Hellas futebol

[josantiago]

Portuguese fans speaking in english with each other

It stops being awkward after a couple of minutes.

And it didn't feel awkward after I mentioned it?

No. Not to me, at least.

Damn!

[Godescalco]

But you can't compare PAO vs Oly with Fener vs Gala.

Since 96 PAO won only 2 league.

And AEK was also stolen.

Indeed, the Turkish league has more parity. The Greek league is a walkover for Olympiacos most of the time.

Greece is a smaller and poorer country.

The fortunes of AEK and PAO (as well as Olympiaco's) are dependent on generous businessmen investing in the clubs. Once the cashflow ends, it's pretty much downhill.

[T1n0_SLB]

But you can't compare PAO vs Oly with Fener vs Gala.

Since 96 PAO won only 2 league.

And AEK was also stolen.

Indeed, the Turkish league has more parity. The Greek league is a walkover for Olympiacos most of the time.

Walkover now, with that fatguy mone and influence over the league, and state help with infrastuture.

[Festivus]

In fact, Juventus record is only 3 in a row.

It's 5 in a row actually. Juve, Toro and Inter have all won 5 in a row.

Really? I could have sworn that I've read somewhere that 3 Scudettos in a row was a record for Juventus. Checking it right now on the wikipedia it was back in the 30s. I don't think Juventus was linked to corruption back then.

There has always been corruption in Italian football, even back in the 30's, although the sport was purer in those days. It's unfair to constantly single Juventus out, IMO.

Yea, Juventus are no saints, but no one really is in Italy. I'm honestly surprised that they get the worst reputation in Italy when it comes to corruption, though. How are they more corrupt than AC Milan, Berlusconi's club? Surely a man who has been prime-minister of Italy like 3 times, owner of AC Milan and RAI network(don't quote me on this, I'm not 100% sure) could have corrupted with a lot more ease than Juventus that had different presidents/owners/chairmen in the last 20-30 years, right? Or was he too busy banging whores and drinking wine as PM of Italy?

Berlusconi was more into football in the 80's when he bought the club and the 90's. After his political career got in its tracks, he basically left the running of the football club to Galliani and Braida.

Moratti is also a very powerful oil tycoon. And we all know about the Agnelli family and FIAT. All of the big three have enough power to check each others out.

Oh right. I forgot that when Berlusconi acquired AC Milan he was only a businessman.

All I know is that Calciopoli looks kinda fishy. Even if the clubs involved were guilty of match fixing, it seems that they also got punished for things they weren't exactly guilty about. And no way I'm gonna believe that Inter is the only clean club in that country. Just no way.

[Godescalco]

Portuguese fans speaking in english with each other

We're just respecting the rules of the subforum, josantiago.

Get with the program!

[Godescalco]

But you can't compare PAO vs Oly with Fener vs Gala.

Since 96 PAO won only 2 league.

And AEK was also stolen.

Indeed, the Turkish league has more parity. The Greek league is a walkover for Olympiacos most of the time.

Walkover now, with that fatguy mone and influence over the league, and state help with infrastuture.

Tino is a PAO fan. We can tell.

[Festivus]

Portuguese fans speaking in english with each other

It stops being awkward after a couple of minutes.

And it didn't feel awkward after I mentioned it?

No. Not to me, at least.

Damn!

You should have posted a .gif instead, man.

But you can't compare PAO vs Oly with Fener vs Gala.

Since 96 PAO won only 2 league.

And AEK was also stolen.

Indeed, the Turkish league has more parity. The Greek league is a walkover for Olympiacos most of the time.

Greece is a smaller and poorer country.

The fortunes of AEK and PAO (as well as Olympiaco's) are dependent on generous businessmen investing in the clubs. Once the cashflow ends, it's pretty much downhill.

I wonder how long it will take until the bubble bursts here...

Even with the crisis, Portuguese clubs keep doing well in European competitions, especially the Europa League. Even Sporting and Braga have reached the latter stages of it in the past few years.

Maybe what's happening at Porto right now is a sign of things to come...

[Godescalco]

In fact, Juventus record is only 3 in a row.

It's 5 in a row actually. Juve, Toro and Inter have all won 5 in a row.

Really? I could have sworn that I've read somewhere that 3 Scudettos in a row was a record for Juventus. Checking it right now on the wikipedia it was back in the 30s. I don't think Juventus was linked to corruption back then.

There has always been corruption in Italian football, even back in the 30's, although the sport was purer in those days. It's unfair to constantly single Juventus out, IMO.

Yea, Juventus are no saints, but no one really is in Italy. I'm honestly surprised that they get the worst reputation in Italy when it comes to corruption, though. How are they more corrupt than AC Milan, Berlusconi's club? Surely a man who has been prime-minister of Italy like 3 times, owner of AC Milan and RAI network(don't quote me on this, I'm not 100% sure) could have corrupted with a lot more ease than Juventus that had different presidents/owners/chairmen in the last 20-30 years, right? Or was he too busy banging whores and drinking wine as PM of Italy?

Berlusconi was more into football in the 80's when he bought the club and the 90's. After his political career got in its tracks, he basically left the running of the football club to Galliani and Braida.

Moratti is also a very powerful oil tycoon. And we all know about the Agnelli family and FIAT. All of the big three have enough power to check each others out.

Oh right. I forgot that when Berlusconi acquired AC Milan he was only a businessman.

All I know is that Calciopoli looks kinda fishy. Even if the clubs involved were guilty of match fixing, it seems that they also got punished for things they weren't exactly guilty about. And no way I'm gonna believe that Inter is the only clean club in that country. Just no way.

As far as I can tell, Inter was also caught but the thing just prescribed.

As I said many times before, it's an endemic thing. Corruption is part of Italian life and culture. Sure, we can discuss who's more corrupt than the other, but it's a waste of time. I prefer just to enjoy the game from afar.

[Festivus]

In fact, Juventus record is only 3 in a row.

It's 5 in a row actually. Juve, Toro and Inter have all won 5 in a row.

Really? I could have sworn that I've read somewhere that 3 Scudettos in a row was a record for Juventus. Checking it right now on the wikipedia it was back in the 30s. I don't think Juventus was linked to corruption back then.

There has always been corruption in Italian football, even back in the 30's, although the sport was purer in those days. It's unfair to constantly single Juventus out, IMO.

Yea, Juventus are no saints, but no one really is in Italy. I'm honestly surprised that they get the worst reputation in Italy when it comes to corruption, though. How are they more corrupt than AC Milan, Berlusconi's club? Surely a man who has been prime-minister of Italy like 3 times, owner of AC Milan and RAI network(don't quote me on this, I'm not 100% sure) could have corrupted with a lot more ease than Juventus that had different presidents/owners/chairmen in the last 20-30 years, right? Or was he too busy banging whores and drinking wine as PM of Italy?

Berlusconi was more into football in the 80's when he bought the club and the 90's. After his political career got in its tracks, he basically left the running of the football club to Galliani and Braida.

Moratti is also a very powerful oil tycoon. And we all know about the Agnelli family and FIAT. All of the big three have enough power to check each others out.

Oh right. I forgot that when Berlusconi acquired AC Milan he was only a businessman.

All I know is that Calciopoli looks kinda fishy. Even if the clubs involved were guilty of match fixing, it seems that they also got punished for things they weren't exactly guilty about. And no way I'm gonna believe that Inter is the only clean club in that country. Just no way.

As far as I can tell, Inter was also caught but the thing just prescribed.

As I said many times before, it's an endemic thing. Corruption is part of Italian life and culture. Sure, we can discuss who's more corrupt than the other, but it's a waste of time. I prefer just to enjoy the game from afar.

All I know is that Calciopoli destroyed Italian football.

[Godescalco]

Maybe what's happening at Porto right now is a sign of things to come...

Unfortunately, nothing significant is happening with Porto right now. We just like to read things into the news. We just won one freaking championship, that's all. We can start speaking of "what's happening with Porto" once we nail 3 or 4 in a row.

[Festivus]

Maybe what's happening at Porto right now is a sign of things to come...

Unfortunately, nothing significant is happening with Porto right now. We just like to read things into what's happening. We just won one freaking championship, that's all. We can start speaking of "what's happening with Porto" once we nail 3 or 4 in a row.

I'm not partying just yet either. Next season is hard to predict. Who will we sell and sign? Will Jesus remain here? Will Porto sign some good players? Will Porto's new manager turn out to be good? Will Sporting go back to mediocrity? It's gonna be an interesting silly season...

[Godescalco]

All I know is that Calciopoli destroyed Italian football.

That's a bit dramatic.

Corruption itself damages and destroys Italian football from within. However, that's not likely to change. The match fixing scandal called Totonero in 1980, that got Milan and Lazio relegated to Serie B, also threatened to shake the very foundations of Italian football.

But they eventually recovered anyway and in a few years Juve and especially Milan were shining in Europe.

[Festivus]

All I know is that Calciopoli destroyed Italian football.

That's a bit dramatic.

Corruption itself damages and destroys Italian football from within. However, that's not likely to change. The match fixing scandal called Totonero in 1980, that got Milan and Lazio relegated to Serie B, also threatened to shake the very foundations of Italian football.

But they eventually recovered anyway and in a few years Juve and especially Milan were shining in Europe.

It will eventually recover, obviously. Who knows when, though.

[josantiago]

Portuguese fans speaking in english with each other

It stops being awkward after a couple of minutes.

And it didn't feel awkward after I mentioned it?

No. Not to me, at least.

Damn!

You should have posted a .gif instead, man.

No. I will put a video instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7phlHG78do

Portuguese fans speaking in english with each other

We're just respecting the rules of the subforum, josantiago.

Get with the program!

Never! I am rebel, I don't respect the rules!

[Godescalco]

All I know is that Calciopoli destroyed Italian football.

That's a bit dramatic.

Corruption itself damages and destroys Italian football from within. However, that's not likely to change. The match fixing scandal called Totonero in 1980, that got Milan and Lazio relegated to Serie B, also threatened to shake the very foundations of Italian football.

But they eventually recovered anyway and in a few years Juve and especially Milan were shining in Europe.

It will eventually recover, obviously. Who knows when, though.

By the end of the decade, I think they'll be on top again.