Hellas futebol

[StellaRojas]

Bulgaria, Greece, Romania and Serbia applying to host EC 2028 and WC 2030.

[StellaRojas]

Faliro, how do you and Greeks in general feel about USA? I notice USA has done some intervention in Greece in the 20th century. How do Greeks feel about that in general?

Well there are millions of American Greeks. They of course love America.

Then you have Greeks from Greece.. About half of those are leftists.. They despise America. They believe (perhaps correctly) that the USA supported the Greek Junta. They hate capitalism/commercialisation and see the US as the spearhead of this.  The other half.. the capitalist Greeks don't mind the US and let US culture envelope them - perhaps more so than any European nation besides the UK.

Personally I like America. I like people who love their country. When I visited the US - people were good to me. I like what the US stands for. Would like to see Greece have a leader like Trump/Bolsonaro - just to see the left explode.

Enjoy a typical Greek advert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispFPEY3n4Q

I guess Greece is lucky not to stand in the way of American geopolitical interests right now. Ask Serbs about the USA as a no.1 invader, self-proclaimed world policeman and no.1 war-mongerer, supposedly on a war against terrorism at home but supporting it elsewhere and turning countries into piles of dust.

[Faliro]

Faliro, how do you and Greeks in general feel about USA? I notice USA has done some intervention in Greece in the 20th century. How do Greeks feel about that in general?

Well there are millions of American Greeks. They of course love America.

Then you have Greeks from Greece.. About half of those are leftists.. They despise America. They believe (perhaps correctly) that the USA supported the Greek Junta. They hate capitalism/commercialisation and see the US as the spearhead of this.  The other half.. the capitalist Greeks don't mind the US and let US culture envelope them - perhaps more so than any European nation besides the UK.

Personally I like America. I like people who love their country. When I visited the US - people were good to me. I like what the US stands for. Would like to see Greece have a leader like Trump/Bolsonaro - just to see the left explode.

Enjoy a typical Greek advert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispFPEY3n4Q

I guess Greece is lucky not to stand in the way of American geopolitical interests right now. Ask Serbs about the USA as a no.1 invader, self-proclaimed world policeman and no.1 war-mongerer, supposedly on a war against terrorism at home but supporting it elsewhere and turning countries into piles of dust.

Well the US and UK decided half of Cyprus would be Turkish and it happened. The US decided ancient Serbian lands would also be Sunni owned and it was done.. What do the Greeks and Serbs do? The Greeks elect a communist called Tsipras who goes to Turkey to get honorary degrees from meaningless Turkish universities and builds a mega mosque in downtown Athens. The former 'conservative' New Democracy foreign minister states Islam is a beautiful religion for women especially..    The Serbian minister sings Turkish songs to Erdogan in what can only be seen as an attempt to seduce him.. Greek mainstream TV has wall to wall Sunni Turkish soap operas - in Turkish! Why should the US support Greece or Serbia when the people's themselves elect Ottoman appeasers and clearly don't respect their own ancient cultures? Every time a Jew rules a hollywood studio - you get tonnes of films educating the world on jewish culture and history. Spyros Panagiotis Skouras, a Greek - born in Greece - who came to the US when he was 10 - is the president of 20th Century Fox studios from 1942 to 1962 and chairman of 20th Century Fox after. He produces some of the biggest Hollywood films ever made while president of Fox - he invented the blockbuster movie - Don't Bother to Knock, The Seven Year Itch, The Hustler, The King and I, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, Cleopatra and The Robe...  discovered Marilyn Monroe etc.. Guess how many films he produced that even mentioned anything Greek? 0. Why should an American respect a person who does not even respect their own culture? Now the Serbs.. ok - they have more cause for grief.. but the Greeks.. they don't respect themselves.. that is why no one else does.

[Covenant]

This isn't about football, but my honeymoon it's gonna be in Santorini! 💪

[T1n0_SLB]

It looks like AEK has given up the league.
It will be PAOK vs Olympiacos.

[Faliro]

This isn't about football, but my honeymoon it's gonna be in Santorini! 💪

Absolutely beautiful place. Try and get a cave room.

[Faliro]

It looks like AEK has given up the league.
It will be PAOK vs Olympiacos.

AEK imploded. Sold its best players, replaced them with garbage to save money. Lost their very clever Andalusian coach who won the league for them and replaced him with a half price guy named after a Greek aperitif. They basically lost the league in the summer. Had the chance to build on their league win and chose the opposite. They deserve their disaster of a season.

As for Olympiacos and PAOK. PAOK seem unstoppable. They don't put any effort into their european games and lose easily there - everything for them is about winning the league. We are only 6 points behind but each game we play is desperate and PAOK seem to cruise many of their games..

Panathinaikos still doing exceptionally well with another big score - won 5-1 on the weekend. Hopefully PAO, PAOK, OSFP, AEK and Aris all make it into european places. Problem is - Atromitos will likely remove one of the above as their coach and players are excellent. We were lucky to beat them.

[T1n0_SLB]

If i haven't been following tge GSL for a long time and considering how Olympiacos has been wining games at the last minute i'd say PAOK has the league in their hands, but i know they can blow everything and Olympiacos is capable of catching them.

[Faliro]

If i haven't been following tge GSL for a long time and considering how Olympiacos has been wining games at the last minute i'd say PAOK has the league in their hands, but i know they can blow everything and Olympiacos is capable of catching them.

We need them to start drawing or losing games. They are breezing through games currently.

[Faliro]

AEK have just permanently expelled Simoes, Lambropoulos and Bakasetas from the team the night before the Ajax game because they were delaying renewing their contracts. 

[Covenant]

AEK have just permanently expelled Simoes, Lambropoulos and Bakasetas from the team the night before the Ajax game because they were delaying renewing their contracts. 

Greece... What else?

[Festivus]

Actually what I am saying I think I am like 75 kilos..

I also weight about 75 kilos atm. I am 1,83m though. So I am a bit thin. But I've mostly been between 60 and 67 kilos since 15. I'm currently at my "fattest" ever lol

[Faliro]

Actually what I am saying I think I am like 75 kilos..

I also weight about 75 kilos atm. I am 1,83m though. So I am a bit thin. But I've mostly been between 60 and 67 kilos since 15. I'm currently at my "fattest" ever lol

Perhaps you are a little thin for your height.

I used to be around 60kg for ages when I was younger. I have been going to the gym the last few weeks so actually weighed myself. I am 80kg on the dot. Height 179 cms. Easily the fattest I have been even though I am actually a slim guy..

[Josef Vierine]

Faliro, how do you and Greeks in general feel about USA? I notice USA has done some intervention in Greece in the 20th century. How do Greeks feel about that in general?

Well there are millions of American Greeks. They of course love America.

Then you have Greeks from Greece.. About half of those are leftists.. They despise America. They believe (perhaps correctly) that the USA supported the Greek Junta. They hate capitalism/commercialisation and see the US as the spearhead of this.  The other half.. the capitalist Greeks don't mind the US and let US culture envelope them - perhaps more so than any European nation besides the UK.

Personally I like America. I like people who love their country. When I visited the US - people were good to me. I like what the US stands for. Would like to see Greece have a leader like Trump/Bolsonaro - just to see the left explode.

Enjoy a typical Greek advert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispFPEY3n4Q

I guess Greece is lucky not to stand in the way of American geopolitical interests right now. Ask Serbs about the USA as a no.1 invader, self-proclaimed world policeman and no.1 war-mongerer, supposedly on a war against terrorism at home but supporting it elsewhere and turning countries into piles of dust.

Well the US and UK decided half of Cyprus would be Turkish and it happened. The US decided ancient Serbian lands would also be Sunni owned and it was done.. What do the Greeks and Serbs do? The Greeks elect a communist called Tsipras who goes to Turkey to get honorary degrees from meaningless Turkish universities and builds a mega mosque in downtown Athens. The former 'conservative' New Democracy foreign minister states Islam is a beautiful religion for women especially..    The Serbian minister sings Turkish songs to Erdogan in what can only be seen as an attempt to seduce him.. Greek mainstream TV has wall to wall Sunni Turkish soap operas - in Turkish! Why should the US support Greece or Serbia when the people's themselves elect Ottoman appeasers and clearly don't respect their own ancient cultures? Every time a Jew rules a hollywood studio - you get tonnes of films educating the world on jewish culture and history. Spyros Panagiotis Skouras, a Greek - born in Greece - who came to the US when he was 10 - is the president of 20th Century Fox studios from 1942 to 1962 and chairman of 20th Century Fox after. He produces some of the biggest Hollywood films ever made while president of Fox - he invented the blockbuster movie - Don't Bother to Knock, The Seven Year Itch, The Hustler, The King and I, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, Cleopatra and The Robe...  discovered Marilyn Monroe etc.. Guess how many films he produced that even mentioned anything Greek? 0. Why should an American respect a person who does not even respect their own culture? Now the Serbs.. ok - they have more cause for grief.. but the Greeks.. they don't respect themselves.. that is why no one else does.

That is great information about modern Greece.   

You call Tsipras a communist? In here we didn't have any more that perception, well, maybe perhaps durante Varoufakis period, but not now. Perhaps more as an social-democrat aligned with the EU.
And that subservience to Turkey? You had more than 300 years of Otoman dominance. I had always wandered - and I do not want to offend- that more than 300 years of Ottoman domination in Greece didn't have a effect in the greek culture?
I think that most of the Europeans still had in mind the romantic perception of the ancient Greek, the resplendent Pericles' Athens, the Spartan imaginary or the Alexander the Great tales and didn't know almost nothing of the modern Greece.

Greece where only talked when had that problem with the bailout, and the image was not quite good. Some portuguese journalists called you lazy while others only stressed the violence in the street.
I know a little bit of ancient greek (quite difficult tongue) and quite well (or maybe no that well) the history of Ancient Greece, but I am (and I think we Europeans) are completely ignorant about Modern Greece and his contemporaries problems.

[Faliro]

Faliro, how do you and Greeks in general feel about USA? I notice USA has done some intervention in Greece in the 20th century. How do Greeks feel about that in general?

Well there are millions of American Greeks. They of course love America.

Then you have Greeks from Greece.. About half of those are leftists.. They despise America. They believe (perhaps correctly) that the USA supported the Greek Junta. They hate capitalism/commercialisation and see the US as the spearhead of this.  The other half.. the capitalist Greeks don't mind the US and let US culture envelope them - perhaps more so than any European nation besides the UK.

Personally I like America. I like people who love their country. When I visited the US - people were good to me. I like what the US stands for. Would like to see Greece have a leader like Trump/Bolsonaro - just to see the left explode.

Enjoy a typical Greek advert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ispFPEY3n4Q

I guess Greece is lucky not to stand in the way of American geopolitical interests right now. Ask Serbs about the USA as a no.1 invader, self-proclaimed world policeman and no.1 war-mongerer, supposedly on a war against terrorism at home but supporting it elsewhere and turning countries into piles of dust.

Well the US and UK decided half of Cyprus would be Turkish and it happened. The US decided ancient Serbian lands would also be Sunni owned and it was done.. What do the Greeks and Serbs do? The Greeks elect a communist called Tsipras who goes to Turkey to get honorary degrees from meaningless Turkish universities and builds a mega mosque in downtown Athens. The former 'conservative' New Democracy foreign minister states Islam is a beautiful religion for women especially..    The Serbian minister sings Turkish songs to Erdogan in what can only be seen as an attempt to seduce him.. Greek mainstream TV has wall to wall Sunni Turkish soap operas - in Turkish! Why should the US support Greece or Serbia when the people's themselves elect Ottoman appeasers and clearly don't respect their own ancient cultures? Every time a Jew rules a hollywood studio - you get tonnes of films educating the world on jewish culture and history. Spyros Panagiotis Skouras, a Greek - born in Greece - who came to the US when he was 10 - is the president of 20th Century Fox studios from 1942 to 1962 and chairman of 20th Century Fox after. He produces some of the biggest Hollywood films ever made while president of Fox - he invented the blockbuster movie - Don't Bother to Knock, The Seven Year Itch, The Hustler, The King and I, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, Cleopatra and The Robe...  discovered Marilyn Monroe etc.. Guess how many films he produced that even mentioned anything Greek? 0. Why should an American respect a person who does not even respect their own culture? Now the Serbs.. ok - they have more cause for grief.. but the Greeks.. they don't respect themselves.. that is why no one else does.

That is great information about modern Greece.   

You call Tsipras a communist? In here we didn't have any more that perception, well, maybe perhaps durante Varoufakis period, but not now. Perhaps more as an social-democrat aligned with the EU.
And that subservience to Turkey? You had more than 300 years of Otoman dominance. I had always wandered - and I do not want to offend- that more than 300 years of Ottoman domination in Greece didn't have a effect in the greek culture?
I think that most of the Europeans still had in mind the romantic perception of the ancient Greek, the resplendent Pericles' Athens, the Spartan imaginary or the Alexander the Great tales and didn't know almost nothing of the modern Greece.

Greece where only talked when had that problem with the bailout, and the image was not quite good. Some portuguese journalists called you lazy while others only stressed the violence in the street.
I know a little bit of ancient greek (quite difficult tongue) and quite well (or maybe no that well) the history of Ancient Greece, but I am (and I think we Europeans) are completely ignorant about Modern Greece and his contemporaries problems.

This is a very interesting post, so I will answer each point.

Tsipras is a communist, but communist is a general term. Specifically Tsipras is a progressive Trotskyist like most northern Greeks with dubious heritage. I believe parts of his family 100 years ago were actually Albanian. Now Trotskyists make up most of his party - Syriza. How I classify them is an international communists. For example - you have isolationist communists - like the former Albanian state, North Korea, Cuba etc. Then you have international communists - like the PT party that ruled Brazil for so many years. Like Tsipras, Dilma was basically an anti police, crypto-anarchist terrorist in her youth. Tsipras -  there was even a picture of him rioting against the police as a youth.  As they matured (they are both from wealthy parents) - they evolved into Trotskyists. Dilma and Lula made the Brazilian taxpayer fund African, Venezuelan and Cuban infrastructure for years as per their internationalist ethos. Tsipras believes the very idea of national borders is 'silly' and his first act as Greek PM was to lay flowers at the graves of Greek communists killed in the Greek Civil War. Tsipras like Dilma believes nationhood and patriotism are fascist ideals. Varoufakis is very similar too. Multi millionaire parents and a Trotskyist internationalist outlook.

Now to the second point. Ottoman subservience. Ottoman subservience is only partaken in Greece by leftists, liberals and generally speaking - those of convoluted and fractured balkan ancestry who became Greeks rather than being descended from Greeks during the Greek territorial expansions in the 20th century. The right, royalists, most of the Peloponnese and Crete and many of the capitalist Greeks despise Turkey and their culture. The media in Greece - in its totality is left wing. Every single channel. There is no such thing as a American FOX type of channel in Greece. So the Greek media feed pro Turkish programmes 24/7. They try and push Greece towards the east even though Greeks are exceptionally Christian and genetically - exceptionally homogeneous to their region with very little in common with Turks. That is why whenever they dig up ancient Greek bones and test the DNA - the closest living relatives to these ancient bones are usually the people down the road from where the bones were found. It is the same in Italy. When you look a Turkish DNA - it is like a cloud atlas rainbow. Far eastern, middle eastern, Armenian, Greek - bits of slav - central asian. They are a cocktail that reflects their journey across Eurasia from China and they look it and act like it. Turks were eternal nomads - living in tents, drinking horses milk - many still do in the countryside there. Many of Anatolia's traditional food industries (olives, figs, fishing - where and what to fish) died when the Greeks were expelled in the 1920s. Turks even invited Greeks back in the 1930s to tend to the olive groves and agriculture because the Turks had never worked the land since they arrived in Anatolia. Greeks under the Ottomans were the farmers, fisherman, bandits and business people since the Ottomans arrived. The Ottomans were more concerned with Allah, the Sultan and the military. Only the Ottoman high classes lived it up and they were exceptionally few. Turkey still looks to expand. That is why they control large chunks of Syria now. They are a people of conquest. You can't turn that off.

The Greeks are descendants of the ancient Greeks genetically, linguistically and culturally. The Byzantines damaged and preserved that legacy. They damaged the continuity by force-feeding Christianity to Greeks - which is a type of communism - and persecuting all Greeks who still follwoed the ancient Olympian religion. Greeks became 'Christians' first and Greeks second or at least that is what the Byzantine rulers wanted. There were Byzantine thinkers who tried to return the Greek peoples to the Olympian religion, most markedly Gemistus Pletho. The Byzantine legacy is the strong Christian and anti paganism that still runs through Greece - although many Greeks are now returning to the Olympian religion - despite the Greek Government not allowing it to have official status.

When the Ottomans took over - instead of wiping Greeks off the face of the earth like they did with other peoples they conquered - they offered the Greeks they did not sell into slavery a stark choice. Convert to Islam and pay virtually no tax - or stay Greek - be heavily taxed - could have your children stolen for the Devshirme and expect massacres and persecution. Many many Greeks including the upper Byzantine classes picked the first option. Behind many Turkish Asiatic eyes.. there lies many a Greek who converted to Islam and became Turkish as a result and is now lost in the Turkish soup. Now the few Greeks that did not convert to Islam, that is what is left of the ancient Greeks and they now make up modern Greece - and indeed that is romantic - that Greeks even exist today.. Ottoman times were desperate for Greeks. However, most refused to learn Turkish, they kept their traditions, their bloodlines, were often massacred - but enough survived to tell the story. Luckily the Turks also left certain regions of Greece under self rule so many areas of Greece never even had to meet a turk. The region my ancestors came from - despite experiencing a nasty massacre from the Turks in the 1700 - were allowed to live with very little Turkish interference under the ottoman Empire and even had free trade deals with Constantinople which made a fair few in the region very rich. Modern Greek communists despise this idea of Greeks surviving the Ottomans or even surviving the unsuccessful slavic invasions during the central point of the Byzantine Empire. Greek communists tend to believe in one global nation. That is why they all love the EU. Any Greek proud of their ancient heritage is seen as a 'fascist' and laughed at. Ancestor worship is laughed at by Greek communists. During the Greek civil war - the Greek communists wished to join Greece to the Soviet Union and dissolve any links anyone had with their pasts! 

Now your final part. Greece is correctly mocked by other Europeans because Greeks themselves do not promote, protect or enhance their own culture enough and Europeans cannot be blamed for going for the weakness. Greeks have never been loved by most Europeans. Most Europeans could never figure Greeks out. Are they ancient Greeks? Are they a completely modern people who have no connection to their pasts (and just happen to speak Greek) as some now debunked pseudo victorian anthropologists such as Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer insidiously claimed?

The sad truth? The Greeks did not kill the communists after the civil war or even expel them. They were allowed to return home and breed and now their grandchildren rule the country. To make matters worse - the capitalists - the royalist Greeks - the highly educated.. they fled Greece the last 100 years for greener pastures and now live in Canada, US, Aus, France, Germany, Brazil etc causing terminal brain drain to Greece. If the communists had won the civil war - they would have massacred their opponents. They were massacring Greeks during the actual civil war - what they would have done afterwards had they won is not worth contemplating. The communists went home after the civil war. Their children all became teachers, govt funded workers. Now they rule. Why do you think Greeks are the only Europeans allowed to riot at a football game - fight for hours, burn and attack others - and yet no one is arrested? It is because the Greek police are seen as fascists since the Junta and not one of them is allowed to arrest anyone! Rioting by the Greek left is seen as an expression against capitalism. Even the Greek Govt communist sports minister stated hooligans are violent in Greece because of a broken capitalist society as opposed to them being actual criminals - he states they are victims. That is why anarchists rule central athens - police can't even patrol in Exarcheia! 

Greeks survived the Persians, the Romans, the Slavs, the crusaders, the Franks, the Ottomans...the Nazis, however perhaps the nemesis of the Greeks will be pseudo communism. Greeks could survive anything - however they have struggled to survive a parasitical Trotskyist doctrine where one Greek states to another Greek that Greeks actually don't exist in the first place.. That could be the fatal blow to a people that are so essential to the history of the West but then again - was Hellas ever just a beautiful memory that can never die? Even if I am the last one who believes in Hellas - I make it real..