Olympiacos Piraeus

[Faliro]

Another title.. 44 in total now - 7th in a row.

But is that already official? Because today I saw something saying that Olympiacos could be punished thanks to the conflicts between their fans and AEK fans.

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8m__mQ_uzU

[fechar]

There were no AEK fans at the game. Away fans are banned amongst the big 4 in all games except the Cup final. What happened was even more bizarre. ELAS - the Greek riot police, went into the stadium after the game and started beating everyone up. Olympiacos claimed it was reminiscent of the Junta.  PAOK think there might be an angle to take points away from Olympiacos for what happened.. I don't see how - but the aek/paok and pao media are pushing the story every day in the hope Olympiacos gets points deducted.

Here is the article:

OLYMPIACOS COULD FACE SIX POINT DEDUCTION

The Hellenic Football Federation's (EPO) Disciplinary Committee has officially called Olympiacos to a hearing regarding the widespread episodes that took place after the match against AEK in the Greek Cup semi-finals. If found guilty for the accusations, Olympiacos could face a SIX point deduction to be served in this year's Superleague standings.

EPO's Disciplinary Committee has appealed against Olympiacos under Article 29, concerning violence against officials, for the episodes against AEK in the Greek Cup semi-finals. The match observer stated in his official match report that during half time, the assistant observer was verbally attacked by members of Olympiacos and was pushed away during the incident. In addition, after the conclusion of the game the referees were also verbally attacked and needed a police escort to the locker rooms..

However, the report states only a few things of what actually happened and because of this, the observer has also been called to a hearing from EPO's Disciplinary Committee.

Olympiacos' hearing and accusations are of great significance, because if found guilty they could be deducted six points from this year's Superleague standings. This would turn the tables in the title race and put PAOK top of the table with 55 points (hold the head-to-head advantage over Olympiacos).

As a result, PAOK have requested to be present at Olympiacos' hearing which will start on Thursday at 4:00 PM local time. PAOK officials claim that they made their request within the time limit, so as a team with legal interest from the outcome of the accusations, they have every legal right to be present.

Sources mention that PAOK will ask to increase the number of witnesses for the case. However, sources from Olympiacos state that the club is not worried about the 6 point deduction as episodes of greater extent and significance have taken place in the past without this penalty being enforced.

Along with the possible deduction, Olympiacos could be handed a six-digit financial fine and a two match penalty without home fans. Relegation is also stated in the law, however this is reserved only for extreme cases.

[Faliro]

We got four games behind closed doors and 150,000 fine.

http://www.sport24.gr/football/ellada/epo/breaking-news-prostimo-kai-tesseris-agwnistikes-ston-olympiako.4640925.html

PAOK will be mad.. 

[Faliro]

Round up.

Both OSFP and PAOK will appeal the punishment today. PAOK to get us more in the shit - and OSFP to lower the punishment.

We play AEK in the 2nd leg of the Greek Cup Semi Final tomorrow at 17.00 GMT. AEK have sold around 45,000 tickets for the game I believe.

Remember Tsoukalas?



Someone tried to murder him today. The guy was smashing his head in with a hammer in the middle of the street.

http://gavros.gr/blog/podosfairo/apopeira-dolofonias-ston-taki-tsoykala

[Markar]

Faliro, how do greeks feel about the unbalance there is between Olympiakos and all the other clubs? 

[Covenant]

Hot game, Olympiakos won but wasn't enough.

[Faliro]

Faliro, how do greeks feel about the unbalance there is between Olympiakos and all the other clubs? 

Non Olympiacos fans of PAOK, PAO and AEK believe Olympiacos buy the refs each year... That is how they deal with the reality. Panionios, AEL, Asteras etc simply believe we have the best players and as a result.. PAO, PAOK and AEK believe we have bribed those clubs also..

However gap is now closing as Olympiacos spends less and less each year allowing AEK/PAOK and PAO a little sniff of hope. 

Hot game, Olympiakos won but wasn't enough.

Did you watch it? I though we could have won at the end.. and Vranjes should have seen a red - not a yellow for stamping on Marin.

The other semi final is taking place as I type this. PAO vs PAOK 1st leg ended 2-0.
Second leg is live now and Pelkas (remember him?) just scored a beautiful freekick on 15' to make it 1-0 (1-2 Agg).

[Markar]

Faliro, how do greeks feel about the unbalance there is between Olympiakos and all the other clubs? 

Non Olympiacos fans of PAOK, PAO and AEK believe Olympiacos buy the refs each year... That is how they deal with the reality. Panionios, AEL, Asteras etc simply believe we have the best players and as a result.. PAO, PAOK and AEK believe we have bribed those clubs also..

However gap is now closing as Olympiacos spends less and less each year allowing AEK/PAOK and PAO a little sniff of hope. 

Hot game, Olympiakos won but wasn't enough.

Did you watch it? I though we could have won at the end.. and Vranjes should have seen a red - not a yellow for stamping on Marin.

The other semi final is taking place as I type this. PAO vs PAOK 1st leg ended 2-0.
Second leg is live now and Pelkas (remember him?) just scored a beautiful freekick on 15' to make it 1-0 (1-2 Agg).

Why are they cutting spending?

Financial difficulties?

[Faliro]

Faliro, how do greeks feel about the unbalance there is between Olympiakos and all the other clubs? 

Non Olympiacos fans of PAOK, PAO and AEK believe Olympiacos buy the refs each year... That is how they deal with the reality. Panionios, AEL, Asteras etc simply believe we have the best players and as a result.. PAO, PAOK and AEK believe we have bribed those clubs also..

However gap is now closing as Olympiacos spends less and less each year allowing AEK/PAOK and PAO a little sniff of hope. 

Hot game, Olympiakos won but wasn't enough.

Did you watch it? I though we could have won at the end.. and Vranjes should have seen a red - not a yellow for stamping on Marin.

The other semi final is taking place as I type this. PAO vs PAOK 1st leg ended 2-0.
Second leg is live now and Pelkas (remember him?) just scored a beautiful freekick on 15' to make it 1-0 (1-2 Agg).

Why are they cutting spending?

Financial difficulties?

No, we are making millions each year in transfers. Making a fortune. The club however is not of the thinking that it should buy the type of players we had before that were expensive but could put on a  nice show in Europe. The club now believes it only has to buy players good enough to win the league - that is why we are full of types like Seba, Figueiras, Martins, Botia, Da Costa and plenty of youth players.

However, this season left a bad impression on many fans and it is believed Marinakis will vastly improve the team starting from now. The hard part is not money - it is convincing good players to play in Greece.. both good managers and good players are increasingly refusing to work in Greece - no matter what they are offered. The league has a poor image - violence, disorganisation and poor quality players and stadia. An example of this is we used to have the current coach of Sevilla - Michel and the current coach of Bilbao - Valverde (perhaps the next Barca coach) at Olympiacos. Now we can't even get Remi Garde to coach our team.. and no one even wants him at Olympiacos anyway..

((Leo Matos scores for PAOK - now 2-2 on Agg - game on a knife edge.))

[Markar]

Faliro, how do greeks feel about the unbalance there is between Olympiakos and all the other clubs? 

Non Olympiacos fans of PAOK, PAO and AEK believe Olympiacos buy the refs each year... That is how they deal with the reality. Panionios, AEL, Asteras etc simply believe we have the best players and as a result.. PAO, PAOK and AEK believe we have bribed those clubs also..

However gap is now closing as Olympiacos spends less and less each year allowing AEK/PAOK and PAO a little sniff of hope. 

Hot game, Olympiakos won but wasn't enough.

Did you watch it? I though we could have won at the end.. and Vranjes should have seen a red - not a yellow for stamping on Marin.

The other semi final is taking place as I type this. PAO vs PAOK 1st leg ended 2-0.
Second leg is live now and Pelkas (remember him?) just scored a beautiful freekick on 15' to make it 1-0 (1-2 Agg).

Why are they cutting spending?

Financial difficulties?

No, we are making millions each year in transfers. Making a fortune. The club however is not of the thinking that it should buy the type of players we had before that were expensive but could put on a  nice show in Europe. The club now believes it only has to buy players good enough to win the league - that is why we are full of types like Seba, Figueiras, Martins, Botia, Da Costa and plenty of youth players.

However, this season left a bad impression on many fans and it is believed Marinakis will vastly improve the team starting from now. The hard part is not money - it is convincing good players to play in Greece.. both good managers and good players are increasingly refusing to work in Greece - no matter what they are offered. The league has a poor image - violence, disorganisation and poor quality players and stadia. An example of this is we used to have the current coach of Sevilla - Michel and the current coach of Bilbao - Valverde (perhaps the next Barca coach) at Olympiacos. Now we can't even get Remi Garde to coach our team.. and no one even wants him at Olympiacos anyway..

((Leo Matos scores for PAOK - now 2-2 on Agg - game on a knife edge.))

Yes, I remember Olympiakos being a strongside in the champions league some years ago. Then they disappeared.


The problem of the Greek league is that it's 100% predictable. We already know who's going to win the title at the beginning of the season. Therefore, for most players but specially managers, it brings no value to their careers to win the greek title. Only a piece of shit like Paulo Bento to be sacked at Olympiakos in the middle of the season because of bad results. Olympiakos needs to understand that to be strong in Europe they need to have a better league. And that means having the other clubs winning some titles too.


By the way, is there any site where I can download/see the financial reports of greek clubs? Doesn't matter if they are in greek. I'll work my way around that 

[Covenant]

The current coach of Málaga, not Sevilla.

[Faliro]

^^ Indeed, I meant to write 'former' coach of Sevilla.

Faliro, how do greeks feel about the unbalance there is between Olympiakos and all the other clubs? 

Non Olympiacos fans of PAOK, PAO and AEK believe Olympiacos buy the refs each year... That is how they deal with the reality. Panionios, AEL, Asteras etc simply believe we have the best players and as a result.. PAO, PAOK and AEK believe we have bribed those clubs also..

However gap is now closing as Olympiacos spends less and less each year allowing AEK/PAOK and PAO a little sniff of hope. 

Hot game, Olympiakos won but wasn't enough.

Did you watch it? I though we could have won at the end.. and Vranjes should have seen a red - not a yellow for stamping on Marin.

The other semi final is taking place as I type this. PAO vs PAOK 1st leg ended 2-0.
Second leg is live now and Pelkas (remember him?) just scored a beautiful freekick on 15' to make it 1-0 (1-2 Agg).

Why are they cutting spending?

Financial difficulties?

No, we are making millions each year in transfers. Making a fortune. The club however is not of the thinking that it should buy the type of players we had before that were expensive but could put on a  nice show in Europe. The club now believes it only has to buy players good enough to win the league - that is why we are full of types like Seba, Figueiras, Martins, Botia, Da Costa and plenty of youth players.

However, this season left a bad impression on many fans and it is believed Marinakis will vastly improve the team starting from now. The hard part is not money - it is convincing good players to play in Greece.. both good managers and good players are increasingly refusing to work in Greece - no matter what they are offered. The league has a poor image - violence, disorganisation and poor quality players and stadia. An example of this is we used to have the current coach of Sevilla - Michel and the current coach of Bilbao - Valverde (perhaps the next Barca coach) at Olympiacos. Now we can't even get Remi Garde to coach our team.. and no one even wants him at Olympiacos anyway..

((Leo Matos scores for PAOK - now 2-2 on Agg - game on a knife edge.))

Yes, I remember Olympiakos being a strongside in the champions league some years ago. Then they disappeared.


The problem of the Greek league is that it's 100% predictable. We already know who's going to win the title at the beginning of the season. Therefore, for most players but specially managers, it brings no value to their careers to win the greek title. Only a piece of shit like Paulo Bento to be sacked at Olympiakos in the middle of the season because of bad results. Olympiakos needs to understand that to be strong in Europe they need to have a better league. And that means having the other clubs winning some titles too.


By the way, is there any site where I can download/see the financial reports of greek clubs? Doesn't matter if they are in greek. I'll work my way around that 

You said: Olympiakos needs to understand that to be strong in Europe they need to have a better league.


So what do you suggest Olympiacos does to make the league more competitive? We have the best youth set up in the entire Balkans, we have the best stadium in Greece, the best training facilities and the most expensive players in the league. What more can we do?

As for the financial reports, do you mean budgets? Transfermarket can give a rough idea of those - the budgets are far less than Portugal for example. Every now and again there is an article published in one of the Greek sports sites that says how much has been spent on players over periods. It is very rare to find actual running costs for example.

[Godescalco]

You need to organize a Balkan league.

Clubs from Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Romania, Moldova, Albania, Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Solvenia.

I'd pay to watch such a league.

[Faliro]

You need to organize a Balkan league.

Clubs from Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Romania, Moldova, Albania, Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Solvenia.

I'd pay to watch such a league.

It is a good point actually.

This used to happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans_Cup

Having said that, if it was reinstated - I doubt Greece or Bulgaria would want to include Macedonia - whose parliament was stormed this week (even though msm ignored the events to a large extent). Also I see plenty of empty stadia for security reasons with anything that involves Serbian teams vs Albanians ones.

[Godescalco]

You need to organize a Balkan league.

Clubs from Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Romania, Moldova, Albania, Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Solvenia.

I'd pay to watch such a league.

It is a good point actually.

This used to happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans_Cup

Having said that, if it was reinstated - I doubt Greece or Bulgaria would want to include Macedonia - whose parliament was stormed this week (even though msm ignored the events to a large extent). Also I see plenty of empty stadia for security reasons with anything that involves Serbian teams vs Albanians ones.

There would be many challenges. Political, social, economical, etc.

But it would be a massive competition if one succeeded in organizing it properly and attracting investors. It would be a boost for local football and the whole region.

[Faliro]

You need to organize a Balkan league.

Clubs from Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Romania, Moldova, Albania, Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Solvenia.

I'd pay to watch such a league.

It is a good point actually.

This used to happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans_Cup

Having said that, if it was reinstated - I doubt Greece or Bulgaria would want to include Macedonia - whose parliament was stormed this week (even though msm ignored the events to a large extent). Also I see plenty of empty stadia for security reasons with anything that involves Serbian teams vs Albanians ones.

There would be many challenges. Political, social, economical, etc.

But it would be a massive competition if one succeeded in organizing it properly and attracting investors. It would be a boost for local football and the whole region.

Indeed. The best format I can think of off the top of my head would be a Balkan CL for the summer. Winner of each league in a short summer friendly tournament. This would just be to stir interest and see how much interest there would be.