Hellas futebol

[Fever]

Yup. A lot of young people with international football just jump from bandwagon to bandwagon, to whatever team it's the coolest at the moment.

It was impossible not to like Barcelona in early Pep years. But then it was way cooler to like Dortmund and now it's Atleti. We just have to wait for next years trend

[Godescalco]

It was impossible not to like Barcelona in early Pep years.

I didn't like them.

[T1n0_SLB]

I think you mean 2008? When Apollon fielded an illegal player against Olympiakos and we were given the 'win' and 3 points for the game after a ruling? Those are the rules and always have been. If a team fields an illegal player, the game (3 points) is given to opposing team. Yes, it meant AEK missed out on the league, but those are the rules and they were not changed or altered to suit Olympiakos. In fact Apollon were warned about this player, but played him anyway.

As for the Olympiakos stadium, what do you want to know?

The same player was given the OK by EPO to play then after their lost he was found ineligible??

About your( its not really yours) stadium, i want to know why Ethnikos does not play there, whe it was sopose to hapenned-

[T1n0_SLB]

Greeks will not be honest with you because most Greek fans are fanatics. ''Olympiakos is the best, fuck PAO, PAOK, AEK etc...'' But the reality is far more complex like in all football countries. For example some clubs seem to develop mutual respects somehow after tears.. an example is whenever Olympiakos play in Crete, we never have any fan trouble these days - seems OFI and Ergotelis are more relaxed about us and since then we can loan them players and become more civilised. In contrast, the moment any Olympiakos fan steps foot in Salonika, there is serious serious problems.

What you're trying to say is that you have several clubs in your pokects, the same way porto do with Braga, Nacional or Setubal.

[Faliro]

I think you mean 2008? When Apollon fielded an illegal player against Olympiakos and we were given the 'win' and 3 points for the game after a ruling? Those are the rules and always have been. If a team fields an illegal player, the game (3 points) is given to opposing team. Yes, it meant AEK missed out on the league, but those are the rules and they were not changed or altered to suit Olympiakos. In fact Apollon were warned about this player, but played him anyway.

As for the Olympiakos stadium, what do you want to know?

The same player was given the OK by EPO to play then after their lost he was found ineligible??

About your( its not really yours) stadium, i want to know why Ethnikos does not play there, whe it was sopose to hapenned-

That is a urban legend created by you know who. There is zero evidence for this other than rumours creaded artificially after the decision by CAS. Apollon were warned and ignored the warning. The EPO does not have the power to stop a club fielding any player, only the power to punish afterwards.

As for Ethnikos, they can play at the karaiskaki anytime they wish. It is another urban legend created by the Vazelos media that they are not allowed to play there. Legally they are allowed but instead they chose to play at Hellinikon and develope that stadium - which was silly because it was designed for baseball...

[T1n0_SLB]

I wonder why they play there rather in karaiskaki, it makes no sense, and why you call karaiskaki yours when it's not, i saw you saying that Leforos does not belong to PAO, but you tnever mentioned that karaiskaki does not belong to you.

I see, it's all urban legend.

[Faliro]

The karaiskaki belongs to Olympiakos for another 40 years. It is leased to us. After 40 years we have to negotiate another lease if we wish to stay there. Under this lease we can do what we want except knock the thing down. We can even expand it if we wish.

Now, you tell me, when does the lease for Leoforos run out? 

Also, as to why Ethnikos chose to play at Hellinkon is more about stupidity than conspiracy. The owner was hoping to build a brand of Ethnikos and acquire that stadium at Hellinikon permanently. Surprise surprise, Olympiakos has good relations with Ethnikos! Their owner has stated when Ethnikos return to the top league, he will revisit the idea of using the karaiskaki, not before.

Here is Ethnikos stadium:

[T1n0_SLB]

No, it's not belong to you. It's not because you're saying that it will be truth and you know that, the govrmment. build it and lease it to you and Ethinikos.

Lease is diferet from sell.

[Faliro]

Lease is ownership for a specific time. 90% of all UK property is leased and by law you are always allowed to renew a lease. While it is leased to Olympiakos it is ours. No one denies this in Greece or at Olympiakos.

I have answered all your questions. Now go back to your Vazelos and ask them when does the lease for leoforos expire. Surely they are not staying there for free at the cost of the greek tax payer??? Common, do tell. olympiakos legally lease the karaiskaki, tell me when the lease for the leoforos expires. I am waiting hear for your explanation. 

[T1n0_SLB]

Go ask these question to PAO fans.

but about that, i think they built it with their own money, and the rebuild they plan to do soon will be with their money.
We can't say the same about karaiskaki witch was built with tax payers money and leasead to you, how much do you pay for it? 500€/month like Porto pays for it's academy?


You can say whatever you want, but karaiskaki is not yours, you are not even the only team on that lease, so stop talking about "our stadium."

[Faliro]

OK, you failed to answer honestly, so now I am going to show you how you are a Porto fan. Enjoy!

I have answered all your questions honestly and with reality, you have continued to make up things. Here we go:

By EU, international and Greek law, the Karaiskaki is the property of Olympiakos FC until 2052. After that, we can negotiate another lease - by law - and no one can stop us. Come to England and tell someone who has a lease on a house for 90 years, he does not 'own' the property. You will get a punch a face! 

The Karaiskaki was built on land owned by the railway company. The stadium only cost €60 million. The stadium was funded by the Olympic Comity and Olympiakos! We put in €20 million, the Olympic Comity €40 million. We then paid to lease the stadium!! After that we also pay the Greek state 15% of revenues from that stadium after tax!!!!

Now you sir are another corrupt Porto fan. You are getting your lies - first hand!! from a club that plays at a stadium owned by the Greek state for free!!!!!!!! PAO pays €0 to use leoforos despite it being owned by the Greek people!!! The lease for the Leoforos expired in 2012 and when the Mayor of Athens mentioned that, he had his life threatened!!!! That is why Greece is in the state it is financially, PAO steal from the state and no one says anything because they are like Porto!!! Olympiakos pays for its stadium, bought a lease LEGALLY from the Olympic comity!! - pays 15% revenues AFTER TAX for the honour and paid 33% of the construction and this stadium has been our home since the 1920s!! Olympiakos also is responsible for maintenance!!!!

PAO stadium at Leoforos is being stolen by PAO - the council legally voted to make the site a park for the people of Athens!!! but are threatened with violence if they start the demolition... PAO pay €0 to the state for the stolen property. That is the club you get your lies from, you are no better than a Portista.  PAO were completely bankrupt last season and should have been relegated by Greek football law for the size of their debts like other Greeks clubs were. What happened? Olympiakos voted to keep PAO up because we believe in CHARITY to mentally damaged people.

[T1n0_SLB]

summary : Lease = buy.

You don't own the stadium, the state put 66% of public money in it, and you still call it yours.
Great.

Porto too has a academy leasead, look similar.
Go tell these stories to a PAO fan, not to me.

[Faliro]

summary : Lease = buy.

LIE 1

Reality. Lease = ownership for a specific period.

You don't own the stadium,

LIE 2
Reality. Lease = ownership for a specific period.

the state put 66% of public money in it,

LIE 3

Reality: The Olympic Comity put 66% of the money to build the stadium. 90% of the Olympic Comity funds came from the IOC - the International Olympic Comity. Note Greek taxpayers... sorry. 

and you still call it yours.
Great.

LIE 4

It is ours until 2052. Than we have to renegotiate with THE OLYMPIC COMITY. 

Porto too has a academy leasead, look similar.
Go tell these stories to a PAO fan, not to me.

I don't give a shit what your corrupt friends at PAO or Porto do, just keep the lies AWAY from my club.  At Olympiakos we do not steal from Greek taxpayers like PAO and Porto, learn that when you dig up a toilet, you end up smelling of shit like has happened here today.  You had made up facts and suffered.

[T1n0_SLB]

Ok, keep with your big lie, Lease = ownership.

[T1n0_SLB]

What you are being doing here for months is what porto fans do at other teams foruns, wash theyr image.