably saw. I dislike PAOK immensely, but they are being clever this season. They have some very good youth players.
Will be curious to see how he does.
PAOK also complete on Antonio Colak and Moussa Wague (loan).
Citação de: Calcio em 25 de Agosto de 2020, 18:40
Ansarifard to AEK. Great signing if he's healthy.
There it is! :)
Massive for greek football :smokin:
Citação de: Calcio em 01 de Outubro de 2020, 21:41
Citação de: Calcio em 25 de Agosto de 2020, 18:40
Ansarifard to AEK. Great signing if he's healthy.
There it is! :)
Massive for greek football :smokin:
Could not believe the result when i saw it.
(https://i.snipboard.io/6OnP0k.jpg)
(https://i.snipboard.io/GcPsIR.jpg)
Great victory for AEK.
Signatures fell (to use the greek terminology) on the new PAO stadium today. Funding is secured from mixture of banks who own the adjacent shopping mall and regional funds. Construction will begin next year.
The stadium will be a 35k-40k stadium (largest football specific stadium in Greece) and will keep the baby Dragão design by Salgado from 2006:
(https://www.sport24.gr/img/8773/9055839/505000/w620/620/votanikos.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/g6x8NeVmaDtAIU4Aa8VTSvr2KlZzAdjUEcwomktBLgDsxoLZpZepUFhL2VbBd4niz84BpPCILGsOTd5IohiYcl0P4MTRXnCNnT9zPfxxWMUxNssf9BvWul7eoEQEKIs)
(https://i.imgur.com/bI0zEjU.jpg)
https://www.sport24.gr/football/panathinaikos-gipedo-votanikos-dragao.9055831.html
40k to host around 15k :rir:
Citação de: Calcio em 20 de Novembro de 2020, 21:01
40k to host around 15k :rir:
Sorry for the typo. I am so used to writing "k" after a figure. Should read capacity between 35 to 40 fans. Even in the render in the first picture I posted, there only seems to be around 6 people outside the stadium.. must be a derby day or just the usual confused US tourists believing they will see Boston Celtics on tour..
:2funny:
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Novembro de 2020, 16:12
Signatures fell (to use the greek terminology) on the new PAO stadium today. Funding is secured from mixture of banks who own the adjacent shopping mall and regional funds. Construction will begin next year.
The stadium will be a 35k-40k stadium (largest football specific stadium in Greece) and will keep the baby Dragão design by Salgado from 2006
https://www.sport24.gr/football/panathinaikos-gipedo-votanikos-dragao.9055831.html
What is the utility of the Olympic stadium today? Is it only available for finals, international events or concerts? It looks like it's empty all time of the year.
Citação de: Galrinho1# em 20 de Novembro de 2020, 23:36
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Novembro de 2020, 16:12
Signatures fell (to use the greek terminology) on the new PAO stadium today. Funding is secured from mixture of banks who own the adjacent shopping mall and regional funds. Construction will begin next year.
The stadium will be a 35k-40k stadium (largest football specific stadium in Greece) and will keep the baby Dragão design by Salgado from 2006
https://www.sport24.gr/football/panathinaikos-gipedo-votanikos-dragao.9055831.html
What is the utility of the Olympic stadium today? Is it only available for finals, international events or concerts? It looks like it's empty all time of the year.
It currently hosts both PAO and AEK and because of the stupidity of the Greek federation, rarely even hosts cup finals these days.
It seems empty because PAO and AEK can barely fill it, although to be fair to AEK, they are getting 50k crowds there for nearly all their European games. However for home games vs a team like Volos or OFI.. maybe about 17k.. to 9k...
I have actually been to the OAKA to watch the 200m final in the Olympics. It truly is a poor stadium for the fans although I was on the bottom tier. The stadium always suits the away side. Unless it is full it is hard to build an atmosphere there.
The OAKA used to host more events. I thought the Acropolis Rally being held there was pretty cool.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hVr-UZRyU88
AEK leave at the end of the season to their new home and when PAO finish their stadium in 2023, I am not sure what it will be used for besides cup finals.
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Novembro de 2020, 23:55
Citação de: Galrinho1# em 20 de Novembro de 2020, 23:36
Citação de: Faliro em 20 de Novembro de 2020, 16:12
Signatures fell (to use the greek terminology) on the new PAO stadium today. Funding is secured from mixture of banks who own the adjacent shopping mall and regional funds. Construction will begin next year.
The stadium will be a 35k-40k stadium (largest football specific stadium in Greece) and will keep the baby Dragão design by Salgado from 2006
https://www.sport24.gr/football/panathinaikos-gipedo-votanikos-dragao.9055831.html
What is the utility of the Olympic stadium today? Is it only available for finals, international events or concerts? It looks like it's empty all time of the year.
It currently hosts both PAO and AEK and because of the stupidity of the Greek federation, rarely even hosts cup finals these days.
It seems empty because PAO and AEK can barely fill it, although to be fair to AEK, they are getting 50k crowds there for nearly all their European games. However for home games vs a team like Volos or OFI.. maybe about 17k.. to 9k...
I have actually been to the OAKA to watch the 200m final in the Olympics. It truly is a poor stadium for the fans although I was on the bottom tier. The stadium always suits the away side. Unless it is full it is hard to build an atmosphere there.
The OAKA used to host more events. I thought the Acropolis Rally being held there was pretty cool.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hVr-UZRyU88
AEK leave at the end of the season to their new home and when PAO finish their stadium in 2023, I am not sure what it will be used for besides cup finals.
Thanks. O0
That stadium reminds me of the only olympic game I bought. Many hours playing this ;D
(https://www.np4game.com/wp-content/uploads/1970/01/Jogo-Athens-2004-PS2-NP4Game.jpg)
:2funny:
I remember that Olympics. All the Greek guys just wanted tickets for the female beach volleyball.. :estrelas:
Panathinaikos is a big club, they just need a good team and a good stadium.
Citação de: Covenant em 21 de Novembro de 2020, 19:54
Panathinaikos is a big club, they just need a good team and a good stadium.
Concerning the stadium, according to the Amateur PAO president yesterday it will be 40k and therefore the biggest football specific stadium in Greece. The design by Manuel Salgado, despite being 16 years old, looks superior to most the other stadia in Greece. The plot in Votanikos is also huge despite being in central Athens. It is a massive project.
(https://jacobspong.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/pana.jpg?w=640)
The stadium is set to be completed by 2023 (all planning was passed years ago). Taking into account AEK's Agia Sofia facility is almost finished, by 2023, the stadium makeup of the top Super League teams will be very different from today.
PAO Votanikos - 40k
Nea Toumba - 37k?
Karaiskaki - 32k
Agia Sofia - 31k
Compared to today where AEK and PAO are forced to play at the OAKA and the Toumba resembles a stadium in Syria.
The new list is still not spectacular, but enough to dominate the entire peninsular and enough to make Athens a type of footballing capital. Nearly all managers and players have cited Greece's lack of good stadia as holding it back. Everything else is there - passion, technical knowledge, training facilities. The stadiums were the weak point. We must also remember that Greek stadiums are excessively urban. Rarely in Greece do fans agree to move their stadiums away from where the original stadiums were. This is why AEK had to settle for a smaller stadium at Nea Filadelfeia - simply because they wanted the new stadium built on the same ground as the old one. The new Toumba will also be built on the site of the old one despite more suitable sites being available out of town. Why this is good in a way though is that although the stadiums will therefore never be massive - they are claustrophobic for the away side both inside and out and this is another advantage that the Greeks have managed to keep.
Concerning PAO, they used to be massive. Their basketball department still is very well supported.
I suspect when the stadium is built they will actually fill it for the derbies and European games because of their nature. In Greece their fans are known as rabbits. Always hiding. But there are still many of them. They just don't want to be associated with the current club and only turn up when they think they have a chance of winning. :rir: Even more funny, I know one or two Vazelos who go to watch Olympiacos in Europe in a bar on TV - only to support the opposing team. When it is clear Olympiacos are winning they leave angry. Why this is absurd is that I see them going to watch Olympiacos hoping that the other team beats us, more than I see them going to bars to watch their own team.. Finally, whatever anyone says, PAO is a team of the wealthy in Athens. Most the career politicians and wealthy celebs love PAO - hence why they are not paying for any of this stadium themselves. The Government is giving them a nice present.
BTW, was the derby today, OSFP vs PAO. We won 1-0 despite missing half the team.. Xolebas, El Arabi, Hassan, Vinagre, Valbuena etc all out.. PAO's Portuguese winger Xavier seems to have picked up a nasty knock. Was in tears leaving the pitch.
Greeks are right, the stadiuns need to be in the city, in Portugal most of the stadiuns gor euro 04 were rebuilt in the site of the previous stadiuns, Braga had a stadium close to city center instead of rebuilting it they choose to built the most expebdive stadium in Pirtugal, a monster in the midle of nowhere.
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 22 de Novembro de 2020, 10:50
Greeks are right, the stadiuns need to be in the city, in Portugal most of the stadiuns gor euro 04 were rebuilt in the site of the previous stadiuns, Braga had a stadium close to city center instead of rebuilting it they choose to built the most expebdive stadium in Pirtugal, a monster in the midle of nowhere.
Aveiro same thing.
The Braga stadium is simply a fascinating feet of engineering.
Will be curious if they ever build a 3rd stand.
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Novembro de 2020, 18:28
The Braga stadium is simply a fascinating feet of engineering.
Will be curious if they ever build a 3rd stand.
It is ugly. Even the club want to left the stadium.
Citação de: Covenant em 22 de Novembro de 2020, 18:55
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Novembro de 2020, 18:28
The Braga stadium is simply a fascinating feet of engineering.
Will be curious if they ever build a 3rd stand.
It is ugly. Even the club want to left the stadium.
Too far from town?
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Novembro de 2020, 19:05
Citação de: Covenant em 22 de Novembro de 2020, 18:55
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Novembro de 2020, 18:28
The Braga stadium is simply a fascinating feet of engineering.
Will be curious if they ever build a 3rd stand.
It is ugly. Even the club want to left the stadium.
Too far from town?
Yap. They have a plan to reform their old stadium or build a new one in the same place.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/braga_1_maio.shtml
Aris seems to have gotten their manager choice correct!
Citação de: Calcio em 14 de Dezembro de 2020, 23:39
Aris seems to have gotten their manager choice correct!
Not only that, they may have just finished off PAOK on and off the field!
Marios Siampanis said someone approached him with the offer of a large sum to throw the game for PAOK! He has given his evidence to the prosecutor's office!
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Novembro de 2020, 18:28
The Braga stadium is simply a fascinating feet of engineering.
Will be curious if they ever build a 3rd stand.
It's a big pile of shit, the most expensive and one of the most useless stadium in the country.
Mitro to ARIS
Citação de: T1n0_SLB em 16 de Dezembro de 2020, 22:56
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Novembro de 2020, 18:28
The Braga stadium is simply a fascinating feet of engineering.
Will be curious if they ever build a 3rd stand.
It's a big pile of shit, the most expensive and one of the most useless stadium in the country.
Aveiro, Leiria, Algarve, even Coimbra... Are more useless than Braga.
Mitroglou to Aris:
(https://metrosportls-sf.cdn.edgeport.net/portal-img/post-large/161/142627476-152759653317004-7103869281601048752-n.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Janeiro de 2021, 15:06
Mitroglou to Aris:
(https://metrosportls-sf.cdn.edgeport.net/portal-img/post-large/161/142627476-152759653317004-7103869281601048752-n.jpg)
Good luck Mitrogolo!
Aris is a great club for him.
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Janeiro de 2021, 15:33
Citação de: Faliro em 25 de Janeiro de 2021, 15:06
Mitroglou to Aris:
(https://metrosportls-sf.cdn.edgeport.net/portal-img/post-large/161/142627476-152759653317004-7103869281601048752-n.jpg)
Good luck Mitrogolo!
Aris is a great club for him.
I forgot about his professionalism. When he got off the plane yesterday the first thing he asked the Aris staff is if he would be able to make the 11 vs AEL today! He reminds me of one of those assassins in a Hollywood movie. Just business, no emotion. Look at his signing. Not even a smile.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CKg8PwzAgrd/
I saw that AE Larissa is playing at the old stadium now and they're currently on track to go down, even with a healty owner.
What happened to them?
Also, Panionios restarted from the bottom? Why?
Citação de: Calcio em 05 de Fevereiro de 2021, 20:19
I saw that AE Larissa is playing at the old stadium now and they're currently on track to go down, even with a healty owner.
What happened to them?
Also, Panionios restarted from the bottom? Why?
Well AEL's owner is insane. His name is Kougias and he is hated by the fans of any club he buys. Since he came to AEL the main fans clubs have refused to attend games. It gets worse. He fell out with the owner of the the AEL arena due to arguments about rents. Interestingly AEL fans always hated that nice new stadium and always wanted to return to their historical stadium - the rundown Alcazar - so Kougias officially moved the team back there and the idiot owner of the new AEL Arena wants to turn the stadium into a water park in response...
On the pitch AEL have suffered - they filled their team with Balkan rejects. They finally have a good manager - Gianluca Festa - so they have chance of surviving. However the team has lost prestige. These central Greek teams like Volos, Trikala etc are always looking for some consistency.
Panionios were in massive debt. They were relegated to the 4th division (amateur division) last year and ordered to stay there for 2 years by a Greek judge. Worse, many of their stupid fans tried to blame Olympiacos talking the usual Greek BS about refs being controlled by Olympiacos bla bla bla.. The club - admitted by some Panionios fans - was finically mismanaged for 7 years. Even though they winning all their games down there, it will be a while until we see them back up again. They have been in financial trouble before.
I think the big 5 Greek clubs will consolidate their power the next few years - always occupying the top 5 spots in the league. They will get better stadia and players. The smaller teams will struggle. Xanthi doesn't look like it will get back up this year either.
What is the situation with Panathinaikos nowadays? What is the state of their new stadium?
Citação de: Covenant em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 14:01
What is the situation with Panathinaikos nowadays? What is the state of their new stadium?
The Greeks are indulging in that nasty habit of trying to make it smaller and smaller. :rir:
The design and agreement was for a 40k capacity state of the art stadium. They are trying to get it into the low 30k ballpark now.. The stadium has the green light and funding and even the Panathinaikos amateur back the project now that the stupid Giannakopoulos has been muted. Work can probably start this year if Greek bureaucratic idiocy is kept to a minimum. The PAO amateur is about to hand over Leoforos to the state in exchange for the new Votanikos stadium. Leoforos will be demolished and turned into park. The Votanikos project also includes a vast park. This will massively improve Athens too and cement Athens as the football capital of the Balkans and beyond.
Panathinaikos as a club has undergone a rebirth with their new manager Boloni who is a clever chap. They have also strengthened various positions this year as their European competition ban ends this summer and they will be allowed back in the Europa Cup. Even the PAO owner - Alafouzos who had lost interest in his club is now more interested since the state promised to green light the Votanikos stadium. Panathianikos have turned a corner and will attempt to re-emerge after their previous troubles and then I expect to see all their fans come out of hiding..
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 15:37
Citação de: Covenant em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 14:01
What is the situation with Panathinaikos nowadays? What is the state of their new stadium?
The Greeks are indulging in that nasty habit of trying to make it smaller and smaller. :rir:
The design and agreement was for a 40k capacity state of the art stadium. They are trying to get it into the low 30k ballpark now.. The stadium has the green light and funding and even the Panathinaikos amateur back the project now that the stupid Giannakopoulos has been muted. Work can probably start this year if Greek bureaucratic idiocy is kept to a minimum. The PAO amateur is about to hand over Leoforos to the state in exchange for the new Votanikos stadium. Leoforos will be demolished and turned into park. The Votanikos project also includes a vast park. This will massively improve Athens too and cement Athens as the football capital of the Balkans and beyond.
Panathinaikos as a club has undergone a rebirth with their new manager Boloni who is a clever chap. They have also strengthened various positions this year as their European competition ban ends this summer and they will be allowed back in the Europa Cup. Even the PAO owner - Alafouzos who had lost interest in his club is now more interested since the state promised to green light the Votanikos stadium. Panathianikos have turned a corner and will attempt to re-emerge after their previous troubles and then I expect to see all their fans come out of hiding..
Thanks bro! 💪
Hellas football never fails to amaze me.
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 17:55
Hellas football never fails to amaze me.
I know what you mean. Like a psychedelic soap opera. BTW you probably remember Kougias from years ago when I showed a picture of him getting attacked by the fans of his own club while at Panaxaiki..
(https://nantiareport.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/wpid-photogrid_1433153575867.jpg)
To think.. he was president of AEK a few times..
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 19:16
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 17:55
Hellas football never fails to amaze me.
I know what you mean. Like a psychedelic soap opera. BTW you probably remember Kougias from years ago when I showed a picture of him getting attacked by the fans of his own club while at Panaxaiki..
(https://nantiareport.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/wpid-photogrid_1433153575867.jpg)
To think.. he was president of AEK a few times..
Talking about it, why isnt Panachaiki a bigger club?
Patras is pretty big and it seems like theres a lot of potential there?
FYI when I say that hellas football amazes me, this is also the kind of stuff. Theres enormous potential in the league, but it seems new formed clubs or clubs from villages get to actually play at the top while bigger fanbases are left to roth.
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 19:26
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 19:16
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 17:55
Hellas football never fails to amaze me.
I know what you mean. Like a psychedelic soap opera. BTW you probably remember Kougias from years ago when I showed a picture of him getting attacked by the fans of his own club while at Panaxaiki..
(https://nantiareport.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/wpid-photogrid_1433153575867.jpg)
To think.. he was president of AEK a few times..
Talking about it, why isnt Panachaiki a bigger club?
Patras is pretty big and it seems like theres a lot of potential there?
FYI when I say that hellas football amazes me, this is also the kind of stuff. Theres enormous potential in the league, but it seems new formed clubs or clubs from villages get to actually play at the top while bigger fanbases are left to roth.
So many people ask this question - Greek and foreign alike. Paras is a powerful city. The team has dedicated fans. There is huge potential there. The only thing I can come up with is the complete lack of professionalism concerning those who own the club. I lost count of the amount of decent managers that have quit that team saying the owners are not allowing them to do their job. It seems the owners do all they can to make the club fail.
You are right about your analysis too. How the fuck Levadiakos stayed in the top flight for so long.. Look at Apollon Smyrnis with their 3 fans...This is where I believe corruption may come in. Remember when suddenly Asteras Tripoli became a thing out if nowhere? A team filled with decent Argentinians and south Americans that remained unbeaten at home for years? This mysterious Greek guy called Bakos owns them - a guy that became rich somewhere in the Arab East? Many suggested he was cleaning money for an even bigger client... OK.. you get small teams who were just superbly run like Ergotelis/ Panaitolikos etc but I suspect many of these smaller teams were money cleaning operations.. teams like Kavala, Olympiakos Bolou, Xanthi etc. As it stands of course teams like Panaxaiki should be in the Super League, but they never make it..
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 19:45
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 19:26
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 19:16
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 17:55
Hellas football never fails to amaze me.
I know what you mean. Like a psychedelic soap opera. BTW you probably remember Kougias from years ago when I showed a picture of him getting attacked by the fans of his own club while at Panaxaiki..
(https://nantiareport.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/wpid-photogrid_1433153575867.jpg)
To think.. he was president of AEK a few times..
Talking about it, why isnt Panachaiki a bigger club?
Patras is pretty big and it seems like theres a lot of potential there?
FYI when I say that hellas football amazes me, this is also the kind of stuff. Theres enormous potential in the league, but it seems new formed clubs or clubs from villages get to actually play at the top while bigger fanbases are left to roth.
So many people ask this question - Greek and foreign alike. Paras is a powerful city. The team has dedicated fans. There is huge potential there. The only thing I can come up with is the complete lack of professionalism concerning those who own the club. I lost count of the amount of decent managers that have quit that team saying the owners are not allowing them to do their job. It seems the owners do all they can to make the club fail.
You are right about your analysis too. How the fuck Levadiakos stayed in the top flight for so long.. Look at Apollon Smyrnis with their 3 fans...This is where I believe corruption may come in. Remember when suddenly Asteras Tripoli became a thing out if nowhere? A team filled with decent Argentinians and south Americans that remained unbeaten at home for years? This mysterious Greek guy called Bakos owns them - a guy that became rich somewhere in the Arab East? Many suggested he was cleaning money for an even bigger client... OK.. you get small teams who were just superbly run like Ergotelis/ Panaitolikos etc but I suspect many of these smaller teams were money cleaning operations.. teams like Kavala, Olympiakos Bolou, Xanthi etc. As it stands of course teams like Panaxaiki should be in the Super League, but they never make it..
Funilly enough you named two teams that have owners, and one of them is an egyptian guy that owns a club in his homeland.
Asteras looks like a very interesting case.
Anyways, if I was a rich man I would buy a greek team without a doubt. Albeit it would be one with a extensive past and a loyal fanbase that can actually be grown.
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 20:06
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 19:45
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 19:26
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 19:16
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 17:55
Hellas football never fails to amaze me.
I know what you mean. Like a psychedelic soap opera. BTW you probably remember Kougias from years ago when I showed a picture of him getting attacked by the fans of his own club while at Panaxaiki..
(https://nantiareport.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/wpid-photogrid_1433153575867.jpg)
To think.. he was president of AEK a few times..
Talking about it, why isnt Panachaiki a bigger club?
Patras is pretty big and it seems like theres a lot of potential there?
FYI when I say that hellas football amazes me, this is also the kind of stuff. Theres enormous potential in the league, but it seems new formed clubs or clubs from villages get to actually play at the top while bigger fanbases are left to roth.
So many people ask this question - Greek and foreign alike. Paras is a powerful city. The team has dedicated fans. There is huge potential there. The only thing I can come up with is the complete lack of professionalism concerning those who own the club. I lost count of the amount of decent managers that have quit that team saying the owners are not allowing them to do their job. It seems the owners do all they can to make the club fail.
You are right about your analysis too. How the fuck Levadiakos stayed in the top flight for so long.. Look at Apollon Smyrnis with their 3 fans...This is where I believe corruption may come in. Remember when suddenly Asteras Tripoli became a thing out if nowhere? A team filled with decent Argentinians and south Americans that remained unbeaten at home for years? This mysterious Greek guy called Bakos owns them - a guy that became rich somewhere in the Arab East? Many suggested he was cleaning money for an even bigger client... OK.. you get small teams who were just superbly run like Ergotelis/ Panaitolikos etc but I suspect many of these smaller teams were money cleaning operations.. teams like Kavala, Olympiakos Bolou, Xanthi etc. As it stands of course teams like Panaxaiki should be in the Super League, but they never make it..
Funilly enough you named two teams that have owners, and one of them is an egyptian guy that owns a club in his homeland.
Asteras looks like a very interesting case.
Anyways, if I was a rich man I would buy a greek team without a doubt. Albeit it would be one with a extensive past and a loyal fanbase that can actually be grown.
Asteras is a bizarre case. Really ambiguous what went on there. Not much investigative journalism in Greece. :2funny:
I often wonder which team I would buy in Greece if i was rich too. ;D
Kalamata would be a fun one to own. Nice part of the world. Loyal fans. Could have a killer academy down there as people are very strong around there. Could also build a very good little stadium. Greece doesn't have many highly populated plated places so options are limited.
I would buy Aris.
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 19:16
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 17:55
Hellas football never fails to amaze me.
I know what you mean. Like a psychedelic soap opera. BTW you probably remember Kougias from years ago when I showed a picture of him getting attacked by the fans of his own club while at Panaxaiki..
(https://nantiareport.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/wpid-photogrid_1433153575867.jpg)
To think.. he was president of AEK a few times..
Which club he really like? AEK?
Citação de: Covenant em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 20:37
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 19:16
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 17:55
Hellas football never fails to amaze me.
I know what you mean. Like a psychedelic soap opera. BTW you probably remember Kougias from years ago when I showed a picture of him getting attacked by the fans of his own club while at Panaxaiki..
(https://nantiareport.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/wpid-photogrid_1433153575867.jpg)
To think.. he was president of AEK a few times..
Which club he really like? AEK?
Bizarrely I think Olympiacos. :2funny:
The other clubs went apoplectic when he defended Marinakis and said Olympiacos win because we have the best team. Also Kougias has a vendetta against Melissanidis. Btw Marinakis was fully acquitted this week of all charges against him that have been going on for years to do with a boat full of drugs.. the Noor1..
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 20:21
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 20:06
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 19:45
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 19:26
Citação de: Faliro em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 19:16
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 17:55
Hellas football never fails to amaze me.
I know what you mean. Like a psychedelic soap opera. BTW you probably remember Kougias from years ago when I showed a picture of him getting attacked by the fans of his own club while at Panaxaiki..
(https://nantiareport.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/wpid-photogrid_1433153575867.jpg)
To think.. he was president of AEK a few times..
Talking about it, why isnt Panachaiki a bigger club?
Patras is pretty big and it seems like theres a lot of potential there?
FYI when I say that hellas football amazes me, this is also the kind of stuff. Theres enormous potential in the league, but it seems new formed clubs or clubs from villages get to actually play at the top while bigger fanbases are left to roth.
So many people ask this question - Greek and foreign alike. Paras is a powerful city. The team has dedicated fans. There is huge potential there. The only thing I can come up with is the complete lack of professionalism concerning those who own the club. I lost count of the amount of decent managers that have quit that team saying the owners are not allowing them to do their job. It seems the owners do all they can to make the club fail.
You are right about your analysis too. How the fuck Levadiakos stayed in the top flight for so long.. Look at Apollon Smyrnis with their 3 fans...This is where I believe corruption may come in. Remember when suddenly Asteras Tripoli became a thing out if nowhere? A team filled with decent Argentinians and south Americans that remained unbeaten at home for years? This mysterious Greek guy called Bakos owns them - a guy that became rich somewhere in the Arab East? Many suggested he was cleaning money for an even bigger client... OK.. you get small teams who were just superbly run like Ergotelis/ Panaitolikos etc but I suspect many of these smaller teams were money cleaning operations.. teams like Kavala, Olympiakos Bolou, Xanthi etc. As it stands of course teams like Panaxaiki should be in the Super League, but they never make it..
Funilly enough you named two teams that have owners, and one of them is an egyptian guy that owns a club in his homeland.
Asteras looks like a very interesting case.
Anyways, if I was a rich man I would buy a greek team without a doubt. Albeit it would be one with a extensive past and a loyal fanbase that can actually be grown.
Asteras is a bizarre case. Really ambiguous what went on there. Not much investigative journalism in Greece. :2funny:
I often wonder which team I would buy in Greece if i was rich too. ;D
Kalamata would be a fun one to own. Nice part of the world. Loyal fans. Could have a killer academy down there as people are very strong around there. Could also build a very good little stadium. Greece doesn't have many highly populated plated places so options are limited.
You obviously have more knowledge than me when it comes to Greece and greek footbal,, wasn't expecting Kalamata in your "picks".
Without an order, and only going be aesthetics and little stuff that I've read/learned, it would be the following:
- Aris: I think my history posting in this topic shows that I've always admired them. Potential for the new stadium and loyal fanbase.
- Iraklis: return the club where they are supposed to be. Loyal fanbase and potential for a new stadium (I'm aware of the Kaftanzoglio, but I think its too big)
- OFI: so much good stuff here. Crete, loyal fanbase, potential new stadium and also historic club
- Volos: doing what the city couldnt do, buy Niki, Oly and merge with NPS. Theres a lot of potential here with a stadium already in place
- Larisa: do I need to say anything?
- Chania: theres something that attracts me to this club. Potential new stadium in an island that already has OFI and Ergotellis. Fun rivalries.
- Panachaiki: already discussed
- Ionikos: I think they could be a feeder type project
- Trikala: historic club (I think?) with potential
- Kalamata: really curious about your perspective
- Panionios: dont really need to make a case
Please indulge me forward. Im loving this discussion. :)
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 21:06
You obviously have more knowledge than me when it comes to Greece and greek footbal,, wasn't expecting Kalamata in your "picks".
Well I have to admit I am a bit biased to that part of Greece, my grandfather was from Kynouria.
CitaçãoWithout an order, and only going be aesthetics and little stuff that I've read/learned, it would be the following:
- Aris: I think my history posting in this topic shows that I've always admired them. Potential for the new stadium and loyal fanbase.
I think the best option. You can rebuild the Xarilaou at minimum cost and have a new 28k stadium there. Not only that - you will fill that stadium to capacity many times a year. All the Europa / CL games will be sold out - plus all the cup games with the other 4 big clubs, plus the league derbies with the same 4 will be sell outs. Because of the playoffs - you will most likely have around at least 2 home games with each of the big 4 per season in the league alone. The club will earn a lot of money run properly. Huge potential. T
he God of War is probably the one you want - an original team of Salonika and not some refugee team from Asia Minor like AEK/ PAOK/ Panionios/Apollon/Kalamaria etc etc. Best bet would be wrestling 51% of the shares off Karipidis and his wife.. Would be a super product to own.
CitaçãoIraklis: return the club where they are supposed to be. Loyal fanbase and potential for a new stadium (I'm aware of the Kaftanzoglio, but I think its too big)
I am not so keen on them for political reasons. Firstly you are correct - the Kaftanzoglou is far too big for them and they were rumoured to be ambitious develop a near by plot they own a few meters from the stadium which has their athletic centre. You can probably build a decent 15k stadium there which is more than enough for what is left of their fans:
(https://i.snipboard.io/GbVeWN.jpg)
As for the club itself it is in the unfortunate position of never being relegated due to performance on the pitch but always due to point reductions due to financial problems.. However, I remember one time - there fans marched on Salonika (they do that often..) and they threatened the EPO/Greek government that unless their points were returned - they would join the league of Republic of North Macedonia - a sworn enemy of the Greek state. After that I lost all respect for them and all those Che Guevara banners they have at their games made more sense to me..
Citação- OFI: so much good stuff here. Crete, loyal fanbase, potential new stadium and also historic club
Super club to have. I would 100% build them a new stadium of around 15k-20k capacity but near the urban sprawl of Iraklio - not out in the middle of no where like Xanthi did when they abandoned their superb urban AOX stadium. Cretans are exceptionally loyal and would adore a better facility if given the option. However, it seems many OFI fans like their crummy old stadium.. There is still a bit you can do with it but it would involve building over more of the cemetery..
(https://i.snipboard.io/1bRuPs.jpg)
Building there you can probably get the capacity up to 12k.
Citação- Volos: doing what the city couldnt do, buy Niki, Oly and merge with NPS. Theres a lot of potential here with a stadium already in place
True.. it is a shame that guy Beos is still so involved with everything in that city.. Also the Oly/Niki fans detest each other and detest NPS even more.. Of course all these fans should look at things logically and unite into one team. I was thinking the badges and colours could be united fairly easily - NPS has already done the colours bit... It just seems they are too tribal in that city.. Beos wants to build a new stadium for NPS. He even made some rudimentary plans. If he does start construction, uniting the 3 may become more of a reality..
CitaçãoLarisa: do I need to say anything?
So so unfortunate the AEL fans 1/ Detest the state of the art AEL arena - I have never been there but they say it is too cold.. :huh: 2/ Detest Kougias... AEL has massive potential and history.
CitaçãoChania: theres something that attracts me to this club. Potential new stadium in an island that already has OFI and Ergotellis. Fun rivalries.
Agreed. Crete in general has massive potential. Like Mallorcans however - they are not smart with stadia (I still can't believe Mallorca abandoned the Sitja... stupid stupid decision). Xania however has the Perivolia stadium that has massive potential. Also Xania is just a lovely town anyway. Would be a good investment. The island has strong links to Olympiacos too.
CitaçãoPanachaiki: already discussed
Old school stadium, like the stadium of Serres (see below). Can finish the stadium off (they are missing a stand behind the goal) and just let the team fly. Only bad management has stopped that club. It has fans, a big city with airport, ferry terminal, excellent motorway connections etc etc.. It is ready to be taken over by someone who has an IQ over 100.
CitaçãoIonikos: I think they could be a feeder type project
Super little urban club with a sweet little japanese style stadium: Neapoli. These clubs are much abused. For example there used to be a club called Xalkidona FC. It was in the Super League. Atromitos merged with it to steal its Super League status (a common trick clubs use in Greece to get promoted artificially or write off debts (Iraklis have done this a few times)).. I don't think the place has enough fans. BTW Halkidona FC restarted itself as an amateur team the same way Wimbledon FC did when they were trashed by the merger with Milton Keynes.
CitaçãoTrikala: historic club (I think?) with potential
This is one I would be tempted by. Fortounis is from there. :bow2: Beautiful city (by Greek mainland standards..) and I agree a lot of potential. I think their crest is pretty iconic, but I would build a football specific stadium for them. Their stadium is actually very cool, but i cant stand the running track.. Trikala are more progressive than Volos. The city was divided between two clubs: Achilles and AET. They merged in 63 for the common good. Trikala have massively underachieved over the years.
CitaçãoKalamata: really curious about your perspective
Lovely prosperous city in its own weird humid climatic belt with a good beach running most the length of the city. The city has stadiums, yacht harbours, airport and only 2.5 hours from Athens thanks to the new motorway! The Peloponnese needs a club the the entire peninsular can get behind. Maybe a club to unite the entire place somehow. If not Panaxaiki, why not Kalamata? Loyal fans. Locals are very authentic. Would be great to see Kalamata in the Super League again. Finally Kalamata is always improving itself and growing. It has a curious urban plan. I enjoyed staying there.
CitaçãoPanionios: dont really need to make a case
Yes. Easy choice. I never liked the Panionios stadium. Such a super plot - so much space - and such a cheap disaster of a disaster. They don't want to get rid of the athletics track because of their athletic department.. ::bater:: The stadium they proposed a while ago was superb, but the main investor abandoned the club leaving them in freefall..
CitaçãoPlease indulge me forward. Im loving this discussion. :)
Four more that would tempt me if I was a millionaire.
1/ Serres (Panserraikos). Super stadium that with not much money could be even better:
(https://www.ogol.com.br/img/estadios/700/56700_med_serres_stadium.jpg)
City has potential to grow.
2/ Nafplion. Perhaps one of the most beautiful cities in Greece. Again, beautiful part of the world, former capital of Greece. Club there has a stupid name imo:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannafpliakos_F.C.
I would simply name the club after a mythological hero from the region or a Greek War of Indepedence hero. Maybe something to do with the name of the region in which it sits, which for me is one of the coolest names in the world,
the Argolid. The city needs a nice football specific stadium. That a city that has everything. A proper 1830s old quarter with some buildings even older than that. A newer area - clean and wealthy with tonnes of shops. The city has beaches, ports. I would be happy to invest there. A very very good place to invest.
3/ SPARTA!!!!! A/ Would redesign their stupid logo to a simple 'Λ.' Gold on a red background. Gold to represent bronze weapons and red for the colour of ancient spartan cloaks. B/ Move to a new football specific stadium of around 10k-15k and name it after the bottomless pit;
Kaiadas (Καιάδας) that ancient Spartans would chuck their enemies into. C/ Colours would be red and gold. If any idea can unite the people of the Peloponnese - it is this one. Also Sparti is near the geographic centre of the Peloponnese. Notice how Asteras try the same and attempt to speak for the whole of the Peloponnese by writing "Morias" on their stand.. the medieval name for the Peloponnese..
(https://footballtripper.com/wp-content/uploads/Theodoros-Kolokotronis-Stadium-east.jpg)
4/ Xalkida. Every Greek I know loves this city with its 'crazy waters.'
(https://i1.wp.com/www.peristerinews.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/xalkida-2.jpg?ssl=1)
(https://www.massaliatours.gr/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/ekdromi-stin-xalkida-2.jpg)
(https://www.ert.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/xalkida-1021x576-1021x576.jpg)
Urban and fairly big. Terrible footballing history.
Finally - special mention to Kavala. A genuinely beautiful city - looks like a type of Southern French city...
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/95/78/90/95789012df05e337af48a84c6d55ec19.jpg)
(https://www.greece-is.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/DJI_0066.jpg)
(https://www.visitkavala.gr/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/kavalaport.jpg)
They had a superb team and fans but I am not sure I could ever remove the image of match fixing,
Koriopolis Scandal, for which they were relegated to the amateur divisions along with Olympiakos Volou..
Now to watch AEK vs Aris! Maybe Mitroglou will play! Aris playing in turquoise.
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Fevereiro de 2021, 17:37
Citação de: Calcio em 06 de Fevereiro de 2021, 21:06
You obviously have more knowledge than me when it comes to Greece and greek footbal,, wasn't expecting Kalamata in your "picks".
Fantastic wright up.
I think Trikala just went up on my list! ;D
Kavala looks gorgeous.
Citação de: Calcio em 07 de Fevereiro de 2021, 20:24
Fantastic wright up.
I think Trikala just went up on my list! ;D
Kavala looks gorgeous.
Yea, Kavala is a gem with Thassos just a short ferry ride away opposite. Was quite sad to see them go down. Played ultra attacking football like Olympiakos Volou. Often beat the bigger clubs. Made many enemies.
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AEK 0
Aris 2
A game that featured many Latin players: 5 Portuguese players: Bruno Gama, Simoes, Lopes,
Xande Silva (this guy has talent), Oliveira. 3 Argentines: Garcia, Mancini, Bertoglio. 2 Brazilians: Sasha and Bruno (ex Oly) 2 Spaniards: Cuesta and Matilla. 1 West Indian: Levi Garcia... and many other nationalities..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgCv3qXHpVw
PAOK 2
Apollon 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8C_MN38C4A
Both PAOK and AEK getting kicked in the face for not buying decent defenders.
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Fevereiro de 2021, 21:58
Citação de: Calcio em 07 de Fevereiro de 2021, 20:24
Fantastic wright up.
I think Trikala just went up on my list! ;D
Kavala looks gorgeous.
Do you know anything about Thesprotos FC? I came across them and was suprised that they had Juan Ramón Rocha as their manager.
Faliro, allow me to ask you a rather silly question:
How would Ancient Greeks feel about modern day Greece if they travelled through time to the year of 2021, in your opinion?
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Fevereiro de 2021, 21:42
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Fevereiro de 2021, 21:58
Citação de: Calcio em 07 de Fevereiro de 2021, 20:24
Fantastic wright up.
I think Trikala just went up on my list! ;D
Kavala looks gorgeous.
Do you know anything about Thesprotos FC? I came across them and was suprised that they had Juan Ramón Rocha as their manager.
Not heard of these guys before. I have no idea why Rocha went there. Maybe they have a rich owner, but I don't recognise the name.
Citação de: Festivus em 09 de Fevereiro de 2021, 00:46
Faliro, allow me to ask you a rather silly question:
How would Ancient Greeks feel about modern day Greece if they travelled through time to the year of 2021, in your opinion?
Not a silly question at all. I often wonder this myself. Let's imagine a Greek from Greece's Golden Age (4th Century BC) visits modern Athens in 2021.
Firstly I think the ancient Greek would recognise the faces of modern Greeks. Those big heavy eyes, fairly well built physiques and general colouring. He would definitely recognise the faces of ancient Greeks in modern Greeks. It would have definitely benefitted modern Greeks if Greeks had genetically mixed with more cultures over the last 2500 years, but alas they didn't..
Sensationally, the language would be just about understandable too (written and spoken) as long as the ancient Greek doesn't meet too many idiot ignorant Greeks - you know the type who wont recognise the word 'Mitroglou' unless you heavily stress the last syllable (even though the stress should be at the beginning of Mitroglou's name: Μ
ήτρογλου. ::bater:: As long as the ancient Greek meets a modern Greek with an IQ over 100, they should be able to converse and work out a structure to communicate effectively. That is mind-blowing. I doubt even a medieval Brit would be able to communicate well with a modern Brit - let alone a Brit from 400 BC... Also the Ancient Greek would be able to read road signs etc. He would also recognise a lot of Greek first names in modern Athens. Themistokles, Demetris, Anastasia, Orestes, Perikles, Vassilios, Andreas, Nikos (Nikon), Alexandros etc etc.. Stefanos for example is a common a first name in modern Greece as it was in 4th Century Athens... This stele to Stefanos (Stefanos means wreath crown):
(https://i.snipboard.io/dxVpZz.jpg)
The concrete jungle of Athens itself will be a hardcore experience for the 4th Century Athenian although bizarrely I think he would be impressed by the raw power of the city compared to what he knew.. The destruction of the Parthenon - the sacred way to the Parthenon missing the 1000s of votives and memorials - the sacred temples and caves to the mystery cults some gone, some still there but weathered and missing the interiors.. - the missing statues across the city - this would shock him. But he would see remnants everywhere of them - and lit up and celebrated by modern Greeks. He would be deeply heartened to see almost all of Greece's museums dedicated to ancient works of his era and little to no museums containing anything Turkish or Venetian. He would be disgusted and offended at the debunked 19th century anglo-german concept that modern Greeks have zero connection to ancient Greeks.
Greeks would explain to him the various occupations - how Greeks as a people barely survived the Turks etc etc.. This could be a difficult point for the Ancient Greek but I like to think he would be happy that the Greeks survived at all and he would understand the concept due to Greeks of his period almost being wiped off the face of earth by the Persians. Also much of the street plan of Plaka is the same as ancient Greece - the greeks simply replaced the houses every 200 years.. the road layout under the acropolis he would recognise.. He would also understand the concept of leaving the Parthenon as a beautiful ruin as opposed to rebuilding it. Perikles had to fight off many many Athenians who believed the old destroyed Parthenon (destroyed by the Persians) should be left as it is - half destroyed - as a beautiful reminder to the Athenians' survival and bravery and not be rebuilt. Needless to say Perikles won the argument and rebuilt the Parthenon much to their annoyance..
He would recognise the key Greek cuisine - souvlaki was common in ancient Greece. However he would probably be confused by the extreme Greek coffee consumption. Music.. I am not sure he would know what to do with that. :rir: Clothes... he would recognise the Greeks wearing white linen on islands like Mykonos in the summer, but not the cut of the clothes. Ancient Greeks wore linen more than any other material.
The technology would impress him - but not blow his mind completely. Ancient Greeks - especially from Athens were very technically minded. I remember reading that when lightening struck ancient Sparta - the Spartans would fear Zeus was angry. When lightening would strike ancient Athens, many Athenians would believe that simply two different climatic belts were merging above their heads.. He would fully understand the concepts of cinema, organised sports, bars, restaurants, apartments, government, lawyers, laws, schooling, religious holidays (he may be a little dismayed the Greeks abandoned their Gods to adopt the desert God of the Hebrews..). He would recognise the Olympiacos logo... :smokin:
I imagine him being upset at the destruction of his world and the near extinction of the Greek peoples. I imagine him being reflective at how Greeks have sought to continue certain traditions - how the
Barbarians of Europe accepted Greek concepts and evolved them and even based their societies on them. I imagine him being excited by the technology. I think he would feel a stranger to an extent but over the months and years - he would feel part of Greece again - the way of the people and how they pour olive oil on everything, the raw commercialism and also the traditions and culture. He would understand the evolution. The landscape, the sea.. Especially the forests, whether pine or oak laden.. he would recognise them.
Now a modern sloppy PS5 playing Greek 19 year old going back to 4th Century Athens.. That would be hilarious. There is a chance he could starve to death.. :rir:
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Fevereiro de 2021, 00:32
Citação de: Festivus em 09 de Fevereiro de 2021, 00:46
Faliro, allow me to ask you a rather silly question:
How would Ancient Greeks feel about modern day Greece if they travelled through time to the year of 2021, in your opinion?
Not a silly question at all. I often wonder this myself. Let's imagine a Greek from Greece's Golden Age (4th Century BC) visits modern Athens in 2021.
Firstly I think the ancient Greek would recognise the faces of modern Greeks. Those big heavy eyes, fairly well built physiques and general colouring. He would definitely recognise the faces of ancient Greeks in modern Greeks. It would have definitely benefitted modern Greeks if Greeks had genetically mixed with more cultures over the last 2500 years, but alas they didn't..
Sensationally, the language would be just about understandable too (written and spoken) as long as the ancient Greek doesn't meet too many idiot ignorant Greeks - you know the type who wont recognise the word 'Mitroglou' unless you heavily stress the last syllable (even though the stress should be at the beginning of Mitroglou's name: Μήτρογλου. ::bater:: As long as the ancient Greek meets a modern Greek with an IQ over 100, they should be able to converse and work out a structure to communicate effectively. That is mind-blowing. I doubt even a medieval Brit would be able to communicate well with a modern Brit - let alone a Brit from 400 BC... Also the Ancient Greek would be able to read road signs etc. He would also recognise a lot of Greek first names in modern Athens. Themistokles, Demetris, Anastasia, Orestes, Perikles, Vassilios, Andreas, Nikos (Nikon), Alexandros etc etc.. Stefanos for example is a common a first name in modern Greece as it was in 4th Century Athens... This stele to Stefanos (Stefanos means wreath crown):
(https://i.snipboard.io/dxVpZz.jpg)
The concrete jungle of Athens itself will be a hardcore experience for the 4th Century Athenian although bizarrely I think he would be impressed by the raw power of the city compared to what he knew.. The destruction of the Parthenon - the sacred way to the Parthenon missing the 1000s of votives and memorials - the sacred temples and caves to the mystery cults some gone, some still there but weathered and missing the interiors.. - the missing statues across the city - this would shock him. But he would see remnants everywhere of them - and lit up and celebrated by modern Greeks. He would be deeply heartened to see almost all of Greece's museums dedicated to ancient works of his era and little to no museums containing anything Turkish or Venetian. He would be disgusted and offended at the debunked 19th century anglo-german concept that modern Greeks have zero connection to ancient Greeks.
Greeks would explain to him the various occupations - how Greeks as a people barely survived the Turks etc etc.. This could be a difficult point for the Ancient Greek but I like to think he would be happy that the Greeks survived at all and he would understand the concept due to Greeks of his period almost being wiped off the face of earth by the Persians. Also much of the street plan of Plaka is the same as ancient Greece - the greeks simply replaced the houses every 200 years.. the road layout under the acropolis he would recognise.. He would also understand the concept of leaving the Parthenon as a beautiful ruin as opposed to rebuilding it. Perikles had to fight off many many Athenians who believed the old destroyed Parthenon (destroyed by the Persians) should be left as it is - half destroyed - as a beautiful reminder to the Athenians' survival and bravery and not be rebuilt. Needless to say Perikles won the argument and rebuilt the Parthenon much to their annoyance..
He would recognise the key Greek cuisine - souvlaki was common in ancient Greece. However he would probably be confused by the extreme Greek coffee consumption. Music.. I am not sure he would know what to do with that. :rir: Clothes... he would recognise the Greeks wearing white linen on islands like Mykonos in the summer, but not the cut of the clothes. Ancient Greeks wore linen more than any other material.
The technology would impress him - but not blow his mind completely. Ancient Greeks - especially from Athens were very technically minded. I remember reading that when lightening struck ancient Sparta - the Spartans would fear Zeus was angry. When lightening would strike ancient Athens, many Athenians would believe that simply two different climatic belts were merging above their heads.. He would fully understand the concepts of cinema, organised sports, bars, restaurants, apartments, government, lawyers, laws, schooling, religious holidays (he may be a little dismayed the Greeks abandoned their Gods to adopt the desert God of the Hebrews..). He would recognise the Olympiacos logo... :smokin:
I imagine him being upset at the destruction of his world and the near extinction of the Greek peoples. I imagine him being reflective at how Greeks have sought to continue certain traditions - how the Barbarians of Europe accepted Greek concepts and evolved them and even based their societies on them. I imagine him being excited by the technology. I think he would feel a stranger to an extent but over the months and years - he would feel part of Greece again - the way of the people and how they pour olive oil on everything, the raw commercialism and also the traditions and culture. He would understand the evolution. The landscape, the sea.. Especially the forests, whether pine or oak laden.. he would recognise them.
Now a modern sloppy PS5 playing Greek 19 year old going back to 4th Century Athens.. That would be hilarious. There is a chance he could starve to death.. :rir:
Thank you for spending a significant amount of time with such a long and detailed answer to my question!
You've addressed a lot of points, but now I'm wondering how they would feel about things like the EU, NATO and the UN and Greece's role in them. How would they feel, in your opinion?
Sometime ago I saw someone asking what Salazar would feel about modern day Portugal if he came back to life today. And basically someone said he'd be angry and disappointed at Portugal being a member of something like the EU and allowing the Euro to replace the Escudo. Among other things. That being said, that would probably be the only thing I'd agree with Salazar on.
And, in defense of the 19 year old boy, I think most people nowadays wouldn't survive if they traveled back in time to hundreds or thousands of years ago. The world was completely different back then. Depending on where you'd end up, I think you'd might get killed for giving someone the wrong look or arrested or enslaved for being a foreigner, which means you could be a spy or something like that.
Citação de: Festivus em 10 de Fevereiro de 2021, 02:26
Thank you for spending a significant amount of time with such a long and detailed answer to my question!
You've addressed a lot of points, but now I'm wondering how they would feel about things like the EU, NATO and the UN and Greece's role in them. How would they feel, in your opinion?
Sometime ago I saw someone asking what Salazar would feel about modern day Portugal if he came back to life today. And basically someone said he'd be angry and disappointed at Portugal being a member of something like the EU and allowing the Euro to replace the Escudo. Among other things. That being said, that would probably be the only thing I'd agree with Salazar on.
And, in defense of the 19 year old boy, I think most people nowadays wouldn't survive if they traveled back in time to hundreds or thousands of years ago. The world was completely different back then. Depending on where you'd end up, I think you'd might get killed for giving someone the wrong look or arrested or enslaved for being a foreigner, which means you could be a spy or something like that.
As far as the EU goes, there is a 90% chance he would be against it. Whether it is the Persians, Romans, Turks, Venetians, Slavs, Germans etc - Greeks despise the idea of being controlled externally or ruled by non Greeks and one of the only reasons Greeks exist at all today is due their dislike of supranational organisations. Persia was a type of EU - an EU of the East. The Greeks risked their lives to break free. Same with the brutal Ottoman Empire. The Greeks tolerated Rome because they had no choice after the sacking of Corinth, but as soon as they were able to break away - they did and turned the Roman Byzantine Empire into a purely Greek vehicle in less than 100 years. The ancient Greek would struggle to understand why Greece gave up its hard fought independence to Brussels. He would be confused how the Greeks voted in a referendum to stop paying Brussels but Tsipras ignored their vote (we would have to explain the concept of communism to him although in some ways Spartans were proto-communists). Even further - Greeks do not even like being ruled by other Greeks further away from them.. Athenian expedition, Delian League, Macedonia - Greeks have often spilled blood to not be remotely ruled by other Greeks. The Athenian would have believed that the ultimate freedom would be Greeks being able to vote on Greek matters without any outside interference.
NATO and the UN.. not sure. He wouldn't like the idea of being forced to pay NATO any money - especially as they cannot stop Turks invading Greek territory. Seems fraudulent. I doubt he would fear Russia like NATO does anyway. UN? Meh.. again, very global where nations are drowned out unless the trend suits.
There are always minorities who enjoy being oppressed. In the Greek revolution, a fair few wealthy Greeks tried to convince the Greek revolutionaries to put down their weapons and submit to the Turks. Certain Greeks instructed the Athenians not to anger the Persian empire and submit... So I am sure some Portuguese and Greeks from the past would feel comfortable with the power taken out their hands and placed in the hands of foreigners, however I doubt they would ever make up a majority. I mean the very concept of a descendant of a goth telling a Greek or Portuguese guy what species of fish he is allowed to fish in his own waters - telling a Greek/Portuguese farmer what he he is allowed to grow - when he is allowed to take the covid vaccine etc... it is simply absurd. The EU has only survived due to a lack of democracy.
Faliro, what you think about Cypriot Championship?
What happened to APOEL?
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Fevereiro de 2021, 13:02
Faliro, what you think about Cypriot Championship?
What happened to APOEL?
It seems the Cypriots and Greeks are going to have face reality and realise the island the will not be unified. Erdogan said this week he is seeking a two state outcome. Therefore, I would be happy to allow APEOL and one other into the Greek championship as happened in the 70s.
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Fevereiro de 2021, 17:47
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Fevereiro de 2021, 13:02
Faliro, what you think about Cypriot Championship?
What happened to APOEL?
It seems the Cypriots and Greeks are going to have face reality and realise the island the will not be unified. Erdogan said this week he is seeking a two state outcome. Therefore, I would be happy to allow APEOL and one other into the Greek championship as happened in the 70s.
Omonia - > APOEL.
This season is being awful to APOEL.
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Fevereiro de 2021, 21:15
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Fevereiro de 2021, 17:47
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Fevereiro de 2021, 13:02
Faliro, what you think about Cypriot Championship?
What happened to APOEL?
It seems the Cypriots and Greeks are going to have face reality and realise the island the will not be unified. Erdogan said this week he is seeking a two state outcome. Therefore, I would be happy to allow APEOL and one other into the Greek championship as happened in the 70s.
Omonia - > APOEL.
This season is being awful to APOEL.
I don't follow those guys but I do know APOEL is the most successful Cyrpiot club and usually over performs in the CL and Europa League. I know they are the most rightwing club in Cyprus and adore Greece. GPS stadium also appears to be excellent venue. I think it would be curious to see them in the SL. I doubt it would happen again though. Omonia I dont know much about.
https://youtu.be/NsxIv0JzD9o
Citação de: Covenant em 13 de Fevereiro de 2021, 08:39
https://youtu.be/NsxIv0JzD9o
Yes, another Olympiacos hit piece.. no evidence.. just the usual baseless accusations..
(https://scontent.fplu4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/151472736_454889405876159_1831668416387742673_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=3&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_eui2=AeGtNqEt7yQFzXlCaD3WgoDc6zGCU4-zM8PrMYJTj7MzwzgYjlCi3gY3OjWYqWiMT38&_nc_ohc=HnLdP8sWXGAAX8OgRtR&_nc_ht=scontent.fplu4-1.fna&tp=14&oh=879d0cfefa6aa251defd7b4640fb4028&oe=6054CE06)
Volos about to be sold to argentinians.
Who owns them? I thought it was the district(?)?
Citação de: Calcio em 22 de Fevereiro de 2021, 18:13
Volos about to be sold to argentinians.
Who owns them? I thought it was the district(?)?
What a question. You may as well have asked me where Alexander the Great's body is.
Beos - mayor of Volos and former president of Olympiakos Volos, who went to prison for match fixing and bribery and was banned from any football activities... (that went well.. :huh:) clearly controls FC Volos and is president of the club. Remember Volos was not started as a completely new entity.. that would be too simple.. After negotiations failed to unite Niki Volou and Olympiakos Volou - Beos tried a new tactic.. The club now known as NPS VOLOS was originally this club: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAS_Pydna_Kitros_F.C. Who knows, maybe the president of that club owns a percentage of Volos? Beos, while mayor of Volos.. ::bater:: managed to convince the president of Pynda Kitros to relocate to Volos and change the name.
https://www.sportime.gr/nps-volos/beos-sintoma-tha-po-ante-gia/
This
Latin Fund... sounds very suspicious.. Sure the team has potential.. but with no football specific stadium (although the Panthessaliko Stadium is a beautiful piece of architecture) - no real infrastructure - youth teams etc.. just some good players and a good coach.. seems a strange deal. I suspect the real owner of Volos could be someone like Savvidis.. After all, Beos offering to sell Douvikas (an excellent young striker) to PAOK for
1.4 million is like me selling you a Porsche 911 foe 4000 euros. Douvikas is worth at least 5 million. That offer tells you a lot..
https://www.sportime.gr/transfer_gossip/transfer-gossip-douvikas-afto-ine-to-apistefto-poso-pou-zitise-o-volos-apo-ton-paok-gia-ton-nearo-star/
Beos says he will be happy to say goodbye to NPS Volos and simply be a fan.. I think Beos is criminally minded but has an extremely high IQ. This was always about making money.
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Fevereiro de 2021, 00:42
Citação de: Calcio em 22 de Fevereiro de 2021, 18:13
Volos about to be sold to argentinians.
Who owns them? I thought it was the district(?)?
So what you are saying, is, Volos will be another memory in Hellas football in some 5 years time.
Citação de: Calcio em 23 de Fevereiro de 2021, 01:56
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Fevereiro de 2021, 00:42
Citação de: Calcio em 22 de Fevereiro de 2021, 18:13
Volos about to be sold to argentinians.
Who owns them? I thought it was the district(?)?
So what you are saying, is, Volos will be another memory in Hellas football in some 5 years time.
Depends. I remember Olympiakos Volou well. Very similar to NPS. All attack. All Argentinians/ South Americans. Constantly taking down bigger opponents with high scores. The only way they were ever going to get relegated was through an off the pitch judgement which is what took them down. Without Beos (if it is him) making the signings of eclectic players like Douvikas, Ninis, Perea and Reinstra etc.. I am not sure what will happen to them. It is like Asteras - since they came out of no where to get to the Super League there has been someone at the club (Bakos himself perhaps?) constantly getting good players. Aris also have that edge and style but with more fans than the others combined.
If Volos gets new owners who don't take orders from whoever built Olympiakos Volou and NPS - their future is uncertain. Teams built around attack like Aris, Olympiakos Volou, Kavala, Asteras, NPS are safe as long as they keep there opaque but successful scouting/ agent network in play. Panathinaikos has always been about developing their own players, even before that became trendy. AEK attempts to promote some youth but usually falls back on signings. PAOK.. fuck knows.. they steal all the other youth players from everyone else in northern Greece. Teams like Aris - pure scouting.
Here is a taste of what Olympiakos Volou looked like when they were in the super league.. pure attack under that exceptionally underated coach Tsolis.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yK5KPg921Qk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntetwo_4PCc
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GlhThOQGeTQ
Of course they beat almost anyone but still had to throw games vs PAOK.. that is probably how they paid their players.
The 25th March marked exactly 200 years since the beginning of the Greek Revolution that resulted in the Ottomans losing southern Greece and the creation of the modern Greek state.
(https://miro.medium.com/max/480/1*SwKO2HDdN1YYB9XEKAhQCg.jpeg)
Asteras and APOEL had the brains to market this moment. Superb kits:
(https://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/sitefiles_2021-03-25/165582166_126131656186569_8900211763505015921_o.jpg)
(https://www.gazzetta.gr/sites/default/files/sitefiles_2021-03-25/image.jpg)
https://www.gazzetta.gr/football/superleague/article/1577668/i-epeteiaki-fanela-toy-astera-einai-gemati-ellada-pic?fbclid=IwAR1H1e206gUKs7SDQ2Vjg6uKriuBs7m-itAUSkr26r3QoAmCIc01TMzJSOs
APOEL? Why?
Citação de: Covenant em 27 de Março de 2021, 15:27
APOEL? Why?
I would say around 60% of Greek Cypriots see themselves as Greek Greek as opposed to 'Greek Cypriot' or Cypriot.. Many Greeks did emigrate to Cyprus over the centuries and Cypriots are actually related genetically to Arcadians for some reason, they even have parts of the Arcadian dialect. Arcadia is the region where Tripoli is based.
In the 50s the Cypriots made a massive push to unify with Greece. Sadly the British who wanted to keep their bases on the island stopped this '
Enosis' (
'union' with Greece) The referendum at the time showed 97% of the Greek population of Cyprus wanted to join with Greece. There was bloodshed as result. There were revolts before that as well to join with Greece:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1931_Cyprus_revolt
Now APOEL is fiercely pro Greek as their name suggests:
Athletikos
Podosferikos
Omilos
Ellinon
Lefkosias, literally "Athletic Football Club of Greeks of Nicosia" The club was not only founded for football - but also to push the idea of
Enosis. So it makes sense they would share this shirt with Asteras.
Who knows, one day APOEL may play in the Greek Super League again like they did in the 70s.
Citação de: Calcio em 22 de Fevereiro de 2021, 18:13
Volos about to be sold to argentinians.
Seems the deal fell through:
https://sportdog.gr/sports/podosfairo/article/640503/apisteyto-ki-omws-ellhniko-trelh-istoria-me-mpeo-kai-ta-xrhmata-twn-ependytwn-gia-ton-bolo
Citação de: Red2802 em 10 de Abril de 2021, 17:28
Classe pura de mais um discípulo!
(https://i.ibb.co/LhfrPPf/DF3-E5-BA1-0-AA1-40-DA-835-C-87-DBDB786058.jpg)
Miguel Cardoso misses Greece and their crazyness.
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Abril de 2021, 22:02
Citação de: Red2802 em 10 de Abril de 2021, 17:28
Classe pura de mais um discípulo!
(https://i.ibb.co/LhfrPPf/DF3-E5-BA1-0-AA1-40-DA-835-C-87-DBDB786058.jpg)
Miguel Cardoso misses Greece and their crazyness.
Poor guy having to coach AEK.. mind you, their new stadium is starting to look pretty nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvah-wuStvE
AEL relegated. OFI survive.
If AEK beat PAO tomorrow at the Leoforo, PAO miss out on Europe.
AEK's big ambition for their new stadium? 33 year old Damian Da Silva.
Citação de: Calcio em 22 de Fevereiro de 2021, 18:13
Seems both Kavala and Kalamata will be promoted to the Super League 2. They are both top of their respective leagues. This will be very positive for football in Greece.
As for Promotion to the super league, Ionikos still 6 points clear at the top.
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Maio de 2021, 19:40
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/2021-05-13/santa-clara-panathinaikos-quer-daniel-ramos/890156
Who's reporting this in Greece?
Also, it wouldn't be a good pick by PAO.
Citação de: Calcio em 13 de Maio de 2021, 13:51
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Maio de 2021, 19:40
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/2021-05-13/santa-clara-panathinaikos-quer-daniel-ramos/890156
Who's reporting this in Greece?
Also, it wouldn't be a good pick by PAO.
Most the big sports websites were reporting it yesterday but under the proviso Alafouzos personally will decide this time and not trust his technical director Pierre Dréossi. Also that there seems to be no plan. Alafouzos recently admitted he came into possession of PAO by accident - which enraged the fans. :rir: Seems a group of US investors are trying to buy PAO:
https://www.thenationalherald.com/sports_greece/arthro/drakotos_open_letter_on_intention_to_purchase_majority_stake_in_panathinaikos-2419390/
Faliro, can you tell me what are doing the players that won Euro 2004?
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Maio de 2021, 14:04
Faliro, can you tell me what are doing the players that won Euro 2004?
This calls for a list, I will create it when I have a second!
Citação de: Faliro em 16 de Maio de 2021, 00:30
Citação de: Covenant em 15 de Maio de 2021, 14:04
Faliro, can you tell me what are doing the players that won Euro 2004?
This calls for a list, I will create it when I have a second!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2004_squads
This way you don't fail ahah. I could make my research but I'm sure that you have more information.
Citação de: Calcio em 13 de Maio de 2021, 13:51
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Maio de 2021, 19:40
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/2021-05-13/santa-clara-panathinaikos-quer-daniel-ramos/890156
Who's reporting this in Greece?
Also, it wouldn't be a good pick by PAO.
Panathinaikos complete first round of talks with him. He seems to be favorite.
They are also sniffing around Jardim.
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Maio de 2021, 00:52
Citação de: Calcio em 13 de Maio de 2021, 13:51
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Maio de 2021, 19:40
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/2021-05-13/santa-clara-panathinaikos-quer-daniel-ramos/890156
Who's reporting this in Greece?
Also, it wouldn't be a good pick by PAO.
Panathinaikos complete first round of talks with him. He seems to be favorite.
They are also sniffing around Jardim.
lol goodluck
Citação de: Calcio em 18 de Maio de 2021, 13:16
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Maio de 2021, 00:52
Citação de: Calcio em 13 de Maio de 2021, 13:51
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Maio de 2021, 19:40
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/2021-05-13/santa-clara-panathinaikos-quer-daniel-ramos/890156
Who's reporting this in Greece?
Also, it wouldn't be a good pick by PAO.
Panathinaikos complete first round of talks with him. He seems to be favorite.
They are also sniffing around Jardim.
lol goodluck
These clubs are just clueless... AEK lost two of its targets in one morning.. Da Silva will stay at Rennes on 3 times the money AEK offered.. and AEK won't pay the newly discovered 1 million release clause on Rebrov, the coach they want.
In other news it seems OFI have a plan for a new stadium at the old airport site (the new Iraklio airport opens 2025). The reason is even if they get into Europe again, their current ground does not meet UEFA requirements. Quite pleased about this, I am not a fan of their current stadium.
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Maio de 2021, 15:36
Citação de: Calcio em 18 de Maio de 2021, 13:16
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Maio de 2021, 00:52
Citação de: Calcio em 13 de Maio de 2021, 13:51
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Maio de 2021, 19:40
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/2021-05-13/santa-clara-panathinaikos-quer-daniel-ramos/890156
Who's reporting this in Greece?
Also, it wouldn't be a good pick by PAO.
Panathinaikos complete first round of talks with him. He seems to be favorite.
They are also sniffing around Jardim.
lol goodluck
These clubs are just clueless... AEK lost two of its targets in one morning.. Da Silva will stay at Rennes on 3 times the money AEK offered.. and AEK won't pay the newly discovered 1 million release clause on Rebrov, the coach they want.
In other news it seems OFI have a plan for a new stadium at the old airport site (the new Iraklio airport opens 2025). The reason is even if they get into Europe again, their current ground does not meet UEFA requirements. Quite pleased about this, I am not a fan of their current stadium.
How much sense would it make for the island to have 1 big stadium that holds every professional club?
Is each regionalized within the island? Or is the fanbase of, say, a Chania also prevalent in the southeast part while the club is in the northwest?
Citação de: Calcio em 18 de Maio de 2021, 18:14
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Maio de 2021, 15:36
Citação de: Calcio em 18 de Maio de 2021, 13:16
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Maio de 2021, 00:52
Citação de: Calcio em 13 de Maio de 2021, 13:51
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Maio de 2021, 19:40
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/2021-05-13/santa-clara-panathinaikos-quer-daniel-ramos/890156
Who's reporting this in Greece?
Also, it wouldn't be a good pick by PAO.
Panathinaikos complete first round of talks with him. He seems to be favorite.
They are also sniffing around Jardim.
lol goodluck
These clubs are just clueless... AEK lost two of its targets in one morning.. Da Silva will stay at Rennes on 3 times the money AEK offered.. and AEK won't pay the newly discovered 1 million release clause on Rebrov, the coach they want.
In other news it seems OFI have a plan for a new stadium at the old airport site (the new Iraklio airport opens 2025). The reason is even if they get into Europe again, their current ground does not meet UEFA requirements. Quite pleased about this, I am not a fan of their current stadium.
How much sense would it make for the island to have 1 big stadium that holds every professional club?
Is each regionalized within the island? Or is the fanbase of, say, a Chania also prevalent in the southeast part while the club is in the northwest?
Would make huge sense. Problem is, the Perivola stadium is brand new and big enough for Xania. It also serves other teams in that region. Also as you alluded to, the teams are regionalised.
A share between Iraklion clubs Ergotelis, Irodotos and OFI could work (the way Omonia and APOEL share the GSP stadium in Nicosia) but Ergotelis are already happy with the Pankritio stadium and Irodotos are happy with their Nea Alikarnassos Stadium.
The current OFI stadium is positioned deep in a residential area, no parking - and not much hope of rebuilding. The old airport stadium will be part of a complex including hotel, shops etc and could probably be around 12k capacity or more. I think such a venue would again lift the league massively. Stadium would look great on TV and attract better players and coaches. It would be impressive. OFI now have hired the same club director AEK had to get their stadium, Lysandrou. The American owner of OFI really wants this to happen. To think, even Mallorca no longer have a football specific stadium.
In other news the owner of Aris travels to China next month to secure 40 million for the rebuilding of the Aris stadium. I suspect the new stadium will have an increased capacity of up to 28k.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmLYAaDQEb8l1M41TOWy56V4Vo1a9mx3Fz-g&usqp=CAU)
Ivan Jovanovic now in the frame as coach for PAO.
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Maio de 2021, 12:53
Citação de: Calcio em 18 de Maio de 2021, 18:14
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Maio de 2021, 15:36
Citação de: Calcio em 18 de Maio de 2021, 13:16
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Maio de 2021, 00:52
Citação de: Calcio em 13 de Maio de 2021, 13:51
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Maio de 2021, 19:40
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/2021-05-13/santa-clara-panathinaikos-quer-daniel-ramos/890156
Who's reporting this in Greece?
Also, it wouldn't be a good pick by PAO.
Panathinaikos complete first round of talks with him. He seems to be favorite.
They are also sniffing around Jardim.
lol goodluck
These clubs are just clueless... AEK lost two of its targets in one morning.. Da Silva will stay at Rennes on 3 times the money AEK offered.. and AEK won't pay the newly discovered 1 million release clause on Rebrov, the coach they want.
In other news it seems OFI have a plan for a new stadium at the old airport site (the new Iraklio airport opens 2025). The reason is even if they get into Europe again, their current ground does not meet UEFA requirements. Quite pleased about this, I am not a fan of their current stadium.
How much sense would it make for the island to have 1 big stadium that holds every professional club?
Is each regionalized within the island? Or is the fanbase of, say, a Chania also prevalent in the southeast part while the club is in the northwest?
Would make huge sense. Problem is, the Perivola stadium is brand new and big enough for Xania. It also serves other teams in that region. Also as you alluded to, the teams are regionalised.
A share between Iraklion clubs Ergotelis, Irodotos and OFI could work (the way Omonia and APOEL share the GSP stadium in Nicosia) but Ergotelis are already happy with the Pankritio stadium and Irodotos are happy with their Nea Alikarnassos Stadium.
The current OFI stadium is positioned deep in a residential area, no parking - and not much hope of rebuilding. The old airport stadium will be part of a complex including hotel, shops etc and could probably be around 12k capacity or more. I think such a venue would again lift the league massively. Stadium would look great on TV and attract better players and coaches. It would be impressive. OFI now have hired the same club director AEK had to get their stadium, Lysandrou. The American owner of OFI really wants this to happen. To think, even Mallorca no longer have a football specific stadium.
In other news the owner of Aris travels to China next month to secure 40 million for the rebuilding of the Aris stadium. I suspect the new stadium will have an increased capacity of up to 28k.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmLYAaDQEb8l1M41TOWy56V4Vo1a9mx3Fz-g&usqp=CAU)
Ivan Jovanovic now in the frame as coach for PAO.
Milojevic is free, don't understand how's not under consideration.
Citação de: Calcio em 19 de Maio de 2021, 18:09
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Maio de 2021, 12:53
Citação de: Calcio em 18 de Maio de 2021, 18:14
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Maio de 2021, 15:36
Citação de: Calcio em 18 de Maio de 2021, 13:16
Citação de: Faliro em 18 de Maio de 2021, 00:52
Citação de: Calcio em 13 de Maio de 2021, 13:51
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Maio de 2021, 19:40
https://www.abola.pt/nnh/2021-05-13/santa-clara-panathinaikos-quer-daniel-ramos/890156
Who's reporting this in Greece?
Also, it wouldn't be a good pick by PAO.
Panathinaikos complete first round of talks with him. He seems to be favorite.
They are also sniffing around Jardim.
lol goodluck
These clubs are just clueless... AEK lost two of its targets in one morning.. Da Silva will stay at Rennes on 3 times the money AEK offered.. and AEK won't pay the newly discovered 1 million release clause on Rebrov, the coach they want.
In other news it seems OFI have a plan for a new stadium at the old airport site (the new Iraklio airport opens 2025). The reason is even if they get into Europe again, their current ground does not meet UEFA requirements. Quite pleased about this, I am not a fan of their current stadium.
How much sense would it make for the island to have 1 big stadium that holds every professional club?
Is each regionalized within the island? Or is the fanbase of, say, a Chania also prevalent in the southeast part while the club is in the northwest?
Would make huge sense. Problem is, the Perivola stadium is brand new and big enough for Xania. It also serves other teams in that region. Also as you alluded to, the teams are regionalised.
A share between Iraklion clubs Ergotelis, Irodotos and OFI could work (the way Omonia and APOEL share the GSP stadium in Nicosia) but Ergotelis are already happy with the Pankritio stadium and Irodotos are happy with their Nea Alikarnassos Stadium.
The current OFI stadium is positioned deep in a residential area, no parking - and not much hope of rebuilding. The old airport stadium will be part of a complex including hotel, shops etc and could probably be around 12k capacity or more. I think such a venue would again lift the league massively. Stadium would look great on TV and attract better players and coaches. It would be impressive. OFI now have hired the same club director AEK had to get their stadium, Lysandrou. The American owner of OFI really wants this to happen. To think, even Mallorca no longer have a football specific stadium.
In other news the owner of Aris travels to China next month to secure 40 million for the rebuilding of the Aris stadium. I suspect the new stadium will have an increased capacity of up to 28k.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRmLYAaDQEb8l1M41TOWy56V4Vo1a9mx3Fz-g&usqp=CAU)
Ivan Jovanovic now in the frame as coach for PAO.
Milojevic is free, don't understand how's not under consideration.
Agreed, obvious choice. Former PAO player (spent most his career in Greece - he is described in Greece as a serbo-Greek), speaks Greek fluently, coached in Greece with much success (Panionios).
The serbs have been linking him to PAO from last month:
https://newsbeezer.com/greeceeng/a-breath-of-panathinaikos-milojevic/
He is currently in the frame today along with Coleman and Weiler.
https://www.trifilara.gr/vailer-kolman-ke-milogevits-stin-lista-tou-panathinaikou/
Both Jovanovic and Milojevic have also been offered to AEK too - who are still going after Rebrov.
Interestingly it seems Alafouzos does not want Milojevic. Deep down I suspect it is simply because he coached Olympiacos's brother club, Red Star (which would be a considered an insult to PAO.. in an idiot's Vazelos mind):
https://www.sportime.gr/transfer_gossip/transfer-gossip-panathinaikos-o-alafouzos-perimeni-kati-allo-gia-proponiti-plan-b-o-giovanovits-kopike-o-milogevits/
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In other news Ionikos officially promoted to the SL - Xanthi to go into the play-offs. Ionikos return to the Sl after 14 years away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx7kjYTk7h8
AEK sniffing around José Bordalás. It is a strange one. Whoever they choose will have facilities to die for. AEK will not only have a brand new stadium for the new coach, but also a brand new training stadium (5000 seats) at their state of the art training ground. So great facilities but absolutely terrible cheap players. Doesn't matter what combination you use.. the squad is mid table at best.
Nothing to say about Greek Cup final Faliro? :P
Citação de: Covenant em 24 de Maio de 2021, 19:48
Nothing to say about Greek Cup final Faliro? :P
Fair play to the cunts. They wanted it bad. We had no CBs left. PAOK acted like they had just won the mundial at the end of the game.. just shit really.
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Maio de 2021, 01:31
Citação de: Calcio em 19 de Maio de 2021, 18:09
AEK get Milojevic, PAO get Jovanovic.
Well, atleast Milo goes to a team that I tolerate, less bad. He will do a good job, I feel.
Don't know about Jovanovic.
Milo will do well if he has a squad over 30 million - which is the current squad value of AEK. If they get 9 new players... he has a chance. I spose Mitoglou from Volos counts as the first signing. As for PAO... I have no idea what they were thinking.. Maybe his CL run with APOEL..
BTW...
https://www.sportime.gr/olimpiakos/olimpiakos-senario-gia-samari/
I really hope this is just his agent inventing shit..
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/3ofSBnRnV7k4wEomg8/giphy_s.gif)
Garcia fired from PAOK through an online facechat with Savvidis today. Lucescu rehired.
Talking of Lucescu, AEK seem to have approached him for around 1.3 mil per season. He refused of course. As did Rebrov, Michel, Jardim and many others. In fact the only time AEK mentioned Milojevic was to deny interest in him.
It seems Greek football was not quite at the level.. more specifically AEK, PAO, EPO etc.. to get exactly who they wanted. I suspect once the new AEK and eventually PAO and PAOK stadia are complete, the Greeks will be in a better bargaining position.
(https://snipboard.io/iHWLKQ.jpg)
Rebrov was offered to Spurs. Imagine he gets the job :rir:
Citação de: Calcio em 28 de Maio de 2021, 23:39
Rebrov was offered to Spurs. Imagine he gets the job :rir:
What is interesting is many think he is the next big manager. If you look at the budget he had at Ferencvárosi - it was only 30 mil - but it was double that of any other team in the league. Therefore, his many victories must be taken with a pinch of salt imo.
I suspect there may be trouble coming for Spurs, they were desperate to join that breakaway league with Real and Barca because their debts are colossal.
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Maio de 2021, 00:49
Citação de: Calcio em 28 de Maio de 2021, 23:39
Rebrov was offered to Spurs. Imagine he gets the job :rir:
What is interesting is many think he is the next big manager. If you look at the budget he had at Ferencvárosi - it was only 30 mil - but it was double that of any other team in the league. Therefore, his many victories must be taken with a pinch of salt imo.
I suspect there may be trouble coming for Spurs, they were desperate to join that breakaway league with Real and Barca because their debts are colossal.
Ferencvaros position in Hungarian football have a lot of Rebrov. When he arrived they didn't have the dominance.
Citação de: Covenant em 29 de Maio de 2021, 08:56
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Maio de 2021, 00:49
Citação de: Calcio em 28 de Maio de 2021, 23:39
Rebrov was offered to Spurs. Imagine he gets the job :rir:
What is interesting is many think he is the next big manager. If you look at the budget he had at Ferencvárosi - it was only 30 mil - but it was double that of any other team in the league. Therefore, his many victories must be taken with a pinch of salt imo.
I suspect there may be trouble coming for Spurs, they were desperate to join that breakaway league with Real and Barca because their debts are colossal.
Ferencvaros position in Hungarian football have a lot of Rebrov. When he arrived they didn't have the dominance.
Didn't they win the league a year before Rebrov arrived? Also didn't they have the largest player budget in the country when he arrived and the best stadium?
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Maio de 2021, 14:37
Citação de: Covenant em 29 de Maio de 2021, 08:56
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Maio de 2021, 00:49
Citação de: Calcio em 28 de Maio de 2021, 23:39
Rebrov was offered to Spurs. Imagine he gets the job :rir:
What is interesting is many think he is the next big manager. If you look at the budget he had at Ferencvárosi - it was only 30 mil - but it was double that of any other team in the league. Therefore, his many victories must be taken with a pinch of salt imo.
I suspect there may be trouble coming for Spurs, they were desperate to join that breakaway league with Real and Barca because their debts are colossal.
Ferencvaros position in Hungarian football have a lot of Rebrov. When he arrived they didn't have the dominance.
Didn't they win the league a year before Rebrov arrived? Also didn't they have the largest player budget in the country when he arrived and the best stadium?
Ferencvaros is the biggest Hungarian club. It is normal having the best stadium.
But conquer 3 titles in a row isn't normal in a club that had 1 title since 2003/2004. Rebrov even qualified Ferencvaros for the Champions League group stage.
He can flop in a different club but he sure have some qualities.
Citação de: Covenant em 29 de Maio de 2021, 15:12
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Maio de 2021, 14:37
Citação de: Covenant em 29 de Maio de 2021, 08:56
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Maio de 2021, 00:49
Citação de: Calcio em 28 de Maio de 2021, 23:39
Rebrov was offered to Spurs. Imagine he gets the job :rir:
What is interesting is many think he is the next big manager. If you look at the budget he had at Ferencvárosi - it was only 30 mil - but it was double that of any other team in the league. Therefore, his many victories must be taken with a pinch of salt imo.
I suspect there may be trouble coming for Spurs, they were desperate to join that breakaway league with Real and Barca because their debts are colossal.
Ferencvaros position in Hungarian football have a lot of Rebrov. When he arrived they didn't have the dominance.
Didn't they win the league a year before Rebrov arrived? Also didn't they have the largest player budget in the country when he arrived and the best stadium?
Ferencvaros is the biggest Hungarian club. It is normal having the best stadium.
But conquer 3 titles in a row isn't normal in a club that had 1 title since 2003/2004. Rebrov even qualified Ferencvaros for the Champions League group stage.
He can flop in a different club but he sure have some qualities.
Maybe they were just employing shit managers before Rebrov? The Greek national team manager for example usually selects 5 left backs for every squad. Plays left backs as CMs, CBs too.. Maybe Rebrov just wasn't an idiot with the biggest budget and best stadium in the league? Maybe he just didn't self sabotage the team. :confused:
I really like Martins, but the only time he fucks up is when he plays players out of position, like Xolebas (a lb) at CB in the cup final. I see 100s of managers who self sabotage before kick off.
Mantalos signs till 2024 with AEK. Nice video of their stadium included. Is it me or is Mantalos slightly limpng on his right? He was never the same player after his ACL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxcibdD7EGs
That absolute shithole of a stadium Benfica had to play in, the Toumba, is to be demolished and rebuilt. Today the spatial plan was approved. Next, PAOK have to present plans of the actual stadium and they will pass without problem most likely.
https://www.sportime.gr/paok/paok-nea-toumpa-egkrithike-to-idiko-choriko-schedio/
In other news it seems Oly, PAO, AEK, PAOK, Aris and Atromitos will submit B teams for the first time. They will enter the second division.
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Junho de 2021, 21:03
That absolute shithole of a stadium Benfica had to play in, the Toumba, is to be demolished and rebuilt. Today the spatial plan was approved. Next, PAOK have to present plans of the actual stadium and they will pass without problem most likely.
https://www.sportime.gr/paok/paok-nea-toumpa-egkrithike-to-idiko-choriko-schedio/
In other news it seems Oly, PAO, AEK, PAOK, Aris and Atromitos will submit B teams for the first time. They will enter the second division.
B teams are good for young players development. For some odd reason Portugal used to have them 20 or so years ago but then got rid of them for about a decade until it brought them back around 2012.
How's Greece working in the development of young players lately? Any promising youngsters.
Citação de: Festivus em 25 de Junho de 2021, 03:41
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Junho de 2021, 21:03
That absolute shithole of a stadium Benfica had to play in, the Toumba, is to be demolished and rebuilt. Today the spatial plan was approved. Next, PAOK have to present plans of the actual stadium and they will pass without problem most likely.
https://www.sportime.gr/paok/paok-nea-toumpa-egkrithike-to-idiko-choriko-schedio/
In other news it seems Oly, PAO, AEK, PAOK, Aris and Atromitos will submit B teams for the first time. They will enter the second division.
B teams are good for young players development. For some odd reason Portugal used to have them 20 or so years ago but then got rid of them for about a decade until it brought them back around 2012.
How's Greece working in the development of young players lately? Any promising youngsters.
Olympiacos has a fair few coming through and I believe they will all be on full display in the B team this season. The stand outs are players like the 16 year old
Kalogeropoulos (CB) who played a few games for the first team and was superb, Tselios and Liatsos - who is a 10 and highly rated. Martins like Kalogeropoulos a lot. He likes another player too.. who may be the next big thing.. https://www.sportime.gr/olimpiakos/olimpiakos-to-epomeno-protzekt-tis-akadimias/.. Renos Kasemi.
Besides Olympiacos, PAO and PAOK turn out some good players. One is Tsolis of PAOK who I am sure you know of already. However, until the B teams are up and running this coming season, I am not convinced a Greek born Felix would have made it..
The Super League 2 this coming season:
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Finally a decent second league that geographically and support wise describes the whole country properly - Kavala, Kalamata, AEL, Doxa, Panaxaiki, Ergotelis, Xanthi, Trikala, Veria - probably the strongest second division I can remember. Plus all the B teams... This league will actually be watchable - especially as vaccinated fans will most probably be allowed back at games.
AEK's B team stadium will be at their Spata training facility, they are finishing it now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRtsW8E4wkg
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Citação de: Festivus em 12 de Julho de 2021, 01:11
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Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Julho de 2021, 03:43
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On twitter I follow several portuguese people. Not even the ones who live or lived in the UK were rooting for England yesterday.
Citação de: Festivus em 12 de Julho de 2021, 03:59
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On twitter I follow several portuguese people. Not even the ones who live or lived in the UK were rooting for England yesterday.
Man.. I actually wanted England to win this but Southgate is such a natural idiot. The team is so political.. plus all 3 of his subs - subbed on just to take pens-missed their pens.. including a 19 year old Saka who had no business taking one..
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Julho de 2021, 04:10
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On twitter I follow several portuguese people. Not even the ones who live or lived in the UK were rooting for England yesterday.
Man.. I actually wanted England to win this but Southgate is such a natural idiot. The team is so political.. plus all 3 of his subs - subbed on just to take pens-missed their pens.. including a 19 year old Saka who had no business taking one..
Yeah basically what me and most people said. He sabotaged the team with those subs and the PK assignments.
Dunno about political, though. Why did he get the job, anyway?
England were lucky they got on the easier side and knocked-out a past its prime German team. Also, they played all of their games at home except for one.
This was Southgate's biggest test and he failed.
I've never been a big fan of England's NT. And English football fans on social media don't endear their team much either. Oh and the English media is ridiculously arrogant as are idiots like Rio Ferdinand and Liam Gallagher who claim England would beat whoever won the Spain vs. Italy bout and that English players don't dive because it's not part of their DNA.
Citação de: Festivus em 12 de Julho de 2021, 04:16
Yeah basically what me and most people said. He sabotaged the team with those subs and the PK assignments.
Dunno about political, though. Why did he get the job, anyway?
Southgate was hired because he is a "yes" man. He has zero tactical nous. Everything about him is platitudes and tokenism. He was more interested in making sure the players kneeled for BLM than working out 5 penalty takers vs Italy..
CitaçãoEngland were lucky they got on the easier side and knocked-out a past its prime German team. Also, they played all of their games at home except for one.
The draw was easy.. plus a weak Germany.. this was a once in a generation chance. The first half it was all an illusion. England playing neatly on the ground like they had done most the tournament and Italy not fouling too much.. it was a good look. By the second half it was like entering a time portal back to the clichéd 90s.. Italy cynically fouling 24/7, controlling possession and England reverting to the long ball and picking inappropriate penalty takers..
Gareth was cruel, stupid and possibly woke to throw Saka under the bus. He has never taken a professional pen in his life and is 19 . He was visibly frightened. Grealish said he wanted to take one but wasn't allowed.. All this nonsense Gareth spouts about protecting players.. just subterfuge.
CitaçãoThis was Southgate's biggest test and he failed.
Agreed. The fact he even allowed it to get to pens is absurd. Pens clearly suited Italy. He should have made the team go for the win second half.
CitaçãoI've never been a big fan of England's NT. And English football fans on social media don't endear their team much either. Oh and the English media is ridiculously arrogant as are idiots like Rio Ferdinand and Liam Gallagher who claim England would beat whoever won the Spain vs. Italy bout and that English players don't dive because it's not part of their DNA.
England have a neurosis now.. since 66 so many chances.. the style is wrong imo.. the managers are crap.. the style of the prem in general is anarchic imo. I choose to watch Brazilian, Greek or Spanish football instead. If you speak to normal England fans away from social media the vast majority are humble.
Interestingly, did you notice in the semi, an Italian player wrestling a Spanish player to the ground off the ball in the Italian box second half I believe during a set piece? I saw it in the corner of a replay but it was never mentioned again and VAR were not interested.
Nelson signed for PAOK on a free from AEK... welp
Faliro, could you breakdown the confirmed transfers of the other big 4 plus rumours? :)
Citação de: Calcio em 13 de Julho de 2021, 17:47
Nelson signed for PAOK on a free from AEK... welp
Faliro, could you breakdown the confirmed transfers of the other big 4 plus rumours? :)
Happily. 1 sec.
Ok, so let's begin by discussing this transfer period specifically for PAOK, PAO and AEK. This transfer period for the 3 cannot be described as good or bad - but simply as an unmitigated disaster - particularly for AEK who we shall begin with.
So, AEK finished 30 points behind Olympiacos this season. Their owner - Tiger - states every year his team have the best players in Greece. :rir: Even when he brought in Jiminez last minute to salvage a European spot - he did it by saying he is taking over the best team in Greece - thus stating - if you don't do well - it is down to you.. However after the 30 point difference and AEK clearly lacking decent players - Tiger stated mistakes were made and he will fix it.. whatever that means. The main issue is AEK are extremely tight despite their owner being worth over 4 billion euros.. The budget of the AEK squad is tiny.. 35 million Euros. Let's put that in context. They are a European club who can easily gather over 50k fans for a nothing European game. They have an owner worth over 4 billion euros and are about to have a state of the art new 30k stadium.. and yet their player budget is below Famalicao.. So - big words from Tiger - everyone expecting the cash to flow! Instead - a total disaster - as expressed by their own fans and neutrals.
AEK put Kone in charge of transfers - a former player and brat of Albanian origin. Why he was made the technical director? No idea.
At first they wanted Damien Da Silva of Rennes.. that was their big target. After a month of only trying to get him.. he said no and re-signed with Rennes. So - they built their entire transfer policy around trying to get Olivier Ntcham from Celtic. Why Celtic? They had done business previously with them unloading useless Barkas to them. Also - despite doing business with Celtic - for some reason, they wished to fuck over Celtic (maybe because they may not have paid for Barkas yet?) How could they fuck over Celtic? By getting Ntcham to walk out on his contract so AEK could get him for free. :buck2: That was genuinely the AEK strategy.. They spent a month trying to do this. In the end, Celtic just told AEK to enter into proper negotiations or get lost. AEK chose the later option.. AEK fans were bewildered - especially as AEK signed a washed up Tzavellas to be their new CB for €400k... but would not even offer 1 million for Ntcham. Because of the signing of Tzavellas - their other main target at CB, Goutas (a far better CB) was told to he was not going to be signed by AEK despite them courting him for months! As well as Tzavellas they signed the talented Mitoglou (CB) from Volos - PAOK probably wanted him, but for some reason didn't find an agreement with Beos - owner of Volos. They also got the LB Parras from Panaitolikos.. on a free.. They also signed Le Tallec on a free. Krstičić left. He was so desperate to leave - he paid out the rest of his contract apparently. He then said his spell at AEK destroyed his love of football. :) Chygrynskyi was asked to leave I believe.. and did. Oliveira went to PAOK on a free transfer.. Vasilantonopoulos a descent RB also left on a free. And that is it! They are still stuck with tragic players like Svarnas, Hnid (that I am sure they want to get rid of but can't), Nedelcearu (ditto) etc etc. All in all a disaster of a transfer period. Add to this they made offers on a few players who immediately said no. Word has clearly spread what it is like to be employed by AEK.
So that brings to PAOK - back with the fan favorite Lucescu as coach.. who they have been staging a bizarre love-in with the last month. ''Oh I missed you.. I missed you more.. mwah mwah,...'' He says he missed them and he is home... the media says the players love him and there is a new positivity etc etc.. However as far as transfers have gone - it has not been good. The most interesting has perhaps been Lucas Taylor (RB). Says it all really.. They got the highly rated Tzimas from Asteras. And that is it! They have double the budget of AEK - around 60 million, so once again I suspect it will be us vs them for the SL. Interestingly, their owner Savvidis, has not been back to Greece in ages - perhaps over a year? He keeps saying it will return to sort things out.. but never does.. They are drifting around. I believe they tried to get Gary Rodrigues back but it didn't work out. Maybe when Savvidis has the bravery to return to Greece they may buy some players.. Maybe they waiting to see if they qualify for europe..
PAO is the funniest. Their new coach Jovanović has said no to almost every player offered to PAO. This is funny because many of the players being offered to PAO are the usual shit teams like AEK pick up.. the Tzavellas types.. So because of his insistence on not accepting crap, PAO have got very little.. They signed the excellent LB Kotsiras from Asteras. That was a good one.. and that is it! Even their decent forward Perea who had a great season at Volos they sold this week to PAS.. All in all another disaster..
I can sum up all 3 by saying disorganized and players either didn't want to sign for them or the players they were offered were subpar. But it's fine. When they lose the SL they can just sit back on their chairs with the other 2 and say they lost because the league is fixed..
Other more normal teams have been doing better. Ionikos clearly don't want to be demoted ever again now they are back in the SL and have brought in an entire new team on free transfers, highlights include former Oly player Romao, Bueno and Delgado.
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Aris are in trouble. They have been deducted 6 points from the start of next season for not paying off a former player. All they have to show this transfer period is Denis - the fairly old keeper and the winger Hajrovic.. Karapidis is dragging his feet on the new stadium and that is damaging the club. He is also suffering undoing the mistakes of past presidents - wages that were never paid ect..
Volos did their typical thing. All free transfers but all fairly decent. Also a new manager: Guillermo Abascal.
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OFI Crete apologised to their fans for being in a relegation battle last season. They are trying to make amends by signing striker Mike Van Duinen from Zwolle and CB Pasalidis from Asteras. They also managed to keep their better players on the roster.
What most the teams have done is promote under 21 players to the first teams instead of signing players. As of next year PAO, PAOK, AEK and Oly will have B teams in the second league that wont be able to demoted for 3 years. I suspect we will see some more signings from the bigger clubs soon.
Savvidis finally returns today. I think it could even be two years he has not been in greece!
https://www.sportime.gr/paok/paok-stin-ellada-o-ivan-savvidis/
Aek sign fan favourite Araujo.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lIOMkPU99qY
When start the league faliro ?
Hope Volos can get the title this season
Citação de: ivodaniello em 22 de Julho de 2021, 12:55
Hope Volos can get the title this season
I would not even be surprised if they finished top 5. They have no fans - the city is evenly divided between Olympiakos Volou FC and Niki Volou FC.. but.... they have intelligence. Let's see if they build the stadium Beos said they would. If they do, I suspect either one of Niki Volou or Olympiacos Volou will merge with them if they get into trouble.
AEK knocked out of Europe by a Bosnian team worth 5 million euros..
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The communists are gone!
Aris sadly also knocked out. Tried hard but they need a proper striker. Created lots of chances but no real finisher.
Aris and AEK. 🤦♂️
Citação de: Covenant em 29 de Julho de 2021, 23:27
Aris and AEK. 🤦♂️
AEK 100% deserve to go out. They would be relegated from the Primeira Liga if they were in it. Badly run club, terrible players, naturally dumb owner.
Aris.. they actually played well. They are just missing a good striker. They also had a weak transfer period. It seems they bought Iturbe from Pumas but he caught covid and was barred from the flight to Salonika yesterday.
As usual Olympiacos will have to do all the work.. we are used to it.
Since you're Greek, do the Olympics have a special place in your heart and the hearts of most Greeks?
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Agosto de 2021, 23:12
Since you're Greek, do the Olympics have a special place in your heart and the hearts of most Greeks?
I would say yes, the games are special to Greeks. They follow them closely and are very proud to be first team out on the parade of nations.
However, if a Greek was in a desert island and had to choose between watching a game of basketball or football - or a Greek competing in the Olympics.. I suspect the football/basketball game would win out the vast majority of the time.. in fact add waterpolo to basketball and football. In fact I am aware Greece play the USA in water polo in half an hour.. so yea, bizarrely it is a big sport in Greece.
Citação de: Faliro em 02 de Agosto de 2021, 03:05
Citação de: Festivus em 01 de Agosto de 2021, 23:12
Since you're Greek, do the Olympics have a special place in your heart and the hearts of most Greeks?
I would say yes, the games are special to Greeks. They follow them closely and are very proud to be first team out on the parade of nations.
However, if a Greek was in a desert island and had to choose between watching a game of basketball or football - or a Greek competing in the Olympics.. I suspect the football/basketball game would win out the vast majority of the time.. in fact add waterpolo to basketball and football. In fact I am aware Greece play the USA in water polo in half an hour.. so yea, bizarrely it is a big sport in Greece.
We have less than 30 Olympic medals in total. Our last gold medal was in 2008. And we only have 4 of them. This year we've won a bronze medal and a silver medal so far. Which is already pretty good for our standards. People have faith in Pichardo and Pimenta to win medals in the next couple of days as well.
It seems odd how the Olympic committee is so lax about the naturalisation of athletes though. Seems rather promiscuous. It should be like in football, imo.
Greece has over 100 medals total with over 30 golds I think. Greece could achieve far far more but the Greek sports committees severely under fund athletes in Greece.
As for the Olympics itself.. curious how well the trans dude will do in the weight lifting.
Volos signed Alex Soares. Good player.
Citação de: Calcio em 04 de Agosto de 2021, 21:31
Volos signed Alex Soares. Good player.
They looking to to do some damage this year.
You hear about Aris and Iturbe?
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Agosto de 2021, 22:21
Citação de: Calcio em 04 de Agosto de 2021, 21:31
Volos signed Alex Soares. Good player.
They looking to to do some damage this year.
You hear about Aris and Iturbe?
Yeah, dont know how he's doing these days.
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Citação de: Calcio em 04 de Agosto de 2021, 23:47
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Agosto de 2021, 22:21
Citação de: Calcio em 04 de Agosto de 2021, 21:31
Volos signed Alex Soares. Good player.
They looking to to do some damage this year.
You hear about Aris and Iturbe?
Yeah, dont know how he's doing these days.
Aris just signed Aboubakar Kamara from Fulham.
Citação de: Faliro em 05 de Agosto de 2021, 15:24
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Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Agosto de 2021, 22:21
Citação de: Calcio em 04 de Agosto de 2021, 21:31
Volos signed Alex Soares. Good player.
They looking to to do some damage this year.
You hear about Aris and Iturbe?
Yeah, dont know how he's doing these days.
Aris just signed Aboubakar Kamara from Fulham.
Player without brains, I think. Had a lot of problems on and off the field.
Indeed. They are rudderless.
Also I dont know how this emoji got in my post: :cheerleaders:
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"Tiger.. its time for atonement.."
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Iturbe signs for Aris. Not sure what he will bring.
Lumor to ARIS. Good signing.
Citação de: Calcio em 09 de Agosto de 2021, 18:18
Lumor to ARIS. Good signing.
Let's see. He lost his son two days after sign with them.
Citação de: Calcio em 09 de Agosto de 2021, 18:18
Lumor to ARIS. Good signing.
So that brings them to:
.......................De Matos.............
Sundgren.....Delizisis..Fabiano...Lumour
.............Lucas Sasha.....Matilla........
Mateo Garcia........Gama...........Iturbe
.....................Manos................
They still need a striker. They are considering suing the EPO as the EPO could have lifted their transfer ban earlier - thus allowing to them to make signings for Astana.. but the EPO lost the paper work...
The dog ate the paper.. :rir:
Citação de: Calcio em 09 de Agosto de 2021, 22:05
The dog ate the paper.. :rir:
The EPO didn't even give an excuse why the paperwork was lost.. It definitely cost Aris the tie.
EPO also being threatened by both UEFA and FIFA for not adopting protocols. The EPO is one of the last actively soviet style institutions in Greece - like ERT the state broadcaster. Disorganised, corrupt, deeply unpopular and Greece hating. Olympiacos alone has been highlighting the EPO's corruption and disastrous mismanagement of Greek football.
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In other news, PAOK sell Tzolis for 13 million to Norwich - a record for PAOK. I don't like seeing Greek players go to the Prem - much prefer Iberia. I doubt Tzolis has mandatory minutes in his contract. I can easily see him fading the way Tsimikas and Retsos did.
I'm still hopeful we'll someday rescue Retsos...
While we're at it, Tsimikas can also come here :rir:
We're definitely keeping an eye on Tzolis. I think that kid will land well.
Citação de: Calcio em 10 de Agosto de 2021, 01:39
I'm still hopeful we'll someday rescue Retsos...
While we're at it, Tsimikas can also come here :rir:
We're definitely keeping an eye on Tzolis. I think that kid will land well.
The guy needs to be at Benfica now. I am not sure I recommended him to you guys. I remember recommending Alexandropoulos. Tzolis could be an absolute beast with the right coaching. I am not sure Norwich know what to do with a player like that.
As for Retsos (can play more than two positions better than most) and Tsimikas... they didn't stand a chance. Both were on fire when they left Olympiacos. We get them ready - but they both chose saxon leagues and.. Another problem is 90% of Greek agents work with dutch, Turkish, Italian and saxon leagues. The agents that deal with Iberia and even France etc are rare. I tried to get in with a catalan agent once but fucked it up. Aris interestingly has exceptional relations with latin leagues and latin america. If they had a bigger budget they would really go in there deep.
BTW Calcio - Oly after Mohamed Sherif.
Citação de: Calcio em 09 de Agosto de 2021, 18:18
Tsakiris is in talks to return to the presidency of Super League 2 team Panionios. This is the guy who built the state of the art training centre at Koropi - that was sold to Panathinaikos. He also changed the name of Panionios back to its full original name, signed players like Recoba, Estanyoff etc and indeed was behind the new stadium idea that never happened..
If he goes back to Panionios - it could take them back to the Super League very fast and who knows? That beautiful stadium may be built..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KJeaCVsGlA
Watching this video just now, I realised the song during the final segment is Bella Ciao from Casa de Papel?? :crazy2:
Tzavellas with his elbows again.. I suspect him and Vranjes will collect a few red cards this season.. both are unhinged.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Z4oURJ-ac
Asteras outplayed AEK and won the game..
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Aris thrash PAS. All Aris's new signings scoring.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9dfH3C5wrA
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Agosto de 2021, 01:50
PAO heavily linked with Mateus Vital of Corinthians. What's PAO looking right now?
Transfers and management (stadium?).
Citação de: Calcio em 23 de Agosto de 2021, 22:16
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Agosto de 2021, 01:50
PAO heavily linked with Mateus Vital of Corinthians. What's PAO looking right now?
Transfers and management (stadium?).
Alafouzos sacked all the technical directors in the summer. So PAO is in a strange position of Alafouzos getting recommended players and he then checks with the manager Ivan Jovanović if he wants them. Jovanović just says no to all the usual garbage previous technical directors brought in. However, like AEK, PAO has vast gaps in the roster. They have only scored 8 goals in 7 friendlies and all those goals came from non strikers.
Anyways.. for some reason they seem to think their defence is good... :crazy2: so this week they have been going for attackers. They seem to have completed with Vital. They also completed with Ramon Pascal Lundqvist. They also put in an offer today for Sebastián Palacios.
https://www.sportime.gr/web-edition/e-sportime-24-8-souper-kinisis-o-panathinaikos-pou-eklise-ton-vital-ke-sizitai-me-palasios/
On the plus, they still have some useful players.. Xatzigiovanis, Bouzouki, Kotsiras and imo, the best Greek midfielder (who I wanted Benfica to buy) Alexandropoulos.
As for the stadium, it has gone quiet, but I think it will be built simply because the money and finance is there and the mayor of Athens put his reputation on it being built. PAO will play at Leoforos until their new stadium is built (they just grew a new pitch at their stadium to last until they get their new stadium..) and it seems the club is already gearing up for that move. With AEK moving to their new stadium mid season, the OAKA will soon be disused.
Once PAO have their new stadium I expect Akafouzos to sell. I also expect PAO to replace both AEK and PAOK behind Olympiacos as is their rightful position. AEK are a small team. PAOK anarchic. The true leaders of Greek football are Panathinaikos and Olympiacos and I suspect, sooner rather than later, it will be only those two competing each year for the Super League.
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Agosto de 2021, 23:54
Citação de: Calcio em 23 de Agosto de 2021, 22:16
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Agosto de 2021, 01:50
PAO heavily linked with Mateus Vital of Corinthians. What's PAO looking right now?
Transfers and management (stadium?).
Alafouzos sacked all the technical directors in the summer. So PAO is in a strange position of Alafouzos getting recommended players and he then checks with the manager Ivan Jovanović if he wants them. Jovanović just says no to all the usual garbage previous technical directors brought in. However, like AEK, PAO has vast gaps in the roster. They have only scored 8 goals in 7 friendlies and all those goals came from non strikers.
Anyways.. for some reason they seem to think their defence is good... :crazy2: so this week they have been going for attackers. They seem to have completed with Vital. They also completed with Ramon Pascal Lundqvist. They also put in an offer today for Sebastián Palacios.
https://www.sportime.gr/web-edition/e-sportime-24-8-souper-kinisis-o-panathinaikos-pou-eklise-ton-vital-ke-sizitai-me-palasios/
On the plus, they still have some useful players.. Xatzigiovanis, Bouzouki, Kotsiras and imo, the best Greek midfielder (who I wanted Benfica to buy) Alexandropoulos.
As for the stadium, it has gone quiet, but I think it will be built simply because the money and finance is there and the mayor of Athens put his reputation on it being built. PAO will play at Leoforos until their new stadium is built (they just grew a new pitch at their stadium to last until they get their new stadium..) and it seems the club is already gearing up for that move. With AEK moving to their new stadium mid season, the OAKA will soon be disused.
Once PAO have their new stadium I expect Akafouzos to sell. I also expect PAO to replace both AEK and PAOK behind Olympiacos as is their rightful position. AEK are a small team. PAOK anarchic. The true leaders of Greek football are Panathinaikos and Olympiacos and I suspect, sooner rather than later, it will be only those two competing each year for the Super League.
Great stuff.
Vital & Lundqvist are very good for the Greek league (on paper, of course). Palacios seems like a Asteras signing (argentinian and old) :rir:
Things keep looking up for the league. You keep the same idea as me, that the current SL format is EXCELLENT, yeah? :cheerleaders:
Expectations for SL2? Xhanti main favourites for automatic promotion?
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Agosto de 2021, 14:18
Vital & Lundqvist are very good for the Greek league (on paper, of course). Palacios seems like a Asteras signing (argentinian and old) :rir:
I think PAO would be happy to be as organized and composed as Asteras, perhaps that is what they going for! :rir:
CitaçãoThings keep looking up for the league. You keep the same idea as me, that the current SL format is EXCELLENT, yeah? :cheerleaders:
Yea, I think the league will dip slightly before the turbo of the new stadia kicks in and makes the league dominate the region. I am happy with 16 teams. However I understand many teams are not yet where they should be infrastructure wise. The reason i want 16 teams is that Greece has only one cup and many teams are usually out of europe early, so the more games the better.
CitaçãoExpectations for SL2? Xhanti main favourites for automatic promotion?
That league may be just as interesting as the SL this season. It is the strongest SL2 I ever seen.
Favourites? Hard to tell as I have not be following these teams, but off the bat.. Xanthi (although it seems the club may have just be sold on the sly), Olympiacos Volos (can you imagine two Volos teams in the SL.. :rir: and yet Patras and Larissa doesn't have a single team there...), Panionios (big favourites surely - especially if Tsakiris returns), Iraklis (because.. in a heavy Greece accent..''Why not?'' They are the 6th biggest club in Greece after Aris), Ergotelis (you never know - always well organised), Kallithea, Panseraikos and Aegalio - all had long stints in the SL and of course AEL. Kavala - pure attacking football like Olympiacos Volos - like Olympiacos Volos and Iraklis - demoted for off the field issues - always scored enough points to stay in the SL. If Kalamata get momentum... they could do something big. In fact it is easier to say who are not favourites, there are many big teams in SL2 now - and dont forget, Oly B, PAO B, AEK B and PAOK B will be there too.. anarchy.
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So... Tzolis - perhaps one of the most gifted Greek players in a generation - made his Norwich debut today. 2 goals, 2 assists...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2dzNJsDqDo
Here is the thing with him. He doesn't have the usual Greek weaknesses. Which are:
1/ Inconsistent form. Goes missing.
2/ Not getting into goal scoring positions.
3/ Poor shooting.
4/ Weak mentally.
5/ Weak physically.
6/ No drive.
7/ No real politik.
He is exceptionally talented, strong and a bastard. I still can't believe Norwich got him.. and for under £10 million.. If he had an Italian passport instead of Greek he would already be over 25 million.
Citação de: Faliro em 24 de Agosto de 2021, 22:11
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Agosto de 2021, 14:18
What happened to Panachaiki? They weren't demoted(?). The league really is stacked tho lol
Since our PAOK game, I've fall in love with Tzolis. PAOK got other good youth too.
Citação de: Calcio em 24 de Agosto de 2021, 22:39
What happened to Panachaiki? They weren't demoted(?). The league really is stacked tho lol
Sadly, as I always told, they are a terribly run club. Perhaps the worst I have seen. To play in the SL2 - every team has to provide a deposit of 150,000 euros.. Panaxaiki couldn't do it, so were booted out the league.
https://pelop.gr/katantia-kai-thlipsi/
CitaçãoSince our PAOK game, I've fall in love with Tzolis. PAOK got other good youth too.
Yes, PAOK hoover up all the youth from all of that area. Olympiacos sometimes get a few - but nearly all of them first get shown to PAOK.. most good Greek footballers come from the north of the country.. however their current team has little to no youth and what they do have - teams are already trying to buy - like Koutsias - who is blowing everyone away in training and who Torino FC are trying to buy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgos_Koutsias
Tzolis was an interesting one. He was clearly already exceptional at 18 the same way kyriakos Papadopoulos was at 17. PAOK have had some great attackers - but they always sell them.. Gary Rodrigues, Prijovic, Limnios, Tzolis etc
They are still anarchic. Savvidis has given the stability of them now knowing they will never be in debt, but there is still a broken attitude - especially in transfers - and especially concerning the redevelopment of their Syrian-esque dump of a ground the Toumba. Without Tsipras, they would not have won the league - that is clear and as long as Olympiacos does not fuck up - I think we will be able to retain the league. Since PAOK sold Tzolis, their team is half the speed.
If aris get this guy, they will have one of the most complete squads in Greece.
https://www.sportime.gr/aris-fc/aris-exelixis-me-brorson/
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Paok complete on Mitriță and Sidcley. They also bring back Akpom.
Good players for PAOK. They are trying, at least.
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Agosto de 2021, 23:46
Good players for PAOK. They are trying, at least.
I agree totally. They are making the moves that need to made.. AEK on the other hand - I didn't even bother to mention to you guys.. their main target is Iago Falque.. ;D
There biggest signings this summer? Nordin Amrabat and Le Tallec... ;D
Citação de: Faliro em 26 de Agosto de 2021, 00:41
Citação de: Covenant em 25 de Agosto de 2021, 23:46
Good players for PAOK. They are trying, at least.
I agree totally. They are making the moves that need to made.. AEK on the other hand - I didn't even bother to mention to you guys.. their main target is Iago Falque.. ;D
There biggest signings this summer? Nordin Amrabat and Le Tallec... ;D
I totally forget about Iago Falque. Big flop.
Most interesting signings so far in colour:
Olympiacos
Tiquinho 30
Kunde 26
Onyekuru 24
Vaclik 32
Lopes 25
Aguibou Camara 20
Bah 18
Pinakas 19
Kane 24
Karbownik 20
PAOK
Lucas Taylor 26
Tzimas 20
Akpom 25
Oliveira 29
Sidcley 28
Mitrita26
Kurtic 32
Aris
Kamara 26
Iturbe 28
Lumour 24
Hajdrovic 29
Fabiano 29
Jakub Brabec 29
Mohanad Ali 21
Denis 34
Ndiaye 30
Panathinaikos
Kotsiras 28
Vital 23
Lundqvist 24
Palacios 29
Perez 32
Sarlija 24
AEK
Mitoglou 21
Michelin 24
Zuber 30
Jevtić 28
Le Tallec 31
Araujo 29
Stankovic 28
Vranjes 31
Parras 23
Tzavellas 33
Amrabat 34
Hajsafi 31
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Agosto de 2021, 21:41
https://www.sdna.gr/podosfairo/873188_nea-stoiheia-gia-ton-podosfairisti-poy-katigoreitai-gia-sexoyaliki-kakopoiisi
Amr Warda? :rir:
Citação de: Calcio em 30 de Agosto de 2021, 00:03
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Agosto de 2021, 21:41
https://www.sdna.gr/podosfairo/873188_nea-stoiheia-gia-ton-podosfairisti-poy-katigoreitai-gia-sexoyaliki-kakopoiisi
Amr Warda? :rir:
No idea although Warda would likely have a house in Glyfada when he was playing for Atromitos. Could be career ending.
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Agosto de 2021, 21:41
Most interesting signings so far in colour:
Olympiacos
Tiquinho 30
Kunde 26
Onyekuru 24
Vaclik 32
Lopes 25
Aguibou Camara 20
Bah 18
Kane 24
Karbownik 20
PAOK
Lucas Taylor 26
Tzimas 20
Akpom 25
Oliveira 29
Sidcley 28
Mitrita26
Kurtic 32
Aris
Kamara 26
Iturbe 28
Lumour 24
Hajdrovic 29
Fabiano 29
Denis 34
Ndiaye 30
Panathinaikos
Kotsiras 28
Vital 23
Lundqvist 24
Perez 32
Sarlija 24
AEK
Mitoglou 21
Michelin 24
Le Tallec 31
Araujo 29
Stankovic 28
Vranjes 31
Parras 23
Tzavellas 33
Amrabat 34
Hajsafi 31
Zuber - - > AEK. Good signing.
Citação de: Calcio em 30 de Agosto de 2021, 00:03
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Agosto de 2021, 21:41
https://www.sdna.gr/podosfairo/873188_nea-stoiheia-gia-ton-podosfairisti-poy-katigoreitai-gia-sexoyaliki-kakopoiisi
Amr Warda? :rir:
Oh shit....
https://www.sport24.gr/epikairothta/dikigoros-semedo-yparchoyn-stoicheia-poy-apokleioyn-tin-kataggelia.9338448.html
Of course!...
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Agosto de 2021, 12:58
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Agosto de 2021, 21:41
Most interesting signings so far in colour:
Olympiacos
Tiquinho 30
Kunde 26
Onyekuru 24
Vaclik 32
Lopes 25
Aguibou Camara 20
Bah 18
Kane 24
Karbownik 20
PAOK
Lucas Taylor 26
Tzimas 20
Akpom 25
Oliveira 29
Sidcley 28
Mitrita26
Kurtic 32
Aris
Kamara 26
Iturbe 28
Lumour 24
Hajdrovic 29
Fabiano 29
Denis 34
Ndiaye 30
Panathinaikos
Kotsiras 28
Vital 23
Lundqvist 24
Perez 32
Sarlija 24
AEK
Mitoglou 21
Michelin 24
Le Tallec 31
Araujo 29
Stankovic 28
Vranjes 31
Parras 23
Tzavellas 33
Amrabat 34
Hajsafi 31
Zuber - - > AEK. Good signing.
This is hilarious. Zuber's statements on AEK indicate he has never seen AEK. Use Google translate:
https://www.gavros.gr/article/paraskinia/324914-den-prepei-na-exei-dei-pote-toy-aek-o-tsoymper
Added the the players AEK and Aris just completed on to the list.
So back the bizzaro world of Greek football.
Out of absolutely no where, Aris have ditched plans to renovate the Xarilao and decided to do a Panathinaikos style deal. They will donate the Xarilao (20 acres) to the state to become a much needed park or "green lung" in the over built city of Salonika. They will in exchange recieve a large parcel of land, 170 acres, owned by the OAED (Labour employment organisation) 7km West of their current stadium. There they will build a 30k stadium with shops, hotel etc etc..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rWBhHgtRbIY
I suppose this all came about due to the fact that like Leoforos, the site is too small and it is cheaper to simply start a fresh else where. All this to start in 1.5 years.
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In other news, Zagorakis quit as the head of the mafia EPO after just 5 months in charge. None of his decisions were accepted by the EPO mafia - who till this day still hide their finances from public view. Zagorakis was openly against the EPO bizarrely deducting 6 points from Aris last week and he also has no say in the next Greek manager as Van`t Schip is about to be fired tonight.
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In other news, the investigation into who bribed Aris keeper Siampanis to throw the game in favour of PAOK is finally underway after 1 year... he refused the bribe and reported the incident to police. Seems according to Olympiacos it was a PAOK official who bribed him but the police are reluctant to get to the bottom of it.
Aris going for a new stadium is stellar, but Im afraid that, just like you've explained time and time again, the fans refuse to adopt it due to trivial thinking.
Salonika would now have 2 modern stadiums, counting with the one where Iraklis plays, right? (and a renovated Toumba)
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Setembro de 2021, 21:05
Aris going for a new stadium is stellar, but Im afraid that, just like you've explained time and time again, the fans refuse to adopt it due to trivial thinking.
It's a curious one. The new stadium, although not in the urban Salonika jungle, still seems close to the old one - 14 mins drive down the coast, maybe 10 mins with no traffic. I am not sure the Arianoi and Super 3 are married to Xarilaou the same way those idiot AEK fans are married to Nea Filadefeia. I don't think they will object too much although I could be wrong. I think a lot will depend on the design.
CitaçãoSalonika would now have 2 modern stadiums, counting with the one where Iraklis plays, right? (and a renovated Toumba)
Yes the Toumba will be torn down and rebuilt. The plot is bigger than the Besiktas plot but I suspect they will go smaller - perhaps 35k - enough to get ahead of Aris's new stadium.. ;D So with the Nea Toumba and New Aris stadium - yes, two exceptional venues which will raise Salonika above most other cities in Europe. Iraklis play at the Kaftanzoglio Stadium. They want to move and build a new venue - around 15K. However they are broke, so that won't happen until they get their finances under control. The city, like Athens, has 3 big clubs that dominate. Apollon Kalamaria is like their Panionios..
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Setembro de 2021, 22:11
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Setembro de 2021, 21:05
Aris going for a new stadium is stellar, but Im afraid that, just like you've explained time and time again, the fans refuse to adopt it due to trivial thinking.
It's a curious one. The new stadium, although not in the urban Salonika jungle, still seems close to the old one - 14 mins drive down the coast, maybe 10 mins with no traffic. I am not sure the Arianoi and Super 3 are married to Xarilaou the same way those idiot AEK fans are married to Nea Filadefeia. I don't think they will object too much although I could be wrong. I think a lot will depend on the design.
CitaçãoSalonika would now have 2 modern stadiums, counting with the one where Iraklis plays, right? (and a renovated Toumba)
Yes the Toumba will be torn down and rebuilt. The plot is bigger than the Besiktas plot but I suspect they will go smaller - perhaps 35k - enough to get ahead of Aris's new stadium.. ;D So with the Nea Toumba and New Aris stadium - yes, two exceptional venues which will raise Salonika above most other cities in Europe. Iraklis play at the Kaftanzoglio Stadium. They want to move and build a new venue - around 15K. However they are broke, so that won't happen until they get their finances under control. The city, like Athens, has 3 big clubs that dominate. Apollon Kalamaria is like their Panionios..
Iraklis wants to build ANOTHER stadium!?
Insane stuff, not even Portugal would do that :rir:
Anyway, how's Iraklis these days? Future atleast looking bright with a return in few years times or nada?
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Setembro de 2021, 22:41
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Setembro de 2021, 22:11
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Setembro de 2021, 21:05
Aris going for a new stadium is stellar, but Im afraid that, just like you've explained time and time again, the fans refuse to adopt it due to trivial thinking.
It's a curious one. The new stadium, although not in the urban Salonika jungle, still seems close to the old one - 14 mins drive down the coast, maybe 10 mins with no traffic. I am not sure the Arianoi and Super 3 are married to Xarilaou the same way those idiot AEK fans are married to Nea Filadefeia. I don't think they will object too much although I could be wrong. I think a lot will depend on the design.
CitaçãoSalonika would now have 2 modern stadiums, counting with the one where Iraklis plays, right? (and a renovated Toumba)
Yes the Toumba will be torn down and rebuilt. The plot is bigger than the Besiktas plot but I suspect they will go smaller - perhaps 35k - enough to get ahead of Aris's new stadium.. ;D So with the Nea Toumba and New Aris stadium - yes, two exceptional venues which will raise Salonika above most other cities in Europe. Iraklis play at the Kaftanzoglio Stadium. They want to move and build a new venue - around 15K. However they are broke, so that won't happen until they get their finances under control. The city, like Athens, has 3 big clubs that dominate. Apollon Kalamaria is like their Panionios..
Iraklis wants to build ANOTHER stadium!?
Insane stuff, not even Portugal would do that :rir:
Anyway, how's Iraklis these days? Future atleast looking bright with a return in few years times or nada?
Indeed, Iraklis don't like the Kaftanzoglio Stadium. It's too big for them and they don't like the track probably. Their few fans rattle around in there like 3 Tic Tacs in a box.. They have land at Mikra, where their training centre is. A while ago they even released a nice sexy Italian design for a stadium there.. then they went broke..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vT1_Il_6Okw
The other land they have is where their indoor centre is, near the Kaftanzoglio Stadium. They were checking a few years ago if it is worth building a stadium there.
I just googled Iraklis, the first pic that came up looked like their players were training in the ruins of an ancient temple.. ::)
(https://metrosportls-sf.cdn.edgeport.net/portal-img/post-medium/204/iraklis10.jpg)
They are still it seems a bit in the air but who knows, they are in SL2 again.. they been making signings. I think Aris and PAOK are light years ahead of them now. They need a very wealthy investor. Even then, they don't seem to have the fan base anymore. Aris have at least 300k fans. Iraklis.. maybe half that now?
Seats going in.
(https://s2.aek365.org/cache/images/e/ee3429457bc9f2bbc44142aee0fe6e13.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 10:30
Seats going in.
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Finally.
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 20:12
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 10:30
Seats going in.
(https://s2.aek365.org/cache/images/e/ee3429457bc9f2bbc44142aee0fe6e13.jpg)
Finally.
Tell me about it amigo.. seems there are like 5 workers on site per day.. this has been one of the slowest builds in Greek history.
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 20:53
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 20:12
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 10:30
Seats going in.
(https://s2.aek365.org/cache/images/e/ee3429457bc9f2bbc44142aee0fe6e13.jpg)
Finally.
Tell me about it amigo.. seems there are like 5 workers on site per day.. this has been one of the slowest builds in Greek history.
They build the structure very fast. But then, when was almost done, they almost stopped the construction. 😂
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 20:56
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 20:53
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 20:12
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 10:30
Seats going in.
(https://s2.aek365.org/cache/images/e/ee3429457bc9f2bbc44142aee0fe6e13.jpg)
Finally.
Tell me about it amigo.. seems there are like 5 workers on site per day.. this has been one of the slowest builds in Greek history.
They build the structure very fast. But then, when was almost done, they almost stopped the construction. 😂
He was trying to save money.. Greeks build with concrete faster than anyone else. The entire project has been under staffed. Had it been built normally with a proper crew, it would have been finished last year. Truly weird. Also, not like any other similar major projects are currently underway near by either to tie up workers.. anyways, 1 down.. PAOK, PAO and Aris next..
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 23:53
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 20:56
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 20:53
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 20:12
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 10:30
Seats going in.
(https://s2.aek365.org/cache/images/e/ee3429457bc9f2bbc44142aee0fe6e13.jpg)
Finally.
Tell me about it amigo.. seems there are like 5 workers on site per day.. this has been one of the slowest builds in Greek history.
They build the structure very fast. But then, when was almost done, they almost stopped the construction. 😂
He was trying to save money.. Greeks build with concrete faster than anyone else. The entire project has been under staffed. Had it been built normally with a proper crew, it would have been finished last year. Truly weird. Also, not like any other similar major projects are currently underway near by either to tie up workers.. anyways, 1 down.. PAOK, PAO and Aris next..
I hear every year about a new stadium for Panathinaikos...
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 23:55
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 23:53
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 20:56
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 20:53
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 20:12
Citação de: Faliro em 10 de Setembro de 2021, 10:30
Seats going in.
(https://s2.aek365.org/cache/images/e/ee3429457bc9f2bbc44142aee0fe6e13.jpg)
Finally.
Tell me about it amigo.. seems there are like 5 workers on site per day.. this has been one of the slowest builds in Greek history.
They build the structure very fast. But then, when was almost done, they almost stopped the construction. 😂
He was trying to save money.. Greeks build with concrete faster than anyone else. The entire project has been under staffed. Had it been built normally with a proper crew, it would have been finished last year. Truly weird. Also, not like any other similar major projects are currently underway near by either to tie up workers.. anyways, 1 down.. PAOK, PAO and Aris next..
I hear every year about a new stadium for Panathinaikos...
Indeed. The longest failed project in history. Plans for Votanikos first emerged in 2006.. however, I think this one will happen because the banks have now comitted money and the mayor, Mitsotakis's nephew.. has put his reputation on it. Panathinaikos is still the establishment club of Greece, with historical political power - even though AEK and PAOK control the EPO.
It will be interesting to see who builds the next stadium. I suspect it will be PAO next. If PAOK start first it will humiliate PAO and vice versa. PAOK seem hesitatant despite obtaining planning this year and Aris need to design a stadium first. The PAO stadium can be built fast, faster than AEK.. large industrial plot.. already cleared, planning already granted and part of the project already constructed. And when it starts, I suspect there will be more than 3 workers on site per day. Athens, despite its problems, can rustle up money for construction fast. This is the revised external design for Votanikos , still Salgado's blueprint it seems, but with a reduced capacity to 35k:
(https://asarchitects.gr/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/PAO_201223_AERIAL_NIGHT_1-1.jpg)
(https://asarchitects.gr/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/PAO_210112_close2.jpg)
(https://asarchitects.gr/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/PAO_210112_close1-1.jpg)
After it is constructed, the Athens football landscape will be fairly impressive.
Oaka (for cup semi-finals & finals) 69,000
Votanikos 35,000
Karaiskaki 33,000
Agia Sofia 31,000
Good start for Panathinaikos.
Citação de: Covenant em 11 de Setembro de 2021, 21:13
Good start for Panathinaikos.
Very good and no surprise following their best transfer period in many years. They are looking for a European spot this season. They have intent and they blew away their opponent without needing Xatzigiovanni, Bouzoukis and Villafanez.. Alexandropoulos came on at half time and scored a wonder goal...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uaf3VcNbLE
They still look shaky at the back however..
Today we see the relative strength of Olympiacos, PAOK and AEK at home..
BTW, Ionikos who play AEK today signed Dmytro Chygrynskiy!
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Setembro de 2021, 11:53
Citação de: Covenant em 11 de Setembro de 2021, 21:13
Good start for Panathinaikos.
Very good and no surprise following their best transfer period in many years. They are looking for a European spot this season. They have intent and they blew away their opponent without needing Xatzigiovanni, Bouzoukis and Villafanez.. Alexandropoulos came on at half time and scored a wonder goal...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uaf3VcNbLE
They still look shaky at the back however..
Today we see the relative strength of Olympiacos, PAOK and AEK at home..
BTW, Ionikos who play AEK today signed Dmytro Chygrynskiy!
PAOK - awful.
Olympiakos - Bad.
AEK - Enough.
Panathinaikos have a solid base to build the future, but they are experts at destroying good things...
Citação de: Covenant em 12 de Setembro de 2021, 23:09
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Setembro de 2021, 11:53
Citação de: Covenant em 11 de Setembro de 2021, 21:13
Good start for Panathinaikos.
Very good and no surprise following their best transfer period in many years. They are looking for a European spot this season. They have intent and they blew away their opponent without needing Xatzigiovanni, Bouzoukis and Villafanez.. Alexandropoulos came on at half time and scored a wonder goal...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uaf3VcNbLE
They still look shaky at the back however..
Today we see the relative strength of Olympiacos, PAOK and AEK at home..
BTW, Ionikos who play AEK today signed Dmytro Chygrynskiy!
PAOK - awful.
Olympiakos - Bad.
AEK - Enough.
Panathinaikos have a solid base to build the future, but they are experts at destroying good things...
Would agree with all of that, esp with PAOK. Some at PAOK are even saying Lucescu has come back to destroy PAOK.. ;D
Looking forward to Oly Antwerp on Thurs. Team not functioning well. Will be a battle.
PAO will most like fuck up.
Ionikos 1
Aris 0
Aris players fined and punished for the result. Ionikos, showing intent.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kClaZVBAve4
Another high score for PAO. Their fans are starting to return.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmDB7KP0Pwg
OFI, PAS and OSFP yet to lose a game.
Milo's gone!?
My friends in the world, only you to make me write in english at 6 am.... VOTE LIST B!
Citação de: Calcio em 08 de Outubro de 2021, 23:16
Milo's gone!?
Yip and the media bizarrely pretending AEK suddenly have a great team and Milo is not fulfilling their potential.. :2funny:
I suspect AEK will got for the cheap option as is their nature, therefore a Greek coach..
They want Fernando Santos. He will likely say no. Poyet still has some supporters but is hated by Tiger for saying that AEK needs better players and only gets players who are free.
AEK had a disastrous transfer period as did PAOK.
Faliro my friend. Too much Vlachodimos yesterday right?
Citação de: Iron Mask em 13 de Outubro de 2021, 13:02
Faliro my friend. Too much Vlachodimos yesterday right?
Well Van Shipt builds a digusting 11 most games - LBs as CBs every game, he has expelled Fetfazidis, Manolas, Sokratis, Siovas, Ninis etc from the squad.. We always play ridiculous formations, silly tactics etc.
But to your point, I am not fan of Vlachodimos. Years ago I suggested better keepers from Greece than him when Benfica were sniffing around him. I am no fan of his however there are very few good keepers in Greece so he seems to get the start for the NT because he starts for Benfica.
AEK have got their new eagle and I believe will do a routine similar to Benfica's before each game. It seems to be a different species to the Benfica one:
(https://scontent.flhr1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/249554927_6544840045557418_5916096954621073647_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_eui2=AeGYn665d57M2VY2eTdHeALNL8MM7pmjeUkvwwzumaN5Sf6pQdpGOW_UBdyh6mN_cMI&_nc_ohc=1wbMdtBNOI0AX84BRwZ&_nc_oc=AQkLKT9NiHl5EOOO6nmO0Dwkr-W0IlpvdJmjQxcGD3uT2uNyUwGIfgcumiv0SbQPFXI&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr1-2.fna&oh=182696f9426b9c22c1a975d8fde49769&oe=61A27AA0)
(https://scontent.flhr1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/249844421_6544840695557353_8667824646590789673_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_eui2=AeHuMYpq6gmszwIzybl47dWHphSVo12ruyimFJWjXau7KKuTlvnCCqspgpcY0DU_nHY&_nc_ohc=OwFRcasKwW4AX_g-3qn&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr1-2.fna&oh=366b70579ac6aa88765a7a55d9c8e72f&oe=61A04257)
SL2 starts tomorrow.
My predictions based on looking at the squads...
Northern Group:
Xanthi, Larissa, Thesprotos (remember them? I talked about them here last year after seeing that they had Juan Ramón Rocha as their manager) - fighting for promotion
Almopos, Karditsa - doomed
Southern Group:
Ergotellis, Rodos, Chania - fighting for promotion
Kifisias, Egaleo - doomed
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Outubro de 2021, 22:28
SL2 starts tomorrow.
My predictions based on looking at the squads...
Northern Group:
Xanthi, Larissa, Thesprotos (remember them? I talked about them here last year after seeing that they had Juan Ramón Rocha as their manager) - fighting for promotion
Almopos, Karditsa - doomed
Southern Group:
Ergotellis, Rodos, Chania - fighting for promotion
Kifisias, Egaleo - doomed
Uffff
https://www.sportime.gr/podosfairo/superleague2/super-league-2-apistefto-ki-omos-elliniko-anavlithike-i-premiera-ligo-prin-ti-sentra/
Superb game:
AEK 2
Aris 1
Aris should have won this but the ref and missing easy chances destroyed their chances. When AEK went down to 10 men, it was one way traffic, Aris were dominating before that too.
During the game, the owner of AEK, Tiger, spoke to the owner of Aris and told him some very nasty things:
https://www.gavros.gr/article/podosfairo/328113-bombes-arh-melissanidhs-se-karypidh-tha-se-balw-se-anaphriko-karotsaki
During the 1st half, the 4th official spoke to the AEK coach and informed him, one more foul from Rota and he would be sent off. The AEK coach immediately subbed him on 26' having received the tip.
https://www.gavros.gr/article/podosfairo/328114-rota-o-tetartos-eipe-toy-proponhth-video
The game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQiRFFkIZ5w&ab_channel=aekoseikosienas
By this video I would say next spring. You can see all the seating will be finished this week. So all that is left is interior and finishing the exterior. The major projects outside such as the underground road section is finished.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-8lfaVyOvQ
However, the owner is a tight ass, very few people on site every day so I can imagine it being ready for next season.
Let's see if AEK get a stadium ban for this shit they did last game. There was also violence among the fans. Remember, Olympiacos got a 2 game fan ban just for the smoke bombs that delayed the game vs PAO..
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Outubro de 2021, 21:29
Superb game:
AEK 2
Aris 1
Aris should have won this but the ref and missing easy chances destroyed their chances. When AEK went down to 10 men, it was one way traffic, Aris were dominating before that too.
During the game, the owner of AEK, Tiger, spoke to the owner of Aris and told him some very nasty things:
https://www.gavros.gr/article/podosfairo/328113-bombes-arh-melissanidhs-se-karypidh-tha-se-balw-se-anaphriko-karotsaki
During the 1st half, the 4th official spoke to the AEK coach and informed him, one more foul from Rota and he would be sent off. The AEK coach immediately subbed him on 26' having received the tip.
https://www.gavros.gr/article/podosfairo/328114-rota-o-tetartos-eipe-toy-proponhth-video
The game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQiRFFkIZ5w&ab_channel=aekoseikosienas
AEK legend Nikolaidis admits the ref threw the game for AEK. Brave of him to admit it. It was completely obvious the ref favoured AEK the whole game.. and to think Aris begged for a foreign referee but the EPO vendetta against Aris is still so strong...
https://www.sportime.gr/podosfairo/aek/o-ntemis-exigi-o-dietitis-den-ithele-na-agisi-tin-aek-me-10-den-kalopizo-tin-apopsi-mou/
What happened between Volos and Aris?
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Novembro de 2021, 17:21
What happened between Volos and Aris?
Fighting in the stands and on the pitch. I think it has been established for a while now you can get away with a lot of violence at the Panthessaliko Stadium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brrmixuW_n0
Beos, convicted criminal, who owns Volos is here having to be held back from kicking Super 3 (Aris) fans:
(https://www.gavros.gr/photos/w_800px/articles/202111/3314523.jpg)
(https://www.gavros.gr/photos/w_800px/articles/202111/946f63_3314524.jpg)
(https://www.gavros.gr/photos/w_800px/articles/202111/3314525.jpg)
Apparently, besides this stupidity the game was good. The
Theós tou polémou (God of War) once again showing they are one of the most attacking sides in Greece..
along with Volos..
(https://www.sportime.gr/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/CAMARA-1-1.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBBzxNp61Os
In other news:
Olympiacos B - 3
PAOK B - 1
First ever official games for both sides in the SL2. Seems El Paso will be Olympiacos B's home stadium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkf3F82Elio
Other B team results of SL2:
Kiffisia 2
PAO B 0 ;D
AEK B 1
Kalamata 0
---------------------------------------
PAOK trounced PAO at home in a sold out Leoforo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcwKpZUytkM
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Novembro de 2021, 19:47
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Novembro de 2021, 17:21
What happened between Volos and Aris?
Fighting in the stands and on the pitch. I think it has been established for a while now you can get away with a lot of violence at the Panthessaliko Stadium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brrmixuW_n0
Beos, convicted criminal, who owns Volos is here having to be held back from kicking Super 3 (Aris) fans:
(https://www.gavros.gr/photos/w_800px/articles/202111/3314523.jpg)
(https://www.gavros.gr/photos/w_800px/articles/202111/946f63_3314524.jpg)
(https://www.gavros.gr/photos/w_800px/articles/202111/3314525.jpg)
Apparently, besides this stupidity the game was good. The Theós tou polémou (God of War) once again showing they are one of the most attacking sides in Greece..
along with Volos..
(https://www.sportime.gr/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/CAMARA-1-1.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBBzxNp61Os
Thanks bro.
Citação de: Covenant em 08 de Novembro de 2021, 21:16
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Novembro de 2021, 19:47
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Novembro de 2021, 17:21
What happened between Volos and Aris?
Fighting in the stands and on the pitch. I think it has been established for a while now you can get away with a lot of violence at the Panthessaliko Stadium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brrmixuW_n0
Beos, convicted criminal, who owns Volos is here having to be held back from kicking Super 3 (Aris) fans:
(https://www.gavros.gr/photos/w_800px/articles/202111/3314523.jpg)
(https://www.gavros.gr/photos/w_800px/articles/202111/946f63_3314524.jpg)
(https://www.gavros.gr/photos/w_800px/articles/202111/3314525.jpg)
Apparently, besides this stupidity the game was good. The Theós tou polémou (God of War) once again showing they are one of the most attacking sides in Greece..
along with Volos..
(https://www.sportime.gr/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/CAMARA-1-1.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBBzxNp61Os
Thanks bro.
Flash point revealed:
Aris fans were fucking around in stands, game was paused and this upset the Volos players who had relatives there. Seeing the situation, Barrientos (Uruguayan player for Volos) at some point went up to Bertoglio (Argentine player for Aris). He told him that "you are one of their players, go and tell your fans to calm down".
Bertoglio was puzzled. He did not expect such a thing. He explained that this is not possible. In the conversation the anger rose. "Since you do not have a family in the stadium, do not worry," said the Aris player back to Barrientos.
Somewhere there they began swearing at each other and then the punches flew. Ninis entered the dance while there were also victims. One of them is George Xorianopoulos, an aide to Akis Mantzios (Aris coach), was hit by Grillo (Argentine player for Volos). The latter thought that Xorianopoulos had hit him first (something that had not happened).
In the conflict, Mantzios tried to remove Barrientos, and lambasted him for his behaviour and then told the people of Volos that everything started because of Barrientos for no reason.
Background to the problems in the stands:
A fair few Arianoi went to this game as Aris is a well supported club. Here are the fans on the day:
(https://www.sportime.gr/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/ARIS-OPADOI-1-768x461.jpg)
Volos, the capital of Magnesia, is a picturesque city in Thessaly with nice tsipouro restaurants, ideal for a day trip, a two-hour drive from Thessaloniki. ::)
Volos FC is a brand new club and has no fans... since the people of Volos are supporters of the historical teams of their city, Olympiakos Volou and Niki Volou!
So, the fans of the great ARIS went there good mood to see and enjoy their team. After getting their tickets, they took a walk, visited the restaurants of the city and then they went to Panthessaliko stadium..
Some entered without any issues but then the gates were closed and many were left outside. Nobody understood why the gates were closed....
Tensions erupted outside and police fired tear gas outside the stadium, the atmosphere became bad inside the stadium too and the referee stopped the match just 12 minutes after it started. Match which started again after almost an hour!
Volos FC asked to stop the match for unexplained reasons. Perhaps because the police fired tear gas or because of the tension that was created when the gates were closed and people who paid for a ticket were left out?
I suspect Volos realised too late too many Arianoi had bought tickets and turned the game into a home game for Aris.
The whole issue caused by the complete stupidity of Beos - owner of Volos.
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Outubro de 2021, 22:28
Kifisias, Egaleo - doomed
Kyfisia doing well. It's the richest area in Greece, like the Beverly Hills of Athens. They won again today. Seem to have built their stadium in some sort of quarry?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/2Xd028wuGVJm_L_4ICEuUfRmr3i1VoFdTMkUTyWl0pw7CLRtTvvxvmrKX3EkqeKv7GhldZjRNjt4Yq18ekjoLgfdIhVuVZE)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1CSMjssIHLo
Seriously, take Fernando Santos back.
Citação de: Festivus em 14 de Novembro de 2021, 23:49
Seriously, take Fernando Santos back.
Looked brutal when I saw the result.
Sum up how he fucked you over.
Kavala FC gets permission to play in SL2 having lost the first 2 games. Problem is, due to the way the club is run and with bans on transfers they only have 3 professional footballers. So in their opening game until December they will field basketball players and kickboxers in the 11 inorder to field a team.
https://www.sport-fm.gr/article/podosfairo/SuperLeague2/kabala-tha-agwnistei-sti-SL2-me-athlites-mpasket-kai-boxer/4237907
Citação de: Festivus em 14 de Novembro de 2021, 23:49
Seriously, take Fernando Santos back.
Rumours that he will come back. Article says EPO wants Santos back. :crazy2:
(https://i.snipboard.io/bes1BL.jpg)
Ok, this isn't funny anymore.
(https://i.snipboard.io/h9YHBP.jpg)
What do you think of Epicurus?
(https://i.ibb.co/1Qtjwk8/1-SE0uamkmcq4x-HZLt4nw-KZQ.png) (https://ibb.co/1Qtjwk8)
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 13:34
What do you think of Epicurus?
(https://i.ibb.co/1Qtjwk8/1-SE0uamkmcq4x-HZLt4nw-KZQ.png) (https://ibb.co/1Qtjwk8)
Like the Romans were, I am a massive fan of Epicurus. Pure logic and a good way to live one's life.
But don't try and get out if it.. if Santos dares return to Greece, I will not forgive you. :disgust:
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 15:15
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 13:34
What do you think of Epicurus?
(https://i.ibb.co/1Qtjwk8/1-SE0uamkmcq4x-HZLt4nw-KZQ.png) (https://ibb.co/1Qtjwk8)
Like the Romans were, I am a massive fan of Epicurus. Pure logic and a good way to live one's life.
But don't try and get out if it.. if Santos dares return to Greece, I will not forgive you. :disgust:
That's OK. I can live with that. As long as he leaves I'll be relieved. Even if that's the price to pay.
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 16:04
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 15:15
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 13:34
What do you think of Epicurus?
(https://i.ibb.co/1Qtjwk8/1-SE0uamkmcq4x-HZLt4nw-KZQ.png) (https://ibb.co/1Qtjwk8)
Like the Romans were, I am a massive fan of Epicurus. Pure logic and a good way to live one's life.
But don't try and get out if it.. if Santos dares return to Greece, I will not forgive you. :disgust:
That's OK. I can live with that. As long as he leaves I'll be relieved. Even if that's the price to pay.
Evil. Took me years to rid Santos from Greece.
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 16:53
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 16:04
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 15:15
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 13:34
What do you think of Epicurus?
(https://i.ibb.co/1Qtjwk8/1-SE0uamkmcq4x-HZLt4nw-KZQ.png) (https://ibb.co/1Qtjwk8)
Like the Romans were, I am a massive fan of Epicurus. Pure logic and a good way to live one's life.
But don't try and get out if it.. if Santos dares return to Greece, I will not forgive you. :disgust:
That's OK. I can live with that. As long as he leaves I'll be relieved. Even if that's the price to pay.
Evil. Took me years to rid Santos from Greece.
At least he never managed Olympiacos. He sadly managed Benfica. When he was announced as our manager a lot of us were intently depressed. Sporting and Porto fans don't miss him as their manager either. He had this fetish for getting knocked out at home against lower tier teams in the Portuguese Cup.
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 17:30
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 16:53
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 16:04
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 15:15
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 13:34
What do you think of Epicurus?
(https://i.ibb.co/1Qtjwk8/1-SE0uamkmcq4x-HZLt4nw-KZQ.png) (https://ibb.co/1Qtjwk8)
Like the Romans were, I am a massive fan of Epicurus. Pure logic and a good way to live one's life.
But don't try and get out if it.. if Santos dares return to Greece, I will not forgive you. :disgust:
That's OK. I can live with that. As long as he leaves I'll be relieved. Even if that's the price to pay.
Evil. Took me years to rid Santos from Greece.
At least he never managed Olympiacos. He sadly managed Benfica. When he was announced as our manager a lot of us were intently depressed. Sporting and Porto fans don't miss him as their manager either. He had this fetish for getting knocked out at home against lower tier teams in the Portuguese Cup.
Olympiacos would never even tolerate a coach like him. Fans would be at the training field at Renti in 5 minutes pelting his car with rocks.. his style of football plus his selections make him repulsive.
PAOK fucked.
So... a poor transfer season because Savvidis didn't return to Greece to oversee a proper strategy. However they sold their star player Tzolis and did not replace him. So... today, at home, losing to Aris 0-1 and being outplayed by them, in the final minutes of extra time.. this happens..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCxo3nbsZ1I
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Novembro de 2021, 19:53
PAOK fucked.
So... a poor transfer season because Savvidis didn't return to Greece to oversee a proper strategy. However they sold their star player Tzolis and did not replace him. So... today, at home, losing to Aris 0-1 and being outplayed by them, in the final minutes of extra time.. this happens..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCxo3nbsZ1I
Always a party in Greece.
A fan of PAOK died of cardiac arrest @ the stadium. yikes
Yes, tragic. I am amazed they arrested 4 PAOK fans. Must be a record. Usually zero arrests.
The ref was Bobby Madden. He posted this image on his insta explaining it is not a photoshop..
(https://www.sport24.gr/img/7735/9442076/741000/we1200/1200/paok_aris_mpoukali.jpg)
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 16:04
Citação de: Faliro em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 15:15
Citação de: Festivus em 17 de Novembro de 2021, 13:34
What do you think of Epicurus?
(https://i.ibb.co/1Qtjwk8/1-SE0uamkmcq4x-HZLt4nw-KZQ.png) (https://ibb.co/1Qtjwk8)
Like the Romans were, I am a massive fan of Epicurus. Pure logic and a good way to live one's life.
But don't try and get out if it.. if Santos dares return to Greece, I will not forgive you. :disgust:
That's OK. I can live with that. As long as he leaves I'll be relieved. Even if that's the price to pay.
Seems we may be saved. The EPO - with their ridiculous amount of hangers-on can only afford €600k per year for a coach. I believe Santos is on around 1.5 million.
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/1guRIRFV5gN4ikrUakg/giphy.gif)
Gattuso being linked
Citação de: Calcio em 30 de Novembro de 2021, 21:24
Gattuso being linked
Not sure how I feel about that. He done anything in Italy?
For me it has to be Valverde.
Faliro, is this poll accurate?
https://www.ethnos.gr/sports/article/152232/openereynagiatoellhnikopodosfairopoiaomadayposthrizoynoiellhnesfilathloi
(https://www.ethnos.gr/sites/default/files/images/2021/04/alco_08a.png)
Didn't know PAO was so close to Olympiacos in terms of support :confused:
Citação de: Benfiquista_de_1ª em 20 de Dezembro de 2021, 21:59
Faliro, is this poll accurate?
https://www.ethnos.gr/sports/article/152232/openereynagiatoellhnikopodosfairopoiaomadayposthrizoynoiellhnesfilathloi
(https://www.ethnos.gr/sites/default/files/images/2021/04/alco_08a.png)
Didn't know PAO was so close to Olympiacos in terms of support :confused:
Probably yes. Panathinaikos has massive support but they stay away when PAO lose, hence their name, "the rabbits." For decades PAO was the bigger club than Olympiacos but shit owner after shit owner has diminished them greatly. Remember also Piraeus is a separate city to Athens and Athens itself is huge.. and PAO probably dominate Athens proper. Olympiacos has many fans on the islands, Peloponnese and beyond though.. so this redresses the balance.
When I first joined these forums a few Benfiquistas told me the Greek league will never be competitive without a strong PAO. They are right. However their demise was self inflicted.
Their new stadium will be built soon, there is an auction for the constructors about to begin. I have said it before but will say it again, once this stadium is built, the club will rise far above AEK (never a big a club as PAO) and PAOK. Alafouzos has done the club massive harm too.. he never even wanted it..
When AEK, PAO, PAOK and Aris all have their new stadia, the reality is PAO will take its traditional position behind Olympiacos again. It is like Cruzeiro.. like them or loathe them, they are destined to be a big club.
Surprised to see Giannina in there.
Citação de: Calcio em 22 de Dezembro de 2021, 16:55
Surprised to see Giannina in there.
Yea, good spot. I think they are overstated by this poll and Aris understated slightly. I mean Iraklis, even now, has more fans than PAS and Atromitos. OFI looks a little understated too. AEK looks about right.
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Dezembro de 2021, 18:03
Citação de: Calcio em 22 de Dezembro de 2021, 16:55
Surprised to see Giannina in there.
Yea, good spot. I think they are overstated by this poll and Aris understated slightly. I mean Iraklis, even now, has more fans than PAS and Atromitos. OFI looks a little understated too. AEK looks about right.
Whats the club before Atromitos? Smyrnis?
Citação de: Calcio em 22 de Dezembro de 2021, 18:28
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Dezembro de 2021, 18:03
Citação de: Calcio em 22 de Dezembro de 2021, 16:55
Surprised to see Giannina in there.
Yea, good spot. I think they are overstated by this poll and Aris understated slightly. I mean Iraklis, even now, has more fans than PAS and Atromitos. OFI looks a little understated too. AEK looks about right.
Whats the club before Atromitos? Smyrnis?
You mean PAS Giannina?
I think the Athens clubs goes as follows,
PAO
AEK
Panionios
Atromitos
Aegaleo
Fostiras
Kyfissia
Glyfada
Apollon Smyrnis
I really can't see any Apollon fans anywhere and they have one of the best stadiums in Athens too.
Atromitos should have gone down years ago but they merged with the then successful Xalkidona FC to take their league position.
The most popular Piraeus clubs are:
Olympiacos
Ethinkos (used to be quite good)
Ionikos
Proodeftiki
One final thought, if you were to add together the Niki Volou and Olympiakos Volou fans as one bundle, they would be just after OFI on the list.
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Dezembro de 2021, 12:23
Citação de: Calcio em 22 de Dezembro de 2021, 18:28
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Dezembro de 2021, 18:03
Citação de: Calcio em 22 de Dezembro de 2021, 16:55
Surprised to see Giannina in there.
Yea, good spot. I think they are overstated by this poll and Aris understated slightly. I mean Iraklis, even now, has more fans than PAS and Atromitos. OFI looks a little understated too. AEK looks about right.
Whats the club before Atromitos? Smyrnis?
You mean PAS Giannina?
I think the Athens clubs goes as follows,
PAO
AEK
Panionios
Atromitos
Aegaleo
Fostiras
Kyfissia
Glyfada
Apollon Smyrnis
I really can't see any Apollon fans anywhere and they have one of the best stadiums in Athens too.
Atromitos should have gone down years ago but they merged with the then successful Xalkidona FC to take their league position.
The most popular Piraeus clubs are:
Olympiacos
Ethinkos (used to be quite good)
Ionikos
Proodeftiki
One final thought, if you were to add together the Niki Volou and Olympiakos Volou fans as one bundle, they would be just after OFI on the list.
On the list! :rir:
Citação de: Calcio em 23 de Dezembro de 2021, 13:52
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Dezembro de 2021, 12:23
Citação de: Calcio em 22 de Dezembro de 2021, 18:28
Citação de: Faliro em 22 de Dezembro de 2021, 18:03
Citação de: Calcio em 22 de Dezembro de 2021, 16:55
Surprised to see Giannina in there.
Yea, good spot. I think they are overstated by this poll and Aris understated slightly. I mean Iraklis, even now, has more fans than PAS and Atromitos. OFI looks a little understated too. AEK looks about right.
Whats the club before Atromitos? Smyrnis?
You mean PAS Giannina?
I think the Athens clubs goes as follows,
PAO
AEK
Panionios
Atromitos
Aegaleo
Fostiras
Kyfissia
Glyfada
Apollon Smyrnis
I really can't see any Apollon fans anywhere and they have one of the best stadiums in Athens too.
Atromitos should have gone down years ago but they merged with the then successful Xalkidona FC to take their league position.
The most popular Piraeus clubs are:
Olympiacos
Ethinkos (used to be quite good)
Ionikos
Proodeftiki
One final thought, if you were to add together the Niki Volou and Olympiakos Volou fans as one bundle, they would be just after OFI on the list.
On the list! :rir:
Larissa
Yip Larisa. Only club outside Athens and Salonika that has won the league.
PAOK is like FCPorto in the 80s ruled by mafia but without winning anything :rir:
Citação de: Benficaa em 23 de Dezembro de 2021, 16:38
PAOK is like FCPorto in the 80s ruled by mafia but without winning anything :rir:
:2funny:
True and the league that PAOK won was only because Tsipras fixed the league with his sports minister in 2019, well summed up in this beautiful drawing:
(http://resources.sport-fm.gr/supersportFM/images/news/19/04/23/131558.jpg)
Olympiacos: 'What's the commotion down there?'
PAOK: 'Ufff! Finally! After 93 years since my founding I have arrived!'
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Novembro de 2021, 22:15
After around 8 games, the most likely to rise from SL2 are Xanthi followed by Levadiakos and Veria. Kalamata, AEL and Egaleo also in the running.
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Dezembro de 2021, 10:27
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Novembro de 2021, 22:15
After around 8 games, the most likely to rise from SL2 are Xanthi followed by Levadiakos and Veria. Kalamata, AEL and Egaleo also in the running.
Another day for Iraklis down in the second. Also, no other Crete club.
Citação de: Calcio em 30 de Dezembro de 2021, 15:51
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Dezembro de 2021, 10:27
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Novembro de 2021, 22:15
After around 8 games, the most likely to rise from SL2 are Xanthi followed by Levadiakos and Veria. Kalamata, AEL and Egaleo also in the running.
Another day for Iraklis down in the second. Also, no other Crete club.
Yea, I was thinking about Crete football. The owner of Ergotelis died and the club immediately left the SL and started disintegrating. The smaller clubs on the island are still growing. OFI has a new owner, new team (Samaras and his dad), new logo and will have a new stadium at the soon to be demolished airport. Add to this they have a good coach and the most fans on the island, I expect them to dominate the island from now on. It was no surprise they came to Athens last week and beat AEK. As for Iraklis, just terrible ownership. Xanthi are too big to fail and it seems they will be back to the SL soon. The joker is Kalamata. They have fans and are a good club. Egaleo have a nice stadium, but not sure they have any fans left.. They were originally Ieropoleos FC and in 1946 became Aigaleo.
(https://images32.inewsgr.com/4372/43729329/1.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Dezembro de 2021, 17:09
Citação de: Calcio em 30 de Dezembro de 2021, 15:51
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Dezembro de 2021, 10:27
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Novembro de 2021, 22:15
After around 8 games, the most likely to rise from SL2 are Xanthi followed by Levadiakos and Veria. Kalamata, AEL and Egaleo also in the running.
Another day for Iraklis down in the second. Also, no other Crete club.
Yea, I was thinking about Crete football. The owner of Ergotelis died and the club immediately left the SL and started disintegrating. The smaller clubs on the island are still growing. OFI has a new owner, new team (Samaras and his dad), new logo and will have a new stadium at the soon to be demolished airport. Add to this they have a good coach and the most fans on the island, I expect them to dominate the island from now on. It was no surprise they came to Athens last week and beat AEK. As for Iraklis, just terrible ownership. Xanthi are too big to fail and it seems they will be back to the SL soon. The joker is Kalamata. They have fans and are a good club. Egaleo have a nice stadium, but not sure they have any fans left.. They were originally Ieropoleos FC and in 1946 became Aigaleo.
(https://images32.inewsgr.com/4372/43729329/1.jpg)
Is the Chania merger giving results in terms of attendance? Or OFI and Ergotelis keep dominating the island?
Citação de: Calcio em 30 de Dezembro de 2021, 18:36
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Dezembro de 2021, 17:09
Citação de: Calcio em 30 de Dezembro de 2021, 15:51
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Dezembro de 2021, 10:27
Citação de: Calcio em 29 de Novembro de 2021, 22:15
After around 8 games, the most likely to rise from SL2 are Xanthi followed by Levadiakos and Veria. Kalamata, AEL and Egaleo also in the running.
Another day for Iraklis down in the second. Also, no other Crete club.
Yea, I was thinking about Crete football. The owner of Ergotelis died and the club immediately left the SL and started disintegrating. The smaller clubs on the island are still growing. OFI has a new owner, new team (Samaras and his dad), new logo and will have a new stadium at the soon to be demolished airport. Add to this they have a good coach and the most fans on the island, I expect them to dominate the island from now on. It was no surprise they came to Athens last week and beat AEK. As for Iraklis, just terrible ownership. Xanthi are too big to fail and it seems they will be back to the SL soon. The joker is Kalamata. They have fans and are a good club. Egaleo have a nice stadium, but not sure they have any fans left.. They were originally Ieropoleos FC and in 1946 became Aigaleo.
(https://images32.inewsgr.com/4372/43729329/1.jpg)
Is the Chania merger giving results in terms of attendance? Or OFI and Ergotelis keep dominating the island?
I think the two Iraklion clubs will continue to dominate. Xania is a beautiful town.. but not sure they can muster the fans.. even with the merger..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rEy_VAfUIg
OFI are very strong atm.
OFI sign Luiz Phellype from Sporting. Any good?
PAOK sign Felipe Soares from Moreirense. Thoughts?
Poyet new Greek National Team manager.
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AEK want Santos as a manager if Portugal don't qualify. In the mean time they are trying to appoint the recently sacked National Team manager Van't Schip. :rir:
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Greece still rocked by the murder of a young Aris fan by a group of roaming PAOK hooligans near the Aris stadium. They asked him which team he supported, he said Aris and they murdered him:
https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2022/02/09/greeks-crack-violence-aris-fan-murdered/
Since this topic is about Greek Football, I present my tribute to perhaps the best (unknown) football player of all time: Vassilis Hatzipanagis, an explosive mixture of Maradona, Fernando Chalana and Paulo Futre!!!
http://oindefectivel.blogspot.com/2021/06/a-grecia-teve-um-maradona-e-nao-o.html
https://www.ofutebologo.com.br/2021/09/hatzipanagis-greek-maradona.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11YBK9FmAiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iid0bG-69-E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxilwHrSYOI
. . .
Perhaps the greatest ever Greek player - way before my time - so a mystery to me on many levels. Looking through old videos gives you an idea however of his ability. Typical build of a Maradona type - low centre of gravity (5'8) - excellent awareness and control. If Anastopoulos is considered the best striker Greece ever had - Hatzipanagis is considered the best attacking mid.
(https://www.sportime.gr/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Xatzipanagis.jpg)
Interesting picture simply because Iraklis had many fans back then.. :-X
The tragedy is he already represented the USSR - meaning Greece could never use him in the national team. If he was allowed to play for Greece - he was capable of helping Greece qualify for tournaments in the 70s and 80s.
Was Fernando Santos absurdly lucky when he managed Greece as well?
Citação de: Festivus em 24 de Março de 2022, 22:26
Was Fernando Santos absurdly lucky when he managed Greece as well?
He was. We would win sometimes by hypnotherapy. We were not playing football. The other team would not understand why we were playing with 3 CBs and 3DMs... at home... with a midfielder as a striker.. We played terrible, ugly football and many times the opposition would just get confused and ask their coach what to do..
His lineups made no sense and he was very stubborn but the media loved him because he was not connected with Olympiacos.
So... the amateur of Panathinaikos voted tonight on whether to ditch Leoforos, their old stadium (16k) and build a new 40k stadium at Votanikos. The amateur are basically the fans.
Being Greece, it went down to the wire. :estrelas: To move stadium a 2/3s vote was required in favour of moving. 2/3s is around 66%. Remember AEK fans blocked their then president building a new 50k stadium at Ano Liosia in favour of staying on the old small cramped site at Nea Filadefeia..which now has a state of the art new 30k stadium.. so it would be close..
The vote was as follows:
Voted: 2,994
Valid ballots: 2,985
For: 2051
Against: 934
White: 5
Invalid: 4
68% in favour! It just passed. The vote took place in the basketball arena of Leoforos called the Indian Tomb due to its claustrophobic feel.
So.. Leoforos will be demolished, it is the oldest football stadium in Greece. It will become a park and museum.
(http://photos.wikimapia.org/p/00/03/12/92/17_big.jpg)
Works will now start immediately on building the new stadium, based on a Portuguese design:
(https://www.skyscrapercity.com/attachments/17ate1-jpg.2075290/)
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Março de 2022, 00:47
So... the amateur of Panathinaikos voted tonight on whether to ditch Leoforos, their old stadium (16k) and build a new 40k stadium at Votanikos. The amateur are basically the fans.
Being Greece, it went down to the wire. :estrelas: To move stadium a 2/3s vote was required in favour of moving. 2/3s is around 66%. Remember AEK fans blocked their then president building a new 50k stadium at Ano Liosia in favour of staying on the old small cramped site at Nea Filadefeia..which now has a state if the art new 30k stadium.. so it would be close..
The vote was as follows:
Voted: 2,994
Valid ballots: 2,985
For: 2051
Against: 934
White: 5
Invalid: 4
68% in favour! It just passed. The vote too place in the basketball arena of Leoforos called the Indian Tomb due to its claustrophobic feel.
So.. Leoforos will be demolished, it is the oldest football stadium in Greece. It will become a park and museum.
(http://photos.wikimapia.org/p/00/03/12/92/17_big.jpg)
Works will now start immediately on building the new stadium, based on a Portuguese design:
(https://www.skyscrapercity.com/attachments/17ate1-jpg.2075290/)
It's a mix between Estádio da Luz and Estádio do Dragão, no?
Precisely. Manuel Salgado did the original design, however the final iteration was created by A&S Architects of Greece. I believe the tiers will be steeper than the two stadiums in Portugal. Notice, the two central stands are almost identical in design to the Dragao however the stands behind the goal are more similar to the Da Luz. Despite the Greek alterations - mainly steepness of seating and external aesthetics, this is clearly a Portuguese design.
(https://www.sport24.gr/img/4010/9541872/640000/fb1200/1200/votanikos01.jpg)
(https://www.ekathimerini.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/votakinos-1.jpg)
The area is rough and industrial but close to the centre. You will be able to see the Akropolis from the higher tiers. Another issue is it is fairly close to Olympiacos terroriry.. Rentis, Kaminia etc
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRjra6EWqEPHqjR5DCEGFanoTC68lm02Kd8iQ&usqp=CAU)
Imo it is stadia like this that will make Hellas a viable alternative to Turkey for footballers. At this point the Greek league is slightly better than the Turkish league (which has incredible football infrastructure) but it must hold on to this title. The new AEK stadium, the Karaiskaki of Olympiacos and future new stadiums for Aris and PAOK will mean Greece, although small, will pack a very big punch in football the way it does in Basketball. It will cement Hellas's position as the powerhouse of the Balkans too.
AEK's stadium will be opening soon. Like Votanikos, it is also surrounded by an urban forest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5jLl9w4eFM
Greek league isn't better than Turkish league.
Citação de: Covenant em 31 de Março de 2022, 10:09
Greek league isn't better than Turkish league.
You are only as good as your results. What was the last Greek vs Turkish team game? Olympiacos thrashing Fener.. game before that? PAOK thrashing Besiktas.. what are this years' coefficients? Greece is slightly better atm and with an infrastructure not even a 1/6th of what Turkey has.. with a population... 1/8th of Turkey.
If a top 3 Greek team played a Turkish club currently, the Greek team is more likely to pass.
Now if you are talking away from the betting slip.. organisation, facilities, professionalism, infrastructure, safety.. Turkey is ahead.
AEK looking for a "top shelf" ( :rir:) manager for their new stadium.
Rudi Garcia simply told them to fuck off. :winner: So did Santos who wants to continue with Portugal.
So they are left with Maurucio Pellegrino,
Eusebio Di Francesco, Slaven Billic and
... Paulo Fonseca.
Citação de: Faliro em 15 de Abril de 2022, 18:57
AEK looking for a "top shelf" ( :rir:) manager for their new stadium.
Rudi Garcia simply told them to fuck off. :winner: So did Santos who wants to continue with Portugal.
So they are left with Maurucio Pellegrino,
Eusebio Di Francesco, Slaven Billic and
... Paulo Fonseca.
Matias Almeida now favourite.
(https://www.sportime.gr/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/01-20_04.jpg)
PAOK vs Panathinaikos in the cup final.
Citação de: Covenant em 27 de Abril de 2022, 22:27
PAOK vs Panathinaikos in the cup final.
Brutal game vs PAOK. End to end. Our weaknesses were exposed. Very high quality game. We now have to wrap up the league on the weekend and rebuild in the summer. Carvalho was useless today again. Both full backs terrible. Pao and PAOK have better FBs than us. We must have Fortounis back.
Final PAOK vs PAO at the OAKA in May. Prob 30,000 PAOK fans and 30,000 Vazelos will be allowed to attend.
Almeida signs for AEK for 2+1 years as their manager. Brings his 6 assistants with him.
Interesting choice.
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Abril de 2022, 16:04
Almeida signs for AEK for 2+1 years as their manager. Brings his 6 assistants with him.
Interesting choice.
A risky one too.
Citação de: Covenant em 28 de Abril de 2022, 20:56
Citação de: Faliro em 28 de Abril de 2022, 16:04
Almeida signs for AEK for 2+1 years as their manager. Brings his 6 assistants with him.
Interesting choice.
A risky one too.
I agree. Massive risk especially with their terrible squad.
Also one more humiliation for them. The new kit. They were all hoping it would be a rendition of their infamous dikefalo kit:
(https://cdn.fs.grailed.com/api/file/kxmTbpMQ1Gcjd3Ed5SYd)
(https://www.oldfootballshirts.com/img/shirts/1040/aek-athens-special-football-shirt-1996-1997-s_4687_1.jpg)
The kit has been hinted at for weeks. Aek was hoping many fans would pre order, but only 1000 fans did. Why would more buy without seeing it?
Turns out it is a stupid tiger print.. to celebrate the owner, Melissanidis.. aka 'Tiger'... now no one will buy it..
(https://s2.aek365.org/uploads/articles/images/4/49564d9dbf722ad7a6428ac637d2decc_855427.jpg)
Oly, PAO and PAOK all want Rafa Soares.
Impressive Dikefalos eagle made of steel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfv7Ls0gS9w
AEK started selling season tickets at their new stadium. Certain gates seem missing.. :confused: :2funny:
(https://www.fosonline.gr/media/news/2022/06/20/193259/diarkeiasaek.jpg)
I really like AEK's new stadium.
I have a soft spot for Byzantine themes.
Citação de: Godescalco em 23 de Junho de 2022, 22:35
I really like AEK's new stadium.
I have a soft spot for Byzantine themes.
It's actually looking really good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ozznbmn5_s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpUDW9PRUhA
Citação de: Cloughie em 31 de Março de 2022, 00:51
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10952059/Nottingham-Forest-confirm-signing-Union-Berlin-forward-Taiwo-Awoniyi-club-record-fee.html
I bought Civilization 6 recently. I've noticed Alexander the Great is no longer Greek in the game like he had always been but now is... the leader of Macedonia. The Greek leaders are Pericles and Gorgo. And the Byzantine leader is Basil II.
Citação de: Festivus em 18 de Agosto de 2022, 15:20
I bought Civilization 6 recently. I've noticed Alexander the Great is no longer Greek in the game like he had always been but now is... the leader of Macedonia. The Greek leaders are Pericles and Gorgo. And the Byzantine leader is Basil II.
Indeed, cultural and historical revisionism in real time. Just glad he isn't "Alexandretski" yet..
Most bizarre thing is, in these days of intense self identification.. the one person ignored is Alexander, who constantly referred to himself as a Greek (Hellene)..
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Agosto de 2022, 11:08
Citação de: Festivus em 18 de Agosto de 2022, 15:20
I bought Civilization 6 recently. I've noticed Alexander the Great is no longer Greek in the game like he had always been but now is... the leader of Macedonia. The Greek leaders are Pericles and Gorgo. And the Byzantine leader is Basil II.
Indeed, cultural and historical revisionism in real time. Just glad he isn't "Alexandretski" yet..
Most bizarre thing is, in these days of intense self identification.. the one person ignored is Alexander, who constantly referred to himself as a Greek (Hellene)..
Plus wasn't the Ancient Macedonian kingdom pretty much Greek in terms of culture and language anyway? They also believed in the same gods as the Greeks didn't they?
The current nation of FYROM/Northern Macedonia speaks Macedonian, a Slavic language. I don't think the country is culturaly similar to Greece anymore.
Citação de: Festivus em 19 de Agosto de 2022, 12:00
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Agosto de 2022, 11:08
Citação de: Festivus em 18 de Agosto de 2022, 15:20
I bought Civilization 6 recently. I've noticed Alexander the Great is no longer Greek in the game like he had always been but now is... the leader of Macedonia. The Greek leaders are Pericles and Gorgo. And the Byzantine leader is Basil II.
Indeed, cultural and historical revisionism in real time. Just glad he isn't "Alexandretski" yet..
Most bizarre thing is, in these days of intense self identification.. the one person ignored is Alexander, who constantly referred to himself as a Greek (Hellene)..
Plus wasn't the Ancient Macedonian kingdom pretty much Greek in terms of culture and language anyway? They also believed in the same gods as the Greeks didn't they?
The current nation of FYROM/Northern Macedonia speaks Macedonian, a Slavic language. I don't think the country is culturaly similar to Greece anymore.
This country was never Macedonia.. Greece still has over 90% of ancient Macedonia..
(https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/9406.png)
Ancient Macedonians spoke and wrote in Greek - not disputed.
Worshipped Greek gods.
Were Greek culturally.
Were Greek genetically.
Were allowed to compete in the Olympic games (only Greeks were allowed this honour).
Etc etc.
Modern Northern Macedonians are just Bulgarians who arrived in the region circa 800 AD. The Byzantine Greeks tried to hellenize these invaders but failed. So they still speak slavic. The whole thing is a scam and Greece's fault for not invading that country and breaking it up into small pieces.
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Agosto de 2022, 12:57
Citação de: Festivus em 19 de Agosto de 2022, 12:00
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Agosto de 2022, 11:08
Citação de: Festivus em 18 de Agosto de 2022, 15:20
I bought Civilization 6 recently. I've noticed Alexander the Great is no longer Greek in the game like he had always been but now is... the leader of Macedonia. The Greek leaders are Pericles and Gorgo. And the Byzantine leader is Basil II.
Indeed, cultural and historical revisionism in real time. Just glad he isn't "Alexandretski" yet..
Most bizarre thing is, in these days of intense self identification.. the one person ignored is Alexander, who constantly referred to himself as a Greek (Hellene)..
Plus wasn't the Ancient Macedonian kingdom pretty much Greek in terms of culture and language anyway? They also believed in the same gods as the Greeks didn't they?
The current nation of FYROM/Northern Macedonia speaks Macedonian, a Slavic language. I don't think the country is culturaly similar to Greece anymore.
This country was never Macedonia.. Greece still has over 90% of ancient Macedonia..
(https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/9406.png)
Ancient Macedonians spoke and wrote in Greek - not disputed.
Worshipped Greek gods.
Were Greek culturally.
Were Greek genetically.
Were allowed to compete in the Olympic games (only Greeks were allowed this honour).
Etc etc.
Modern Northern Macedonians are just Bulgarians who arrived in the region circa 800 AD. The Byzantine Greeks tried to hellenize these invaders but failed. So they still speak slavic. The whole thing is a scam and Greece's fault for not invading that country and breaking it up into small pieces.
I wonder why they claim the name Macedonia and didn't think of a new name instead.
I believe Romans eventually were allowed to take part in the Olympics? That is, if Asterix is correct. That might have been when the Romans conquered Greece.
Citação de: Festivus em 19 de Agosto de 2022, 17:41
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Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Agosto de 2022, 11:08
Citação de: Festivus em 18 de Agosto de 2022, 15:20
I bought Civilization 6 recently. I've noticed Alexander the Great is no longer Greek in the game like he had always been but now is... the leader of Macedonia. The Greek leaders are Pericles and Gorgo. And the Byzantine leader is Basil II.
Indeed, cultural and historical revisionism in real time. Just glad he isn't "Alexandretski" yet..
Most bizarre thing is, in these days of intense self identification.. the one person ignored is Alexander, who constantly referred to himself as a Greek (Hellene)..
Plus wasn't the Ancient Macedonian kingdom pretty much Greek in terms of culture and language anyway? They also believed in the same gods as the Greeks didn't they?
The current nation of FYROM/Northern Macedonia speaks Macedonian, a Slavic language. I don't think the country is culturaly similar to Greece anymore.
This country was never Macedonia.. Greece still has over 90% of ancient Macedonia..
(https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/9406.png)
Ancient Macedonians spoke and wrote in Greek - not disputed.
Worshipped Greek gods.
Were Greek culturally.
Were Greek genetically.
Were allowed to compete in the Olympic games (only Greeks were allowed this honour).
Etc etc.
Modern Northern Macedonians are just Bulgarians who arrived in the region circa 800 AD. The Byzantine Greeks tried to hellenize these invaders but failed. So they still speak slavic. The whole thing is a scam and Greece's fault for not invading that country and breaking it up into small pieces.
I wonder why they claim the name Macedonia and didn't think of a new name instead.
I believe Romans eventually were allowed to take part in the Olympics? That is, if Asterix is correct. That might have been when the Romans conquered Greece.
Tito created the country in order to create a pretext to invade Northern Greece and get the Mediterranean port he so desired. The country didn't exist before Tito.
All explained here:
https://www.csmonitor.com/1992/1028/28191.html
I believe after Greece was conquered by Rome, Rome could do as it pleased. Before that, only Greek states, including the colonies in Magna Grecia could participate. Alexander the Great actually won the Olympics.
Ah OK so that's how the country was formed.
Btw, Skopje apparently is a city full of statues. They even have a statue of Alexander there. But they officially call it The Great Warrior. I guess if they officially called the statue Alexander the Great Greece would get really upset.
The Balkans have very confusing history...
Citação de: Festivus em 21 de Agosto de 2022, 17:31
Ah OK so that's how the country was formed.
Btw, Skopje apparently is a city full of statues. They even have a statue of Alexander there. But they officially call it The Great Warrior. I guess if they officially called the statue Alexander the Great Greece would get really upset.
The Balkans have very confusing history...
It's quite simple. Many states need history to feel real. Albanians pretend they are ancient Illyrians.. Bulgaria used to claim the Thracians. Skopje now claims the Macedonians... both peoples are simply slavs documented as coming down around the 6th century AD. The Byzantines deported most the slavs that made it into Greece proper, Nicephorus I deported the majority to Anatolia hence why you get fair Turks in central Turkey.. However there were too many to deport from Bulgaria.. so they are still there.. The Byzantines simply gave up trying to re-hellenize the Balkans.. This is why the area is messy, but it became nuclear when the Ottomans entered the region and converted the Albanians and Bosnians to Islam. The region never recovered.
Bernard --> Panathinaikos.
Citação de: Covenant em 21 de Agosto de 2022, 21:34
Bernard --> Panathinaikos.
Yes, they are trying this season.. Sporar, Bernard, Verbic etc..
Will be nice to have a name like Bernard in Greece..
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Agosto de 2022, 22:04
Citação de: Covenant em 21 de Agosto de 2022, 21:34
Bernard --> Panathinaikos.
Yes, they are trying this season.. Sporar, Bernard, Verbic etc..
Will be nice to have a name like Bernard in Greece..
Let's see if he wants to play or just wants to enjoy Greece. 😅
Citação de: Covenant em 21 de Agosto de 2022, 22:17
Citação de: Faliro em 21 de Agosto de 2022, 22:04
Citação de: Covenant em 21 de Agosto de 2022, 21:34
Bernard --> Panathinaikos.
Yes, they are trying this season.. Sporar, Bernard, Verbic etc..
Will be nice to have a name like Bernard in Greece..
Let's see if he wants to play or just wants to enjoy Greece. 😅
We already know the answer file.. ::)
BTW, De La Fuente looked good for us tonight.
As for the rest, Aris look strong again this season.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pLNmY8K9aNo
Xanthi disbanded.
https://www.sportime.gr/podosfairo/xanthi-i-omada-protipo-ke-i-dialisi-tis-pae/
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Setembro de 2022, 21:01
Xanthi disbanded.
https://www.sportime.gr/podosfairo/xanthi-i-omada-protipo-ke-i-dialisi-tis-pae/
RIP
There Will be emotion this season?
Citação de: Covenant em 29 de Setembro de 2022, 18:47
There Will be emotion this season?
For starters there will be more fans at games. AEK's new stadium opens tonight. While they were at the OAKA - they barely got 10,000 fans per game. In this new OPAP Arena they move into tonight, I suspect, they will get around 30,000 fans there for every game - an extra 20,000 compared to the OAKA.
There is a very good article on why new stadiums are so important I have linked. I amazed greek football survived at all the last 20 years with such crappy stadiums.
https://www.sport24.gr/opinions/antonis-oikonomidis/aek-opap-arena-i-zontania-poy-leipei-apo-to-elliniko-podosfairo.9775637.html
Just incase someone has nothing do to with their lives, AEK return to their new stadium at 6pm gmt for their first game back in their own new stadium in 19 years.
Hesgoal will probably have the game.
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Outubro de 2022, 17:30
Just incase someone has nothing do to with their lives, AEK return to their new stadium at 6pm gmt for their first game back in their own new stadium in 19 years.
Hesgoal will probably have the game.
Great start for them. Let's see how they Will do in the future.
What about new stadiums for others Greek clubs?
Citação de: Covenant em 04 de Outubro de 2022, 14:41
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Outubro de 2022, 17:30
Just incase someone has nothing do to with their lives, AEK return to their new stadium at 6pm gmt for their first game back in their own new stadium in 19 years.
Hesgoal will probably have the game.
Great start for them. Let's see how they Will do in the future.
What about new stadiums for others Greek clubs?
Was a magical night for them. Highlights:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iryMb4EGsz8
So, to take stock.
Olympiacos - Karaiskaki. Perfect.
AEK - Agia Sofia. Perfect.
Now...
PAO - Votanikos. Plans approved. Finance secured. The year long tender for a constructor starts next month. It's a massive project, bigger than the others, includes a shopping mall, urban forest etc. Works to begin 2024. Capacity 40k.
PAOK - Nea Toumba. Plans to submitted to fans next month. They will vote on the best design of 3. Building to start 2024. Capacity 35k due to site not being that big.
Aris - Neo Xarilao. No news, not even plans. Speculative capacity due to the size of the plot they have chosen, 32k.
Iraklis new stadium. Planning stage. Capacity 16k.
OFI.. no designs yet. Probably around 16k.
Kalamata, no designs yet.
It will take a while for Hellas to get back to where it belongs.. however, the Agia Sofia has already lifted the entire league about 10%.
Citação de: Faliro em 04 de Outubro de 2022, 22:06
Citação de: Covenant em 04 de Outubro de 2022, 14:41
Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Outubro de 2022, 17:30
Just incase someone has nothing do to with their lives, AEK return to their new stadium at 6pm gmt for their first game back in their own new stadium in 19 years.
Hesgoal will probably have the game.
Great start for them. Let's see how they Will do in the future.
What about new stadiums for others Greek clubs?
Was a magical night for them. Highlights:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iryMb4EGsz8
So, to take stock.
Olympiacos - Karaiskaki. Perfect.
AEK - Agia Sofia. Perfect.
Now...
PAO - Votanikos. Plans approved. Finance secured. The year long tender for a constructor starts next month. It's a massive project, bigger than the others, includes a shopping mall, urban forest etc. Works to begin 2024. Capacity 40k.
PAOK - Nea Toumba. Plans to submitted to fans next month. They will vote on the best design of 3. Building to start 2024. Capacity 35k due to site not being that big.
Aris - Neo Xarilao. No news, not even plans. Speculative capacity due to the size of the plot they have chosen, 32k.
Iraklis new stadium. Planning stage. Capacity 16k.
OFI.. no designs yet. Probably around 16k.
Kalamata, no designs yet.
It will take a while for Hellas to get back to where it belongs.. however, the Agia Sofia has already lifted the entire league about 10%.
Thanks.
So, welcome back to Elladastan my friends for your monthly update.
PAO have won all 9 of their games in the league and look set for the title this year.
All Greeks teams knocked out of Europe because they crap.
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To stadiums, my favourite subject. There has been an interesting development, but first, to where we are.
PAOK still stalling on revealing the drawings for their 35,000 new toumba stadium.
PAO have put their new 40k Votanikos out to tender.
But here is where it gets interesting. In Greece many lies are told about stadiums because the left doesn't like big stadiums. The councils, journalists - people in positions of power like smaller stadiums because they are cheaper. However they don't admit that. Instead they make up excuses about lack of space etc etc...
So.. It was announced last week Greece is going to attempt to host 2030 World Cup with Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Why is this interesting? Because clearly Greece will need at least 2 40k stadiums. Votanikos can be one but what about PAOK's new 35k stadium that the architects strangely said can't be any higher in capacity due to space limitations even though there is plenty of space. Well, the Saudis really want this World Cup.. so much so... they are willing to throw some money at the new PAOK stadium to make sure this joint World Cup happens. I think the architects PAOK are employing may now suddenly say 40k is possible.. :rir:
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Finally, Greeks are discussing putting massive trenches around the pitches of both these stadiums to stop fans storming the pitch. The debate atm is how deep to make the trenches..
:smokin:
The Olympic stadium isn't an option?
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 02:34
The Olympic stadium isn't an option?
It has not been mentioned so far. Of course the wise money is on the focus of the Nea Toumba and Votanikos. However if 3 stadiums are needed, the only other option is the OAKA.. unless Aris build a 40k stadium like PAOK is now thinking of.. There is the room for a 40k stadium Aris Stadium in the area they are negotiating for.
There is one other factor. FIFA might ditch the 40k minimum capacity for WC stadiums. If that happens, the Karaiskaki and Agia Sofia stadiums come into focus.
My hope is the Saudis force PAOK to go 40k. My hope is they don't allow Greece to jeopardise what is essentially their World Cup.. ::)
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 12:47
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 02:34
The Olympic stadium isn't an option?
It has not been mentioned so far. Of course the wise money is on the focus of the Nea Toumba and Votanikos. However if 3 stadiums are needed, the only other option is the OAKA.. unless Aris build a 40k stadium like PAOK is now thinking of.. There is the room for a 40k stadium Aris Stadium in the area they are negotiating for.
There is one other factor. FIFA might ditch the 40k minimum capacity for WC stadiums. If that happens, the Karaiskaki and Agia Sofia stadiums come into focus.
My hope is the Saudis force PAOK to go 40k. My hope is they don't allow Greece to jeopardise what is essentially their World Cup.. ::)
That's all very cute but the World Cuo Will be here, Spain and Ukraine.
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 12:57
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 12:47
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 02:34
The Olympic stadium isn't an option?
It has not been mentioned so far. Of course the wise money is on the focus of the Nea Toumba and Votanikos. However if 3 stadiums are needed, the only other option is the OAKA.. unless Aris build a 40k stadium like PAOK is now thinking of.. There is the room for a 40k stadium Aris Stadium in the area they are negotiating for.
There is one other factor. FIFA might ditch the 40k minimum capacity for WC stadiums. If that happens, the Karaiskaki and Agia Sofia stadiums come into focus.
My hope is the Saudis force PAOK to go 40k. My hope is they don't allow Greece to jeopardise what is essentially their World Cup.. ::)
That's all very cute but the World Cuo Will be here, Spain and Ukraine.
Doesn't matter though. Saudis will want a bullet-proof bid. A 35k Nea Toumba wont be acceptable. Toumba is to be completed by 2026.. so.. it matters in that regard.
As for an actual WC in Greece, Saudi and Egypt.. I think a better one would be Italy and Greece.. however, Greece needs more stadiums for that to happen.
Portugal and Spain would be excellent.
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 14:13
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 12:57
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 12:47
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 02:34
The Olympic stadium isn't an option?
It has not been mentioned so far. Of course the wise money is on the focus of the Nea Toumba and Votanikos. However if 3 stadiums are needed, the only other option is the OAKA.. unless Aris build a 40k stadium like PAOK is now thinking of.. There is the room for a 40k stadium Aris Stadium in the area they are negotiating for.
There is one other factor. FIFA might ditch the 40k minimum capacity for WC stadiums. If that happens, the Karaiskaki and Agia Sofia stadiums come into focus.
My hope is the Saudis force PAOK to go 40k. My hope is they don't allow Greece to jeopardise what is essentially their World Cup.. ::)
That's all very cute but the World Cuo Will be here, Spain and Ukraine.
Doesn't matter though. Saudis will want a bullet-proof bid. A 35k Nea Toumba wont be acceptable. Toumba is to be completed by 2026.. so.. it matters in that regard.
As for an actual WC in Greece, Saudi and Egypt.. I think a better one would be Italy and Greece.. however, Greece needs more stadiums for that to happen.
Portugal and Spain would be excellent.
The Greek bid ia weak and don't makes any sense. Any other bid is better.
Makes
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 21:44
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 14:13
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 12:57
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 12:47
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 02:34
The Olympic stadium isn't an option?
It has not been mentioned so far. Of course the wise money is on the focus of the Nea Toumba and Votanikos. However if 3 stadiums are needed, the only other option is the OAKA.. unless Aris build a 40k stadium like PAOK is now thinking of.. There is the room for a 40k stadium Aris Stadium in the area they are negotiating for.
There is one other factor. FIFA might ditch the 40k minimum capacity for WC stadiums. If that happens, the Karaiskaki and Agia Sofia stadiums come into focus.
My hope is the Saudis force PAOK to go 40k. My hope is they don't allow Greece to jeopardise what is essentially their World Cup.. ::)
That's all very cute but the World Cuo Will be here, Spain and Ukraine.
Doesn't matter though. Saudis will want a bullet-proof bid. A 35k Nea Toumba wont be acceptable. Toumba is to be completed by 2026.. so.. it matters in that regard.
As for an actual WC in Greece, Saudi and Egypt.. I think a better one would be Italy and Greece.. however, Greece needs more stadiums for that to happen.
Portugal and Spain would be excellent.
The Greek bid ia weak and don't makes any sense. Any other bid is better.
Makes more sense than Spain, Portugal and Ukraine though.. I mean I know you guys like to virtue signal but really? Ukraine? Just have Spain and Portugal. It will be fantastic.
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Outubro de 2022, 11:06
MakesCitação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 21:44
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 14:13
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 12:57
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 12:47
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 02:34
The Olympic stadium isn't an option?
It has not been mentioned so far. Of course the wise money is on the focus of the Nea Toumba and Votanikos. However if 3 stadiums are needed, the only other option is the OAKA.. unless Aris build a 40k stadium like PAOK is now thinking of.. There is the room for a 40k stadium Aris Stadium in the area they are negotiating for.
There is one other factor. FIFA might ditch the 40k minimum capacity for WC stadiums. If that happens, the Karaiskaki and Agia Sofia stadiums come into focus.
My hope is the Saudis force PAOK to go 40k. My hope is they don't allow Greece to jeopardise what is essentially their World Cup.. ::)
That's all very cute but the World Cuo Will be here, Spain and Ukraine.
Doesn't matter though. Saudis will want a bullet-proof bid. A 35k Nea Toumba wont be acceptable. Toumba is to be completed by 2026.. so.. it matters in that regard.
As for an actual WC in Greece, Saudi and Egypt.. I think a better one would be Italy and Greece.. however, Greece needs more stadiums for that to happen.
Portugal and Spain would be excellent.
The Greek bid ia weak and don't makes any sense. Any other bid is better.
Makes more sense than Spain, Portugal and Ukraine though.. I mean I know you guys like to virtue signal but really? Ukraine? Just have Spain and Portugal. It will be fantastic.
I don't agree with Ukraine being parte of this to be honest.
I like the bid from Morroco. They have great fans and are close to Europe.
Citação de: Covenant em 31 de Outubro de 2022, 13:19
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Outubro de 2022, 11:06
MakesCitação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 21:44
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 14:13
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 12:57
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 12:47
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 02:34
The Olympic stadium isn't an option?
It has not been mentioned so far. Of course the wise money is on the focus of the Nea Toumba and Votanikos. However if 3 stadiums are needed, the only other option is the OAKA.. unless Aris build a 40k stadium like PAOK is now thinking of.. There is the room for a 40k stadium Aris Stadium in the area they are negotiating for.
There is one other factor. FIFA might ditch the 40k minimum capacity for WC stadiums. If that happens, the Karaiskaki and Agia Sofia stadiums come into focus.
My hope is the Saudis force PAOK to go 40k. My hope is they don't allow Greece to jeopardise what is essentially their World Cup.. ::)
That's all very cute but the World Cuo Will be here, Spain and Ukraine.
Doesn't matter though. Saudis will want a bullet-proof bid. A 35k Nea Toumba wont be acceptable. Toumba is to be completed by 2026.. so.. it matters in that regard.
As for an actual WC in Greece, Saudi and Egypt.. I think a better one would be Italy and Greece.. however, Greece needs more stadiums for that to happen.
Portugal and Spain would be excellent.
The Greek bid ia weak and don't makes any sense. Any other bid is better.
Makes more sense than Spain, Portugal and Ukraine though.. I mean I know you guys like to virtue signal but really? Ukraine? Just have Spain and Portugal. It will be fantastic.
I don't agree with Ukraine being parte of this to be honest.
I like the bid from Morroco. They have great fans and are close to Europe.
Do they even have a single large stadium without a running track?
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Outubro de 2022, 13:40
Citação de: Covenant em 31 de Outubro de 2022, 13:19
Citação de: Faliro em 31 de Outubro de 2022, 11:06
MakesCitação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 21:44
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 14:13
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 12:57
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 12:47
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Outubro de 2022, 02:34
The Olympic stadium isn't an option?
It has not been mentioned so far. Of course the wise money is on the focus of the Nea Toumba and Votanikos. However if 3 stadiums are needed, the only other option is the OAKA.. unless Aris build a 40k stadium like PAOK is now thinking of.. There is the room for a 40k stadium Aris Stadium in the area they are negotiating for.
There is one other factor. FIFA might ditch the 40k minimum capacity for WC stadiums. If that happens, the Karaiskaki and Agia Sofia stadiums come into focus.
My hope is the Saudis force PAOK to go 40k. My hope is they don't allow Greece to jeopardise what is essentially their World Cup.. ::)
That's all very cute but the World Cuo Will be here, Spain and Ukraine.
Doesn't matter though. Saudis will want a bullet-proof bid. A 35k Nea Toumba wont be acceptable. Toumba is to be completed by 2026.. so.. it matters in that regard.
As for an actual WC in Greece, Saudi and Egypt.. I think a better one would be Italy and Greece.. however, Greece needs more stadiums for that to happen.
Portugal and Spain would be excellent.
The Greek bid ia weak and don't makes any sense. Any other bid is better.
Makes more sense than Spain, Portugal and Ukraine though.. I mean I know you guys like to virtue signal but really? Ukraine? Just have Spain and Portugal. It will be fantastic.
I don't agree with Ukraine being parte of this to be honest.
I like the bid from Morroco. They have great fans and are close to Europe.
Do they even have a single large stadium without a running track?
That is a Big problema in África. They like their running track in every single stadium. 😅
Out of curiosity, I checked out the Greek League table and noticed Panathinaikos are currently first with 45 points.
They have been improving lately? Will they end their drought this season?
Citação de: Festivus em 16 de Janeiro de 2023, 01:51
Out of curiosity, I checked out the Greek League table and noticed Panathinaikos are currently first with 45 points.
They have been improving lately? Will they end their drought this season?
Not likely. They may do it.
Olympiacos started slowly. We went through a few managers, got rid of half our squad.. now we have Michel back, my favourite manager of all time, and we have reduced PAO's lead from 12 points to just 7. We are catching them. We also have Fortounis back.
PAO started strongly and had the best player in Greece before his injury - Aitor. Once he got injured and we got our shit together, we are unbeaten and they were lucky to beat PAS yesterday with a penalty awarded in 90+3.
This season is very competitive. AEK with their new stadium have not been beaten there yet.
If you watch any game this season in Greece, watch the upcoming AEK vs Olympiacos - our first game in their new home.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDmwBK7XMAQIWvm?format=jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 16 de Janeiro de 2023, 14:48Citação de: Festivus em 16 de Janeiro de 2023, 01:51Out of curiosity, I checked out the Greek League table and noticed Panathinaikos are currently first with 45 points.
They have been improving lately? Will they end their drought this season?
Not likely. They may do it.
Olympiacos started slowly. We went through a few managers, got rid of half our squad.. now we have Michel back, my favourite manager of all time, and we have reduced PAO's lead from 12 points to just 7. We are catching them. We also have Fortounis back.
PAO started strongly and had the best player in Greece before his injury - Aitor. Once he got injured and we got our shit together, we are unbeaten and they were lucky to beat PAS yesterday with a penalty awarded in 90+3.
This season is very competitive. AEK with their new stadium have not been beaten there yet.
If you watch any game this season in Greece, watch the upcoming AEK vs Olympiacos - our first game in their new home.
How's PAOK doing?
Citação de: BFXC em 21 de Abril de 2023, 17:23Citação de: Faliro em 16 de Janeiro de 2023, 14:48Citação de: Festivus em 16 de Janeiro de 2023, 01:51Out of curiosity, I checked out the Greek League table and noticed Panathinaikos are currently first with 45 points.
They have been improving lately? Will they end their drought this season?
Not likely. They may do it.
Olympiacos started slowly. We went through a few managers, got rid of half our squad.. now we have Michel back, my favourite manager of all time, and we have reduced PAO's lead from 12 points to just 7. We are catching them. We also have Fortounis back.
PAO started strongly and had the best player in Greece before his injury - Aitor. Once he got injured and we got our shit together, we are unbeaten and they were lucky to beat PAS yesterday with a penalty awarded in 90+3.
This season is very competitive. AEK with their new stadium have not been beaten there yet.
If you watch any game this season in Greece, watch the upcoming AEK vs Olympiacos - our first game in their new home.
How's PAOK doing?
Firmly in 4th place, stadium plans shelved due to Russian owner / Ukraine crisis. Fans not complaining.
The league will be decided on one game: PAO vs AEK this Sunday.
https://www.sport24.gr/football/panathinaikos-sold-out-mesa-se-15-lepta-to-terastio-ntermpi-me-tin-aek-sti-leoforo.10022065.html
Both teams are level on points.
Citação de: Faliro em 27 de Abril de 2023, 13:39The league will be decided on one game: PAO vs AEK this Sunday.
https://www.sport24.gr/football/panathinaikos-sold-out-mesa-se-15-lepta-to-terastio-ntermpi-me-tin-aek-sti-leoforo.10022065.html
Both teams are level on points.
Sick game.
Faliro is your forum still up?
You should do something likes this great website http://www.stadia.gr/maps/mapfootball.html
Citação de: DoubleJ em 30 de Abril de 2023, 13:36Faliro is your forum still up?
You should do something likes this great website http://www.stadia.gr/maps/mapfootball.html
That forum is dead.
Mine is not on fire either..
https://hellas-football.com/
Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Abril de 2023, 20:28Citação de: DoubleJ em 30 de Abril de 2023, 13:36Faliro is your forum still up?
You should do something likes this great website http://www.stadia.gr/maps/mapfootball.html
That forum is dead.
Mine is not on fire either..
https://hellas-football.com/
We had better days here too. The mods and admins aren't that great and left us with Trolls. Many good users left the forum.
Citação de: Covenant em 01 de Maio de 2023, 12:50Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Abril de 2023, 20:28Citação de: DoubleJ em 30 de Abril de 2023, 13:36Faliro is your forum still up?
You should do something likes this great website http://www.stadia.gr/maps/mapfootball.html
That forum is dead.
Mine is not on fire either..
https://hellas-football.com/
We had better days here too. The mods and admins aren't that great and left us with Trolls. Many good users left the forum.
I think in general forums are not strong atm.
First season in the new stadium and AEK crowned champions. How big of an influence did this have?
Citação de: DoubleJ em 14 de Maio de 2023, 19:30First season in the new stadium and AEK crowned champions. How big of an influence did this have?
All the influence. Plus Tiger owns the EPO and can get refs replaced and delay games whenever he wants.
The stadium though is the big one. Every coach who has coached in Hellas has said the same. Greece lacks the stadiums. During the season AEK's defenders were playing Volleyball in their box, I counted at least 7 handballs in the box not given.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcu7BsZJLfs&ab_channel=aekidea.org
Something tells me Almeida will forever be a AEK folk hero..
(https://www.sport24.gr/img/4283/10042871/913000/we1200/1200/5888117.jpg)
Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Maio de 2023, 13:29Citação de: Covenant em 01 de Maio de 2023, 12:50Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Abril de 2023, 20:28Citação de: DoubleJ em 30 de Abril de 2023, 13:36Faliro is your forum still up?
You should do something likes this great website http://www.stadia.gr/maps/mapfootball.html
That forum is dead.
Mine is not on fire either..
https://hellas-football.com/
We had better days here too. The mods and admins aren't that great and left us with Trolls. Many good users left the forum.
I think in general forums are not strong atm.
Message boards are a dying format, I'm afraid. You get generations prefer social media. The closest thing to a forum they use is reddit.
Citação de: Festivus em 18 de Maio de 2023, 12:26Citação de: Faliro em 01 de Maio de 2023, 13:29Citação de: Covenant em 01 de Maio de 2023, 12:50Citação de: Faliro em 30 de Abril de 2023, 20:28Citação de: DoubleJ em 30 de Abril de 2023, 13:36Faliro is your forum still up?
You should do something likes this great website http://www.stadia.gr/maps/mapfootball.html
That forum is dead.
Mine is not on fire either..
https://hellas-football.com/
We had better days here too. The mods and admins aren't that great and left us with Trolls. Many good users left the forum.
I think in general forums are not strong atm.
Message boards are a dying format, I'm afraid. You get generations prefer social media. The closest thing to a forum they use is reddit.
May be for the best. Wasted my life on these things.
Exceptionally slow ground works finally start for the Votanikos Stadium of Panathinaikos. The Stadium will be between 38k-42k making it the largest football specific ground in the country.
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Julho de 2023, 14:15Exceptionally slow ground works finally start for the Votanikos Stadium of Panathinaikos. The Stadium will be between 38k-42k making it the largest football specific ground in the country.
FINALLY.
In other news, Panathinaikos signed Tonny Vilhena. Good player for them.
Citação de: Covenant em 08 de Julho de 2023, 14:18Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Julho de 2023, 14:15Exceptionally slow ground works finally start for the Votanikos Stadium of Panathinaikos. The Stadium will be between 38k-42k making it the largest football specific ground in the country.
FINALLY.
In other news, Panathinaikos signed Tonny Vilhena. Good player for them.
Everyone in Hellas signing players, except Olympiacos, who hasn't signed a single footballer..
AEK made Pineda theirs. He is decent too.
The big question is, the best winger in the country, Palma of Aris, who will get him? - AEK or Oly or maybe he goes abroad..
Tzolis... Another greek flop.😐
Citação de: Covenant em 07 de Agosto de 2023, 08:44Tzolis... Another greek flop.😐
Massive flop.
He is superb, but needs a certain environment. I said from day one he would flop at Norwich, was obvious.
Thoughts on Vangelis Pavlidis?
Also, keep an eye on Jubitana who just upgraded from Iraklis.
Citação de: DoubleJ em 07 de Agosto de 2023, 14:25Thoughts on Vangelis Pavlidis?
Also, keep an eye on Jubitana who just upgraded from Iraklis.
Not a fan.
The real gem is Douvikas who was the top scorer in the entire Eredivisie last season but left out the Greek squad for Pavlidis due to the usual EPO politics. I think if he was Croatian he would have been offered a contract in Italy or Spain on those stats but the Greek cliche of the lazy player is hard to shift.
Another decent greek striker is Fountas, recently thrown out of DC united for racist remarks. Obviously Giakoumakis is pretty good too.
Citação de: DoubleJ em 07 de Agosto de 2023, 14:25Also, keep an eye on Jubitana who just upgraded from Iraklis.
Good numbers.
We loaned Aguibou Kamara to Atromitos again. They have some interesting players.
Little round up:
Kifisia made it to the Super League. They clearly want to stay up. Their notable signings include Botia (former Oly), Ninis, Masouras (RB former Oly), Ipalibo, Kristinsson (former Oly), Lumor, Ožegović etc and they have retained very good players like Tetteh.
A lot of signings for the big 5 will depend on the outcomes of this week's Europeans games. If any of them pass to the next round, more signings will come.
Terrible idiotic incidents by the Croats.
RIP
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/22-year-old-man-stabbed-to-death-brawl-between-aek-athens-dinamo-zagreb-fans-champions-league-qualifier/blte5399d927fae110e
Citação de: Faliro em 08 de Agosto de 2023, 11:21Terrible idiotic incidents by the Croats.
RIP
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/22-year-old-man-stabbed-to-death-brawl-between-aek-athens-dinamo-zagreb-fans-champions-league-qualifier/blte5399d927fae110e
Usual stuff.
Panathinaikos knock Marseille out the CL.
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Força Pana
Despodov is a good signing for PAOK.
Poyet on his way out.
Who do the media want? Who do you think..
Santos..
Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Novembro de 2023, 17:37Poyet on his way out.
Who do the media want? Who do you think..
Santos..
He wants to manage in a championship according to his words.
Citação de: DoubleJ em 19 de Novembro de 2023, 15:08Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Novembro de 2023, 17:37Poyet on his way out.
Who do the media want? Who do you think..
Santos..
He wants to manage in a championship according to his words.
Greece will tempt him simply because he can lose every game and the media will still suck his balls.
Terim to PAO? :rir:
Citação de: DoubleJ em 26 de Dezembro de 2023, 12:21Terim to PAO? :rir:
Vazelos are mad at this guy coming. :rir:
https://www.gavros.gr/article/podosfairo/369426-anw-katw-ston-panathhnaiko-laquo-brazei-raquo-o-kosmos-me-thn-apofash-alafoyzoy
Citação de: DoubleJ em 26 de Dezembro de 2023, 12:21Terim to PAO? :rir:
Ataman coach of PAO BC
Terim coach of PAO FC
:rir:
Citação de: Faliro em 19 de Novembro de 2023, 15:15Citação de: DoubleJ em 19 de Novembro de 2023, 15:08Citação de: Faliro em 14 de Novembro de 2023, 17:37Poyet on his way out.
Who do the media want? Who do you think..
Santos..
He wants to manage in a championship according to his words.
Greece will tempt him simply because he can lose every game and the media will still suck his balls.
Citação de: DoubleJ em 26 de Dezembro de 2023, 12:21Terim to PAO? :rir:
https://www.gavros.gr/article/podosfairo/369447-terim-akoma-den-hrthe-prokalei-me-laquo-emprhstikh-raquo-dhlwsh-gia-to-aigaio
This is going to be interesting. PAO fans booed Terim when he attended their basketball game this week.
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PAO not even the best team in Athens...
Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Dezembro de 2023, 14:58This is going to be interesting. PAO fans booed Terim when he attended their basketball game this week.
(https://i.ibb.co/FBWvh9L/Screenshot-20231229-145638-Chrome.jpg)
PAO not even the best team in Athens...
Why they fired the previous coach?
Citação de: Covenant em 30 de Dezembro de 2023, 11:28Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Dezembro de 2023, 14:58This is going to be interesting. PAO fans booed Terim when he attended their basketball game this week.
(https://i.ibb.co/FBWvh9L/Screenshot-20231229-145638-Chrome.jpg)
PAO not even the best team in Athens...
Why they fired the previous coach?
Hasn't won a derby all year and dumped out of Europe against easy opponents.
Bakasetas is back. What you think about him Faliro?
Citação de: Covenant em 22 de Janeiro de 2024, 13:38Bakasetas is back. What you think about him Faliro?
I think he is one of the key reasons Greece has not qualified for an international tournament since 2014. Slow, bad passer, weak on the ball and has many games where he barely touches the ball despite being played as a 10. The Greek media adore him and many Greeks who don't understand football rate him. I don't think Panathinaikos will win anything while he is there. Any team that includes him is basically starting the game with 10 players.
My only guess why so many rate him is they like his face?
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Citação de: Covenant em 22 de Janeiro de 2024, 13:38Bakasetas is back. What you think about him Faliro?
Bakasetas started his first game for PAO in the Greek Cup.
PAO lose at home to Atromitos 1-2.
First Terim loss at PAO.
Greek media immediately running defence for Bakasetas, whole articles explaining to the Greek people, you can't blame Bakasetas for the loss.
https://www.sportime.gr/podosfairo/panathinaikos/panathinaikos-o-bakasetas-afta-edixe-sto-ntempouto-tou/
🚨 Christian Eriksen pode reforçar o Galatasaray por empréstimo nos próximos dias, segundo o 'FotoMaç'.
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Fernando Santos tenta convencer Renato Sanches a rumar ao Besiktas, de acordo com o jornalista
@NicoSchira
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Faliro, can you give us a perspective about other sports in Greece?
For example:
Basketball - Benfica is the champion, but we have a Strong battle against Porto and Sporting. We Also have more Championships.
Futsal - Sporting is the better team. We had a European title in 2010, but our futsal section lacks organization.
Roller hockey - I believe you don't even know what this is.😂 We have the best League on the World, but it's only popular on Portugal and some regions of Spain, Italy and Argentina. Strong rivalry between Benfica, Porto and Sporting here with Oliveirense in the mix.
Volleyball - We didn't had a very good tradition on Volley, but in recent years it's out best section. Some smaller clubs have very good teams (Fonte Bastardo, Espinho, etc), but our biggest rival here is Sporting.
Handball - Se won the second best European competition recently, but it's out black sheep, it was a once in a lifetime thing. Sporting and Porto are very good and have more tradition on this sport.
Basketball - Probably the seconded biggest sport in the Greece but the strongest in terms of trophies and European competitions. Olympiacos won last year and our top this year domestically. PAO the other huge side. I would say only Real and Barca can match PAO and Oly in Europe. Aris and PAOK also have good teams and beautiful arenas. In fact Greek basketball infrastructure is very good.
Futsal - No idea. Only big team which competes is AEK and it doesn't even dominate the league.
Roller hockey - I don't think Greeks know about this.
Volleyball - Third biggest sport. Again, dominated by Oly and PAO. Violent fans sadly. Not much interest in European competition here.
Handball - AEK and OLy dominate. PAO never even won a trophy in this. This sport is always in the sports media but i don't follow it.
The one missing is waterpolo. Greeks love this sport.
We must also remember Greeks are big gamblers. I suspect many Greeks follow these sports simply to gamble.
Basketball - Probably the second biggest sport in the Greece but the strongest in terms of trophies and European competitions. Olympiacos won last year and is top this year domestically. PAO the other huge side. I would say only Real and Barca can match PAO and Oly in Europe. Aris and PAOK also have good teams and beautiful arenas. In fact Greek basketball infrastructure is very good.
Futsal - No idea. Only big team which competes is AEK and it doesn't even dominate the league.
Roller hockey - I don't think Greeks know about this.
Volleyball - Third biggest sport. Again, dominated by Oly and PAO. Violent fans sadly. Not much interest in European competition here.
Handball - AEK and Oly dominate. PAO never even won a trophy in this. This sport is always in the sports media but i don't follow it.
The one missing is waterpolo. Greeks love this sport.
We must also remember Greeks are big gamblers. I suspect many Greeks follow these sports simply to gamble.
Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Fevereiro de 2024, 10:54Basketball - Probably the second biggest sport in the Greece but the strongest in terms of trophies and European competitions. Olympiacos won last year and is top this year domestically. PAO the other huge side. I would say only Real and Barca can match PAO and Oly in Europe. Aris and PAOK also have good teams and beautiful arenas. In fact Greek basketball infrastructure is very good.
Futsal - No idea. Only big team which competes is AEK and it doesn't even dominate the league.
Roller hockey - I don't think Greeks know about this.
Volleyball - Third biggest sport. Again, dominated by Oly and PAO. Violent fans sadly. Not much interest in European competition here.
Handball - AEK and Oly dominate. PAO never even won a trophy in this. This sport is always in the sports media but i don't follow it.
The one missing is waterpolo. Greeks love this sport.
We must also remember Greeks are big gamblers. I suspect many Greeks follow these sports simply to gamble.
Greeks like going to the casino and stuff?
Citação de: Jotenko em 12 de Fevereiro de 2024, 23:47Citação de: Faliro em 12 de Fevereiro de 2024, 10:54Basketball - Probably the second biggest sport in the Greece but the strongest in terms of trophies and European competitions. Olympiacos won last year and is top this year domestically. PAO the other huge side. I would say only Real and Barca can match PAO and Oly in Europe. Aris and PAOK also have good teams and beautiful arenas. In fact Greek basketball infrastructure is very good.
Futsal - No idea. Only big team which competes is AEK and it doesn't even dominate the league.
Roller hockey - I don't think Greeks know about this.
Volleyball - Third biggest sport. Again, dominated by Oly and PAO. Violent fans sadly. Not much interest in European competition here.
Handball - AEK and Oly dominate. PAO never even won a trophy in this. This sport is always in the sports media but i don't follow it.
The one missing is waterpolo. Greeks love this sport.
We must also remember Greeks are big gamblers. I suspect many Greeks follow these sports simply to gamble.
Greeks like going to the casino and stuff?
Yes, a lot.
Also most stadiums have betting shops in the stadium. Our Greek cup and indeed the Super League is sponsored by a betting company. Olympiacos, Panathinaikos, Aris, PAOK, Panaitolikos etc all sponsored by betting companies. The largest gambling company in Europe is OPAP, owned by the owner of AEK..
Citação de: bruno cardoso em 05 de Fevereiro de 2024, 21:17Fernando Santos tenta convencer Renato Sanches a rumar ao Besiktas, de acordo com o jornalista
@NicoSchira
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Are you placing turkish league transfer rumours on a greek topic just to poke the bear? :2funny:
Dynamo 2
PAOK 0
Olympiacos 1
Tel Aviv 4 (Squad worth less than €20 million..)
As usual, Greek clubs choke vs easy opponents when it matters.
PAOK had zero ambition vs Dynamo despite being far far better.
Oly were appalling. Retsos is not even good enough to be in Olympiacos B yet the loony Greek media still adore him..
Carvalhal is back?!😂
Citação de: Covenant em 10 de Março de 2024, 23:38Carvalhal is back?!😂
Mendilibar signed a contract till 2025 after the Maccabi thrashing..
We are in freefall. Anytime an opponent enters our area, they score.
We probably need a DM.
Citação de: Faliro em 07 de Março de 2024, 22:51Dynamo 2
PAOK 0
Olympiacos 1
Tel Aviv 4 (Squad worth less than €20 million..)
As usual, Greek clubs choke vs easy opponents when it matters.
PAOK had zero ambition vs Dynamo despite being far far better.
Oly were appalling. Retsos is not even good enough to be in Olympiacos B yet the loony Greek media still adore him..
Paok 5
Dinamo 1
Tel Aviv 1
Olympiacos 6
:buck2:
Great win yesterday.
Citação de: Covenant em 22 de Março de 2024, 18:38Great win yesterday.
Yea. I am of the mind you should only enter a tournament if you got a chance of winning it. Not sure these players have that...
Sporting interested in Ioannidis
Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Março de 2024, 08:38Citação de: Covenant em 22 de Março de 2024, 18:38Great win yesterday.
Yea. I am of the mind you should only enter a tournament if you got a chance of winning it. Not sure these players have that...
Not really. For teams like Greece it's important because they can improve.
Citação de: Covenant em 23 de Março de 2024, 15:38Citação de: Faliro em 23 de Março de 2024, 08:38Citação de: Covenant em 22 de Março de 2024, 18:38Great win yesterday.
Yea. I am of the mind you should only enter a tournament if you got a chance of winning it. Not sure these players have that...
Not really. For teams like Greece it's important because they can improve.
Good point but part of me thinks that would truer if young players are given time. When you see our squad and those who start games... Zeca (35), Kourbelis (30), Tzavellas (36), Mantalos (32), Baldock (31), Bakasetas (30), Pelkas (30)..
Ioannidis linked with sporting. Is he good enough?
Citação de: diogo32 em 23 de Março de 2024, 17:14Ioannidis linked with sporting. Is he good enough?
I wouldn't recommend him for Benfica.. put it like that.. :rir:
For me he hasn't stood out but he could be an interesting player.