Portuguese culture

Celticfan

Citação de: PedroBenfica em 15 de Julho de 2022, 17:07
Citação de: Celticfan em 15 de Julho de 2022, 17:04
Citação de: humbug_1904 em 15 de Julho de 2022, 16:52
Citação de: Celticfan em 15 de Julho de 2022, 16:32
What are the differences between Spanish and Portuguese? Is it the way you say different things like in US vs UK English? There's some things Americans say, call or spell things that would stump a Brit and vice versa (although that gap is closing due to globalisation and Hollywood). Canada is like a weird hybrid, mostly speaks UK English but has some weirds quirks due to be so close to the US.

Or is it like similarities between English and French?
No, it's much more different than US vs UK. They speak way more quicker than us but we have a "closed" way of speaking, and grammarly it has a lot of differences aswell as of course the vocabulary that changes a lot. They have a harder time understanding us than we do understanding them.

I think it would make sense for it to be similar to the differences between English and French because they come from the same background and Spanish and Portugal do aswell (from Latin) but I think the proximity between the two countries made it so that our languages are more similar than English and French. And it's also interesenting to see that Spain has different "languages" in each autonomous region. For example we can't understand catalunian or what they speak in the basque country but we can comunicate in galician very well, way better than normal spanish.

That's interesting. From what I understand the Gaelic languages in Scotland, Ireland and Wales are pretty similar to Latin and French. Irish and Welsh in most regions are still well spoken in those countries but Gaelic and Scots not so much bar a few pockets in the highlands and islands due to the highland clearances etc. They are trying to reintroduce Gaelic in Scotland with road signs etc.

"Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrob-wllllantysiliogogogoch" is the best word in the world

I'd be completely lost if all they spoke was Gaelic, Welsh or Irish.  ;D

In the Scottish central belt a lot of people speak Scots instead of Gaelic. There's kind of debate over whether Scots is a language or a dialect. Some view it as slang.

Festivus

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Citação de: Celticfan em 15 de Julho de 2022, 16:32
What are the differences between Spanish and Portuguese? Is it the way you say different things like in US vs UK English? There's some things Americans say, call or spell things that would stump a Brit and vice versa (although that gap is closing due to globalisation and Hollywood). Canada is like a weird hybrid, mostly speaks UK English but has some weirds quirks due to be so close to the US.

Or is it like similarities between English and French?



Portuguese and Spanish are two different languages, unlike British English and American English which are two groups of various different dialects of the same language...

Jotenko

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Citação de: Celticfan em 15 de Julho de 2022, 16:28
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Citação de: humbug_1904 em 14 de Julho de 2022, 18:42
Citação de: Celticfan em 14 de Julho de 2022, 18:39
Random question. When you watch US/British TV shows like Better Call Saul, Stranger things etc do most people in Portugal watch in English or with subtitles/Portuguese dubbing? Same with big US/British music acts/bands.

This is probably a question for all non English speaking European countries to be honest. Are those shows more popular than Portuguese tv shows or is the preference for things from your own country?

In the US you'll usually have some Mexican radio stations or tv channels with Spanish content but there is nothing really like that in the UK other than some niche content for Gaelic, Welsh, Irish languages.
Foreign shows like those are more popular 100% and we watch them either with portuguese subtitles ou no subtitles at all.

We only dub cartoons for kids.

Would you say that helps with learning to speak English or is there just a broad focus on learning it? How many people in Portugal can speak it comfortably? I've heard some people say they learned French or Spanish from watching tv shows.

I think Americans and Brits get super lazy trying to learn other languages as there is almost an assumption people speak English (probably why so many are hated in Europe). I learned some French in school but you lose it pretty quickly without practicing or living there. I've tried learning a bit of Spanish but the problem is when you go to places like Mexico that people want to practice or work on their English with you.

I would like to live in somewhere like Mexico for 6 months and force myself to learn Spanish to get by etc. Probably the only way I would get enough practice or get me out of my comfort zone.

Helps a lot.

Also its crazy for us to think some people grow up watching shows like, per example, the Simpsons, without the original voices.

Spanish and French are usually pretty horrible at speaking English. Almost embarassing.

I generally find that French people are more willing to speak English if you make an effort to try and speak French, in the cities at least. I can read French pretty well and can understand someone if they speak it slowly. Too nervous to try speaking it outside of a few sentences. In Germany and Belgium I found that if someone knew you spoke English they would switch right away.

In Mexico, my wife knows some Spanish and as soon as they thought you spoke it, would hit you with it at 100 miles an hour.  ;D

Last time I landed in Lyon, they would not speak English in the train ticket booth, INSIDE THE AIRPORT. When I spoke with them in English, they didn't understand. In a fucking international airport!

Gladly I know a bit of French so I managed my way around the situation.

A bunch of arrogant cock suckers that cant accept that no one gives a crap about speaking the wuss sounding French language around the world.

Festivus

Citação de: Jotenko em 16 de Julho de 2022, 02:11
Citação de: Celticfan em 15 de Julho de 2022, 16:28
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Citação de: Celticfan em 14 de Julho de 2022, 18:57
Citação de: humbug_1904 em 14 de Julho de 2022, 18:42
Citação de: Celticfan em 14 de Julho de 2022, 18:39
Random question. When you watch US/British TV shows like Better Call Saul, Stranger things etc do most people in Portugal watch in English or with subtitles/Portuguese dubbing? Same with big US/British music acts/bands.

This is probably a question for all non English speaking European countries to be honest. Are those shows more popular than Portuguese tv shows or is the preference for things from your own country?

In the US you'll usually have some Mexican radio stations or tv channels with Spanish content but there is nothing really like that in the UK other than some niche content for Gaelic, Welsh, Irish languages.
Foreign shows like those are more popular 100% and we watch them either with portuguese subtitles ou no subtitles at all.

We only dub cartoons for kids.

Would you say that helps with learning to speak English or is there just a broad focus on learning it? How many people in Portugal can speak it comfortably? I've heard some people say they learned French or Spanish from watching tv shows.

I think Americans and Brits get super lazy trying to learn other languages as there is almost an assumption people speak English (probably why so many are hated in Europe). I learned some French in school but you lose it pretty quickly without practicing or living there. I've tried learning a bit of Spanish but the problem is when you go to places like Mexico that people want to practice or work on their English with you.

I would like to live in somewhere like Mexico for 6 months and force myself to learn Spanish to get by etc. Probably the only way I would get enough practice or get me out of my comfort zone.

Helps a lot.

Also its crazy for us to think some people grow up watching shows like, per example, the Simpsons, without the original voices.

Spanish and French are usually pretty horrible at speaking English. Almost embarassing.

I generally find that French people are more willing to speak English if you make an effort to try and speak French, in the cities at least. I can read French pretty well and can understand someone if they speak it slowly. Too nervous to try speaking it outside of a few sentences. In Germany and Belgium I found that if someone knew you spoke English they would switch right away.

In Mexico, my wife knows some Spanish and as soon as they thought you spoke it, would hit you with it at 100 miles an hour.  ;D

Last time I landed in Lyon, they would not speak English in the train ticket booth, INSIDE THE AIRPORT. When I spoke with them in English, they didn't understand. In a fucking international airport!

Gladly I know a bit of French so I managed my way around the situation.

A bunch of arrogant cock suckers that cant accept that no one gives a crap about speaking the wuss sounding French language around the world.
That's the annoying part of going to Spain, France or Italy. Barely anyone speaks English in those countries, which makes communication always a bit awkward.

Alento

Citação de: Celticfan em 14 de Julho de 2022, 18:39
Random question. When

This is probably a question for all non

In the US you'll
What are the differences between Spanish and Portuguese? Is it the way you say different things like in US vs UK English? There's some things Americans say, call or spell things that would stump a Brit and vice versa (although that gap is closing due to globalisation and Hollywood). Canada is like a weird hybrid, mostly speaks UK English but has some weirds quirks due to be so close to the US.

Or is it like similarities between English and French?



That is True for the Portuguese from Brasil vs Portuguese from Portugal.  Or Portuguese from any other ex  colonie.

Celticfan

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Out of curiousity, how many people on this board speak English % wise. Just want to make sure i'm not pissing people off? Most people seem chill with it but i'm not sure the best approach to take.

Festivus

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Citação de: Celticfan em 15 de Setembro de 2022, 17:05
Out of curiousity, how many people on this board speak English % wise. Just want to make sure i'm not pissing people off? Most people seem chill with it but i'm not sure the best approach to take.
Hard to say. This forum is pretty big. And a ton of users have been leaving since 2018 or so. It used to have three times the activity it has now up until 2018 or so.

If i had to talk about the country as a whole, Portugal has a rather alright English proficiency level, I'd say. Probably because we're mostly a sub country. Live action movies are all in English here as are the overwhelming majority of games. The only games I've played in Portuguese were the Championship Manager/Football Manager series.

Hell, I still remember when children's cartoons were not dubbed. My brother's generation grew up watching the Ninja Turtles and the Tiny Toon Adventures in English. And Captain Tsubasa in Japanese.

It wasn't until The Lion King and DBZ that the Portuguese audience became more accepting of dubs.

It horrifies me how in German speaking countries, Italy, Spain and France they dub everything including live action TV shows and movies.

Zarathustra

Citação de: Celticfan em 15 de Setembro de 2022, 17:05
Out of curiousity, how many people on this board speak English % wise. Just want to make sure i'm not pissing people off? Most people seem chill with it but i'm not sure the best approach to take.
Personally, I see no issue at all, old chap. I find the demand to have you speak a different language or native speakers to exclusively communicate in Portuguese, to be rather daft and perhaps rooted in a thinly veiled nationalistic mindset of sorts.

I'd guess most people on this forum would be able to chat in English and therefore many would not be troubled by having you comment in your own language. Truth be told, having you translate your discourse through Google Translator is bound to provide a good set of laughs periodically, but I would be fine with either approach.

Honestly, if the mods are okay with that and do not frown at having a purely English-speaking user, I'd tell you to fret not with it too. Enjoy your stay!

josel

Citação de: Zarathustra em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 15:21
Citação de: Celticfan em 15 de Setembro de 2022, 17:05
Out of curiousity, how many people on this board speak English % wise. Just want to make sure i'm not pissing people off? Most people seem chill with it but i'm not sure the best approach to take.
Personally, I see no issue at all, old chap. I find the demand to have you speak a different language or native speakers to exclusively communicate in Portuguese, to be rather daft and perhaps rooted in a thinly veiled nationalistic mindset of sorts.

I'd guess most people on this forum would be able to chat in English and therefore many would not be troubled by having you comment in your own language. Truth be told, having you translate your discourse through Google Translator is bound to provide a good set of laughs periodically, but I would be fine with either approach.

Honestly, if the mods are okay with that and do not frown at having a purely English-speaking user, I'd tell you to fret not with it too. Enjoy your stay!
If he uses english, I don't really think anyone would be angry. A bit pissed perhaps because not everyone has a good enough english proficiency to understand, or to get his/hers point across when writing in english.

About online translators, deepL is amazing. Even with very specific technical terms.

Enviado do meu Redmi 8 através do Tapatalk


Espártaco

Citação de: Celticfan em 15 de Setembro de 2022, 17:05
Out of curiousity, how many people on this board speak English % wise. Just want to make sure i'm not pissing people off? Most people seem chill with it but i'm not sure the best approach to take.

I don't know about the %, but don't be worried about that.

Here at the board there is always someone against something.  ;D

Festivus

Citação de: Espártaco em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 15:33
Citação de: Celticfan em 15 de Setembro de 2022, 17:05
Out of curiousity, how many people on this board speak English % wise. Just want to make sure i'm not pissing people off? Most people seem chill with it but i'm not sure the best approach to take.

I don't know about the %, but don't be worried about that.

Here at the board there is always someone against something.  ;D
With a name like CelticFan I don't think anyone would expect him to speak Portuguese.

Celticfan

Citação de: Festivus em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 18:35
Citação de: Espártaco em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 15:33
Citação de: Celticfan em 15 de Setembro de 2022, 17:05
Out of curiousity, how many people on this board speak English % wise. Just want to make sure i'm not pissing people off? Most people seem chill with it but i'm not sure the best approach to take.


I don't know about the %, but don't be worried about that.

Here at the board there is always someone against something.  ;D
With a name like CelticFan I don't think anyone would expect him to speak Portuguese.

How would you say Benfica fan or supporter in Portuguese?

Sexta-Feira

Citação de: Celticfan em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 19:36
Citação de: Festivus em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 18:35
Citação de: Espártaco em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 15:33
Citação de: Celticfan em 15 de Setembro de 2022, 17:05
Out of curiousity, how many people on this board speak English % wise. Just want to make sure i'm not pissing people off? Most people seem chill with it but i'm not sure the best approach to take.


I don't know about the %, but don't be worried about that.

Here at the board there is always someone against something.  ;D
With a name like CelticFan I don't think anyone would expect him to speak Portuguese.

How would you say Benfica fan or supporter in Portuguese?

Adepto  do Benfica

Benfiquista

Celticfan

Citação de: Sexta-Feira em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 19:37
Citação de: Celticfan em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 19:36
Citação de: Festivus em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 18:35
Citação de: Espártaco em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 15:33
Citação de: Celticfan em 15 de Setembro de 2022, 17:05
Out of curiousity, how many people on this board speak English % wise. Just want to make sure i'm not pissing people off? Most people seem chill with it but i'm not sure the best approach to take.


I don't know about the %, but don't be worried about that.

Here at the board there is always someone against something.  ;D
With a name like CelticFan I don't think anyone would expect him to speak Portuguese.

How would you say Benfica fan or supporter in Portuguese?

Adepto  do Benfica

Benfiquista

What would be the Celtic equivalent- Celticquista?

Sexta-Feira

Citação de: Celticfan em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 19:41
Citação de: Sexta-Feira em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 19:37
Citação de: Celticfan em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 19:36
Citação de: Festivus em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 18:35
Citação de: Espártaco em 16 de Setembro de 2022, 15:33
Citação de: Celticfan em 15 de Setembro de 2022, 17:05
Out of curiousity, how many people on this board speak English % wise. Just want to make sure i'm not pissing people off? Most people seem chill with it but i'm not sure the best approach to take.


I don't know about the %, but don't be worried about that.

Here at the board there is always someone against something.  ;D
With a name like CelticFan I don't think anyone would expect him to speak Portuguese.

How would you say Benfica fan or supporter in Portuguese?

Adepto  do Benfica

Benfiquista

What would be the Celtic equivalent- Celticquista?

Celtista

Or

Celta