Olympiacos Piraeus

[Fever]

That link is broken. I would like to see the banner.

I've read that the ban only applies to few sections of the stadium and that doesn't have much impact. I think your biggest concern should be the image of the club, it's sad this kind of double standard. I'm sure there are a lot of clubs which wouldn't be punished for a banner, if they had the right people in the right places, or if they were ever part of some G14 or ridiculous organizations like that.

[Faliro]

The part they want to close is where the Gate7 fans sit, it will be a huge advantage for Man U.

The banner, which appears to be an Olympiakos Ultras banner - probably misfits club, was quickly taken down first half when organizers spotted it. However probably for 5 minutes it was displayed - not on TV, but some Uefa officials probably saw it. It is a very old banner and there are many variations. Manchester United must have feared playing at the karaiskaki and asked UEFA for some help.

I think this was the one, but i am not sure..

http://s18.postimg.org/6h48z5sq1/atromitos20122.jpg

[Fever]

Hum. After some I search I guess it's because the position of the bones on that skull resemble some SS insignias.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_SS_Division_Totenkopf

It's something the club should pay attention to (though I guess the supporters have to much power for them to ban anything, right? Here our supporters groups aren't allowed to bring pratically anything on the stadium) but I stand by what I said, a powerful club inside UEFA would never get that ban.

[Faliro]

yea, it is unfortunate that is resembles the SS skull and cross bones. The logo has been used as long as I can remember as have many others.

The Greek clubs are all the same.

Uefa game - club is very careful with banners, no fireworks, no flares, no smoke bombs but megaphone allowed. Drums optional. They ''try'' and behave because they have received so many stadium bans over the years.

Greek league game - no banner restriction, no fireworks restrictions, no flare restriction, no smoke bombs restrictions, musical instruments allowed. Big games are crazy.

[Faliro]

Man U are favorites now,

Weiss sold 2 days ago.
Mitroglou sold today for €14 million.

[josantiago]

Man U are favorites now,

Weiss sold 2 days ago.
Mitroglou sold today for €14 million.

To whom was Mitroglou sold to?

[loftarasa]

Fulham

[Faliro]

And some how the most talented player, Manolas survives the transfer window.

[Red Eyes]

And some how the most talented player, Manolas survives the transfer window.

It isn't over yet...

[Person14slb]

You would have been eliminated even if you had Mitroglou and Weiss.

[Eddie_]

Man U are favorites now,

Weiss sold 2 days ago.
Mitroglou sold today for €14 million.

Good sale Mitroglou, or not really?
Its always good money, but a guy who scores goals is always a valuable member for any team...

I think Man U would always be favourites against Olympiacos. But being favourite doesn't win matches, that we all know.

[Godescalco]

How on earth did you sell Mitroglou just for €14 million?

Did Marinakis run out of money?

[Faliro]

Marinakis did not run out of money.. his wealth is considerable. He is simply a normal Greek - if the price is right, bye bye. Typical.

I was hugely disappointed Mitroglou was sold mid season. Roberto was bought with some of the proceeds and he will probably try and acquire Campbell on a contract too..

[Godescalco]

Disastrous sell.

You can't sell your best striker mid season. It shows Marinakis has no real ambition to suceed outside Greece, or at least, has no clue on how to do it.

[Faliro]

He wants the club to succeed but money is more important to him. Most Greeks will sell their own mother for €15 million, whether they are rich or not, doesnt make a difference.

Greeks in the ancient world were known for their art, religion, warfare and intellect. When the Turks conquered what was then the Byzantine Empire - Greeks with wealth or importance moved to Italy and became Italians. That is why to this day, one of the most common surnames in Italy is still Greco. When Mussolini took over Italy there were huge areas that still spoke Greek... The Greeks who stayed in the now 'Ottoman Empire' - most converted to Islam and became Turks- fiercely proud Turks... So that left just a few Greeks, about 3-4 million. These Greeks were very religious and refused to convert to Islam, that is why most Greek names you find to day are Christian or Byzantine. These Greeks had to change their culture... all the vineyards of Greece and Anatolia died as muslims don't drink, Greeks could no longer live as say Italians do... So Greeks became a race of merchants. Turks were not encouraged to have businesses and had to pray 5 times a day. Soldiers and doctors were good Ottoman professions, so Greeks filled the gaps. They became the fisherman, the traders, the bankers and businessmen of the Ottoman empire - even the politicians. To this day they still carry that trait even though since the fall the Ottoman empire in Greece they have replanted many of the vineyards, embraced sports and are more in touch with their pre-ottoman invasion roots than ever before.

Mitroglou should have never been sold mid season, but I am not surprised, just disappointed. We did not need the money...