Hellas futebol

[Faliro]

I think the PAN.KI project is spectacular if I am honest. An urban emerald.. looks like it belongs in Tokyo or something. Most people who understand stadia were blown away by that proposal. The problem is, there is some land next to the stadium that needs demolishing and these are historical buildings that were erected for Greek refugees.

The property that needs to be demolished is on the left of this picture, the avenue on the right is Leoforos Alexandris:

[Vitor84]

I think the PAN.KI project is spectacular if I am honest. An urban emerald.. looks like it belongs in Tokyo or something. Most people who understand stadia were blown away by that proposal. The problem is, there is some land next to the stadium that needs demolishing and these are historical buildings that were erected for Greek refugees.

The property that needs to be demolished is on the left of this picture, the avenue on the right is Leoforos Alexandris:

I passed on that street. When I saw the stadium I was very surprised, seems like a stadium of a second division club not from a team like PAO.

[Faliro]

It is a disgrace. Looks like a youth skateboard park.

[fyure]

Seems like Estádio do Bonfim 

[fyure]

How many people this stadium supports ?

[Faliro]

16,000 - and as Vitor stated, the place is a tip.

But to I am sure the Vazelos in their minds,, think it looks like this.. 

[Faliro]

Seems like Estádio do Bonfim 

That stadium could easily be in Greece... ^^ 

We have many shit stadiums like this Greece... Here is Panserrakikos.




Personally, I get very embarrassed at the stadiums in Greece, especially the thought of players like Rivaldo, Giovanni, Galletti, Yaya Toure, Cisse, Karembeu etc signing for a Greek team and then realising they have to play football in a stadium like this:

[Vitor84]

Hey is Panserraikos stadium!!!
In that picture doesn't seem so bad as it is
But is normal Panserraikos is very small club, I think in this times they are not playing in any professional division. But have a club from a village close to Serres that is in second division, and wasn't in so bad position, that was playing on that stadium: Ethnikos Gazoros. I was there in some games and there was almost nobody whacthing the game.

[fyure]

16.000 ? PAO's stadium only supports 16.000 spectators ? Wtf ? The team from my small city plays in a stadium for 18.000 spectators... on the regional league ! Ok, it is true that the stadium is big for the team, and the last time it had a good attendance was beacause Benfica played there, but how can a club like PAO have a stadium of a small club ?


Stadiums in Portugal are not that great too. And we didn't learn anything with the Euro 2004. We spent a lot of money in stadiums that shouldn't exist, like Algarve Stadium and Aveiro stadium (even Leiria Stadium), and a lot of teams playing professionaly still have stadiums of the level of a regional league... Some clubs had a different point of view of the think, like Gil Vicente. Gil Vicente decide to go to a new stadium, with a small projection and small costs, but modern and designed to the size of the club. Some other clubs weren't that smart...

[Godescalco]

Isn't AEK getting a new one?

[Faliro]

AEK will have the finest stadium in the whole Balkan Peninsular. They are building it directly on where their original stadium was demolished. Works will hopefully start this summer. Here is the promotional video with English subtitles, when it is completed, no team will want to have to go there to get 3 points:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5WROims-k4

16.000 ? PAO's stadium only supports 16.000 spectators ? Wtf ? The team from my small city plays in a stadium for 18.000 spectators... on the regional league ! Ok, it is true that the stadium is big for the team, and the last time it had a good attendance was beacause Benfica played there, but how can a club like PAO have a stadium of a small club ?


Stadiums in Portugal are not that great too. And we didn't learn anything with the Euro 2004. We spent a lot of money in stadiums that shouldn't exist, like Algarve Stadium and Aveiro stadium (even Leiria Stadium), and a lot of teams playing professionaly still have stadiums of the level of a regional league... Some clubs had a different point of view of the think, like Gil Vicente. Gil Vicente decide to go to a new stadium, with a small projection and small costs, but modern and designed to the size of the club. Some other clubs weren't that smart...

The most amusing thing is PAO moved back there from the OAKA (71,000) because they could not afford the rent of the OAKA. They were not paying the electric bills - so towards the end, could only play games in the OAKA during the day..

The stadia problems in Greece are tragic.

[Red.Fever]

AEK will have the finest stadium in the whole Balkan Peninsular. They are building it directly on where their original stadium was demolished. Works will hopefully start this summer. Here is the promotional video with English subtitles, when it is completed, no team will want to have to go there to get 3 points:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5WROims-k4

really nice stadium
how many seats will that stadium have??
I skipped some parts just to see how it looks, so not sure if they said that on the video 

[Faliro]

The plot at Nea Filadefeia is very small and narrow. The maxiumum seats will be about 33,000 most probably.





How it was before demolition:

[Red.Fever]

The plot at Nea Filadefeia is very small and narrow. The maxiumum seats will be about 33,000 most probably.

ahh I see
not many seats for such a nice stadium, but 33k is not that bad

and the fact that it doesn't have such a big capacity will make it a little eaier on the away team, I'm sure Olympiacos will make some good results there

[Faliro]

Strangely, big stadium projects always get blocked in Greece, sometimes by leftist sabotage - sometimes by the fans themselves. Here are the 'big 3' failed projects:


The Votanikos project for PAO was never fully embraced by the Vazelos, so it died quite quietly. It was a beautiful project that work actually started. The architect was Manuel Salgado, capacity 42,000 and cost €80 million:



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When Nikolaidis  was president of AEK he proposed a 50,000 seater a mile away from Nea Fildaefeia in an area called Ano Liosia - the fans rejected the idea and repeated the slogan: Ghpedo mono stin NEA FILADELFEIA tr. 'Stadium only in Nea Filadelfeia. Interestingly, AEK seem to have no problem with their basketball arena being in Ano Liosia:



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Olympiakos started building a stadium in the 1960's at Rentis (downtown area 1 mile from piraeus) - which is now our training grounds. The stadium was 120,000 seats, but the construction was stopped during the Junta when it was only half built. Here is the model:




Here is what was left of the construction before Olympiakos built their training facilities there:



Here site the site today: