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[Godescalco]

That's why I said "external party."

War between NATO members is theoretically possible but I'm not sure how that would actually pan out in reality.

[Faliro]

That's why I said "external party."

War between NATO members is theoretically possible but I'm not sure how that would actually pan out in reality.

Greece and Turkey were at war in cyprus. Again, both were NATO members and the blood was being let. NATO did nothing. It is best not to believe NATO will unilaterally do something until that point is reached. If history has taught us anything, it is that pieces of paper signed by various Governments in times of conflict are substitutes for cheap toilet paper. The UN is another example of a defunct organisation.

[Festivus]

That's why I said "external party."

War between NATO members is theoretically possible but I'm not sure how that would actually pan out in reality.

Greece and Turkey were at war in cyprus. Again, both were NATO members and the blood was being let. NATO did nothing. It is best not to believe NATO will unilaterally do something until that point is reached. If history has taught us anything, it is that pieces of paper signed by various Governments in times of conflict are substitutes for cheap toilet paper. The UN is another example of a defunct organisation.

NATO countries probably view Turkey as a useful ally in the middle east and not to mention the EU is considering allowing Turkey to join in someday.

[Godescalco]

Turkey was viewed as an ally against Communism during the Cold War and nowadays against Islamic extremism.

I'm not sure they'll ever be admitted into the EU. In fact, I strongly suspect the EU will collapse or morph into something else sooner than Turkey ever joining it.

[Festivus]

Turkey was viewed as an ally against Communism during the Cold War and nowadays against Islamic extremism.

I'm not sure they'll ever be admitted into the EU. In fact, I strongly suspect the EU will collapse or morph into something else sooner than Turkey ever joining it.

I love the idea of the EU in theory, but it's clearly going through the problems everyone knows. let's see if its able to surpass them.

If Turkey ever joins the EU then I can see Israel eventually joining it as well. They already play in UEFA competitions just like Turkey...

[Godescalco]

I agree with a common European market and European convergence on topics related to security.

European federalism no.

[Faliro]

Turkey was viewed as an ally against Communism during the Cold War and nowadays against Islamic extremism.

No one believes that since 2000. Most the heavy ISIS infantry that captured most of Iraq were trained and armed in Turkey and released into Syria to topple Assad. Apparently seeing these heavily armed soldiers around certain Turkish border cities before Syria erupted was common place. Once released into Syria they became in many cases founding members of ISIS. That is why Turkey as a NATO member  , refused up until late last year, to let America bomb these 'freedom fighters.' Once ISIS had established their caliphate, Turkey was hugely pressured to allow American bombers the use of Turkish airspace and finally caved in November! Turkey refused to allow this before hand because of its close links with these fighters. Turkey also has a history of arming Palestinian terrorists. (I am no fan of Israel btw..)

I'm not sure they'll ever be admitted into the EU. In fact, I strongly suspect the EU will collapse or morph into something else sooner than Turkey ever joining it.

As for Turkey joining the EU. Many Scandinavian nations and countries like the UK are hugely positive about Turkish membership of the EU. However, I believe by the time Turkey is allowed in, Europe will be far more Islamic in nature anyway, so it will be easier to accept 73 million Sunnis have free movement in the EU.

Turkey does more to promote Islam than the arabs..

Turkey to build Balkans' largest mosque in Tirana

Turkey organization TIKA finance Ferhadija mosque reconstruction in Bosnia

Turkish embassy in Serbia is helping to finance restoration of what remains of the country's Ottoman heritage

Turkish company builds and Turkish Government co funds largest central asian mosque in Kazakhstan

Turkey builds largest mosque in Japan - The Tokyo Camii

Turkish Mega Mosque in Germany Sparks Controversy

Cuba Rejects Erdogan's Offer to Build Country's First Mosque

and in Turkey itself:

Turkey to open mosques 'in every university'

Erdogan to build Istanbul's biggest mosque with worlds highest minaret

[Festivus]

I agree with a common European market and European convergence on topics related to security.

European federalism no.

I like not needing a passport to go to many countries. Although tighter border control would be a better option security wise.

As for the federalism, Europe will never be a single country only. that's unrealistic as it gets. The Euro was a good idea on paper but having the same currency for each country with different economy and GDP didn't turn out very well. it's great travelling not another country without having to exchange money but such convenience sure came with a price, didn't it?

[jase25]

Turkey will never be in the EU with Erdoğan in power. And furthermore Turkey doesn't need the EU... it's more of an obstacle to their imperialist ambitions (and I am not saying expansionist, but more like those anti-press laws, arrests, etc, deeply anti-European). And their economy is going good so far.

[Faliro]

The same far left loons that build mosques in Europe all day to make Sunnis feel 'welcome' in Europe are the same mentally deficient EU enlargement bureaucrats that are willing to start of war with Russia over some Russian speaking Ukrainians having an EU flag flying over their town hall in 5 years time.

The EU is becoming increasingly dangerous due to those dictating policy generally having very low IQs.

[Cloughie]

For me, Turkey is the main problem in that region.
And I strongly suspect that ISIS has direct help from Erdogan and his buddies.

[Faliro]

For me, Turkey is the main problem in that region.
And I strongly suspect that ISIS has direct help from Erdogan and his buddies.

The majority of the heavy infantry of ISIS last year (the ones that took over cities in Iraq like they were made of lego) were Turkish trained jihadists. Erdogan and specifically the then FM and neo ottomanist Ahmet Davutoglu believed these ''''rebels'''' would topple Assad leaving Turkey ready to ''police'' the freshly liberated Syria.

[Festivus]

For me, Turkey is the main problem in that region.
And I strongly suspect that ISIS has direct help from Erdogan and his buddies.

Saudi Arabia is another big cancer that breeds extremism in the Middle East. And ofc, American foreign policy wits its support of Israel doesn't help at all either.

The same far left loons that build mosques in Europe all day to make Sunnis feel 'welcome' in Europe are the same mentally deficient EU enlargement bureaucrats that are willing to start of war with Russia over some Russian speaking Ukrainians having an EU flag flying over their town hall in 5 years time.

The EU is becoming increasingly dangerous due to those dictating policy generally having very low IQs.

We barely have any Muslims here and they don't cause problems. then again our Muslims don't come from Middle Eastern countries.

Countries like England and Sweden have a lot of problems, though. And in Sweden the PC far-leftist lobby is insane.

[Cloughie]

Saudi Arabia and Israel are in some way controlled by USA.
Turkey is a different case. They can cause troubles.

[jase25]

Europe is being tolerant towards the intolerants. I am a strong advocate of multiculturalism and social relationships between people with different ethnic backgrounds and I believe that only through this process mankind can achieve some kind of broader mutual understanding, but Europe is forcing this process a lot, going too far without really thinking about what's happening.