Portuguese culture

[Faliro]

Well the BNP is finished in the UK. The type of racism I am talking about is ingrained in UK culture.

For example, the word 'Greek' in many old English dictionaries had a second definition as a person of dubious or untrustworthy character.

I am born and raised here. I am native. However, many times I have been told I am foreigner because of the colour of my hair  despite the fact that I have English decent. So that pushed me away - it was not particularly poor or rich people who like to play that game  - it transcends income. It is a national pass time. However Pakistanis or blacks would never get that treatment because of the fear of the police and racism laws.

As I said in the UK, many believe the place is the best country on earth, many don't. I don't associate that with nationalism. Also I have no problem with nationalism which I actually is healthy. What I dislike is how the UK decides what races can be attacked in public and which can't. Many stand up comedians make whole routines out of this bizarre practice of which races/peoples it is allowed to attack on TV.

[Theroux]

I don't think he's saying they're not racist but that they like eccentric, controversial people. That's a very british thing, I think.

Sejam da classe alta ou operários, os britânicos mantêm sempre um certo ar de superioridade em relação a todos quantos não tenham verdadeira origem e educação nas ilhas britânicas.

[Faliro]

I don't think he's saying they're not racist but that they like eccentric, controversial people. That's a very british thing, I think.

Sejam da classe alta ou operários, os britânicos mantêm sempre um certo ar de superioridade em relação a todos quantos não tenham verdadeira origem e educação nas ilhas britânicas.

Exactly this.

[Theroux]

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[Lycaon]

It's very unfair to judge how racist a society is through the size of the racist parties in their system.

England, Germany, France, Scandinavia, all have strong nationalist parties or at least from a very radical right because they have to deal with migration in a way that southern countries can't even begin to imagine.

[Theroux]

It's very unfair to judge how racist a society is through the size of the racist parties in their system.

England, Germany, France, Scandinavia, all have strong nationalist parties or at least from a very radical right because they have to deal with migration in a way that southern countries can't even begin to imagine.

Portugal has pretty much the same number of immigrants as Scandinavia.

[Lycaon]

Even if it's true, having 100,000 brazilians in Portugal or 100,000 iraqis in Sweden has obviously very different impacts on society.

We've barely had to deal with any religious and cultural diversity in recent years.

[Theroux]

Even the brazilian community has been the victim of racism, but that doesn't make it less true that far right parties have residual support in Portugal, compared to massive support in other countries, even at the height of the immigration influx of bangladeshis, ukranians, brazilians etc.

We prefer to save our institutionalized racism for those that have been living here for decades, like the gypsies and africans (which are in fact portuguese).

[Festivus]

It's very unfair to judge how racist a society is through the size of the racist parties in their system.

England, Germany, France, Scandinavia, all have strong nationalist parties or at least from a very radical right because they have to deal with migration in a way that southern countries can't even begin to imagine.

Well it might not have been the best way to measure racism in a country, but  it seems like some of those countries seem to have a problem with racism and also extreme political correctness. Of course one has to factor that the media blows everything out of proportion but rarely do I see the Portuguese media diving deep into such matters. Although we have much less immigrants than England and France. And Sweden attracts a higher variety of them.

Even the brazilian community has been the victim of racism, but that doesn't make it less true that far right parties have residual support in Portugal, compared to massive support in other countries, even at the height of the immigration influx of bangladeshis, ukranians, brazilians etc.

We prefer to save our institutionalized racism for those that have been living here for decades, like the gypsies and africans (which are in fact portuguese).

We don't have people from the Middle East here, though. There's a very low amount of Muslim in our country and they don't come from the most extreme and backwards countries and societies.

Everyone discriminates against gypsies, and I'd say they have it worse in some eastern European countries and Romania than here. And to be honest, Gypsies are kinda to blame for to some degree as well. 

[Theroux]

And they have it much better in Spain, por example.

What fault do the children have of being born gypsies? They're sentenced to a much harder life than the average portuguese since the day they're born, and that's the definition of racism.

[Festivus]

And they have it much better in Spain, por example.

What fault do the children have of being born gypsies? They're sentenced to a much harder life than the average portuguese since the day they're born, and that's the definition of racism.

They don't have the fault of being born gypsies. The gypsy "culture" needs to change. The government has tried to assimilate them in society but it hasn't worked. What alternatives do you suggest?

[Theroux]

And they have it much better in Spain, por example.

What fault do the children have of being born gypsies? They're sentenced to a much harder life than the average portuguese since the day they're born, and that's the definition of racism.

They don't have the fault of being born gypsies. The gypsy "culture" needs to change. The government has tried to assimilate them in society but it hasn't worked. What alternatives do you suggest?

Try harder. The spanish did it, why can't we?

In Portugal it's mandatory that kids attend school for 12 years. Enforce it.

They happen to be gypsies but they could easily be portuguese.

[Festivus]

And they have it much better in Spain, por example.

What fault do the children have of being born gypsies? They're sentenced to a much harder life than the average portuguese since the day they're born, and that's the definition of racism.

They don't have the fault of being born gypsies. The gypsy "culture" needs to change. The government has tried to assimilate them in society but it hasn't worked. What alternatives do you suggest?

Try harder. The spanish did it, why can't we?

In Portugal it's mandatory that kids attend school for 12 years. Enforce it.

They happen to be gypsies but they could easily be portuguese.

They probably don't enforce it because gypsies aren't very willing to cooperate. After all, everyone who has had gypsy classmates form 5th to 9th grade will probably tell you stories about 16-17 year olds still being in 8th grade and stealing other kids' lunch money. So I don't see how forcing gypsies to attend school for 3 more school years is gonna change anything by default.

I'll say it again. The problem is the gypsy "culture" who doesn't seem to value education. Of course it would also help matters if they didn't put people who used to live in the slums all in the same bairro social. But that doesn't only apply to the gypsies but to everyone: white, black, green, wtv.

[Theroux]

To break the cycle of illiteracy and criminality kids need a way out, and that's a proper education and decent living conditions. If they can't do it by themselves then the state comes in and makes it happen.

To stand by is the definition of institutionalized racism, because it means some people are more worthy or assistance than others.

[Aka]

Hey...

Nanchara nanchara

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Who needs that shitty little Henri Delaunay Trophy?