Portuguese culture

Faliro · 03 de Fevereiro de 2015, 23:36

Citação de: H em 03 de Fevereiro de 2015, 22:28
Thanks you very much Faliro! I certainly owe you a giant one. This is something I really been wanting to do for a long while, I'll start studying the subject and everything around it, it's something I must do for the sake of my mind. Σας ευχαριστώ , αδελφέ μου!

Παρακαλώ φίλε μου.

Vitor84 · 03 de Fevereiro de 2015, 23:41

But anyway, Month Athos is not a tourist place. Just make sense to go there who really believe in god and specially who is orthodox. It is in a magnificent place and there is a lot of beautiful monasteries but it is a orthodox territory and continue with the same purpose as the original. So I respect that, and nobody can criticize that or think that must be as we want.
And in Greece there are a lot of tourist places to go, also monasteries (Meteora for example).

Faliro · 03 de Fevereiro de 2015, 23:41

Citação de: Vitor84 em 03 de Fevereiro de 2015, 23:26
I was there last year. And I didn't like it at all...
Ok, it was a travel when everything went wrong, and very bad planned. But the people there were very unfriendly, maybe I wasn't lucky in the monasteries that I choose but also in the boat, in the port and in all the way. And you can see a very very conservative church, the monks are stacked on the time. If you are not of the same religion (in my case I'm agnostic but I said that I was catholic to don't be so bad, but my friend that went with me is egyptian orthodox (as he said to me his religion is very similar to the orthodox, he went many times to the greek church cerimonies in the city where we were) but they didn't allowed us to see the church on the monastery and we where completely separate on our room in the monastery like in a prison.
About costs also was bad for me, because the boats were expensive, we need to pay that 30 euros for the permit (and we didn't know that) and all buses that we took since the city where we lived until Ouronopoulis (and we needed to sleep there one night, because we lost one bus and after 13h d more boats to the monasteries)... In general everything went wrong on that travel.

Sounds like a tough journey... I remember 5 years ago, I went to the local Greek church to show my partner the place.. I am not religious.

An old woman wearing black came up to me and started insulting me viciously. It turns out I was sitting like this:

Which is not allowed in her view. One should always sit in church with the legs uncrossed. I looked at her like she was retarded and gestured to her to get the fuck away from me or else..

Was very unpleasant....

Vitor84 · 03 de Fevereiro de 2015, 23:50

Citação de: Faliro em 03 de Fevereiro de 2015, 23:41
Citação de: Vitor84 em 03 de Fevereiro de 2015, 23:26
I was there last year. And I didn't like it at all...
Ok, it was a travel when everything went wrong, and very bad planned. But the people there were very unfriendly, maybe I wasn't lucky in the monasteries that I choose but also in the boat, in the port and in all the way. And you can see a very very conservative church, the monks are stacked on the time. If you are not of the same religion (in my case I'm agnostic but I said that I was catholic to don't be so bad, but my friend that went with me is egyptian orthodox (as he said to me his religion is very similar to the orthodox, he went many times to the greek church cerimonies in the city where we were) but they didn't allowed us to see the church on the monastery and we where completely separate on our room in the monastery like in a prison.
About costs also was bad for me, because the boats were expensive, we need to pay that 30 euros for the permit (and we didn't know that) and all buses that we took since the city where we lived until Ouronopoulis (and we needed to sleep there one night, because we lost one bus and after 13h d more boats to the monasteries)... In general everything went wrong on that travel.

Sounds like a tough journey... I remember 5 years ago, I went to the local Greek church to show my partner the place.. I am not religious.

An old woman wearing black came up to me and started insulting me viciously. It turns out I was sitting like this:

Which is not allowed in her view. One should always sit in church with the legs uncrossed. I looked at her like she was retarded and gestured to her to get the fuck away from me or else..

Was very unpleasant....

I can imagine...
In my opinion the biggest differences between Greece and Portugal are related to the religion, in the rest we are very similar. The majority of greeks steel take the religion to serious and the church seems more conservative and have more power over the state.

Faliro · 03 de Fevereiro de 2015, 23:57

True, but I also find many Greeks naturally retarded and anti-social.. You should visit the Greek embassy in London. They are so exceptionally vicious and repulsive - to Greeks and foreigners, I guarantee you would happily rent a cell in Athos for two years not to have to go there again.. I know Greeks who refuse to go anywhere near the building they are so appalled.

When you meet a cool Greek, they are usually exceptional. Friendly, funny, deeply generous - insane. A pleasure to be around. However I would say around 60-70 percent of Greeks are unfriendly and aggressive. They are also not the smartest and get confused easily. Whenever I am in Greece I have to use lots of charm - a big smile and lots of good vibes - just to get the guy to get off his arse and get me the coffee I just ordered... I have had to deal with Greeks in embassies, airports.... even buying ferry tickets can be a mission.* You can see why the Turks didn't wipe them out - the Turks couldn't stand them most probably either.. just didn't want to get involved with them unless it was to kill them or convert them to Islam.. Greeks are tough as shit, but very charmless. Pretty much like most Italians south of Rome imo..

BTW the new Greek Government is almost completely hardcore atheist and it is a breath of fresh air. Tsipras is the first ever PM to refuse a blessing from the priest in his acceptance ceremony.

NB* I have enough Greek to order a ferry ticket... so I went in this ferry kiosk to get two tickets. You have to give your name... I give my first name. She asks for a second name (my second name is Catalan). I tell her the name. She does not understand it and looks at me like I am a spy that just revealed his secret mission. She simply can't comprehend that I can speak greek but am not Greek or Albanian and have a name she can't comprehend. Everything shut down. I calmly wrote my name on a piece of paper and with a big smile gave her the paper. She looked at me highly suspicious. Finally she got bored and gave the ticket like she was doing me a favour, with my name spelled wrong. I got on the ferry and got the fuck out of there.

Aka · 04 de Fevereiro de 2015, 00:46

H · 04 de Fevereiro de 2015, 00:55

Looks like you planned it badly, Vitor84. And maybe you had expectations that weren't met?

In my case, I don't see why I wouldn't like. I love silence, I have no problem with it and I love just absorbing the spirit of Nature silently. Luckily I live next to the woods and next to the sea, which has allowed me to spend some time alone on both places, without rushing and without having to pay for it. This has profoundly shaped my personality and I believe that if I can have that, but on a deeper scale, where I don't have a schedule to return to civilization and without witnessing civilization itself next to it, I could hardly get disappointed.

I honestly think the world is sick, I've said it many times and I don't identify myself with lots of stuff that surrounds me constantly and that I can't get rid off, mostly because I depend on it because I live constantly through it. I need to unshackle myself from mundane concerns and not to worry about time.

That is definitely my life goal: To defeat Time itself. Some people want to get famous, others want to get rich, others want to raise a family, or become doctors, or become philosophers, or DJs. All of that is praiseworthy (except getting famous, I don't get at all the relevance of that) but to me, my only dream is to be able to defeat Time and live without concerning about it, as close to Nature as possible.

Thoreau said this on his book Walden:

CitaçãoIf we do not get out sleepers and forge rails, and devote days and nights to the work, but go to tinkering upon our lives to improve them, who will build railroads? And if railroads are not built, how shall we get to heaven in season? But if we stay at home and mind our business, who will want railroads? We do not ride on the railroad; it rides upon us.

Faliro · 04 de Fevereiro de 2015, 01:30

Hahaha, lets have a coffee file.

Lycaon · 04 de Fevereiro de 2015, 13:59

Faliro, you really should write a book about your disdain for greeks.

I would absolutely buy it.

Something like this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2755244/Unrestrained-wild-beasts-eat-food-greasy-needs-detergent-Portuguese-academic-s-best-selling-book-living-England.html

Faliro · 04 de Fevereiro de 2015, 16:11

I think I could easily fill a book.

It is a country you want to be perfect, to have everything.. but it can't quite get there.
Plus the girls are very difficult.. and past 20 years old, they see to become men anyway..

Jotenko · 29 de Abril de 2015, 11:33

Joao Magueijo, 47, is a physics professor at Imperial College London
His book, Bifes Mal Passados, has sold more than 20,000 copies in Portugal
In it, he calls England 'one of the most rotten societies in the world'
He describes Blackpool beach as a good place to spot 'human whales'
And calls the English 'a group of animals' who are 'pathologically violent'
But on the plus side, he loves the 'tolerance, creativity and madness' here

Faliro · 29 de Abril de 2015, 13:18

Sounds like an honest guy.

However much of the tolerance here is simply through fear of being charged with racism or far left idealism. The UK is full to the brim with racists, most are quiet unless drunk however..

Having said this, there is still plenty of discrimination.

Festivus · 29 de Abril de 2015, 13:31

Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Abril de 2015, 13:18
Sounds like an honest guy.

However much of the tolerance here is simply through fear of being charged with racism or far left idealism. The UK is full to the brim with racists, most are quiet unless drunk however..

Having said this, there is still plenty of discrimination.

I find it funny that the English and the Americans think they're more progressive and less racist than southern Europeans. What else did I expect from two of the biggest examples of nationalities that live inside their own bubble?

Faliro · 29 de Abril de 2015, 13:35

I would say the English are exceptionally racist. Certain nationalities are associated with arts and culture and usually get respect - like Italians. Russians are disliked but feared. Greeks are just disliked. French are openly mocked. Germans are quite admired.

No one ever says anything about Blacks, Asians etc because the police will get involved. Racism is only accepted if it is against lighter skinned peoples.

Festivus · 29 de Abril de 2015, 13:39

Citação de: Faliro em 29 de Abril de 2015, 13:35
I would say the English are exceptionally racist. Certain nationalities are associated with arts and culture and usually get respect - like Italians. Russians are disliked but feared. Greeks are just disliked. French are openly mocked. Germans are quite admired.

No one ever says anything about Blacks, Asians etc because the police will get involved. Racism is only accepted if it is against lighter skinned peoples.

The English are pretty patriotic and nationalistic. That doesn't make someone racist by default by any means, but a party like the BNP is big there while there's no big party like that in Portugal, per example. So there goes their theory about being "one of the most tolerant places in Europe".

And yes, it's retarded to charge someone just because they made racist remarks on Twitter or somewhere like that.

Portugal has a lot of issues, but I'm glad the far-leftist PC lobby isn't that big here in comparison to many richer countries.

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