Olympiacos Piraeus

[Faliro]

Reports are €15 million. If he held a Serb or Croat passport instead of Greek, that figure would be around €25 million. Benetia of Roma is €30 million...

As for the list of biggest Greek transfers, Samaris is up there, someone posted the list on the Samaris thread in your geral forum, let me find it...

1º Konstantinos Mitroglou: Olympiacos --> Fulham 15,20 M€
2º Nery Castillo: Olympiacos --> Shakhtar 15 M€
3º Zlatko Zahovic: Olympiacos --> Valencia 8 M€
4º Kevin Mirallas: Olympiacos --> Everton 7,65 M€
5º Djibril Cissé: Panathinaikos --> Lazio 5,80 M€
6º Yaya Touré: Olympiacos --> Monaco 5,50 M€
7º Vladimír Weiss: Olympiacos --> Lekhwiya 5,30 M€
8º Fernando Belluschi: Olympiacos --> Porto 5 M€
9º Ljubomir Fejsa: Olympiacos --> Benfica 4,50 M€
10º Ioannis Fetfatzidis: Olympiacos --> Genoa 4 M€

[fyure]

Reports are €15 million. If he held a Serb or Croat passport instead of Greek, that figure would be around €25 million. Benetia of Roma is €30 million...

As for the list of biggest Greek transfers, Samaris is up there, someone posted the list on the Samaris thread in your geral forum, let me find it...

1º Konstantinos Mitroglou: Olympiacos --> Fulham 15,20 M€
2º Nery Castillo: Olympiacos --> Shakhtar 15 M€
-- Andreas Samaris: Olypiacos --> Benfica 10 M€
3º Zlatko Zahovic: Olympiacos --> Valencia 8 M€
4º Kevin Mirallas: Olympiacos --> Everton 7,65 M€
5º Djibril Cissé: Panathinaikos --> Lazio 5,80 M€
6º Yaya Touré: Olympiacos --> Monaco 5,50 M€
7º Vladimír Weiss: Olympiacos --> Lekhwiya 5,30 M€
8º Fernando Belluschi: Olympiacos --> Porto 5 M€
9º Ljubomir Fejsa: Olympiacos --> Benfica 4,50 M€
10º Ioannis Fetfatzidis: Olympiacos --> Genoa 4 M€

Oh, great. I didn't notice that

So, listing only the greek players, Samaris is the second most expensive player to came from the greek league. Not including Manolas until it is official. That's something, I think. Actually, I don't think he is to expansive, some people say that on the television just to try to put pressure on the player, but luckily, he doesn't no about that and he will play a lot... At least I hope so.

[Faliro]

I actually think the price you paid is about right. I think the stigma is the Greek passport. If he was a Serb or Italian, no one would have questioned €10 million as much..

He came from Panionios. They are playing at the moment against Ergotelis - most the team of Panionios is under 24 and Greek, with many 20 year olds in key positions. Olympiakos has taken many many many players from that club. Panionios are a very historic club in Greece and take local youngsters with huge potential, and put them straight in the lineup - sure they lose a few games here and there while the players adapt to playing crazy african and south american players (Greek league is one of the gateways to Africa's  talent), but come the end of the season, they make millions on selling battle-hardened quality talented youth. They prove, you give talent time - not matter how young, you can get big results.

[iKatz]

Hope he will be good..

We've refused 25 M for our best mid Enzo Perez 

[fyure]

I actually think the price you paid is about right. I think the stigma is the Greek passport. If he was a Serb or Italian, no one would have questioned €10 million as much..

He came from Panionios. They are playing at the moment against Ergotelis - most the team of Panionios is under 24 and Greek, with many 20 year olds in key positions. Olympiakos has taken many many many players from that club. Panionios are a very historic club in Greece and take local youngsters with huge potential, and put them straight in the lineup - sure they lose a few games here and there while the players adapt to playing crazy african and south american players (Greek league is one of the gateways to Africa's  talent), but come the end of the season, they make millions on selling battle-hardened quality talented youth. They prove, you give talent time - not matter how young, you can get big results.

I totally agree with you. I thik that if Samaris was a Benfica player, no matter waht nationaly he holds, Benfica would't want to sell him for less than 20 M after the world cup. You can be sure about that. And probably we would try to make a new contract with him before the WC. The only case we totaly failed about that was with Garay...

Look, if Samaris makes a good season this year, in the next summer any interested team would have to pay a lot more than we've paid.

[Faliro]

Benfica is making money off its reputation and it is correct to do that. Would be unthinkable if they didn't. A player worth €10 million in Olympiakos is worth €20 million at your club.

Samaris was one of my favorite players simply because if he is playing, you know the attack is enhanced.

Olympiakos accepts this and has been at the forefront of changing this and improving what Greeks can get as you can see from the list posted. The problem is the Greek League. As that improves visually - prices for Greek players will rise.

The Greek league is interesting in itself. Games are not easy there. There are many Africans and South Americans playing quiet aggressively. The pace is usually quite slow. Interestingly, the crisis has been very beneficial to Greek players trying to establish themselves.

[nevers0ft]

Sorry to intrude...

But, Faliro which players do you think will be the next big transfers out from Greece?
Apart from Manolas which you have already explained...

[fyure]

I agree with you Faliro. The only thing I don't understand is how Olympiacos can sell lower that sporting lisbon... They are a truly peace of shit, but they can sell a player for more than 10 million. In that case, the league makes an impact, although I don't think that the portuguese league is so much bigger that the greek one. The fact is that the european resuts of the portuguese teams in recent years had a huge impact.

[Faliro]

Sorry to intrude...

But, Faliro which players do you think will be the next big transfers out from Greece?
Apart from Manolas which you have already explained...

It's a very good question and the answer depends not on the talent, but whether these players are allowed minutes to show their level. If these players are allowed to evolve, they will quickly be snatched up... sadly by Italian teams who will pass them round from team to team like whores.. just look at the career of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panagiotis_Tachtsidis

Some of the gifted players who are already better than 90% of the league are these, there are more, but I have to watch this season to see them (Panionios, Ergotelis always have quite a few):

Bouxalakis 21 OSFP
Diamantakos 21 OSFP
Vergos 18 OSFP
Bakesetas 21 Asteras
Kourbelis 20 Asteras
Kitsiou 20 PAOK
Koulouris 18 PAOK

The established players...

Siovas, Xolebas, Kasami, De Blassis could all probably get some € millions...

[Faliro]

I agree with you Faliro. The only thing I don't understand is how Olympiacos can sell lower that sporting lisbon... They are a trully peace shit, but they can sell a player for more than 10 million. In that case, the league makes an impact, although I don't think that the portuguese league is so much bigger that the greek one. The fact is that the european resuts of the portuguese teams in recent years had a huge impact.

Yes, not just your success in Europe, but also more importantly, how you are perceived. Portugal.. ones thinks of Eusabio, Christiano Ronaldo, Nani, Figo... selling big players to Chelsea, Man U, etc etc...

People think of Greece,, they think of Souvlaki, holidays, Georgios Samaras at Celtic dancing around the pitch...a 2004 victory that destroyed football and debt.

That is the key.  Olympiakos tries to destroy this image... PAO and PAOK encourage it..

[nevers0ft]

I really don't know much about greek football as you may imagine...
What comes to mind when i think of the greek league is that Olympiakos is the winner by default...

Well in the last football managers there was a really young player from Aris, i think, called Taxiarchis Fountas which i kinda liked... Last fm he was at Red Bull Salzburg youth team...

[Faliro]

Fountas (AEK youth), pronounced Foudas in Greek.. will probably be a high transfer. He played this evening for Panionios and is so young and already has played lots of football.. A really good player lost in a shit team is Gianniotas. Fortuna Dusseldorf I think.. Ninis is without a club also now, Parma terminated his contract.

Olympiakos are the only team that spends money on players. PAO and PAOK have worse squads than Levadiakos and Kalloni as the results in the weekend showed clearly.

[nevers0ft]

Is Ninis still worth a serious bet from a team like Benfica?
Or is he already a lost talent?

We have a few here in Portugal like that...

[Faliro]

Free transfer, superb player who has had a tough time over the years...still young.. worth it 100%. Whenever he played for Parma he looked their best player but the coach for whatever reason was not fond of him despite blocking his move to Betis.

Worst comes to the worst, play him 5 times and sell him for €5 million to another club..

[Festivus]

I agree with you Faliro. The only thing I don't understand is how Olympiacos can sell lower that sporting lisbon... They are a trully peace shit, but they can sell a player for more than 10 million. In that case, the league makes an impact, although I don't think that the portuguese league is so much bigger that the greek one. The fact is that the european resuts of the portuguese teams in recent years had a huge impact.

Yes, not just your success in Europe, but also more importantly, how you are perceived. Portugal.. ones thinks of Eusabio, Christiano Ronaldo, Nani, Figo... selling big players to Chelsea, Man U, etc etc...

People think of Greece,, they think of Souvlaki, holidays, Georgios Samaras at Celtic dancing around the pitch...a 2004 victory that destroyed football and debt.

That is the key.  Olympiakos tries to destroy this image... PAO and PAOK encourage it..

How did the Euro 2004 victory destroy football? Are you talking about the game as a whole or just in Greece?