Olympiacos Piraeus

[Bryan.]

So you want him to win the Europa League, doing what no greek club ever did, when greek football is at the lowest point of it's history?

We was in a group with Bayern and Arsenal and almost got through. He dignified the club and greek football.

Demanding him to do more than that is hypocritical.

European competition for a club like Olympiacos is circunstantial. Rui Vitória going through to the CL QF doesn't make him a good manager. He wouldn't do it without the draw he got.

I never mentioned winning, which goes to show how you're lacking solid arguments. What he did in CL was normal, but then why laud him as spectacular?

This fantastic season everyone here is praising seems a lot like every other Olympiacos season, maybe a longer unbeaten run then normal, but far from something that sets him apart from the previous managers.

The big test is Europe, and if Olympiacos gets eliminated this round I can't see how could anyone say he passed it.

Praise him for what he did with Estoril, that was really interesting, but winning the title with Olympiacos? Not that impressive.

So what do you want? Going one round further or one round shorter is a matter of details.
Anderlecht is a side as strong if not stronger than Olympiacos. He could beat them, I'm not sure he should. And I'm not sure he won't.

What I'm sure is that he shouldn't be judged by it.

He seems to be doing better internally, but of course he can only win league and cup. There's nothing else.
What could he have done more? What could we realistically expect from a world class manager with a sample of a single season in Olympiacos?

If you are going to judge it by hard facts only, yeah it's only average. It's what happens every year. You would put Guardiola in Olympiacos and he would probably also do average. It's not an assessment that accomplishes anything.

[Cloughie]

He won at Arsenal. First win in England for Olympiakos, i believe. That's not "normal".

[lost_paradise]

So you want him to win the Europa League, doing what no greek club ever did, when greek football is at the lowest point of it's history?

We was in a group with Bayern and Arsenal and almost got through. He dignified the club and greek football.

Demanding him to do more than that is hypocritical.

European competition for a club like Olympiacos is circunstantial. Rui Vitória going through to the CL QF doesn't make him a good manager. He wouldn't do it without the draw he got.

I never mentioned winning, which goes to show how you're lacking solid arguments. What he did in CL was normal, but then why laud him as spectacular?

This fantastic season everyone here is praising seems a lot like every other Olympiacos season, maybe a longer unbeaten run then normal, but far from something that sets him apart from the previous managers.

The big test is Europe, and if Olympiacos gets eliminated this round I can't see how could anyone say he passed it.

Praise him for what he did with Estoril, that was really interesting, but winning the title with Olympiacos? Not that impressive.

It sets him apart. He broke the record for the greek league with 17 straight wins. That`s an Olympiacos and Greek championship record. A historical one.

In champions league he was able to get 9 points in a group with Bayern Munique, one of two best teams of the world. As far as europe league, let`s see what happens in this round.

His Olympiacos tenure so far is not extraordinary but a very good one and with good football to go along with results.

Really can't see the hype with Maco Silva's work, if he fails in Europe Olympiacos seems set for another average year by their standards.

You`re the one who spoke the word "average" year by their standards. There`s a world of diference between average and spectacular.

[Bryan.]

Again drawing the comparison with us, Rui Vitória is likely to match, in his first year, the best european performance ever from Jorge Jesus.

Benfica shouldn't realistically expect to get more than Champions League Quarter-Finals in the next decade.

Does this mean that Rui Vitória is the best manager we can get?
Does this mean that if we sign Mourinho next and he's eliminated against Barcelona in Champions League R16, Rui Vitória could've done better?

Judging managers by european results is tricky. Bayern seems to think that Guardiola is failing, it says it all really.

[Festivus]

Leonardo Jardim was already on his way to breaking that record. But he was sacked mid-season/near its end. He was winning game after game, but as Faliro has said multipel times, his football was boring and didn't excite the fans.

Anyway, there's still the 2nd leg. Let's see if Olympiacos are able to turn this one around.

[Cloughie]

Being champ in February is epic.

[lost_paradise]

Leonardo Jardim was already on his way to breaking that record. But he was sacked mid-season/near its end. He was winning game after game, but as Faliro has said multipel times, his football was boring and didn't excite the fans.

Anyway, there's still the 2nd leg. Let's see if Olympiacos are able to turn this one around.

He left the team in january with 3 draws in the championship. He was not on his way of breaking the record.

The record is for consecutive wins and not consecutive games without losing.

In the champions league, he achieved the same third place with 9 points, and coincidentally also with Arsenal finishing second place. But the difference is that the first place was not Bayern Munich but Schalke 04. Huge difference.

[Saveloy]

I'd agree it's hard to make a big impact at Olympiacos, since it's either European success (which doesn't mean winning a cup) or bust. Thing here is that there is probably a wide range of managers who could achieve similar results, maybe Guardiola wouldn't do much more than Marco Silva, but I'm confident there a lot of weak managers who wouldn't do much less either.

To me records and being champion in February other than March or April are closer to "details" than the round you are out of Europe. The performance in the group stage was a Jorge Jesus kind of accomplishment, pretty good if you aren't result-oriented, but ultimately they were third in a group where you'd expect them to be third.

[Festivus]

The thing is, Olympiacos barely have any competition nowadays. Greek football hasn't exactly been doing well lately.

Let's see if AEK rebuild and if Panathinaikos and PAOK up their game.

[mramalhadas]

Marco Silva is an awesome coach and good person.

Good luck Olympiakos!

[Festivus]

Back in Summer 2015, I'd have gone for Marco Silva instead of Rui Vitória, but it seems that this forum overrated Marco a bit. I've even seen people label him as a "rising Mourinho" before.

[lost_paradise]

I'd agree it's hard to make a big impact at Olympiacos, since it's either European success (which doesn't mean winning a cup) or bust. Thing here is that there is probably a wide range of managers who could achieve similar results, maybe Guardiola wouldn't do much more than Marco Silva, but I'm confident there a lot of weak managers who wouldn't do much less either.

To me records and being champion in February other than March or April are closer to "details" than the round you are out of Europe. The performance in the group stage was a Jorge Jesus kind of accomplishment, pretty good if you aren't result-oriented, but ultimately they were third in a group where you'd expect them to be third.

regarding the typical 3rd finishing place in Jesus era, he had a mutch more talent squad at Benfica to finish at least second place most of the years, considering the teams that went through like Lyon, Celtic, Olympiacos and Leverkusen / Monaco.

You`re right about Olympiacos this year 3rd place in the group stage being the expected one. The thing is he was able to get 9 points out of 12, with one win in at Arsenal stadium.

This Bayern team is only comparable to the Barcelona, Jesus got to face in the 12-13 season. It would be an extraordinary acomplishment to get even one point with this Olympiacos squad against this Bayern Munich.

So agreeing that 3rd place in this champions league was the natural one for Olympiacos, I would say that a tie with Arsenal at home would`ve make this a very good campaign. As it went, it was a good one.

[Faliro]

We must also remember Michel did very well in Europe also with Olympiacos. What impresses me about Marco is how he has managed to get the best of nothing players like Seba.

Next season AEK will be built for Europe so the league will be far more competitive. PAO are already panicking and throwing money at South American players and we may have Apollon and AEL back in the league if they finish one and two in the championship. PAOK will also open up the war chest as they like PAO have been completely humiliated this season and even their own fans are embarrassed.

[KamikazeSLB]

We must also remember Michel did very well in Europe also with Olympiacos. What impresses me about Marco is how he has managed to get the best of nothing players like Seba.

Next season AEK will be built for Europe so the league will be far more competitive. PAO are already panicking and throwing money at South American players and we may have Apollon and AEL back in the league if they finish one and two in the championship. PAOK will also open up the war chest as they like PAO have been completely humiliated this season and even their own fans are embarrassed.

Very typical in portuguese coaches.

[Festivus]

We must also remember Michel did very well in Europe also with Olympiacos. What impresses me about Marco is how he has managed to get the best of nothing players like Seba.

Next season AEK will be built for Europe so the league will be far more competitive. PAO are already panicking and throwing money at South American players and we may have Apollon and AEL back in the league if they finish one and two in the championship. PAOK will also open up the war chest as they like PAO have been completely humiliated this season and even their own fans are embarrassed.

How are Pana doing at basketball? And I ask the same for Olympiacos ofc.