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Aris going for a new stadium is stellar, but Im afraid that, just like you've explained time and time again, the fans refuse to adopt it due to trivial thinking.

Salonika would now have 2 modern stadiums, counting with the one where Iraklis plays, right? (and a renovated Toumba)

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Aris going for a new stadium is stellar, but Im afraid that, just like you've explained time and time again, the fans refuse to adopt it due to trivial thinking.

It's a curious one. The new stadium, although not in the urban Salonika jungle, still seems close to the old one - 14 mins drive down the coast, maybe 10 mins with no traffic. I am not sure the Arianoi and Super 3 are married to Xarilaou the same way those idiot AEK fans are married to Nea Filadefeia. I don't think they will object too much although I could be wrong. I think a lot will depend on the design.

Salonika would now have 2 modern stadiums, counting with the one where Iraklis plays, right? (and a renovated Toumba)

Yes the Toumba will be torn down and rebuilt. The plot is bigger than the Besiktas plot but I suspect they will go smaller - perhaps 35k - enough to get ahead of Aris's new stadium.. So with the Nea Toumba and New Aris stadium - yes, two exceptional venues which will raise Salonika above most other cities in Europe. Iraklis play at the Kaftanzoglio Stadium. They want to move and build a new venue - around 15K. However they are broke, so that won't happen until they get their finances under control. The city, like Athens, has 3 big clubs that dominate. Apollon Kalamaria is like their Panionios..

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Aris going for a new stadium is stellar, but Im afraid that, just like you've explained time and time again, the fans refuse to adopt it due to trivial thinking.

It's a curious one. The new stadium, although not in the urban Salonika jungle, still seems close to the old one - 14 mins drive down the coast, maybe 10 mins with no traffic. I am not sure the Arianoi and Super 3 are married to Xarilaou the same way those idiot AEK fans are married to Nea Filadefeia. I don't think they will object too much although I could be wrong. I think a lot will depend on the design.

Salonika would now have 2 modern stadiums, counting with the one where Iraklis plays, right? (and a renovated Toumba)

Yes the Toumba will be torn down and rebuilt. The plot is bigger than the Besiktas plot but I suspect they will go smaller - perhaps 35k - enough to get ahead of Aris's new stadium.. So with the Nea Toumba and New Aris stadium - yes, two exceptional venues which will raise Salonika above most other cities in Europe. Iraklis play at the Kaftanzoglio Stadium. They want to move and build a new venue - around 15K. However they are broke, so that won't happen until they get their finances under control. The city, like Athens, has 3 big clubs that dominate. Apollon Kalamaria is like their Panionios..

Iraklis wants to build ANOTHER stadium!?

Insane stuff, not even Portugal would do that

Anyway, how's Iraklis these days? Future atleast looking bright with a return in few years times or nada?

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Aris going for a new stadium is stellar, but Im afraid that, just like you've explained time and time again, the fans refuse to adopt it due to trivial thinking.

It's a curious one. The new stadium, although not in the urban Salonika jungle, still seems close to the old one - 14 mins drive down the coast, maybe 10 mins with no traffic. I am not sure the Arianoi and Super 3 are married to Xarilaou the same way those idiot AEK fans are married to Nea Filadefeia. I don't think they will object too much although I could be wrong. I think a lot will depend on the design.

Salonika would now have 2 modern stadiums, counting with the one where Iraklis plays, right? (and a renovated Toumba)

Yes the Toumba will be torn down and rebuilt. The plot is bigger than the Besiktas plot but I suspect they will go smaller - perhaps 35k - enough to get ahead of Aris's new stadium.. So with the Nea Toumba and New Aris stadium - yes, two exceptional venues which will raise Salonika above most other cities in Europe. Iraklis play at the Kaftanzoglio Stadium. They want to move and build a new venue - around 15K. However they are broke, so that won't happen until they get their finances under control. The city, like Athens, has 3 big clubs that dominate. Apollon Kalamaria is like their Panionios..

Iraklis wants to build ANOTHER stadium!?

Insane stuff, not even Portugal would do that

Anyway, how's Iraklis these days? Future atleast looking bright with a return in few years times or nada?

Indeed, Iraklis don't like the Kaftanzoglio Stadium. It's too big for them and they don't like the track probably. Their few fans rattle around in there like 3 Tic Tacs in a box..  They have land at Mikra, where their training centre is. A while ago they even released a nice sexy Italian design for a stadium there.. then they went broke..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vT1_Il_6Okw

The other land they have is where their indoor centre is, near the Kaftanzoglio Stadium. They were checking a few years ago if it is worth building a stadium there.

I just googled Iraklis, the first pic that came up looked like their players were training in the ruins of an ancient temple.. 



They are still it seems a bit in the air but who knows, they are in SL2 again.. they been making signings. I think Aris and PAOK are light years ahead of them now. They need a very wealthy investor. Even then, they don't seem to have the fan base anymore. Aris have at least 300k fans. Iraklis.. maybe half that now?

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Seats going in.

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Seats going in.

Finally.

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Seats going in.

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Tell me about it amigo..  seems there are like 5 workers on site per day.. this has been one of the slowest builds in Greek history.

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Seats going in.

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Tell me about it amigo..  seems there are like 5 workers on site per day.. this has been one of the slowest builds in Greek history.

They build the structure very fast. But then, when was almost done, they almost stopped the construction. 😂

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Seats going in.

Finally.

Tell me about it amigo..  seems there are like 5 workers on site per day.. this has been one of the slowest builds in Greek history.

They build the structure very fast. But then, when was almost done, they almost stopped the construction. 😂

He was trying to save money.. Greeks build with concrete faster than anyone else. The entire project has been under staffed. Had it been built normally with a proper crew, it would have been finished last year. Truly weird. Also, not like any other similar major projects are currently underway near by either to tie up workers.. anyways,  1 down.. PAOK, PAO and Aris next..

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Seats going in.

Finally.

Tell me about it amigo..  seems there are like 5 workers on site per day.. this has been one of the slowest builds in Greek history.

They build the structure very fast. But then, when was almost done, they almost stopped the construction. 😂

He was trying to save money.. Greeks build with concrete faster than anyone else. The entire project has been under staffed. Had it been built normally with a proper crew, it would have been finished last year. Truly weird. Also, not like any other similar major projects are currently underway near by either to tie up workers.. anyways,  1 down.. PAOK, PAO and Aris next..

I hear every year about a new stadium for Panathinaikos...

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Seats going in.

Finally.

Tell me about it amigo..  seems there are like 5 workers on site per day.. this has been one of the slowest builds in Greek history.

They build the structure very fast. But then, when was almost done, they almost stopped the construction. 😂

He was trying to save money.. Greeks build with concrete faster than anyone else. The entire project has been under staffed. Had it been built normally with a proper crew, it would have been finished last year. Truly weird. Also, not like any other similar major projects are currently underway near by either to tie up workers.. anyways,  1 down.. PAOK, PAO and Aris next..

I hear every year about a new stadium for Panathinaikos...

Indeed. The longest failed project in history. Plans for Votanikos first emerged in 2006.. however, I think this one will happen because the banks have now comitted money and the mayor, Mitsotakis's nephew.. has put his reputation on it. Panathinaikos is still the establishment club of Greece, with historical political power - even though AEK and PAOK control the EPO.

It will be interesting to see who builds the next stadium. I suspect it will be PAO next. If PAOK start first it will humiliate PAO and vice versa. PAOK seem hesitatant despite obtaining planning this year and Aris need to design a stadium first. The PAO stadium can be built fast, faster than AEK.. large industrial plot.. already cleared, planning already granted and part of the project already constructed. And when it starts, I suspect there will be more than 3 workers on site per day. Athens, despite its problems, can rustle up money for construction fast. This is the revised external design for Votanikos , still Salgado's blueprint it seems, but with a reduced capacity to 35k:







After it is constructed, the Athens football landscape will be fairly impressive.

Oaka (for cup semi-finals & finals) 69,000
Votanikos 35,000
Karaiskaki 33,000
Agia Sofia 31,000

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Good start for Panathinaikos.

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Good start for Panathinaikos.

Very good and no surprise following their best transfer period in many years. They are looking for a European spot this season. They have intent and they blew away their opponent without needing Xatzigiovanni, Bouzoukis and Villafanez..  Alexandropoulos came on at half time and scored a wonder goal...


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uaf3VcNbLE

They still look shaky at the back however..


Today we see the relative strength of Olympiacos, PAOK and AEK at home..

BTW, Ionikos who play AEK today signed Dmytro Chygrynskiy!

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Good start for Panathinaikos.

Very good and no surprise following their best transfer period in many years. They are looking for a European spot this season. They have intent and they blew away their opponent without needing Xatzigiovanni, Bouzoukis and Villafanez..  Alexandropoulos came on at half time and scored a wonder goal...


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uaf3VcNbLE

They still look shaky at the back however..


Today we see the relative strength of Olympiacos, PAOK and AEK at home..

BTW, Ionikos who play AEK today signed Dmytro Chygrynskiy!

PAOK - awful.
Olympiakos - Bad.
AEK - Enough.

Panathinaikos have a solid base to build the future, but they are experts at destroying good things...

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Good start for Panathinaikos.

Very good and no surprise following their best transfer period in many years. They are looking for a European spot this season. They have intent and they blew away their opponent without needing Xatzigiovanni, Bouzoukis and Villafanez..  Alexandropoulos came on at half time and scored a wonder goal...


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uaf3VcNbLE

They still look shaky at the back however..


Today we see the relative strength of Olympiacos, PAOK and AEK at home..

BTW, Ionikos who play AEK today signed Dmytro Chygrynskiy!

PAOK - awful.
Olympiakos - Bad.
AEK - Enough.

Panathinaikos have a solid base to build the future, but they are experts at destroying good things...

Would agree with all of that, esp with PAOK. Some at PAOK are even saying Lucescu has come back to destroy PAOK..

Looking forward to Oly Antwerp on Thurs. Team not functioning well. Will be a battle.
PAO will most like fuck up.